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So make sure to check that out 28 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:13,500 and whoop.com code GSL for Discount. 29 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:20,100 We're on a mission to help golfers from all over the world, 30 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,700 achieve their goals by understanding what it actually 31 00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:25,600 takes to play their best golf. We're talking is leading 32 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:30,800 instructors researchers and players themselves to find what 33 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:38,700 is actually working. Hey everyone. 34 00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:41,500 Welcome back to the podcast. Today, I wanted to share a 35 00:01:41,508 --> 00:01:43,600 conversation that I had last week. 36 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,700 This is one with With Mike Adams phenomenal instructor he's, you 37 00:01:48,700 --> 00:01:52,100 know, perennial in the top ten top five on The Golf Magazine. 38 00:01:52,100 --> 00:01:56,300 And Golf Digest, top teachers list has really had a big impact 39 00:01:56,300 --> 00:01:59,500 on teaching. He's a mentor for a lot of top 40 00:01:59,500 --> 00:02:02,800 instructors and I wanted to share a conversation that we had 41 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,800 on our live show actually every Tuesday, Wednesday, and 42 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,200 Thursday. We've been going live on 43 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,500 Facebook and YouTube. This has been myself and Nick 44 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:14,600 Clearwater from Golf Tech. We have been having a great 45 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,200 time. And and wanted to share this 46 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,400 conversation with you because it's more audio-based. 47 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,600 You don't need the visuals, we've been trying to make a lot 48 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,500 of these live shows fun and interactive and this is a 49 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:29,300 conversation that was worth sharing here on the podcast. 50 00:02:29,300 --> 00:02:32,000 So this with Mike Adams, a great conversation kind of his 51 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,700 philosophy, just you can get to know him a little bit. 52 00:02:34,900 --> 00:02:37,100 Wanted to share this, make sure to check out the live show. 53 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:39,500 We've been putting a lot of work into this trying to make this 54 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:42,000 entertaining and interesting and educational for you all. 55 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,000 You can catch all the recordings on YouTube or Facebook or join 56 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,400 us live so you can ask some questions and hang out would 57 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,900 really appreciate it. Alright, let's get into it with 58 00:02:49,900 --> 00:02:55,700 Mike. Hey, this is awesome. 59 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:58,200 I'm so excited. We have a really awesome round 60 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,000 table here. There's five of us here today, 61 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,500 including Harvey. He's going to leave his input. 62 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:05,700 I guess throughout, if he snores, we're going to move on 63 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:06,800 to the next topic. That's come. 64 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,500 She's very opinionated today. It's got a, let's say, I'm very 65 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:11,900 opinionated gonna lay down towards like Nick. 66 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:14,200 It's good to have you back. We missed you last Thursday. 67 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:15,800 Thanks man. I only missed one day. 68 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,700 How'd you do without me? We did. 69 00:03:17,700 --> 00:03:19,200 Okay, we did. We did okay. 70 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,400 Not you know, you weren't here. Your how did Brad do more 71 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,200 importantly Brad? Yeah. 72 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,700 Yeah, we figured was good. It would take me a driver and an 73 00:03:27,700 --> 00:03:29,600 8-iron to hit it as far as he hit the driver. 74 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,200 So, hmm. You should see him putt though? 75 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,100 Not good, huh? Have you ever watched someone 76 00:03:35,100 --> 00:03:37,500 like that as Potter takes it back? 77 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,500 Ground is my hand. He would do a really nice job of 78 00:03:41,508 --> 00:03:43,800 hitting the putt. If the ground moved down here, 79 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,100 sometimes the powder goes down and actually gets stuck on the 80 00:03:47,100 --> 00:03:48,600 backswing. Oh man. 81 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,100 I know where Brad, what to bring them back on and I could work on 82 00:03:52,100 --> 00:03:54,100 his putting I guess? Yeah, he doesn't do the pudding. 83 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:56,500 Putting lesson shows I guess. Not well. 84 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:59,700 Congrats next, you added. Someone to the family, the past. 85 00:03:59,700 --> 00:04:01,000 Well, thank you. Thanks. 86 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,200 O and growl my office hours are great. 87 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,100 Now because I could do a whole lot more awake from Midnight 88 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:09,400 until 7:00 in the morning, every day all the time. 89 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,700 Well, that's fine. We'll change the live and to 90 00:04:11,700 --> 00:04:14,700 like, 34 am, it'll be perfect. We'll get that later out crowd. 91 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,000 I'll be ready. Well, now, between you and Nick. 92 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,200 We've got, we've got a whole basketball team, but women's 93 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,100 Women's Basketball team, we're all set. 94 00:04:21,899 --> 00:04:23,500 As soon as we're done with this, we'll get a game going. 95 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,400 Cordy. Yes. 96 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,300 Who's on? Let's talk about These Guys. 97 00:04:27,300 --> 00:04:30,100 These guys are very important. We've got an incredible show 98 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:32,100 today. I'm going to kick it over to 99 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:36,000 Matt Rudy from Golf Digest and he's gonna intro our guests. 100 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,500 He works a lot with Mike, Matt welcome. 101 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:41,900 Okay thanks for having me. It's nice to sit here with some 102 00:04:41,900 --> 00:04:43,400 of my friends and talk about golf. 103 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:46,300 I've been doing this stuff at gone for 20 years, writing, 104 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,000 writing golf instruction. And since my first year Golf 105 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,300 Digest when we did the first 50 best features list, Mike Adams 106 00:04:52,300 --> 00:04:55,700 was on that list then. And Number two on that list this 107 00:04:55,700 --> 00:04:57,700 time. And, of course, Nick, he's new 108 00:04:57,700 --> 00:05:00,400 to the list this year. So we've got two guys who know, 109 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,300 an awful lot about the game and Mike's been researching 110 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:07,100 researching and teaching the game for 40 years. 111 00:05:07,100 --> 00:05:11,400 And here, the story is not only about what it's like to stand on 112 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,000 the, on the Range and work with, with all different kinds of 113 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,100 players from tour winners. All the way down to Shoppers at 114 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:19,400 the club level. But then to back it up with it 115 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,600 with the research he's done in the driving as to learn things I 116 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,100 really Respect that a lot and I try to surround myself with 117 00:05:26,100 --> 00:05:28,100 people who want to know. They want they want to learn and 118 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:31,100 they want to know you won't find somebody with better credentials 119 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,700 who's also more open to new information that Mike Adams. 120 00:05:33,700 --> 00:05:37,200 So I'm thrilled to be sitting here talking him into to bring 121 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,700 them into this group with with so many of my friends. 122 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:41,800 So I'm really enjoy, I'm really going to enjoy today. 123 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,300 Awesome. Hey Mike, what you started on 124 00:05:44,300 --> 00:05:47,800 the list, how long ago, first one, the first one, which line 125 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,500 the me and Abe Lincoln were on the list together, Honest Abe. 126 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:54,300 I bet he was a great teacher. Where were you on the It's what 127 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:56,100 number did they rank yet? Your friends. 128 00:05:56,100 --> 00:05:57,600 They didn't have numbers at the beginning. 129 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,800 No, yeah, it was just a tough, a word invented back, your stuff, 130 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,000 had to guess back then. I think the last 20 years I've 131 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,500 Been Everywhere from 2 to 11. Yeah, that's awesome though. 132 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:11,900 It's pretty cool to have you here. 133 00:06:11,900 --> 00:06:15,200 Absolutely good to be here. So, Mike we're going to talk a 134 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,900 little bit about some screens, two different types of golf 135 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:21,000 swing time. How you categorize things which 136 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,000 is, which is fascinating to me over the years of been able to 137 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,800 learn from you a little bit and others that you've taught some 138 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,500 of this and it's really cool stuff. 139 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:32,900 So could you kind of just maybe take us back? 140 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:36,400 Like where does this idea of screening, someone trying to 141 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,700 figure out where they fit in their golf point B? 142 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:41,400 And where does it come from? Or how did you get down this 143 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,400 path? Well, it seems in about 30 plus 144 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,100 years ago, I decided to quit guessing and start measuring is 145 00:06:49,100 --> 00:06:51,600 a lot easier to measure somebody and figure out what's going on, 146 00:06:51,900 --> 00:06:53,900 and yes, and I was very fortunate. 147 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 Janet dr. Chuck Tillman. 148 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,400 Who is the biomechanist for the u.s. 149 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:02,300 Olympic team and dr. Jim said Mayer who's also 150 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:05,200 biomechanist. They decided to do a study and 151 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,600 we went out on tour. And with Force plates, in the 3D 152 00:07:09,700 --> 00:07:12,500 motion capture with, this is back to the old days when there 153 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:16,800 was wires and you had a hand digitized and we did about 100 154 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,600 players at six different events total. 155 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,700 And they showed me what I was teaching was wrong. 156 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,100 And that my what my what I thought was correct wasn't even 157 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:32,200 close and then I began to figure it out so I had to come up with 158 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,300 a system, you want to measure so that I wouldn't be going down 159 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:37,300 the wrong Rabbit Hole every time. 160 00:07:37,900 --> 00:07:39,000 And that's interesting. Mike. 161 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,700 So the were they phds scientists who helped you do? 162 00:07:43,700 --> 00:07:46,100 Them the swing measuring or what was their background. 163 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,300 Jim said, Meyer a biomechanist PhD and the other was dr. 164 00:07:51,300 --> 00:07:53,800 Chuck Tillman, who is a PhD and he was the head of you. 165 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:57,000 It's Olympics by mechanics. So how did they help you? 166 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,600 Explain that what you were teaching was wrong? 167 00:07:59,700 --> 00:08:03,100 No, they just showed me what the, what the research showed. 168 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,400 And from there we started realizing, you know, instead of 169 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,900 trying to make everybody one swing that I needed to allow 170 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:13,300 them to be what they were basically different grips if you 171 00:08:13,300 --> 00:08:16,700 look at Snead's right hand grip, it's more, it's more on top. 172 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,800 Okay. But you look at Trevino's it's 173 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,700 more under you. Look at, you know, Jose Maria 174 00:08:22,700 --> 00:08:27,500 olazabal Pivot back around his left leg, where Vijay Singh 175 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,200 pivots background is rightly. So there's all different 176 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,799 examples of different players. So we need to figure out how we 177 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,000 determine, who should be doing, what they give us. 178 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,600 Give us an example or like, what are some different different 179 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,000 categories that people fit in? Well, you have basically three 180 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,200 posts. You can either put it back 181 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,200 around the front leg and threw it around the front leg. 182 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,400 The reason stack until works. So well, is because there was a 183 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,600 group of players who are front post and Weren't allowed to do 184 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,200 it and then when they were allowed to do it, they flourish 185 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,100 and play great. Then you have guys who in the 186 00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:02,400 background, the right leg, they swim, they move to the right and 187 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,800 move to the left. Jimmy Ballard made it famous. 188 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,900 That's why something did so well with him and some of those guys 189 00:09:08,900 --> 00:09:11,400 and then you have the guys were more centered. 190 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,900 Who could more round their pelvis with the right? 191 00:09:13,900 --> 00:09:16,100 It goes back and the back swing the left. 192 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:17,300 It goes back to the through swing. 193 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:20,700 So, what we see is different posts. 194 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:22,500 We also see different right hand grips. 195 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,700 That's why we A test for that where we have them put their 196 00:09:25,700 --> 00:09:28,800 hands together and swing the right arm back to see where the 197 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,000 right arm goes. Determine how they should be 198 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,400 gripping, the club so they can swing the club, most dynamically 199 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,900 and efficiently making my job as a golf instruction content, 200 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:39,600 producer, difficult because it means, I can't go. 201 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,200 If you can't just do a blanket. One off tip that works for 202 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,000 everybody. It's there's there's a variety 203 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,600 of information that worked for a variety of players and it forces 204 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,200 us to be a little bit more creative and subtle about how we 205 00:09:52,500 --> 00:09:54,700 how we get people going. In the right direction. 206 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:57,500 It's it's a it's a fun new challenge as opposed to just 207 00:09:57,500 --> 00:10:00,200 slap it out some one-size-fits-all instruction. 208 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,000 It looks to me said means is how long does it take for you to 209 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:06,800 measure somebody? And it takes about 5 minutes. 210 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,900 So when I measure and figure out what they should be, instead of 211 00:10:10,900 --> 00:10:13,700 guessing and rolling a dice and hope you got it, right? 212 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,600 Yeah. Like your strategy for sure, 213 00:10:16,700 --> 00:10:19,500 guessing is too much of that happens in golf anyway. 214 00:10:19,500 --> 00:10:21,700 That's why we're lucky enough to be able to measure swings on 215 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,800 system, Filtrete him to Designed in. 216 00:10:23,900 --> 00:10:27,100 Single lesson so we can measure things down to the degree or 217 00:10:27,100 --> 00:10:30,100 tenth of an inch. You mention the the post piece. 218 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:33,500 Can I start by asking you how you came up with the terminology 219 00:10:33,500 --> 00:10:36,200 that you use well front. These are pivoting around the 220 00:10:36,208 --> 00:10:41,000 front leg rear pivoting around the rear leg in the back and 221 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,200 Center their stay in center. And then moving Left Post is 222 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,600 more specific of what I was looking at or sometimes use a 223 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,800 side or undercover over those terminologies. 224 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,500 Well, Visualize you got a ball in your hand. 225 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,100 Okay, two hands like this. Your right hand is now on the 226 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:04,300 side of the ball, right? If you're right grip is like 227 00:11:04,300 --> 00:11:07,600 that we call it side on the move your right hand, huh? 228 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,700 Okay. Now your right hand is on top. 229 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:14,700 So that group would be on top now move your right hand under 230 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,600 and guess what that grip is under all you beat me to it. 231 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:20,700 Got it. Okay. 232 00:11:20,700 --> 00:11:23,800 How about you mentioned the post piece left center, right? 233 00:11:23,900 --> 00:11:28,500 How many inches of pelvics way, do you do measure each of those 234 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:30,600 app? We check where their pivoting 235 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,200 and, uh, when we're on the force plates, because we measure with 236 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:39,000 three course plates, both Mark to move Kistler, plates and 237 00:11:39,100 --> 00:11:42,700 swing Catalyst. And we check it tells us exactly 238 00:11:42,900 --> 00:11:47,500 where they are as they go back. So it's not measure of, and then 239 00:11:47,700 --> 00:11:50,400 we also tested the swing and we see where they are, where they 240 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,600 should be. Okay. 241 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,100 Catch a. So the you're not So you're 242 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:57,600 using the 3D plate and the amount the co-op's moving left 243 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,100 or right, when they make just a normal swing to determine the 244 00:12:01,108 --> 00:12:16,600 measurement was. 245 00:12:16,608 --> 00:12:20,000 As far as he went, which is more Center and is Club head speed 246 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,100 was 108 miles an hour. Terry testimony should be front 247 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,700 that I'm working more because here on the front leg is Club 248 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:30,900 head, speed went to 119. And what do you attribute the 11 249 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:34,500 miles an hour to kill you? Because he's using his, by the 250 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:37,600 way, it's designed to be used, he's not fighting his body. 251 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:40,500 Is there something in particular that he's not fighting now that 252 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:43,100 he used to be fighting? Well, yeah, if you move to the 253 00:12:43,100 --> 00:12:45,200 right, it doesn't always get back to the left. 254 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,100 Yeah, and that's for sure. We see that all the time for 255 00:12:48,100 --> 00:12:51,200 sure, sustained left for him is a huge Advantage. 256 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,900 We're live. Go was number one in the world. 257 00:12:55,100 --> 00:12:58,800 94 miles an hour, 93 miles an hour, shift it to the right, she 258 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,600 was a big rear poster and that's what she test out to be. 259 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,400 They moved got her more centered and now her clubhead speed is 84 260 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,000 miles an hour, and she's no longer number one, the world. 261 00:13:08,100 --> 00:13:11,000 Yeah, she's changed a lot. She might have one of the worst 262 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,400 downswings on the LPGA tour right now. 263 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,200 And it looks like you could literally stand in front of her 264 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,900 and she wouldn't you all fall, they wouldn't hurt her. 265 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,800 It's sad to see what's happened to her. 266 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,000 Her as well. How about that impact? 267 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,600 You feel like the at impact? You have a post measurement that 268 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,200 you discussed to the look, great or Center? 269 00:13:30,500 --> 00:13:32,300 Okay. How many inches of pelvics way? 270 00:13:32,300 --> 00:13:34,800 Do you like it impact? Well, it's different for each 271 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,700 person. I mean, we don't have a set 272 00:13:37,700 --> 00:13:40,500 number that we're trying to shoot for sure what we're trying 273 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:45,200 to do is everybody is different. We measure them and the answer 274 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,300 to every answer is it depends. So then how do you pick? 275 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:51,100 Which one? Which one at impact to use, 276 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,700 which is Any measurement or doesn't mean the left side and 277 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:58,300 how they deliver, the force is different for each. 278 00:13:58,300 --> 00:14:01,800 Each of the posts, which we could talk for hours about. 279 00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:04,100 There's a way in, there's a way to do that. 280 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,700 Yeah, right. We've got a ton of studies with 281 00:14:07,900 --> 00:14:12,500 Mike Duffy till Cheatham. Sasha, Mackenzie and JP 282 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,500 Hernandez and Scotland and I traveled all over the world with 283 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:18,600 those guys. And what we've done is, we 284 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,300 measure everybody and determine what they should be and then 285 00:14:21,900 --> 00:14:24,800 Every time we do it, it's a minimum of six to eight miles an 286 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,600 hour, increase, and maximum of 25 miles, an hour, that we've 287 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,100 seen Gordy the lesson that you receive from teshuvah. 288 00:14:33,100 --> 00:14:37,100 Kenzie was a lesson that I gave him in Hawaii and increased his 289 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:40,200 Club head speed about an hour and then he gave it to you and 290 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:41,400 you increase your Club head speed. 291 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:45,200 I think was a loudmouth. Yeah, it was it was definitely 292 00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:47,100 definitely helpful. That's for sure. 293 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,000 Well Nick should we happen to do some screen and so people can 294 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,700 come some some We're talking about a little bit, let's do. 295 00:14:53,700 --> 00:14:57,000 I am curious to hear what what kind of instruction you get to 296 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,100 increase 11 miles? An hour of Club. 297 00:14:59,100 --> 00:15:01,100 Head speed qu are going to hear that sir a party. 298 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,800 That's, that's a secret Nick. You're going to have to be here. 299 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:05,300 You can't tell me. All right. 300 00:15:05,300 --> 00:15:09,400 You could see You'd understand, it's not the same for each 301 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,000 person. Yeah, yeah, no. 302 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,500 And I totally agree with them. Like everybody needs a little 303 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:15,700 different pill for sure. That's a snotty. 304 00:15:15,700 --> 00:15:17,600 I'm curious. What Mike's likes a little pill 305 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,400 was today, was it the follow-through out of been the 306 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,000 dimension and Gulf that usually gives People, the most speed is 307 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,400 either making a longer backswing or learning how to bend 308 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,700 themselves in the, in the sagittal plane. 309 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,500 Also, it's how you use the ground. 310 00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:32,900 Yeah. How you put in the force of the 311 00:15:32,908 --> 00:15:36,700 ground, whether it's rotational vertical or horizontal? 312 00:15:36,700 --> 00:15:39,600 I mean, it's everybody has a different amount of each. 313 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,200 Yeah. So it was courtier lesson were 314 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:47,500 how to get the vertical part. My lesson with Sasha do was to 315 00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:49,400 have it. The simple queue is to have a 316 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:54,100 faster backswing, okay? You have to use more Force at 317 00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:56,900 the top of the backswing to start the downswing, gasps John 318 00:15:57,300 --> 00:16:02,400 and it and I jump from probably 113. 2119 because I was like a 319 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,800 good lesson, nicely done. It was very very simple and 320 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,700 something to something that I could actually do right away 321 00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:13,100 which was well soon as you speed the arms, up the leg speed up 322 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,600 and that's how they teach splinters to run faster and 323 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:16,700 faster. Arm swing. 324 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,000 Well, let's jump in here. Should we do? 325 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,400 What should we do? Mike, should we do about those 326 00:16:20,700 --> 00:16:22,900 Hostess since you? You have anything the putters 327 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:25,100 back there. Place the club across the top of 328 00:16:25,108 --> 00:16:27,300 your thighs and face us. Okay? 329 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:31,000 For golf posture and then right across the thighs K. 330 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,900 And so, if we just pivot back, gave notice how you're pivoting 331 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:38,400 around your left leg, that would make you a front post golfer. 332 00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:42,500 Now, I guess my question is, I know that like long drive, guys, 333 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:45,700 for instance, get more pressure on their, their, their rear. 334 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:47,800 That's not true. That's not true. 335 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:50,200 Who are the two that the two longest camera champ is the 336 00:16:50,208 --> 00:16:52,300 longest on the PGA tour, right? Yep. 337 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:56,400 And he's a front post golfer. I mean, you can look through the 338 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,400 price of the Shambo is front, post, one of the longest on tour 339 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,600 and it's a myth that you have to shift to the right to hit it. 340 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,599 Farther Yani, tseng 107 miles an hour fastest ever recorded the 341 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:11,500 LPGA Tour front post, they got her shifting to the right 342 00:17:11,500 --> 00:17:13,300 equipment, speeds, 94 miles an hour. 343 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,300 So the big shift to the right, didn't make a swing faster, you 344 00:17:16,300 --> 00:17:17,700 just swing slower and hit it worse. 345 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:19,599 Now. Mike is that do you just put 346 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:23,200 that The Testament? To that as that's not what she's 347 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,300 naturally designed to do. So that's why she swing slower. 348 00:17:26,300 --> 00:17:29,200 Is there something mechanical that she does different that 349 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,300 while he's moving to the right chemical because it's it doesn't 350 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:34,000 fit how she's predisposed to move. 351 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,600 Nick. What was your time you do that 352 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,300 post test as well? I don't know. 353 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:42,200 They do right. See I see he's more centered. 354 00:17:42,500 --> 00:17:44,400 He's coming around instead of not staying left. 355 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,700 Is that right? Like, did I do? 356 00:17:45,700 --> 00:17:47,700 Okay. Yeah, you didn't mess it up. 357 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,700 Love it so far so good. Mike. 358 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:55,800 Other thing that I've done with Scott Lynn was about mechanist 359 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:01,300 was hit golf balls on the left foot feet together and on the 360 00:18:01,300 --> 00:18:03,300 right foot and see which one is fastest. 361 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:07,600 Well, there's Stan left foot feet together and left foot 362 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,200 back. That was I developed that and 363 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,900 they use that and it shows the different Club at speeds of 364 00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:16,700 different positions. So there's three different ways 365 00:18:16,700 --> 00:18:19,500 that we do it, but they all become back to the same result, 366 00:18:19,700 --> 00:18:21,100 Nick you ever heard of that before? 367 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:24,300 Not that particular test. I mean I've heard Mike talk 368 00:18:24,300 --> 00:18:26,800 about it before but not really in great detail. 369 00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:30,200 So I'd be curious to study even here touch more about that. 370 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,900 Like which what the results are? We have guys once we test them, 371 00:18:34,300 --> 00:18:37,200 if we're not sure if the between front and center or between 372 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,800 Center and rear will have them get shots with the feet together 373 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,600 and then hit shots with the right foot. 374 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,600 Drop back, I left the drop back and they had more speed with 375 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,100 feet together. They're more centered. 376 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:50,900 If they hit it more with the left foot, drop back the more 377 00:18:50,900 --> 00:18:54,100 rear there. Having fit shorter between front 378 00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:56,000 and center. We have dropped, the right foot, 379 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,200 back about four inches apart just a little bit back and they 380 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,900 have hit shots and have them feet, hit shots with feet 381 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:04,300 together. We have a rack man behind them 382 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:07,400 and it gives us Club head speed, and solid as a Content. 383 00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:10,500 Don't think it's great When Corey and I are doing that test. 384 00:19:10,500 --> 00:19:13,100 Are you how are you determining? Which post? 385 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:15,500 We are visually when you're watching? 386 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,200 Well, I mean, you can pretty much see he's okay. 387 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,300 Can you see me? Yes. 388 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:29,100 Okay, what is my post? I would say other ear and I am 389 00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:30,400 rare. Correct. 390 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,800 If you see this what are you seeing front? 391 00:19:34,100 --> 00:19:37,900 And this is more sinner. Okay so you're watching, I 392 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:42,700 suppose the thoracic sway, how you can call it that that 393 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:45,200 measurement watching more down below where tort or you're 394 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,500 watching the bulbous more than a not much compromise. 395 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,600 Okay, gotcha. When you have someone on like 396 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:56,800 Catalyst to zap, Elvis thorax. When the make a backswing, you 397 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,200 can make the center of pressure move around in a multitude of 398 00:19:59,208 --> 00:20:00,800 ways. Which I know I understand that, 399 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,700 you know, when you see someone who might move their pelvis 400 00:20:03,700 --> 00:20:06,400 toward the target, but retain the forward. 401 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,300 Flexion at they had an address in that sagittal. 402 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:11,300 Maybe you see that Zach Johnson is a good example of that. 403 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,700 Exactly. Yeah, that's what we call, you 404 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:16,600 know. Basically, all he's doing is, 405 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,500 he's got creating a counter swivel because he's an under 406 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:23,400 grip and that's that way he can access his Donna Dimension, then 407 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,200 you have the other the counter tilt we where they are actually 408 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,800 real and they give it this way that you see them leaning back 409 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,000 to the lab. I'll be J saying or calmer 410 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,100 Gunnery. Sure. 411 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:38,400 Okay, how would you classify like Zac? 412 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,100 Then Zack is front, post is another golfers because his 413 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:43,700 pelvis moves towards the target. Okay? 414 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:45,600 I think I got it. Uh-huh. 415 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:52,400 Any other questions? Okay, then that clear I love it. 416 00:20:56,500 --> 00:21:00,400 This is the this is the side cover under, right? 417 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,600 Right? This gives you what it, what? 418 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,400 Your right hand should be on and your grip on the golf club, 419 00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:09,500 correct? Okay, okay, Cordy turns, that's 420 00:21:09,500 --> 00:21:12,200 right, hands together, right? Hand? 421 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,500 Slightly lower, okay, that's cool. 422 00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:16,800 As your shoulders and swing both arms are right, aligned the 423 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,000 right on depend. Okay, notice where your palm is 424 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,100 facing taking down. Yes, that's more side. 425 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:28,900 Cover the group is, is the Palm before, arm the shoulder and the 426 00:21:28,900 --> 00:21:33,700 elbow, the more the right, elbow goes up, the more on top you are 427 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,100 more the right elbow. Tucks. 428 00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:38,800 In the more under you are who are not work, some horse and 429 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:44,100 players that would be it would be in different positions than 430 00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:45,800 the. Those guys go ahead and put the 431 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,800 picture of Paul Casey and Okay, notice, Adam Scott on the right 432 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,900 is right, elbow tucks in Palm is facing more up. 433 00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:58,000 He is side under Paul Casey on the left is see how the right 434 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,300 elbow is gone back and up, he's more side cover, which is how he 435 00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:03,400 grips it. And the other is how Adam Scott, 436 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,800 fifth it. But we're talking to Paul crazy 437 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,500 and I said, so you're right. Hand needs to be more on top and 438 00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:10,500 you play. He says, I hit it best that way. 439 00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:13,800 He says, but my teacher, Peter kostis keeps moving my right 440 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,500 hand Square to neutral. And I said, so how do you hit 441 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:19,200 it? They get a terrible from there 442 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,500 but he says, I fooled them. I open the club face up and 443 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:25,800 address in essence, you move the right hand on top and he says, I 444 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,300 hit a great from there. I think, Adam Scott. 445 00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:30,200 Shaves, his forearms. Totally does. 446 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,700 Look at that anyway. Are you just jealous? 447 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:35,300 That is that why you said that was out there just a reaction? 448 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:38,100 The reaction? Yeah, fair enough. 449 00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:40,000 Like, I have a question about this one. 450 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,600 So, on the back swing, you're looking at Adam Scott while 451 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,000 Casey at this point, I'm neither of them would make a very 452 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,600 functional. Oh backswing moving like this. 453 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,200 So I'm wondering if that's true. Well neither one can swing like 454 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,400 this. Maybe I should start with that. 455 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:59,000 Adam Scott does took because there is some movement of the 456 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,900 shoulders and hips but we're just trying to isolate with the 457 00:23:01,900 --> 00:23:09,100 arm is going to do, they do know that like that's for sure. 458 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:13,500 The left arm the left or complexion and the pushing out, 459 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:15,000 that's different than how he would have it at. 460 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,500 We're almost at the point in time where is left humerus. 461 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:19,700 Parallel, the ground. That's not the orientation. 462 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:22,600 He would ever have that swing. He's got that further behind 463 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,300 him. So do you feel like this? 464 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,600 Let me answer the question. There would be there would be 465 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,700 pivot at that point the hips in there and show them the same 466 00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:34,000 thing that Paul Casey. He does move backing up his 467 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,800 right. Elbow goes back and his face 468 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,700 looks a lot more shut in the backswing. 469 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,600 Sure. So you feel like this test 470 00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:44,300 irrespective of the other recruitments of different joints 471 00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:49,300 and the different Mobility mode. We're trying to see is how the 472 00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:53,000 right arm works in the backswing because like the executor 473 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,800 forearm elbow and right hand is dictated, then that allows us to 474 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,500 put the right hand on correctly. Okay, so so in my case, as a 475 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:08,100 side cover, I need to crank my right hand, this way more 476 00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:10,500 correct, where you need a little more on top. 477 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:13,200 Okay. You're going to be you're going 478 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,200 to grip it. Like cupca. 479 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,500 Does more the way that you know camera champ. 480 00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:20,300 As a Bryson does or Paul Casey Rickie. 481 00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:23,900 Fowler, you know, Rory McIlroy Thomas Peters. 482 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,300 Alex noren, Patrick Reed. Martin Kaymer, those some good 483 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:30,400 cops. Those are good players. 484 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,100 Yeah. He should be a little more like 485 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:32,800 that. Cordy. 486 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,400 I should be it. I never do. 487 00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:39,900 You know it, you know like Zander Shockley. 488 00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:42,800 The right hands. More under Justin Thomas, Adam 489 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,700 Patrick can't lie, you know, John wrong, Fred Couples, Martin 490 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:49,400 trainer, there's a book. As a bunch of them and great 491 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,300 thing. Being in medalists, I'm even go 492 00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:54,800 up and test all of them. That's cool to have such 493 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,500 proximity to all those amazing players gives you such a good 494 00:24:57,500 --> 00:25:00,000 background in, seeing what the best in the world. 495 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,600 Do we write? Nothing works, right. 496 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,600 Hand is very much on top, that's why you cover the outside and 497 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,500 that's why he does what he does. I mean his swing really isn't 498 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,100 unusual because he swings the way he should. 499 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:14,900 According the grip that's great. I appreciate you hearing the 500 00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:17,400 saying that because I don't think that wolf swing is unusual 501 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,100 either. The way he does, the radial 502 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:22,100 deviation and somehow he pulls his arms apart in the backswing. 503 00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:24,900 Those are very noticeable but the rest of how he's really 504 00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:27,500 moving throughout. The swing isn't all that much 505 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:29,600 different from right hand for definitely. 506 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,600 So if that picture of Paul Casey that you had, I don't know if 507 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,200 you can throw that up one more time Cordy. 508 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,700 So if Paul Casey comes to you or any PGA Tour, player comes to 509 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:43,400 you and they say like in Paul's case I'm having a hard time 510 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,700 drawing the ball. Mike, I want to draw it more. 511 00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:50,100 Do you still Tell him to put the number three, pressure point, 512 00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:53,400 index finger or betrayal hand more on on the side or on top of 513 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,800 the shaft ever. So slightly, all you do is you 514 00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:02,600 shift the plane, you closed a stance, they can hit draws, 515 00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:05,800 allows them to hit up on me drawers, where the opposite of 516 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,800 for an under guy. Who's more predisposed, to draw 517 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,200 the gospel, you do Italy. You know, does you do it j.b. 518 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,500 Holmes? Does you do it? 519 00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:17,500 Zach Johnson is Dustin Johnson, John Ross. 520 00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:20,500 They open the stance up and shift the plane to the left. 521 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:23,400 It's just, you know, you don't have to try to manipulate 522 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,100 anything you just shift. Okay. 523 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,300 Now I want to hear from Matt a little bit. 524 00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:30,900 I know, you know personally talking to a lot of instructors 525 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,500 that have begun to understand this information from Mike and 526 00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:38,300 they've learned this how much do you see this impacting 527 00:26:38,300 --> 00:26:40,600 instruction? Some of these screens and 528 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,400 whatnot over the last, you know, few years. 529 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,100 But I think the work that Mike is doing, I think the work that 530 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:49,100 Nick is Doing. I think the work that people 531 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:53,300 like my friend, Mike Jacobs is doing your role, is Terry rolls. 532 00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:59,300 All of these people are, are people that and they don't, and 533 00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:02,700 they want to eliminate some of the folklore and golf 534 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:04,900 instruction. And I think that's a difficult 535 00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:08,000 place for some coaches to be in. Because if you've coached your 536 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,500 entire career based on an estimate or on a, you know, an 537 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:14,700 anecdote that somebody told her that it got passed down from 538 00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:17,000 some other teacher. It's, you know, it can be 539 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,200 threatening. To hear about information, that 540 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,100 might be contrary to what you coach or what you believe. 541 00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:25,400 But I think what's permeating golf instruction is real 542 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:30,000 information real measurements. And I think it's in special 543 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,600 coaches. There's a mixture of real 544 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,600 information with the Artistry of interpersonal relationships. 545 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,300 And, you know, the actual coaching part that is the people 546 00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,700 part and the coaches that are good at both of those things are 547 00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:44,400 ones that are flourishing, and I say it all the time. 548 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,400 We're in a awesome. Awesome hair. 549 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,300 Era for democracy of information, just look what 550 00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:53,300 we're doing now. We're in a place where we can 551 00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:56,500 share this stuff with with, as many people who are, who want to 552 00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:59,700 see it for free instantly and I think if you wanted to learn 553 00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:01,300 stuff. I Michael tell you stories about 554 00:28:01,308 --> 00:28:04,600 being a young professional, being had to drive himself 555 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,900 around the country and try to find the right mentors and by 556 00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:11,300 process of elimination and try to try to figure out, figure out 557 00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:15,200 what roads to go down. And then now you can, you can 558 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,600 find that information and all these different places you can. 559 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,000 Find mentors. You can you can learn different 560 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,900 things and figure out how to apply it. 561 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,600 And you can see that in some of the businesses and some of the 562 00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,600 profiles that a lot of coaches have been building, whether it's 563 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,300 on social media or videos they make and seminars, they give, I 564 00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:37,500 think there's never been a better time to flourish. 565 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:39,100 There's a golf instructor and there's never been more 566 00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:41,800 availability of great information. 567 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,400 And I think we're just now on the sorting out period where, 568 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,100 where some people are for still trying to Incorporating, what 569 00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:50,700 they do day in and day out? Well, they can find out more 570 00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:54,500 about our system because we're doing a webinar, starting 571 00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:58,000 Friday, ultimate golf lesson.com, they can find out 572 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,600 all the information about it. Yeah. 573 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,000 It's everybody. It's the biomechanist sits, it's 574 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,400 coaches coming together and talk about the ways. 575 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,400 They, they share it. I'm lucky that I get to spend a 576 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,200 lot of time. And I tend to gravitate toward 577 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:13,800 coaches, that, that want to know whether it's Randy Smith. 578 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,600 Dallas, you're so with, somebody was just a legendary coach, 579 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,200 who's got? Who's got Great information. 580 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,700 He's got an amazing touch with people. 581 00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:23,800 Spend a lot of time with Nick spent a lot of time with Mike. 582 00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:28,400 I'm lucky that I get to be around people that that are fun 583 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,800 to have a beer with and have a lot of information and are 584 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,900 committed to figuring out how to share it with people in the most 585 00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:39,300 effective way for the person in front of Mike. 586 00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:41,600 I think it's awesome that you and matter putting on this 587 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,900 event, I know you're doing most of the work and that's just 588 00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:46,800 going to sit there actually, it's generals myself. 589 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,600 And Matt and then we've got all the biomechanist still Cheatham 590 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,100 is on and Scotland and GP, Fernandez, and, you know, Mike 591 00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:58,100 Duffy and such. They're all going to be done. 592 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,300 I like all those guys. My only job is to be is just a 593 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:03,800 bit to mute people if they get out of line. 594 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,500 And I really liked that job. That's pretty good Matty's. 595 00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:10,100 Mention something, interesting. I want to get Mike's take on. 596 00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:13,400 You know, it's a little bit easier than it would have been 597 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,200 in that little hint there. If you read under the veil, but 598 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,700 Years ago, you couldn't just get online and produce content, get 599 00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:24,700 to be known as a teacher, irrespective of, who you taught, 600 00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:27,200 what you knew, nowadays is a little bit easier to do that, 601 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,200 not saying it's simple. I think there are some some 602 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,000 crazy stories of people coming out of no teaching background 603 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,900 whatsoever teaching tour. Players even seen it happen. 604 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,600 What's your take on the new wave of coaches, who are becoming 605 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,200 popular mainly from either, being making crazy social media 606 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,000 posts being a Face or just stuck to their keyboard a lot whether 607 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,100 they're have a positive or bowling attitude and helping 608 00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:55,300 that move themselves up in the profession. 609 00:30:56,100 --> 00:31:01,000 I think what one vulnerability in general, the gulf Pat golf is 610 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,200 a sport has and golf instruction as an element of that has has 611 00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:06,600 historically. I think golf has been behind, 612 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,100 whether culturally, you know, technically in terms of 613 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:12,100 technology, in terms of attitudes, the sport is behind. 614 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,600 And so, I think there are a lot of people that in golf coaching 615 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,800 who don't Have is firmer grasp on what technology can do as 616 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,600 others. And, and I think that, let's 617 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,000 some people take advantage of that of the of that vacuum and 618 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,400 fill the vacuum with information. 619 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,400 I think some of them haven't done a terrific job. 620 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,500 Some of them have probably been more damaging than others, but 621 00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:36,400 to go back to the previous Point, what I think is great 622 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,400 about it is you didn't, you don't have to have the luck of 623 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200 of going to be an assistant Pro for Mike Adams and, you know, in 624 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,300 1992 or for with Randy Smith or with Butch Harmon or Jim McClean 625 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:49,500 Or any of these people in painting. 626 00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:52,500 Yeah. Coach a coach could really give 627 00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:56,500 you an amazing grounding and what and how to teach you could. 628 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,900 You could be Mike Jacobs and grew up on Long Island and be a 629 00:31:59,908 --> 00:32:03,600 municipal golfer and and find your own way and find your own 630 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,700 information, and that's very appealing. 631 00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:08,500 I grew up in a factory town in Michigan, and I had to figure my 632 00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:11,500 own way and that's, that's appealing to me, for sure. 633 00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:16,700 And what's fascinating is there are players on tour who have 634 00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:20,400 chosen, Is based on Instagram post or they've chosen coaches 635 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,700 based on Twitter, a Twitter feed, and younger younger 636 00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:27,100 players who see that as a source of information and are 637 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,900 determining for themselves. If it's valid information or 638 00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:31,900 not, whether that means they're putting their coach through the 639 00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:35,200 paces to see if it works or they're just looking for a Hail 640 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,000 Mary because they don't have a lot of self-confidence yet that 641 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,600 those are all things that are fascinating to study. 642 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,500 Because those are the elements that go into determining, who 643 00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:46,900 championed are these days. You need to be able to not only 644 00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:49,800 figure out the the right thing to do for yourself, but have the 645 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,600 gumption and the self-confidence, Cento to know 646 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,200 what to discard, if it doesn't work and you know that you hear 647 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,300 from Brandel, Chamblee lot your where he's very hard on Modern 648 00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:02,800 and instruction and I think partially because he got some 649 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,700 instruct from they didn't like, but but I firmly believe that 650 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,100 you're the gatekeeper of your own game and whether you were 651 00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:13,700 playing in 1950 or 2,000 or 2020, you're responsible for 652 00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:16,600 what you do or don't do. And there, there certainly is 653 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,200 coaching. It's out there. 654 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,700 But you have a much better chance nationwide at a golf Tech 655 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:27,100 at a mid-range Country Club in America today, you have a much 656 00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:28,900 better chance. Thanks to the work of all. 657 00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,600 These people that were talking about right here of getting a 658 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,700 very good golf lesson. Then you have ever had in the 659 00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:38,100 history of this game because the bar the sort of passing grade, 660 00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:40,600 bar of information for a golf instructor so much higher now 661 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,800 than it used to be like, I think Matt cover. 662 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,300 Did he miss anything? I don't think so, basically. 663 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,500 I think online instruction has its place especially during the 664 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:55,800 lockdown, but if you can't see, people hit balls with the ball 665 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,400 flight is and what's going on? You can make assumptions and 666 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,800 make suggestions. And if it doesn't fix the ball 667 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,900 plates, not fixing the player. And then you need to be able to 668 00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:07,500 make them hit. It better and hit it more 669 00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:09,900 readily and be able to play because they have to take it out 670 00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:12,500 on the golf course. I mean there isn't you don't 671 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:14,300 take it. You don't take a golf swing and 672 00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:16,500 you get scored. Oh that was a 10 swing, put the 673 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:18,000 drive. Down the middle. 674 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,900 You actually have to hit the ball and when it comes right 675 00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:26,500 down to it, I mean, I would say 50% of my lessons around the 676 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:29,199 golf course because I have to teach them how to, once I get 677 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,000 him to hit it, I've got to teach them how to use it. 678 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,100 Yeah. I love the environment of like 679 00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:35,400 what we use and it sounds like you do some similar Mike. 680 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,900 We have such a sterile tightly-controlled, like petri 681 00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:44,500 dish in here where you get a lot done very quickly, but then once 682 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:47,000 that works done and you teach somebody to whatever chatted 683 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,300 like them, Um, to, whether it's a tiny drawer straighten, 684 00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:52,199 something out, or stop him that then it's time to go outside and 685 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:56,000 teach them how to play golf. So that's what we do to come 686 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,900 out. I love when I when I go to a 687 00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:01,200 golf text other thing, I love is the removal of variables and 688 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:06,400 there are a lot of coaches that have an intuitive nature that 689 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,000 can figure things out. But the process might take 690 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,000 longer because they they aren't taking one variable at a time. 691 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:14,300 And when you, and when you can go to a place like a golf, 692 00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:16,900 texting her and see how things are measured and see what 693 00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:18,500 variables. Actually in fact, what's going 694 00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:19,800 on? I know Mike, you and I have 695 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,000 talked about that a lot and the coaches that can do that and 696 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,700 understand that turning this knob by itself does one thing 697 00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:29,400 and turning. All the knobs at the same time 698 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,100 in different directions, those a different thing that you would 699 00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:34,600 be surprised if ya could die at that. 700 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,500 Level of sophistication is beyond a lot of coaches because 701 00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:41,400 they just start turning lots of knobs and that's got to be 702 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,200 extremely unsatisfying for a student. 703 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,100 I would think it doesn't need to be that way. 704 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,300 You can make golf as simple or as complicated. 705 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,200 Kate as you want but your instruction should not be very 706 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,500 complicated. If it doesn't have to be 707 00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:53,000 forever, you can be complicated under the hood, you know, the 708 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,500 yeah, absolutely. If you open mics brain up and 709 00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:58,900 looked inside it, open your brain up or we had a career at a 710 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,900 biomechanical conversation with you know, the 10 smartest the 711 00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:05,800 country, it can get pretty Next Level pretty fast. 712 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,800 But that the art is the art of a Mac of a Mac computer sitting on 713 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,100 my desk here. Is that it's super complicated 714 00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:13,600 but it doesn't look complicated to me. 715 00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:15,900 I'm just moving the mouse and it does what I wanted to do. 716 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,700 Yeah, hey, Mike in the, Five or ten years as your system of 717 00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:22,700 either measuring or teaching change very much. 718 00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:25,300 Well, you know, it's always evolving, you know, we're always 719 00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:28,000 looking for better ways to do it, better ways to say it, you 720 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000 know, we've added a couple of screens and, you know, 721 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,000 basically, you know, unfortunately, I've spent I've 722 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,400 spent a lot of time with the best players and best teachers 723 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:38,700 carry roles and I are together all the time. 724 00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:42,700 I travel all over the world with JP and also Scott, when I 725 00:36:42,707 --> 00:36:45,400 probably been to 70 countries with those guys. 726 00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:48,900 So when you go ahead and You work with somebody and you got 727 00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:50,600 300. People sitting there watching 728 00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:53,300 you and you got to make them hit it, better in five balls. 729 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,500 They don't know what you're doing. 730 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,600 Absolutely can't say it. Any better. 731 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,100 That's the fun part though. I know I get to practice that 732 00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:00,500 skill a lot. I know you do as well. 733 00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:02,800 We're having Terry on a Thursday. 734 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,500 You'll enjoy a. He's a brilliant guy and a 735 00:37:05,508 --> 00:37:07,700 phenomenal teacher. Yeah, I really liked. 736 00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:09,700 Are he's a, he's a fun guy for sure. 737 00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:15,600 My knee a 10 second delay, but we'll keep pushing them along. 738 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,500 Will fill some dead, are you? You want any dead Air with 739 00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:21,200 Terry? Oh, it's one of those stories. 740 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,200 Okay. All right, I got you. 741 00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:25,900 How about last question? I can think of to I think I 742 00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:27,400 slightly hinted on, but I'm curious. 743 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,800 So you mentioned tour, players? And how many of those that 744 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,700 you've seen over the years when a tour player does come to you, 745 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:35,700 do you start by asking them a series of questions, outside of 746 00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:37,100 what you do with the screening base? 747 00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:38,500 Or how do you get started with one? 748 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,100 Well, I asked him ice cream them, as for videos when they 749 00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:44,500 play their best, to see what they look like and go from 750 00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:46,700 there. I mean, each case is different 751 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,400 all I want. I know as much about them as 752 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,400 possible, how they take information in what their 753 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,800 learning style is. I also want to find out, you 754 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,000 know, any injuries things that they've done teachers, are they 755 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,000 worked with that? Is that they hit the ball? 756 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,600 Well under what sweet thoughts, are they had and you check them 757 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,500 out. I mean, the more information I 758 00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:06,000 have the easier. My job becomes like, that's 759 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,000 great and I appreciate your Viewpoint of, you're essentially 760 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,400 saying it's not all about what, you know, either, how much about 761 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,600 a swing, you know, that's the interpersonal skills that are 762 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,900 important asking the right questions that Order start dive 763 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:22,000 in on that problem. And I know hundreds of teachers 764 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,300 that have been loyal subjects and followers of your tutelage 765 00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:30,900 are all super guys and they have that skill well trained as well 766 00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:34,200 so I applaud you for everything you're doing and golf I know 767 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,000 it's I appreciate everyone who's trying to measure things for 768 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,100 sure. And I know you're always trying 769 00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:43,700 to improve what you do and get a little better at it every single 770 00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:47,100 day, so I think it's great. We've done for golf and for what 771 00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,300 you Continue to do. Well, I appreciate you saying 772 00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:50,900 that. Yeah, thank you guys for hanging 773 00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:52,500 out. This is this is finding you for 774 00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:54,700 your time. Mike and Matt. 775 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,200 And now I'm a front post side. Cover golfer. 776 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,600 I'm going to go figure out what that means tomorrow on the golf 777 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:07,100 course. Well you know your body will 778 00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:14,800 simulate that you can stop sweating Cordy. 779 00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:17,700 It's easy. I'll report back on Beeping, 780 00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:21,700 Milo, round tomorrow. Whatever were you playing 781 00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:25,900 tomorrow? Of course opens tomorrow. 782 00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:27,800 I got it. I got to get out at some point, 783 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,000 we'll see. Hopefully, I can get get done 784 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,100 some work and get out there and we have. 785 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:34,100 This is what our course look like, right? 786 00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:35,300 I think we're going to be shut down. 787 00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:38,900 At least till May here in Connecticut, so know you're 788 00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:41,200 never playing again. It's gonna start snowing again 789 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,900 in August. He was snoke coronavirus. 790 00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:49,300 They're not going to let us Because I supposed to be at the 791 00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:51,900 end of this month, I think we're going to get a plague of 792 00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:53,500 locusts. That's the next thing that's 793 00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,300 going to happen. Here is take pictures but on 794 00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:59,900 social media I want to see it tag me on that on that positive 795 00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:02,000 thought. Let's let them today. 796 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,400 Thank you guys to see you. Thanks.