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is actually working. Hey everyone.
Welcome back to the podcast. Today, I wanted to share a
conversation that I had last week.
This is one with With Mike Adams phenomenal instructor he's, you
know, perennial in the top ten top five on The Golf Magazine.
And Golf Digest, top teachers list has really had a big impact
on teaching. He's a mentor for a lot of top
instructors and I wanted to share a conversation that we had
on our live show actually every Tuesday, Wednesday, and
Thursday. We've been going live on
Facebook and YouTube. This has been myself and Nick
Clearwater from Golf Tech. We have been having a great
time. And and wanted to share this
conversation with you because it's more audio-based.
You don't need the visuals, we've been trying to make a lot
of these live shows fun and interactive and this is a
conversation that was worth sharing here on the podcast.
So this with Mike Adams, a great conversation kind of his
philosophy, just you can get to know him a little bit.
Wanted to share this, make sure to check out the live show.
We've been putting a lot of work into this trying to make this
entertaining and interesting and educational for you all.
You can catch all the recordings on YouTube or Facebook or join
us live so you can ask some questions and hang out would
really appreciate it. Alright, let's get into it with
Mike. Hey, this is awesome.
I'm so excited. We have a really awesome round
table here. There's five of us here today,
including Harvey. He's going to leave his input.
I guess throughout, if he snores, we're going to move on
to the next topic. That's come.
She's very opinionated today. It's got a, let's say, I'm very
opinionated gonna lay down towards like Nick.
It's good to have you back. We missed you last Thursday.
Thanks man. I only missed one day.
How'd you do without me? We did.
Okay, we did. We did okay.
Not you know, you weren't here. Your how did Brad do more
importantly Brad? Yeah.
Yeah, we figured was good. It would take me a driver and an
8-iron to hit it as far as he hit the driver.
So, hmm. You should see him putt though?
Not good, huh? Have you ever watched someone
like that as Potter takes it back?
Ground is my hand. He would do a really nice job of
hitting the putt. If the ground moved down here,
sometimes the powder goes down and actually gets stuck on the
backswing. Oh man.
I know where Brad, what to bring them back on and I could work on
his putting I guess? Yeah, he doesn't do the pudding.
Putting lesson shows I guess. Not well.
Congrats next, you added. Someone to the family, the past.
Well, thank you. Thanks.
O and growl my office hours are great.
Now because I could do a whole lot more awake from Midnight
until 7:00 in the morning, every day all the time.
Well, that's fine. We'll change the live and to
like, 34 am, it'll be perfect. We'll get that later out crowd.
I'll be ready. Well, now, between you and Nick.
We've got, we've got a whole basketball team, but women's
Women's Basketball team, we're all set.
As soon as we're done with this, we'll get a game going.
Cordy. Yes.
Who's on? Let's talk about These Guys.
These guys are very important. We've got an incredible show
today. I'm going to kick it over to
Matt Rudy from Golf Digest and he's gonna intro our guests.
He works a lot with Mike, Matt welcome.
Okay thanks for having me. It's nice to sit here with some
of my friends and talk about golf.
I've been doing this stuff at gone for 20 years, writing,
writing golf instruction. And since my first year Golf
Digest when we did the first 50 best features list, Mike Adams
was on that list then. And Number two on that list this
time. And, of course, Nick, he's new
to the list this year. So we've got two guys who know,
an awful lot about the game and Mike's been researching
researching and teaching the game for 40 years.
And here, the story is not only about what it's like to stand on
the, on the Range and work with, with all different kinds of
players from tour winners. All the way down to Shoppers at
the club level. But then to back it up with it
with the research he's done in the driving as to learn things I
really Respect that a lot and I try to surround myself with
people who want to know. They want they want to learn and
they want to know you won't find somebody with better credentials
who's also more open to new information that Mike Adams.
So I'm thrilled to be sitting here talking him into to bring
them into this group with with so many of my friends.
So I'm really enjoy, I'm really going to enjoy today.
Awesome. Hey Mike, what you started on
the list, how long ago, first one, the first one, which line
the me and Abe Lincoln were on the list together, Honest Abe.
I bet he was a great teacher. Where were you on the It's what
number did they rank yet? Your friends.
They didn't have numbers at the beginning.
No, yeah, it was just a tough, a word invented back, your stuff,
had to guess back then. I think the last 20 years I've
Been Everywhere from 2 to 11. Yeah, that's awesome though.
It's pretty cool to have you here.
Absolutely good to be here. So, Mike we're going to talk a
little bit about some screens, two different types of golf
swing time. How you categorize things which
is, which is fascinating to me over the years of been able to
learn from you a little bit and others that you've taught some
of this and it's really cool stuff.
So could you kind of just maybe take us back?
Like where does this idea of screening, someone trying to
figure out where they fit in their golf point B?
And where does it come from? Or how did you get down this
path? Well, it seems in about 30 plus
years ago, I decided to quit guessing and start measuring is
a lot easier to measure somebody and figure out what's going on,
and yes, and I was very fortunate.
Janet dr. Chuck Tillman.
Who is the biomechanist for the u.s.
Olympic team and dr. Jim said Mayer who's also
biomechanist. They decided to do a study and
we went out on tour. And with Force plates, in the 3D
motion capture with, this is back to the old days when there
was wires and you had a hand digitized and we did about 100
players at six different events total.
And they showed me what I was teaching was wrong.
And that my what my what I thought was correct wasn't even
close and then I began to figure it out so I had to come up with
a system, you want to measure so that I wouldn't be going down
the wrong Rabbit Hole every time.
And that's interesting. Mike.
So the were they phds scientists who helped you do?
Them the swing measuring or what was their background.
Jim said, Meyer a biomechanist PhD and the other was dr.
Chuck Tillman, who is a PhD and he was the head of you.
It's Olympics by mechanics. So how did they help you?
Explain that what you were teaching was wrong?
No, they just showed me what the, what the research showed.
And from there we started realizing, you know, instead of
trying to make everybody one swing that I needed to allow
them to be what they were basically different grips if you
look at Snead's right hand grip, it's more, it's more on top.
Okay. But you look at Trevino's it's
more under you. Look at, you know, Jose Maria
olazabal Pivot back around his left leg, where Vijay Singh
pivots background is rightly. So there's all different
examples of different players. So we need to figure out how we
determine, who should be doing, what they give us.
Give us an example or like, what are some different different
categories that people fit in? Well, you have basically three
posts. You can either put it back
around the front leg and threw it around the front leg.
The reason stack until works. So well, is because there was a
group of players who are front post and Weren't allowed to do
it and then when they were allowed to do it, they flourish
and play great. Then you have guys who in the
background, the right leg, they swim, they move to the right and
move to the left. Jimmy Ballard made it famous.
That's why something did so well with him and some of those guys
and then you have the guys were more centered.
Who could more round their pelvis with the right?
It goes back and the back swing the left.
It goes back to the through swing.
So, what we see is different posts.
We also see different right hand grips.
That's why we A test for that where we have them put their
hands together and swing the right arm back to see where the
right arm goes. Determine how they should be
gripping, the club so they can swing the club, most dynamically
and efficiently making my job as a golf instruction content,
producer, difficult because it means, I can't go.
If you can't just do a blanket. One off tip that works for
everybody. It's there's there's a variety
of information that worked for a variety of players and it forces
us to be a little bit more creative and subtle about how we
how we get people going. In the right direction.
It's it's a it's a fun new challenge as opposed to just
slap it out some one-size-fits-all instruction.
It looks to me said means is how long does it take for you to
measure somebody? And it takes about 5 minutes.
So when I measure and figure out what they should be, instead of
guessing and rolling a dice and hope you got it, right?
Yeah. Like your strategy for sure,
guessing is too much of that happens in golf anyway.
That's why we're lucky enough to be able to measure swings on
system, Filtrete him to Designed in.
Single lesson so we can measure things down to the degree or
tenth of an inch. You mention the the post piece.
Can I start by asking you how you came up with the terminology
that you use well front. These are pivoting around the
front leg rear pivoting around the rear leg in the back and
Center their stay in center. And then moving Left Post is
more specific of what I was looking at or sometimes use a
side or undercover over those terminologies.
Well, Visualize you got a ball in your hand.
Okay, two hands like this. Your right hand is now on the
side of the ball, right? If you're right grip is like
that we call it side on the move your right hand, huh?
Okay. Now your right hand is on top.
So that group would be on top now move your right hand under
and guess what that grip is under all you beat me to it.
Got it. Okay.
How about you mentioned the post piece left center, right?
How many inches of pelvics way, do you do measure each of those
app? We check where their pivoting
and, uh, when we're on the force plates, because we measure with
three course plates, both Mark to move Kistler, plates and
swing Catalyst. And we check it tells us exactly
where they are as they go back. So it's not measure of, and then
we also tested the swing and we see where they are, where they
should be. Okay.
Catch a. So the you're not So you're
using the 3D plate and the amount the co-op's moving left
or right, when they make just a normal swing to determine the
measurement was.
As far as he went, which is more Center and is Club head speed
was 108 miles an hour. Terry testimony should be front
that I'm working more because here on the front leg is Club
head, speed went to 119. And what do you attribute the 11
miles an hour to kill you? Because he's using his, by the
way, it's designed to be used, he's not fighting his body.
Is there something in particular that he's not fighting now that
he used to be fighting? Well, yeah, if you move to the
right, it doesn't always get back to the left.
Yeah, and that's for sure. We see that all the time for
sure, sustained left for him is a huge Advantage.
We're live. Go was number one in the world.
94 miles an hour, 93 miles an hour, shift it to the right, she
was a big rear poster and that's what she test out to be.
They moved got her more centered and now her clubhead speed is 84
miles an hour, and she's no longer number one, the world.
Yeah, she's changed a lot. She might have one of the worst
downswings on the LPGA tour right now.
And it looks like you could literally stand in front of her
and she wouldn't you all fall, they wouldn't hurt her.
It's sad to see what's happened to her.
Her as well. How about that impact?
You feel like the at impact? You have a post measurement that
you discussed to the look, great or Center?
Okay. How many inches of pelvics way?
Do you like it impact? Well, it's different for each
person. I mean, we don't have a set
number that we're trying to shoot for sure what we're trying
to do is everybody is different. We measure them and the answer
to every answer is it depends. So then how do you pick?
Which one? Which one at impact to use,
which is Any measurement or doesn't mean the left side and
how they deliver, the force is different for each.
Each of the posts, which we could talk for hours about.
There's a way in, there's a way to do that.
Yeah, right. We've got a ton of studies with
Mike Duffy till Cheatham. Sasha, Mackenzie and JP
Hernandez and Scotland and I traveled all over the world with
those guys. And what we've done is, we
measure everybody and determine what they should be and then
Every time we do it, it's a minimum of six to eight miles an
hour, increase, and maximum of 25 miles, an hour, that we've
seen Gordy the lesson that you receive from teshuvah.
Kenzie was a lesson that I gave him in Hawaii and increased his
Club head speed about an hour and then he gave it to you and
you increase your Club head speed.
I think was a loudmouth. Yeah, it was it was definitely
definitely helpful. That's for sure.
Well Nick should we happen to do some screen and so people can
come some some We're talking about a little bit, let's do.
I am curious to hear what what kind of instruction you get to
increase 11 miles? An hour of Club.
Head speed qu are going to hear that sir a party.
That's, that's a secret Nick. You're going to have to be here.
You can't tell me. All right.
You could see You'd understand, it's not the same for each
person. Yeah, yeah, no.
And I totally agree with them. Like everybody needs a little
different pill for sure. That's a snotty.
I'm curious. What Mike's likes a little pill
was today, was it the follow-through out of been the
dimension and Gulf that usually gives People, the most speed is
either making a longer backswing or learning how to bend
themselves in the, in the sagittal plane.
Also, it's how you use the ground.
Yeah. How you put in the force of the
ground, whether it's rotational vertical or horizontal?
I mean, it's everybody has a different amount of each.
Yeah. So it was courtier lesson were
how to get the vertical part. My lesson with Sasha do was to
have it. The simple queue is to have a
faster backswing, okay? You have to use more Force at
the top of the backswing to start the downswing, gasps John
and it and I jump from probably 113. 2119 because I was like a
good lesson, nicely done. It was very very simple and
something to something that I could actually do right away
which was well soon as you speed the arms, up the leg speed up
and that's how they teach splinters to run faster and
faster. Arm swing.
Well, let's jump in here. Should we do?
What should we do? Mike, should we do about those
Hostess since you? You have anything the putters
back there. Place the club across the top of
your thighs and face us. Okay?
For golf posture and then right across the thighs K.
And so, if we just pivot back, gave notice how you're pivoting
around your left leg, that would make you a front post golfer.
Now, I guess my question is, I know that like long drive, guys,
for instance, get more pressure on their, their, their rear.
That's not true. That's not true.
Who are the two that the two longest camera champ is the
longest on the PGA tour, right? Yep.
And he's a front post golfer. I mean, you can look through the
price of the Shambo is front, post, one of the longest on tour
and it's a myth that you have to shift to the right to hit it.
Farther Yani, tseng 107 miles an hour fastest ever recorded the
LPGA Tour front post, they got her shifting to the right
equipment, speeds, 94 miles an hour.
So the big shift to the right, didn't make a swing faster, you
just swing slower and hit it worse.
Now. Mike is that do you just put
that The Testament? To that as that's not what she's
naturally designed to do. So that's why she swing slower.
Is there something mechanical that she does different that
while he's moving to the right chemical because it's it doesn't
fit how she's predisposed to move.
Nick. What was your time you do that
post test as well? I don't know.
They do right. See I see he's more centered.
He's coming around instead of not staying left.
Is that right? Like, did I do?
Okay. Yeah, you didn't mess it up.
Love it so far so good. Mike.
Other thing that I've done with Scott Lynn was about mechanist
was hit golf balls on the left foot feet together and on the
right foot and see which one is fastest.
Well, there's Stan left foot feet together and left foot
back. That was I developed that and
they use that and it shows the different Club at speeds of
different positions. So there's three different ways
that we do it, but they all become back to the same result,
Nick you ever heard of that before?
Not that particular test. I mean I've heard Mike talk
about it before but not really in great detail.
So I'd be curious to study even here touch more about that.
Like which what the results are? We have guys once we test them,
if we're not sure if the between front and center or between
Center and rear will have them get shots with the feet together
and then hit shots with the right foot.
Drop back, I left the drop back and they had more speed with
feet together. They're more centered.
If they hit it more with the left foot, drop back the more
rear there. Having fit shorter between front
and center. We have dropped, the right foot,
back about four inches apart just a little bit back and they
have hit shots and have them feet, hit shots with feet
together. We have a rack man behind them
and it gives us Club head speed, and solid as a Content.
Don't think it's great When Corey and I are doing that test.
Are you how are you determining? Which post?
We are visually when you're watching?
Well, I mean, you can pretty much see he's okay.
Can you see me? Yes.
Okay, what is my post? I would say other ear and I am
rare. Correct.
If you see this what are you seeing front?
And this is more sinner. Okay so you're watching, I
suppose the thoracic sway, how you can call it that that
measurement watching more down below where tort or you're
watching the bulbous more than a not much compromise.
Okay, gotcha. When you have someone on like
Catalyst to zap, Elvis thorax. When the make a backswing, you
can make the center of pressure move around in a multitude of
ways. Which I know I understand that,
you know, when you see someone who might move their pelvis
toward the target, but retain the forward.
Flexion at they had an address in that sagittal.
Maybe you see that Zach Johnson is a good example of that.
Exactly. Yeah, that's what we call, you
know. Basically, all he's doing is,
he's got creating a counter swivel because he's an under
grip and that's that way he can access his Donna Dimension, then
you have the other the counter tilt we where they are actually
real and they give it this way that you see them leaning back
to the lab. I'll be J saying or calmer
Gunnery. Sure.
Okay, how would you classify like Zac?
Then Zack is front, post is another golfers because his
pelvis moves towards the target. Okay?
I think I got it. Uh-huh.
Any other questions? Okay, then that clear I love it.
This is the this is the side cover under, right?
Right? This gives you what it, what?
Your right hand should be on and your grip on the golf club,
correct? Okay, okay, Cordy turns, that's
right, hands together, right? Hand?
Slightly lower, okay, that's cool.
As your shoulders and swing both arms are right, aligned the
right on depend. Okay, notice where your palm is
facing taking down. Yes, that's more side.
Cover the group is, is the Palm before, arm the shoulder and the
elbow, the more the right, elbow goes up, the more on top you are
more the right elbow. Tucks.
In the more under you are who are not work, some horse and
players that would be it would be in different positions than
the. Those guys go ahead and put the
picture of Paul Casey and Okay, notice, Adam Scott on the right
is right, elbow tucks in Palm is facing more up.
He is side under Paul Casey on the left is see how the right
elbow is gone back and up, he's more side cover, which is how he
grips it. And the other is how Adam Scott,
fifth it. But we're talking to Paul crazy
and I said, so you're right. Hand needs to be more on top and
you play. He says, I hit it best that way.
He says, but my teacher, Peter kostis keeps moving my right
hand Square to neutral. And I said, so how do you hit
it? They get a terrible from there
but he says, I fooled them. I open the club face up and
address in essence, you move the right hand on top and he says, I
hit a great from there. I think, Adam Scott.
Shaves, his forearms. Totally does.
Look at that anyway. Are you just jealous?
That is that why you said that was out there just a reaction?
The reaction? Yeah, fair enough.
Like, I have a question about this one.
So, on the back swing, you're looking at Adam Scott while
Casey at this point, I'm neither of them would make a very
functional. Oh backswing moving like this.
So I'm wondering if that's true. Well neither one can swing like
this. Maybe I should start with that.
Adam Scott does took because there is some movement of the
shoulders and hips but we're just trying to isolate with the
arm is going to do, they do know that like that's for sure.
The left arm the left or complexion and the pushing out,
that's different than how he would have it at.
We're almost at the point in time where is left humerus.
Parallel, the ground. That's not the orientation.
He would ever have that swing. He's got that further behind
him. So do you feel like this?
Let me answer the question. There would be there would be
pivot at that point the hips in there and show them the same
thing that Paul Casey. He does move backing up his
right. Elbow goes back and his face
looks a lot more shut in the backswing.
Sure. So you feel like this test
irrespective of the other recruitments of different joints
and the different Mobility mode. We're trying to see is how the
right arm works in the backswing because like the executor
forearm elbow and right hand is dictated, then that allows us to
put the right hand on correctly. Okay, so so in my case, as a
side cover, I need to crank my right hand, this way more
correct, where you need a little more on top.
Okay. You're going to be you're going
to grip it. Like cupca.
Does more the way that you know camera champ.
As a Bryson does or Paul Casey Rickie.
Fowler, you know, Rory McIlroy Thomas Peters.
Alex noren, Patrick Reed. Martin Kaymer, those some good
cops. Those are good players.
Yeah. He should be a little more like
that. Cordy.
I should be it. I never do.
You know it, you know like Zander Shockley.
The right hands. More under Justin Thomas, Adam
Patrick can't lie, you know, John wrong, Fred Couples, Martin
trainer, there's a book. As a bunch of them and great
thing. Being in medalists, I'm even go
up and test all of them. That's cool to have such
proximity to all those amazing players gives you such a good
background in, seeing what the best in the world.
Do we write? Nothing works, right.
Hand is very much on top, that's why you cover the outside and
that's why he does what he does. I mean his swing really isn't
unusual because he swings the way he should.
According the grip that's great. I appreciate you hearing the
saying that because I don't think that wolf swing is unusual
either. The way he does, the radial
deviation and somehow he pulls his arms apart in the backswing.
Those are very noticeable but the rest of how he's really
moving throughout. The swing isn't all that much
different from right hand for definitely.
So if that picture of Paul Casey that you had, I don't know if
you can throw that up one more time Cordy.
So if Paul Casey comes to you or any PGA Tour, player comes to
you and they say like in Paul's case I'm having a hard time
drawing the ball. Mike, I want to draw it more.
Do you still Tell him to put the number three, pressure point,
index finger or betrayal hand more on on the side or on top of
the shaft ever. So slightly, all you do is you
shift the plane, you closed a stance, they can hit draws,
allows them to hit up on me drawers, where the opposite of
for an under guy. Who's more predisposed, to draw
the gospel, you do Italy. You know, does you do it j.b.
Holmes? Does you do it?
Zach Johnson is Dustin Johnson, John Ross.
They open the stance up and shift the plane to the left.
It's just, you know, you don't have to try to manipulate
anything you just shift. Okay.
Now I want to hear from Matt a little bit.
I know, you know personally talking to a lot of instructors
that have begun to understand this information from Mike and
they've learned this how much do you see this impacting
instruction? Some of these screens and
whatnot over the last, you know, few years.
But I think the work that Mike is doing, I think the work that
Nick is Doing. I think the work that people
like my friend, Mike Jacobs is doing your role, is Terry rolls.
All of these people are, are people that and they don't, and
they want to eliminate some of the folklore and golf
instruction. And I think that's a difficult
place for some coaches to be in. Because if you've coached your
entire career based on an estimate or on a, you know, an
anecdote that somebody told her that it got passed down from
some other teacher. It's, you know, it can be
threatening. To hear about information, that
might be contrary to what you coach or what you believe.
But I think what's permeating golf instruction is real
information real measurements. And I think it's in special
coaches. There's a mixture of real
information with the Artistry of interpersonal relationships.
And, you know, the actual coaching part that is the people
part and the coaches that are good at both of those things are
ones that are flourishing, and I say it all the time.
We're in a awesome. Awesome hair.
Era for democracy of information, just look what
we're doing now. We're in a place where we can
share this stuff with with, as many people who are, who want to
see it for free instantly and I think if you wanted to learn
stuff. I Michael tell you stories about
being a young professional, being had to drive himself
around the country and try to find the right mentors and by
process of elimination and try to try to figure out, figure out
what roads to go down. And then now you can, you can
find that information and all these different places you can.
Find mentors. You can you can learn different
things and figure out how to apply it.
And you can see that in some of the businesses and some of the
profiles that a lot of coaches have been building, whether it's
on social media or videos they make and seminars, they give, I
think there's never been a better time to flourish.
There's a golf instructor and there's never been more
availability of great information.
And I think we're just now on the sorting out period where,
where some people are for still trying to Incorporating, what
they do day in and day out? Well, they can find out more
about our system because we're doing a webinar, starting
Friday, ultimate golf lesson.com, they can find out
all the information about it. Yeah.
It's everybody. It's the biomechanist sits, it's
coaches coming together and talk about the ways.
They, they share it. I'm lucky that I get to spend a
lot of time. And I tend to gravitate toward
coaches, that, that want to know whether it's Randy Smith.
Dallas, you're so with, somebody was just a legendary coach,
who's got? Who's got Great information.
He's got an amazing touch with people.
Spend a lot of time with Nick spent a lot of time with Mike.
I'm lucky that I get to be around people that that are fun
to have a beer with and have a lot of information and are
committed to figuring out how to share it with people in the most
effective way for the person in front of Mike.
I think it's awesome that you and matter putting on this
event, I know you're doing most of the work and that's just
going to sit there actually, it's generals myself.
And Matt and then we've got all the biomechanist still Cheatham
is on and Scotland and GP, Fernandez, and, you know, Mike
Duffy and such. They're all going to be done.
I like all those guys. My only job is to be is just a
bit to mute people if they get out of line.
And I really liked that job. That's pretty good Matty's.
Mention something, interesting. I want to get Mike's take on.
You know, it's a little bit easier than it would have been
in that little hint there. If you read under the veil, but
Years ago, you couldn't just get online and produce content, get
to be known as a teacher, irrespective of, who you taught,
what you knew, nowadays is a little bit easier to do that,
not saying it's simple. I think there are some some
crazy stories of people coming out of no teaching background
whatsoever teaching tour. Players even seen it happen.
What's your take on the new wave of coaches, who are becoming
popular mainly from either, being making crazy social media
posts being a Face or just stuck to their keyboard a lot whether
they're have a positive or bowling attitude and helping
that move themselves up in the profession.
I think what one vulnerability in general, the gulf Pat golf is
a sport has and golf instruction as an element of that has has
historically. I think golf has been behind,
whether culturally, you know, technically in terms of
technology, in terms of attitudes, the sport is behind.
And so, I think there are a lot of people that in golf coaching
who don't Have is firmer grasp on what technology can do as
others. And, and I think that, let's
some people take advantage of that of the of that vacuum and
fill the vacuum with information.
I think some of them haven't done a terrific job.
Some of them have probably been more damaging than others, but
to go back to the previous Point, what I think is great
about it is you didn't, you don't have to have the luck of
of going to be an assistant Pro for Mike Adams and, you know, in
1992 or for with Randy Smith or with Butch Harmon or Jim McClean
Or any of these people in painting.
Yeah. Coach a coach could really give
you an amazing grounding and what and how to teach you could.
You could be Mike Jacobs and grew up on Long Island and be a
municipal golfer and and find your own way and find your own
information, and that's very appealing.
I grew up in a factory town in Michigan, and I had to figure my
own way and that's, that's appealing to me, for sure.
And what's fascinating is there are players on tour who have
chosen, Is based on Instagram post or they've chosen coaches
based on Twitter, a Twitter feed, and younger younger
players who see that as a source of information and are
determining for themselves. If it's valid information or
not, whether that means they're putting their coach through the
paces to see if it works or they're just looking for a Hail
Mary because they don't have a lot of self-confidence yet that
those are all things that are fascinating to study.
Because those are the elements that go into determining, who
championed are these days. You need to be able to not only
figure out the the right thing to do for yourself, but have the
gumption and the self-confidence, Cento to know
what to discard, if it doesn't work and you know that you hear
from Brandel, Chamblee lot your where he's very hard on Modern
and instruction and I think partially because he got some
instruct from they didn't like, but but I firmly believe that
you're the gatekeeper of your own game and whether you were
playing in 1950 or 2,000 or 2020, you're responsible for
what you do or don't do. And there, there certainly is
coaching. It's out there.
But you have a much better chance nationwide at a golf Tech
at a mid-range Country Club in America today, you have a much
better chance. Thanks to the work of all.
These people that were talking about right here of getting a
very good golf lesson. Then you have ever had in the
history of this game because the bar the sort of passing grade,
bar of information for a golf instructor so much higher now
than it used to be like, I think Matt cover.
Did he miss anything? I don't think so, basically.
I think online instruction has its place especially during the
lockdown, but if you can't see, people hit balls with the ball
flight is and what's going on? You can make assumptions and
make suggestions. And if it doesn't fix the ball
plates, not fixing the player. And then you need to be able to
make them hit. It better and hit it more
readily and be able to play because they have to take it out
on the golf course. I mean there isn't you don't
take it. You don't take a golf swing and
you get scored. Oh that was a 10 swing, put the
drive. Down the middle.
You actually have to hit the ball and when it comes right
down to it, I mean, I would say 50% of my lessons around the
golf course because I have to teach them how to, once I get
him to hit it, I've got to teach them how to use it.
Yeah. I love the environment of like
what we use and it sounds like you do some similar Mike.
We have such a sterile tightly-controlled, like petri
dish in here where you get a lot done very quickly, but then once
that works done and you teach somebody to whatever chatted
like them, Um, to, whether it's a tiny drawer straighten,
something out, or stop him that then it's time to go outside and
teach them how to play golf. So that's what we do to come
out. I love when I when I go to a
golf text other thing, I love is the removal of variables and
there are a lot of coaches that have an intuitive nature that
can figure things out. But the process might take
longer because they they aren't taking one variable at a time.
And when you, and when you can go to a place like a golf,
texting her and see how things are measured and see what
variables. Actually in fact, what's going
on? I know Mike, you and I have
talked about that a lot and the coaches that can do that and
understand that turning this knob by itself does one thing
and turning. All the knobs at the same time
in different directions, those a different thing that you would
be surprised if ya could die at that.
Level of sophistication is beyond a lot of coaches because
they just start turning lots of knobs and that's got to be
extremely unsatisfying for a student.
I would think it doesn't need to be that way.
You can make golf as simple or as complicated.
Kate as you want but your instruction should not be very
complicated. If it doesn't have to be
forever, you can be complicated under the hood, you know, the
yeah, absolutely. If you open mics brain up and
looked inside it, open your brain up or we had a career at a
biomechanical conversation with you know, the 10 smartest the
country, it can get pretty Next Level pretty fast.
But that the art is the art of a Mac of a Mac computer sitting on
my desk here. Is that it's super complicated
but it doesn't look complicated to me.
I'm just moving the mouse and it does what I wanted to do.
Yeah, hey, Mike in the, Five or ten years as your system of
either measuring or teaching change very much.
Well, you know, it's always evolving, you know, we're always
looking for better ways to do it, better ways to say it, you
know, we've added a couple of screens and, you know,
basically, you know, unfortunately, I've spent I've
spent a lot of time with the best players and best teachers
carry roles and I are together all the time.
I travel all over the world with JP and also Scott, when I
probably been to 70 countries with those guys.
So when you go ahead and You work with somebody and you got
300. People sitting there watching
you and you got to make them hit it, better in five balls.
They don't know what you're doing.
Absolutely can't say it. Any better.
That's the fun part though. I know I get to practice that
skill a lot. I know you do as well.
We're having Terry on a Thursday.
You'll enjoy a. He's a brilliant guy and a
phenomenal teacher. Yeah, I really liked.
Are he's a, he's a fun guy for sure.
My knee a 10 second delay, but we'll keep pushing them along.
Will fill some dead, are you? You want any dead Air with
Terry? Oh, it's one of those stories.
Okay. All right, I got you.
How about last question? I can think of to I think I
slightly hinted on, but I'm curious.
So you mentioned tour, players? And how many of those that
you've seen over the years when a tour player does come to you,
do you start by asking them a series of questions, outside of
what you do with the screening base?
Or how do you get started with one?
Well, I asked him ice cream them, as for videos when they
play their best, to see what they look like and go from
there. I mean, each case is different
all I want. I know as much about them as
possible, how they take information in what their
learning style is. I also want to find out, you
know, any injuries things that they've done teachers, are they
worked with that? Is that they hit the ball?
Well under what sweet thoughts, are they had and you check them
out. I mean, the more information I
have the easier. My job becomes like, that's
great and I appreciate your Viewpoint of, you're essentially
saying it's not all about what, you know, either, how much about
a swing, you know, that's the interpersonal skills that are
important asking the right questions that Order start dive
in on that problem. And I know hundreds of teachers
that have been loyal subjects and followers of your tutelage
are all super guys and they have that skill well trained as well
so I applaud you for everything you're doing and golf I know
it's I appreciate everyone who's trying to measure things for
sure. And I know you're always trying
to improve what you do and get a little better at it every single
day, so I think it's great. We've done for golf and for what
you Continue to do. Well, I appreciate you saying
that. Yeah, thank you guys for hanging
out. This is this is finding you for
your time. Mike and Matt.
And now I'm a front post side. Cover golfer.
I'm going to go figure out what that means tomorrow on the golf
course. Well you know your body will
simulate that you can stop sweating Cordy.
It's easy. I'll report back on Beeping,
Milo, round tomorrow. Whatever were you playing
tomorrow? Of course opens tomorrow.
I got it. I got to get out at some point,
we'll see. Hopefully, I can get get done
some work and get out there and we have.
This is what our course look like, right?
I think we're going to be shut down.
At least till May here in Connecticut, so know you're
never playing again. It's gonna start snowing again
in August. He was snoke coronavirus.
They're not going to let us Because I supposed to be at the
end of this month, I think we're going to get a plague of
locusts. That's the next thing that's
going to happen. Here is take pictures but on
social media I want to see it tag me on that on that positive
thought. Let's let them today.
Thank you guys to see you. Thanks.