1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,500 You're listening to the golf science lab. 2 00:00:04,500 --> 00:00:07,300 We look at performance and learning through the lens of 3 00:00:07,300 --> 00:00:10,000 research. Hey, I'm your host, Corey 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,600 Walker. And today, we are back with part 5 00:00:12,700 --> 00:00:17,000 2 in our series on helping you to get better faster with 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,500 Coach's Corner Lundberg and Matt Wilson. 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,000 Today, we are diving into a bit of a Q&A last week. 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,500 We had this conversation around what it means to get better 9 00:00:25,500 --> 00:00:27,800 faster, what are some of the principles and foundational 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,000 elements? And today, we're answering a few 11 00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:32,100 Few questions then toward the ends. 12 00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:34,200 You know we just have a really honest conversation about this 13 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,100 whole thing of practice and learning Golf and how it's not 14 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:41,200 actually that easy and you know we all aren't that graded it and 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,700 I think you'll want to listen to make sure to stick around to the 16 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:48,600 end and here that also we have this giveaway is still going on, 17 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:50,300 they're giving away some free coaching. 18 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:53,600 All you have to do is get the book better faster leave a 19 00:00:53,608 --> 00:00:57,200 review on Amazon take a screenshot that review and tweet 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,200 at one of us golf science. Lab Cory format Really any way 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,300 for us to see that and you'll be entered to win. 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,200 Here's what you get. Yeah, we just had someone that 23 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,200 read the book contact us and ask us to come out and see them and 24 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,800 spend a day with them and then develop a proper ongoing 25 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,700 practice plan based on the assessment that we see so. 26 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,800 Well, I don't think it's realistic that we can come out 27 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,700 and see everybody in person because there's some other costs 28 00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:24,800 associated to that, what we would be happy to do. 29 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,000 And what I think would be of, a lot of value is 2. 30 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:30,900 Once someone, whoever our winner is Once they go through the 31 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:34,500 assessment plan is that we can be that coach that guides them 32 00:01:34,500 --> 00:01:38,500 along, you know, changing or editing the practice plan as 33 00:01:38,500 --> 00:01:41,200 necessary over time. So take a period of time, maybe 34 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,400 that eight-week plan and we will personally design it with tasks 35 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,900 that we think will make the biggest impact on their games 36 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,100 and then have some time throughout that eight week 37 00:01:52,100 --> 00:01:55,500 period, where we touch base with them, decide it for doing 38 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:58,600 enough, to move the needle, how we can change and alter the plan 39 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,700 and then ultimately give M, a good program to follow over a 40 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:05,300 long-term period of time to help reach their goals. 41 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:07,800 So we're excited about the opportunity to do that for 42 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,100 somebody, make sure to leave that review on Amazon, take the 43 00:02:11,100 --> 00:02:13,900 screenshot and tag one of us so you can enter to win that it's 44 00:02:13,900 --> 00:02:17,600 awesome. I think every golf instructor 45 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,700 should spend time understanding what's going on with the golfer 46 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:23,000 in the ground. And here's a great explanation 47 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,400 of why it from PGA Tour instructor Mark Blackburn from a 48 00:02:26,408 --> 00:02:30,400 coaching standpoint, whilst defeat may not be directly 49 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,300 responsible for what's going on. It's a little more ankle up. 50 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,200 The feet are a great proprioceptive Hue for players 51 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,100 and students because from a biofeedback standpoint, one of 52 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:43,800 the things that's really powerful about this is that the 53 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,700 student can actually see what they're doing the visual 54 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:50,100 representation of how hard they're pushing with the lead or 55 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:52,900 the trail foot the trout. Oh, the lead toe. 56 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:56,300 Now, all of a sudden you can actually use that to help them 57 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,400 control. What's going on here? 58 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,900 So it's kind of you're taking it from the other end up because 59 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:03,000 people are walking around all day long. 60 00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:05,200 The appropriate sections so good in their feet. 61 00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:07,700 If you want to learn more make sure to go through the body 62 00:03:07,700 --> 00:03:10,700 track certification. It's a fantastic program. 63 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,700 Highly recommend that you do that. 64 00:03:12,700 --> 00:03:15,500 You can learn more at golf science lab.com / body. 65 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,800 Track VOD. I tra que, if you go to that 66 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,100 link type that into your phone, you will be taken directly to 67 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:24,700 info on certification. So you can sign up and get 68 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:27,400 started or you can click on an image in the article along with 69 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,400 this episode to get all the details. 70 00:03:29,500 --> 00:03:36,600 I highly recommend that you do We are back with a little Q&A 71 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:37,700 today. Are you? 72 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:41,500 A comes from Fantastic golf instructor Derek Hooper, and he 73 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:43,300 loves the book and had a few questions for y'all. 74 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,900 So, I thought we'd ask when we talk about him here and we're 75 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:50,400 going to start with kind of this analysis question and talking 76 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,200 about skills testing. So he writes do they do skills 77 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,000 testing on the Range or do they ever watch players on the 78 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,400 course? And kind of a second part to 79 00:03:57,408 --> 00:04:01,100 that is, do they ever use rounds analysis rather than skills test 80 00:04:01,100 --> 00:04:04,500 for that portion? So what do you guys think? 81 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:08,400 I think those are great great questions, Cordy and I think the 82 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:13,000 the short answer is, it depends on specifically who that player 83 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,399 is what our relationship with them is to this point and if we 84 00:04:17,407 --> 00:04:19,399 even have one with them. So for instance, when we wrote 85 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:23,200 the book, I mean the whole entire vision for it was it was 86 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,500 something that that person could do independent of a relationship 87 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:29,300 with us, still get some valuable information about their game, 88 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,100 and start putting them in direction of sort of a path to 89 00:04:32,108 --> 00:04:34,900 Mastery, so to speak. But if we're looking at Our own 90 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:38,800 students, specifically ones who are really, really focused on on 91 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,500 scoring better and playing better and have significant 92 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:43,500 goals when it comes to their their scoring ability. 93 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:46,200 We definitely take them on the golf course. 94 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,200 There's there's no better test than the game itself and looking 95 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,600 specifically at Stats also help us to inform some of the goals 96 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,600 that they or we might set in conjunction with them with 97 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,200 regards to this big of specific outcomes that they're trying to 98 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,300 achieve from the practice plan. So I would say it's more of a 99 00:05:03,308 --> 00:05:06,600 360°. Ooh, look the tests, give us 100 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,900 some nice information, but in order to sort of fill the 101 00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:11,900 background. So to speak round by round 102 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:15,300 analysis, things from golf stat, lab shot-by-shot shots to hold 103 00:05:15,300 --> 00:05:18,000 things like that are incredibly important for sort of monitoring 104 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,100 progress and the initial establishment of goals. 105 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:22,600 And then also just seeing how they get around the golf course. 106 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,400 You might see, I guess a Quantified level of performance 107 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,900 in one particular area, but if you don't really see how it 108 00:05:28,907 --> 00:05:32,100 happens, you don't get the whole story and you might be misled 109 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,300 that they could be somewhat deficient. 110 00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:37,200 Maybe technically in a certain area when in reality it could be 111 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,200 a strategic issue. So there's there's a number of 112 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,600 different things that play. So I would say we take a pretty 113 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,300 comprehensive approach to skills analysis and assessment. 114 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,900 So it was the reason that you used kind of the on the Range 115 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:52,400 analysis assessment in the book just for Simplicity sake. 116 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,900 That that's a lot easier than having someone track five rounds 117 00:05:54,900 --> 00:05:57,800 of golf and then come back and go through that. 118 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,200 Yeah, I mean I think that realistically if we if it were 119 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,900 up to us we would be on the golf course. 120 00:06:02,900 --> 00:06:06,300 Looking at this because We, as Matt says, we get the most 121 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:07,800 realistic view of what's going on. 122 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,200 But the challenge that we have in the one that we try to tackle 123 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,900 with the book, is we realize that there's constraints and 124 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:20,000 that not everyone has the time and the access to a coach to do 125 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,800 this. And so when possible, you it's, 126 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,500 when it's not possible to go out there with a coach and and see 127 00:06:27,500 --> 00:06:31,300 these skills in real conditions. This is as close as we can get 128 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,600 to give us a snapshot of where the skills are so that we can To 129 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,200 develop a plan that that can improve the most important areas 130 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,900 or the most pressing priorities, Joshua. 131 00:06:41,900 --> 00:06:44,200 Gotcha. So if someone's reading this 132 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,400 book, if you know, if they're trying to get the most out of 133 00:06:46,407 --> 00:06:50,100 this, they go through this assessment on the Range. 134 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,500 How accurate do you think that's going to be like the assassin 135 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:55,800 you go through in the book of what your skills are on the golf 136 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,400 course? Have you found it to be 80% 137 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,900 accurate? 100% accurate, 50 percent 138 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:01,800 accurate. Yeah. 139 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,000 I think for what it's designed to do is to let us Us, look at 140 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,700 the skills and then the layers of that skill. 141 00:07:07,700 --> 00:07:11,900 So say for finesse wedges, the first layer of that is, can you 142 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:14,400 make solid contact? And then from there, can you 143 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,900 control your distance? Can you control your trajectory, 144 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:20,900 can you control your spin for? So for that aspect, it's 100% 145 00:07:20,900 --> 00:07:23,800 effective but it doesn't take into account, some of the 146 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,100 tactics, some of the decision, making some of the softer skills 147 00:07:27,100 --> 00:07:30,600 to actually playing golf just because it's impossible to do 148 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,300 and we're in this environment or when you don't have someone that 149 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:39,500 Can provide a little bit more nuanced, observation of 150 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:42,500 performance. So it's for what it's designed 151 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:44,000 to do. We think it's very effective. 152 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,800 Yeah, it certainly as Corey alludes to sort of serves as as 153 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,700 that Compass their kind of starts pointing Us in the right 154 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:53,500 direction but as again, other to doesn't necessarily provide a 155 00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:56,800 perfect picture of what's going on because a lot of those game 156 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,800 elements so to speak, just aren't necessarily. 157 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,200 There are very difficult to recreate in a Range environment. 158 00:08:02,300 --> 00:08:04,100 So I'm just looking in the book here. 159 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,600 We've got the 21 ball test, we had all these different shots, 160 00:08:09,100 --> 00:08:14,200 draw fade, Lohi, Etc. And you kind of analyze that and 161 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,400 rate yourself using some of these, these plans you've guys 162 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:19,700 laid out. It's awesome. 163 00:08:19,700 --> 00:08:22,000 It's really cool question for you. 164 00:08:22,300 --> 00:08:26,300 My buddy is a let's just say 15 handicap doesn't really have 165 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:28,900 much control of his ball flight, right? 166 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,600 How does he go through something like this? 167 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,400 He doesn't really know how to hit some of these shots, right? 168 00:08:33,500 --> 00:08:36,100 So he's is he Going to not do out this assessment and then be 169 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:38,700 led to a different place or how do you deal with that? 170 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,500 Not so great golfer. That's why there's different 171 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:43,200 areas that were grading on that test. 172 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,900 So it's not just did you hit the shot? 173 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,800 The intended shot. You were looking at each layer 174 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,200 of that skill. So the first one is, did you 175 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,000 hit? You hit it solid. 176 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,200 And your, you're having this little moment of reflection 177 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,300 after each trial where your if you had a poor shot, you're not 178 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:02,400 just raking over another ball. You're trying to evaluate well 179 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,200 what aspect of this skill, am I struggling? 180 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,300 The most with. And so for the 15 handicapper 181 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:09,600 that may not have as good enough concept to be able to hit 182 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,500 different kinds of shots, they're going to be pointed 183 00:09:12,500 --> 00:09:16,000 towards the most pressing piece of that skill, which is going to 184 00:09:16,008 --> 00:09:19,700 be, am I hitting it solid? Most likely and then from from 185 00:09:19,700 --> 00:09:23,000 the results of the test, they'll be pointed to a practice plan 186 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,900 that is designed to attack that directly just sort of building 187 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:29,400 on what Corey said. I think when I know we work with 188 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,000 higher handicap golfers or middle handicap golfers their 189 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,200 concept of why they're struggling to have more control 190 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,500 over their ball is often absent and by going in, as Corey said, 191 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:43,900 and looking at the layers of the skill, specifically contact 192 00:09:43,900 --> 00:09:47,400 start line curve at cetera, they start to get a better 193 00:09:47,500 --> 00:09:49,700 understanding, a more clear picture of a really what it is. 194 00:09:49,700 --> 00:09:53,000 They need to do and having that laser-like focus on that one, 195 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,600 critical variable stands to serve them them quite well over 196 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,600 the long term and more so we menacing as they go through 197 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:05,200 those plants. I want to kind of dive deeper 198 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,000 into this question. He asks, do you ever use round 199 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,400 analysis rather than skills test kind of getting into that? 200 00:10:11,500 --> 00:10:12,400 I'm guessing the answer is. Yes. 201 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,400 You guys do some analysis tools to look at to look at rounds. 202 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,400 Is that right? Yes, absolutely, yeah, yeah, 203 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,700 with all of our clients, whether they be professional or 204 00:10:21,700 --> 00:10:24,800 Collegiate, or high-performing Juniors, or even recreational 205 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,100 players that are committed enough to input rounds, we use 206 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:31,400 golf stat lab, which you know, outside of PGA Tour where you 207 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,300 have shot. Hot link and you're able to 208 00:10:33,500 --> 00:10:38,800 really dig into this robust set of performance metrics golf. 209 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,800 Stat lab is one that we found that most closely duplicates 210 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,300 that. And so, yeah, I would say that 211 00:10:46,900 --> 00:10:51,100 more important than a skills assessment is the stats and 212 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:53,700 being able to look at what's really going on in the golf 213 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:56,200 course, which areas are holding someone back, perform 214 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,300 performance, and we've talked about the title of the book 215 00:10:58,300 --> 00:11:00,600 better faster. I think that if there's one 216 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,000 thing that can accelerate Your improvement and how efficient 217 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,400 your practice time is. You would have to look at Stats 218 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,200 and what is actually occurring on the golf course. 219 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:14,000 And what areas present the, the largest room for improvement. 220 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,300 And on that same note, perhaps on a different line of 221 00:11:17,300 --> 00:11:18,600 reasoning. It's also really important to 222 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,100 know what you're good at. And I think even in light of the 223 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:24,800 book, often people should say, in light of the title of the 224 00:11:24,808 --> 00:11:26,900 book being better faster. A lot of people don't 225 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:29,900 necessarily recognize that paying adequate attention to 226 00:11:29,900 --> 00:11:31,800 your strengths. It is really important. 227 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:34,500 Portent because if you compromise a strength at the 228 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:37,600 expense of improving a weakness, you just end up in the same 229 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,500 place. So it's important to identify 230 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:42,600 both what you're doing. Well, and that area of 231 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,800 opportunity that has the greatest potential for growth 232 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,000 for you and and attacked both with bigger and focus. 233 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:51,500 How do you guys tease out what someone is actually? 234 00:11:51,700 --> 00:11:53,900 Because I know that stats can sometimes be misleading. 235 00:11:53,900 --> 00:11:57,000 Is one thing leads to another thing, making it look like it's 236 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,700 worse than it actually is. And there can be some level of 237 00:11:59,700 --> 00:12:03,500 complexity there and not just saying, Go, you're not hitting 238 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:05,400 greens, you need to go practice your irons. 239 00:12:05,900 --> 00:12:08,200 Like, how do you guys tease that stuff out? 240 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,600 And that's a great question Cordy. 241 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,300 And I think it goes back to what Corey mentioned in terms of. 242 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:15,000 There's there's layers of skills within a skill. 243 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:18,700 And if we see someone who doesn't statistically hit, a lot 244 00:12:18,700 --> 00:12:23,000 of greens, and we take them through a 21 ball test, for 245 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,800 example, and they do incredibly well, that's sort of a big, big, 246 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,200 big alarm Bell or a big light bulb for us saying, you know, 247 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,200 what this particular Essentially is really far from a technical 248 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,800 Challenge and I think it's important for us to look at 249 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,800 areas of opportunity and extending Beyond just that 250 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,700 technical clarify my concept bit and that's what we go into. 251 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:47,300 All these different quadrants sort of throughout that book and 252 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:50,600 the task design Matrix which underpins the book and it's 253 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,100 looking at the execution of the skill, not just from that 254 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:55,100 technical perspective, but from the others as well. 255 00:12:55,300 --> 00:12:58,200 Yeah, just to add to that. I think that it would depend on 256 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,400 two different factors. One, the quality of your stats. 257 00:13:00,700 --> 00:13:04,200 So as Referred to as golf's at lab, we have strokes gain 258 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,700 metrics for each area of the game. 259 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:08,800 And so by Nature that's isolating certain parts of the 260 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,600 game. So they're not combined with any 261 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,500 other area. So when we're looking at your 262 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:14,400 Strokes gained putting, it's a true look at. 263 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,900 What's the quality of our, how good is the performance on the 264 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:20,900 greens and then we can tease that out even further. 265 00:13:21,100 --> 00:13:23,100 We know what you're won. Putt percentages from four to 266 00:13:23,100 --> 00:13:26,300 eight feet. How that compares to a PGA Tour 267 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:28,800 player or a player of similar ability. 268 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:34,700 And then the other part of that is, This stats analysis has to 269 00:13:34,700 --> 00:13:38,100 be coupled with a really good debrief with the client. 270 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,500 So the first usually, 10 minutes of a session with the player is 271 00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:45,300 digging into the stats because as you say, it doesn't tell us 272 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:47,600 everything. And there may be circumstances 273 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,300 that were not aware of that are contributing to to the the 274 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:53,300 scores. And so we want to combine that 275 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:54,800 with a really good evaluation with them. 276 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,400 And often times it creates this really good opportunity for for 277 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,700 a player to reflect on around in a way that that's more. 278 00:14:01,900 --> 00:14:05,100 Meaningful than they may have done otherwise and they kind of 279 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:07,200 figure out some things on their own and it just points Us in the 280 00:14:07,208 --> 00:14:10,000 right direction from from there. If you combine stats with a 281 00:14:10,008 --> 00:14:14,000 really good debrief of recent performance, it's really easy to 282 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,300 know where we should be headed and which areas we need to put 283 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:20,500 most of our attention on gotcha. So what I'm going to hearing is 284 00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:25,100 that maybe you know just one of these things by itself, there 285 00:14:25,100 --> 00:14:27,500 could be some holes in that and by combining a few of these 286 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:30,200 processes, whether it's round analysis with the skills 287 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,900 assessment with the debrief. Like Like you can really start 288 00:14:32,900 --> 00:14:36,400 to put the picture together and find out what's actually going 289 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,400 on because it could be something that that's hiding in. 290 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,500 Just one of these, these ways to assess people that can write. 291 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,200 Yeah. I think it also, just depends on 292 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,500 everybody has these constraints, whether they be time, 293 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:50,200 constraints, facility, constraints access to a coach 294 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,900 that can guide us towards these, these secret areas I guess is, 295 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,300 as you refer to. So, you know, it would be great 296 00:14:57,300 --> 00:14:59,400 to have all of these but it's just not always realistic. 297 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,800 And that's part of the reason why we wrote the book Is we 298 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,300 wanted to keep in mind those players that may have a 299 00:15:07,308 --> 00:15:09,700 constraint on time. It's not their full-time. 300 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:13,400 Job to play better. It's something that's a hobby 301 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,500 for them. And the time that they do have 302 00:15:15,500 --> 00:15:18,100 and that they are able to allocate to getting better and 303 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:19,700 we want them to be able to make the most of it. 304 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:22,000 And so to give them a few different tools at their 305 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,400 disposal based on, you know, whatever constraints that they 306 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,400 have, and what they're able to do, to give him the best shot at 307 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,700 getting better. That's an example that we put in 308 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:31,700 the book of an eight-week training. 309 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,200 Training program but it's not always the one that we would use 310 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,600 and I've used a few different ones and it really it's based on 311 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,800 how much information a player is going to have during that time. 312 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,500 So we may choose, if we know they're only going to play one 313 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:48,900 time a month. Eight weeks may not be the most 314 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:52,900 appropriate time period because we want them to have some info 315 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:56,600 and some data that shows some progress towards the goals that 316 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,100 we've set. And so if we're working hard on 317 00:15:59,100 --> 00:16:02,200 our game and we only were able to put it to test, Two different 318 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,700 rounds. Then we may get discouraged or 319 00:16:04,700 --> 00:16:08,500 we may affect motivation when we don't show a lot of tangible 320 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:11,600 progress towards those goals. And on the other side, we may 321 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,000 have players that are involved in a lot of events, a really 322 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,700 dense tournament schedule. And then if that's the case, we 323 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:21,100 would we would shorten that feedback loop down to a week. 324 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,200 And so it really just depends how often the player is playing 325 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,100 in able to put some time towards their action, steps that we've 326 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:30,200 defined for them in that and that practice plan, that makes 327 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,600 sense. Corey and it make sense of that. 328 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,700 Changes, depending on the player, depending on what 329 00:16:33,700 --> 00:16:35,800 they're up to. And that kind of leads into this 330 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,800 other question that Eric had here in was. 331 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,500 How does that eight-week plan differ for an average player 332 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:43,900 verse and Elite player? Was that a hard question to 333 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:47,300 answer, like, because they just, they're completely different or 334 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,400 are they somewhat similar? I wouldn't pose that question as 335 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,300 average player or better player. I think it's a function of how 336 00:16:55,300 --> 00:16:58,000 committed they are and how much time they have at their 337 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,900 disposal. So I wouldn't make a 338 00:16:59,908 --> 00:17:03,800 differentiation based on skill. And how I put together that 339 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,300 practice plan, because essentially, that practice, 340 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:11,500 plans function is to create a goal, a clear sense of purpose 341 00:17:11,500 --> 00:17:14,700 when they go out to practice. Some very defined action steps 342 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:17,500 that they can follow that will contribute towards that goal, 343 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:20,200 and then just ongoing feedback for how they're doing. 344 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,099 And if they are making progress you know that provides this 345 00:17:23,099 --> 00:17:27,099 motivation of I want to continue if they're not making progress 346 00:17:27,099 --> 00:17:29,700 towards that goal, the feedback tells them hey you may need to 347 00:17:29,700 --> 00:17:31,600 change something about how your attack. 348 00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:34,400 Aking this. And maybe we redo their practice 349 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,600 plan, so that wouldn't change based on ability level, it would 350 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:42,000 change based on my being realistic about this golfer and 351 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,200 their ability to actually go through these steps. 352 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,000 So more than likely someone who's not all that committed and 353 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,400 who I don't feel like has the motivation to or maybe the time 354 00:17:53,700 --> 00:17:56,200 to really dig into one of these practice plans. 355 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,000 I may condense it down to something that better fits what 356 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,600 they're what they're actually able to do. 357 00:18:01,900 --> 00:18:05,800 Yeah, I would say a golfer is a golfer as a golfer, and as Corey 358 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,300 said, it's really sort of the time commitment and motivation 359 00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:12,800 of that player that determines how content-rich that practice 360 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,700 plan is because ultimately it will have a pretty similar 361 00:18:15,700 --> 00:18:19,200 structure but it just might have goals that are more aligned to 362 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,400 really what is feasible as far as what can be obtained from 363 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,400 from that golfer based on their time commitment and motivational 364 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,200 resources. So that's one of the questions. 365 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,300 If you are going to create a practice plan for me, we'd have 366 00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:33,000 we have some type of assessment Set of skills but also an 367 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:38,100 assessment of how much time I have and what the facilities are 368 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:41,700 at my, you know, that I can use. That's part of that, that 369 00:18:41,700 --> 00:18:43,700 questionnaire that happens before you create a practice 370 00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:46,400 plan for sure. And then on that is also like 371 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,900 availability of time to play golf. 372 00:18:48,900 --> 00:18:52,400 You don't want to in my opinion, sort of take away that that time 373 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,700 because ultimately that's what they're trying to do is is play 374 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:57,200 golf and play as an incredibly important role in their 375 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,300 Improvement. And so it's really looking at 376 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:01,600 how much am I playing how much do I want to play? 377 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:05,200 How much time and energy do I have available to spend on this? 378 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,500 And those are two really honest things that we make sure that we 379 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:13,100 work with people really upfront and in that whole process before 380 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:15,000 we sort of dive into that practice plan. 381 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,300 So to speak, how much does a practice plan change? 382 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,800 Do you think and like, what are some of the factors that 383 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,700 dictates that that plan changing? 384 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:26,400 Is it if someone is really struggling with a, you know, 385 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,400 with with something, if they, you know, if they don't have a 386 00:19:29,408 --> 00:19:32,200 lot of time or they suddenly had a lot of time and they More time 387 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,600 than you thought, like, what are some of the factors that will 388 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,900 commonly change change of plan that you set for? 389 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:39,200 Let's just say, like, they weeks? 390 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,200 Yes. So, let's just take the time 391 00:19:41,300 --> 00:19:43,100 Point. Let's say we've got a player in 392 00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:44,800 front of us, that doesn't have a lot of time. 393 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:50,800 Typically, our practice plans are going to include some, some 394 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:55,200 tasks that are going to touch on a variety of different skills. 395 00:19:55,700 --> 00:19:57,500 So if we know that time is an issue. 396 00:19:57,500 --> 00:20:01,100 Well, then we're just going to pick a primary goal and the one 397 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:04,500 most Urgent pain point that that golfer has and we're going to 398 00:20:04,500 --> 00:20:07,000 design, you know, three or four tasks that they have to do every 399 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,300 single time you know. And we're also really careful 400 00:20:09,300 --> 00:20:11,600 and making sure that these practice plans. 401 00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:14,400 Our task-based and not time-based so we're not going to 402 00:20:14,408 --> 00:20:16,700 tell them to go practice for two hours. 403 00:20:16,900 --> 00:20:19,900 We're going to say hey these are the three to four things that 404 00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:22,600 you need to check off the list every time you go to the 405 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,400 practice facility and once you're done, you're done so 406 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,500 that's one way that they would change the other way that they 407 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:31,500 would change is if we weren't moving the needle. 408 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:34,500 And this happens, you know, this happens with with good players. 409 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:37,500 We've set a primary goal, supporting goal in a secondary 410 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:40,700 goal and we're just not moving the needle enough. 411 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:44,000 So then as coaches we have to step back and say why is this 412 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,100 happening? A is the player really going 413 00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:51,100 through everything with the kind of detail and in structure that 414 00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:55,600 we need them to and if they are and we know that they're doing 415 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,900 all the right things and we've got to take a hard look at the 416 00:20:57,900 --> 00:21:00,800 plan that we created and try to figure out why it wasn't 417 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,200 effective. So then we go back and we headed 418 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,900 it. And, you know, that because we 419 00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:08,900 have we're keeping kind of real-time stats with through 420 00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:12,200 golf stat lab, and we're able to look at at each round and what's 421 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,500 getting better or not getting better. 422 00:21:14,700 --> 00:21:17,600 Then it allows us to kind of change that on the fly. 423 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,000 So it's as coaches, that's a big part of our job as we're 424 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,300 monitoring that and changing it as we see fit. 425 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,700 Yeah. It's just boils down to this 426 00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:29,000 correlated to being responsive and adaptive to the needs of the 427 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:31,500 person going through it in real time. 428 00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:34,100 It might be dialing up. The difficulty might be dialing 429 00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:36,700 down the difficulty of might be removing a task adding a task. 430 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:40,700 It's sort of this open jar into which we put or take things out. 431 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,700 How do you make sure that you're not being reactive though? 432 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,200 If you have all that communication all that feedback 433 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,800 from a player and and the practice plan isn't just based 434 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,700 on you know, their feedback in that might be emotional or you 435 00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:55,100 know, just reactive to what happened that day when there are 436 00:21:55,100 --> 00:21:58,000 ups and downs like how do you make sure that it is processed 437 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,400 kind of focused? Yeah, and and I think that's 438 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,800 where you have to Really look closely at what is what is 439 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,900 variability like what's the noise brought on in the 440 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:11,000 fluctuation? That is just literally accounted 441 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,400 for in terms of just normal variability and then what is 442 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,500 actually a physical change which is difficult to do and it takes 443 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:22,200 time which is why things like stats are so important and then 444 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,300 sort of having that good Baseline of information and 445 00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:30,900 typically when we see variation that is sort of less than 30% of 446 00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:33,600 what is normal? Then that would be considered 447 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,900 just just noise but anything over and beyond that would be 448 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,200 sort of the effect of that training. 449 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,800 And so really looking at it and sort of a spouses to the need to 450 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,300 have that ongoing statistical component to Once training and 451 00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:50,300 play. And then also having some 452 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:53,400 baseline which is what we tried to provide every golfer through 453 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,500 this book by that they can go back to to sort of determine the 454 00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:00,500 ultimate effect that that training has had on the only 455 00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:03,200 thing that we would add I kind of have a in the book, there's 456 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,400 this choose-your-own-adventure kind of mind that it has the 457 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,000 answer a few different questions which are designed to point you 458 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,500 to the right area. And hopefully you know by tree 459 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:16,600 answer to that to your question was you've got to depend on an 460 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,000 expert coach? That's not going to be reactive 461 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:23,300 and is has enough experience to know when to pull the plug on 462 00:23:23,300 --> 00:23:27,400 certain things and when to make those edits, but in the absence 463 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,700 of that we tried to provide in the book, a tool that you can 464 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:33,600 use that would Almost answer the questions that we would be 465 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,500 asking as a coach to point us to the right direction to know, 466 00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:39,600 okay? We need to go this area with our 467 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,100 practice plans, and this is how we would edit because we didn't 468 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,600 want the book to be. You read it once and then you're 469 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,600 done, we wanted you to be able to recycle it and go through the 470 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,300 the assessment and the those kind of mind maps over and over 471 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:55,200 again, to because our skills and our confidence in different 472 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,900 areas are always fluctuating. It's just a reality of golf so 473 00:23:57,900 --> 00:23:59,900 we want it to be something that will conserve you over a long 474 00:23:59,900 --> 00:24:01,300 period of time. Got it. 475 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:03,900 If we're looking at this, you know, and kind of just 476 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:07,500 theorizing on how people learn and how people practice, what is 477 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:09,500 your guys thought on that? That idea that people are 478 00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:12,500 reactive in their, in their practice, the reactive in their 479 00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:16,000 training and do you think coaches fall into that trap as 480 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,400 well of, you know falling into that when a student comes to 481 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,500 them and says I'll man you know we got to work on my driver. 482 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:26,000 I just you know I hooked it out of bounds there and on 18 in the 483 00:24:26,008 --> 00:24:28,400 reality is they're doing just fine they just happen to hook 484 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,800 one out of bounds. Like we all do. 485 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:36,000 I'd say 100% guilty as charged have been definitely reactive 486 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:38,400 on, probably more occasions than I'm proud of. 487 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,400 But I think that's, you know, part of learning and partying, 488 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,100 you're getting better. But I would say as a, whole 489 00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:46,300 golfers for the most part are reactive. 490 00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:50,500 They're very very quick to abort Mission and generally just try 491 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:52,100 something different on every shot. 492 00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:55,300 And while we speak to the importance of conceptual Clarity 493 00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:57,800 and conceptual understanding and having the ability to detect and 494 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,300 correct errors, I think it's also a pretty fine line there 495 00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:04,300 where Become very quick to do that. 496 00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:08,100 And consequently something that just maybe again, normal 497 00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:12,100 variability within a round of golf could stand to be a turning 498 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:13,900 point, that that may take things off the rails. 499 00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:15,900 And so, I think it's just important to have that sort of 500 00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:21,400 measure twice cut once approach. And making sure that the course 501 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,900 that you set for yourself is the limit that you stay on such that 502 00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:29,200 can accurately assess, whether or not something is just normal 503 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:37,300 noise or actual It. If it is really almost as simple 504 00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:41,600 as what is variability, like, what is a normal fluctuation in 505 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:47,600 performance, which is 30% of within 30 less than 30% of what 506 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,700 normal variability would be. So if you took an average in a 507 00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:53,100 standard deviation, anything, greater than 30%, of your 508 00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:56,400 standard deviation would be training effect and that would 509 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,800 be grounds for intervention or the justification to suggest 510 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,600 that an intervention worked. Anything less is noise obviously 511 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,300 need a really Data set to be able to do that but that's the 512 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:10,900 difference between noise and effect. 513 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:15,300 Is this variation within third 30% of what is normal. 514 00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:19,600 So standard deviation of an average to the basically the 515 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,600 degree of the variance around the mean, so that determines 516 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,300 whether or not it is in effect or if it is, just again noise. 517 00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:31,000 So how do I explain this to my to my men's league buddies that 518 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,400 we play together twice a week and they're 10 handicaps and I 519 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,100 mean, how do they understand this concept of of not being not 520 00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:41,600 being reactive in their, in their practice, not being 521 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,900 reactive in there and their thought process? 522 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,100 Yeah. And so I would say, I would say 523 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:51,200 if you hit balls on let's say the side of a football field, so 524 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,500 you get on on one of the one of the boundary lines and you hit 525 00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:57,500 20 shots, how many of those shots would go on the boundary 526 00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:58,600 line? Probably not. 527 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,100 And so let's take out some outliers. 528 00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:04,500 So, we'll take out the, what's so I guess a normal distribution 529 00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:06,000 is what? Percent. 530 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,600 So you take out your three worst and so would we look at sort of 531 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,800 that cluster so to speak? That should be your expectation. 532 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,800 So to me it all just boils down to expectation and then your 533 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,500 goal with trading is to gradually make that a smaller 534 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:25,300 cluster and so that's making your bad balls better more than 535 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:27,300 anything. It's sort of tightening and 536 00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:30,700 making that variability around average much smaller and to me, 537 00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:34,300 that is the value of better faster, is that it provides 538 00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:38,100 golfers with that. Tway in a systematic fashion to 539 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:41,200 sort of reduce the variability of the outcomes, they produce by 540 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,500 through effective training. Yeah, it's add-on. 541 00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:47,800 That is the the part that is assumed here is variability and 542 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,000 there is some degree of it deciding on what that number is. 543 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,600 While Matt may have a good formula for us, that's in 544 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,600 handicap buddy in your men's league is probably not going to 545 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,100 have a sufficient data set to determine that. 546 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,000 So he just needs to know that there's variability, that's part 547 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,600 of this process of getting better. 548 00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:08,800 And I think that Mindset and just that realization is a 549 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,700 helpful thing to keep in mind, so that that they aren't too 550 00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:15,000 reactive and changing up a practice plan. 551 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,900 But in maybe even a Cordia a better answer to all this. 552 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,900 Is that having a plan? It makes it a lot easier. 553 00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:26,600 Not to be reactive because if we don't have a plan at all, we 554 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,000 don't have these clear goals that were chasing after. 555 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,300 Well, then every time we go to the range where reacting to the 556 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,200 blast range performance or the last round but when you've got 557 00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:38,300 Got a really clear-cut practice plan that's organized. 558 00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:42,200 And based on what our goals are, I think it can be. 559 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,900 It can save us from from changing around plans and going 560 00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:48,400 through that cycle of just reacting to the last shot of the 561 00:28:48,408 --> 00:28:52,000 last poor performance. Did that plan, as course, 562 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,700 eloquently stated definitely serves as an anchor. 563 00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:01,100 Let's try to make this as real as possible, maybe and let me 564 00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:04,400 get honest. So I went to the range today for 565 00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:07,000 let's say, 45 minutes. Then I played a quick nine holes 566 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,300 and I'm trying to figure out what is a plan, right? 567 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,800 And in, to be honest, I don't feel like I have a plan, and I 568 00:29:12,808 --> 00:29:15,900 feel kind of like an idiot, because I know a lot, and I 569 00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:20,100 probably should write, like, I'm kind of a hypocrite. 570 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,300 And so, like, here's the, here's the thought is, I'm working on 571 00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:27,300 Tempo, training lately, so hitting shots of 60, 80, 100 572 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:31,700 percent, Or even less working on balance, and working on feeling 573 00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:33,700 pressured, in my feet. And so, I have these kind of few 574 00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:36,000 things like that, I work on when I have time. 575 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:40,000 And then I think about, is that a plan or what is a plan? 576 00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:43,400 I think those are tactics. Those are like, what are you 577 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,500 working on those things to, what end? 578 00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:49,800 So what are you trying to improve by using? 579 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,400 What sounds like are really effective tactics. 580 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,000 So what I would ask you is, well what ball-striking metrics? 581 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,800 Are you looking at that? It's going to provide you some 582 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,900 signal as to your progress or lack of progress. 583 00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:05,700 That would then indicate that maybe you need to mix up your 584 00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:09,000 tactics a little bit. So again, it goes to some kind 585 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,400 of Baseline. It doesn't have to be a stat 586 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,400 program. It can be, you know, it could be 587 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,600 the, the ball striking skills, snapshot where you're just 588 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,900 looking at, okay, I'm going to take a look at what my Baseline 589 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:24,500 was, and where I'm going now and that's going to determine if I'm 590 00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:27,100 actually making. If I move the needle at all, you 591 00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:30,000 know what I mean? And just to build on that, it's 592 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,800 like, what's the overarching? Why, what's the compelling 593 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,400 reason to go about using his course of those tactics? 594 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,200 What are you working towards? What's that vision of the future 595 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,700 that you're striving to attain by going through, X, Y and Z and 596 00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:47,900 I think that's a really clear and really important factor that 597 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:51,000 sort of not only ignites but also keeps that motivational 598 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,300 fire burning that keeps you sort of moving on that path and I 599 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,000 think if you don't really have that overarching wire, if it's 600 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000 very Broad and Not very specific. 601 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,300 I think it's easier to get off course, or maybe beyond the 602 00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:05,200 range as you say, Cordy and not really feeling like you're 603 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,800 really accomplishing anything. What I think it's nice to say 604 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,400 having a wire having a goal but like I just, I'd like to win 605 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,700 more money on Thursday nights. That's okay. 606 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:20,000 So like, that's why unpack that what's going to allow you to win 607 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,500 more money Courtney? Yes, that's how come goal. 608 00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:25,100 What are your what process goes with support that? 609 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,900 That would be shooting a lower score, getting a higher. 610 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,600 Handicap one of those two great and so which of those is of more 611 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,900 interest, probably shooting lower scores. 612 00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:40,100 Great. So based on your game where our 613 00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:43,000 sort of your, your five buckets currently sitting. 614 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,800 We'll call that puting short game. 615 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:51,700 Wedge play approach, play the t-ball tactics psychology where 616 00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:54,700 do all those elements said, I don't know, I feel slightly 617 00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:58,100 panicked right now that you just say all those things because I I 618 00:31:58,100 --> 00:31:59,900 have no idea and I don't even know how to write. 619 00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:03,200 I mean does that if only you had an assessment tool that would 620 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,000 help you have an objective view of where those certain skills 621 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,600 are if right answer. And so really the, the book 622 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,100 plan, the plan is basically, after you sort of peel the onion 623 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:17,200 back onto all those layers and really look at. 624 00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:20,200 Okay, this is, this is what I want to do. 625 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,000 This is why? This is kind of where I'm at. 626 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,600 Oh man, I'm actually pretty good at this. 627 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,200 I'm not so great at this. How do we make sure that I can 628 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,800 stay? At this level and skill X, and 629 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,500 really just build up skill, why? And if I can link those two 630 00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:35,900 things to the desired outcome, I have the recipe for satisfying 631 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:37,700 work. And if I have satisfying work, 632 00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:40,500 I'm going to feel a little more compelled to go about and go 633 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:43,200 through this whole practice plan because I see the value in it. 634 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,100 Our scores a good enough assessment plan. 635 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,000 What do you mean by score is like looking at scores, right? 636 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:56,600 So I shoot a shoot at 36 of 42, a 3940 of 34 like and that's 637 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,800 over the course of Month, let's say, right? 638 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,800 Like I and or does it have to be some type of actual stats? 639 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,100 Some type of assessment Beyond score to be able to look at 640 00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:09,900 these with? Yeah, we've got to know what's, 641 00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:12,300 what's making up the score? Why is the score when it is? 642 00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:16,300 And so, I think it's obviously, that's our ultimate measure of. 643 00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:18,900 Are we making any progress has, are we shooting better scores? 644 00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:20,700 That's a result we're worried about. 645 00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:22,600 But if we're looking at how we're going to affect it, we've 646 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,500 got to unpack it a little bit more. 647 00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:28,500 We've got to know the layers that make up that score and If 648 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:31,700 we're going to go practice like you said in my, do I have a 649 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:33,400 plan? You've got to know that you're 650 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,800 working towards something and I think that's, that's as Matt 651 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,600 said, that's huge for the motivational element 2 is. 652 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,500 I know that I've got a structured plan that is designed 653 00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:45,000 to show me. Tangible tangible results of my 654 00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,900 of my effort, I think of it this way and it's just something we 655 00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:51,900 have to do for sport in Canada. As we have certainly at the high 656 00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:55,000 performance level, we have a Podium pathway which is 657 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:58,500 basically constructed of two things we have Our results 658 00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:00,200 track. And then we have a gold medal 659 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,400 profile. And so basically that results 660 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,900 track determines my progress relative to a medalist. 661 00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:07,600 So to speak. Where do I sit on that? 662 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,000 Continuum. And then the gold medal, profile 663 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,100 are the attributes that allow me to perform at my best and would 664 00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:17,199 their current status are. And so while we love to see 665 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,300 progress relative to that curve, we can't really have that unless 666 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,699 we're addressing those elements held within sort of that 667 00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:27,800 technical tactical psychological physiological environment. 668 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,000 It's sort of standpoint and so score is one, measure its one 669 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,300 measure, but I think understanding the layers that 670 00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:38,199 produce that score in those individual attributes. 671 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,500 Those are really what the plan seeks to address. 672 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,100 If you hear this, in the podcast, that means I've decided 673 00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:48,900 to be completely transparent if you don't hear this. 674 00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:53,300 Well, it's not in the show. And but I mean, my question, is 675 00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:56,300 this, like, I have a lot of tools at my disposal and, and I 676 00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:57,800 spend my time thinking about all this stuff. 677 00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:00,800 If and like trying to help people and like, share these 678 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,800 conversations with you guys and all these, all these incredible 679 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,500 tools. And I'm not even doing this 680 00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:09,300 myself when and I play a couple times a week, right? 681 00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:13,400 So I worry about my friends that are these 10 handicaps, right? 682 00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:16,100 I worry about them because they're definitely not doing it 683 00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:19,300 right? And so what needs to happen like 684 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:22,000 what how do we make this available to them? 685 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,700 How do we make this more friendly to them? 686 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,400 So that some of this soup Can change their mindset and kind of 687 00:35:29,408 --> 00:35:32,000 change the way that they go about looking at this. 688 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,900 That's the whole reason why we wrote the book is to address the 689 00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:40,800 challenge that you just mentioned is the fact that we 690 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,300 want to make this as accessible as possible. 691 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:47,200 For a recreational player that doesn't have the time to devote 692 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,800 to getting better. It's not their full-time job. 693 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,000 So we want to provide them with an efficient way to make the 694 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,900 most out of their practice and I hate to plug the book so 695 00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:59,300 aggressively, but But that was our whole mission. 696 00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:02,400 What you the the issue in the obstacle that you just described 697 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,000 was our whole mission with the buck when we don't have access 698 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,400 to the type of coaching or the time to really, you know, that 699 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,200 great players that high performers have what's our 700 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,800 recourse and that's why we try to develop a skills assessment 701 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,800 and a practice plan that's designed to grow with you and to 702 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,700 change over time as your skills change. 703 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:27,800 Thank you so much for joining us on today's episode make. 704 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:29,800 Make sure to pick up the book better faster. 705 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,100 Leave that review on Amazon and take a screenshot so you can 706 00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:34,200 enter to win some free coaching from the guys. 707 00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:37,000 This is just a fantastic conversation about learning 708 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,700 about getting better at this game. 709 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,800 I hope that you enjoyed it. Make sure to subscribe to the 710 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,300 podcast and stay tuned, so you can join us next week for part 711 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:46,800 3, with the guys, it's going to be good. 712 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,600 Thanks for listening and we'll see you then.