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On the podcast, this past week, 
we had on Clay Ballard with top 

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speed golf. 
We had a great conversation on 

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what it takes or what are some 
Concepts that you can experiment

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with and explore to potentially,
hit the ball farther. 

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It was a great chat, hope you 
enjoyed that. 

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And then after we had that 
conversation, we went through a 

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round of quick questions with 
Clay so you could get to know 

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him a little bit better. 
What's your favorite piece of 

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gear? 
Could be anything that you've 

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gotten lately. 
That you really like, I'm big on

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so Snell, golf balls. 
I don't know if you've tried 

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those, it's not really gear but 
they make basically Dean snail, 

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the guy that invented the Pro V1
and and made a lot of the 

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TaylorMade golf balls. 
He's basically making a tour 

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caliber golf ball and they're 
about 32 bucks a dozen or 

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something like that. 
So I've been using those and 

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playing around for a while but 
man, it's I probably liked it 

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better than I used to. 
The projects. 

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I like it better in a probe edx 
and it's a little cheaper, so 

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it's pretty cool. 
Pretty cool, golf ball. 

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Nice. 
Nice. 

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Favorite Club in your golf bag. 
I've always loved it in the 

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driver and there's something 
about it and it far and I've 

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always been a pretty good driver
of the golf ball. 

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So I use a use a ping I15 
driver. 

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The things like I don't know how
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old. 
I've tried out all the new stuff

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and one and two and three all 
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and I hit this one way better 
than any of the new stuff so 

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that's probably not very good 
for selling drivers but that's 

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that's that. 
It's working for me. 

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There you go. 
What kind of like, what's the 

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shaft, or what's the specs of 
that club? 

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That's so magical. 
Yeah, I think that's it is that 

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you just get a feel for it and 
it just works really good. 

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So I get good launch and spin 
rates and all that kind of 

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stuff. 
And I feel like I can just, you 

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know, try to swing as hard as I 
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stay in the Fairway. 
So it's a, it's an active core 

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is the name of its UST Mamiya 
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It's a 69 G, extra stiff tipped 
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So, This works out. 
Good for my swing, I guess. 

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I agree. 
They still have finding a driver

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combo there. 
You can swing as hard as you 

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want. 
I've just recently found that 

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and there's something about that
that really helps. 

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You just like man I can just 
take a look at this thing and I 

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feel pretty good about it. 
Yeah talk about a good feeling, 

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you know because you get a 
driver sometimes and I just 

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don't fit you for whatever 
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I bought five hundred dollar 
drivers, trying to replace this 

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thing, and I'm on about my third
one, because just remember the 

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face cracks over two years, just
replaced it with Huh. 

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They used one off eBay. 
I think this one cost me 80 

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bucks. 
The last one. 

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There you go. 
That everybody hang on to your 

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eyes 15s and then sell them back
to clay at a another trash. 

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That's here. 
That's right. 

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Him up on Twitter. 
Hey, I've got another one for 

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you. 
Favorite Golf Course or golf 

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trip. 
Anything stand out to you. 

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The favorite Golf Course of all 
time is in is in Alberta Canada.

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I don't know the city name but 
it's a it's called Silver Tip. 

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This place is crazy. 
I went there when I was about 10

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or 11 years old, 12 years old. 
Something like that when I when 

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I first started playing golf on 
a family vacation and it's like 

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it's nuts. 
If you Google it, it's right in 

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the Middle East big mountains, 
it's crazy. 

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It's the best course of our 
played by far. 

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I will check that one out. 
Who's been a big influence on 

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your golf career as a teacher, 
as a golfer who do you look to 

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as your influences? 
I think a lot of it is just 

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growing up like in the right 
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So we always had a really good 
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the head pro. 
His son It was announced the 

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home town. 
I grew up in Bobby, Baldwin 

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still at Winchester Country Club
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And so, that was really good 
because John Baldwin his son and

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his older son, Robbie Baldwin. 
We all three played a lot 

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growing up and then we had a 
group of like, 20, guys, on our 

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golf team when we were in high 
school and he didn't let you the

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coach West Martin, would let you
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in like eighth grade. 
So it took it real serious and 

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there's always tons of guys to 
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This is really cool to be able 
to go Like a good group of 

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people to play with. 
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dumb luck just fallen into that,
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And then lightly, I know you've 
done some stuff with uh, Sasha 

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Mackenzie but I think he's 
really helped my my teaching 

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here a lot learning. 
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and motion, they're going in the
club and stuff like that, him 

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and Phil Cheatham have a great 
training that I highly recommend

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for anybody. 
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eye-opening for me. 
A lot of cool stuff in there. 

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That's very counterintuitive, 
not not things that you would 

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Think should be happening and 

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how that affects the golf club 
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You know, if you want to, you 
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to do a few things like shallow 
the club shaft in the early 

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transition really make that a 
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So that's, that's some good 
stuff in there. 

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What worries you the most about 
the golfers that you helped by 

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the golfers that you see in the 
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the most time, like, is the most
aggravating part is not 

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necessarily having the right 
information to say to someone 

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but saying, in a way to where 
it's Help them and be the 

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easiest to implement in their 
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So I try to put together a lot 
of programs and spend a lot of 

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time. 
Not only just throwing together 

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information, but going through 
and trying out multiple drills, 

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you know, which ones are going 
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somebody to try and see results 
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And sometimes that takes a lot 
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program doing that because you 
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20 different ways of saying 
something to figure out the best

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way to get it to click for 
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But you know that's that's also 
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It's kind of a little bit like a
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if it was easy. 
He probably be boring. 

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Hey I mean you're prolific at 
putting out great content over 

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the past year. 
What do you think has made the 

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biggest difference in your 
ability to get results for four 

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players just testing? 
Not used to never. 

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I think when I started teaching,
you know, you just have these 

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ideas and think all this is a 
great idea. 

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Like I got this Theory, right? 
And then you go out and you 

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start doing it and it's very 
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do this and drives me nuts. 
Is, they'll just have a theory. 

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We'll go out and start teaching 
it and if it's not working for 

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somebody then they just say, oh 
well he don't you just hasn't 

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gotten it yet or we'll just keep
doing this and a lot of times 

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I'll see players which I think 
is very frustrating for the 

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player. 
The work on something. 

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For three, four, five, six 
months and not be getting the 

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results that they want to get, 
but they just keep grinding away

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at it. 
And I just, I just don't believe

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in that anymore. 
Like just test it, if it works 

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and you should be getting 
positive results. 

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If it doesn't work, then just 
quit doing it and find something

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else. 
It's better, you know, Life's 

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too short to spend years 
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On some theory that may or may 
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you have some tack, what's your 
most used Tech in your testing 

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and you're trying to figure 
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What do you use the most? 
I use Radars all the time. 

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So I got a GC quad is the latest
radar. 

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I got and I got an older flight 
scope next to Ali. 

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That's a good radar. 
When you pick those up for 

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relatively. 
Well it's are all expensive but 

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relatively affordable. 
If you get a used one of those 

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now and that makes teaching so 
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Just because you talk about an 
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here's here's how this should 
change your impact. 

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Let's see your speed go up two 
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You make a swing and either it's
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Probably the one that's the best
for the consumer. 

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I don't do you mostly coaches or
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You think we're mostly golfers 
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We're about probably 60/40 70/30
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Yeah. 
So swing caddy makes the SC 200 

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which is a little portable 
radar, which shows your swing 

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speed and some different data on
there and those are really good.

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Those are probably about I think
they're about 300 bucks. 

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I like to use those a lot. 
We use those in our distance 

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clinics, you know, every person 
will have one while there while 

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they go into the clinic and then
just a little really easy to 

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use. 
Indoor product is the one that 

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we talked about is the swing 
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It's about 100, 120 bucks, or 
something like that. 

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I think the cool thing about 
that is you can practice your 

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distance, practice, making 
swings and get immediate 

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So, if you want to, you know, 
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five minutes. 
You want to make 1015 swings, 

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throw that thing down, make some
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feedback. 
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is right or wrong at least in 
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Any books not necessarily 
golf-related but books that 

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you've read lately, that you 
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Oh yeah, you have read a ton. 
I really like to I'm a big 

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audible or a yeah, yeah, 
audible.com the website. 

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I probably read a listen to how 
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but I'll listen to probably 40 
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But Peak by K. 
Anders Ericsson is like awesome 

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for coaching. 
If you're into coaching and 

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learning Fast. 
And you want to learn ways to 

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really improve your ability to 
pick up a new Motion, in your 

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golf swing or whatever. 
Then he's got a lot of good info

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in there, so it's a peak, like, 
the peak of a mountain PA K. 

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And it's by K, Anders Ericsson 
who's a big-time researcher and 

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in just a lot of basically ways 
to learn faster kind of came up 

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these famous a little bit for a 
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10,000-hour rule from what was 
the book, Malcolm Gladwell book.

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Outliers outliers. 
Yeah, yeah, so he's the guy that

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kind of came up with that 10,000
hour rule, it's not really. 

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different. 
It's not actually 10,000, it can

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be variable and I'm actually 
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in this podcast about one of the
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there, which I think is really 
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Love it. 
That's one of my favorite books.

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I think it's just well, written.
Easy to understand. 

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Yeah, not super difficult to 
read and some great, the great 

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research that it's trying to 
explain. 

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So yeah, I highly recommend that
one as well. 

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I would say it will end with 
this one, so you could write 

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something on every golfers, golf
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So, every time they look down 
before they hit a shot, they saw

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phrase or something that you 
wanted to impress on them. 

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What would you put there? 
Oh, that's a tough one. 

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Yeah, he's a little different 
for everybody if we're sticking 

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with the topic we're going over 
today which is distance is just,

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you know go ahead and rip it 
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Don't hold back and you try to 
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Everybody wants to slow down and
kind of steer the ball in the 

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Fairway and what ends up 
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You should it shorter and then 
you still don't really hit any 

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straighter. 
So it's always better to be 

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confident. 
Go ahead and make a good swing 

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at it and let the results come 
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trying to steer to go at it.