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You are listening to the gulf 
Science Lab podcast, my name is 

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Corey Walker, and I'm on a 
mission to figure out how to 

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improve the way that we learn 
and get better at golf. 

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I've been able to travel all 
over the world talking to 

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leaders in the industry from 
instructors, to researchers, to 

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Golfers themselves learning how 
they're getting better at golf 

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and what that means for you. 
Hey everyone. 

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Welcome back to this week's 
episode. 

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We are coming off of a really 
fun little mini series you did 

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last week on practice, in the 
launch of our new training here,

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golf science lab called practice
Secrets. 

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Taking a look at the Core 
Concepts and strategies. 

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That you need to know if you 
want to get more efficient with 

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your practice really fun, we've 
had a couple hundred people go 

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through that already heard some 
really awesome stories of 

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people, their eyes being open 
of, you know, hey I need to 

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start doing this and kind of go 
this route or You know, 

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actually, I'm on the right path 
or wow, you know, like I can 

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really see where I've been 
wasting some time and can get 

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more efficient. 
So it's been super fun. 

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I'm just blown away by the 
response and so excited to keep 

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getting this message out there. 
It's really the mission around 

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here is to help people learn and
practice, more efficiently, more

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been better and getting that 
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The door is a huge step in the 
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accomplishing that mission. 
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everyone. 
If you got my emails, if you 

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joined thank So much really 
appreciate it. 

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Today on the podcast though we 
are having a fascinating 

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conversation. 
I love talking about long drive 

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and power and speed and 
distance. 

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It's I honestly just find it 
personally really enjoyable 

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because I love trying to gain 
speed. 

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So this is a fun conversation 
with Bobby, Peterson and Ryan 

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riess, BEC, both long drive, 
competitors themselves. 

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Bobby is now a coach who 
specializes in this was the 

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coach of Kyle Berkshire. 
Who's just? 

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At this year's World Long Drive 
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And so, we sat down and said, 
they're just a great 

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conversation. 
And the beginning here, we're 

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going to talk about Ryan's kind 
of Journey going from someone 

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that just played golf for fun 
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found that he was good at it and
loved it. 

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And what he did to become 
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then, you know, get some advice 
on, what are some of the things 

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that you can do you and I can do
to get better from these guys 

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that are just experts at World 
Lon. 

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And drive, and hitting the ball.
Just a super long way. 

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So really unique opportunity, 
really fun stories. 

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This is just a great 
conversation. 

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We recorded for probably an hour
and just had a good time. 

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I enjoyed it. 
Hopefully will have them on 

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again to talk but we're going to
dive in here to this 

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conversation. 
You're going to enjoy it. 

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Bobby Peterson. 
I am a long drive coach and 

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focus on teaching people how to 
hit a golf ball, a long ways. 

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I started in golf and in 90, 
when I got out of the military 

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and competed in a long drive 
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until 2009. 
I competed in the open Division 

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and realizes age of 42. 
I needed find a different line 

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of work, and the knowledge that 
I've gained over two years, I 

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thought I'd pass it on. 
So, I actually started with 

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landed gentry Hurry and James 
Eastland 2010 trying to share my

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knowledge as far as club 
building and taking and stuff 

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like that. 
And since 2010, we've amassed 

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73, professional long drive 
wins, including a senior 

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Champion, ladies world champion 
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Kyle Berkshire this year, my 
name is Ryan Reese back, and I'm

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from Layton Utah. 
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August 2010. 
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my friend who had been to the 
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championship and watched it, he 
said that I should try it out 

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after. 
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a scramble turn them on. 
So my first event, I drove the 

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the following week after that 
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I drove to Albuquerque New 
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in a qualifier and I just kept 
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love. 
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to me hitting the ball four Ours
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So I've loved it and I just kept
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qualified for the world 
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competing in professional events
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or 11 for wins and just keep 
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I think my swing when I first 
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of the normal amateur golfer 
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get a big slice and I could 
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But I wouldn't, you know, I 
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face and I would always joke 
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count the total distance, the 
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from left to right. 
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Wrong. 
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just needed a swing as hard as I
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little bit of success just 
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as I could. 
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where I felt like I needed some 
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training or another pair of eyes
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had hooked up with Bobby 
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with him, started training with 
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There's actually two different 
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most of the time. 
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get faster or fast people to 
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golf ball and Ryan was the 
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He he was pretty fast when I met
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in the sport, I was actually 
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I paid attention everybody and 
and he was hitting some what I 

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call heavy balls when they hit 
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forever but they were real flat 
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grid was not fast and running so
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rained or anything like that, he
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pretty quick. 
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fast. 
I mean, he would go all the way 

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to the end if not win it. 
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and I got the opportunity in 
Florida, we had a tournament and

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I actually worked the Grid at 
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him hitting a golf ball, down 
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And when it hit the ground, it 
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just took off, and it run like, 
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moves, hit one that flew. 
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yards past Ryan and rolled a 
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guy hits a really good Ball but 
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flight characteristics are are 
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Yeah, so I thought, man if I 
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him, that's what we worked on. 
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golf ball and getting that thing
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release. 
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would actually do a lot better, 
you know, and then Have other 

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people. 
Like Paul howhow was a great 

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ball Striker, really good golfer
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was that type of person that if 
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faster and and if he was hitting
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Fairway, playing a golf, he was 
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he did within one year, we were 
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and world you know. 
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So those two type of people are 
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What do you mean by his his ball
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He was hitting it too flat. 
Can you dive dive a bit more 

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into that and what you worked on
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When I first met Ryan, he was 
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a stiff as shafts. 
You can find and low loss, but 

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but he was hitting - Attack 
angle so striking down on the 

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ball, he was actually spinning 
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But since he was hitting, such a
stiff club and lo la, his 

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Dynamic life was still Coming 
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I mean it was really low and so 
the ball doesn't never, never 

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really flies, never gets up in 
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So as far as he can hit it on a 
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had so much energy, that's why 
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know, so but he needed to learn 
how to get his attack, angle up 

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and use the loft of the club, to
actually get the ball up in the 

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air with lower spin numbers and 
and flight that. 

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And then after we started, 
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We started learning how to shake
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face angle to actually hit 
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And and hit Fades, you know, 
where we're trying to go to, a 

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four degree, right path with a 
closed face and still keep a 

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positive attack angle, those 
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That's what I mean, being able 
to shot shape just like you 

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would in golf, you got to be 
able to hit the nine shots. 

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You need to be able to hit 
something, close to those nine 

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shots in Long Drive, depending 
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environmental conditions, things
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So, that's where we went. 
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I didn't realize this and it's 
one of the things that Bobby 

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explain to me, but the 
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that I had one previous to that.
We're like he said they the 

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driving or the grid was was flat
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for. 
It was from an elevated, Tee Box

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and I have never done well, when
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because the ball would spend too
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I Carry it far enough because I 
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out. 
So I was always, you know, 10 to

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15 yards short when the grid was
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So these are things that he 
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So what we tried to do, there's 
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We try to do, we try to add a 
little spine tilt, we try to get

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my hands higher at the top of 
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And then I do a little move 
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partial squat when I drop down. 
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raise up and then I would drop 
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And as long as I could counter 
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behind the ball, all of a sudden
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attack angle, I'm somewhere 
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pretty consistently and I know 
which doesn't seem like, you 

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know, a huge difference five or 
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but when it comes to carrying 
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optimal ball flight, you know, 
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time and sometimes more 
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So So, those little tweaks like 
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increase. 
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basically trying to swing a just
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can possibly swing because that 
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ball. 
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It would straighten the ball, 
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but some of the two weeks that 
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swing just as fast without 
trying to swing as hard so I can

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get Better ball flight, you 
know, swinging a good smooth 

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swing and produce the same speed
as well. 

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So things like that. 
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practice longer. 
I used to get so worn out. 

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I get, you know, a lot of knots 
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from swinging so hard. 
And now I can I can swing for 

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hours and still not have those 
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health standpoint that was a one
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as well. 
And What kind of results? 

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What is the difference like? 
Well it's your I guess. 

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What metrics do you care about? 
Do you monitor like and what 

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were some of the differences 
that you that you saw? 

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I'll give you a good example. 
I think it was back in 2014 

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before I started working with 
Bobby. 

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I had an average attack angle of
like -1.2 and my vertical launch

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was like 8.9 in now. 
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probably average of three 
tacking. 

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My vertical launch is more like 
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So just swipe slight tweaks to 
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circumstance. 
That makes me a much better 

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competitor in all conditions, so
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bit, but, you know, the 
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part of the competition. 
A lot of times people will think

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that you can't hit the ball as 
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And I think we saw at the World 
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longer balls had a little bit 
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A lot of times people want to be
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sixteen to eighteen, hundred 
Spin. 

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And some of the longest balls we
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hundred spin RPM, so you can hit
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spin to. 
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the equipment. 
That's the other thing that 

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Bobby is an expert at is the 
club building and making changes

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to the equipment to fit the 
current environment that you're 

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hitting in soon. 
Let me speak to some of the 

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things. 
We look at with Ryan as well. 

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We had a we had a very hard time
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alignment. 
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barrier with alignment because I
might would be saying something 

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like, you need to square up to 
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about his shoulders and he was 
probably thinking about lining 

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up his feet. 
So and it actually costs us an 

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event and Denver mile-high shoot
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One year we struggled all day 
with trying to get his Upper 

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body aligned. 
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we kind of got focused on the 
feet been aligned in a different

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direction which which kind of 
cross things up at that 

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tournament but alignment was a 
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obviously she would like you 
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and stuff like that. 
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at was path face angle and then 
attack angle but then looking at

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his body motion or what he was 
doing once we got his alignment 

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correct it was the spine tilt 
away. 

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Getting high hands at the Top of
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counter rotation or separation. 
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toward the target, as the upper 
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away. 
That little bit of separation is

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a huge jump and Ryan's ball 
speed and if he's Center 

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punching it if he's if he's 
hitting it in the middle of the 

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club face, he's one of the top 
competitors in the world when he

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does that. 
That's what I look at when I'm 

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watching him. 
It truly is a fascinating 

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Journey that Ryan and Bobby 
talked about here of optimizing,

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what you have and finding these 
little ways that you can improve

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and constantly getting a little 
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It's really cool to hear that 
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One of the other students that 
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Stop power shop is Kyle 
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world long drive championship 
and I asked Bobby, what? 

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Some of the keys that they 
worked on the changes, they made

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things that they did that helped
Kyle make some speed jumps to 

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win this past year. 
And I was blown away by some of 

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these answers. 
There's some really cool 

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insights the heart rate thing is
just, I love that there's got to

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be something there that we 
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some future content, but let's 
get into that. 

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Some of the ways that Bobby 
helped Kyle Berkshire. 

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The first thing I look for is 
what golfers trigger is how they

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start their swing and using 
Force plates. 

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You can actually tell that most 
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pressure on their front foot 
when they initiate their swing 

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and transition to the back foot.
But what I know is real quick 

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with Kyle, is he had a little 
bit of a stutter step with his 

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back foot when you did that, 
which made him Flinch and when 

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he's trying to go super fast, it
threw off his rhythm. 

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And the gherkin motion actually 
was causing a little bit of a 

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back problem, spasms, things as 
he practiced. 

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So he wasn't able to practice 
his hard and push himself 

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because of that little bit of 
jerking motion. 

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So we started talking about it 
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And that's where we came up with
the rock motion. 

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And then what after we kind of 
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what we wanted. 
It wasn't necessary that we 

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wanted it stepping up in the 
air. 

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Anything. 
We just wanted the trigger those

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spots to get it a little A 
smooth, you know, take away and 

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be able to accelerate into the 
swing versus going from 0 to 150

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miles an hour close to be. 
You know, that quick the golf 

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swing is less than a second. 
So he's still going to get to 

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150 miles an hour in under a 
second. 

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But how he started was more 
important than anything else? 

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Is sort of like anything else? 
If you don't start with the 

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right step, how you want to end 
correctly. 

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So one along that line is what 
we did was Urine test and he 

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came in averaging, 115 miles. 
I mean 215 miles an hour on his 

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sets? 
And my goal was to push him 

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average wise, at least one mile 
an hour every few weeks and 

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obviously would Kyle and every 
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they want that top boss. 
T what is the best policy right?

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And and obviously for him he 
wanted to 30 which that's a 

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great number to go after the my 
thing. 

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Was, can we averaged 216 in a 
workout? 

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Can we average to sex 17 next? 
Well, in December. 

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We were to 15 my worlds. 
We were almost 200, 24 miles an 

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hour average on the 32 ball set.
So pushing that average, if your

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average is faster than most of 
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you're going to have more 
success. 

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And that's all there is to it 
now and he did reach the 230 

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miles an hour peek here. 
Oh SPS. 

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But on TV. 
In compensation, he was able to 

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go 228 miles an hour, instead of
all speed record this year. 

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Well, talking back to the 
rocking kind of pre-shot thing 

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for one, it's a trigger right to
help him, start seeing better, 

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but also, it's kind of imitating
what he's trying to do in the 

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golf swing as well with his with
his pressure, right? 

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Yeah, transition of pressure 
gets them into the motion of 

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moving but again, the biggest 
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the jerk in motion which was 
causing problems in his body, 

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he's told me multiple times. 
Over the last few months, he is 

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totally pain-free, we're in 
December. 

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When he came to me, he was 
actually having a little bit of 

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back problems, neck problems, 
things like that. 

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And that comes from jerking 
motions, right? 

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I mean, that's, that's usually, 
when we get hurt is in a sudden 

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start or certain stop and that 
was the main thing to get out of

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it. 
And most of us have triggers. 

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I mean, either a forward bump at
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that gets us going. 
So I kind of like the idea of 

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being in motion and continuing 
to be Motion verses from a 

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static point and then trying to 
accelerate as fast as you 

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possibly can. 
So, but it gives him a good 

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Rhythm. 
And, and I've seen a lot of 

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people around the world trying 
to imitate it now, and it's 

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probably going to help them. 
Now, he's not the first one to 

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ever do this. 
I mean, the stepping motion, 

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there's been plenty of people in
the past that have had a little 

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step here there. 
I mean, dominant massive several

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years ago used to step in store 
like a stride baseball swing. 

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But with stride golf swing it 
Jason as Langer, did it? 

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For a little while and others. 
I mean, golf swing in motion is 

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not new to the sport. 
This just kind of coming to 

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light. 
Now, I guess when you talk with 

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someone who's trying to get 
better to train train gain 

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speed, what is your advice? 
What are the things you have 

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people? 
Go experiment with that. 

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You've seen work the best. 
So, a couple things I find that 

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most average golfers are playing
to stiffen the There's no reason

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in the world that you can't get 
a little longer clip if 

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especially if you're a little 
older move up to a 46-inch Club,

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get away from those 44, 45 inch 
drivers, the USGA allows you to 

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go to 48. 
So there's no difference and 

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hitting a three iron and hit a 
6-iron, you know, it's just a 

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longer Club. 
That's the way I look at it. 

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So a driver. 
It is 46 inches. 

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Versus a driver is 44 inches. 
Just a couple inches or do that.

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As far as training, there's no 
substitute for hitting golf 

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balls. 
Don't be afraid to in your 

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practice on an eight ball set. 
Hit them just as hard as you can

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hit them and eventually when you
hit them as hard as you can hit 

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them in, they're going straight.
That should transfer over to 

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your average ball speed on the 
golf course when you're playing 

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golf as being a little bit 
faster. 

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So push yourself as far as that 
there's a couple of things that 

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are training AIDs that I really 
love orange. 

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Whip is one that I really love. 
I'll try to swing trainers. 

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Another one I love but there's 
there's devices out there that 

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can help you Increase your Club 
speed that they put your look at

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and if they can get it in their 
budget or you know time I think 

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that should get those things but
you got to get a training 

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program that works with your 
schedule that will allow you to 

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have some consistency and that 
if you want to increase your 

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speed, that's that's the only 
way you got to work without work

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yours. 
No, reward Ryan. 

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You have anything to add to 
that. 

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So, Bobby mentioned earlier 
about flow path and base angle. 

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And if play Layers. 
For example, then go to the 

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video. 
Instructional video, driving 

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smart, and smarter they go to 
that video. 

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We explain how to use that, that
your path based angle to make 

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the correction off. 
Like some people just don't know

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how to fix their ball fly. 
I was one of those people and 

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just, just by simply observing 
ball pipe fitting consistently. 

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What change you need to make to 
improve the Vault, I get you a 

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lot of yardage. 
We do a lot of corporate outings

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long drivers where we put in the
charity fundraisers, or some 

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sort of hitting exhibition, and 
I see a lot of of amateur 

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amateur golfers come through on 
my hole and a lot of them just 

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don't know, you know, if they 
don't recognize what the ball 

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flies doings and if they're 
hitting a too low or too high or

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what is too low and what is too 
high. 

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So if they were to spend a 
little bit of time, observing 

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the polyp right? 
Usually, like what Bobby's talk 

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about measuring During, you 
know, the launch angle packing 

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or things like that. 
They could a lot of Club 

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nowadays, you can adjust the 
clubface, and the law didn't 

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just by unscrewing the head and 
screw it back on, you know, with

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a with a little different change
in the in the set up, a lot of 

451
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people don't even understand, 
they can do that. 

452
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So my opinion one of the best 
things. 

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The amateur golfer can do is 
learn about path and face angle 

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and how to read the ball play. 
And what changes need to do to 

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this thing. 
Make that that bar fight. 

456
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,400
The other thing too is I just I 
think that other people just 

457
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they don't ever try to swing 
100%. 

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We saw a Tony P. 
Now few weeks back get 200 mph 

459
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ball speed and it took him 
several swings to build up to 

460
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that speed boat. 
A lot of times when you play 

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golf you take one or two 
practice swings and then you hit

462
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,200
a ball and then you're off in 
irons and a Putter and then you 

463
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,400
don't hit another driver for 
minutes. 

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So being on the driving range 
and hitting, you know, seven or 

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eight balls in a row, trying to 
build up your speed and do 

466
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another set of seven or eight 
balls to try and build up your 

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speed. 
That type of work will pay off 

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in my observation. 
What I've seen, is that usually 

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takes a new longtime competitor,
about six months to make some 

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significant speed improvements. 
But once they have trained for 

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about six months, I mean, I've 
seen people had 10, 15 miles per

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00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,100
hour Club lights, No matter of 
six months and that's just from 

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swinging. 
I will give you a tip. 

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This is from personal 
experience. 

475
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So one year, I determined that I
was going to get faster. 

476
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So I was swinging a club inside 
my house all winter long and I 

477
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just trained and trained and 
trained in it, help me swing 

478
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:50,700
faster, but the very first 
competition, I went to, I 

479
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:54,700
couldn't even hardly hit the 
grid because I wasn't hitting a 

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ball when I was training. 
I was just swinging. 

481
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,200
So So I accidentally developed 
these swing habits that were not

482
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good for my swing for actually 
hitting a ball. 

483
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,600
So I would say the more that you
can swing our file hitting a 

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golf ball the better off. 
You'll be fasting, you know, 

485
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,000
it's funny as is I think there's
so many people out there that 

486
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never try to swing hard. 
They want to hit it farther, but

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they never actually try to swing
harder and I just find it 

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fascinating. 
I had this like kind of personal

489
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breakthrough, probably two years
ago now where Finally understood

490
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:31,300
that to hit the ball farther, 
you have to try to hit it 

491
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farther. 
It was groundbreaking. 

492
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:36,400
I know. 
But like, I know so many people 

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that haven't had that moment and
it's just like, it's weird, but 

494
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I'm sure you guys have probably 
seen that happen before with 

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with folks. 
That's a great point because we 

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kind of take it a little bit for
granted, I guess because we do 

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swing hard all the time. 
We assume everybody else's 

498
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,200
swinging hard. 
Yeah, but so many golfers have 

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00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,700
had lessons where everything's 
about control control control. 

500
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And it doesn't matter what 
person I work with, you know, 

501
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,100
just say, look, when you're done
hitting your driver, your 

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practice or whatever on the 
Range in your set or in your 

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00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,400
practice with a set of about 
eight balls and hit them as hard

504
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,300
as you can and then go home, but
have fun with it. 

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00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,400
And just just in a hard if you 
it's like anything else, you 

506
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,900
don't try to Sprint, you're not 
going to run fast. 

507
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:23,100
All right? 
You can't walk yourself into 

508
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:24,700
being fast. 
That's all there is to it. 

509
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:26,700
Don't you strain? 
That's one thing. 

510
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,200
Straining is good. 
For you, it's no different 

511
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,400
lifting weights. 
You got to try to lift more than

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you're capable of to get 
stronger. 

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In training and practice. 
What we want to do is mix it up.

514
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,000
You want to have a certain 
amount of your practice devoted 

515
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,800
to mechanics and the fundamental
practice as far as ball-striking

516
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,900
even using impact tape and 
control and where you're hitting

517
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:56,100
it in the club face. 
And then you want to step back 

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and then do four to eight ball 
sets of nothing. 

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But speed with the intention of.
I like to hit great shots here 

520
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:05,900
but if I miss one, it's okay. 
All right, so but you got to 

521
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:10,000
push that speed and push the 
envelope as far as raising your 

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00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,000
heart rate and something that 
Kyle. 

523
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,500
And I've done this year was We 
started measuring his heart rate

524
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:21,200
and we know this real quick, 
when he got to 160 beats per 

525
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,900
minute, his boss feed was in the
mid to 20s. 

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00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:29,100
So, in Tennessee, when he set 
the ball, speed record at 228 

527
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:32,500
miles an hour, immediately after
he hit it, he looked at me. 

528
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:33,900
And I said, what's your heart 
rate? 

529
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:38,900
Checked it, his heart rate was 
208 beats on his Fitbit and I 

530
00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:41,700
look at mine and I was 140 
sitting in the bleachers. 

531
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,600
I was pumping pretty hard to and
he did it on his eight balls. 

532
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,200
That was pretty, pretty amazing 
but your heart rate actually has

533
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,500
that because your body, 
obviously you get in that fight 

534
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,800
or flight mode when your heart 
rate gets that high, right? 

535
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,100
It's just like in any other kind
of physical exertion, you're the

536
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:03,800
one running or anything else, 
your body starts pumping and 

537
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,700
pumping Open, adrenaline and 
endorphins, and all of that 

538
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:10,900
stuff going on. 
So it allows you to get 

539
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:13,500
superhuman strength in my 
opinion at that point. 

540
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:15,800
And that's what we're looking 
for in long drive. 

541
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,100
That's interesting, though. 
To, like, most people would 

542
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:21,400
probably be like, I need to 
breathe and like, Laura my heart

543
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,200
rate and calm down and, you 
know, etcetera etcetera. 

544
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:26,900
You know, like that would I 
think that'd be the common like 

545
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,500
thought, though? 
You know, oh yeah, well in 

546
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:33,300
practice, we push him that. 
We push him to understand what 

547
00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:35,500
is going to happen. 
To you, same thing with right? 

548
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:39,600
I mean not just Kyle but all the
guys I'll push them to the point

549
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:44,100
that you know, the breakpoint 
almost and you still got to hit 

550
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:45,900
a ball and you still got hit in 
a grid. 

551
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:47,900
That's why we had to build a 
training facility here. 

552
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,600
We want to do this and hit two 
agreed, not to a driving range, 

553
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,300
we're hitting not only to the 
grid, but to specific points in 

554
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:59,100
the grid when were shot shape 
and you're trying to do it with 

555
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:02,000
your heart pumping like that, 
you're almost out of breath. 

556
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
You're about to collapse because
we're trying. 

557
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:07,700
To pressure the person, almost 
into the Breaking Point again. 

558
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,000
Because when you're on TV and 
you're on live TV, especially 

559
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:13,600
and the cameras are on you and 
you're starting to think about 

560
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,700
that little thought of a man, 
I'm about to win a tournament. 

561
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,400
That's when that pressure is 
because I always say everybody 

562
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,100
can hit a free throw, but can 
you do it with two seconds on 

563
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:23,400
the clock? 
And you down by one? 

564
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,500
And that's kind of the feeling 
of being on that stage. 

565
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:30,300
When you got a competitor's, got
about there at 400 yards and you

566
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:33,100
got a best em on your next ball 
or you lose. 

567
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,500
See how your blood pressure and 
nerves, are it in and try to 

568
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:40,300
calm yourself and just hit, put 
one in play. 

569
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:42,700
That doesn't work in the sport, 
a long drive. 

570
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,000
You got to dig down deep and 
come up with some superhuman 

571
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,000
strength and just put one out 
there to can't be touched and 

572
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,500
you can't go either. 
That's a little lot of people 

573
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:54,000
don't. 
Realize with the law drive, 

574
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,000
there is a clock running, so 
young, you can't stop and take a

575
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,200
break for a minute, you know, 
stay behind your ball and you do

576
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,700
too much of that. 
I mean, you're going to run out 

577
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:04,400
of time. 
Time. 

578
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:09,800
And that is all for this 
episode. 

579
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:12,300
Thank you guys for coming and 
hanging out, is really fun to 

580
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:15,500
talk long drive with you all. 
Hopefully we can do this again. 

581
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:18,600
Sometime if you're interested in
learning more, they have a new 

582
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,500
program out called driving 
smarter, driving farther, we 

583
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:24,800
have a link on the post along 
with this episode. 

584
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:27,200
I make sure to check that out. 
It's a really cool series. 

585
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,100
I was watching some of these 
videos before we before I 

586
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:32,400
chatted with them and they put 
together some really cool stuff.

587
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,900
It's fun to watch them in action
and kind of see everything 

588
00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:37,500
that's going on tour. 
Has their unique approach. 

589
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:40,500
So driving smarter driving a 
farther, check that out. 

590
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:43,000
Link in along with the post 
here. 

591
00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:44,800
Thank you so much for listening 
this episode. 

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00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,300
Make sure to subscribe. 
ITunes, Apple podcast Spotify, 

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00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:50,100
wherever you listen. 
We'll be back next week with 

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00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:53,000
another new episode. 
This episode was hosted by me. 

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00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,300
Corey Walker. 
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00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:58,200
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