1 00:00:00,900 --> 00:00:04,500 Today we are dressing something that every single one of us 2 00:00:04,500 --> 00:00:08,900 deals with no exceptions from a 25 handicapper to Tiger Woods, 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:14,000 it's swing thoughts. There's something that is going 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,300 on. In our brains only, spend a golf 5 00:00:15,300 --> 00:00:16,600 club. There's something that we have 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,700 to focus on and those have an impact on our performance. 7 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:23,600 And today, we're sitting down with a few different guests to 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,200 talk about this topic. One of those is going to be mark 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:31,200 zimmelman back in 2008 when I was Upping my brother Trevor at 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,400 the Masters. He was hitting the golf ball 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,000 beautifully and we arrived in Augusta. 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,800 Georgia. And he was battling with his 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,500 puting. In fact, it missed the cut at 14 00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:44,200 the Houston, open the week prior and and was just a function of 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,100 the ball not going into the hole and and I'd seen some footage 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,200 and I thought the stroke was okay. 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,900 But the problem with the golfer always is that when things are 18 00:00:52,908 --> 00:00:56,700 going awry, the informed golfer, I should say, they'll typically 19 00:00:56,700 --> 00:00:59,400 look upon themselves and trying to adjust something. 20 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,000 So I went to Augusta and I I just had to go and I said to him 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,500 let's just check it out in the morning. 22 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:10,500 So we got together and and I just gave him the simple image 23 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,400 of hitting putts in a yes and no formats. 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,200 And the main goal being to try and start the ball on the 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,700 intended line, we used a ball marker and put that a couple 26 00:01:21,700 --> 00:01:24,800 feet out in front of the golf ball about a foot and a half on 27 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,600 the intended line and the goal was to roll the ball over the 28 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,100 marker. And if You struck the putt well 29 00:01:31,100 --> 00:01:34,300 and it rolled over that marker. It was a yes, but if you 30 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:37,000 struggled poorly and you miss the marker, it was a no putts 31 00:01:37,900 --> 00:01:40,900 and what he quickly realized when we had done this for about 32 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:45,500 10-15 minutes was that some of his no pipes went in the hole 33 00:01:46,100 --> 00:01:49,600 and some of these. Yes, pets didn't and so it sort 34 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:54,400 of freed him up a little bit. And so the idea there was okay, 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,100 the thought here is to roll a ball over that targets. 36 00:01:58,300 --> 00:02:03,100 The rest of this is out of my I have control and so that to me 37 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:05,600 was sort of the ultimate swing thought, and that it was 38 00:02:05,900 --> 00:02:09,800 somewhat mechanical it was somewhat actionable and there 39 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:15,400 certainly was a meaningful feedback from from the swing 40 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,800 thought. You know, others? 41 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,400 I've seen were Gary Player who've mentioned to me about 42 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,700 when he hits Fairway bunker shots, how he focuses on a 43 00:02:23,700 --> 00:02:27,500 dimple on the front side of the golf ball Ting ensure clean 44 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:30,900 contact another good swing. We thought I've heard was 45 00:02:30,900 --> 00:02:34,600 something Bubba, Watson shared where when he said he tried to 46 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,300 hit a drive a little longer and a little harder. 47 00:02:37,700 --> 00:02:39,700 The key was to complete the backswing. 48 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:43,200 So he's thought was to try and kiss his shoulder at the top of 49 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,600 the Swing which would ensure that the body pivot was 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,900 completed and the the mechanism was wound up a little bit more. 51 00:02:50,900 --> 00:02:54,100 So there are various ways that it can take it on but I think 52 00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:57,500 the ones that stand out to me the most were definitely those 53 00:02:57,500 --> 00:02:59,800 three with obviously the 2008 March. 54 00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:05,700 Has being extra special, you are listening to the gulf Science 55 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:08,300 Lab podcast. My name is Corey Walker, and I'm 56 00:03:08,300 --> 00:03:10,700 on a mission to figure out how to improve the way that we learn 57 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,100 and get better at golf. I've been able to travel all 58 00:03:13,100 --> 00:03:15,400 over the world talking to the leaders in the industry from 59 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,200 instructors, to researchers, to Golfers themselves learning how 60 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,900 they're getting better at golf and what that means for you. 61 00:03:28,300 --> 00:03:31,500 So today we are looking at swing thoughts and we're going to do 62 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:35,800 it in a few different ways. Our first way is from kind of 63 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:38,900 This research idea what's been done on that and we have dr. 64 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:41,900 No Russo, who's coming on. He has this great perspective, 65 00:03:41,900 --> 00:03:44,600 he's an instructor, a coach of a player and he's done. 66 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,200 A lot of work to try to figure this out. 67 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,700 He's been a contributor on the site before I really enjoy his 68 00:03:49,700 --> 00:03:53,400 perspective and so he's gonna be on bringing that number two. 69 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,300 To we have kind of the story of anecdotes from that party Ali 70 00:03:57,500 --> 00:03:58,300 play, everyone. The u.s. 71 00:03:58,300 --> 00:04:03,000 Madam in 2017 and he's actually back at the US, Open this 72 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,400 weekend. He went made it through 73 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,500 sectionals and everything, which is amazing. 74 00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:09,800 He's on the podcast a little bit ago, telling his story, how he 75 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,000 got so good. And then, finally, we have Mark 76 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,100 immelman, he has a brilliant podcast on the Mark. 77 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:17,399 He's an instructor a coach to Monk's a number of different 78 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:20,600 things in the industry. Great perspective as well. 79 00:04:20,899 --> 00:04:23,900 I'm excited. Let's get to it this Cast is 80 00:04:23,900 --> 00:04:27,600 sponsored by gravity fit we all want to swing it like at your 81 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,000 pro, right? So we're working on our golf 82 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,200 swings. 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Honestly, I think oftentimes, 103 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:41,300 when a goal is to find a when a mission is objectified, it helps 104 00:05:41,300 --> 00:05:44,600 the individual focus a little bit more intently. 105 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,700 And so the swing thought to me is a call to action and so 106 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:51,500 instead of just getting over the golf ball and having a happy 107 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:55,100 Hitchin sort of hoping for the best, having a swing thought is 108 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,300 The key to making sure that the necessary is taken care of. 109 00:05:59,300 --> 00:06:03,100 And I think having a swing thought, as far as I'm 110 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:05,800 concerned, as an integral part of success. 111 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:11,000 I'd rather have one the nun, and I'd certainly have rather have 112 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,700 one been plenty. I think plenty can throw the cat 113 00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:16,900 amongst the pigeons now, not all swing. 114 00:06:16,900 --> 00:06:20,900 Thoughts are created equal. We all can relate. 115 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:23,900 You have that one feel which works really well. 116 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:26,200 You have another feel you just juggle with and you're trying to 117 00:06:26,207 --> 00:06:29,900 find a new one. Matt talks about what a good 118 00:06:29,900 --> 00:06:32,500 swing thought is for him in his game. 119 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,200 I would say it's half feelings, it's half what you're thinking 120 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,300 and it could be, it could be none of those. 121 00:06:43,300 --> 00:06:47,400 It's what works for you on the course, to perform at your best 122 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:50,400 and I want to try it lightly in this because if people hear 123 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,300 this, they're going to think. Oh, I have to have this swing 124 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:54,800 van. I have to do this, the second, 125 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,200 you try to force something, you create tension. 126 00:06:57,500 --> 00:07:02,800 So, whatever it is that you do to have no tension and be free, 127 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,000 which Greg and I talked about all the time. 128 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,100 Free. We don't like the word, but it's 129 00:07:07,100 --> 00:07:10,300 kind of the word you have to use whatever creates that. 130 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:13,300 That's that's what you do it. If that's what you want to go 131 00:07:13,308 --> 00:07:15,800 down and depressed stuff, you don't want to change last 132 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,900 minute. So let's take a look at the 133 00:07:17,907 --> 00:07:21,100 research side here. Research has put swing thoughts 134 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:25,400 in a few different groups, categories of how we can label 135 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,600 these. So, let's have null explain 136 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,800 those. Now, one, swing thought is not 137 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,200 the same as, you know, as another from a whole number of 138 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,600 perspectives. So, if you look at the different 139 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,700 time to swing thoughts, you've obviously got in the way that 140 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:42,700 you've alluded to there. The internal external focus of 141 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:45,900 attention, which is I'm sure most of your listeners will be 142 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:49,600 fairly aware of that, which is a brilliant line of research. 143 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,000 So internal Focus being on your body and how you kind of control 144 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,500 that and external being on more the effect of the movement. 145 00:07:57,500 --> 00:08:00,900 So in the golf swing that's going to be predominantly the 146 00:08:00,900 --> 00:08:05,300 club and the club face the idea there being that your You know, 147 00:08:05,308 --> 00:08:09,900 if you're focusing on the external factors, IE the club 148 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:13,800 face, then you are just then allowing your body to in your 149 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,400 brain to self organize the movement in order to coordinate 150 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,100 the club face. In that way, you're going to be 151 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:23,600 much more automatic. The research, which suggests a 152 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,900 lot less prone to her to Breaking Down Under Pressure as 153 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:28,200 well. So in this huge advantages of 154 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,300 that external Focus well as internal Focus, you know, you've 155 00:08:31,300 --> 00:08:33,900 got to really think about how the body moves and that may not 156 00:08:33,900 --> 00:08:37,000 be in a way. That relates to the to the task. 157 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,900 Now you might be thinking a lot about your backswing when you're 158 00:08:39,900 --> 00:08:43,000 chipping and that may give you a fantastic backswing but not 159 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,300 necessarily the right distance on the shot or the strike Etc. 160 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:49,100 So that's yeah, that's the internal external Focus but 161 00:08:49,100 --> 00:08:51,900 there's lots of other categories as well. 162 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:55,100 So then you've got the kind of part movement or holistic 163 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,000 movement so you know how much you break great the movement 164 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,400 down is, you know, it's significant as well, isn't it? 165 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,600 I mean if I'm just thinking on the course about like that Turn 166 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,400 turn back, turn through. I mean, that's that's that 167 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,900 that's thought pretty much covers the whole the whole 168 00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:13,200 swing. But in very broad terms where as 169 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,100 you know, if I broke in my swing down into where my elbow points 170 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:19,500 at the top of the backswing, and maybe another checkpoint two, 171 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,700 well, yeah, that they are two very precise and distinct my 172 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:26,300 lineman's. I'm trying to create, I mean, 173 00:09:26,300 --> 00:09:29,800 that is going to break down the fluidity of the motion, but 174 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,100 that's not to say it's, you know, it's completely wrong if 175 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:34,900 you've practiced while thinking about those two. 176 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,700 Those two swing thoughts and it and that that thought process 177 00:09:38,700 --> 00:09:41,400 has been chunked in is something that you can now deal with quite 178 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,900 easily than that may work for you very nicely but certainly 179 00:09:44,900 --> 00:09:47,900 not you know as a new swing thought on the day I would I 180 00:09:47,900 --> 00:09:51,400 would keep it very Broad and ideally her, a whole movement, 181 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,600 Focus would be a lot better under pressure. 182 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,800 I do like the external where you're thinking of the call 183 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,300 hack. You're thinking of like you 184 00:10:02,300 --> 00:10:04,900 said, maybe it's Target the ball flight. 185 00:10:04,900 --> 00:10:09,000 I bounced around. And I remember playing before 186 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,700 the Masters last year, a swing thought I had it was then a four 187 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:15,200 ball event down in Florida. And I had a I had a great one 188 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,400 that was on the club head and I hit really well that day. 189 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,500 The next day it was completely different and I do remember that 190 00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:23,700 Bentley. Even though the wall ball which 191 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:26,700 is finite And I move on, I don't try to force it, to get it back. 192 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:32,400 And I mean, I move on kind of find the next little thought or 193 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,400 feeling that the feels right at the time are two big categories. 194 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,600 We have external and internal swing thoughts and if you go 195 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,400 back, you can hear an interview with dr. 196 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,100 Gabrielle wolf on external Focus. 197 00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:47,500 She's a researcher who has done a bunch of work on it. 198 00:10:47,700 --> 00:10:50,900 This was probably a couple years ago on the podcast and she was 199 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:54,100 talking about the benefits of external Focus meaning that 200 00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:56,900 you're About something outside of your body, that could be the 201 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,700 flag off in the distance, or the ball flight, or even the ground 202 00:11:00,700 --> 00:11:03,800 under your feet. It's anything outside of you. 203 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:06,700 And that opening story, Mark told about helping his brother, 204 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:08,800 Trevor putting at the Masters, right? 205 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,900 And he was moving to more of an external focus and saw obvious 206 00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:16,200 improvements from going in that direction. 207 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:21,500 I do feel like too many golfers at times if they swing thoughts 208 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:23,400 based. If that's their approach, that, 209 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,000 at times, it can get A bit to internal and a bit too cerebral. 210 00:11:27,300 --> 00:11:31,300 And, you know, at times you can think about trying to, you know, 211 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:34,800 shoot the ball into the basket and then you get to as Gary 212 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,100 Player would say Paralyzed by analysis. 213 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,200 So yeah, there are times I think it's the art of good golf 214 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,100 instruction has to find a way to move the golfer out of his or 215 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:47,900 her head and more into the athletic response of things. 216 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,400 Here's another example of internal and external thoughts 217 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,500 from Matt and listen and see if you can identify if this is this 218 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:57,700 is an internal or external swing thought. 219 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,300 I had a thought of like just the club being in front of me. 220 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,700 I mean, everyone gets stuck in underneath, it's just that every 221 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:08,800 but I just had the feeling of this is two weeks ago of the 222 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,800 club being in front of me as much as possible ahead of me 223 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,500 head of the body. I would say clubhead matched up 224 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:18,500 with the hands, grab that trailing, which it never is. 225 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:22,700 But I thought you Have. And that's not that I've tried 226 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:27,100 to work on my whole, my whole life and the more you get that 227 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:29,300 feeling, I feel like that's where you get the most control. 228 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:32,600 So I would say that that's probably an external thought if 229 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,500 you're focusing on the club or the way to the club, that's 230 00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:39,300 something away from the body, it's not as distal or distant. 231 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,400 As you know spotting on the ground in front of a pot like 232 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,300 Mark talked about but it's more distal or external than thinking 233 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:48,800 about your shoulders or your wrists or something like that 234 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,400 completely. Internal. 235 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:57,100 All right, so this kind of thought leads me to a premise 236 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:02,500 that I hold true and it's not what we are thinking, it's not 237 00:13:02,500 --> 00:13:06,500 the swing thought itself, but it's how it helps us. 238 00:13:06,500 --> 00:13:09,700 Think it's a state of mind. Hit the shot. 239 00:13:09,700 --> 00:13:13,300 You want to hit. In other words, it's the state 240 00:13:13,300 --> 00:13:15,900 that you are in over that shot, this leads me to dr. 241 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:19,300 Debbie Crews, research on performance States shoes on the 242 00:13:19,308 --> 00:13:22,500 podcast in the past as well, and her research shows that there's 243 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:26,200 a particular State that is most conducive for good performance 244 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,800 in that second before you start your golf swing. 245 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,100 So before you bring the club back the second before that 246 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,300 she's found a particular brain State and that's being something 247 00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:37,900 that's kind of level. So we're looking at the right 248 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:39,800 side of the brain and the left side of the brain. 249 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,000 You know, you kind of have your Analytical in your creative 250 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,500 sides. And those are kind of leveled 251 00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:47,200 out, and she has some really compelling research. 252 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,600 He also some training on this is called Opti, and I don't know if 253 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,400 you've seen videos or we've talked about the past, but 254 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,900 there's this head Band The Muse headband and she has some 255 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:57,300 software for it. You can kind of train the state 256 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,800 and my promise to you is that you can feel the difference when 257 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,500 you get in that state when you don't and you can recognize that 258 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:08,700 state is probably the state when you played good golf. 259 00:14:08,700 --> 00:14:12,800 And it's definitely not what you're thinking, it's how you're 260 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,500 thinking it takes work. It takes practice, and it Ebbs 261 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:20,500 and flows. What we have this week as a 262 00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:23,200 swing thought probably isn't the one that's going to. 263 00:14:23,300 --> 00:14:26,500 Be working next week back even into college. 264 00:14:26,500 --> 00:14:30,600 I remember tournaments where I wanted and had success that I 265 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,300 got a thought, maybe the first day or the second day and kept 266 00:14:34,300 --> 00:14:38,400 you going and sure enough the next week, it's a different dot. 267 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:43,100 So I try to move on from them, try to stay fresh because in all 268 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:45,600 honesty I need my swing doesn't really change. 269 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,400 Most people swings don't really change but feelings change of 270 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:57,800 what you trying to do. It's such a Mercurial game, we 271 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,100 play and we live in and play in such a variable environment that 272 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:05,300 having one thing and expecting it to last for a long time. 273 00:15:05,300 --> 00:15:09,700 I think this an unfair approach to it because we just changed 274 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:12,400 like you might wake up in the morning and you might feel a 275 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,100 little tighter in your right shoulder and let's say you've 276 00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:17,600 been trying to get your right shoulder rotated behind you. 277 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:21,000 Well you just can't do that on the day because of circumstance. 278 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:26,100 So Yeah, I think that's why circum swing thoughts very and 279 00:15:26,100 --> 00:15:29,300 but often times, I guess if you look from the 36 thousand foot 280 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:32,900 view, the swing thought will sort of come out of the same 281 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:36,500 environment or the same family, you know, like a golfer working 282 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:40,100 on a Glitz, I got off his shorts, his or her pivots, you 283 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:43,800 know, the swing thought, this week might be, let's rotate the 284 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,000 trail hip behind us more the next week would be. 285 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Well, let's try and get the lead shoulder more under the chin the 286 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,700 next week, maybe we'll Feel the pressure shift between the feet, 287 00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:57,600 you know, those are different thoughts, but in the end, they 288 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,200 all trying to achieve the same goal. 289 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,700 If you look at it from that sort of ethereal sort of a vantage 290 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:06,400 point, I'm always the key to doing me. 291 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,700 Well, as a teacher, is finding a way to communicate with you, so 292 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:15,200 that the message resonates, you know, my message is only as good 293 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,300 as what it's received, and I might have the best stuff in the 294 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:21,900 world, but if it's not received and understood it, I won't be 295 00:16:21,900 --> 00:16:25,300 applied. And so in terms of giving swing 296 00:16:25,300 --> 00:16:29,100 thoughts, again, I may be changing coming from different 297 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:31,900 angles all the time and highlighting different things. 298 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,100 Do you sense this? Do you feel that what are you 299 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:37,100 thinking about? You know, all with the objective 300 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:39,400 of getting the golfer to a place, where they doing the 301 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,000 right thing or the appropriate thing? 302 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,500 So I feel like it's an interesting subject and there's 303 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:46,900 so many ways that it can be approached. 304 00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:50,300 The key for the gotha do is to take ownership of whatever the 305 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:54,200 thought is and Realize that it may be fleeting and it might 306 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,500 just last for only around. But again, that's what we about 307 00:16:57,500 --> 00:17:00,400 because golf is about the next shot and the round with 308 00:17:00,408 --> 00:17:10,700 currently play. Let's talk ideas, Let's test out 309 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:14,900 some Concepts and see if you can go out and find some different 310 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:18,700 swing thoughts and start to think more intentionally about 311 00:17:18,700 --> 00:17:20,000 this. I think that's the biggest thing 312 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,900 is, I hope this conversation brings awareness to you about 313 00:17:22,900 --> 00:17:25,400 what you are thinking in the golf swing. 314 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,600 I'm going to turn here to my friends at Vision 54, Lynn 315 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,300 Marriott and Pia Nielsen because they are excellent at this. 316 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,400 I have they're booked here on the bookshelf. 317 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,200 Next me, I just grabbed it be a player. 318 00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:37,000 One of my favorite golf books out there. 319 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,100 They have a concept called the play box and that is related to 320 00:17:41,100 --> 00:17:43,000 this conversation about swing thoughts. 321 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,900 If you're not familiar, they have this concept called the 322 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:48,800 think box, then we have the decision line, then we have the 323 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,700 play box. So in the think box are going to 324 00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:53,500 do all the processing, we're going to pick the club and do 325 00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:55,900 all of that kind of work. Then we're going to make the 326 00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:57,500 decision. Line of we're committed is what 327 00:17:57,500 --> 00:17:58,700 we're doing. We don't need to think about 328 00:17:58,700 --> 00:18:00,200 that anymore. Then we're going to get into 329 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,900 that play box. And the goal is to create this 330 00:18:02,900 --> 00:18:06,900 athletic state that we can hit the best shot possible and 331 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:09,000 there's a lot of different ways to do this. 332 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,700 You know, we think about Jack Nicklaus talked about how he 333 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:13,400 always visualized, or saw the shot. 334 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,100 I don't know if you've heard that you hear the same Snead 335 00:18:16,100 --> 00:18:17,900 practice Barefoot? He potentially, you know, as 336 00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:21,000 feeling the ground or maybe use that as an anchor tiger talks 337 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,800 about, feeling the shot in his hands that could have been, you 338 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,400 know, kind of his swing thought. So, everyone approaches it a 339 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,900 little differently. You're different than me. 340 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:31,300 You're different than the person next to you. 341 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,500 So the question is how do we figure this out? 342 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,900 Well one is obviously a golf instructor can help you try some 343 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:46,200 different things, but here is a few Concepts to go try. 344 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:51,200 So have you swing thought be visualizing the ball flight, 345 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,100 right? Pretend that there's a trace 346 00:18:53,100 --> 00:18:54,600 like a top Trace around it, right? 347 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:58,000 And visualize that as you swing the club, as you take it back, 348 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,300 maybe you focus on the pressure and your hands on your grip, 349 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:03,400 right? Kind of your anchor, maybe it's 350 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,600 not feeling the pressure in the bottom of your feet and how you 351 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,400 kind of want it to go, you know to the right and the left and 352 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,100 how you want that to feel. Maybe it's a relaxed, your 353 00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:14,800 shoulders, what about feeling and engaged core that's kind of 354 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,500 your swing thought. There could be a full turn, you 355 00:19:17,508 --> 00:19:21,500 into feel a full, turn back and then through or maybe it's you 356 00:19:21,500 --> 00:19:23,400 know feeling the weight of the club. 357 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,000 You want to focus on the the weight of that club as you swing 358 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:27,900 and all these are different ideas. 359 00:19:27,900 --> 00:19:30,600 It one of them might work, one of the might not none of them 360 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,200 might work and you find thing else. 361 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,400 But it's this idea of gaining awareness of these different 362 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,600 things. What's going to work for you and 363 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,500 what's not not getting attached to anything. 364 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:43,000 Because what works for you today, might not work next week. 365 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:47,200 So you need to be, you know, a bit fluid in that again, it's 366 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,600 not what you think. It's how you are thinking and 367 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,500 test some things out. We are such a big fan. 368 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:54,400 I'm such a big fan of testing, right? 369 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,100 We don't do enough testing and golf we don't experiment. 370 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,000 There's nothing to hold onto here. 371 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,700 You don't have to, you don't have to grip on to what you have 372 00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:05,800 because there's, you know, the best place in the world. 373 00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:07,900 Don't, you know, they're changing a few things here. 374 00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:10,800 So we don't either and a post along with this website, I'll 375 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,500 have the link to this book and vision for, they have an app as 376 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:15,200 well. Which helps you practice these 377 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,600 have a few Concepts. I would highly recommend picking 378 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:24,300 that up. Probably the biggest One 379 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,100 external. It's always always going to be 380 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:29,900 helpful. I would suggest not For long 381 00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:32,100 time learning. But I mean if your ball is going 382 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:35,400 offline, focusing on on controlling the clubface and how 383 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,500 you deliver that? I mean that will almost 384 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:40,300 guarantee a significant Improvement without thinking 385 00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:42,600 about how your, how you're having to deal with it and 386 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,000 deliver it on a more technical manner just that focus on 387 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,300 delivering a square clubface in the same way that you know when 388 00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:52,300 you're playing in the wind you know good players report of of 389 00:20:52,300 --> 00:20:54,800 having far less swing thoughts, but they just can't deal with 390 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,400 all the all the complexities of the Swing. 391 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,400 They just focus on what is absolutely critical to the shop. 392 00:20:59,500 --> 00:21:01,400 Shot which is is going to be clubface. 393 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,200 Delivery in terms of obviously Loft in the wind and also face a 394 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,500 got. So so that's one. 395 00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:08,600 I mean, focus on the things that really matter. 396 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,900 So externally that would be that would be clubface, balance 397 00:21:11,900 --> 00:21:16,600 fluidity, big, big holistic thoughts like, you know, turn 398 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,200 back, turn through. Stay in Balance, would always 399 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,800 Trump smaller detailed elements of the swing. 400 00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:31,000 What I will say is, you know, the trends, I've seen our high 401 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,400 handicap players are far more ball focused than light handicap 402 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,100 players. I mean, most professionals would 403 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:41,000 report not really looking at the ball and certainly, not thinking 404 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,000 about it, a great deal, which is, in massive, contrast to know 405 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,100 to weekend golfers who have a strong bull focus. 406 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:50,900 And you can see in the movement, which case, I mean, the thought 407 00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:54,400 to just turn through an end. Good balance, I think is 408 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,000 brilliant. I mean, having any thoughts that 409 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,100 are Beyond impact? I think I generally very good 410 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,100 and far more helpful than the positioning of the of the club 411 00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:05,400 at the top of the backswing, ETC, try and trying to get to a 412 00:22:05,408 --> 00:22:07,900 good finish is always a good thought to have. 413 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,000 If you've been listening to this whole episode in your like 414 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,200 Cordy, I just want to be in the zone the whole time and have no 415 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,000 swing thoughts at all, right? Isn't that the best way? 416 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,700 No, swing thoughts. Don't be thinking, don't think 417 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:24,500 that's how you play Rask off. You know, this kind of urban 418 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:28,200 legends passed down from generation to generation of 419 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,200 golfers. Well that was Knowles. 420 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,400 You know, he had heard that growing up is you know a player 421 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,200 you being told just don't think about it, you know, don't think 422 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,000 about your swing when you play right? 423 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,600 Well I think we've all heard that and so he studied at he 424 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,500 created a study to figure this out and he it started with this 425 00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:46,600 exercise. This drill to help people 426 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,600 minimize those swing thoughts and to swing without thought it 427 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,700 was called the flow drill. And the aim is Is that, you 428 00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:55,100 know, you're standing behind the ball. 429 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,600 I've no say, three three paces, and you do all your thinking in 430 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,200 your preparation there. So you're not being mindless, 431 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,800 you're doing your shot planning, you're picking your Target, have 432 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,000 your practice swing there and you know, in your practice, 433 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,500 swing have a maybe to swing thoughts, but then align 434 00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:14,800 yourself behind the behind, the, the line of the ball and the 435 00:23:14,808 --> 00:23:17,500 Target. And then once you commit to to 436 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:21,600 walking in, it's like putting your lead foot on a conveyor 437 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,200 belt. It did the thing is moving 438 00:23:23,300 --> 00:23:26,100 Irving and there's nothing's going to stop you now other than 439 00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:28,700 putting your feet in and setting the club moving. 440 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,400 So the big thing is they're not to worry too much about where 441 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,200 you're aiming and your ball position Etc. 442 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,300 Because that's that's now you know, creating all that internal 443 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,400 checking and self-referencing, put your feet down, get 444 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,400 reasonably comfortable, and the moment that club touches the 445 00:23:44,408 --> 00:23:46,700 ground near the ball, you take it away and begin to swim. 446 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,400 So he went out and tested this drill, he you know, he got 447 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,000 people to do it and create a formal study. 448 00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:56,000 And figure it out. Would this help people play 449 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,400 better golf. Oh, my stomach to that, with 450 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,700 that. As a fairly analytic or Chap. 451 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:05,100 And as a young player I would, it's I would choke something 452 00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:08,900 horribly in competition. I mean, I could show shoot 20 453 00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:11,000 shots more than I did in the practice round, I mean properly 454 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,900 choking and when that when that would happen, I would be, you 455 00:24:13,900 --> 00:24:16,100 know, absolutely riddled with swing thoughts. 456 00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:18,700 Some trying to control every aspect of the movement. 457 00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:21,400 And that's, you know, that's something that pressure does to 458 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,800 talk to a lot of us. It makes us Once a kind of 459 00:24:23,808 --> 00:24:26,700 control and make sure that we don't, we don't mess up, and I'm 460 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:29,200 sure a lot of your, a lot of your listeners will relate to 461 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,000 that. And then, you know, and as 462 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,400 things progressed and I became a coach, I got involved in a 463 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,600 brilliant Academy, and their whole kind of philosophy was 464 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,300 about, you know, moving fluidly and not. 465 00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:42,200 Not thinking too much about about the technique. 466 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,300 And as much as, you know, I would say that's that's fairly 467 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:47,600 limited. It does have huge benefits. 468 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,200 So the research was had this fantastic Intervention, which 469 00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:56,500 Basically stop people think about their swing other than a 470 00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:58,500 few very basic holistic thoughts. 471 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:01,000 And the idea was you would you get yourself focused behind the 472 00:25:01,008 --> 00:25:02,300 ball? Have your practice swing? 473 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,400 You'd walk into the ball, plant your feet and hit it. 474 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,400 I mean not not in there. Completely Happy Gilmore way but 475 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,700 you know, you've got enough time to set yourself and then get 476 00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:12,100 moving. But what you don't have enough 477 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:13,900 time to do is to stand over the ball. 478 00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:16,200 Stop think, worried and engaging. 479 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,500 All the kind of self instruction that would typically go on when 480 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:23,000 you're when you're standing on the First Tee that intervention. 481 00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:26,300 I used to use a lot and I still use it, but I mean, I used to 482 00:25:26,308 --> 00:25:29,600 use a lot when used with the right person at the right time, 483 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,900 which is unbelievably transformational. 484 00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:35,600 I mean, I've seen people who are at their wit's end with the 485 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,700 game. All of a sudden, move fluidly 486 00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:42,000 and balance powerfully, and the strike is entirely different to 487 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,700 what they would have expected previously, just by being forced 488 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:49,300 into that state of of automaticity and low swings for. 489 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,500 So those results were undeniable and I've seen them time Time 490 00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:56,100 again. But I was also seeing golfers 491 00:25:56,100 --> 00:26:00,200 who I would I would I had used the same kind of intervention 492 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,100 with and it just didn't work. I mean, in fact, it made it made 493 00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:05,300 them worse and I've had to kind of back out very quickly. 494 00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:08,300 So now after a few years of doing this, I mean I could see 495 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:11,200 there was something with them. So I wanted to, I wanted to 496 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,000 really pursue that and get some get some research done and there 497 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,100 wasn't much research done on it at the time, I mean, any 498 00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:21,400 research done on automaticity. So that's that, you know, not 499 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,100 thinking about your swing in golf. 500 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,700 Is all done on cutting and putting is so it is a, you know, 501 00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:29,600 completely different task mechanically and obviously. 502 00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:33,100 So we were going into new territory really with the full 503 00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:35,800 swing that they've been no, no, no studies. 504 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,700 On the full swing and swing thoughts previously. 505 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:38,900 So, there we go. I'm in. 506 00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:42,500 The aim was really, if I'm honest for me to find out why 507 00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:46,000 this works and how I can make it work with more people and then 508 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:48,600 revolutionize the way that we learn and play golf. 509 00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:51,600 But as the study panned out, it turned out to be a lot more 510 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,800 complicated than that. The first of five studies was 511 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,300 on, I mean, we looked, we looked at the we looked at that that 512 00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:03,400 intervention under pressure, non-pressure and compared the 513 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,600 two and then what we found initially and bear in mind, this 514 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,100 is with fairly good players. I mean, these were all six 515 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:12,300 handicap and below and we found that there as a group there 516 00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:15,400 wasn't any any difference as to when they were, you know, using 517 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,800 the intervention or not using intervention but you know, and 518 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,600 incidentally we were, we were monitoring and checking whether 519 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,500 it had reduced their swing for which was Affirmed. 520 00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:25,700 I mean, the intervention worked on that front but their 521 00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:28,400 performance hadn't hadn't changed which was, you know, 522 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,800 somewhat disappointing because I really thought I was onto 523 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:38,400 something with this drill. So you know over the next few 524 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,700 years we did lots of variations of the drill. 525 00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:43,800 We gave people time to go away and practice it and get used to 526 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,500 it because it was slightly harsh, being forced to stand the 527 00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:48,000 stand on the tea quickly and hit it. 528 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,000 But even after practice, so there was no groupwise groupwise 529 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,700 some results from a performance standpoint. 530 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,900 So, you know, it's actually not heads. 531 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,900 We looked further through the data and I mean, it was pretty 532 00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:03,600 clear that some people were getting better when they were 533 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,500 forced to not think about their swing and they were getting 534 00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:09,700 better in a Obvious. And you know, impressive way 535 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,400 some people's performance got a bit worse. 536 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,000 So that's that's why the whole kind of groupwise average never 537 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,600 improved. So then we had to start digging 538 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,100 around as to try and find out why some people are getting 539 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,100 better and why some people aren't and that took us down 540 00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:34,100 that route of looking at personality traits, But we did 541 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:39,900 find then was that people with a larger working memory capacity. 542 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:43,200 So basically, the ability to hold onto information in their 543 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,300 head and process at the same time which is what we're doing 544 00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:47,000 when we're swinging with swing thoughts. 545 00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:49,900 These people did a lot better with the intervention, so these 546 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:52,600 people were able to walk up to the ball, put their feet in and 547 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,300 hit it fairly quickly. Those people tended to get 548 00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:58,200 better with the intervention, those with a small working 549 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,700 memory capacity or smaller didn't do so well, we also Look 550 00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:04,600 that other cognitive traits such as whether people were 551 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,000 predominantly had a processing style of being auditory or more 552 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,300 visuals her. So the Oddity people will be 553 00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:14,200 thinking more kind of verbal terms, lots of self talk anyway, 554 00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:18,700 and the visual people would obviously thinking more in 555 00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:21,300 pictures and again there was quite a big difference there. 556 00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:24,400 The the order of the the verbalizes of that were called 557 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,900 The Odyssey people found that found the intervention. 558 00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:28,600 Again a lot more a lot more helpful. 559 00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:31,400 I hope that you have come a long way. 560 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,700 Here in your conversation in your awareness of Swing 561 00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:37,800 thoughts. The impact that they have and 562 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,400 how to potentially think about them. 563 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,900 Here's the truth that playbox your swing thoughts. 564 00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:46,500 The feels that you have the state that you're in all of 565 00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:50,200 those words before you hit a golf shot are very, very 566 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,900 important. So don't tread lightly when it 567 00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:55,500 comes to what you're thinking over the golf ball, be 568 00:29:55,500 --> 00:30:00,100 intentional about how you approach that space and have a 569 00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:03,100 plan Tas. Stout some of these ideas that I 570 00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:06,100 talked about earlier in the round, test out Knowles flow, 571 00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:09,600 drill that he described here, go try different things and see 572 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,300 what works for you. A few things that I think you 573 00:30:12,308 --> 00:30:15,600 should do. One pick up the be a player book 574 00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:17,300 by Pia Nielsen and Lynn Marriott. 575 00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:22,000 It's in the post. Along with this podcast, I think 576 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,500 you should pick that up and read that read about the think, box, 577 00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:27,300 decision, line and play box and start to be very intentional 578 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,400 about how you treat that space to I think you need to. 579 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:33,300 To the golf course and the driving range in. 580 00:30:33,308 --> 00:30:38,300 Try out different ideas and see what works for you. 581 00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:42,200 And three I think before you go play golf and you're trying to 582 00:30:42,208 --> 00:30:45,300 perform at your best, you need to write down whether that's in 583 00:30:45,308 --> 00:30:48,900 the notes app on your, on your phone or that's on the scorecard 584 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:52,200 that you have. What that playbox what that 585 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,100 swing thought for the day is going to be for you. 586 00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:56,500 So that you intentionally get in that state and you focus on 587 00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,900 getting in that state every time because otherwise you know how 588 00:30:58,908 --> 00:31:00,900 around goes you. I mean you make a bogey of 589 00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:03,800 double Gee, you know, you get frustrated and then you're just 590 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,700 trying right? Or you let's say you make a 591 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:08,200 birdie, make a couple birdies and then you're kind of like oh 592 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,600 man, this is you know, I got to keep making birdies blah blah 593 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,100 blah and you get out of that state that help you get there in 594 00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:16,900 the goal is not to be reactive, you know? 595 00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,000 Because golf is a variable game, there's going to be ups and 596 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,500 downs highs and lows and that's understandable. 597 00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:24,400 We don't need to react to that. We need to. 598 00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:27,400 We need to stay aware of what we're doing, because swing 599 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,500 thoughts and all these things are normal. 600 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,100 The doubts that you have. Have the, you know, the thoughts 601 00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:36,700 that you have are normal and you don't need to get freaked out 602 00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:39,000 and go down this reactionary path. 603 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:41,000 So anyways those are my thoughts. 604 00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:43,500 We've learned a lot here today. We've gotten some different 605 00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:45,700 perspectives. We've heard some good stories. 606 00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:48,400 We've gotten some understanding. I enjoyed this. 607 00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:54,900 If you want to learn more mark, immelman his podcast on the 608 00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:57,700 Mark, I was actually just on it. He had me on his show, which was 609 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,500 amazing. We had this conversation about 610 00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:01,300 practice and learning, it's really fun. 611 00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:06,200 Go subscribe to his podcast, listening, Knoll we have links 612 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,200 to some coaching that he has created. 613 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,300 He has some great online education that you should go 614 00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:11,800 check out. He's a great coach, he has this 615 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,800 great perspective with this research background, his 616 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,200 understanding of learning his understanding of how, the, you 617 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,300 know, how are the brain works and all that stuff. 618 00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,000 F is really, really good. I recommend that you check out 619 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,700 what he's doing. I have some links on the post 620 00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:26,800 long. At this podcast you should go 621 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,600 check out what he's up to and then Matt Matt I hope you play 622 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,500 awesome at the US, Open this weekend. 623 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,700 We're all cheering for you here at the golf Science Lab podcast, 624 00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:39,400 all the listeners. I hope that you go at Star him 625 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,100 on the leaderboards. You can keep track of how he's 626 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:43,300 doing this week play. Well, if you missed it, we told 627 00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:45,700 his story on the podcast a little bit ago, go listen to 628 00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:48,000 that. I also on the post along with 629 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,600 this link up a bunch of current podcast that we've done in the 630 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,000 past that relate to this kind of about external focus and just so 631 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,200 you can think about that as well. 632 00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:58,900 Thanks so much for listening. I enjoyed this. 633 00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:01,100 Make sure to subscribe for what's coming here down the 634 00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:03,100 line. This episode was hosted written 635 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,600 and directed by me. Corey Walker. 636 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,300 You can follow me on Twitter at corty Walker and was edited 637 00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:09,800 mixed, and produced by just hit publish Productions.