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Hi, this is Tony Ruggiero here 
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Joy to be here. 
I've all my travels back to the 

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Keys, able to pick the brain of 
this next guest. 

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Tell you all the time on this 
podcast by I love to bring on 

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people who I've met through my 
coaching and teaching and 

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traveled around on tour and 
different stuff like that. 

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And what this is one of the best
guys I've ever had the 

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opportunity to work with his 
punting stuff. 

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I've never seen anybody get on 
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and this is what made me think 
about him when he posted 

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something about this gift day, 
but one of the great teachers 

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out there, he's got Talk some 
stuff about reading dreams and 

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reading us. 
It's got a fantastic tap out 

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there but Ralph Bauer Ralph, how
the heck are you? 

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And you have laid on the ground 
and watch more but it hit that 

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any human being I've ever seen 
Tony. 

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I appreciate that. 
You know like I said I've been 

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laid down and putting your hands
on the PGA tour for last 15 

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years that you know anywhere 
else I can and kind of getting a

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bird's eye view. 
Sounds crazy but I feel like 

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I've dedicated my entire adult 
life to helping people make more

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punch and And you know, I say we
want to go to that nice drive 

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but you'll feel great, making a 
porter walk, the next teeth, 

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100%, how did you get to be in? 
So, involved in putty, okay. 

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Like over time I've kind of 
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but I mean, I kind of became 
more. 

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I became more of a full swing 
guy, and a coach. 

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How did you get have all this 
happen? 

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So, you know, if your self, but 
I voted to her for a long time 

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and, you know, just trying to 
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Right. 
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about a sports psych, no reason 
to call this for psych because 

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they're not in their 5-iron. 
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But they are going to call this 
board, say, you know, if they're

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not fighting while, right? 
So I've always just try to do 

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the most the best I could to 
help people you know scores well

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as possible and for me you know 
that's basically just helping 

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with your fighting interesting. 
If she now let's talk about I'd 

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like to pick your brain on this.
So when you go to work with a 

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good player to require and their
your want to help them putt 

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better. 
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that you look for and like where
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somebody as a putter? 
Get approved there. 

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But if I got one kind of main 
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you genuinely interested in 
making more pots, which, you 

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know, most people are. 
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them would be if they miss a pot
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fact they think they pushed or 
pulled it if they could default 

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to the fact that they misread 
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So let's say you've got You 
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you missed it on the low side, 
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speed, but a misses on the low 
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going to think they pulled it. 
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part, what happened is they 
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Now, they think they pulled this
pot now, they gotta, you know, a

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roach laughter on the next hole 
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think about, you know, their 
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mechanics. 
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more. 
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Then they're a mess on the other
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So, They're just in there in 
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know, thinking they pushed or 
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there to go around the entire 
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pushed this. 
Why I pulled down when I push 

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this right? 
Push that one when the reality 

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is, you know, most if pots with 
proper speed are from Miss 

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Reed's, really? 
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Like, it's now is that across 
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Is that even recreational 
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Like, you know, somebody that, 
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So I think he's handicapped 
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players, the overwhelming 
majority of their pot was in one

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degree like over 90% of their 
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within one degree of their start
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That means your 10-footer should
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But the 10-foot May profess on 
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So the difference there really 
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Now, if you take a 50 handicap 
Orthodox to be able to start 90%

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of their butts, you know, within
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50%. 
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sucking a paradigm where the 
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it a read. 
All their can be correct. 

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They miss it low or high. 
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it they go to the next hole you 
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don't get better at finding what
made me think of do in this with

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you. 
Amongst other that I've been 

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weak talk to items or a couple 
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there's an old great old teacher
in Atlanta, who was a big 

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influence on me calmness. 
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I asked if something about 
getting, you know, putty teacher

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and he said, he said, it goes 
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far, how hard could it be right?
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And to me how that kind of goes 
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I think that and I've always 
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other aspects of the game. 
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like a 15 handicapper. 
Could be the closest to of one 

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of your tour players because it 
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strength or speed to be able to 
do it right. 

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Like you've only got to take it 
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Like so to me that goes kind of 
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And if they can learn to read 
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us started on their intended 
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They got to be able to make more
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So you know, he's right. 
The paint. 

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Strokes pretty is pretty simple 
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complicated, it's not that hard.
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know, less than a foot for the 
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but right, and you Mechanics in 
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I mean, they're all over the 
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You know, Klaus you got 
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all kinds of different Cutters, 
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And I feel like the part that's 
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better, right? 
Let's talk about those grits. 

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Do you have a preference in 
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I mean in this, you know 
especially with all the good 

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players in the great players you
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you working with one and like do
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If a person came to you like an 
idiot, you know? 

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They're like, wow. 
Have. 

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I don't even know how the hell. 
I would rip it anymore. 

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Is there one? 
You go to more than others or 

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does it totally not matter to 
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I think it's important to keep 
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So whatever whatever grip is 
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during comfortable for you that 
that's a good grip for you. 

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I feel like I call it the engine
of our stroke website. 

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Engine of our stroke is going to
be getting your shoulders square

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and then having a your shoulders
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mirror image of each other. 
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Grips. 
You have that's going to 

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accommodate data or allow for 
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Square shoulders at address, 
right? 

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That's going to be the group 
that job that's going to be for 

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you. 
Okay, I love that. 

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All right, so now let's go into 
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So I and you know Ralph you 
we've known each other a while. 

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One of the reasons I love doing 
these things just like I did. 

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The radio is I will get the 
opportunity to pick the brains 

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of people that are way smarter 
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Right? 
And you know. 

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So some of this is for me the 
like, but we I felt like with, 

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you know, golfers like you 
Chuck, it helped them, their 

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speed better, they would read 
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Like to me Debbie, is that 
accurate like to me, these folks

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that don't, you know, they don't
know how to read them and they 

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don't, they don't read them very
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the same speeds, all they don't 
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they're trying to get it to 
make, but is that pretty 

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accurate? 
Yeah, that's that's pretty 

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accurate like, it's amazing. 
You know, you'll take somebody 

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who Steve's off and you'll say, 
well, let's take it. 

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And roll the ball, just with 
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bowling. 
Let's roll it. 

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And they'll roll a 15-footer 15 
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maybe they would need to work on
that a little bit to get your 

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golf ball, right? 
But I will say that a lot of 

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times. 
Let's go back this scenario 

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where you got this right to left
hand flutter, the earlier, 

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Lieutenant footer you under read
it which you know, is the 

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average tour players going to 
under read a right to left about

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15 percent. 
Like if it's 10 inch break, 

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they'll see about a half inches,
but so they've got this pot, the

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under read it. 
We kind of know we've under read

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it and those are the ones we 
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So those that we Hammer past, 
the whole are also ones that we 

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tend to under read, we kind of 
instinctively know it and we hit

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it hard trying to make up. 
Up for that, you know. 

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So I feel like if we read it 
properly, you know, our app and 

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our system is designed for 
basically 12 inches past the 

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hole on a, you know, in every 
pot. 

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And I think that kind of cool 
to, to, to quantify that. 

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Hey, like that's where it should
be. 

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It should be 12 inches past, 
right? 

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You know, that they had a chance
to keep a so it's okay, that is 

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large, you know? 
If they barely gets the whole 

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that it's okay, they want her. 
No. 

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Right, so I feel like if we read
it properly, we get so many good

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targets. 
Hey, If we have default message 

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that you're going to Al's and 
his past right there, they'll 

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they'll get that much better at 
their speed control very 

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quickly. 
I'm going to go back to some 

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other stuff later but I like it.
So I so much you think that or 

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you know or our we want to say 
that but like the majority of 

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tour players under read putts is
what you found. 

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Yeah. 
So I tested now that we've got 

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actual data on how much upon 
actually breaks right with with 

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her app, I tested 12 tour 
players which is a decent sample

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size, you know, 12 pieces, who 
are players be decent sample 

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size on left to writers and then
right to laughter's right on 

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left to writers. 
They were seeing about 70% of 

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the break, right? 
So if you know, if it's a two 

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foot brake, you know, there are 
seeing you know, 18 19 inches of

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it so they're going to be 
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6 inches on the right laughter. 
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those All 12, those people were 
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So why is it that? 
Why do putter, why? 

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And I agree with you, because 
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I give, I stood out there and 
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about my, to our players, guys, 
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1000% with the specially under 
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player left to right. 
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what you talked about a minute 
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they know that plain enough 
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in and make it in three feet by 
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Ralph is a 12 inch by 12 inch 
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I know it's 18 they pull it and 
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I see I told you I'm like yeah 
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you're hope you you go on the 
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them enough with a terrible 
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I'd rather have guys, you know, 
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a good stroke and have going 
that way. 

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I feel like that'd be easier way
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I mean that clay and to make a 
bad stroke. 

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You get lucky Make, it's 
probably not good plan, right? 

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I can't tell. 
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couple times and hope to worked 
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But why do why do you think 
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read? 
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player, the left to right? 
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that or is that just the way it 
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I think most right-handed 
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putts, right? 
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most people practice. 
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the only growing up, you know, 
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right-to-left putts and they're 
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Keep the, I said, they just 
study. 

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And if they said take 48 years 
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reader, we've got a system now 
Tony. 

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Yeah, which I bleed trial and 
error takes a long time, you 

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know, like, oh, yeah, for sure. 
You know, imagine if magic me 

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and you're trying to build a 
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them one up and blows up. 
We'd start all over again and be

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it take a while, right? 
But So now we've got a system 

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where people can learn to read 
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player level in a couple weeks, 
right? 

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So, I mean, you know, we live in
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like if I said summer, hey, John
spend eight years, doing 

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something, or doing spend two 
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the most part, we get the answer
with the, you know, with the two

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weeks leave of people play for a
living. 

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If you said, hey, I got the 
single make you great reader, 

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but it's go take a leak supposed
to be like, I'll just Match 

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against its of the hell. 
Yeah, let's go take eight years,

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right? 
Not a week. 

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Yeah. 
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and, you know, ladies and hi, 
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most of those eight years in, 
but that being said, when we put

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our app down on a putting green 
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app is undefeated, right? 
So, you know, we'll, we'll have 

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them read it already with the 
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know, the Perfect putter out and
roll some balls down the trough.

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And, you know, we're undefeated 
make sense. 

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I mean, how can human I compete 
with, you know, technology? 

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Yeah. 
So how did you let us start with

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that? 
So I've seen you users, I read 

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all of your stuff that comes out
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What led you to create this app,
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having a mean it Ralph, I know 
you're smart. 

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But how the hell do you figure 
this out? 

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So, you know, I guess, you know,
not Not to get too political 

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here on you but you know, I'm 
Canadian and we had all these 

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logs that, you know? 
I mean so we had all these 

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lockdowns up here and you know I
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green reading with charts and 
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theories on. 
I feel like nobody was a 

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dressing up and downhill 
component like people were 

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trying to address, you know, 
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Anyways, so then I was giving a 
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that, you know, an engineer and 
He's like, Ralph green reading 

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Camp is as simple as like. 
Yeah. 

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That's it's not that hard, and 
he's like, hey, we should turn 

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this into an app, you know, we 
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you know, so basically what 
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you know the internal 
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in the phone, you know, to 
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We have all the physics dialed 
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it's going to break and then 
Tony. 

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I'm not sure how much you spent 
with this. 

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So it tells us where it's going 
to break and then we've got ways

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to win. 
You off the app so that your, 

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you know, having to guess 
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guess and then go ahead and do 
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had, you know, I've I had a 
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30 handicap lady, nice lady, you
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whole thing and she came up with
this pot and she said, Ralph is 

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5 inches. 
I knew it was too. 

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And I think I've, it was two and
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getting it, but we had to test 
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So we rolled it and she was 
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You don't? 
She'd spent an hour with it and 

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hate to admit it, but she know 
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did after an hour of working 
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So, you know, it's it's pretty 
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I always felt bad when I had a 
student who, you know, want just

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wanted to play better on the 
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some chance of reading the 
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no way of of helping them do 
that. 

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I had a few things I tried, but 
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guessing. 
So now it's kind of cool to me. 

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God for me, we can give to 
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tremendous, like, I started 
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our players first, right? 
Like, you know, vendors coach 

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told me, he used it for hours 
first, they got it and, you 

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know, I've got a bunch of tour 
players using it as at the 

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Masters this year, I have player
hug me, said Ralph wouldn't be 

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here if it wasn't for your app, 
right? 

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But then it's a lot funner or 
work just as fun, you know, 

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having people say around like, 
you know, putting fun for me 

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now. 
Right. 

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And again if I could see one 
like and what kind of my main 

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point and kind of I'm a point is
if we could hit a putt like we 

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were playing the 3rd hole at are
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We get a part of the third hole 
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side. 
We she's assumed we misread that

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and then we'll get better for 
the next hole if we assume we 

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pushed or pulled it. 
Now, we're in a downward spiral 

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of thinking, our mechanics are 
no good, right? 

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No. 
I like so explain how the Yo, 

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that given away all your secret 
to everything. 

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This is great for and here's why
I thought you would be a great. 

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Yes, one I think the information
is fantastic and it can help any

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golfer, but for whatever reason 
we have lots of teachers golf 

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instructors and listen to this 
podcast. 

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And I think that for both groups
of people, this is fantastic 

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information because you talked 
about there's a lot of people 

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out there trying to help folks 
make more pus at the club level 

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or they're developing teachers 
or whatever and this app can 

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help them. 
So Take us through kind of how 

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you can use it and also how 
about Rambo sometimes like I 

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mean if you have like any people
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great hunters, use it and where 
they reading them the same every

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time as the app. 
I mean if you have people where 

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they were just great Putters and
you put them on in like they did

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basically exactly what the app 
said. 

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I've had more of the opposite 
were okay, like I go to a Tour 

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event and a player with the hell
I want to. 

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I want to test myself. 
Can see have be like? 

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No, it's Wednesday. 
Like I don't want you to, you 

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know, think you're a bad putter.
Lets you know, let's wait till 

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next week and do it on a Monday,
right? 

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But if you insist you know I had
a player you know he read a pot 

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12 inches outside, right? 
Edge of a cash reward. 

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A look at that again like they 
know that if I think it is like 

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I did my whole routine and it 
was you know, it was I think it 

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was 32 inches, right? 
And I was like wow, like that's 

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just the way I do it. 
I'm not good at reading greens. 

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Like like I had a, how do young 
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Junior, golfer, you know, good, 
good player right? 

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With a lesser writer, she had a 
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inch outside left Edge, it was 
20 inches outside the left Edge,

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right? 
And then you know, got her the 

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app got her practice screen 
reading. 

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I worked on now summer. 
No. 

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Since then she's she's one akane
amateur. 

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She made the You have two new 
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Amateur, and made the cut it if 
PJ or LPGA Tour of it, right? 

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And and then I went to tester, 
you know, a year later on a very

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similar pot, you know, it was 
actually 18 inches and she gets 

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in 17 inches. 
So it's a graph, you know, golf 

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lot easier when, you know, you 
know where to aim your putter, 

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right? 
So, you know, and if we can, at 

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least have a system now to work 
on that and to, you know, 

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continue to get better. 
Sure, at that. 

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Like, if you think about green, 
I've always liked Greenery, is 

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very important. 
And I've worked with some guys 

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like Matt Hughes and his kind of
Peace. 

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Walker are very, very, very good
readers, right? 

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Like, you know, and I think he 
was maybe 10th or 11th this year

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in Strokes gained on tour and, 
you know, very good Greenery 

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directors had 14 years and he 
was a great green reader, you 

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know? 
But it'd be like semi staying 

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behind us, you know, beside a 
quad guessing the spin rate with

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your eyes, as opposed to seeing 
the numbers. 

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Like, you just not to give 
accurate All right. 

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Yeah it's been fun you know and 
and what I think about people 

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enjoying their round of golf. 
If you're playing 18, holes and 

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continue to think you pushed or 
pulled all your pots, it's not 

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doing any free confidence, 
right? 

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Yeah, you know, whereas if you 
think hey I under read that you 

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know that must have been a two 
percent slope and I thought it 

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was a one point five. 
Then that's not going to hurt 

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your confidence. 
At least your you got something 

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in your memory bank to help you 
for the next time out. 

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Yeah, now I love it. 
And I like to me the ways that 

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it can be integrated into 
practice where you know, I like 

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you did with that girl, you 
talked about we're like you 

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could measure them and make it 
use it and then you can show 

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them that over time. 
I think any time you could show 

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somebody over time that they're 
getting better. 

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That the work is validated is 
like it's a great tool for you, 

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you know? 
Yeah. 

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But Tony, you've done a good 
job, you know of you and your 

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coaching of using technology to 
prove to a player that they're 

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good, right? 
Like that's one of the great 

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things about technology is like,
I don't know if I'm doing this 

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right here. 
Like well, I mean here's a 

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number they don't lie and you're
very doing this. 

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Well, you know, it's hard for 
the person not to feel energized

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and confident with, with their 
game. 

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If you can prove to them that 
it's rather than, you know, Tony

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ralphing hey, where you don't 
worry you, don't you them 

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better, you know, which is part 
of it. 

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But boy, it's it's nice to be 
able to show them the number to 

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look at is clearly better. 
I agree. 

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I think one of the best. 
I think one of the main ways I 

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use technology isn't as much for
diagnosis but to like prove one 

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that they're better than that 
anger and to prove that what 

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they're working on is the right 
thing and that is the balls 

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getting better. 
They're doing more of or less, 

441
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or whatever it is that you're 
asking to do and being able to 

442
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validate the plan that you put 
in front of them as they go 

443
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along. 
I think that's a, I think that 

444
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having that I don't know that 
everybody thinks of technology 

445
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in that former fashion but like 
to me that's one of the best 

446
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ways you could use it is to help
people. 

447
00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:08,900
People see that they're getting 
better, because one of the real 

448
00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:11,600
frustrating things is people put
a bunch of work in and they're 

449
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like, so am I getting any better
and, you know, you got to be 

450
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able to show. 
Yeah, for sure. 

451
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,800
And, you know, it's funny. 
So, you know, we have the tool, 

452
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you know, I've had it in my 
pocket option for longer than 

453
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anybody else. 
Because, you know, we had a in, 

454
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you know, it with a prototype 
and all that kind of stuff, you 

455
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know. 
But it's fun to see how the 

456
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other coaches say, hey, like, 
texting me and saying, hey 

457
00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:34,200
Ralph, here's what I'm using it 
for McCluskey. 

458
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,600
Good idea, right? 
Like just like, Some people use 

459
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that for site for different 
reasons, you know, every coach 

460
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can use a little different, you 
know, some people like to use 

461
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this little bit different. 
But, you know, it's a great way 

462
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to, you know, if green readings 
important. 

463
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,600
You know, we weren't doing a 
very good job of having people 

464
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practice that, you know, or so, 
this has been a lot of fun. 

465
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So, to me, I've always thinking 
about, you know, how can I use 

466
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this with my students? 
I'm big on putting practice 

467
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,700
plans together for a specially 
like, you know, Ralph, I've got 

468
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some nice college players. 
Up and come and juniors that are

469
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really talented and I feel like 
sometimes they go think they're 

470
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working on their game but like 
there's just not a lot of 

471
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direction, right? 
And they think that hitting 

472
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balls all day and then just 
going to hit the bunch of pots. 

473
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,200
Chips has his real practice and 
I try to structure it for him. 

474
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So my initial thoughts as we're 
talking is like we you can put 

475
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in a practice plan, I dropped 
practice plans with ball counts 

476
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for players and that you could 
you could put in there where 

477
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they hit X number of putts each 
day. 

478
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Using the app where they read it
and they go through and then you

479
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can then you could have them go 
through and do X number of putts

480
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without it and see if they get 
better. 

481
00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:48,200
You know, like yeah you could 
be, this could be a useful part 

482
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of a person's practice plan and 
they're structured practice. 

483
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,500
Yeah, absolutely. 
And I kind of have some bread 

484
00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:57,500
and butter drills that are in 
the app that that I like that 

485
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one is basically just a circle 
drill, right? 

486
00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:04,000
So I'll give them to a circle 
drill, put the ax down. 

487
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It'll give me information and 
then Then they do another Circle

488
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,200
drill. 
And there's this, there's a 

489
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feature called height or read 
that will still give you the 

490
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slope of the ground, but it 
won't give you the answer. 

491
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So you have to guess and then 
it'll give you the answer. 

492
00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:22,000
So the first trip around the 
loop, I like to give them the 

493
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answer. 
The second trip around the loop,

494
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you know, go to a slightly 
different position to like 

495
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basically the other side of the 
T if you know what I mean. 

496
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So like about a foot away and 
then, you know, have it'll 

497
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basically wean you off the 
Right. 

498
00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:42,900
And then you know, then had some
random punch and you know, do 

499
00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:45,000
the same thing. 
I hit some random spots where 

500
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you're giving you information. 
I always want to give people 

501
00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:49,700
information first because I 
don't want them to feel bad 

502
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:51,900
about their party or their green
rating, right? 

503
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:54,700
So if we give the information 
first, then they can think in 

504
00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:55,200
their head. 
Yeah. 

505
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,600
I would have had that or they 
would have or not is another 

506
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story and then we start taking 
away from them once they become 

507
00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:03,400
a little bit more proficient. 
I also find two or three in 

508
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,100
Reading you know it comes and 
goes like We could have our 

509
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:08,700
green reading completely dialed 
in. 

510
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,400
You know, we take a few days 
off, right? 

511
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,100
Where are used to seeing the 
ball roll again? 

512
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:16,300
You know, we have to have a 
little refresher course every 

513
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:19,600
now and again on how much balls 
actually break on the greens. 

514
00:26:19,900 --> 00:26:22,700
It's kind of like you have to 
calibrate it each time after you

515
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:25,100
taking a break. 
Do you think like I calibrate 

516
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:28,000
your eyes and your brain wants 
to let you take its time off? 

517
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:29,700
Yeah, calibrates. 
Perfect word. 

518
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:34,000
Yeah, like you know you take 
some time off or I've had let's 

519
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,400
say arrange. 
The greens are a lot slower. 

520
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,100
Like wow, look how much these 
actually breaking right and 

521
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:42,400
then, you know, we can you 
complete, you can tell exactly 

522
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,000
how much you're breaking on or 
you go to places, you know, 

523
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,400
we've all gone to a place, you 
know, that our greens are super 

524
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,600
fast. 
Processor were used to and you 

525
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,800
know, it's nice to be able to 
calibrate real quickly on the 

526
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,400
putting green, you know, in 5-10
minutes how much those pots were

527
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,000
going to be breaking on that new
green speed. 

528
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,500
Last question. 
Okay, this is good. 

529
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,400
What the heck? 
How did you get started? 

530
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,300
Getting down on the ground to 
watch buds. 

531
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,500
And laying behind the putter. 
I remember, that's the first 

532
00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:11,200
time I ever saw, you never walk 
it up with you working with 

533
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,700
Lucas. 
And I was like, what the hell is

534
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:17,100
this guy doing on the ground 
and, and what from all of those 

535
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:18,700
times laying on the ground 
watching? 

536
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:20,200
Plus, what's the biggest thing 
you've learned? 

537
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:24,000
So I started I play myself, 
McCain amateur and I was 

538
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,300
struggling with my alignment and
I had my caddy lay behind me and

539
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:31,900
was telling me, you know, where 
I've lined up and we did that 

540
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:35,300
for we did that and I start a 
course record next day, so it 

541
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:37,300
kind of, you know, stuck with 
That, hey, you know what? 

542
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:39,900
Let's maybe there's something to
this alignment. 

543
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:42,800
So, you know, and then when I 
got into teaching, I was like, 

544
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,500
well, I'm you worked worked for 
me. 

545
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:47,000
I might as well help, you know, 
my students with that. 

546
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,200
And the biggest thing I noticed 
the biggest thing I learned from

547
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,600
watching. 
Yes, so many pots with with from

548
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,000
tour players is kind of what I 
said they typically start the 

549
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,000
ball where they think like what 
where they're where they're 

550
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,400
lined up. 
They're very, very good at 

551
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,600
starting is there and most Miss 
Potts are Reached, right? 

552
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,800
So I before we had the app in 
the proof to show players, I've 

553
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,800
laid behind them, and then it's 
I've pulled them. 

554
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,300
Like know, you didn't pull that 
that that broke more than we 

555
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:18,400
thought. 
Let's aim another 2 inches. 

556
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,400
Don't the right and they would 
even know that you would use to 

557
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,900
the right and go in, right? 
So and if they'd argue with me I

558
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:29,500
said okay I got a pretty good 
view down here and you know you 

559
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:32,800
know and I that did that again 
you know always ended the 

560
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,900
argument pretty quick but you 
know I think I'll feel a lot 

561
00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:38,600
more fun. 
And people make a lot more punch

562
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:42,500
if they practice their green 
reading and you know, I'm really

563
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:46,000
quick, a quick sales pitch here.
You know, we have a two week 

564
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000
free trial in the app. 
It's in the App Store. 

565
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,300
It's called to read things money
and it literally is helping 

566
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:56,000
people all over the world, you 
know, I the feedback I get some 

567
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,800
believable so to or read is how 
you get the app to be that. 

568
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,100
I think it's great and I'm going
to pick your brain off the air 

569
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:06,400
on some ways to use it more with
my players in my Elite. 

570
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,700
Lead students stuff like that, 
but I think it's awesome. 

571
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:11,900
And I just wanted to pick your 
brain on that. 

572
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,100
I always enjoy the opportunity 
to hang out with you and when I 

573
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:17,800
run into you and I mean, over 
the years, I've learned a lot 

574
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,900
from being around you on the 
same team, and you always got 

575
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:22,900
great Insight. 
So thanks for taking time and 

576
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:25,600
this is awesome stuff. 
And the cool thing I think is 

577
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,000
sometimes stuff comes out, 
you're like, well, this be 

578
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,100
really good for a good player, 
but maybe not for, you know, 

579
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:34,000
1580 ever. 
But this is good for anybody to 

580
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,900
be at mean, this can benefit. 
Anybody is Doesn't take straight

581
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:39,200
speed. 
So forth. 

582
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,000
This could help anybody's game. 
Tony, thank you very much and I 

583
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,800
will jealousy and coming back 
from the keys. 

584
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,900
So travel safe and we'll talk 
soon, buddy. 

585
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,400
Thanks for listening to this 
edition of the tour coach. 

586
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:55,200
I want to take a minute and 
thank Courtney Walker and golf 

587
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,300
science lab, as well as my 
sponsors trickshot Buick 

588
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,400
Bushnell and Vineyard Vines for 
helping make all of this 

589
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,000
possible and helping me share my
insights with you. 

590
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,100
If you like what you heard, why 
don't you check out more on the 

591
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:10,300
do sweepers Channel on YouTube? 
As well as the do sweeper on 

592
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:13,500
Instagram, we're going to do 
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593
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:16,800
more about my teaching my 
travels and where you can find 

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00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:17,800
out more about