1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,000 There are a few key concepts you need to understand if you want 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:07,360 to excel at distance wedges, and I bet that you're not thinking 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,840 about the impact of wind and all the factors of affecting how far 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:12,720 you hit a golf ball. Those are just a couple of the 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,280 things we're going to talk about in today's Golf Well podcast. 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,000 I'm your host, Cory Walker, and today we're going to have just a 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,760 great, already super fun conversation with Doctor Nico 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,200 Darris of Golf Blueprint. We're going to dive into a bunch 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,880 of stuff, his experience with pros, he's working with, what 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,240 he's learned. I'm going to share, you know, 11 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,000 some of what I've learned from coaches and just it's just a 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,320 good conversation. If you're into golf performance, 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,240 you're gonna enjoy this. Make sure to subscribe or follow 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,760 along wherever you're listening to this or watching. 15 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,920 As we have more podcasts coming, Nico is going to come back on, 16 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,480 hopefully on a regular basis. We got a running Google Doc of 17 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:50,120 topics and we'd love your questions. 18 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,720 Make sure to comment below next time. 19 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,040 We can do a bit of Q&A. Plus, I have some other episodes 20 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,480 planned along the way here on the podcast. 21 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,960 So subscribe, follow along kind of a new channel or an old 22 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,519 revitalized channel here the podcast. 23 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:07,920 This is just so fun to do. So let's get into it with Doctor 24 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,720 Nico Darris. Nico, I want to talk about 25 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,440 distance wedges because I was stalking your Instagram and 26 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,680 you've been talking about like 60 yard edges or something about 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,000 trying to hit it close, not hit it close. 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,440 And so I thought we would start our conversation there. 29 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,080 What are you talking about? Like. 30 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,560 Yeah, I love this. I love this. 31 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,640 And I think it's the best medium for it because we can actually 32 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,880 like deep dive. The hard part with social is 33 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,880 that there's such quick clips and I try to go deeper into the 34 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,880 nuance, but basically everything that you and I love is in the 35 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,560 Gray area, right? Like it's, it's so easy to just 36 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,840 be black and white. Like you should hit it close 37 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,080 every time. You should never lay it up or 38 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,440 you should lay it up to your perfect number is like the two 39 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,400 camps of, you know, I'm better at 105 yards. 40 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,000 And the data is like, well, you're wrong. 41 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,040 So this really kind of interesting conversation with 42 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,520 with Claude Harmon and Ryan Chrysler this year. 43 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,880 We're looking through live data for a couple of their guys and 44 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:01,920 our guys that we share. And we're kind of finding like 45 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,240 nobody really hits it to 60 yards. 46 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,640 Like there's very few shots if you look at the PGA Tour 47 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,000 database and Liv's database from like, let's just call it 40 to 48 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,200 70 for just easy math. And, and when you think about 49 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,560 why it's like, OK, well, first of all, like why aren't there 50 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,440 that many shots? And then you realize like a 51 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,800 they're tour pros playing tour golf courses. 52 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,520 And I think for people at home, this is where it gets a little 53 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,560 bit squirrely. You and I, we play 400 yard par 54 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,000 fours. Like I'm sure we have a bunch of 55 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,840 them and they're fun and say we like Tomahawka Dr. hits the cart 56 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,240 path, bounces on a sprinkler and we hit it 350, right. 57 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,240 You know, everyone hits at 3:50, then we have 50 yards into a 58 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,280 green What most country clubs that's like a great outcome. 59 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,320 Like you have 50 yards, the pins in the middle and kind of hit 60 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,120 that like little chip shot up there. 61 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,400 It's in between a pitch and a chip and you make a great score 62 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,000 and you're like, wow, math is great. 63 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,640 You bomb it up there as far as you can. 64 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,320 The problem is on Tour A, they don't really play 400 yard par 65 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,040 fours and if they do, it's probably like a weird hole that 66 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,040 you can't really hit driver. There's probably a lake 67 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,360 somewhere or pins are tucked right. 68 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,760 You think about Korn Ferry Tour, like those guys have to to aim 69 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,240 at every freaking pin. So that's a whole nother 70 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,120 separate entity. You know, those guys are trying 71 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,840 to shoot 30 under every week, but let's just use the tour. 72 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,880 They don't play a lot of 400 yard par fours. 73 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,480 So guys aren't banging it down there 3:30 and then having 70 74 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:25,560 yards in #1 #2 on par fives most often they're trying to reach 75 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,080 into like that's just like an easy, yes, we all know the math 76 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,520 that like you should try to hit it on in two and then make the 77 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,400 putt. Like I, I can't believe I never 78 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,720 thought of that. But but in terms of the, the, 79 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,080 the 40 to 70 yard shot, it's probably a mistake. 80 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,160 So you typically hit one in an area that you don't want to be 81 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,080 because why would a tour pro have 62 yards into a par 5? 82 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,320 It like doesn't, it doesn't really make sense. 83 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,280 They either like whiffed A3 wood. 84 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,280 They you know what I mean? Like it's just a statistical 85 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,360 anomaly that we found. And that's why I'm so glad to 86 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,440 dig into this. Our guys don't practice it like 87 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,040 being realistic. They don't have a lot of them, 88 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,600 so they don't practice them. Therefore, they're probably not 89 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,000 that good at them. Now, if you're an average golfer 90 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,840 and you play a bunch of 370 yard par fours, you bang at 300 yards 91 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,600 down there, yeah, you're going to score better. 92 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,000 But if you're a tour pro and you're playing, you know, 450 93 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,600 yard par fours every day, when are you going to have 50 yards 94 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,560 in? Like it's just it's not a number 95 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,360 that they oftentimes see. So the next time I want to like, 96 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,600 challenge a tour player for money, I'm going to go drop the 97 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,640 ball at 50 yards. No, I bet. 98 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:33,520 I bet they're still better. That's that's the problem. 99 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:34,800 I play this game too with my guys. 100 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,520 I'm like, oh, let's go play it at 62 yards and they hit it like 101 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,840 59 and I hit it, you know, 74. Like Tor. 102 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:43,400 Tor pros are superhuman freaks. You know, you, you and I have 103 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,440 seen that first hand many times. It's just a weird data set 104 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,720 outlier where there's just not a lot of those shot opportunities. 105 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,200 I think we looked at Scheffler was 1. 106 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,720 He basically never had that. And that's partly due to good 107 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,920 decision making, number one. And then #2 not a lot of 108 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,600 options. If you and I go out and play a 109 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,280 6500 yard course and we are absolutely bombing our drivers, 110 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:06,040 we're going to have a ton of those. 111 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,000 And should we start laying up to 90 yards? 112 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,840 No, like we should bomb it down there as far as we can. 113 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:14,800 I'm curious actually at Oakmont this week, I bet we'll see some 114 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,800 because guys are going to hit in the rough so often where they're 115 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,920 going to have weird numbers in and then hitting a 60 yard shot 116 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,640 out of the rough is not fun. So, OK, so you were digging 117 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,240 around of how do I like when you're thinking about games and 118 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,600 stuff to build for people, you're just not really going to 119 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,600 do anything that's fitting in the 40 to 60 yard category. 120 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,680 We, we do some, we do some it's just in terms of like, we love 121 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,800 the warm up, like I know you did Lil Jon, right, 306090 It's good 122 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,560 to do to, to, to have it in there. 123 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,880 It's a great warm up. So that if you are in that 124 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,240 situation, you're like, oh, I, I have a feel for this. 125 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,440 But basically like, I know DJ had a video a while ago, like 126 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,200 how do you hit a 60 yard shot? He's like, I don't. 127 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,360 And that was the whole catalyst for this idea of like, wait, do 128 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,600 these guys actually have 60 yards in? 129 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,440 And we kind of realized like they just never really hit that 130 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,760 shot. And if they do, it's probably, 131 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,640 there was probably a weird decision that led them to that 132 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,960 point. So our goal is like, let's just 133 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,240 not hit it there. I mean kind of a different way 134 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,400 to play. So I've gotten obsessed with 135 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,440 distance wedges because I figured I was terrible at it, 136 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,680 which I was. And then I've learned from a lot 137 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,800 of great people the last year did really good video with Mark 138 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,200 Blackburn where he went like really deep on it. 139 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,560 John Sinclair, he's got a bunch of data from top players. 140 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,880 And then then Claude, we spent some time talking about it there 141 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,720 as well. So like I really got into it, 142 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,680 realized I was one terrible out at 2. 143 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,120 I didn't understand the core concepts of it really even. 144 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,920 And so it was just been super fun to figure it out and then 145 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,280 work on it because it is like, gosh, I mean, how much time do 146 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:48,680 your guys spend on distance wedges? 147 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,720 Because Mark said his like his players are looking for a 2 yard 148 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,960 kind of gap right from what they're trying to hit is is kind 149 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,240 of the expectation. It's like. 150 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,480 Yeah, I can share an anecdote of that. 151 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,920 So we do, we have a wedge test on our end and the best we've 152 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,280 ever seen was world number one at the time. 153 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:08,960 And two weeks before he won the Masters, he had a 1.2 meter 154 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:14,080 distance gap from his 60° to his 7 iron of what he perceived. 155 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,640 So we'd call the number he'd hit it and it was 1.7 yards 156 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,240 basically from those clubs. Like it, it's superhuman. 157 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,160 So yeah, Mark's dead on with that 2 yards. 158 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,800 We typically find like Korn Ferry guys are somewhere in the 159 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,080 three to four range. If we were going to like, 160 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,440 roughly estimate a mini tour, pros probably in the 5:00-ish 161 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,320 range, 5:00 to 6:00. And then amateurs, I mean, it's 162 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,960 just all over the map depending on, you know, if they work on 163 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,800 it, how much they work on it. But yeah, in terms of like skill 164 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,400 development time, it's a huge factor and and actually distance 165 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,280 wedges on both ends of the spectrum. 166 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,040 So let's talk about like the Super short hitters that play on 167 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,360 tour. We have a couple of those guys 168 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,720 on on our GB Tor pros that don't hit it very far for them since 169 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:57,040 wedges are maybe more important than the Super long guys, which 170 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,800 sounds really like counterintuitive. 171 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,760 But if you think about it, they can't reach par fives. 172 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,520 And if they get in trouble, they're basically punching out. 173 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,680 Let's assume they play Korn Ferry and they punch out. 174 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:06,960 They have to make par with a wedge. 175 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,720 They can't like bomb and 9 iron out of the rough, you know, 185 176 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,320 yards. They they just don't have that 177 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,800 game. They got to punch it out and 178 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,920 then they got a wedge it. And then on the other end, the 179 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,680 Super high speed guys, I know it's really, really public 180 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,800 information of what Claude and DJ did when DJ was world number 181 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,360 one. They just turned into a video 182 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,200 game like Claude. I don't know if you guys talked 183 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,480 about that at all. Did you guys talk about that, 184 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:28,800 what they did? Just a little bit, yeah. 185 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,400 Touch on what they what they did. 186 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,080 Yeah, Claude basically turned it into a video game for him where 187 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,880 all they showed DJ was the number and then he just tried to 188 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,720 hit the number over and over and over again. 189 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,280 I think that's one of the most important things in, in the 190 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,360 last, I'd say 20 years of like data has been wedges because 191 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,480 yes, everyone's optimized now with their drivers, but now we 192 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,480 know exactly how far the ball is going. 193 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,080 And it's also one of the downsides for for amateurs at 194 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,840 home that might not have a launch monitor. 195 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,160 It is tough to work on wedges and like really precise distance 196 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,880 when you're at your local driving range. 197 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,960 And I'm using, you know, yellow balls at my local driving range. 198 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,160 And some fly straight and some dive and some go a little short 199 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,960 and some go a little long. So, so I I can fully empathize 200 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,080 with with people. That's tough. 201 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,200 What I have been struggling with lately is the concept is you 202 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,000 want low launch, right? Low launch, high spin is 203 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,640 controllable. And I don't know if you have, 204 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,280 you know any struggles with this, but man, controlling your 205 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,760 launch angle can be really difficult. 206 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,520 Like just this past week I've decided that anything under 85 207 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,800 is like is 60°, but anything over that, like I can't, I used 208 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,920 to hit my 60 up to 100 yards and I just like I can't get the 209 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,000 launch down on it. So I've just kind of, we've made 210 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,920 a decision. I got to go to, you know, 55 for 211 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,680 me from like 8085 yards on just cuz I, if I want to keep that 212 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:50,120 consistent like launch angle. And that's been a really big 213 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,480 battle that I've been like trying to figure out and like 214 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,640 constantly working on. Yeah, because you, you're a high 215 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,880 speed player yourself. Like how? 216 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,920 How hard have you found controlling launch angle and 217 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,680 spin and like what clubs to hit where and what? 218 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:07,080 Does wedges will always be tough for me and every other high 219 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,640 speed guy, and I've used this analogy before, but it's like 220 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,240 driving a Lambo in a school zone. 221 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,360 Like it's, it's really, really, really hard to drive the speed 222 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,480 limit 30 miles an hour because you're taking so much speed off. 223 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,720 It's always going to be a struggle. 224 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,120 It's it's just, it is what it is. 225 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:23,960 Now that being said, we found some scenarios and some ways 226 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,920 that are around that, whether it's through setup, whether it's 227 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,560 through shot shape, I think is one of the best ones that we 228 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:32,560 found guys adding a little bit more cut spin, you know, maybe 229 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,360 driving in a like for one of my guys, he likes to hit a tight 230 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,240 little draw with a wedge, but he pretty much only fades it. 231 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,160 So finding out what works for you and basically throwing out 232 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,640 what you think is going to work. Like one of my guys sets up so 233 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,880 far left that you basically, you look at him, you're like, where 234 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,560 is he aiming? Well, he does that to eliminate 235 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:54,600 his hips so that he can just get his arms working down cleaning 236 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,160 up that contact. Because I think one of the 237 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,720 things that you alluded to, the contact's the most important 238 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,800 part of wedge play. Like if you're a little chunky, 239 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,160 if you're a little thin, everything else is thrown off 240 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,400 like that is a strike game hitting the center of the face 241 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,200 or you know, wherever your your strike location is with your 242 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,240 wedge. Some guys even tell them like I 243 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,840 know some, some of my guys will toe bang their wedges to kill 244 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,200 spin. That's actually like a really 245 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,360 cool way to do it. Really scary if you don't like 246 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,320 if you don't practice it. But yeah, you can take a ton off 247 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,480 if you hit like a a toe bang. Little low draw, really cool 248 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,240 shot. Sounds terrifying. 249 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,800 Yeah, it's, it's trust me, some of the shots, I'm like, I don't 250 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,760 know how these guys do it. They're they're superhumans. 251 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,880 Like the things that they're thinking about again, like, I'm 252 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,240 like, oh man, I just hope I, you know, cover the water. 253 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,360 They're yeah, you know, they're thinking about like, the other 254 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,320 thing is, is, is that AMS at home can't think about is, is 255 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,400 ground spin. So pros control their spin 256 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,040 better than anything. So the trajectory is really 257 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,960 important. But what is the ultimate thing? 258 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,400 Like what is the ball going to do once it hits the the actual 259 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:55,600 surface, right? That's the most important thing 260 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,040 because your distance can be perfect. 261 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,480 And let's go to that 60°. Say you have 95 yards. 262 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:04,120 You can hit a 60° and 95 yards. I'm talking about you. 263 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,680 The problem is in the Midwest summer you might RIP that thing 264 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:10,400 off the front of the green. So what good does it make if you 265 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,720 have the perfect, you know, launch conditions and land angle 266 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,000 it doesn't matter. Makes 0 difference. 267 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,240 Yeah, no, I it's been really interesting to work on this. 268 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,120 And I think one of the biggest things that that I've had to do 269 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,200 is 1A launch miners non negotiable if you want to get a 270 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,280 distance wedges, right. I've just been staring at I've 271 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,920 been staring a lot at at launch angle and spin numbers and all 272 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,680 that. And then the other thing, I'm 273 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:37,640 curious what you think about this. 274 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,720 But I found like filming myself is just become essential because 275 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,160 you see so much, you know, if you're out not working with a 276 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,880 coach, right, you're just practicing like if you just have 277 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,800 yourself, so you have to get some kind of feedback. 278 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,640 So like, I don't know, I saw like, oh, it might look like 279 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,680 your ball position is middle of your stance, but it's not. 280 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:58,600 It's like forward, you know, like stuff like that, that if 281 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,840 you want to learn, then you got to look at some feedback. 282 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,440 So I found, yeah, launch it. And then film. 283 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,040 I don't know. Is video going to make a 284 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:06,160 comeback? That's my. 285 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,480 That's my. I don't know that ever left in 286 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,440 my game, you know, the film and everything. 287 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,360 So I think I'm the wrong one to ask on that. 288 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,120 Definitely the wrong ones. I think the if you're working 289 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,440 with a coach, trust your coach. And I always say this to people 290 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,800 like you need a guru, right? Like think about religion. 291 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,800 Like there's people that are spiritual and they have like, 292 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,200 you know, let's use the tour. They have like 6 different 293 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,160 people they work with at once. Doesn't really typically work 294 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,280 that well. Like you follow one leader, you 295 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,840 follow one guy and, and I think the best players in the world 296 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,560 have had that. They, they have one coach. 297 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,000 So for them, they don't need to film. 298 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,800 But for those of us at home, yeah. 299 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,000 I mean, if you're working on something like film it, it's a 300 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,280 no brainer. The only kicker to that is like, 301 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,080 are you A qualified to understand what's going on? 302 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,960 For a lot of people, the answer's no. 303 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,240 Like, and then B, did you find that video on Instagram that's 304 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,720 talking about XYZ Tor Pro who does this? 305 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,520 Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Maybe that's just their 306 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,320 interpretation of what they're working on. 307 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,520 And there's a chance that it's perfect for you. 308 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,120 Like there's a chance that you see the video, you see what 309 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,200 you're doing and it matches. There's also a massive chance 310 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,200 that like that person on Instagram misinterpreted what 311 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,920 that player's doing. They're probably not their 312 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,680 coach. And then you go out and try to 313 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:15,160 fix a problem that you don't have. 314 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,360 So I always preface that by saying to people like you're in 315 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,360 a different category where you get to work with the best 316 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,640 coaches in the world every day and you get your swing thoughts 317 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,840 and your swing feels for, you know, Joe on the driving range 318 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,920 who watches a video of an Instagram influencer breaking 319 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,240 down Victor Hovlin's swing, for example. 320 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,200 Like, dude, who knows if that's what is is going to fix your 321 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,720 golf swing? So I'm always like, I'm always 322 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,520 like very hesitant for people to copy what they think or, you 323 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,760 know, if you're going to coach yourself, then like, hell yeah, 324 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,040 dude. Like lock in film your own 325 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,560 swings I would say. Though that like everybody could 326 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,920 probably look at their setup and like at least give themselves 3. 327 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,840 Percent right dude. OK so so let's do the like. 328 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,560 Setup and ball position are the two things you can't fix 329 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,880 yourself. So and I I recently like got 330 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,960 back into playing like more everyday basically golf. 331 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,280 I took a little bit of break when I got tattooed and now I'm 332 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,240 back to it the first 3 rounds no joke. 333 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,160 Or training aids where I literally had my guys stand 334 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,160 behind me and tell me where I was aimed because I'd be like OK 335 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,400 I want to start it off there and they'd be like dude you're aimed 336 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,240 a fairway right? And I had no idea or the ball 337 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,520 position was weird. Could not agree more. 338 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,560 Either get a friend to check it for you that you trust or like 339 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,240 you said, film it at the range and be like, OK, my ball 340 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,840 position feels up here. Feel versus real is yeah, good 341 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:32,680 Lord. I was. 342 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,400 I was not aimed correctly. Yeah, it's funny you say that. 343 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,240 So I was, we just did a video with Luke Benoit. 344 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,640 He's he's up here and we're actually looking at it. 345 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,520 I don't, we weren't even talking about it, but he like just threw 346 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,360 an alignment rod stick down and I was like aligned way farther 347 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,560 left, probably a good 15 yards left to where I thought I was. 348 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:53,960 And it's just like, this is stupid. 349 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,800 I like, I, I actually, I think game's important and I like to 350 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,640 so important practice it myself and like test myself on it. 351 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,880 And I was like, no, I'm, I'm fine, I work on this, I've got 352 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,840 this, but it's like, no, like you, you do not have this. 353 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,480 You're clearly far off. So yeah, I think maybe I I'd 354 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,440 probably just gotten a bit too reliant on the on the stick down 355 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,800 there during practice times. And then you know what, it 356 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,760 happens to everybody, right? It's the most common training 357 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,880 aid on on a driving range there's. 358 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,240 A reason right like this is this is the fundamentals. 359 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,000 I mean, grip, setup, posture, all those things are the 360 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,760 fundamentals. And there's a reason the pros do 361 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,600 them every day. Yeah, I love that. 362 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:27,840 Love that. And yeah, if you, if you can 363 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,320 film it, then do it. For sure. 364 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,960 The last thing with distance wedges that I want to talk about 365 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,160 is the clock system because I've been working on this as I've 366 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:41,040 been kind of trying to dial all this in and this was a lot of 367 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,960 people talk about this. I think probably everybody I 368 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,880 talked to has talked about this from Mark to Claude to, you 369 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,960 know, like where you at and kind of filming yourself again, 370 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,480 filming yourself. And it comes in handy if you're 371 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,640 working on that because you have no idea what 9:00 is by your 372 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,640 feel. It's just a construct more more 373 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:03,040 so in your brain, I feel like, but but the Grapevine says that 374 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,280 that you don't you don't like the clock system. 375 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,400 Yeah, the Grapevine is in 30 seconds before we started 376 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,760 meeting like, Oh my God. You have to reveal how the 377 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,440 research program works around here. 378 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,760 The the big great reveal. OK, so so I love the clock 379 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,000 system for most players and I think it's like super effective, 380 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,400 especially if you're a little bit longer, you have like a long 381 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,800 action. And I think that my job is 382 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,280 always to throw the hand grenade and just be like, wait a minute, 383 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,960 but what about that one thing? So here's the problem with the 384 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,800 clock system. There is a very particular 385 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,880 player who is a big Spaniard who has a very short swing. 386 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,200 How's he going to do the clock system? 387 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,920 He can't. And so designing games, how do I 388 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,920 get, you know, John to hit a 70 yard shot? 389 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,920 Well, it's a little bit different than, you know, 390 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,400 someone who has a big long swing that's able to, you know, really 391 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,880 feel that 1030 move. So I always preface to people 392 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,200 like if you don't do the clock system, that's OK too. 393 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,520 There's other ways to take speed off and there's other ways to do 394 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,160 it. The other thing is there's 395 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,280 there's some amazing research that shows that your backswing 396 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,040 length, like the longer your backswing, this is just like 397 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,880 really simple stuff doesn't necessarily translate to more 398 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,400 power or less power. Like there's guys who have short 399 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,280 swings that flush it and hit the center of the face. 400 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,320 They wouldn't be more powerful with more backswing. 401 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,080 So the same goes like for some players that go clock system and 402 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:23,240 they go say they hit that like 10-30 wedge, they actually hit 403 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,480 it better because they hit the center of the face. 404 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,440 They compress it more. That's where they are like, 405 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:33,160 let's say optimally, like that's their optimal strike zone, let's 406 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,920 just call it. And then they end up hitting it 407 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,320 further, which happens. So, so I always preface to 408 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,840 people like, yes, basic 101, if you've never done it, use the 409 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,120 clock system. But also because it's my job to 410 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:48,080 to understand the weird outliers. 411 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,680 There are weird outliers that hit it further with shorter 412 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:52,640 moves. Got it. 413 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,280 We'll get back. I, I wanted to debate that, but 414 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,880 we, we got to press on cuz I, we got to, I got to stay on track. 415 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,640 Into that one. It's a fun one. 416 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,040 Yeah, I guess you got to have some kind of swing thought 417 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,640 though, right? Like you got to have some kind 418 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,280 of feel to hit a distance cuz you can't. 419 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,080 I think where people get in trouble is they just try to hit 420 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,800 a 70 yard shot. Like I think that's a poor kind 421 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,880 of swing thought probably to have. 422 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,520 So you do you agree you have to have some something? 423 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,800 And by the way, I'm over. I overwhelmingly agree that a 424 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,400 system works like I just, I couldn't agree more with. 425 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,320 Yeah, the one weird anecdote is Johnny, who like literally can't 426 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,440 have a shorter and he does like he takes speed off with a little 427 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,320 bit of a shorter move. That's something that him and 428 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,560 TBI Dave works so hard on, and it will always be a big focus. 429 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,320 That's just the one fun anecdote that I'm like, but wait, there's 430 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:49,000 one person that you know. Yeah, I guess what another thing 431 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,720 which just, I don't know, a thought that Mark Blackburn 432 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,520 said, which has just stuck with me for for probably the last 433 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,160 year, just like a distance wedge viewed as like an underhand 434 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,760 toss, which has been just such a like a great thought, so good 435 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,760 how to approach it because I don't think many of us not I 436 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,880 mean, there's always you could think of some people you kind of 437 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,560 like speed through it and dig or say, you know, you kind of like, 438 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,160 but like this, this thought maybe next time of like an 439 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,920 underhand toss and maybe you're using the clock system, maybe 440 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,400 you're not. But it's like that is your maybe 441 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,880 tempo or vibe that you go for. There you go. 442 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,840 I'm handing out vibes from people. 443 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:28,040 What I love about that actually is Mark and I will say all the 444 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,120 best coaches in the world, they speak to players in a way that 445 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:33,520 they listen and I think that's what makes them great. 446 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,320 So you probably spent, I mean, how long did you spend with 447 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:37,560 Mark? Just just as like. 448 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,120 Two days, yeah. OK, so you spent two full days 449 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:41,920 with him. Like I'm sure he gave you some 450 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,880 like PhD level super genius stuff. 451 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,000 But like that one thing is what you walked away with. 452 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,480 And when I've gotten to spend time with, as you have all the 453 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,600 best coaches in the world, they are really, really good at 454 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,760 taking a very complex thing, right? 455 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,680 Just wedges is in general distance. 456 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,360 Wedges are so hotly debated online. 457 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:01,640 Wait till we start talking about short game. 458 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,320 Oh my God, those are my favorites. 459 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,360 Like I love, love reading the short game debates, but the best 460 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:11,440 coaches in the world are able to take a very highly complex issue 461 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,240 and give it to you in a way that you could understand. 462 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,080 You walked away from that and you're like, oh, it's an 463 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,560 underhand toss. That's why Mark is so good at 464 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,760 his job. That's why you know, Luke is 465 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,760 amazing at his job is because they could give you things that 466 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,920 you could hear. And that's why, like some 467 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,880 players match with some coaches and and some don't. 468 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,360 But like, I love that for Mark. Like what a great analogy. 469 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:32,800 Yeah, no, I think that's what great coaching is ability. 470 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,480 It's the ability to communicate and relate to players 100%. 471 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,840 I think that is why, I mean, that is why some coaches work 472 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,120 for some players and some don't for others, like and that's a 473 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:44,360 good thing, right? Yeah, that's good for for every 474 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:45,760 player. OK, distance wages. 475 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,480 We we've covered a lot here. What else have we missed 476 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,760 anything on this? What else have I been thinking 477 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,440 about with? We've been talking about the 478 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,000 wind. That is something that you and I 479 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,760 have been with Nega obsessed with. 480 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,360 I don't know if we're going to tease that or you want to get 481 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:56,960 into it. That's. 482 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:00,200 That's one you might as well well, it's relevant because 483 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,120 Bryson's Oakmont video, I don't know if you watched that was 484 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,800 it's great. Like, first of all, that we're 485 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,080 in a world where, you know, a top player is making a YouTube 486 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,600 video before a major showing us a practical crown is like 487 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,640 whatever you think of the whole, you know, his whole deal or 488 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,440 YouTube in general. Like that's pretty freaking 489 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,720 cool. If you told us that 10 years 490 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,840 ago, I don't think anybody would have believed you. 491 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,880 But part of his process is you will always hear him figure out 492 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,880 what club to hit. And it is super specific. 493 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,480 It is a like an equation. And I think that's the opposite 494 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,000 of how most people treat the wind distance and all those 495 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,280 factors, right? Like it's like it's not a, oh, 496 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,760 this is going to play a club long. 497 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,080 That's not like, I don't think that's a good idea. 498 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,440 I don't know what you think about that, but. 499 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,440 Yeah, so first of all, like, how cool is that that top players 500 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,880 are now using social media not as like a, I'm going to say like 501 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,280 a self emotion thing, but more of like genuinely teaching 502 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,720 players. And like I think getting to see 503 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,640 some of these matches in the behind the scenes, like, yeah, 504 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,880 they're produced. Yes, there's an outcome and a 505 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,680 goal. But like if you watch them, you 506 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,520 can learn a ton from what they're doing and what they're. 507 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,320 And a lot of guys are really open now, which is super cool 508 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,520 about their struggles, about their challenges, things that 509 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,960 they're working on things. Bryson's not one of my guys. 510 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,320 So I'm always like really clear about my guys and not, but I 511 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,160 love watching the videos from afar and especially his process 512 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,360 very unique, very different. Not how my guys do it, not how I 513 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:23,920 do it, but I love learning and getting to see, hey, what is 514 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,280 this dude who's winning all the time doing because it's working. 515 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,480 It's very similar to his putting. 516 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,840 He uses math and putting. I know there's some great guys 517 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,720 that that use math and and that whole mine there too. 518 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,800 Wind for me, the obsession has been trying to understand the 519 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,320 idea of a straight ball in the wind. 520 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,520 OK, so let's just like start there, right? 521 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,360 Let's assume that there's no wind and you're going to hit a 2 522 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:51,440 yard little little just beautiful high tour cut that 523 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,440 falls in with A7 iron like everyone's towering fade dream. 524 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,800 OK, so if you start there now you add a 10 mile an hour wind 525 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,920 off the left. OK, so now that same 2 yard fade 526 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,200 is going to move essentially with 10 yards of wind. 527 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,760 So now this is where the like Pandora's box for me. 528 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,760 And like waking up at 2:00 AM in a cold sweat trying to 529 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,120 understand how far left do you then aim? 530 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,960 OK, let's start there. You hit the same shot shape. 531 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,880 You just now have to aim the equivalent of whatever 10 yards 532 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,080 left is with your ball. Let's start there. 533 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,080 Now that brings in a massive problem set. 534 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,520 You might be starting out over water, you might be starting it 535 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,080 out over a bunk, whatever it is hazards, OK, or you change your 536 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,640 swing dynamics and you hit a straight ball. 537 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,680 Well, in order to hit a straight ball with a 10 mile an hour left 538 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,040 wind, your swing dynamics have to change. 539 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,480 And so as I could see your eyes just like beginning to, you 540 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,240 know, do the process. This has been such a fun 541 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,680 conversation and like shout out Chris Brodie, Marty Durst. 542 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,960 I know you had Marty on there. Like King has the best ball lab 543 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,200 in the world by far. Like those guys are super 544 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,840 freaking genius and I text them like randomly I'll be like 545 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,680 Chris, like what about this idea? 546 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,280 You know, what about this? And so that has been like, I 547 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,640 don't even know how to describe it. 548 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,120 This has been my like pet project for a really long time. 549 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,520 What? What you'd set it up? 550 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:13,760 What? What's the answer? 551 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,920 OK, so the answer is if the answer is twofold, you're either 552 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,800 actually it's not true. There's three potential 553 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,040 outcomes. You either hit your normal stock 554 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,480 shot shape. You just play what you estimate 555 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,200 the wind to do to your golf ball. 556 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,800 Pings ball labs amazing and it can simulate your 7 iron. 557 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,760 You just have to start it. Let's just say I'm going to use 558 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,960 a a a #12 yards more left of whatever you think you would do. 559 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:39,240 Or I have a friend, John Tattersall, who's obsessed with 560 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,360 the straight ball. So in order to hit the straight 561 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,000 ball, then you'd essentially have to hit like a tight little 562 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,840 draw that starts at the pin and doesn't move because in order to 563 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,720 counteract the left wind, you'd have to hit the draw. 564 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,840 So now you have two shot shapes that goes against the people who 565 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,520 are like, well, you need one shot shape. 566 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,080 Then it adds into the idea of what about, you know, 20 miles 567 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,840 an hour wind. Now what do you do? 568 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,920 And then what do you do with a driver where most guys only have 569 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,280 one shot shape? So it's just been this like 570 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,160 really fun exploration of trying to understand. 571 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,000 I don't believe in anything in golf. 572 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,640 There's a right way by the way, like I like you've heard, you've 573 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,760 probably heard me say that at some point, like there's no 574 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,120 right way to do it because if there was, everyone would do it. 575 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,200 The Tour is so competitive. We're all trying to find 576 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,000 margins. To me, it's just like my brain 577 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,120 trying to rationalize lowest score expectation outcomes for 578 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:32,760 the best players in the. World let's let's go through 579 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,360 like a a quick process though that people should be doing 580 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,320 right? Like so you have a shot, let's 581 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,560 just say fairway, you're going to have least amount of 582 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,800 variables there. You're you need to know your 583 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,400 average yard just going to go with your shot shape. 584 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,080 And then when let's say 10 miles an hour of wind straight into 585 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,520 are we at 10% off or we at 10 yards off? 586 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,040 What's that? It depends on this is the 587 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,840 kicker, right? So it depends on your what 588 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:55,840 you're trying to do with the shot. 589 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,120 We know this. We know that when the wind is 590 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,680 dead into our your face, your dispersion becomes wider east to 591 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,680 West. That's always that's ping shout 592 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,640 out balamic like that's going to be a thing. 593 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,200 You're going to have a wider dispersion. 594 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,960 Here's the other kicker question. 595 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,800 Do you then try to flight it or do you hit your stock shot and 596 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,600 you just allow the wind to knock it off because again, stock 597 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,080 shot. OK, OK, So then like, yeah. 598 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,640 But like in Florida, for example, let's just assume 599 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,520 you're using your stock shot and it's blowing 30 in your face 600 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,640 your seven hour and might go 112 yards. 601 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,000 Like, you know, who knows? Whatever. 602 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,400 You just go home. You go home is. 603 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,600 The answer at that point, those are the days that you take up a 604 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,080 new hobby and you text your friends. 605 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,480 You're like, why did I do this? Like why am I paying for this? 606 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,160 I'm paying for abuse. So to answer your question, 607 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,320 you're middle fairway. You have a 7 iron and you you 608 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,400 you then estimate the win. So there's a ton of apps out 609 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,960 there. I don't know if tournaments 610 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,640 allow guys depending on like I know in the minor league tour 611 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,880 out here, what not guys can use live wind. 612 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,040 That's it. I don't know. 613 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,240 I don't know what like your state Golf Association would say 614 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,400 about that, because if you can get live win data, hell yeah, 615 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,720 that's a game. Changer. 616 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,600 Interesting. I'd never I haven't heard of 617 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,840 that one. OK, so let's say if we have 10 618 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,640 miles an hour in, we're just going to take 1010 yards off, 619 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:10,320 right? So. 620 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,800 Yeah, depends on the guy. This is something that you would 621 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,280 that we do it where we go out and literally chart guys 622 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,440 distances with like OK, I have a 7 iron, it's 10 miles an hour 623 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,240 in. I'm going to hit my stock shot. 624 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,680 I'm going to flight 1. Let's see the difference again 625 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,640 because some guys hit it better when they flight it. 626 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,480 So that becomes a problem. So this is just knowing your 627 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:34,200 game and understanding maybe your ball effects more than 628 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,680 mine. Maybe like I have a guy, you 629 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,960 know, shout out Ryan Gerard. Ryan Gerard hits literally flat 630 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,720 cuts that we all laugh about. Like I'll be standing on T, I'm 631 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,680 longer than him on the T, but I'll stand on the T and I'll 632 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,600 have a six iron and he has like a nine iron and I'm going like 633 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,240 what in got like one of us is so far off right now on this par 3, 634 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,600 but he hits literally like a flat cut that doesn't get 635 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,000 touched by the wind. So for people at home, it's 636 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,240 owning your game. It's owning your decision maker. 637 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,280 It's understanding like a Daniel Berger, for example, it's like 638 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,360 the most gorgeous chip cut you've ever seen, playing 639 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,440 completely differently than a Rory who hits like a towering 640 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,360 high draw. So that would be #1 like who are 641 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,640 you as the player? And then two, understanding that 642 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,040 your dispersion's going to be a little bit wider east West, and 643 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,200 I would say probably picking a bit more conservative target. 644 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,360 Those would be the two big decision making things that I 645 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,400 would start with shot shape, understanding A a real sensible 646 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,520 target. Let's just use that word and 647 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,280 then strike right? Like you got to hit the center 648 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,920 of the face in order to get the ball to do what you wanted. 649 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,680 Yeah, yeah. And then downwind, we're going 650 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,640 that it's that it's probably half of the of the wind then, 651 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,040 yeah. I think that's what the math is 652 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,040 sorted out, isn't that it? Doesn't it wind? 653 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,680 From what I remember it affects your ball into more than it 654 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,080 helps you downwind. Although downwind it does 655 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,920 tighten it and then it creates again like land angle is a big 656 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,680 one where like descent angle trying to understand what the 657 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,200 ball is going to do like this. I think in Oakmont it's going to 658 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,880 be a huge one where guys who can hit the ball high, they can stop 659 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,920 it versus if your descent angle is steep, you're going to hit it 660 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,120 and bounce through. You know some of those those 661 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,960 pool table type greens. I think, I think the biggest 662 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,360 shift for people to make is just start doing a bit of math before 663 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,560 before they pull a club. I'm not just trying to guess 664 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,720 into the wind and say, all right, this is a, you know, I'm 665 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,960 going to chip this one instead of this one just because you 666 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,000 just get in so much trouble if you aren't, if you're not a tour 667 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,560 pro, you get a lot of trouble when you start to manipulate and 668 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,880 like, I'm going to chip this low and like, you don't ever really 669 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,040 practice. So you don't actually know how 670 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,160 far that goes. And then you like, you're just 671 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:39,840 saying you're still, you're about. 672 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,880 Practicing that shot every day that like we always say, like 673 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,120 Daniel Berger hits the best chip 6 iron in the world. 674 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,800 Like he can hit that thing 165 yards and it's just, it's 675 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,640 literally Picasso painting like it is and the most beautiful. 676 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,040 But if you're a dude who doesn't practice that shot, then yeah, 677 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,160 like go with what you've practiced. 678 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,600 Go with the shot that you've hit on the driving range and you're 679 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,680 like that hundred and you know that 7 iron, I might just be a 680 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,000 little, I'm gonna hit my stock shot. 681 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,680 I'm going to come up a little bit short. 682 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,880 And I accept that. That's totally a wonderful 683 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,360 outcome. I think people at home, the, the 684 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,480 you alluded to it like understanding and owning your 685 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,680 game. We all want to be better. 686 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,800 I show up every day. I'm like, today's the day I'm 687 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,120 shooting 56. Like I'm that guy. 688 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,560 I'm going to do it. But at the end of the day, it's 689 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,240 like I have to make decisions based on my skill level today. 690 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,200 And it can be humbling and it can be frustrating and it can be 691 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,400 disappointing. But at the end of the day, like 692 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,760 trying to get the most out of what you bring to the golf 693 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,880 course, that day is the best because then you can get better 694 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,480 by, you know, little by little by little. 695 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,840 Other other factors water I did a test. 696 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,880 I was out of pink. Did the test well that driver 697 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,160 goes shorter, way shorter. Yes, it was cool. 698 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,800 I was literally like back-to-back shots was 20 yards 699 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,600 shorter with with little water on the golf ball. 700 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,440 So that three nuts. That Ferrity interview with Phil 701 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,320 where he's in the leather jacket shout out Phil the homie Phil 702 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,160 talking about ball going shorter over water and. 703 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,640 If you get a little bit of water in between the club face and the 704 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,760 ball, people don't know it actually increases spin I. 705 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,840 Remember talking about that and being like, dude, there's like 706 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,400 zero chance. Like, come on, Phil. 707 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,720 And he was like, no, I'm dead serious. 708 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,800 Like the ball goes shorter over the water, like even with an 8 709 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,080 iron in the morning on a par 3. And then sure enough, like you 710 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,960 went to paint and it's a real. And I was like, you know what? 711 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,240 Hell yeah, Phil? Like, I love that. 712 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,840 I freaking love that listening to that guy talk about. 713 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,120 It's one of the most amazing things. 714 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,160 And like anyone that has the chance to watch it, listening to 715 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,520 him talk about reading lies is one of the coolest things I've 716 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,320 ever seen a tour pro do. Like when the ball is on the 717 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,680 ground, predicting what it's going to do once it lands, I 718 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,880 think is one of the coolest things I've ever gotten to see 719 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,720 in golf. Being like, OK, it's sitting a 720 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,200 little bit down, this is Bermuda, It's going to bounce 721 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,480 once release and I'm going to hit this shot that is like mega 722 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,880 sicko stuff. I agree. 723 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:54,880 I agree. OK. 724 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,480 And then but with water though, wedges go farther cuz it the 725 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,560 water you lose friction. So they they spend less, they go 726 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,440 farther. That's the IT flips. 727 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,560 So that's another thing to think about like when gauging it. 728 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,520 What do you what do you guys do when the math comes to like 729 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,320 being in the rough, being in the fairway, being on the T like off 730 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,920 a par 3T goes a little bit farther right I. 731 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,360 Think it depends on the other thing. 732 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,160 It depends on the water of like balls go shorter over water from 733 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,320 what I've understood too. I think it's like a very small 734 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,320 percentage. But again, like these guys are 735 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,240 playing for the margins. But yeah, keeping your golf ball 736 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,760 dry is everything. Like once you get moisture on 737 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,960 there, I know you did that with Ping, like mud balls, moisture, 738 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,640 your club face, all of that, like that. 739 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,840 That's the bare minimum of like, yeah, dude, clean your ball off 740 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,680 and keep it dry. That's I need to be better about 741 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,880 it. I think we all do, you know. 742 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,800 Yeah. OK. 743 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,760 So we've got our wind conversation. 744 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,800 You you're going to tell us I guess the answer. 745 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,280 I guess I'll give you my answer. I don't think that any of us 746 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,720 should probably Jack around with trying to hit a draw or whatever 747 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,000 to be based on the wind. We should just try to hit our 748 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,880 shot and then do it based on the win because I I know that I'm 749 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,719 not going to hit a better shot if I'm trying to hit a draw into 750 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,360 the wing to hit it straight, it's probably not going to go 751 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,280 any closer than if I just play it as is. 752 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,880 I can hear my business partner, I can hear my business partner, 753 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,520 the mathematician Kev, who just like is screaming at me to hit a 754 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,120 freaking fade because and here I am like, dude, I bet I could 755 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,920 sling hook this thing in there right now, you know? 756 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:32,239 So so yes, I mean, it's pretty well established that like guys 757 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,800 who hit the ball with a relative neutral shape, I'm not going to 758 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,679 say one way because I I will die on the hill that I think you 759 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:42,440 need to be able to hit tight dispersion shots. 760 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,199 I'm not saying one way is the way. 761 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:45,960 I'm not saying both ways is the way. 762 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,440 I'm saying the best players in the world have very little curve 763 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,360 on their golf ball. Some guys love to curve the 764 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,679 ball. Bubba is the great example. 765 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,719 He do as I say, not as I do. Good Lord, am I hitting freaking 766 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,200 slingers, partner. Like I have 2:50 the other day. 767 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,600 I'm hooking A5 iron over the water. 768 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,960 I got houses right? And there's a reason that I 769 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,240 don't play their Professional Golf like there's a, there's a 770 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:13,120 reason that I shoot a lot of as, as one of my friends said, 60 771 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,080 fours that turn into 70 threes like it's you. 772 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,920 Know I like that it's not like. That not great, but but we're 773 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,680 trending and as I could hear Kev just like screaming in the 774 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,840 background like 10 yards left of this pin like hit a fade. 775 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,320 I'm like dude this is the one like I can jar this like I. 776 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,640 I see it. I'm an artist. 777 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,720 I'm an I am. Don't let me tell you. 778 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,560 Me paint by numbers. There's Picasso and then there's 779 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,080 the little kids drawings on the refrigerator and, you know, 780 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,120 mines probably somewhere in between there. 781 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,920 I I feel like that's a good visual for people to end on. 782 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,400 Then our, our chat we've got, we've got more things to talk 783 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,800 about here. We'll have to, we'll have to get 784 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,440 on regularly here with you and and do it under a list of fun 785 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,680 things because you, you're always having good conversations 786 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,680 out there. I, I, I just like the Gray area, 787 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,000 right? I love nuance. 788 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,440 So to me, like I love, by the way, I love hardliners. 789 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,920 It's like my favorite thing in the world. 790 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,680 Like if you are a true believer, like if you are a sicko that 791 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,680 says you should only hit the ball one way, like get in my 792 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,120 DMS. Like, if you are a freaking 793 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,800 short game lunatic that says like, there's only one way to do 794 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,440 it, like, hell yeah, get in my DMS, Let's talk. 795 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:30,480 I I just love hearing people who are like mega ultra passionate 796 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,920 about their thing. I guess I've always loved that 797 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,160 because for me, my job is to understand large swaths of data. 798 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,160 Like, if I have a guy who's going to try a crazy putter, I'm 799 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,280 trying it too. If, if you know, you think I 800 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,920 remember one of the cool things last summer was like D0 wedges. 801 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,320 That was like a, a fun short game concept. 802 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,000 Like hell yeah, yeah, dude. Like get in the DMS. 803 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,880 Let's talk about it. Let's get some Q&A's going for 804 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,280 for this pod. I would, I would love to hear. 805 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,160 I like that. OK, we'll get some questions 806 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,760 next time. We'll find some people with some 807 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,040 strong opinions and we'll and we'll talk about it. 808 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,600 But dude, thank you. People should follow you on 809 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,440 Instagram. That's always a good follow. 810 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,840 They can find find what you're working on and watch how much 811 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,200 you're playing golf. Playing a lot of golf these 812 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,600 days. And be jealous of that, I'm 813 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,400 definitely not. And then golf blueprint.com is 814 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,240 that is that the correct URL? That's us. 815 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,640 Yeah, yeah. Golf Blueprint. 816 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,160 We're we're, we always laugh. We're giving away everything. 817 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,840 You're just posting it on Instagram. 818 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,160 And, you know, whatever, whatever I'm researching, 819 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,840 whatever I'm talking about that day, our poor, our poor business 820 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,160 team consisting of my mom and Kev's wife are just like, will 821 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,880 you stop giving away the farm on Instagram every day? 822 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,320 But I'm, you know, just posting stuff. 823 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,040 Love it. All right, people should go 824 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,200 follow along on those then. Thanks Nico. 825 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,520 So stoked. Good to hang out. 826 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:50,320 Talk to you next. Time. 827 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,320 This is the best. See you soon.