1 00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:04,000 Today's episode is brought to you by whoop, whoop is a fitness 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,500 tracker that provides daily insight into your recovery, your 3 00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:09,500 strain. And your sleep, you might have 4 00:00:09,508 --> 00:00:12,800 seen it on the wrist of Rory as he won the Tour Championship or 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,500 other to our players, I had to find out more. 6 00:00:15,500 --> 00:00:19,600 So I reached out got my own band talk to some of the folks at 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,600 whoop and I was blown away and then lucky enough, they wanted 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,500 to support and sponsor the podcast and let more folks know 9 00:00:25,500 --> 00:00:27,900 about it as well. Here are the three things you 10 00:00:27,900 --> 00:00:30,100 need to know. There's three metrics, It's 11 00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:34,200 strain, recovery and sleep. 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That is GSL. 43 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:12,800 Definitely go check out whoop.com. 44 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,100 You are listening to the gulf Science Lab podcast. 45 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:21,600 My name is Corey Walker, and I'm on a mission to figure out how 46 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,100 to improve the way that we learn and get better at golf. 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,300 I've been able to travel all over the world, talking to the 48 00:02:26,308 --> 00:02:29,500 leaders, in the industry from instructors, to researchers to 49 00:02:29,500 --> 00:02:31,700 golfers. Themselves learning how they're 50 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:34,200 getting better at golf and what that means for you. 51 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:43,200 Hey everybody, welcome back to the podcast. 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,600 So, happy to be here with you. Lots of good stuff here, going 53 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,400 around in golf science lab world. 54 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,700 We have some really cool projects going on behind the 55 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:55,600 scenes you might have seen. This thing called practice 56 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,000 Secrets has been like a three-year Journey. 57 00:02:58,300 --> 00:03:00,900 It's coming soon. Just keep your eyes peeled. 58 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,800 I'm sure. You'll you'll hear about that. 59 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,200 They have someone new on the team. 60 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,400 So we've been making Go through quite a bit more video from 61 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,500 trips from this past year. So there's just a ton of good 62 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:13,100 traction that's going on. I'm so excited to be able to 63 00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:16,100 help you all more. Hopefully, on this journey to 64 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,900 better performance and this journey to always be growing. 65 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,500 Today, we are talking with Derick Ingram, great guy coach 66 00:03:25,500 --> 00:03:30,200 up in Canada, and a fascinating conversation, because Canada has 67 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,900 more players than ever on the PGA tour right now. 68 00:03:33,300 --> 00:03:37,300 And he's been involved with the Team for a really long time. 69 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:39,500 And so I wanted to chat about what are some of the things that 70 00:03:39,500 --> 00:03:42,700 he thinks had the biggest impact on that like why are there more 71 00:03:42,700 --> 00:03:44,900 players than ever at this point? So, that is what this 72 00:03:44,900 --> 00:03:47,600 conversation is about. I am so excited, so many good 73 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,700 things going on right now. Have a baby coming here in the 74 00:03:51,700 --> 00:03:54,000 next week or so. So if there's a radio silence, 75 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,200 that's, uh, that's that's where I'm at. 76 00:03:56,700 --> 00:03:59,000 Hopefully, the podcast will continue to might, just take a 77 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,700 week off for that, but we will carry on. 78 00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:04,200 I'm excited that you're listening. 79 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,800 I'm excited. You're Didn't you care about 80 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,100 this mission of all science lab do is be growing to looking 81 00:04:09,100 --> 00:04:13,100 outside the box to find, what's actually working to develop 82 00:04:13,100 --> 00:04:16,500 great golfers. Thank you, Derrick, for taking 83 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:18,500 the time to down at this. Let's get into it. 84 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,700 My name is Derrick Ingram on the head coach for a national 85 00:04:24,700 --> 00:04:27,300 amateur team, and young pro Squad and Canada on the men's 86 00:04:27,300 --> 00:04:30,000 side. Also, coach Cory Connors 87 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,100 Mackenzie use on the PGA tour and huge hockey fan. 88 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,500 Yeah. I've been very fortunate to be 89 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:40,900 involved with sport Canada and golf Canada for 15 plus years. 90 00:04:40,900 --> 00:04:44,900 Now, at one time as your junior team coach and then as our head 91 00:04:44,900 --> 00:04:47,700 coach for a women's side and now back on as head coach firm 92 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:50,300 inside. And so, you know, I travel 93 00:04:50,300 --> 00:04:55,900 extensively around the world really trying to lead and Mentor 94 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:59,600 our best young amateur and professional players in 95 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,300 conjunction with a lot of, you know, important groups in Canada 96 00:05:02,300 --> 00:05:05,000 provincial, golf association's, you know, college coaches in the 97 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,700 US. To our players might be, you 98 00:05:06,700 --> 00:05:09,800 know, playing college at, and obviously, the PTA of Kennedy's 99 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,200 in charge of Education, in Canada. 100 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,200 So, I travel extensively. I also, I'm on the PGA tour a 101 00:05:15,207 --> 00:05:18,500 little bit with Corian Mac, really just trying to be the 102 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:21,600 best coach and leader, and Mentor that I can to help our 103 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,200 players have international results and move up the ladder. 104 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,500 So here's our goal today is you guys have more players than ever 105 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,000 on the PGA tour right now. Now, and our goal is to kind of 106 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:42,400 dig into the program. The system, the process is the 107 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:47,800 coaching the training, like everything that you guys do to 108 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,500 develop players and hopefully get some really cool insights 109 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:54,200 and you know, tidbits that people can go out and Implement 110 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,800 and utilize themselves. So I mean take us through, you 111 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,300 know, a couple players. I know you worked with Corey a 112 00:06:01,308 --> 00:06:04,200 lot like take us through the story of one of your players of 113 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,000 like what It mean to go through the the, you know, the team 114 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,800 Canada program? Well, I would say, you know, 115 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,100 Corey's a really, he's a prime example, entered our junior team 116 00:06:16,300 --> 00:06:19,300 became one of the top and best juniors in Canada. 117 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,500 Actually, one of the best juniors in the world, went to 118 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:27,000 Kent State struggled, originally with that college transition for 119 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,700 a year or two. And then, you know, as part of 120 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:32,400 our amateur team and working with, you know, at Kent State, 121 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,900 he became one of the top amateur players in the world would take 122 00:06:34,900 --> 00:06:40,300 his game anywhere in the world literally and and play in the 123 00:06:40,308 --> 00:06:43,800 biggest events in the world that have either win or have top five 124 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,900 or 10 or 15 finishes. So and then we help Cory with 125 00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:51,000 that transition from amateur golf high-level amateur golf to 126 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,700 professional golf. And and that really involved a 127 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:59,000 year in the PGA tour, Canada, a year and the PGA Tour Latin 128 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,400 America here in the web.com tour. 129 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,200 And then obviously, his rookie year was not was last year. 130 00:07:05,300 --> 00:07:07,900 PGA Tour, and then this unbelievable season this year, 131 00:07:07,900 --> 00:07:11,900 where he happened to be in the top 30 at the tour championships 132 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:16,300 in a PGA Tour winner and that just really nice Ascension up 133 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:19,700 the world, professional rankings and all the time. 134 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:22,600 Cory's had that same structure, a strength and conditioning 135 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:27,700 coach a physiotherapist, our sport psychologist in myself is 136 00:07:27,700 --> 00:07:35,900 as Coke. You know, there really is 137 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:40,000 Courtney, no skipping steps or jumping jumping, you can't 138 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,600 bypass development. I mean, the odd case you get a 139 00:07:43,608 --> 00:07:47,300 player like a Rory, McIlroy Tiger Woods and I'll probably 140 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:49,400 throw them. I'm at wolf and a Victor, 141 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,600 hobbling in and there where they've you know, they've jumped 142 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,500 from college golf to the PGA Tour but their skill level was 143 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:59,000 so high. That you know, it wasn't like 144 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,300 they skip steps. They're just their skill level 145 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,200 grew over time, to be the in Open just unreal and college and 146 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,300 have the same high abilities or skill. 147 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:17,200 Level would be into PJ during for his case, it was a very good 148 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,600 Junior player. But short, you know, as he 149 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,500 matured and really fell in love with working out and taking care 150 00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:25,300 of his body. He started to develop some more 151 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:29,300 speed, you know, and from a mental game standpoint, you 152 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:31,300 know, Cory was a winner in junior golf and I need 153 00:08:31,300 --> 00:08:33,100 developed, then he struggled in college. 154 00:08:33,500 --> 00:08:36,000 Little bit, and I think that was good for him because he had to 155 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,000 break through that ceiling and and learn how to win in college 156 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,900 and win the big amateur events and have success as an amateur 157 00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:44,800 player. And, you know, Corey got a lot 158 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,500 of kicks in the but before he got into the top you know, 30 in 159 00:08:47,500 --> 00:08:49,000 the world. I mean he was in the final group 160 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,800 in the Canadian amateur, I think four years in a row, three years 161 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,900 in a row and never want it. And those were those are tough 162 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:56,900 years, you know? Because that's the one term he 163 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:59,900 really, really wanted to win. But, you know, we use some of 164 00:08:59,900 --> 00:09:04,300 those experiences of failing and not, you know, and maybe He just 165 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:06,200 not getting the result. We wanted to springboard. 166 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,400 Success at the US amateur and he had, you know, very good results 167 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:10,900 of the US amateur quarter-finalists. 168 00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:13,900 Why nearness a finalist the next year, which got him into 169 00:09:13,900 --> 00:09:16,800 Augusta. And then even on the pro level, 170 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,600 I mean Corey never really want to term. 171 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,400 It does a professional played, you know, in Canada after being 172 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,800 you know one of the top amateur players in the world for many 173 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,200 years you know really struggled as a pro his first year and then 174 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:33,200 just found his footing and PGA Tour Latin America. 175 00:09:33,500 --> 00:09:36,700 Never one had a good season in the web.com tour. 176 00:09:36,700 --> 00:09:39,900 He's so consistent and then got his PGA Tour card and maybe a 177 00:09:39,900 --> 00:09:42,300 little early because we didn't win in the web.com tour didn't 178 00:09:42,300 --> 00:09:46,300 win as a pro but, you know, got more comfortable on the PGA tour 179 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:48,700 and and this and they wanted to our schools. 180 00:09:48,700 --> 00:09:50,500 I guess we can call that one pro win. 181 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:53,100 But then this year, got more comfortable with the best 182 00:09:53,100 --> 00:09:55,200 players in the world. And then obviously one in San 183 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,600 Antonio. And, and now is looking for four 184 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:04,200 more. So, you worked with the guys, 185 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,400 the Ford they make it, right? Like, that's a big chunk of your 186 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,300 time and you've seen, you know, the success and those that don't 187 00:10:11,300 --> 00:10:13,500 succeed. You've seen both, that's just 188 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:16,000 naturally. Parts of, you know what happens? 189 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,300 Let's maybe talk a bit about some of maybe the habits or 190 00:10:20,300 --> 00:10:24,600 traits that you see in a guy like Cory in these guys that 191 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,200 have continued to grow, what kind of stands out to you and 192 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,400 you look at the sample size of all these guys that you've 193 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:36,800 worked with as some of the traits of those that have 194 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,000 succeeded and continued to grow. You know, I look at Cory or 195 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,500 Mackenzie versus some players that maybe haven't made it yet. 196 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:48,700 I would say the number one thing that stands out is their habits 197 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:53,500 and routines and their daily life, you know, and I know you 198 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:57,800 guys may want to sexier answer in terms of, so we got the shots 199 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,600 laid down on the way down a little bit better. 200 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,400 We just happen to Rotate jump through impact a little bit 201 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,800 better and that made all the you know, the biggest difference in 202 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,300 the world. And yeah, we work hard on, you 203 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:10,400 know, their technique on and we work hard in the short game 204 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,800 they're putting but quite frankly, according to the number 205 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,300 one reason I would say those guys are where they are is they 206 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:19,700 just have better habits and routines than other players. 207 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:30,700 I'll give you a simple example if I call Corey Potter's at 901 208 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,000 in the evening to talk about his round, I won't get an answer or 209 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,100 text message back There's just it doesn't matter what day of 210 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:40,500 the week at 901, he'll be in bed sleeping. 211 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,600 And, you know, sometimes it's earlier. 212 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,100 So, you know, his sleep habits are like an Olympic Athlete, 213 00:11:48,100 --> 00:11:52,900 their extraordinary, you know, his workout routine like this. 214 00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:56,800 It's layering good day after good day after good on. 215 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,300 Good week, good week on good month, on good week over the 216 00:12:00,300 --> 00:12:02,700 core good month. After the honestly, three, four, 217 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:08,700 five, six, seven, eight years, You know, doing very similar 218 00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:11,300 things that we know are working. It doesn't mean we don't put a 219 00:12:11,308 --> 00:12:13,100 bullet in some, some drills Amina. 220 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:17,500 I'll give you a small example, you know, Cory loves and is 221 00:12:17,500 --> 00:12:19,800 putting drills. You know, he loves to do the 222 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,200 stuff that makes them comfortable. 223 00:12:21,700 --> 00:12:24,400 So he, you know, he'll spend for half an hour, the chalk line 224 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,100 right to left left to right center. 225 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,700 You know, just fine tuning that start line and he'll say, he'll 226 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:32,600 spend Hill spent a lot of time and it is very comfortable at 227 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,000 it. And, you know, I'll be like, you 228 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,600 know, Cory we're not going to get one pot today on the course 229 00:12:39,900 --> 00:12:43,200 with a chalk line. So let's get off this for a 230 00:12:43,208 --> 00:12:45,000 little bit. And yeah, we have to do our 231 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,300 maintenance practice and I think maintenance practices, you know, 232 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:51,200 for start line and you know face control and speed controls 233 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,700 really important, but we also have to make the game our 234 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:56,000 practice very similar to what we're going to have on the golf 235 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,600 course. And so you know, I tried to 236 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,100 cause you know, cause a little way more to be way more 237 00:13:01,100 --> 00:13:03,800 uncomfortable in this practice and do a little bit of that 238 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,100 where you can go home and touch home base for 5 minutes or so. 239 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:08,300 It's what I want to. I want the challenge and I want 240 00:13:08,300 --> 00:13:10,100 to make it really hard. I want to piss you off and 241 00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:12,500 frustrate you and your practice. So that when we get out there 242 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:14,600 and tournaments, we have those same situations. 243 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,100 I'm going to deal with a lot better. 244 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,000 Let's talk about some of the, you know, habits. 245 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,600 You're trying to get the the folks on your young pro Squad, 246 00:13:34,700 --> 00:13:36,900 you know, that they're not quite There yet. 247 00:13:37,100 --> 00:13:38,500 You know what are some of the things. 248 00:13:38,500 --> 00:13:41,700 The key things that you're working on with them to try to 249 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:46,500 get them to level up? Or big and stats and analyzing 250 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:50,300 their game from their stats. We use we are team uses 251 00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:51,900 shot-by-shot from Peter Senators. 252 00:13:52,100 --> 00:13:53,900 There's other great programs out there. 253 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:57,900 And you know, it's highly individual to the player Cordy. 254 00:13:57,900 --> 00:13:59,700 Some guys need to drive the ball better. 255 00:13:59,700 --> 00:14:03,000 Either guys need to iron it better and and other guys, you 256 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,800 know, need to improve their putting your short game. 257 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,000 So it's highly specific to the player, but I think it's really 258 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,900 important to drive the ball in play. 259 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:14,800 That's really key. So, I think I'll use Taylor 260 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,700 Taylor pendrick. That's a really nice example. 261 00:14:16,700 --> 00:14:20,100 Taylor is in the top five and the Order of Merit in the PGA 262 00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:25,700 tour Canada, he's got a ball speed in the 180 to 185 Zone, 263 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,300 you know. Just a standard stock shot is is 264 00:14:29,300 --> 00:14:33,600 182 or 183. And so with Taylor we have to 265 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,500 get, you know we have to work on a second serve. 266 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:39,300 So it might be a 3-wood off the tee or possibly two or three 267 00:14:39,300 --> 00:14:41,400 iron. So, if it's a narrow course or 268 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,100 the rough super long while we might drive, And wedge it on the 269 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:45,800 green. But we also want to get balls in 270 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,700 play, we and we cannot afford to make, you know, that penalty 271 00:14:48,700 --> 00:14:51,100 Strokes. So in Taylor situation, we work 272 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:54,300 a lot on t-ball and obviously we work a lot on Wedge game. 273 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:59,300 The courses on the web.com tour, kft tour and even the PGA tour 274 00:14:59,300 --> 00:15:00,400 Canada. They're short. 275 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,200 And there's a significant amount of wedge plan. 276 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,500 So I'm always either using a track, man, flight scope, 277 00:15:06,500 --> 00:15:11,000 combine, you know, or forsake going down and or putting cones 278 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,100 on the Range and, you know, at 42. 110 yards or sometimes five 279 00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:17,600 yard increments and have the try and play a game, I call getting 280 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,200 it wrong to get it right. Where they're trying to hit. 281 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,100 If it's if it's 80 yard to try to get 179 the next 181 and then 282 00:15:23,100 --> 00:15:25,900 try and fly the number 80, then we move on to the next Target. 283 00:15:25,900 --> 00:15:30,000 So there's a small example of, you know, some of the stuff will 284 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,000 grind away on their wedge player or other people. 285 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,600 So obviously not on PGA Tour. So what do you all use for stats 286 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,100 tracking and what do you have found best for for looking at? 287 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,500 That data. Yeah, we shot by shot website. 288 00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:52,100 Shot-by-shot.com, Peter Sanders is is a developer that there's a 289 00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:56,700 Strokes gained component to that, you know, there's other 290 00:15:56,700 --> 00:16:00,200 excellent stack guys like Lou and and certainly Mark Brody 291 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,000 those guys are unreal, but we've just been in the habit of using 292 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,800 of using shot by shot. And and Peter Sanders has been a 293 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,800 great resource for our players and me as a coach because he 294 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,500 also works with PGA Tour. Layers. 295 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:17,200 And, and so we're, obviously, we're aware of. 296 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,700 We're trying to get better at being themselves. 297 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:22,800 It's really key to be the best version of yourself, but then 298 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,400 we're also in, you know, looking down the road and what's what 299 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,500 kind of skills and habits are going to, what kind of game are 300 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:31,200 we to need to be successful on the PGA tour? 301 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,600 What what's that? Do you find yourself looking at 302 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,000 the most four players? Is there? 303 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,900 Any anyone that stands out to? You is one that you always find 304 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:45,400 yourself checking and talking to guys about Yeah, there's two 305 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,500 that stand out. Mistakes off the tee. 306 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,500 So, penalties straight sideways chip outs, you know, that's 307 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:55,100 number one because it's highly unlikely. 308 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:57,600 A player can be a great player. If he's making mistakes off the 309 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,400 tee, you can be short and still end because every player in the 310 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,200 PGA Tour averages under par from the Fairway. 311 00:17:05,300 --> 00:17:08,700 So if they put in the Fairway, every they're good, they're 312 00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:10,900 really good. All 200 Guys, average is under 313 00:17:10,900 --> 00:17:15,500 par from the Fairway, so obviously being long ski, but if 314 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:18,200 you're long and making mistakes off the tee, it's tough to 315 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:23,000 score. And the second thing I look at 316 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,700 is is putts inside of 10 feet. Specifically really, really that 317 00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:29,900 3 to 10 feet. Because so few people meant 318 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,600 inside a three feet, it's not really a an area that you're 319 00:17:33,608 --> 00:17:36,100 going to gain a ton of strokes but from You know, from 4 feet 320 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:39,400 to 10 feet, you know, Peter would say to me, Derek the 321 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,200 difference between a good Putter and a bad putter is somebody 322 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,700 between 0 and 10 feet. And then the difference between 323 00:17:45,700 --> 00:17:49,400 guys who win on tour is the guys from 11 feet to 20 feet. 324 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:54,000 They make the most you classify as a birdie putt, or, you know, 325 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,900 those makeable birdie, putts that week, but you can't be a 326 00:17:56,900 --> 00:17:59,000 good putter. If you're bad inside of 10 feet, 327 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,800 you can be you can, but you can be. 328 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,900 If you're solid inside of 10 feet, you could be a good 329 00:18:02,900 --> 00:18:05,700 putter, but the guys who win generally are The best ball 330 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:08,500 Strikers who happen to pot. Well, from ten to twenty five or 331 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:11,400 ten to twenty P. So if you're looking at my data 332 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,900 and saw that I struggled in those two areas, what would be 333 00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:20,400 your go-to s for for helping me improve those, those two data 334 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,700 points and he go to drills or concepts or anything that you 335 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:27,100 explain on a regular basis? Yeah. 336 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:29,700 First we take a look at your your, you know, if it's if it's 337 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:31,900 mistakes off the tee, you take a look at your Technique and make 338 00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:36,100 sure that, you know, makes You're moving the ball. 339 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:38,100 If you're, if you're a guy who moves it one way or the other 340 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:41,800 way, consistently we make sure your ball flight is repeatable 341 00:18:43,300 --> 00:18:46,700 and you know, I love, I mean, a simple drill. 342 00:18:46,700 --> 00:18:49,600 I like if a guy I'll put an alignment stick on the target, 343 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,900 line up in front of the, you know, in front of the t-ball, 344 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:55,900 maybe 15 feet and I'll have them if they're working cats will 345 00:18:55,900 --> 00:18:57,500 have them. Start it laughed and and just 346 00:18:57,500 --> 00:19:01,400 work a cut to the Target liner or the opposite with a draw. 347 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:04,500 It may be a situation there being too aggressive off the 348 00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:05,900 team. It might Mm or three Woods or 349 00:19:05,908 --> 00:19:08,300 two irons off the are hybrids, off the tee. 350 00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:11,400 And so there could be something in there technique that really 351 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,700 stands out. It could be there being too 352 00:19:12,700 --> 00:19:15,500 aggressive in some cases maybe they're not being aggressive 353 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:19,900 enough and taking advantage of other of their their distance on 354 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:21,400 the t-bar. On the puting. 355 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,700 I first we're going to make sure they've got the correct phase 356 00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:28,800 control. So some start line maintenance 357 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:34,100 drills with Gates is, you know, it's probably really important 358 00:19:34,100 --> 00:19:37,000 because, honestly, That's that's one of the biggest things inside 359 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,100 of 10 feet. You know, it's start line and 360 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:47,400 then then green reading and we teach all our guys AimPoint some 361 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,900 use it. Some just use the principles to 362 00:19:49,900 --> 00:19:54,000 be a better green reader and then obviously obviously speed 363 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,000 control. So what am I? 364 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,200 What do I, what am I cut? My favorite drills there, I'll 365 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,800 have them, hit putts from three, four, and five feet in a 366 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,600 north-south, East-West. Yeah, so there's 12 pots there. 367 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,800 Got to make 12 12 out of 12 and the greens are good. 368 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:16,000 If the greens are brutal, maybe eleven out of twelve simple. 369 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:21,000 Drill inside of five feet, I do another drill 10:51 or we take 370 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,400 them around the green, I'm with them, I'll pick the pot so it's 371 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,200 never the same break, it's never the same pot off, the never the 372 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,600 same length. So they're always having the 373 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,300 practice reading the green, you know and then trying to make it 374 00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:36,200 pop between 9 and 11 feet. I need to point For make and you 375 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:41,100 get 20 points for a two-putt, no leaving it short and so what's 376 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:43,900 good there? You know, if you can get nine to 377 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:49,100 11 feet, if you can make if you can get 10 points with 10 putts, 378 00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:51,500 it's good. Probably really good. 379 00:20:57,300 --> 00:21:02,300 You know guys like Mark Brody who you know who have like just 380 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:06,600 opened up the can on on stats and Made us aware of where PGA 381 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,900 Tour players are gaining the most amount. 382 00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:12,300 And, you know, you know, it has been great for a coach like 383 00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:17,600 myself and our players along player, I'm not overly concerned 384 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,100 some about Fairways Because unless they're playing the PGA 385 00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:24,000 Tour really rough this significant in some in some 386 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,800 courses. You know, it's t.i. use the word 387 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,800 tea balls in play, you know? And and so if you get the if 388 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,400 they're super long and then get the ball in play, they're going 389 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,600 to have shorter irons in and We wedges and sandwiches from the 390 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,200 rapid still scorable and then when they do hit the Fairway, 391 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,400 it's almost like cheating but for shorter players or you know 392 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,900 medium-length players. You know, they don't have the 393 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:48,700 speed to get it down. Possibly to pitching wedge, nine 394 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:50,500 are in sand wedge. And so now let's say they're 395 00:21:50,500 --> 00:21:54,200 getting, you know, 6-iron 7 there, possibly 5-iron from the 396 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,500 Rockets tough to score from there. 397 00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:57,100 So they really have to get Fairway. 398 00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:59,600 So it really got to get the ball in play because they can if they 399 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,700 have the ball into short stuff, they can be extremely good with 400 00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:07,600 a 65 7-iron. Out of the Fairway and compared 401 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,200 to a guy who's hitting, maybe 9-iron From the Rough and Peter 402 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,800 had the school stat a few years ago. 403 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,500 He shared with me that, you know, you can give up 50 yards 404 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:18,300 off the tee in terms of proximity to the hole on your 405 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:21,200 second shot from the Fairway, versus the rough. 406 00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:29,000 It's not amazing. Like and I was like 50 yards, 407 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,300 Peter and yeah, that was a few years ago, but he'd worked it 408 00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:32,100 out on tour. That. 409 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:34,300 Yeah. So a guy drives, a 50 yards 410 00:22:34,300 --> 00:22:37,300 further in the rough. First, the person who's 50 yards 411 00:22:37,300 --> 00:22:40,800 shorter, they're going to have the exact same roughly 412 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,400 proximity, to the whole on their, on their approach shot. 413 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:50,600 What about working on golf? Swing working on on technique if 414 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,600 there have been any is that you've seen as you've worked 415 00:22:54,600 --> 00:23:00,500 with these guys, you know, and on the teams that you do, Yeah, 416 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,000 any kind of overarching, you know, I don't know, like we use 417 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,200 a lot of body track obviously, so you're using a lot of, you 418 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,700 know, kind of that feedback, or, you know, anything, stand out. 419 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,600 Well, now, I think we just have so much more information that we 420 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,400 used to have. Then we've been we used to 421 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,900 happen. So I'd love, I love Gathering 422 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:24,000 all that information. I'm a guy who loves to get him 423 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,700 on the body, track who, you know, wants to see their track 424 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:28,900 matter, their radar numbers or their, you know, their 425 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:33,600 foresight. I love using I use K vest 3 and 426 00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:37,700 the amm obviously system is brilliant, it was great but you 427 00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:40,700 know use K vast. What else do we use? 428 00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:45,300 I mean it was a bunch of plethora stuff for putting but 429 00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:49,900 you know I found that ground usage has really made a big 430 00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:53,000 difference in some players. I'll use Corey as a quick 431 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:55,800 example of Cory's always had great hands. 432 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,400 He's a bit of a handle polar so he gets a little bit steep 433 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,600 sometimes in transition and They asked to stop and flip but he's 434 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,200 got great hands and great timing, hits it flush every 435 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,600 time. But you know, I noticed that 436 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,800 just from using the body track that he could shift into his 437 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,000 back leg. Early pressure into the back leg 438 00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:18,100 or Trail, I guess I should say early but then the as arms got 439 00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:20,900 to get, you know, it's like the three quarter position or even a 440 00:24:20,908 --> 00:24:23,700 little bit further, he started to get loaded a fair amount on 441 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:26,800 his front leg early in that sometimes earlier in the 442 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,600 backswing. And so, then the downswing you 443 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:35,100 Have to shift back to the trail foot and when hitting and that 444 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,300 really caused a fair amount of, you know, rotation in the 445 00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:42,200 hitting area and, you know, something shot some over hook, 446 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,500 some shots that started way too far, right? 447 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,400 And so, you know, with the body track. 448 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,600 That was one thing that we, you know, we tried to get that 449 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,200 pressure back so that you can get the pressure through and 450 00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:54,400 simple thing like trying to get pressure back and pressure 451 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,100 through pressure back in the backswing and pressure through 452 00:24:57,100 --> 00:24:59,700 in the in the downswing made a gigantic. 453 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,600 Techimpact on his ball hitting like just such a huge difference 454 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,700 and before you know I'd look at that swing in video and I had 455 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:11,400 some pretty good 3D stuff but I honestly didn't I didn't notice 456 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,600 it. So that's a pretty good example 457 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,300 there like he's so much better so much better ball Striker, and 458 00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:21,200 so consistent and hits it so much further with less effort. 459 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,700 And that tool is really useful for us. 460 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,100 you know, one thing that really made a big difference in Canada 461 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:43,600 to it was was having heroes or having somebody that can do it 462 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,700 and you know, a long time ago, Mike, Weir me, one time we had 463 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:51,600 one or two, maybe three players in the PGA Tour and often we for 464 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,200 a lot of years, we had one but having having Heroes who could 465 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,800 they could look up to and say wow you know Mike We Are One the 466 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,500 Got the Masters in 2003. He was a former number three or 467 00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:07,200 four player in the world. He's got eight PGA Tour wins, 468 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:12,600 maybe nine, you know, you know, creating Heroes and having guys 469 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,100 to look up to, that's, that's really important for our 470 00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:16,900 program. Now guys go, hey I can do that 471 00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:20,200 as well and and there's strength in numbers, you know, when you 472 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,400 have one or two players on the PGA tour, you're not going to 473 00:26:23,408 --> 00:26:27,600 get many wins on the PGA tour. But when you have, you know, 474 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,800 six, seven, eight, nine. You know, we always have some 475 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,500 guys playing well so younger players. 476 00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:36,400 Amateur players, Junior players and Cat are always looking at 477 00:26:36,408 --> 00:26:40,400 the PGA Tour, the LPGA Tour in Brooks case and other players on 478 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,000 the LPGA Tour and going. Hey jeez, I can do that as well. 479 00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:45,600 Let's say another thing that's been kind of cool that we've 480 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,600 been able to do is we've had players like Cory and Nick 481 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,500 Taylor and Adam had win. You know, Mackenzie use. 482 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,200 They've come back and they come to our series of training camps 483 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,300 and they train. And practice with the guys. 484 00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:00,400 That's been really cool as well, because it Say ho. 485 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,700 Wow. I mean I can't believe how far 486 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:05,200 away I am this from this guy. I'll never beat him or they can 487 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,200 look and goatees, you know, I'm really not that far away you 488 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,400 know my game we got Stacks up reasonably well you know I can 489 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,700 do this as well given the right time and effort that's obviously 490 00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:17,900 required. And and again, being able to 491 00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:20,400 talk to those guys about what they do and how they, how they 492 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,200 work in their game. I think it's really been useful. 493 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,900 So I would say those are two really nice components for our 494 00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:34,400 program. Hey, thank you so much to Derek 495 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,700 for taking the time to chat with us and go behind the scenes on 496 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:41,200 what he's seen work for the players in Canada and what some 497 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,700 of the biggest changes have been, you know, it's so many 498 00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:46,900 other players are just doing really well making those drums 499 00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:49,500 from tour to tour and succeeding at the highest level. 500 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:51,800 It's awesome to see. And it's great to hear about. 501 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,900 If you enjoyed this the unedited version of this episode will be 502 00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:58,100 coming out to, you can listen to our whole conversation. 503 00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:03,200 This is probably about Half half to a couple thirds of the 504 00:28:03,208 --> 00:28:04,400 conversation. 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