1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,200 Hey, golf science lab Community. It's Cordy here. 2 00:00:02,700 --> 00:00:04,700 No, we're not launching our next season yet. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,300 Don't worry. It's just around the corner, but 4 00:00:06,300 --> 00:00:09,300 we're back with a very, very exciting announcement. 5 00:00:09,500 --> 00:00:11,400 We've just launched our first podcast. 6 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,000 Powered by the golf science lab, it's called game like training 7 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,300 radio and it's hosted by coach Matthew Cooke and myself. 8 00:00:17,300 --> 00:00:19,700 We're having conversations focused on practice and learning 9 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:22,600 with some incredible guests. Like this show with Trevor 10 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,600 Reagan of train ugly, make sure subscribe in iTunes, game like 11 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,800 training radio and check back on a weekly basis as will have new 12 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,400 episodes. Episodes from this first season. 13 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:36,500 All right, let's get into it. Hello. 14 00:00:36,500 --> 00:00:39,200 And welcome to game like training radio powered by the 15 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,200 golf science lab where we'll help you set up practice and 16 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,200 learning environments. Actually help you play your best 17 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,800 game on the course and not on the Range. 18 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,100 Hey, I'm one of your host Corey Walker. 19 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:51,300 And I'm your co-host, Matthew Coke. 20 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,000 And we're here today with Trevor Reagan from train ugly.com, 21 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,100 super excited to share this interview with you. 22 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:01,900 All we talked with Trevor about His experiences with other 23 00:01:01,900 --> 00:01:06,500 cultures and other sports and his work with Carol dweck on the 24 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:10,400 growth mindset. And we also discuss some motor 25 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,400 learning principles and Trevor does an incredible job of 26 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:18,200 explaining all of this, through his analogy of the Jungle tiger 27 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,200 yet. Know, I really like his 28 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,800 perspective, Matt, because he brings this setting of other 29 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,300 sports other coaches and academics in. 30 00:01:26,500 --> 00:01:29,000 And sets up a framework that we can understand toward the end of 31 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,400 this conversation Utah. It's about really these four 32 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,100 steps to teach new skills and applying this to golf during 33 00:01:35,100 --> 00:01:40,300 training is really going to set up some amazing amazing results 34 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:43,000 before we get into it. We put together for videos to 35 00:01:43,008 --> 00:01:45,100 help you create better game, like training practice 36 00:01:45,100 --> 00:01:48,400 environments in your practice from full swing short game to 37 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,300 putting. You have to make sure that 38 00:01:50,300 --> 00:01:53,600 you're spending your time wisely and making practice effective 39 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,800 head over to golf science, lab.com / better training and 40 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,500 check it out. So let's get into it with 41 00:02:00,500 --> 00:02:05,300 Trevor. All right, so we are super 42 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:09,300 excited to be here with mr. Trevor, Reagan of train ugly, 43 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,800 and we're just going to dive into this learning conversation, 44 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,200 and maybe a good place to start. Trevor is with the foundational 45 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,900 element, which is like this growth mindset, right? 46 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:21,000 Like, if you want to learn, if you want to train ugly, you have 47 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,700 to have the right mindset going into a. 48 00:02:23,700 --> 00:02:26,300 So, like, where do you start with that conversation? 49 00:02:26,300 --> 00:02:27,800 Or where does that topic start for you? 50 00:02:27,900 --> 00:02:31,000 Well, first of all what you said is like, right on the money, 51 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:36,400 When I got into this, it started with like, very like motor 52 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,700 learning focused and I think the motor learning science is 53 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:42,000 fascinating. I think there are a ton of 54 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,200 applications than a ton of ways to use it to improve practice, 55 00:02:46,300 --> 00:02:50,100 what I found, especially when we're working with athletes and 56 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:54,800 volleyball and basketball, is that to really get the most out 57 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,600 of a science based practice. And so if we base the practice, 58 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,800 According to the motor learning science, it does get ugly is 59 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,700 harder. There's like, more contextual 60 00:03:06,700 --> 00:03:08,400 interference. There was a little more 61 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,100 Randomness, there's a little more chaos and what happens when 62 00:03:12,100 --> 00:03:14,300 you're in that zone? Is you make more mistakes? 63 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:19,900 And so it does get uglier. And from what I found, coupling 64 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:24,600 that science with the growth mindset research, that is where 65 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,900 we see the best results because essentially the growth mindset 66 00:03:28,900 --> 00:03:32,300 stuff is talking about. Like mental approach to Learning 67 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:35,400 and Development and it helps you see the value of mistakes and it 68 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,100 helps, you see the value of struggle? 69 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:41,000 And it shows you how that those things actually help you grow 70 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,700 more than if those things were not there. 71 00:03:43,700 --> 00:03:47,600 And so what we've seen is people who understand growth mindset 72 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,900 and understand this mental approach to learning actually 73 00:03:50,900 --> 00:03:53,700 get more out of a practice that's designed according to the 74 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:57,200 principles of motor learning. So train, ugly is the marriage 75 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,100 of those two. I guess, areas of research, 76 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,800 Each. So growth mindset is the mental 77 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,300 side of learning and then motor learning is like, what learning 78 00:04:05,300 --> 00:04:08,800 looks like and how we can design our practice according to the 79 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,600 science. And so, if we were to jump into 80 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,400 growth mindset, there are two things that really, really, I 81 00:04:15,408 --> 00:04:19,100 think matter the most there and the first is like, the core of 82 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:22,500 it all is simply a belief in your ability to learn. 83 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,000 This could be learning a new project, new skill and new 84 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 swing, but it's simply the belief. 85 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:33,600 Your ability to eventually learn and figure something out. 86 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,400 And then to build one step on top of that. 87 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:39,500 And I think this is equally as important is sort of like what 88 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:43,700 you value. So, the do extra research is 89 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:47,000 that people with growth mindset, they value learning, and getting 90 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,200 better, more than they value, how they look, I guess the 91 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,800 opposite of a growth mindset is a fixed mind that and these 92 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,300 people do not believe in their ability to learn and get better 93 00:04:57,500 --> 00:05:01,000 and their number one concern. Tell them, Look to other. 94 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,100 And so, going back to a growth mindset. 95 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,900 It's those two concepts that really make up a true growth 96 00:05:07,900 --> 00:05:11,200 mindset. It is, I believe I can learn and 97 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,500 learning and getting better is more important than how I look. 98 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:17,700 And with that attitude, obviously, there's more, there's 99 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,000 like that takes work. That's like a daily battle that 100 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,800 you fight to get to that zone where you have those two like 101 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,900 beliefs and values. But when you're there, you get 102 00:05:28,900 --> 00:05:32,300 more from your practice because See the value of like a 103 00:05:32,300 --> 00:05:36,000 difficult game like practice. That's a great way to put it 104 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,500 Trav. I've seen and and read and 105 00:05:38,500 --> 00:05:42,400 watched a bunch of your content where you talk about the the 106 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,300 jungle tiger and the nun jungle tiger. 107 00:05:45,300 --> 00:05:48,300 And I think that is just an incredible analogy at, you know, 108 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:50,900 especially for what you just for, what you just talked about 109 00:05:50,900 --> 00:05:53,700 with the growth mindset, I think, you know, obviously, I've 110 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:55,800 listened to it. I've watched some of your 111 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,400 presentations online, but I think it would be great if you 112 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,400 could just go over. Over that that analogy for the 113 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,600 listeners for this, it will be awesome for them to you just 114 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,800 meet you. Maybe do like a virtual fist 115 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,100 bump right there because the jungle tiger stuff, I think is 116 00:06:12,100 --> 00:06:16,100 the best way to teach this. And for me, it's the best way to 117 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:18,900 understand how this works. And it also plays into the 118 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:23,300 growth mindset stuff as well. So like the quick jungle Tiger 119 00:06:23,300 --> 00:06:27,100 exercise of the Jungle, tiger story, is simply a comparison of 120 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:30,000 two tigers. One tiger that lives in a zoo. 121 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:34,600 One tiger that lives in the wild there in the jungle and if you 122 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,700 look and compare their lives, it's like it's pretty much black 123 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:40,400 and white. Like they're on opposite ends of 124 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,700 the spectrum Zoo. Tigers life is very easy. 125 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:48,900 It's very safe because it lives in a cage and everything is done 126 00:06:48,900 --> 00:06:50,300 for it. It always has food. 127 00:06:50,300 --> 00:06:53,100 Always has water. Always has protection and it 128 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:58,000 sits in a cage all day. Life is easy, life is safe and 129 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,300 then if you compare that to the life, Of a jungle tiger. 130 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:06,000 We're on the complete opposite. End of the spectrum where the 131 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,700 jungle tiger is not necessarily like safe all the time in his 132 00:07:09,700 --> 00:07:11,000 life. Isn't that easy? 133 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,000 Because he has to do everything for himself, he has to learn to 134 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,500 hunt to protect himself, to build shelter, like to do all 135 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:21,400 the things a jungle tiger, would have to do his life. 136 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,300 Involves a considerable amount more struggle and mistakes and 137 00:07:26,300 --> 00:07:29,800 errors and failures, like going to be hungry nights and hungry 138 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,500 days. If he doesn't find food and then 139 00:07:32,500 --> 00:07:37,200 sort of the punch line of this is what would happen if you put 140 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,000 a zoo tiger into the wild. Wow. 141 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,400 Hey won't do won't do very well what did find it difficult to 142 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,800 survive yet? It probably won't be alive for 143 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,600 long Zoo. Tigers going to be out in the 144 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,000 wild and really not know how to survive. 145 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,600 The reason, it doesn't know how to survive is because it spent 146 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,800 its entire life in its cage or everything was easy and safe. 147 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,800 But it Didn't really have to develop skills. 148 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,900 So if we put a zoo tiger in the wild, it's just not going to 149 00:08:04,900 --> 00:08:06,600 handle it. It's not going to survive. 150 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:11,100 Now, if we look at the jungle tiger, the Junger jungle tiger, 151 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:14,500 figures out, how to survive in the wild, it figures It Out by 152 00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:17,500 living there. The jungle tiger, learns to 153 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:22,400 survive in the wild by living in the wild and now a couple key 154 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,300 points I want to point out. They're both tigers and they 155 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:29,500 both have the same tools. They both have stripes. 156 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:32,600 They can both jump really high, they both have sharp teeth. 157 00:08:33,299 --> 00:08:37,000 The only difference was sort of the way that they grew up and 158 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,500 develop and that difference allowed the jungle tiger to do 159 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:45,800 something that the the zoo tiger could never do and this jungle 160 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,100 tiger approach. The part approach, the not safe, 161 00:08:49,100 --> 00:08:51,000 coach, the approach that was filled with struggle and 162 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,900 mistakes allowed that tiger to develop. 163 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,700 Skills that the zoo tiger never could the easy approach and the 164 00:08:57,700 --> 00:09:00,600 safe coach did not. And so if we were to take this 165 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,200 to the Sports World, literally any sport basketball soccer 166 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,600 volleyball golf. What we need to understand is 167 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,900 the game when we compete, when the lights are on, when the 168 00:09:11,900 --> 00:09:17,000 scores on when were playing, that is the Wild games. 169 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,400 Are random games are chaotic? No, two games. 170 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,700 You ever play, no two matches you ever play or ever. 171 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:29,600 Be the same games are the wild. Now the problem that I see the 172 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:34,200 one of the biggest problems I see, is we trying players and we 173 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,900 design our practices like Zoo our practices look good. 174 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,200 They are easy, but people are not getting better. 175 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:45,800 And so what happens is we train a bunch of zoo tigers and then 176 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,000 we throw them into the wild when it's game time and then they 177 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,700 struggle and we don't see that transfer. 178 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:55,100 And so like to take this one step farther, It's it's kind of 179 00:09:55,100 --> 00:10:00,400 looking at the zoo and looking at the cage in the zoo, like, is 180 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,100 a metaphor for our comfort zone and we all have comfort zones 181 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:06,100 you do. I do the players you work with 182 00:10:06,100 --> 00:10:08,700 do as well. And the truth is, when you're 183 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:12,300 operating in your comfort zone, whatever it may be, you look 184 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:16,100 good, it's easy. It is safe, but you're not 185 00:10:16,100 --> 00:10:19,200 necessarily getting better. Our comfort zone is just like a 186 00:10:19,208 --> 00:10:21,900 cage in the zoo. And so my job and the reason 187 00:10:21,900 --> 00:10:25,300 that chain ugly exist and the reason that I talked so much 188 00:10:25,300 --> 00:10:28,800 about this is to help people understand that the best 189 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,200 learning happens when you find a way to stretch outside of your 190 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,200 comfort zone. When you find ways to escape the 191 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,500 zoo and get into the wild. And so I think the big hurdle 192 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:43,400 that we faced with all of this is I've probably given the 193 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,700 jungle tiger talk to over 10,000 people at this point. 194 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,300 Ranging from like four year olds all the way up to professional 195 00:10:50,300 --> 00:10:52,400 athletes. And out of the ten thousand 196 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,200 people every single Single one of them agree that the jungle 197 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,600 tiger approach leads to more learning and prepares that tiger 198 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,100 to survive in the wild, the hurdle we face is most of us 199 00:11:04,100 --> 00:11:06,700 when it comes to development, and when it comes to learning, 200 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:10,600 we approach those things like a zoo tiger, where we would rather 201 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,600 play it safe. We would rather look good. 202 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,400 We would rather be in our comfort zone. 203 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:17,500 Then tries something new, then take a wrist and stretch out and 204 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:20,100 get into the wild. What I've found is the big 205 00:11:20,100 --> 00:11:22,700 reason behind that. We hate to look bad. 206 00:11:23,100 --> 00:11:28,100 We hate Ugly, we hate feeling like maybe we're out of our 207 00:11:28,100 --> 00:11:30,700 comfort zone. And so what we do is help, 208 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:34,400 people understand the value of getting into the wild and then 209 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,600 that is where growth mindset comes in. 210 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:41,900 So I think sum it up. It's jungle tiger zoo tiger 211 00:11:41,900 --> 00:11:44,800 talks about how learning, how learning works. 212 00:11:45,700 --> 00:11:49,500 And then the growth mindset is sort of the helmet that you wear 213 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:53,000 to survive in the wild. So we're saying you learn best 214 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,500 when you're stretched. You learn best. 215 00:11:54,500 --> 00:11:57,500 When it's ugly, you learn best in the wild in the growth 216 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:01,200 mindset, is your armor that you wear in the wild that helps you 217 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,800 deal with that struggle and tension of what real learning 218 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,700 involves. Because real learning. 219 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:09,400 As you guys know, you've been looking into this as well. 220 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,100 Real learning involves some tension and struggle. 221 00:12:13,300 --> 00:12:16,100 You have to be bad at something before, you're good. 222 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,200 And so what we're trying to do, like literally the, the reason 223 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,500 that we named the website, what we named it is trying to change 224 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:26,500 the perception. Option of what ugly is, people 225 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,500 ate ugly, people, resist, ugly, butt. 226 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:32,200 Ugly is where the magic happens. And so, we found that the jungle 227 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,300 tiger story is a great way to start that conversation. 228 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,700 Yeah, for sure. And I love this conversation 229 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:40,000 about desirable difficulties and challenge points. 230 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,900 One of my my favorite conversations and like how you 231 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:47,700 have to fall down to get better and like, on top of that, with a 232 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:50,800 growth mindset, like, I guess in a practical sense, like how do 233 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,200 you approach failure? Right. 234 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,600 Like when you fail in front of Well, and you feel horrible and 235 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,200 it's ugly not as someone approach that are like 236 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,700 practically like how do you get back up and go do it again. 237 00:13:00,900 --> 00:13:03,100 Yeah. So like and that's the tough 238 00:13:03,100 --> 00:13:05,800 part because it's easy to talk about these things and it's easy 239 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,000 to say look getting better needs to be more important than how 240 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:14,300 you look at least things. What I found is just having lots 241 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:17,800 and lots of conversation about the value of the the failure in 242 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,600 the struggle, a great book that I'd highly recommend is called 243 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,400 the obstacle is the way by Ryan holiday Absolutely incredible. 244 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:31,100 I'm about halfway through it and it just talks about how the most 245 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:34,700 successful people regardless of the industry. 246 00:13:34,700 --> 00:13:36,500 They're in summer in sports and summer. 247 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:40,700 In just any think the most successful people have been 248 00:13:40,700 --> 00:13:44,400 through a lot of obstacles and struggle in their life and what 249 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,400 they realize and what you realize if you look into their 250 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:52,900 stories is people learn more from obstacles and struggle than 251 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:55,000 if those things. These were not there. 252 00:13:55,300 --> 00:13:58,500 So what we need to do is start to change our perception about 253 00:13:58,500 --> 00:14:01,200 what a mistake in what like a stumble is. 254 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,800 It's like a valuable. It's a valuable opportunity to 255 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:05,900 grow. That's it. 256 00:14:05,900 --> 00:14:09,600 It's not. We shouldn't feel judged. 257 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,400 We shouldn't feel embarrassed. It should be kind of celebrated 258 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,400 where it's like, a special learning opportunity that you 259 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,400 get. Again, that takes a lot of work 260 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:22,600 and that takes a lot of conversation, but if we can get 261 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,000 there like that, Within this becomes powerful. 262 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:29,300 Yeah, but couldn't have worded it, any better trap the whole 263 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,100 failing and getting back up and trying to do it again and 264 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:36,100 changing the perception of how failings viewed is increasingly 265 00:14:36,100 --> 00:14:38,200 important. I know you've spent a lot of 266 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,700 time with the likes of John over at the Olympic Association and 267 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:47,400 and is good, buddy, Peter Vin and I know spent some time with 268 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:50,800 many professors and more learning and cognitive 269 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,100 psychology and all of that. And I know you've also spent 270 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:56,600 some time with some really, really good coaches. 271 00:14:56,700 --> 00:15:02,500 So I'd love to know like what the sort of conclusion is from 272 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:05,000 from all of these people. All of these amazing people that 273 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 you've managed to spend time with and just hang out with, how 274 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:13,700 do they view this? This failing and an ugliness of 275 00:15:13,700 --> 00:15:18,200 training and get and training, more game like to get better. 276 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,900 How do, how do they view it? Whether they're teaching? 277 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,400 Yeah, and I think that's a great question. 278 00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:25,900 But I think there are a couple of important things. 279 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:34,700 First of all, they realize this that practice Is there to help 280 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:39,200 us learn it better that it doesn't really matter. 281 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,700 What we look like in practice? What matters is what happens 282 00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:45,600 when the lights are on and it matters. 283 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:52,300 And so, the big, I think one of the core principles of motor 284 00:15:52,300 --> 00:15:56,400 learning is transfer. It's finding ways to essentially 285 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,500 transfer the improvements. We see in practice to the game. 286 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,400 Another way to look at it is if I get better in practice, does 287 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,600 it show up on Friday night? And the way I see it is we 288 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,900 should be finding ways to maximize that transfer because 289 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:16,600 what matters is like our performance in the game. 290 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,400 And so what they found is to maximize transfer. 291 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,200 So when we see improvements in practice, they show up in the 292 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:30,100 game to maximize that, what we need to do is make our practice 293 00:16:30,100 --> 00:16:32,400 resemble the game as much as possible. 294 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:35,500 This takes us back to Jungle tiger for one more second. 295 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:39,700 The jungle tiger learned to survive in the wild by living in 296 00:16:39,700 --> 00:16:44,100 the wild period. It lived in the wild struggled, 297 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:47,400 it figured it out and it developed an incredible skill 298 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,400 set. Practice is the same. 299 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,400 We said at the start, our games are the wild. 300 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,400 How do we get our practice to resemble the Wild? 301 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,500 And from what I've seen, the coaches that have really bought 302 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:02,900 into this and who are really running with this Stand that 303 00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:06,500 they are thinking about and having conversations all the 304 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:09,900 time about how can we introduce more variables into our 305 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:12,300 practice? That will make it more like the 306 00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:16,500 game period. And so if you think about like 307 00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:19,300 the emotion, that's there and a game, the pressure that's there 308 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:23,099 in the game, the randomness and chaos and the game, how do you 309 00:17:23,099 --> 00:17:25,000 introduce those things in practice? 310 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,100 And those are the conversations they're having now hard part of 311 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:32,200 that is coaches and players. Layers. 312 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:36,100 We all do, we all like it when things look good. 313 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:39,800 And so what happens is if we start to introduce all these 314 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:44,200 game variables into practice is doesn't necessarily look the 315 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,800 best. Like there is a lot more 316 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,700 mistakes, a lot more kind of chaos happening. 317 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,400 Doesn't look the best and if like a parent walk through the 318 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,200 gym, they would be going. Wow, what is going on here? 319 00:17:57,500 --> 00:18:00,100 But again, that goes back to like, what's important are? 320 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:03,900 We practicing to look good. Are we practicing to get better 321 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:08,900 because those are two very different things and it's really 322 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:11,600 hard for both of those things to happen at the same time. 323 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,900 And so the best coaches I've seen, they understand that the 324 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:18,900 reason we practice is to get better and if the reason we 325 00:18:18,900 --> 00:18:21,500 practice is to get better and needs to be ugly. 326 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,900 If we're just trying to look good by all means, we can do 327 00:18:23,900 --> 00:18:27,500 block practice, we can do these traditional drills and things 328 00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:29,400 that people do. That look good. 329 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,100 That organized. But the truth is Are not 330 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:34,600 stretching people, they're not challenging people and therefore 331 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,400 people aren't getting better. Hey, if you're enjoying this, 332 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,900 you might want to check out the motor learning master classes, 333 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:44,200 we put together here, call science lab, it's 15 sessions, 334 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,000 deleting golf coaches, talking about learning, Matt Cook 335 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,600 co-host here of game. Like training radio was actually 336 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,400 one of the presenters and talk to all about deliberate 337 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:55,800 practice. The one thing we can't get 338 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,800 around is that if we're going to reach a higher level of 339 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,200 performance. So if we're going to get better, 340 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,800 any We have to practice. Check it out at motor learning 341 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,800 lab.com. Let's get back into it. 342 00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:13,900 Here's kind of a tough question, right? 343 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,000 So the beginner right in level of skill. 344 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,400 So everyone is different. Everyone needs a different level 345 00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:21,800 of challenge. How does this apply to a 346 00:19:21,808 --> 00:19:23,400 beginners? Because I think it's easy to 347 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,600 apply this to someone. That's an expert. 348 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,800 Sure. But it might be a bit more 349 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,200 difficult to do. Someone just getting into golf 350 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,300 for instance, like how do we apply this? 351 00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:33,800 Yep. Okay so I love that question. 352 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,600 And this is like that's where you get the biggest. 353 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,200 Push back. A couple things. 354 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,100 I want to point out in the Learning studies. 355 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,200 The majority of them are based around teaching people a new 356 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,100 skill. These could be adults that can 357 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:51,000 be college students, but they're learning something that they've 358 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:56,200 never done before therefore these results, apply to people, 359 00:19:56,300 --> 00:19:59,000 the young athletes who are learning a new skill because 360 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,600 like in the studies where they compare block and random 361 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,700 practice, like they're teaching them something new. 362 00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:07,800 It's not like they're getting like drilling something that 363 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,300 they already know. So it's usually a new task that 364 00:20:10,300 --> 00:20:11,000 they're working. Emma. 365 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:18,000 Second, these results I think apply to any age group. 366 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,700 And so what we need to understand is when we are 367 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:26,600 teaching a new skill, it is okay to involve a bit of block 368 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,800 practice and block practices. Like the repetitive stuff that 369 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,400 you see, the traditional stuff, you see, where you do the same 370 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,400 thing over and over. We've been lucky enough to work 371 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,400 with the ton of kids that are a ton of different ages and 372 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,300 majority of those kids and the basketball world. 373 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,900 And we spend a lot of time, teaching them new things that 374 00:20:43,908 --> 00:20:48,200 they've never done and sort of the format that we've found that 375 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,400 works. The best is a simple 376 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,500 progression. And the progression goes, what? 377 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:56,400 Keys, lock practice random practice. 378 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,300 So let's like take them through that if we're going to teach a 379 00:20:59,308 --> 00:21:04,300 kid how to swing a golf club or a, teach a kid, a new shot in 380 00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:07,000 basketball. What we like to do is show them 381 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,500 video of what it looks like. You can go anywhere on YouTube 382 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,600 and find some Pass the mechanics that you're trying to teach of 383 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,800 whatever skill you've tried to teach. 384 00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:19,900 We spend some time letting the kids watch that two important 385 00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:23,000 things happen when they watch number one, they see what we're 386 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,100 going for. Number two, we have a very, very 387 00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:29,900 important conversation where we ask them. 388 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:34,100 Why do you think it would be important to learn this skill 389 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,700 now? That seems like maybe a simple 390 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:40,800 question, but that is huge, is what we're doing is starting to 391 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,400 give them a little bit of ignition. 392 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,500 And this is something that Daniel Coyle talks about where 393 00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:47,800 it's like, they now see the value of this. 394 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,300 And so if we're teaching a kid, maybe to shoot a floater in 395 00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:53,500 basketball, which is just maybe a new shot and we show them a 396 00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:56,800 couple of minutes of video of people shooting it SM. 397 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,300 Why would it be good to know that shot? 398 00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:01,400 They say, wow, it looks like it's really easy to get that 399 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,700 shot off in traffic and it helps you get that shot off against 400 00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:09,100 taller Defenders and they start to talk about and see the value. 401 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:12,200 And what this is doing is building engagement And giving 402 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,700 them sort of purpose or a. Why? 403 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:19,600 Oh, why do I even to learn this? And we found that just that 404 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,300 simple question. And that short conversation 405 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:25,900 about the purpose of this increases, the amount of 406 00:22:25,900 --> 00:22:29,300 learning big time because now they have a reason for it. 407 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,300 So when we watch, we're doing a couple of things, we're showing 408 00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:35,700 them what it looks like. We're having a conversation 409 00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:38,600 about why it's important after we watch. 410 00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:42,200 We work with the kids and create skill Keys, which The two to 411 00:22:42,208 --> 00:22:46,200 three most important parts of that technique, whatever 412 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,300 technique you're teaching, there should be a few simple skill, 413 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:54,100 key, is that come up? And so, we usually develop those 414 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:58,400 keys with the players. After that, we let them get some 415 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,100 reps in like a more of a block practice type atmosphere. 416 00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:06,900 Now, that trick here and the key here is we only spend about 417 00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:10,900 three to five minutes on this. What we do is we'll spread them 418 00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:12,900 out. In their head, they know what 419 00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:15,400 they're going for. They know what the skill keys 420 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,800 are and now we're going to give them a ton of reps doing that. 421 00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:21,500 No defense with no chaos. No. 422 00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:23,700 Anything while they're doing this. 423 00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:27,000 We walk around with an iPad. We have a ton of iPads in the 424 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,500 gym and we give them visual feedback on this where we asked 425 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:33,800 them. Do you look like the video that 426 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,100 we showed you? What is different? 427 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:37,200 What can we work on? Are you doing the keys? 428 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,400 And we're giving them five minutes. 429 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,500 And in five minutes you could get a ton of reps trying this. 430 00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:47,900 You think and the purpose of this up, this block step is, how 431 00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:50,900 does this feel? So the purpose of watching was, 432 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:54,400 what is it look like the purpose of the keys is, what's 433 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,500 important? And then the purpose of the 434 00:23:56,500 --> 00:24:00,400 block practice is, how does it feel now after three to five 435 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,500 minutes, they're going to have a pretty good idea of like what it 436 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:05,900 feels like. And obviously some made progress 437 00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:09,500 faster than others. That's the art side of this 438 00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:12,200 where we need to work with the ones that are Juggling with it 439 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,500 and give them more feedback more visual feedback reps. 440 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,700 But as soon as they know what it feels like what it looks like. 441 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,900 Now, it's time to enter into a more random Zone. 442 00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:27,100 That doesn't mean we just roll the ball out and play. 443 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:31,200 Now that means we can come up with ways to randomize this 444 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,400 drill or the practice essentially. 445 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,000 What we're doing, there is adding some game element its 446 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,500 into the equation and that simple progression. 447 00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:46,800 We found incredible results and teaching people, new things 448 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,800 rather quickly and so will take people through that. 449 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,200 And what we is, by the end of that session. 450 00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:56,700 They're using the new shot, they're doing the new shot, and 451 00:24:56,700 --> 00:25:02,600 they're doing it in a game. And once they know, and once 452 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,400 they can show you what it looks like in a knot and I'd like a 453 00:25:07,408 --> 00:25:11,400 non crazy random environment, they're ready to random. 454 00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:14,900 And random and golf and random and basketball. 455 00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:18,600 Again, simply means just don't do the same thing twice in a 456 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,100 row. It doesn't mean just playing 457 00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:23,100 five-on-five. Now it means if we're working on 458 00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:25,800 shooting, we're shooting from different spots, shooting 459 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,200 different shots. We're just switching things up. 460 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,500 We're adding some defense and the same is true for you guys. 461 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:35,900 So maybe we develop our short game again. 462 00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:40,100 I don't know golf lingo, but may be working on a new Chip Shot, 463 00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:42,200 or whatever. And we give them Those block 464 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,900 reps. And then after that, it's time 465 00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:47,000 to go around and where it's like, hey, we're going to play 466 00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:52,500 on the Range or on a short short hole where we're 90 yards out 467 00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:55,500 where we're going to all play with, it's like four balls. 468 00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:58,900 And essentially what happens is with these four balls, we're 469 00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:01,200 going to hit them up close to the green and then they're going 470 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,200 to get four reps chipping around the green or whatever. 471 00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:06,300 Maybe. So they're like doing different 472 00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:08,400 things. It's starting to be more 473 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,400 game-like and that's where the real development. 474 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:15,100 Is it happen? That's an awesome way to 475 00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:17,600 progress. I think watching and then the 476 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,900 keys block and then random it's very similar to what a friend of 477 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,100 yours. Actually Tim Lee, I'm sure you 478 00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:26,800 spoke to him a bunch of times that's something that he 479 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,100 recommended. You know, short block could be 480 00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:32,400 good for the short space of time and then to move into random. 481 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,800 So yeah, that's that's awesome. I think that's some great 482 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,100 information for us in golf there. 483 00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:41,500 That one thing that I would really encourage people to think 484 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,500 About. Is that conversation of why 485 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:45,100 would it be important to do this? 486 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:48,900 It's like it doesn't seem like a big part of that progression but 487 00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:51,200 it's huge. It's absolutely huge. 488 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,600 Because I think when you hear more invested in, you see the 489 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,000 value of developing this, whatever it is, you're going to 490 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,500 be more engaged in that during that progression you'll get more 491 00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:04,300 out of it. Quick question Trevor on the 492 00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:07,900 random part like do you like to end that with like competition 493 00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:11,400 in some way or just is strictly just like random type? 494 00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:13,500 Type of game like, practice good or do you like to have that 495 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:16,800 pressure of a score as well? Then I always like to add the 496 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,700 pressure, the score. And this is sort of a tightrope 497 00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:25,000 that you walk because if like Sometimes when there's a score, 498 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,800 people start to play it safe. And so what I firmly believe is 499 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,800 this, I believe in creating the atmosphere and practice that is 500 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,300 as much like a game as possible. Therefore, there is a score and 501 00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:40,800 there is a competitive element. And then the conversations we 502 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,400 have with the kids is helping them understand that even though 503 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,200 there's a score attached to this, even though there's a 504 00:27:48,208 --> 00:27:51,800 winner and a loser, we are still here to get better and we are 505 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,700 still here. Here to to grow. 506 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,500 And so any mistakes that are made or any losses or defeats or 507 00:27:59,508 --> 00:28:00,900 whatever like those are. Okay. 508 00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:06,400 And what I tell kids is this, never let the number on the 509 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,100 scoreboard, rob. You have an opportunity to grow. 510 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,400 We talked about like the Reps that you get in a game, like, 511 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,300 practice are so valuable, do not miss out on those and what you 512 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:20,100 see in. I'm sure you guys see the same 513 00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:24,100 engulf, is maybe a player. Down by few strokes. 514 00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:26,800 And there's really no chance that they're going to catch up, 515 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,500 right? Like, there's just not going to 516 00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,200 win. And a lot of people in that 517 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,700 situation would sort of check out and kind of go through the 518 00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:38,100 motions for the next four or five holes because hey, I have 519 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:39,400 no chance. I can't win. 520 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,500 Just like a basketball team. It's down by 20 or 30 points 521 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,700 like they're not going to win that game, but the conversation 522 00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:49,900 in that I would encourage coaches to have, there is look, 523 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,800 we're playing this or like this. The reason we're doing this is 524 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,200 again, we're always focused on learning and getting better. 525 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,300 And the truth of the matter is, regardless of what the 526 00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:02,600 scoreboard says, you still have a lot of reps on the table to 527 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,800 get why, not focus on getting better. 528 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,800 And why not Embrace those reps? And you're probably not going to 529 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,100 win, we're probably not going to catch up, you're probably not 530 00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:16,300 going to catch the leader. But the truth of the matter is 531 00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:19,100 let's embrace the opportunity to go. 532 00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:23,100 Let's get the most out of this. Let's find a way to To treat 533 00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:26,600 this as an opportunity. And what you find there is 534 00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:30,800 number one, they'll start to get over like the fact that they're 535 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,600 losing and they start to see that the real important part of 536 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,800 competing and playing isn't like necessarily winning and losing. 537 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,000 It's just like seeing it as another opportunity to grow, 538 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,900 especially like a golf and basketball in any sport. 539 00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:49,400 Like if we're telling people, that the best type of reps are 540 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,000 game like reps, well, when you're actually playing, Saying 541 00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:56,900 those are the best reps. So, the games are kind of where 542 00:29:56,900 --> 00:30:01,700 the most Learning Happens. Because those are exactly like 543 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,600 the game because it is the game. So, you're in the wild, enjoy 544 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,600 it, regardless of what the scoreboard says, enjoy this and 545 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,800 embrace this and and take advantage take advantage of all 546 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,600 of those learning opportunities that the game or competition 547 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,900 presents. And so, the reason that I add 548 00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:22,000 score and add like the competitive element in almost 549 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,700 everything, You do is getting players accustomed to letting it 550 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:29,100 rip even when they feel like it matters. 551 00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:31,500 So, I think that's a big part of this. 552 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:35,700 It's like, can you have a growth mindset and can you take this 553 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:39,500 mental approach when there's a winner and a loser? 554 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,300 And there's a score on the line because that's where the real 555 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:46,000 value is. So my theory with that is that 556 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,300 is a skill, therefore, the more reps of get doing that, the 557 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:52,000 better, they will get at that. Feel like we could talk all day 558 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000 on this. This framework, this four-step 559 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,200 framework that you have, but this has been killer, man, we've 560 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,000 got growth mindset. We've got the the jungle tiger 561 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,400 analogy and we've got this, this four-step framework to teach new 562 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,100 skills. Absolutely amazing. 563 00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:08,300 Where can people go to check out more. 564 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:11,200 I know that you have, you have a, some good videos, diving into 565 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,200 some other stuff like, what would be the best piece of 566 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,300 content, you have out there that people should check out after 567 00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:18,100 listening to this. If they want, more motor 568 00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:22,100 learning stuff, there's a video on the train ugly website, about 569 00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:23,400 block. Practice. 570 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,500 And it might be one of my most favorite videos we've made 571 00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:31,700 because it shows why random practice is better and it goes 572 00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:34,900 into some some data that showed some applications. 573 00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:37,800 And I think it does a good job of really painting the picture 574 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,900 from that step. If they're interested in the 575 00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:46,100 mindset side of things, there's a ton of content there. 576 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:49,300 I think, the video I would recommend, it's called shift 577 00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:52,400 happens, and it's sort of talking about why. 578 00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:56,000 Why we worry so much about how we look and then how to get over 579 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,300 that. And so I think those would be 580 00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:04,300 two videos that I would suggest, hey Trev, what is, what some of 581 00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:07,200 your social media as well. Like what's your Twitter? 582 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:09,700 What can people follow you on Twitter and follow you on 583 00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:12,900 Facebook and things like that? Yep, everything is just train 584 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:14,500 ugly. So we're on everything. 585 00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:17,400 You could be well, blab, Instagram, Twitter. 586 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,200 It's all just trying to really awesome killer. 587 00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:22,200 Thanks. Trevor, man. 588 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,200 This Been fantastic dude such good info. 589 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,800 Hey I really appreciate the opportunity obviously there's a 590 00:32:29,808 --> 00:32:32,200 lot more to talk about so anytime you guys want to get 591 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,300 together I am in. Thank you so much for joining us 592 00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:38,400 today. Make sure to check out what 593 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,100 Trevor is doing it turned ugly.com and you know to be 594 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:43,000 awesome. If you said Thank you to him on 595 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,900 Twitter so quick. Shout-out say thanks for joining 596 00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:48,500 us and sharing this information for all of us. 597 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,200 Make sure to subscribe in iTunes and head over to golf science 598 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,400 lab. Dot-com better training. 599 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:57,500 See you can see those four videos that we put together on 600 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,700 more effective practice and we'll keep you up to date on new 601 00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:03,900 episodes that come out. This has been game like training 602 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,000 radio, powered by the gulf, science lab. 603 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,000 We'll see you next time.