If you have ever thought about armlock putting, today's episode
is for you. Sit down with Marty Jurtson.
He is the VP of Fitting and Performance at Ping and all
around a super interesting guy with a ton of knowledge.
And today I'm asking him everything about armlock putters
from what technique to use, why does it work, what are the
drawbacks because there's a big drawback that he talks about and
then what are the specs of a putter that you should look at?
I'm excited about this because this is kicking off a series.
I am. I'm super interested in things
that are kind of on the fringe of golf and armlock putting and
then long broomstick putting are two of those things.
So we're going to do 2 series. We're going to look at armlock
putting and go really deep with coaches, players and guys like
Marty who are involved in the equipment of this.
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Armlock. I guess the question is like,
what's your experience with with armlock putting?
Man, Cordy, man, not me personally, I've tried it all.
I went to a broomstick long putter and I used I did that for
like 20 years and it was mostly like, I think everybody in the
stigmas like popping the balloon on the stigma of putting
alternative style. Now you can do whatever you
want, man. I mean, we, we ran the numbers.
There's more tour, more PGA, higher percentage of PGA Tour
players using broomstick than on the Champions Tour.
So I'm like all the stigmas gone.
There's like permission to trip putt any different style now.
But I did early on because Kevin Stadler used the long putter and
I was, I was playing with him a lot of golf with him at the same
home course in Colorado. We were both amateurs, same age,
playing amateur stuff, and he was kicking everyone's rear end
and just sweeping them in, you know, and I was like, oh, that
looks fun, I'm going to try that.
I didn't have the yips or anything.
I was just wanted to try it and I, I loved it.
But there's a long learning curve to that.
And I think that'd be fun to dive into for both long, long
and in armlock style. But I think there's just
permission to putt with different styles now, you know,
like the stigma's gone. When do you feel like that
changed or like what in your your brain?
Like when did that tick over between like, Oh my gosh, she's
a weirdo because he has, you know, he's using a long putter
to now. It's like pretty normal.
Yeah, no, it, it seemed like it was like in the in the in the
old days, whatever you had, you had Rocco Mediate and these guys
that you had like a couple that did the long putter on the on
the PJ tour, you know, and then VJ did it for a while, but it's
still kind of niche now. You got the young one, the young
kids using the long putter. And I think that's when it
really changed. That's really been the last
like, you know, 5 plus years here, but definitely does not
necessarily make putting easier. There's a long learning curve
and there's different ways I think to power the stroke that's
kind of rooted in some bio mechanics would be to be fun to
dive into. We're going to do it.
I do want to let you know that the hate for the the long putter
is alive and well. If you visit our channel's
YouTube comments, plenty of people.
I broomstick it live on on the channel and there's plenty of
hate out there. So it you know.
You do that and dude, dude, take a nice long time to aim point
your putts and yeah, yeah, you'll be a happy camper
stepping. Everyone's lying on the way up,
too. That's a good idea.
OK, so let's let's kind of start into maybe some of the technical
side of things like you like you talked about.
So let's start with with Armlock.
And you, you said you Armlock right now, right?
Yeah. So actually, so, yeah.
So the last couple years after the anchoring band, so I kind of
moved the long putter off the chest really struggled for about
a year work with David Orr actually on helping me kind of
with some things with the long putter.
I put it, I put it pretty good, but then I went to arm lock had
a really good putting season, but it was, I was very
inconsistent with it. I would be really hot, like my
good putting would be great and my bad putting would be, would
be worse than normal. So then in this last year, I
went to wrist lock with a lighter putter in a little less
like in plane torque, like tension against the through the
lead wrist against my forearm. And I've absolutely loved it.
So I've kind of evolved from arm lock to wrist lock.
And so yeah, I do. I do have personal experience
with long arm lock and wrist lock.
There we go. Is this you use this?
Is this what you do? Yes, that one.
OK, it's funny, I, I built this putter probably like, I don't
know, five years ago, six years ago and I didn't do it right.
And that's we need to talk about that because this is just a
normal putter. Build with it on and it does.
It's not. Don't advise that.
Don't put that grip on a normal putter.
Yeah, yeah. So OK, so I guess why, why is
armlock potentially a better option or like what technically
do you think makes it more beneficial than just a normal,
normal putting stroke? Yeah.
So I think that the very interesting thing about armlock
is that when you think about how you power the stroke like the in
plane torque, I mean it's kind of hot topic in the putting
world like 0 torque. But to power the putter to get
them to solve for the right club head speed of the putter, which
is solving for your speed or your pace control, most of that
is coming through your wrist, through your wrist, applying the
in plane torque. That's like the main torque
you're applying that never gets to 0, not even approaches 0.
That's how you power the putt. So, so for a lot of golfers, if
maybe they're speed controlled or pace controlled, their
ability to solve for the right putter velocity, it impacted
control your pace. If that is variable and you're
kind of maybe overactive, like you have, you have too much
variability in the power or the torque you're creating through
the wrist. That would that would mean you
might be a candidate to try arm lock because you're taking that
main mover out of the stroke on most putts.
And then we'll talk a little bit court about you see Kucher and
these guys hitting a 3040 footer.
They're just using it like a normal putter and the the lock
is coming off. There's no lock.
You know, there's light touch at the beginning and then they're
letting the wrist because you have to add that power to get
your touch on the long putts. So I think the benefit would be
that you're taking out that main mover, that main torque, and
then you're and then in order to power the putter, it needs to
come from somewhere else. So it's coming through the
shoulders, the elbows or the abdominals, right?
Those could be how you power the stroke.
So it could in putting, I think it's it, it can be very
beneficial. And we've seen this with some of
our stack putting data. When people switch putters, they
put better to kind of change your motor pattern.
Like like if you take this main mover, this main torque out and
limit it way down or turn the turn the volume way down, then
you have to in order to control your speed or get some speed
back on the putt power the putter with something else.
You know, elbow, shoulders, abdominals being the being the
main options there. And I think that's, that's, you
know, somebody you might want to try Armlock or if you experiment
with it, you're like, whoa, this is very different.
And it's because you're like, you know, it's like you're
controlling the sound and the, you got the bass and the treble
and you're going to turn the bass way down and you're going
to tweak up the treble a little bit and you get a totally
different experience. So to summarize, we are
currently in a in a normal putting stroke using probably
our wrists to power the putt. A good.
Percentage, yes, OK. And even if we're trying to use
our shoulders, right, they're like roots.
OK, so when we go to arm lock, we're we're going to eliminate,
we're just going to take them out as much as we can.
Yep. So our for our force generators
are now looking at the shoulders and actually having to move
those larger muscles. Yeah, shoulders, elbows, ABS,
you know, or some combination, you know, and that combinations
do a little different for everybody, but it's it's a fun
thing to experiment with. I think for both long and arm
lock or just traditional putting, it's fun to try to just
isolate how you power the stroke.
Like do it like, you know, just play around with like I'm going
to do I Sal Aoki like he's the anti arm lock, right?
He's like no moving anything, just all risk boom, boom.
And the reason why he he and others back in the day, you
watch Arnold Palmer Putt or whatever back in the day had to
do that is because the greens were so slow.
The greens were very slow. Therefore you evolve to just
power it with more risk. Like it's, it's, it's just, it's
just natural nowadays, the greens on tour super fast and
you can have the Matt Kuchers of the world that can do armlock
for a long period of time. Now.
That's kind of my warning to maybe the club golfer out there.
If you're playing, if, if your home course does not have fast
greens, slow greens, like I use armlock at Frisco last year in
the PGA Professional National Championship.
And I had all these like, you know, 30 to 60 foot lag putts
because it's all windy and the greens are firm.
You couldn't get close to a hole.
But I'm trying to hit greens and Reg and I had a really hard time
with like putting there with the arm lock.
So that's the kind of part of why I went to wristlock because
you don't have the power, right. So for your club golfer,
recreational golfer out there, I would probably not advise to do
arm lock if you play on slow green.
If you play on slower greens, I think it's kind of more of a
faster green tour player bias type of technique because of the
powering. Who do you think is a good fit
to make a switch to this? So like I started exploring this
field because for me, if you get me in a lab, you know, like in a
fitting room, like like there I can hit putts and and make
beautiful strokes and make tons of putts with a normal
conventional grip and all this. But if you get me with a sliding
6 footer that I'm trying to make to win a match, like things my
right hand just like things start happening, right?
Yeah. So it's like.
I've been there. I entered that realm of I could
do it really beautifully. Yeah.
In a, in a controlled setting, yeah.
But I couldn't. But I found when, you know, for
me, like that was why I started going down this, this path of
like trying different stuff. Like who?
Who do you think is a good fit? Yeah, so Cordy, man, you nailed
it, man, the six footer, you know, so I talked about powering
the lag putting, but in reality, you know, you know, from all the
strokes gained stuff is that, you know, you're putting skill
from that 4 to 12 foot range 6. If you can make a ton of 6 to 8
footers, you can really separate yourself from the competition.
This is This is why Luke Donald was #1 in the world there for a
while. He he was he was materially
better in that 6 to 8 foot range.
The armlock is great for that in my if you get overactive heebie
jeebies, the shakes, yippie, whatever you want to call it,
because you can. It's it's now that the anchoring
band is in place and you can only fix something below the
elbow. It gives you the ability to Max
out. So I've this is certainly and
maybe you've experienced this when you've played around with
it. Now you can go maximum in plane
torque, like push the putter grip against your forearm and
you I would go maximum, like put all my tension in there, right?
And then do the stroke and power with my abs or shoulders, right?
So it gives you a place to maximize the tension, right?
And I think if you probably, if you measured the forces and
torques that like Bryson is doing through all his wrist
joints and and forearm, you can see the white knuckles happening
in there, you know what I mean? So it gives you that ability to
go maximum on the tension, which is harder, which is obviously
harder if not impossible to do with traditional style putting.
Do you think or have you ever advised somebody who puts fine
with a normal putter to switch to an arm lock or or broom sick?
Or are you pretty much like, hey, if you're fine at the
normal putter, let's just let's keep you going with that?
Yeah, I think, you know, whether it's in the lab or through stack
putting analysis, it's it's, it's, it's, it's only if you're
looking to solve a specific problem, right.
So maybe it is when you're you know, when in the lab you can
roll a good, but in tournament play, you you get nervy, right?
These are the areas. So that's the value of maybe
tracking your encore stats, being very in tune with your,
with your game, your ability to like, you know, I've, I've
certainly experienced this big time myself where I'll use the
technique and practice or casual play and I'm like putting
literally lights out. Then I get in a tournament and
it's, yeah, when the nerves are there, it's, it's not working.
You know, you need to go to something different.
I've, I've gone to the point, even myself, Cordy, where I've,
I've carried 2 putters in one round.
I'm like, dude, I'll arm locks feels great.
But when I get nervy, I need to go back to the long putter, you
know. So I think being very in very in
touch with that with the player is super important.
But to answer your question, I would say no.
Like if if somebody's skill is there with traditional style
putting, maybe it's a grip thing.
Maybe maybe it's going to the claw of the pencil or something
there with you're trying to solve for something with their
lead hand versus trail hand and how they're applying force to
the putter. Again, to it kind of comes down
to what problem you're trying to solve.
Are you trying to solve lag putting pace control?
Are you trying to improve their reduce their delivered face
angle variability? Big 1 and I think Armlock can do
that for folks. It can help them with reducing
their delivered face angle variability if you kind of have
some of the some of the heebie jeebies at times.
I haven't heard that term before but I love it.
Delivered face angle variability.
Walk me, walk me through that like what is what's tour level?
What's amateur? Tell us some about that and how
that. Oh man, we're, we're doing some
awesome research on that. You know, we just got the Zen
green stage. We just did a huge test of like
all different skill levels that are hitting right to left or
left to right or straight putts. And we're looking at both where
they aim, where they intend to aim, where they actually aim,
and then they're delivered face angle variability.
And ultimately it's like breaking putts.
You got to marry this the the read the speed and the start
line to make the putt right. And you have this kind of make
banana, the shape which is you can hit putts higher with less
speed, less break with with more speed or kind of optimal or
middle middle of the road break with with medium speed.
So you have this kind of make banana and certainly we're
seeing that the more skilled players have less delivered face
angle variability to their to their intended start line,
right. So we want to try to solve for
that in the fitting process or you as a golfer want to you want
to train for that or try to reduce that because face angle
in putting is king like path does not matter.
You've probably seen people do those crazy strokes or just
think of Billy Mayfair back in the day with the build, you
know, loopy stroke. But his his delivered face angle
was king is because of the ball flight laws of a putt, you know,
called the putt flight laws, right?
Your face angle is going to control 90% depends on what ball
you're using your face insert and stuff like that.
But let's call it 90% ish of your start line.
So you really want to train and try to reduce that delivered
face angle variability. What?
What do you got any tips for us? Like how do we train that?
What what are the best ways to? I mean, I just look at
everything the tour players do with their block practice.
I mean, that's to me with the, you know, all the little
training aids that are out there with the mirrors and the two TS
and in the Tiger, you know, well, the tiger drills more, a
little bit more for impact centeredness, but all those
things where you train your, your hit it through a couple
tight Tees. There's a million different
drills out there. I think it, you know, leaning
towards the tour players because that's why they spend so much
time on that practice screen hitting their intendants,
because you know, they, they, they evolved to know and realize
with their coaches and then and themselves how important
reducing the delivered face angle variability is.
Yeah. I, I think something really
interesting is my guess is on your studies you've seen that
delivered face angle variability.
There we go, that it's more difficult to control on curving
putts than straight putts, I assume, right?
Yes. Yes, we have seen that, yes.
They're doing UAC pros but I I don't I know probably a lot of
other games don't, but doing start line drills on breaking
putts. Breaking putts absolutely yes,
yeah, yeah, if you're if you're going to spend some time with
that, I think it's and that's exactly what we did when we did
this big Zen test is we said, hey golfer read this putt and
tell us where your intended start line is, right.
So you would go out there and you put a little marker there
and then we would, we would capture that in our, in our
virtual system XXYZ coordinates to see where that golfers
intended start line is. Cordy.
I mean, the results are crazy, man.
We, we should, we could do a whole nother podcast on the
results we saw from this test. Like we have players like me on
one hand where I, my, I try to read the putt very true aim
point is where 2% putts. I'm doing the finger thing.
I'm adjusting the distance for the pace.
I'm trying to get hit the putt in the center of the banana,
which is medium speed for medium capture.
So I'm doing everything very textbook.
Then you got players like my my colleague Jim Canaus, tour
player just won the Colorado Open.
He's like aiming his left to riders, a little rider where he
intended and then he's and then he's aiming his right to left or
is like way, way to the right or where he intended to stardom and
adjusting his speed and his delivered facing on both of
those. He outputs me, but he doesn't a
totally different way. So it's really, really
phenomenal. And then folks different like
pace and targeting strategies. The person who putted best on
this test, who made the most putts had like very drippy like
maximize the capture speed. So he made all the putts.
So the better hit his speed control was he changed his
targeting strategy to make the putt with lower speed and he
made the most putts, right. And maybe that one be the best
practice over over over a career or a season of golf.
But he won. He won the punting contest in
this this big test that we just did with with that strategy.
Wow. Interesting.
OK, OK, All right, sidetrack complete.
Now that we understand face, oh boy.
Variable face. Delivered face angle
variability. Delivered face angle variability
of DFA face. Angle.
Yeah, DFA. Let's come up with a new acronym
here. OK, now we got that under
control. That's our goal obviously, right
with all putting is to to minimize that.
OK, so back to our arm, arm lock.
Give me like learning this. I think that might be one of the
underrated things that people do is they, you know, they had,
they hit some putts for a couple days and they're like, I'm no
better than normal and then they go back to normal.
Yeah, so. Why not a good strategy, yeah.
So when we we when we did a a few tests on arm lock and when
we give folks an arm lock putter who've never, never done it or
practiced it right and we just have them go put eighteen holes.
We measure them on I ping, which is our accelerometers and gyros,
our own app, which which has a consistency score.
Like how consistent is your closing angle, how much you
dynamically close the putt, your line goal and loft delivered law
of variability, your tempo consistency, your face angle
delivery folks are worse. It it, it like if you just
random person never used one hand on a putter, on average,
they're like 5 handicap points worse on our eye ping handicap
score, which correlates to your golf handicap.
So the question is, OK, how do you improve that skill and what
do you do? So things we've seen with
Armlock, a good general guide is to build it 6 1/2 inches longer
than whatever your normal putter is.
So if you're a normal putter, 35 inches and you're like, I'm just
want to order one to try one or whatever, go to 41. 1 1/2, like
6 1/2 inches is a good general guide.
We got a little fuzz in there depending on how long your arms
are and in your posture and things of that nature that I
think you really want to kind of get the ball.
And then in terms of loft, we see folks fit into, most folks
fit into like 4 to 6° of loft. Some go to seven, some go to 8.
Maybe a little on the extreme end when Bubba did it for a
while. Bubba walks and I'll do the
lefty version. He has elbow very in and he
actually didn't add any loft cuz he tucked his elbow weigh in and
didn't add a lot of shaffling. So folks are going to set up a
little bit differently with the arm lock putter.
I think the big thing for a golfer after you get it fit
right for loft and length is to experiment with how much tension
you're applying. And when I say tension, how much
torque you're going to put through the wrist, right?
And I would play around with that, like just in your mind,
say I'm going to rank this on a scale of 1:00 to 10:00 or 1:00
to 5:00. I'm going to do 10 out of 10
here, maximum torque and I'm going to figure out how to power
for it. And maybe that side bending and
a little bit of abdominals. Maybe it's you're going to feel
a little more shoulders. Maybe you have less tension in
your elbows and you're going to get a little elbows through it
like a Kutcher style. And he he powers it with
shoulders and kind of elbows and, and, and abdominals
combined and then go down to like, OK, I'm I'm going to go to
tension level one. I'm going to barely have it kind
of contacting and torque into the lead forearm and putt that
way. I would do an exploration where
you play around with the amount of torque that you apply through
the wrist and just see what see what's better.
You know, you can do it with stack putting and and capture
your data or just kind of do it qualitatively and and play
around with it. I think that's the the best way
to kind of experiment, self experiment and learn the
technique of arm lock. What's the give us the ping
standpoint here? What's the best arm lock putter
there you guys have where? What should people check out?
How do we how do we order that kind of stuff?
Yeah. No, I think we, we just, we just
launched an Oslo version. So we make an Oslo
counterbalanced Oslo CB and that's like it's the headway to
around 400 grams. It's a four at 400 grams and
that's a great option. Yeah, great option.
Center shafted, easy to align. We have the new Alley Blue is a
good option if you're looking to get like a little bit of onset
on the putter. You're still pulling the CGS,
still stabilizes it, but it kind of puts the puts, obviously the
face and lead edge out and you get that long single alignment
line. I think that's super beneficial
for aiming the putter, especially if you use a line on
the ball. So I'd say the Oslo and then our
new Alley Blue onset are two awesome options in our product
family right now. Perfect.
Love it. And so 6 1/2 inches.
And then if let's say someone isn't getting fit and there's
ordering, what loft should they go with?
Like 5-5 degrees of loss. Yeah, five.
Yeah, you play on smoother greens, maybe 4.
If you play on slower, super slow, bumpier greens, maybe 6.
But I think 5 is a Yeah, we do all of our I ping stuff.
We see folks deliver about 1.8° less or more shafling than with
the traditional putter. So most, most putters have about
3° of loft average. So 5 is a is a is a good
adjustment? So let's talk about these these
leg putts then. Sounds like a real issue.
What's for you? Enough to to change, right?
Yeah, Tour Pro is maybe it's not an issue because the greens are
so quick and the ground so firm that they don't have to apply
that much force. So that could be a thing, I
guess. You obviously had to you made a
change because of it, right? Like it was a big enough issue
for you? Yeah, yeah, no.
So I think the thing with lag putting is if you're going to
seriously use the arm lock, you got to, you have to have a
technique for the lags for whatever green speed you're
using. So it could be that you just I
just needed to practice it more according you know what I mean
and just have a technique and I needed to practice like like
super long lag puts more maybe some folks play golf and the
greens are small. You never and fast.
You're never even going to have a situation like this would.
I've noticed some of the tour players and and again, I kind of
default to Kutcher because he's used the arm lock for probably
the longest period of time. When he gets to those those lag
putts, he puts them normal. He just uses it like a mid
length putter and he he lets the putter swing, He lets the shaft
come off his lead forearm and he applied what he's doing is just
applying more torque through the wrist and lagging him up there.
I think that's a good technique. Yes, the loft, your loft might
not be optimized when you do that, but I would not worry
about it. Ball speed is king.
Like you don't need to worry about the launch conditions on
the skid or whatever. You know, I mean, it's like the
equivalent of like you're going to chip with your 7 iron.
You know what I mean? It, it doesn't matter at that
point. Your, your, your main objective
is to get the right ball speed on that putt to get at the right
distance when you lag it. So if you're going to do it and,
and you're like, you listen to this pod, you're like, OK, I
need AI need to be able to lag this.
Just practice with using it like a mid length putter and let the
let the shaft come off. That would that would be my main
tip. When we talk about like reasons
to do this, there are some data like improvements like I have
pulled up here like web Simpson, the before and after was huge
back in 20/16/2018. Will Zala Taurus or some some
benefit there for him like do you think?
I haven't looked at the data specifically, but it's, I don't
know if you guys have, but it's got to be the the short to mid
range putting improvements that help them jump, right?
Is there any data that you've seen that's interesting or that
you remember off top of your head?
I mean on arm lock, I think you get these acute examples, these
N equal 1 examples. If you're if we're players like
that, that are trying to improve in a specific area certainly can
have a major benefit. And again, on tour, it's like
most of the time if the tour can improve, the player can improve
their mid range putts that have the highest impact on their
scoring or strokes game putting, that's going to be the area
they're going to need to solve for.
I think we've seen that with Zealotaurus over the years.
And then yeah, Webb Simpson and you know, he was, he was a good
one, used our crazy putter. That's another good option in
our product family right now. Our new Scottsdale Crazy is a
great option if you're looking for a little like bigger, bigger
mallet. Is it back?
It's the original kind of shape and alignment archetype.
Dude, it's awesome. Yeah, no, crazy's back.
OK. That's another great one to
order is arm lock or mid length modern day kind of mid length
style. Got it.
What I mean, let's sidetrack here for a minute, then let's
maybe look at this guy. Yeah, you like this?
Obviously this idea give me a reason to should I order this
instead of an arm lock like any? So arm lock generally we've seen
the best performance if you go to a head weight of like 400
grams, right? You know, get a little more mask
and optimize the the ball speed and the momentum, especially
since you're taking that big lever out.
And if you if you kind of lock this lever, it it helps to kind
of keep the feel proprioception to go heavy in the head weight
to you that spatial awareness in that sense of where the putter
head is. So with the wrist lock, you can
go to less tension in the wrist either head weight, like I'm
playing mine, I'm playing an alley blue at 370 grams and my
speed control on my pace and my lag putting is superb.
And I've gone to less tension, less in plane torque in the
wrist. So if I use that one to 10
scale, I used to with the arm lock, be it like, you know,
78910, depending on how nervous I was or whatever.
Now I'm living in the three to 4-5 ring of this kind of in
plane torque or tension and my pace control, I can play a
lighter headway putter. And we've seen this in our
putter research time and time again.
Cordy is like if you're trying to improve your lag putting,
generally a lighter headway putter is better.
If you're trying to improve your short putting, generally A
heavier headway putters better. So by going to wrist lock it, it
can be a nice little middle ground where your pace and your
speed and your lag putting can be improved relative to straight
arm lock. That's like heavier, stiffer,
more ridges, but. Got it, Specs on that?
Like how many more inches would you recommend going longer with
this? Yeah, I think mine is.
I think mine is 3 1/2 longer. I can't, I can't remember
exactly the length of that grip, but I think it's like 11 1/2
maybe you know? It looks pretty long.
Yeah, I think I'm, I'm 3 1/2 inches longer, so I think mine's
like 39 if I remember right. And then you got to add some
loft too, I imagine, right? Yeah, Yeah.
So that again, yeah, probably same thing like couple degrees
more. You're still going to set up
with more lean, you're going to still going to deliver with less
dynamic loft. I think good general rules 2°
more loft with with that wrist lock grip as well.
This might be a bit random, but I know some other brands with
Armlock will do like big offsets, right, to try to
account for this forward lean happening, assuming that you're
kind of yeah thing. You guys don't do that, right?
Just kind of a normal, yeah. Yeah.
We just, yeah, You know, I think it comes down to just how much
you want to be, how much we want the golfer pulling the CG to
stabilize it. And so, yeah, I think.
You might have to break that down for us, Break down that,
state that. Sentence Yeah, Joseph.
So just like if you put a tons of, you know, offset on the
putter, a big bend that that that gave the putter tons of
offset, you're creating a bigger distance between the shaft axis
axis, which is where you're kind of applying force through the
grip and the shaft axis and the center of gravity of the head,
right. And if that distance, we kind of
use the distance between the shaft and the CG to control how
much torque about the shaft somebody's applying.
If you make that distance too big, you're going into the
maximum torque putter realm where you're you're going to
force the golfer to apply a lot of rotation about the grip.
And that can be detrimental, right?
I mean, we're in an area where a lot of people or liking
experimenting with less offset or, you know, lower torque, if
you will, style putters. And so that's kind of countered
to to that idea. That can be very beneficial for
a lot of players. There's also a lot of players
that are using deep CG heel shafted mallets, which I I like
to call those maximum torque putters.
So that a lot of golfers are kind of putting with that right
now as well. But no, we've seen with arm lock
the amount of face rotation people in in about the shaft.
So if you had like a GoPro Cam, you're looking down the putter
grip, how much torque twisting the face open and closed on the
backstroke they have is very, very similar to a traditional
style putting. So we in general, we kind of
like keeping the offset, the distance between the shaft and
the CG pretty similar to traditional style putting and
just using offset in the same way you would for for putter
fitting and selection with it with a traditional style.
Got it, got it. OK, But maybe just we'll hit on
the negatives here a little bit. There are some quotes, you know,
if you do a quick Google search, I'm like he's Brad Faxon has
some quotes against it. Billy Horschel.
Some of these guys have said, you know, like, hey, we should
probably ban this method. It's they're doing some locking
here. It's probably not a good idea.
What what's your take on, on the negativity towards some of these
methods? And do you think they'll be
banned here in the next 5-10 years?
I I doubt it. Probably because of the probably
because of the retrospective on banning arm law, banning
anchoring. Like if you look at the number
of tour players anchoring before the anchoring ban and after on
the PGA Tour, especially the younger generation, it's gone
up. The number of the number of two
younger generation tour players using long putters after the
anchoring ban has gone up. I don't know.
There's a, there's not a necessarily a correlation there
to, to performance per SE or it's debatable.
So I don't think it'll be banned.
That being said, I mean you quoted some kind of golf
traditionalist that I generally agree with.
Like I think, and This is why I don't have my kid even though I
see a lot of young generation kids doing arm lock and things
of that nature, I do not have my kids doing that.
I want my kids learning how to power the putt.
I want them doing Tiger Woods putting drills, trailhand only,
right hand only. The magic is in the hands.
The met the magic of the speed is in that right hand and I'm
very much aligned with David or probably a brand facts and
philosophically on that now, even though myself personally in
my older age, man I'm I'm wrist lock clawing it because I don't
care. I'll do whatever to kind of
optimize it for me. But I think it, I think growing
up and as a young age, you should learn how to control the
pace and the ball speed with that trail hand.
Yeah, like. Use the wrist.
You know. Yeah, my 7 year old's the same
way. He's he he wanted, he's got the
ping just blade putter and he just you know, he just gets out
there and he can out. Honestly, he's pretty close to
outputting me at this point. Yeah, but, you know, he's just
all like set up. He's set up funky.
He, you know, his stroke isn't perfect, but boy, does he he
puts, he puts it well and he's learning.
And I love he's just like learning the skill of like ball
and hole, right? He's just like figuring out how
to get it over there. Ball and hole, I have my kids
putt with the right hand only and I, I have them and you
notice our prodigies all have a little bit of toe hang or slide
arc putter because you want kids to, to feel that torque, that
torque they need to apply is good.
It helps them with their proprioception, their mind, body
awareness. If you close your eyes and you
try to swing a putter with no torque, you don't know where the
face is. You're blind.
So you want to turn the dial up on that resistance.
And that resistance is very positive for your spatial
awareness. Love it.
OK. So I guess the the final
prediction armlock putters right now, I guess we've got Bryson is
the big example of this method at this point.
But like in five years from now, do you think we're going to see
more, the same or less of this method used on tour?
I would bet slightly more, but not not like crazy.
I think you'll see slightly more of all alternative style putting
and we'll call that arm lock long mid length is the one that
a lot of folks are doing now and just different grit.
I mean the amount of people using the claw or whatever in
the pencil and all that continues to go up.
So I think you'll just see more diversity in general.
So a little bit more arm lock in the future, but not like not
like A2 or 3X. That's my that's my bet.
Got it perfect okay we we've got everything arm locked figured
out then I want to get your okay I want to I want to cut there on
that thing, but I want to get your take on broomstick.
I don't know what you guys call them long or yeah.
Long, Yeah, okay. It's AI like the the debate
around the term there that. I know that you can only use
trademark stuff and all that I. Know I know.
OK so do you guys I did some digging the other day trying to
find a broom like a long putter on your guys website and can you
make a ping? Dude, yeah, we just launched an
Oslo long, but I don't think it's on our website yet.
But yeah, we just launched one. It's an Oslo long, but yeah,
might not be in our site yet. I well, I've been really kind of
stalked the paying like progression of armlock and
broomstick putters and like you guys did a lot of armlock like.
Over the years, yeah, yeah, yeah, we did.
Yeah, we. Did, but then did you kind of
like the sales didn't work out so then it was just kind of like
all right, we'll just roll it back then and not.
Interesting, interesting Cordy on this topic.
Dude. Can I do a screen share because
we made like a little fitting app for the lawn putter.
Great. Let's do it.
Yeah. OK, cool, let's.
Let's do Do you have time? You have another.
Yeah. Can you share?
Did you have a share button or do I need to do something?
Let me share it. Look at this.
Yeah, it's pretty sweet, we. Just I haven't seen this app.
Is this a public? One or is this a?
This is our fitting app called Ping Copilot.
But eventually we'll probably have this logic like on our
website. OK, got it.
All right, so let's dive into let's dive into your thoughts on
on the long putter. Where does ping sit?
Where do you sit on on this topic?
Yeah. I mean, our our founder, Carson
Solheim was a sweeper. Really.
Yeah. Yeah.
He, you know, the original B90 putter, you know, he worked on
that. And so he was a big proponent of
the long putter. And then you know, the old Sam
Torrance, Rocco Mediate guys, Rocky Thompson, all these guys
use the big Ping B90 long putter for for a long time.
So he was a big proponent of it. So yeah, we, we try to, we try
to support all different styles of putting out there.
I had no idea. OK, I'm going to go on eBay and
buy one of those right now. B 90.
Yeah. OK, OK, I'm I'm into it.
How what's the what timeline was this?
When were those being made? Do you Oh, man, I mean, he, I
think Carson he yeah. No, I mean in the staple like
Ping white staff bag PGA Tour, like in the early, early 80s
whenever everyone's playing iTunes and if you guys were
brooming it out there. Sick.
Okay, awesome, I gotta get one of these.
I'm all in on that. Okay, I'm gonna find one.
Okay, so it's been around forever.
I had no idea then, yeah. B 90 We made a couple versions
of B90. It was a center shafted and it
was a great look, like kind of like a hot dog or whatever shape
to it, you know, swept up on the heel and toe.
And then we made one with the ISO pure insert, you know, it
said Ping in the face, like floating behind the face, you
know, and that's what Kevin Stadler used and a bunch of tour
players used used back in the day.
OK, I see one right now. Buy it now.
Our best offer for 1:48 with the ISO Pure face.
Come on, that would be a good keepsake for you if you pick one
of those up. I like it.
OK, yeah, this series is also just giving me an excuse to like
we're just going to get some cool random broomsticks and arm
locks. OK, so that's it's been around
forever at paying obviously then.
Yep, Yep. And now you guys are bringing it
back. Yeah, yeah.
We're launching the Oslo Long, which is a center shafted Oslo
man. It's a great like mid size kind
of mid between a mallet and a mid mallet size for us single
line on the floor enter shafted which we're seeing long putters
folks, folks still have a little bit of face rotation or a little
closing angle or little kind of in plane torque in general with
the long putter. But center shafted, you know,
there is, there is less face rotation to take a little bit of
the torques out, minimize them just a little bit, which is what
we're doing with the center shaft.
We see that beneficial for most folks.
So yeah, we, we, we. And that's what the old B 90
was, Center shafted version. Got it.
Is that necessary for a good long putter is to have it center
shafted or or no? Yeah.
I mean, I think you see what you see in center shaft most of the
time is, is face balance. So whether it's a double bend to
get there where, where you where you have the shaft still
intersecting the center of the face.
So if you hang it, if you hang it kind of off your finger
there, it would still hang face balanced.
So most folks do best with face balanced or just a little bit of
toe down, you know, like 5-10 degrees to pay on the center
gravity depth there. So that's a good kind of general
guide. But over the years we have built
some long putters with more slide arc and you can use how
much arc is in it to control your miss bias.
And that applies whether you use a long putter or not.
More toe down, you'll start the ball more to the right, deliver
the face more open for right-handed golfer.
More face balance, you'll start the ball, ball more to the left
or you can kind of hold off a block.
Open face delivery. Got it.
OK, what? What's our next step on this
long, long putter here? Walk us through some of this.
The key Cordy is getting fit for the length.
I'm going to show you and I'm going to walk you through this
this this is in our pink Copilot app.
So all of our pink fitters use this app to fit everything from
perfect launch conditions, gapping, juniors, grip size,
color code. All that type of stuff, wedge
fitting. But we just launched this long
putter fitting logic and my colleague Jim Canals, PGA Tour
player, just won the Colorado Open.
He did all this research and helped build this app.
So you know, our fitter is going to go in there, they're going to
click long. And this is really good because
it kind of helps you think about, OK, if if you're going
to, if you're new to the long putter, what are some things you
want to kind of think about or maybe experiment with as you're
kind of learning the skill or the technique?
So we've seen players over the years stand way more upright,
like Bernard longer, like he stands pretty upright.
Then you have kind of other players, you know, whether it's
Adam Scott or something, bend over a little bit more, right.
So, Lucas. Lover is the is the best
example. He's just like.
Totally. Way bent over.
So again, there's if, if you're
going to kind of dabble with the long putter, these are things
you should experiment with, right?
How much am I going to bend over then?
And that kind of goes into your length fitting.
So what we're doing here is kind of fit in the length.
So let's say you're going to go Lucas Glover style, right?
You're going to Crouch over a lot, then you put in your
height. And then this measurement is
brand new for us, right? We would never use this.
A lot of times we use wrist to floor to measure your line goal
and your color code. That's kind of in our classic
approach, but what Jim came up with is for a long putter, you
want to use your elbow to floor. So you want to stand because
some people, some people have the arm their their lead arm
lower on the sternum, some have it higher.
It's kind of have their elbow. They have their elbow.
I'm going to turn sideways more out or more against their side.
And so this is going to affect your length.
So we actually use an elbow to floor measurement.
So you kind of just stand stayed straight up and we put average
for the height here is our default and then your elbow
position. So for folks maybe listen to
this is like, OK, is your lead elbow going to be more tucked?
This is like burner longer style or is it going to be more Adam
Scottie, you know, straight out or pointed aimed at the target
or kind of in between, right. So again, these are again, while
we're fitting the long putter for length, this also is really
good. Like, OK, I'm going to kind of
play around with this and see what works best for me for my
setup and how I'm going to power the stroke right.
So there you can see as you align it more at the target on
our little app here quarter, you can see where that that elbow
position kind of changes and gets kind of higher up right and
that changes the length. So somebody puts their their
their lead arm more at the target, their hand generally
goes down a little bit. And, and we use that to kind of
fine tune the length recommendation of the long
putter, right? So you put those things into our
app and you get a, we have this long putter upright aligned at
the target. 45 inches would be a good, a good spec, right?
It is a good kind of general guide.
Of course, maybe there'd be a little, a little variability in
there for everybody. But yeah, we just just launched
this fitting app. It's super cool, very accurate.
We actually train this app on all the lung putters we've fit
over the years. A little AI approach, what have
you on the data analysis side. So like anybody on the PGA Tour
that's using this app with taking these these that using a
long putter and all the folks has come through our putting
lab, their logic works within like 1/2 an inch on their their
putter spec using this method I I.
Love this because first of all, the long putter, it does take
time to figure out what technique you want to use.
So this is like what this is also done is broken down like
hey, you could try these these approaches to long putting,
which is kind of nice. And and I've found I think like
I am more crouched. I found that like Lucas Glover,
Adam Scott thing to be quite good of like a bit more bent
down elbow at Target. And then what do I do?
I think I'd like, I try to go perpendicular with the hand and
like, Yep, push the hand kind of thing.
Yep. So I found, oh, I need to, I
need a shorter one because I need to bend over more and
totally kind of do that, which I've, you know, I, it's great.
I got, I got 1 to get started with and it's help, but I do
need to now get a second one that's the right height based on
this information. So I think it's, I think what I
love about this is, yeah, you've kind of figured out all the
variables that could impact this and kind of laid it out.
So a good testing mechanism to like test all these different
ideas, see what you like. Yeah, totally, totally.
I think Cory, for folks just getting started with the with
the long putter, I'd be curious to hear your experience with it.
Most people who do it, they like death grip the, the bottom hand
and then they, they, if you watch people first do the long
putter, they got the, the bottom hand, the trail hand super tight
and then the putter's waving all over the place.
And the key. What I again, kind of similar to
what we talked about on, on, on arm lock.
You want to run somebody through a little protocol or do this
yourself, self protocol on the tension that you have in your
trail hand to grip the putter, regardless of what grip.
And I think you see all kinds of traditional style trail hand.
You see claws, you see palm towards the target.
You see pencils claw with the, with the tent.
You see the you know longer, it's got the whatever you want
to call the fork method or what have you.
I do like that one, yeah. Tons of different ways to do it.
I've done them all. I kind of like the I kind of
like the claw. And it will talk about the
biomechanical reason why is because the claw you can, you
can support the, the weight of the putter, right?
So the, the torque you apply to keep the putter from falling
down in the line goal plane. You can do that through
squeezing the grip between your thumb and, and, and index finger
here. So that's like your force you're
going to apply to support the weight of the putter.
And then whichever finger you're going to use, put it exactly in
plane down the target line. And that's where you're going to
apply the force in plane to control your speed.
So I really like that from a biomechanical standpoint with
the long putter. But what I want folks to try, if
you're first getting into the long putter, experiment with how
much tension you have in the trail hand to move the putter
right. And you're gonna you're gonna
go, OK, I'm gonna go super light.
I'm gonna go tighter and control more of the shoulders.
I'm gonna go super light and do a little bit more elbows.
John Graham, PGA Tour putting coach who's who's a PING
ambassador for us. He likes to categorize people
from in the long putter to a rocker or a pumper.
So a rocker is like shoulders mostly doing the movement or a
pumper is like trail arm flexing, elbow flexing, doing a
lot of the movement or you got a hybrid of both.
So all long putters are somewhere on that spectrum.
And so that's a really good place to explore what you like
it and how you want to power that putting stroke.
I think you nailed it when you said if you have too much
tension on your your backstroke, you're going to see that putter
just making figurates and all kinds of designs just.
Waving. I think that's the definition of
getting started with a long putter is like you're gonna have
that. I don't know if you've ever seen
anybody not do that, but when you first start.
You. Feel out of control right?
I have no idea where this putters going or where the putts
going. So like, they're the learning
curves big in my opinion. Yeah.
So one thing I really like folks to do with the long putter, if
we're fitting them or teaching them or fitting teaching
combined, because they're like, hey, fit me for this long
putter. I've never tried it.
So you're really fitting and teaching them at the same time
is to don't have the putter statically on the ground.
This is very important. The long putter is heavy, so you
want to hover it or tap it or move it.
And I like a little tiny tap, a little movement.
Because what you don't want is the golfer to lean on the putter
and then right when they take it back, that balance points gone.
It's like a three legged stool. You got your two feet.
And then if the putter is leaning on the ground and then
it you pick it up and move it, your brains like, oh, where's my
balance? And that's where you see that
putter kind of waving around. So I would highly, I really
encourage folks to kind of just lightly tap the putter or hover
it or some combination of both. Super duper important because
what you want to have happen is you want to kind of break that
inertia. You know when you take it back
and get get a little velocity on the backstroke and do it in a
very smooth way. One thing that we.
Forgot to talk about in arm lock as well as this is lie angle of
of these. We've talked about length of
both of them. We talked about loft, I guess
talk with us on the long putter here, loft and lie angle of a
long like what do you guys start at?
Yeah, loft. We still do loft at like 2° you
know? That doesn't change.
Yeah, we haven't seen that change.
Obviously we fit it. Some players do a little bit
more neutral, some not. You know, if you delivered like
at zeroed out, you know, so you're so this kind of depends
on your ball. Your ball position's the big one
that's going to drive this in the long putter, right.
And then your your your pivot point.
So again, some players are very centered on the sternum.
So it's like ball position relative to sternum, how much
side bend you have in the long putter, which side bend can be
important to get a little rise angle.
It's hard to generate rise angle in the long putter.
And why that's important is in a traditional style putter, you
mostly use your elbows and your shoulders to get a little rise
angle on the putt. Long putter, you don't have that
option really unless you stand up in flexion or lose some of
your spine angle. So that's why generally you want
to have the ball a little bit forward and a long putter to get
a little rise angle. Then where do you, where do you
center the putter on your sternum and then your ball
position? Those are kind of drive the
loft. But I would say Cordy, on
average we do long putters at three degrees.
So three degrees, 2 to 4° and then line goal, line goal.
We build our long putters very close.
There's, there's a USGA rule on this.
You can't go more upright then then 10° or 80 if you measure
from the ground plane. And so we build ours right there
like 10 1/2 or 79 1/2 just to give us a little of safe zone
for USGA conformance. And that's generally a good spec
for everybody with a long putter but it.
But maybe if you have your kind of eyes in different position or
you're, you're crouched over a little bit less with a ball kind
of outside your eye line, maybe we would go slightly flatter
than that. But that's it's, it's generally,
I think sticking to as close as you can to that 10° USGA limit
is a, is a good spec. So you can, you can kind of have
where you're applying force in the center of gravity of the
putter little closer in line and that's going to reduce your,
we'll call it your torque, your torque applying in the lie angle
direction to keep the putter upright.
If you have that the the center of gravity and where you're
applying force closer together, it will feel more like a
pendulum or more stable, so to speak.
Got it, Got it. So we talked about the downsides
of arm lock being leg putting. What downsides of of a long
putter do you see? Yeah, long putter.
I I think it has a bad rap for lag putting, but I don't know if
the stats bear that out that that might be kind of like a
false assessment, You know, might again, just be players
just you just need to practice it more and, and and learn that
skill of lag putting. You're applying all in plane
torque, which is again, the main mover that can controls the
speed or primarily in plane torque.
You're not taking that away. You're actually maximizing it or
turning the dial up on the in plane torque when you use the
long putter. So a little bit less on that.
You know, I think windy, I think it when it comes to long putter,
you know, I think breezy conditions, windy conditions can
be 1 area where using a long putter can be tough.
Like if you play most your golf in very windy, breezy
conditions, you got you got the fact that you're standing taller
is a factor blowing you the human over.
And then you have a surface area for the air to blow on a the
putter if it's a mallet style and be the shaft like the wind
blows on the shaft. So I think putting in the wind
is probably the main detriment of of the lung putter.
Got it, got it. Yeah, I personally, I like
anecdotally like leg putting, hasn't I?
It's still a skill to to work on and improve, but it seems just
as difficult with the long putter as it did.
I don't know. That's that's what I got.
OK, So we, we've covered a lot here with with long putters.
I guess what's kind of your, any specific getting started with it
that you said, obviously you said to kind of don't rest, rest
any weight on it because that could really kind of disrupt you
getting started. Any other kind of tips that
you've helped people with as they're as they're trying to
learn it or get started? Yeah, I think it's, I think it's
just explore how you want to power it.
So again, so it's so it's OK. How much once you're going to
move the lead elbow out, how much you going to bend over?
Start with maybe a traditional style grip with the trail hand.
Keep it dynamic, keep it moving and and play around with how
light you're going to. You're going to hold the putter
and go super duper. However light you think you're
going to hold it with the trail hand, go more extreme.
Go so light you're just barely supporting the putter and that
will force you to power it through the kind of ABS, side
bending ABS and side bending or shoulder movement or rocking
movement. And that's where I would start.
I would I would start with those factors super light trail hand
grip and that will force you to move the putter through the
rocking motion, side bending and and and abdominals.
Yep. I think one of the things that I
found is for me personally, I've got that Lucas Glover, Adam
Scott approach to it that if I forget to like engage my
shoulders or like like if I don't do a practice stroke and
like intentionally think like, OK, use, use your body, use your
body that like typically don't have as good of a stroke.
If I just get up there and just kind of use my use my arms and
just kind of hit it. So I think there you still have
to constantly think about it and like practice this this stuff as
you as you're working on it. Courtney, I agree, man.
I think if you're if you're, if you're, if you're going to the
long putter for in most of your golf curve, you've been
traditional. It's a totally different
powering mechanism which can be super beneficial.
It could be, it could be the benefit of going to the long
putter. But yeah, you kind of got to,
you got to think about it. And when you keep practicing
your putting, always play around with that like, OK, how am I
powering this? I think a big thing is get the
tension out, get the tension out of your neck and your shoulders
right. So get your setup dialed in and
try to get as much tension out of there so you can have that
rhythm and that flow. Super duper light trail hand
grip. Play around with it.
Play around with that. If you go to claw style, you
again, can, can, can play. Maybe you can have a lot of
squeeze to support the the weight of the putter and then be
a little lighter pressure with your elbows and your shoulders.
I just think in both arm lock and long, you really want to
explore how you're powering the putter and tension levels and
different, different joints. That's what kind of when I look
at Bryson, he's obviously got maximum tension level lockout of
of end range motion and his in certain joints.
I don't think that's for everybody because he has, he
spent so much time practicing his, you know, his putter length
and his tempo. He does all that stuff to kind
of control the pace of the putt where other golfers.
I think it would, would, might be better off having high
tension in some areas, but super low tension to others.
And that's where I would start with the with the long putter
for a lot of folks. The one thing I think that
people should realize about this is that if you expect to buy one
and then use it this weekend and putt better, it's probably like
it's not going to happen. So don't, don't, don't expect
that. Like for me personally, I, I
made the transition in during the offseason, so I just like
putting inside on a mat and wasn't really playing golf
anyways, So it was, it was fine. So I, I gave myself like, I
think 6 or 8 weeks where I was just kind of inside, just
dinking around a little bit every every week.
What kind of expectations would you set for people if they're
going to like buy one and they want to start using it in like,
how long should that be? The the long putter is very fun
to practice. I think it's one of the funnest
butters to go out there in the putting green if you've never
done it and practice because you can put for hours and not be not
you can, you can do a little, you know, block practice on a
chalk line or or whatever and not get tired, but your back is
not going to start hurting. So that's super fun.
But yeah, no, I think to kind of get the speed down, like how
you're powering it and get the pace.
I think a golfer Cordy could go out and do really good inside 10
feet with the long putter on the first couple rounds.
But it's probably going to be that skill of powering the putt,
solving for your for your putter head velocity that's going to
control your pace. Give yourself a little bit of
patience with that. But I think you're learning
curve. Like if you, if you bow and
you're like, dude, I'm going to, I'm going to go do it.
And you go to the putting green for 20 minutes every day on the
every day on your way home from work and do some nice lag
putting along with some short putting.
I think you could get good and two to four weeks I think you
know, if you kind of already have green reading and that's
skilled down. Yeah, I, I do say it's, it's
super fun to learn a new skill if, if you enjoy that kind of
thing. So like, it is a pretty
enjoyable new skill to learn, especially one where there's so
many options of like how you can do it.
So if you don't like that kind of stuff, maybe don't dive into
it. If you love like just like
experimenting and trying stuff. And I, I, it's, it's a blast.
It is not easy though, like the long putter is not an easy
skill. It's a, it's a different
instrument and it's so foreign compared to like all the other
clubs in your bag. You know what I mean?
Like like your putters, your putters on a transition from
your, from your irons and wedges, from a weight and
inertia standpoint, all that. And a long putter is like a
totally different animal. It's like a different sport and
most you know what I mean? But but that can also be a
benefit, right? You, you can have a totally
different technique and if you're already good at green
reading, so you've got the components of good putting or
green reading slash targeting strategy, then you have can you
control your start line? Then you have, can you control
your pace if you're already really good at green reading and
maybe the long putter or a different putter technique can
help you with these other two ingredients, which are the other
2/3 of putting that could, you know, that could unlock a, a
nice improvement in someone's golf game.
Yeah. And and I think that's part of
the fun of it is it's a new, it's totally different.
Maybe if putting has pissed you off over the years and you're
tired and you don't want to practice and you're just done,
do this. I agree, I agree it's.
Fine, All right, Marty, I want to end.
I want to go. I want to put myself through
this app. We we got let's all right, man.
I want to know my my length. The long putter.
Long putter. Yeah, let's do that.
I'm in the crouched camp at this point.
I do that totally bent over. I'm 6 feet tall.
Let's see here. OK, look at.
This Yeah, we got to get your elbow to floor if you can
measure it. If you got a driver.
Oh, look at this Cordy's come with a tape measure.
Yeah, OK. So standing up like this.
Yep, Yep. 51. Sound right, 51 Yeah, yeah,
let's do it. And that's a lot.
All right, 51 And how do you like you, you're saying you line
it more at the target? Yeah, because I'm going like.
Lucas Glover style. Yeah, I'm going like this.
Okay, totally. Let's see dude, 48 and 1/4.
Very specific. I like it.
Yeah, 48 and a quarter, so a little bit longer.
So I think that's cuz, yeah, maybe we'll double check that
elbow measurement, but not elbow, not elbow to floor.
Okay, I'm standing here. You might have really short
humorous bone. Wait, do I OK?
How? I would say maybe, yeah, go up
against you could do it against the wall and mark it against
your banner and then measure, measure the banner.
You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK. Yeah.
Like that just. Want to stand here comfortably?
Yeah, stand right there. OK.
And then see it's right about the L in Philly.
Yeah. Yep.
All right, then let's measure that.
We're doing all kinds of stuff. Here it's got it's about even
with the L if I see that right. OK.
So that's about 48. So that's OK, 48.
All right, let's go back. Let's go back.
Well, here we're doing some testing.
How important is this? Measurement, let's go back to
48. So this will be, this should get
us maybe closer to 46. Yeah, 46 3/4.
That seems perfect, man. Like our long putter at retail
is going to be 47 by default. Got it.
Yeah. So that elbow measurement is is
huge. Yeah, that's big.
That's like controlling your lie angle with the wrist of floor it
from a color code standpoint. OK, yeah, that's good right
there. 46. So make sure the measurement is
correct on the elbow. Yeah, that's what we learned
today. Yeah, cool, Marty, we covered a
lot of ground. Let's anything else on before we
wrap on Long. Any other parting?
No, man, I think long, yeah, no long.
Long's fun to try. I think you're going to see more
and more of the younger generation, younger generation
kind of do it. Yeah, what?
Listen five year prediction more same long of same on along
putters more or less than of right now.
I'm going more, I'm going more again.
I would I would say probably not a doubling, but wouldn't be
surprised if maybe 50% more in the reason why I say that Cordy
is, you know, younger generation doing it.
You know, the auction is the world and the the sea woos of
the world doing really good with the long younger generation
doing it, less stigma and it's just another tool in the
toolbox. I think young kids might play
around, play around with and try it perfect.
All right. Thanks, man.
We can wrap there on our fun chat.