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You are listening to the golf 
Science Lab podcast. 

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My name is Corey Walker, and I'm
on a mission to figure out how 

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to improve the way that we learn
and get better at golf. 

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I've been able to travel all 
over the world talking to the 

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leaders in the industry from 
instructors, to researchers, to 

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Golfers themselves learning how 
they're getting better at golf 

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and what that means for you. 
Hey everyone. 

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Welcome down to a new mini 
series of the next three days. 

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We are going to dive into some 
game management coaching to get.

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You started in the right 
direction and some mindsets and 

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tactics for this season. 
In the past, we've had on some 

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experts like Mark, Brody Scott 
faucet who brought some clarity 

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around statistics and some 
Concepts. 

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And today we're getting some 
coaching. 

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We're getting some some coaching
from someone who really knows 

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how to help people, shoot lower 
scores. 

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His name is Will Robbins. 
He's a great friend of mine. 

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And I always enjoy sitting down 
to talk with him and learn from 

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him. 
He is serious about helping 

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golfers lower scores and he is 
good at it. 

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You might have seen him from his
program called the scoring 

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method and I wanted to have them
on over the next three days to 

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drop some knowledge. 
Give us some practical info and 

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then some homework. 
So, we could go out and actually

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take action. 
So this is three days to lower 

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scores. 
Let's get into day one. 

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Make sure to subscribe wherever 
you're listening to this so that

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you can catch these next three 
days. 

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Let's get to it. 
Well, you're the expert coach at

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helping us lose shots off our 
scorecard and over the next 

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three days, you're going to 
teach us some of the best 

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methods around course, 
management and strategy to help 

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us lower those scores. 
So day, one, I know of a 

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specific thing. 
You want to talk about where we 

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going, we've just got to get rid
of blow up Pulse. 

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We've got to stop watching golf 
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all professional golfers me. 
Make birdies and that's what we 

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need to do. 
More of and start to realize 

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that really what it's all about 
is keeping the big numbers off 

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the off of the scorecard just 
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And you know, it's really fun at
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back to one of his Workshop or 
something saying that tiger 

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lowered his scoring average 
one-year and he lowered his 

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scoring average by having less 
birdies actually, instead of 

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having more birdies like, you 
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he had less double bogeys and he
just won the Masters by having 

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no. 
The Bogies and another gentleman

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had two double bogeys on the 
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mr. 
Molinari, so yeah, I mean, it's 

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not glorified, right? 
And people don't really want to 

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hear it. 
But the fact is, is that if you 

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can get rid of the big numbers, 
then it's not that hard just to 

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keep on making pars bogeys, you 
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keep yourself around, you know, 
the scores you want to shoot and

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I think it always comes from the
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I think that most of us have 
been just program called ET 

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C'est par for par 5 driver. 
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And we Don't think about okay? 
How's the driver been going that

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day, or how tight is this whole 
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We just assume that because it's
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We need to go out there and hit 
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And the fact is, is that what 
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Is number one, rule is at all 
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If your drivers are shredders 
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But if you can't, if he's 
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in play, with that club, I 
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taking three off the tee. 
How, you know? 

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So the fact is is that it all 
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how aggressive your playing 
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But we'll mark, Brody says it. 
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possibly can. 
And this is the best thing the 

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other day. 
So on our scoring method page, I

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see Sylvia my assistant even 
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mark Brody says in all every 
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as possible and so I she posted 
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and me asking him Mark. 
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hey I meant to get the ball as 
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His specific words are No, you 
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you can safely to the green 
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out getting a penalty. 
So yes, you want to extend your 

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go to Club if that's a for 
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You want to get to a five iron 
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get it from 190 yards to 210 
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in Risk, bunkers, Hazard, trees,
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You can't play that shot. 
So if anybody's interested in 

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that quarry, somehow we need to 
send them to their, yes, for a 

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method, Facebook page and watch 
that video of Mark. 

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Brody saying exactly. 
Clear that and me going like, 

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thank you, Mark. 
That's the from the, from the 

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mouth of the man who created 
that book in his so 

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knowledgeable. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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Okay. 
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need to make as like, okay yes 
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far as we possibly can as close 
to the green as we possibly can.

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But we can't do that if we're 
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the water etc etc. 
Choose smarter clubs, choose 

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smarter aiming points. 
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You will favorite Club. 
I mean just pick your favorite 

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club that you can get off the 
the tea and the fact about this 

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is it's actually probably easier
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Club down, then it is to be 
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actually take out your go to 
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pattern to go into the driver or
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what is the club that can kill 
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And so I would challenge 
everybody out there is like just

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try it for one round of golf, 
you know, go out there for one 

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round of golf and see if you can
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In play. 
And that means no chipping out 

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sideways. 
No penalty shots. 

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No. 
It doesn't have to be a lost 

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ball. 
It could be in a hazard that you

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play from well. 
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The fact is is that has it 
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Maybe it's dry right now. 
Keep the ball in play at all 

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costs and just see how patient 
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It is it is a true challenge of 
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are the playing. 
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are just they just they always a
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they can pull off even though 
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off other ones. 
So cable or positive get the 

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T-shirt. 
The other thing that you know, 

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from hanging out with you, that 
you've helped me understand is 

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with the short game, almost of 
emphasizing getting it on the 

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green and making sure you're 
making a bogey verse trying to 

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hit you know the perfect chip or
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bogey into play. 
I know it seems kind of dumb and

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lame but like honestly that is 
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Make sure that you lock in Bogey
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Exactly. 
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you'll see at the US Open, 
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The oh, Couldn't you see the PGA
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where they'll fly it over a 
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And I mean, even tiger at 
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He aims the right on hole 18 
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harder, it would roll back down 
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So the best players in the 
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play away from trouble and so 
taking out the riskiest shot 

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which is, you know, flipping it 
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You've really got to be thinking
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to part-time down in three Well 
if you kept the ball in play off

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the Tee Box and you've Advanced 
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you trip it on the green and 
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don't care if you say, well, I'm
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a pro, take out double bogeys 
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golfer, that's a fact. 
And so the way I help golfers to

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understand this court has always
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just first gear. 
I'm not this coach, it's going 

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to tell you, Hey listen, you got
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rest of your life. 
It's learn how to play the game 

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of golf in first gear, and then 
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And there are some holes 
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you get to those tougher, holes 
shift, it down into first gear 

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and just get it around. 
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it that way, it helps the sort 
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I'm just going to do this 
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not moving into play in third or
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Brilliant but know how to shift 
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don't know how to do that, well,
if you don't, if it's a 

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professional, if you don't have 
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never win a major. 
It was when Phil, Phil Mickelson

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side to keep the ball on the 
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he started Wing Majors. 
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blow up. 
Poles and the anyone wins goes 

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off from Windsor terrible, you 
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Yeah, no I think you're right on
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one or two handicap or something
like that and you know you might

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be thinking that's silly, not 
trying to chip it within three 

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feet every time, but honestly, 
it's a huge shift that that has 

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helped me and then off the tee, 
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So we're limiting those blowup 
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week that you want to give 
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What is that with? 
I would start with go out and 

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play golf for 18 holes and see 
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For 18 holes, no matter what. 
Say, at the end of it. 

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Listen, if I do it, the end of 
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bucks, right? 
In the make a challenge out of 

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it, right? 
So, it's something something 

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worthwhile, or you buy yourself 
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I'm sure you will prefer to get 
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But the fact is, is that you, 
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And then I challenge all my 
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And the crazy thing is, every 
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to me, well, I thought you were 
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I do it. 
Didn't make any sense. 

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I went out there. 
I played the most relaxed. 

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Simple stress-free for rounds, 
and I shots the Scores that I 

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normally shoot but I didn't show
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Yeah. 
Because you took off the 

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pressure, you took out the 
blow-up holes and when you take 

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off the pressure and you 
actually start to execute the 

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shots better because you're not 
stressing out, trying to drive 

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on how you shouldn't. 
So I would challenge you to 72 

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holes and I would love to see 
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You know, they can is the best 
way you called me for them to 

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reach out, to go to the scoring 
method, Facebook page, or 

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something to make comments, or 
how can I measure? 

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Yeah, that's the way they can 
get in touch with you. 

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Their love to see, you know, 
reach out to me on Facebook or 

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messenger, but just love to hear
your thoughts. 

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And feedback because it just it 
amazes me, whether I'm working 

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with a scratch golfer or someone
shooting 100, how relaxed they 

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become, when they play the game 
of golf when they're playing and

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learning how to play in first 
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And just to clarify this on 
those 18 holes at 72 whores, you

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have to have like a clear shot 
to the green on every hole. 

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Is that what qualifies? 
Um, yeah, a clear shot that. 

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Yeah, I mean, basically for 
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No penalties. 
Okay, and I consider a penalty. 

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If you're plugged in the face of
a bunker, that's a penalty, you 

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know. 
If you're stymied behind a tree 

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and you can't Advance the ball 
forward, that's a penalty. 

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So if you're under a tree and 
you pitch down to the fair, when

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you're on The Fringe Of The 
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So, I'm looking at really 
penalty shots and shots where 

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you have to literally play 
Backwards or sideways because 

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you physically cannot Advance 
the ball to with to tour around 

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the green, Perfect. 
All right. 

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Well that's day one, I'll be 
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Thanks so much for listening. 
Thank you will Robbins for 

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happen on. 
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scoring method.com s and free 
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Killers. 
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All right, we'll see you 
tomorrow.