Today we are dressing something that every single one of us
deals with no exceptions from a 25 handicapper to Tiger Woods,
it's swing thoughts. There's something that is going
on. In our brains only, spend a golf
club. There's something that we have
to focus on and those have an impact on our performance.
And today, we're sitting down with a few different guests to
talk about this topic. One of those is going to be mark
zimmelman back in 2008 when I was Upping my brother Trevor at
the Masters. He was hitting the golf ball
beautifully and we arrived in Augusta.
Georgia. And he was battling with his
puting. In fact, it missed the cut at
the Houston, open the week prior and and was just a function of
the ball not going into the hole and and I'd seen some footage
and I thought the stroke was okay.
But the problem with the golfer always is that when things are
going awry, the informed golfer, I should say, they'll typically
look upon themselves and trying to adjust something.
So I went to Augusta and I I just had to go and I said to him
let's just check it out in the morning.
So we got together and and I just gave him the simple image
of hitting putts in a yes and no formats.
And the main goal being to try and start the ball on the
intended line, we used a ball marker and put that a couple
feet out in front of the golf ball about a foot and a half on
the intended line and the goal was to roll the ball over the
marker. And if You struck the putt well
and it rolled over that marker. It was a yes, but if you
struggled poorly and you miss the marker, it was a no putts
and what he quickly realized when we had done this for about
10-15 minutes was that some of his no pipes went in the hole
and some of these. Yes, pets didn't and so it sort
of freed him up a little bit. And so the idea there was okay,
the thought here is to roll a ball over that targets.
The rest of this is out of my I have control and so that to me
was sort of the ultimate swing thought, and that it was
somewhat mechanical it was somewhat actionable and there
certainly was a meaningful feedback from from the swing
thought. You know, others?
I've seen were Gary Player who've mentioned to me about
when he hits Fairway bunker shots, how he focuses on a
dimple on the front side of the golf ball Ting ensure clean
contact another good swing. We thought I've heard was
something Bubba, Watson shared where when he said he tried to
hit a drive a little longer and a little harder.
The key was to complete the backswing.
So he's thought was to try and kiss his shoulder at the top of
the Swing which would ensure that the body pivot was
completed and the the mechanism was wound up a little bit more.
So there are various ways that it can take it on but I think
the ones that stand out to me the most were definitely those
three with obviously the 2008 March.
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So today we are looking at swing thoughts and we're going to do
it in a few different ways. Our first way is from kind of
This research idea what's been done on that and we have dr.
No Russo, who's coming on. He has this great perspective,
he's an instructor, a coach of a player and he's done.
A lot of work to try to figure this out.
He's been a contributor on the site before I really enjoy his
perspective and so he's gonna be on bringing that number two.
To we have kind of the story of anecdotes from that party Ali
play, everyone. The u.s.
Madam in 2017 and he's actually back at the US, Open this
weekend. He went made it through
sectionals and everything, which is amazing.
He's on the podcast a little bit ago, telling his story, how he
got so good. And then, finally, we have Mark
immelman, he has a brilliant podcast on the Mark.
He's an instructor a coach to Monk's a number of different
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To me. Swing thoughts are a call to
action. Honestly, I think oftentimes,
when a goal is to find a when a mission is objectified, it helps
the individual focus a little bit more intently.
And so the swing thought to me is a call to action and so
instead of just getting over the golf ball and having a happy
Hitchin sort of hoping for the best, having a swing thought is
The key to making sure that the necessary is taken care of.
And I think having a swing thought, as far as I'm
concerned, as an integral part of success.
I'd rather have one the nun, and I'd certainly have rather have
one been plenty. I think plenty can throw the cat
amongst the pigeons now, not all swing.
Thoughts are created equal. We all can relate.
You have that one feel which works really well.
You have another feel you just juggle with and you're trying to
find a new one. Matt talks about what a good
swing thought is for him in his game.
I would say it's half feelings, it's half what you're thinking
and it could be, it could be none of those.
It's what works for you on the course, to perform at your best
and I want to try it lightly in this because if people hear
this, they're going to think. Oh, I have to have this swing
van. I have to do this, the second,
you try to force something, you create tension.
So, whatever it is that you do to have no tension and be free,
which Greg and I talked about all the time.
Free. We don't like the word, but it's
kind of the word you have to use whatever creates that.
That's that's what you do it. If that's what you want to go
down and depressed stuff, you don't want to change last
minute. So let's take a look at the
research side here. Research has put swing thoughts
in a few different groups, categories of how we can label
these. So, let's have null explain
those. Now, one, swing thought is not
the same as, you know, as another from a whole number of
perspectives. So, if you look at the different
time to swing thoughts, you've obviously got in the way that
you've alluded to there. The internal external focus of
attention, which is I'm sure most of your listeners will be
fairly aware of that, which is a brilliant line of research.
So internal Focus being on your body and how you kind of control
that and external being on more the effect of the movement.
So in the golf swing that's going to be predominantly the
club and the club face the idea there being that your You know,
if you're focusing on the external factors, IE the club
face, then you are just then allowing your body to in your
brain to self organize the movement in order to coordinate
the club face. In that way, you're going to be
much more automatic. The research, which suggests a
lot less prone to her to Breaking Down Under Pressure as
well. So in this huge advantages of
that external Focus well as internal Focus, you know, you've
got to really think about how the body moves and that may not
be in a way. That relates to the to the task.
Now you might be thinking a lot about your backswing when you're
chipping and that may give you a fantastic backswing but not
necessarily the right distance on the shot or the strike Etc.
So that's yeah, that's the internal external Focus but
there's lots of other categories as well.
So then you've got the kind of part movement or holistic
movement so you know how much you break great the movement
down is, you know, it's significant as well, isn't it?
I mean if I'm just thinking on the course about like that Turn
turn back, turn through. I mean, that's that's that
that's thought pretty much covers the whole the whole
swing. But in very broad terms where as
you know, if I broke in my swing down into where my elbow points
at the top of the backswing, and maybe another checkpoint two,
well, yeah, that they are two very precise and distinct my
lineman's. I'm trying to create, I mean,
that is going to break down the fluidity of the motion, but
that's not to say it's, you know, it's completely wrong if
you've practiced while thinking about those two.
Those two swing thoughts and it and that that thought process
has been chunked in is something that you can now deal with quite
easily than that may work for you very nicely but certainly
not you know as a new swing thought on the day I would I
would keep it very Broad and ideally her, a whole movement,
Focus would be a lot better under pressure.
I do like the external where you're thinking of the call
hack. You're thinking of like you
said, maybe it's Target the ball flight.
I bounced around. And I remember playing before
the Masters last year, a swing thought I had it was then a four
ball event down in Florida. And I had a I had a great one
that was on the club head and I hit really well that day.
The next day it was completely different and I do remember that
Bentley. Even though the wall ball which
is finite And I move on, I don't try to force it, to get it back.
And I mean, I move on kind of find the next little thought or
feeling that the feels right at the time are two big categories.
We have external and internal swing thoughts and if you go
back, you can hear an interview with dr.
Gabrielle wolf on external Focus.
She's a researcher who has done a bunch of work on it.
This was probably a couple years ago on the podcast and she was
talking about the benefits of external Focus meaning that
you're About something outside of your body, that could be the
flag off in the distance, or the ball flight, or even the ground
under your feet. It's anything outside of you.
And that opening story, Mark told about helping his brother,
Trevor putting at the Masters, right?
And he was moving to more of an external focus and saw obvious
improvements from going in that direction.
I do feel like too many golfers at times if they swing thoughts
based. If that's their approach, that,
at times, it can get A bit to internal and a bit too cerebral.
And, you know, at times you can think about trying to, you know,
shoot the ball into the basket and then you get to as Gary
Player would say Paralyzed by analysis.
So yeah, there are times I think it's the art of good golf
instruction has to find a way to move the golfer out of his or
her head and more into the athletic response of things.
Here's another example of internal and external thoughts
from Matt and listen and see if you can identify if this is this
is an internal or external swing thought.
I had a thought of like just the club being in front of me.
I mean, everyone gets stuck in underneath, it's just that every
but I just had the feeling of this is two weeks ago of the
club being in front of me as much as possible ahead of me
head of the body. I would say clubhead matched up
with the hands, grab that trailing, which it never is.
But I thought you Have. And that's not that I've tried
to work on my whole, my whole life and the more you get that
feeling, I feel like that's where you get the most control.
So I would say that that's probably an external thought if
you're focusing on the club or the way to the club, that's
something away from the body, it's not as distal or distant.
As you know spotting on the ground in front of a pot like
Mark talked about but it's more distal or external than thinking
about your shoulders or your wrists or something like that
completely. Internal.
All right, so this kind of thought leads me to a premise
that I hold true and it's not what we are thinking, it's not
the swing thought itself, but it's how it helps us.
Think it's a state of mind. Hit the shot.
You want to hit. In other words, it's the state
that you are in over that shot, this leads me to dr.
Debbie Crews, research on performance States shoes on the
podcast in the past as well, and her research shows that there's
a particular State that is most conducive for good performance
in that second before you start your golf swing.
So before you bring the club back the second before that
she's found a particular brain State and that's being something
that's kind of level. So we're looking at the right
side of the brain and the left side of the brain.
You know, you kind of have your Analytical in your creative
sides. And those are kind of leveled
out, and she has some really compelling research.
He also some training on this is called Opti, and I don't know if
you've seen videos or we've talked about the past, but
there's this head Band The Muse headband and she has some
software for it. You can kind of train the state
and my promise to you is that you can feel the difference when
you get in that state when you don't and you can recognize that
state is probably the state when you played good golf.
And it's definitely not what you're thinking, it's how you're
thinking it takes work. It takes practice, and it Ebbs
and flows. What we have this week as a
swing thought probably isn't the one that's going to.
Be working next week back even into college.
I remember tournaments where I wanted and had success that I
got a thought, maybe the first day or the second day and kept
you going and sure enough the next week, it's a different dot.
So I try to move on from them, try to stay fresh because in all
honesty I need my swing doesn't really change.
Most people swings don't really change but feelings change of
what you trying to do. It's such a Mercurial game, we
play and we live in and play in such a variable environment that
having one thing and expecting it to last for a long time.
I think this an unfair approach to it because we just changed
like you might wake up in the morning and you might feel a
little tighter in your right shoulder and let's say you've
been trying to get your right shoulder rotated behind you.
Well you just can't do that on the day because of circumstance.
So Yeah, I think that's why circum swing thoughts very and
but often times, I guess if you look from the 36 thousand foot
view, the swing thought will sort of come out of the same
environment or the same family, you know, like a golfer working
on a Glitz, I got off his shorts, his or her pivots, you
know, the swing thought, this week might be, let's rotate the
trail hip behind us more the next week would be.
Well, let's try and get the lead shoulder more under the chin the
next week, maybe we'll Feel the pressure shift between the feet,
you know, those are different thoughts, but in the end, they
all trying to achieve the same goal.
If you look at it from that sort of ethereal sort of a vantage
point, I'm always the key to doing me.
Well, as a teacher, is finding a way to communicate with you, so
that the message resonates, you know, my message is only as good
as what it's received, and I might have the best stuff in the
world, but if it's not received and understood it, I won't be
applied. And so in terms of giving swing
thoughts, again, I may be changing coming from different
angles all the time and highlighting different things.
Do you sense this? Do you feel that what are you
thinking about? You know, all with the objective
of getting the golfer to a place, where they doing the
right thing or the appropriate thing?
So I feel like it's an interesting subject and there's
so many ways that it can be approached.
The key for the gotha do is to take ownership of whatever the
thought is and Realize that it may be fleeting and it might
just last for only around. But again, that's what we about
because golf is about the next shot and the round with
currently play. Let's talk ideas, Let's test out
some Concepts and see if you can go out and find some different
swing thoughts and start to think more intentionally about
this. I think that's the biggest thing
is, I hope this conversation brings awareness to you about
what you are thinking in the golf swing.
I'm going to turn here to my friends at Vision 54, Lynn
Marriott and Pia Nielsen because they are excellent at this.
I have they're booked here on the bookshelf.
Next me, I just grabbed it be a player.
One of my favorite golf books out there.
They have a concept called the play box and that is related to
this conversation about swing thoughts.
If you're not familiar, they have this concept called the
think box, then we have the decision line, then we have the
play box. So in the think box are going to
do all the processing, we're going to pick the club and do
all of that kind of work. Then we're going to make the
decision. Line of we're committed is what
we're doing. We don't need to think about
that anymore. Then we're going to get into
that play box. And the goal is to create this
athletic state that we can hit the best shot possible and
there's a lot of different ways to do this.
You know, we think about Jack Nicklaus talked about how he
always visualized, or saw the shot.
I don't know if you've heard that you hear the same Snead
practice Barefoot? He potentially, you know, as
feeling the ground or maybe use that as an anchor tiger talks
about, feeling the shot in his hands that could have been, you
know, kind of his swing thought. So, everyone approaches it a
little differently. You're different than me.
You're different than the person next to you.
So the question is how do we figure this out?
Well one is obviously a golf instructor can help you try some
different things, but here is a few Concepts to go try.
So have you swing thought be visualizing the ball flight,
right? Pretend that there's a trace
like a top Trace around it, right?
And visualize that as you swing the club, as you take it back,
maybe you focus on the pressure and your hands on your grip,
right? Kind of your anchor, maybe it's
not feeling the pressure in the bottom of your feet and how you
kind of want it to go, you know to the right and the left and
how you want that to feel. Maybe it's a relaxed, your
shoulders, what about feeling and engaged core that's kind of
your swing thought. There could be a full turn, you
into feel a full, turn back and then through or maybe it's you
know feeling the weight of the club.
You want to focus on the the weight of that club as you swing
and all these are different ideas.
It one of them might work, one of the might not none of them
might work and you find thing else.
But it's this idea of gaining awareness of these different
things. What's going to work for you and
what's not not getting attached to anything.
Because what works for you today, might not work next week.
So you need to be, you know, a bit fluid in that again, it's
not what you think. It's how you are thinking and
test some things out. We are such a big fan.
I'm such a big fan of testing, right?
We don't do enough testing and golf we don't experiment.
There's nothing to hold onto here.
You don't have to, you don't have to grip on to what you have
because there's, you know, the best place in the world.
Don't, you know, they're changing a few things here.
So we don't either and a post along with this website, I'll
have the link to this book and vision for, they have an app as
well. Which helps you practice these
have a few Concepts. I would highly recommend picking
that up. Probably the biggest One
external. It's always always going to be
helpful. I would suggest not For long
time learning. But I mean if your ball is going
offline, focusing on on controlling the clubface and how
you deliver that? I mean that will almost
guarantee a significant Improvement without thinking
about how your, how you're having to deal with it and
deliver it on a more technical manner just that focus on
delivering a square clubface in the same way that you know when
you're playing in the wind you know good players report of of
having far less swing thoughts, but they just can't deal with
all the all the complexities of the Swing.
They just focus on what is absolutely critical to the shop.
Shot which is is going to be clubface.
Delivery in terms of obviously Loft in the wind and also face a
got. So so that's one.
I mean, focus on the things that really matter.
So externally that would be that would be clubface, balance
fluidity, big, big holistic thoughts like, you know, turn
back, turn through. Stay in Balance, would always
Trump smaller detailed elements of the swing.
What I will say is, you know, the trends, I've seen our high
handicap players are far more ball focused than light handicap
players. I mean, most professionals would
report not really looking at the ball and certainly, not thinking
about it, a great deal, which is, in massive, contrast to know
to weekend golfers who have a strong bull focus.
And you can see in the movement, which case, I mean, the thought
to just turn through an end. Good balance, I think is
brilliant. I mean, having any thoughts that
are Beyond impact? I think I generally very good
and far more helpful than the positioning of the of the club
at the top of the backswing, ETC, try and trying to get to a
good finish is always a good thought to have.
If you've been listening to this whole episode in your like
Cordy, I just want to be in the zone the whole time and have no
swing thoughts at all, right? Isn't that the best way?
No, swing thoughts. Don't be thinking, don't think
that's how you play Rask off. You know, this kind of urban
legends passed down from generation to generation of
golfers. Well that was Knowles.
You know, he had heard that growing up is you know a player
you being told just don't think about it, you know, don't think
about your swing when you play right?
Well I think we've all heard that and so he studied at he
created a study to figure this out and he it started with this
exercise. This drill to help people
minimize those swing thoughts and to swing without thought it
was called the flow drill. And the aim is Is that, you
know, you're standing behind the ball.
I've no say, three three paces, and you do all your thinking in
your preparation there. So you're not being mindless,
you're doing your shot planning, you're picking your Target, have
your practice swing there and you know, in your practice,
swing have a maybe to swing thoughts, but then align
yourself behind the behind, the, the line of the ball and the
Target. And then once you commit to to
walking in, it's like putting your lead foot on a conveyor
belt. It did the thing is moving
Irving and there's nothing's going to stop you now other than
putting your feet in and setting the club moving.
So the big thing is they're not to worry too much about where
you're aiming and your ball position Etc.
Because that's that's now you know, creating all that internal
checking and self-referencing, put your feet down, get
reasonably comfortable, and the moment that club touches the
ground near the ball, you take it away and begin to swim.
So he went out and tested this drill, he you know, he got
people to do it and create a formal study.
And figure it out. Would this help people play
better golf. Oh, my stomach to that, with
that. As a fairly analytic or Chap.
And as a young player I would, it's I would choke something
horribly in competition. I mean, I could show shoot 20
shots more than I did in the practice round, I mean properly
choking and when that when that would happen, I would be, you
know, absolutely riddled with swing thoughts.
Some trying to control every aspect of the movement.
And that's, you know, that's something that pressure does to
talk to a lot of us. It makes us Once a kind of
control and make sure that we don't, we don't mess up, and I'm
sure a lot of your, a lot of your listeners will relate to
that. And then, you know, and as
things progressed and I became a coach, I got involved in a
brilliant Academy, and their whole kind of philosophy was
about, you know, moving fluidly and not.
Not thinking too much about about the technique.
And as much as, you know, I would say that's that's fairly
limited. It does have huge benefits.
So the research was had this fantastic Intervention, which
Basically stop people think about their swing other than a
few very basic holistic thoughts.
And the idea was you would you get yourself focused behind the
ball? Have your practice swing?
You'd walk into the ball, plant your feet and hit it.
I mean not not in there. Completely Happy Gilmore way but
you know, you've got enough time to set yourself and then get
moving. But what you don't have enough
time to do is to stand over the ball.
Stop think, worried and engaging.
All the kind of self instruction that would typically go on when
you're when you're standing on the First Tee that intervention.
I used to use a lot and I still use it, but I mean, I used to
use a lot when used with the right person at the right time,
which is unbelievably transformational.
I mean, I've seen people who are at their wit's end with the
game. All of a sudden, move fluidly
and balance powerfully, and the strike is entirely different to
what they would have expected previously, just by being forced
into that state of of automaticity and low swings for.
So those results were undeniable and I've seen them time Time
again. But I was also seeing golfers
who I would I would I had used the same kind of intervention
with and it just didn't work. I mean, in fact, it made it made
them worse and I've had to kind of back out very quickly.
So now after a few years of doing this, I mean I could see
there was something with them. So I wanted to, I wanted to
really pursue that and get some get some research done and there
wasn't much research done on it at the time, I mean, any
research done on automaticity. So that's that, you know, not
thinking about your swing in golf.
Is all done on cutting and putting is so it is a, you know,
completely different task mechanically and obviously.
So we were going into new territory really with the full
swing that they've been no, no, no studies.
On the full swing and swing thoughts previously.
So, there we go. I'm in.
The aim was really, if I'm honest for me to find out why
this works and how I can make it work with more people and then
revolutionize the way that we learn and play golf.
But as the study panned out, it turned out to be a lot more
complicated than that. The first of five studies was
on, I mean, we looked, we looked at the we looked at that that
intervention under pressure, non-pressure and compared the
two and then what we found initially and bear in mind, this
is with fairly good players. I mean, these were all six
handicap and below and we found that there as a group there
wasn't any any difference as to when they were, you know, using
the intervention or not using intervention but you know, and
incidentally we were, we were monitoring and checking whether
it had reduced their swing for which was Affirmed.
I mean, the intervention worked on that front but their
performance hadn't hadn't changed which was, you know,
somewhat disappointing because I really thought I was onto
something with this drill. So you know over the next few
years we did lots of variations of the drill.
We gave people time to go away and practice it and get used to
it because it was slightly harsh, being forced to stand the
stand on the tea quickly and hit it.
But even after practice, so there was no groupwise groupwise
some results from a performance standpoint.
So, you know, it's actually not heads.
We looked further through the data and I mean, it was pretty
clear that some people were getting better when they were
forced to not think about their swing and they were getting
better in a Obvious. And you know, impressive way
some people's performance got a bit worse.
So that's that's why the whole kind of groupwise average never
improved. So then we had to start digging
around as to try and find out why some people are getting
better and why some people aren't and that took us down
that route of looking at personality traits, But we did
find then was that people with a larger working memory capacity.
So basically, the ability to hold onto information in their
head and process at the same time which is what we're doing
when we're swinging with swing thoughts.
These people did a lot better with the intervention, so these
people were able to walk up to the ball, put their feet in and
hit it fairly quickly. Those people tended to get
better with the intervention, those with a small working
memory capacity or smaller didn't do so well, we also Look
that other cognitive traits such as whether people were
predominantly had a processing style of being auditory or more
visuals her. So the Oddity people will be
thinking more kind of verbal terms, lots of self talk anyway,
and the visual people would obviously thinking more in
pictures and again there was quite a big difference there.
The the order of the the verbalizes of that were called
The Odyssey people found that found the intervention.
Again a lot more a lot more helpful.
I hope that you have come a long way.
Here in your conversation in your awareness of Swing
thoughts. The impact that they have and
how to potentially think about them.
Here's the truth that playbox your swing thoughts.
The feels that you have the state that you're in all of
those words before you hit a golf shot are very, very
important. So don't tread lightly when it
comes to what you're thinking over the golf ball, be
intentional about how you approach that space and have a
plan Tas. Stout some of these ideas that I
talked about earlier in the round, test out Knowles flow,
drill that he described here, go try different things and see
what works for you. A few things that I think you
should do. One pick up the be a player book
by Pia Nielsen and Lynn Marriott.
It's in the post. Along with this podcast, I think
you should pick that up and read that read about the think, box,
decision, line and play box and start to be very intentional
about how you treat that space to I think you need to.
To the golf course and the driving range in.
Try out different ideas and see what works for you.
And three I think before you go play golf and you're trying to
perform at your best, you need to write down whether that's in
the notes app on your, on your phone or that's on the scorecard
that you have. What that playbox what that
swing thought for the day is going to be for you.
So that you intentionally get in that state and you focus on
getting in that state every time because otherwise you know how
around goes you. I mean you make a bogey of
double Gee, you know, you get frustrated and then you're just
trying right? Or you let's say you make a
birdie, make a couple birdies and then you're kind of like oh
man, this is you know, I got to keep making birdies blah blah
blah and you get out of that state that help you get there in
the goal is not to be reactive, you know?
Because golf is a variable game, there's going to be ups and
downs highs and lows and that's understandable.
We don't need to react to that. We need to.
We need to stay aware of what we're doing, because swing
thoughts and all these things are normal.
The doubts that you have. Have the, you know, the thoughts
that you have are normal and you don't need to get freaked out
and go down this reactionary path.
So anyways those are my thoughts.
We've learned a lot here today. We've gotten some different
perspectives. We've heard some good stories.
We've gotten some understanding. I enjoyed this.
If you want to learn more mark, immelman his podcast on the
Mark, I was actually just on it. He had me on his show, which was
amazing. We had this conversation about
practice and learning, it's really fun.
Go subscribe to his podcast, listening, Knoll we have links
to some coaching that he has created.
He has some great online education that you should go
check out. He's a great coach, he has this
great perspective with this research background, his
understanding of learning his understanding of how, the, you
know, how are the brain works and all that stuff.
F is really, really good. I recommend that you check out
what he's doing. I have some links on the post
long. At this podcast you should go
check out what he's up to and then Matt Matt I hope you play
awesome at the US, Open this weekend.
We're all cheering for you here at the golf Science Lab podcast,
all the listeners. I hope that you go at Star him
on the leaderboards. You can keep track of how he's
doing this week play. Well, if you missed it, we told
his story on the podcast a little bit ago, go listen to
that. I also on the post along with
this link up a bunch of current podcast that we've done in the
past that relate to this kind of about external focus and just so
you can think about that as well.
Thanks so much for listening. I enjoyed this.
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line. This episode was hosted written
and directed by me. Corey Walker.
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