1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,240 Should you have two drivers in your golf bag? 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,240 A three wood? A mini driver. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:06,800 There's a lot of questions it seems like. 4 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,280 A lot of people. Are doing a lot of different 5 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,400 stuff and today we're going to dive into it. 6 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:14,240 You are listening to the golf well podcast. 7 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,720 My name is Cory Walker. I am your host and this is a 8 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,440 show all about getting better at golf. 9 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,800 It's diving into all the strange tactics, habits, performance, 10 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,920 gear, tech, all that stuff that helps us get better at the game. 11 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,360 This is our first Golf Well podcast. 12 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:29,840 I know that might be weird because you're saying like, I 13 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,479 think I've heard you before. Well, it used to be called Golf 14 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,200 Science Lab. I was looking back as we started 15 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,640 this 10 years ago in 2015. Golf Science Lab. 16 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,400 That's pretty nuts. And this is our first episode of 17 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,200 Golf Well. We rebranded in January 2025 18 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,360 here. And yeah, we're back and I 19 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:48,400 wanted to have some conversations on the podcast 20 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,640 here. And so we're we're firing it 21 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,920 back up because there's some some good ideas have been having 22 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,800 great conversations. There's like, man, I got to 23 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,240 share some of this with folks. So thank you guys for listening. 24 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,160 Thank you for commenting. I saw some of the comments of 25 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,360 like, hey, where's the podcast? So well, here it is. 26 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,720 You you found it. So what's the plan going 27 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:08,920 forward? Well, I'm going. 28 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,480 To hop on here. When something like honestly 29 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,360 really interesting happened. So hopefully at least once a 30 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,040 month, twice a month, kind of join y'all here with an 31 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,360 interesting guest to talk through a topic. 32 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,640 And today we were talking with Marty Gertz and he is the VP of 33 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,560 fitting and performance of Ping. And I saw his tweet from Neil 34 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,160 Shipley talking about he how he has two drivers in the bag. 35 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,120 And it was it was pretty interesting. 36 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,960 And so I reached, I was like, man, you got to tell me what? 37 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:35,440 You guys were doing? Like how are you thinking about 38 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,640 this? And and like should I put 2 39 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,880 drivers in my golf bag? Honestly, that was a question 40 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,080 and he answered all those and more. 41 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,000 Great conversation. Appreciate his time. 42 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,520 Hopping on. Yeah, let's get back into our 43 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,960 our first. Golf Ball podcast, it's pretty 44 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,520 cool. All right, Marty. 45 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,920 So we are having a chat on Twitter about Mini Driver 46 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,720 because Neil Shipley had this really great little insight 47 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,560 about how he has this cut down driver that only carries 280. 48 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,080 His normal driver carries 300. That's kind of an interesting 49 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,120 thing. And and so I wanted to hear 50 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,640 like, what are you guys building over over there and like, what 51 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:20,080 are some of these clubs that tour pros are asking for from 52 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,440 you? Yeah, no, it's, it's been fun. 53 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,920 We've seen cadabbling of this over like, let's call it the 54 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:30,480 last 10 years, you know, whether it's Phillip Augusta, but maybe 55 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,360 it's sort of clouded with, well, he needs to draw a club in a 56 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,680 slice club, you know. But then we've seen other 57 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,960 players do it, like Ben Silverman, PJ Tour player. 58 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:44,360 He's he's played our 12° G 410 is his second driver for a long 59 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,280 time. Nobody knows about it. 60 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,040 You know, it's like not in the news in the media. 61 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,240 Well, then Fast forward today, we got folks like what Fee now 62 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,760 did at the Masters last year, a couple years ago, you got Neil 63 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,160 Shipley doing it. We got Preston Summerhays 64 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,480 playing like a 12° driver. And what these guys are kind of 65 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,080 realizing, Cordy, is that if you hit the ball far, if you're 66 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,200 playing big golf courses, tour golf courses, you just really 67 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,160 don't need your 3 foot off the ground that much. 68 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:17,280 Or is a percentage of like your contribution to your score like 69 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,320 hitting the high three would into a par 5 and make an eagle? 70 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,040 Like those days are kind of gone. 71 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,280 Like it's just not that important. 72 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,120 It's so rare of a shot that and then as far as these guys are 73 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,360 hitting the ball now, the Neil Shipley's like hitting the 74 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:36,000 fairway and optimizing that tee shot for accuracy is a premium, 75 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,280 right? And like the moment of inertia 76 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,200 you get in, let's say a 12 degree G440 Max driver is 77 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,320 literally three to five times more than a three would. 78 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,520 And so like there your, your ability to, to improve your like 79 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,600 left, right dispersion, your cone, however you want to 80 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,920 measure it can go up like you, you could reduce your left right 81 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,040 dispersion by 40 to 60%. We've seen in our testing and 82 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,920 that's what these guys are doing on on the tour level. 83 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,160 To walk me through it. So I would have my normal driver 84 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,000 that's maxed out for distance and dispersion and whatever. 85 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,120 I don't know what the guys are playing out, but 45 1/2 or 86 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,399 something like that, right? And then they're going to get 87 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:24,640 another, another driver, more loft in the head, much shorter 88 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:29,720 shaft and then less club at speed, more spin kind of deal. 89 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,240 Is that OK? Yeah. 90 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,520 So you really what we're doing from the build and fitting 91 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,320 standpoint is you're using a the loft and we use our 12° you 92 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:43,880 know, usually are you know is our G430 now G440 Max 12° head 93 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,480 is our go to head. Then we can use our sleeve to 94 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,440 kind of dial in the loft and that head has a true loft at the 95 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,880 middle of like 13 1/2 degrees. So it's it says 12 on the sole, 96 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,320 but it's really in the in the face center it's 13 1/2 degrees. 97 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,840 So that adds spin, adds a lot of loft as a lot of control 98 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:05,280 obviously. Then we use the shaft length to 99 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,440 kind of get it to go the distance you need it to. 100 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:12,680 So we built these as short as like 42 inches and up to like 43 101 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,400 1/2. The sweet spot is really like 43 102 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,240 inches. If you take your 3 wood shaft, 103 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,240 plug it in there, obviously we got to adjust the head weight, 104 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,600 swing weight. It'll be about 43 1/4 inches and 105 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,120 that's about what I play mine like. 106 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,840 I just plugged a three wood shaft in there. 107 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,560 And it doesn't just balloon like it just doesn't go you you're 108 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,920 fitting it so it goes lower. It launches low, you know, cuz 109 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,920 it's like, OK, most of the guys when you're hitting off the tee, 110 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,840 you quarter, you tee it low obviously. 111 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,920 So you know those folks out there, you know the face has 112 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,040 curvature on it left to right. That's called the bulge. 113 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,480 Then you got the top bottom curvature called the roll. 114 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,880 And when you tee it low or hit off the ground, like where the 115 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,760 loft of where you hit it is much lower than that 13 five S, most 116 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,480 folks when they hit it off the tee, you're going to tee it 117 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,160 pretty low. I mean Arizona Cordy like 118 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,440 Bermuda in the summer. I just like little miniature 119 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,920 Laura Davies type thing. You know, you can just put a 120 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,480 little tough to grass and just chip it, chip it off the ground 121 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,720 and have tons of control. So where you're hitting it has 122 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,080 less locked. So it's it's it's lower 123 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,080 launching usually based on T height and it's short. 124 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,040 So the shorter you go, the more the handles going to be the 125 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,560 forward at impact, right? Like the like, I don't know, a 126 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,640 wedge, you know what I mean? You got tons of shafling. 127 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,400 So you're getting more shafling to launch it lower and use that 128 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,720 shaft length to control the ball speed and get your what you're 129 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,440 optimizing for is like a certain distance, you know, obviously. 130 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,880 And then how can I maximize accuracy at that? 131 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,560 Whatever it is, Shipley, it's 280 for me. 132 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,880 It's like 275, you know, so it's like a it's a distance like I 133 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,960 needed to go, go this number. And then how can I minimize the 134 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,600 dispersion for a club for for a shot that goes 270 to 280 and 135 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,400 using literally a driver head this 460 CCS and near somewhere 136 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:03,000 in the ballpark of 10,000 Moi combined is is just astonishing 137 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,360 how straight you can hit it. Interesting. 138 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,840 OK. And and so you're aiming to hit 139 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:12,040 it on the lower part of of the driver to keep the to keep it 140 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,760 lower then. Generally speaking, I mean, I 141 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,560 think different that's a different players can have 142 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,840 different T height strategies like Cordy. 143 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,080 I'll give an example of myself. I've been using this build for 144 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,360 like 2 years now and it's really fun in Arizona golf, like desert 145 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,080 golf. But let's say I have like a 146 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:32,200 drivable par 4 that's, you know, maybe it's 300 and a little 147 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,880 downwind or may, you know, and you maybe you want to fly it, 148 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,400 you know, missing short of the green or front bunk or 149 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,760 something's good. I'll tee it up and send it, 150 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,080 launch it high, tip back a little bit more like, you know, 151 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,000 do all those things and launch it, you know, whatever, 14 to 152 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,120 16°. But my stock one, the Fairway 153 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,520 Finder, you can tee it low and kind of chip it out there. 154 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,440 Got it. So you actually have a lot of 155 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,000 diversity in the from that perspective. 156 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,000 So why wait? Are you putting us in the bag 157 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,720 with your normal driver? Like do you have both in the bag 158 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:03,560 100? Percent. 159 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,320 You do OK, Yeah, got it. Do most guys or how do? 160 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,200 How are most people doing it? Yeah, totally. 161 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,120 And, and, and this is the nuanced insight and I think what 162 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,440 we're doing so much cool research here at the proving 163 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,480 grounds and like mining data, a big thing, Cordy, that we're 164 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,960 trying to do is be like, how are people playing golf on the golf 165 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,720 course? And how can we make club 166 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,320 fitting? And like, how do you optimize 167 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,800 the 14 clubs in your bag is going to be very different for 168 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,559 everybody. So the big insight with this, 169 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,320 you know, we call it, we like to call it the thriver 3 wood 170 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:40,159 driver or macro driver, is that if you hit the ball far, when I 171 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:43,440 say far, like 280 or more, you're going to you're going to 172 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,360 hit your lowest lofted fairway wood or club, whatever it is in 173 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,400 this case, going to be a driver off the tee a majority of the 174 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,880 time. And we have the sweet chart. 175 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,200 I think you saw it on that infographic, like if you hit the 176 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,680 ball 300 yards, you're going to hit your three would off the 177 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:02,560 ground 80% of the time on average. 178 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,200 And that's a conglomeration of big data from our Arcos 179 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,280 partnership that looks like like the percentage of the time you 180 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:10,560 hit off the ground versus the turf. 181 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,040 Obviously, Courtney, there's going to be exceptions. 182 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,880 If you play certain golf course where like all the par fives 183 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,480 you're ripping 3 would in for your second shot to this ratio 184 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,720 is going to change. But that's kind of a a high 185 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,440 level finding. So that's why this really 186 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:28,000 primarily is a club for the fast swing speed players because the 187 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,240 three would is off the ground is just proportionally such a not 188 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,080 an important shot overall on your scoring from a strokes game 189 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,160 scoring standpoint. But on the flip side, Cordy, 190 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,440 let's say you drive the ball 200 yards, you're actually it's 191 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,720 going to it's going to teeter totter. 192 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,040 We're now hitting it off the ground. 193 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,440 You're going to hit this lowest off to Fairwood off the ground 194 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,280 80% of the time in, maybe never hit it off the tee, and then the 195 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,080 50 spot is right at 250 yards. You're going to hit off the 196 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,280 ground in the tee with equal priority. 197 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,800 And this is driving how we're designing the fairway woods, how 198 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,560 we test them, how we optimize them, how we fit them. 199 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,920 Like quite often you go in as a better player and they're like, 200 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,560 OK, let's hit 3 woods and you're just trying to roast them off 201 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:14,720 the deck. Well, you might rarely need that 202 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,800 shot. And then the, the high 203 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,000 handicappers like, oh, let me tee this up for you. 204 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,440 You're having a hard time hit off the ground. 205 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:24,040 Well, actually, no, you need to go to our new 4 wood or A5 wood 206 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,480 or something like that to hit it off the ground successfully. 207 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,320 So we're using big data to inform our design decisions and 208 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,440 then our club fitting protocols. This is just a perfect example 209 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:34,480 of that. Crazy. 210 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,720 OK, so the new pitch is I guess that you're telling most players 211 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,360 that you hit over 280 get 2 drivers then? 212 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,400 I like that idea. And you hit it under, you hit it 213 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,920 220. What would be the tip? 214 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,480 Is it the 55th? I mean 225, somebody has to 215 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,240 drive 225, Then yes, let's get a four wood or three wood. 216 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,080 Yeah, I like, I like, hey, if you're in the if you're around, 217 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:01,280 if you if you drive it 225 or less your your number one 218 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,320 priority with your fairway wood. And this could be either our 219 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,960 three wood four we launched A4 wood this year. 220 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,160 This date is all kind of part of our decision to bring a forward 221 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,680 into our G440 family Cordy or like 5 wood, just a lot of great 222 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:17,680 fitting options. Prioritize hitting that ball off 223 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:19,600 the ground, right? You're going to need that into 224 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,200 long par fours. You're going to need, you know 225 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,760 long for you. You're going to need that into 226 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,840 par fives quite a bit. Like most of the time. 227 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,480 Just assume like pretty much every time you're hitting that 228 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,360 ball off the ground. And if you're 250, if you're 250 229 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,440 player, so let's say like ±25 yards. 230 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:40,360 If you're 225 to 275, give equal priority to hitting off the 231 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,760 ground, off the tee. Even where you're going in for a 232 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,400 fitting, you're fortunate enough to get. 233 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,960 Go to the outdoor fitting environment. 234 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,800 Hit half of your shots off the tee, half of them off the 235 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,480 ground. Consider both of the performance 236 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,520 impacts of both of those with equal weight. 237 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,680 Then if you're a fast swing speed player, obviously consider 238 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:59,640 your golf course. If you play one course, you're 239 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,920 always now off the ground. Put a little more priority to 240 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:08,040 hit off the ground, but if not, try this 12° driver build. 241 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,200 Plug a fairywood shaft in there and see if you like it. 242 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,840 We've seen incredible results. Got it. 243 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,840 Is it pretty automatic that if you if you cut it down that 244 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,440 short and go with that loft that it goes about 20-30 yards 245 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,840 shorter? Is that pretty much standard for 246 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,840 most people? Yeah, Yeah, Let's say you hit 247 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,440 your driver. I should, you know, Shipley's a 248 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,840 good example. I'd be another good example. 249 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,880 My colleague here, Jim Canals, came straight off the tour, put 250 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,920 one in the bag and Monday then to San Diego this year, using 251 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,200 the thriver, hitting the thriver off the tee a few times. 252 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,000 Yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be about for somebody 253 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,000 who drives it 300 yards, about 25 yards shorter, you know, 2025 254 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,960 yards shorter. And then you just have a lot of 255 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,320 flexibility. You can tee it high and draw it 256 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,520 if you want to. You could tee it low and fade 257 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:53,960 it. There's some interesting things 258 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,800 that happened with the gear effect that if you hit low on 259 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,280 the face, it'll impart a little bit of cut spin. 260 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:00,960 There's a there's a big advantage, yeah. 261 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,320 You actually have a little bit more versatility and shot 262 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,240 shaping with this club as well. Got it, got it. 263 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,080 I I think for me it makes the most sense because yeah, I I 264 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,000 never had a A3 wood into. I mean, I resonate with that 265 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,920 just from anecdotally. Like I'll I'll bash a hybrid 266 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,560 more likely than hit a three wood up next to a green just 267 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:21,240 because I want the control because of the three wood it 268 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,160 feels like has such a bigger dispersion than hitting a 269 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:24,880 hybrid. Into a. 270 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,200 Into a. Par 5, so that makes sense. 271 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,720 And then when I have like last year, I I got back into 272 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,000 tournament golf a bit and I think one of the first 273 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,760 qualifiers I played of the year, it was a three what off the 274 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,640 second tee box just because you needed to be under 280 or 275 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,680 something like that, right. So, you know, I step up there 276 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,000 and I had AI don't remember what club I had at the time, but I 277 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,400 just I topped it right into the lake right in front of me and it 278 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,400 was it was wonderful. It was a great way to start the 279 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,520 day and I mean I didn't hit that club the rest of the year. 280 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,200 It was like this is I'm done. I'm never doing that again. 281 00:13:56,680 --> 00:14:00,040 Cordy, I kind of view it as like, let's say you're a pretty 282 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,160 good player like yourself or myself, you can kind of folks 283 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,360 get kind of the heebie jeebies with maybe putting. 284 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,400 They get the heebie jeebies with shipping. 285 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,480 And then for the but the for the better player, sometimes you can 286 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,800 get a little fragile on your 3 foot off the tee. 287 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,200 Like for me, I played in like my very first major championship, I 288 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,280 played in Atlanta Athletic Club. It's like a it's 100%. 289 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,360 So you need a 27280 shot dog legs right to the left. 290 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:27,800 I cannot draw a drive around there. 291 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,000 I'm so nervous and I'm in my first tee shots with this with 292 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:38,400 like, you know, our our G4 is G 10 fairway wood or something at 293 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,240 the time is like pretty small and compact. 294 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,360 And I was so nervous and I did the same thing. 295 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,320 I got paired with Victor Hovlin and when I qualified for the 296 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,640 waste management a few years ago in the first tee shots like you 297 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,120 normally just hit like a driving iron or hybrid down there and 298 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,600 I'm so nervous. I didn't have the thriver yet. 299 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,760 I teed my regular big driver down is not the right shot, but 300 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,200 I'm like so nervous. I just had to do it just to chip 301 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,640 it down there. And nowadays like I'll get just 302 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,240 as nervous on the first tee. I that's always like kind of my 303 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,920 thing and I always like fear that first tee shot if it's not 304 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,160 a driver. And now if you play this club 305 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,720 like it's literally automatic, you can go down there, you can 306 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,520 get steep on it, you can take a divot if you want. 307 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:18,760 That ball's going down the fairway. 308 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,920 That's so funny. I guess it's a common thing. 309 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,640 I've just never talked about this with anybody. 310 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,600 The fears of yeah, that there's nothing worse than a first tee 311 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,640 shot 3 would or like. Oh. 312 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,400 Yeah, you nailed it. You nailed it. 313 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,000 It's like you got to go like I need to go to therapy over this 314 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,160 and it's dead. I just like I I consider this 315 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,680 club like a anti anxiety club. OK, got it. 316 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,320 What? So why, I mean, as mini driver 317 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,120 ever cross your guys's like development path like, hey, we 318 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,960 should we should build a a mini drivers. 319 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,320 They're just like, no, we like this strategy of just going 320 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:52,960 normal driver. Yeah. 321 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,040 Yeah, I mean, it's somewhere always researching. 322 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,880 It's like how much there there's a trade off to how easy it is to 323 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,280 hit off the ground like these you do, you are trading that off 324 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,200 like you can't get the big high cut floaty 1 overlake into a par 325 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,120 5. But it's very functional off the 326 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,200 ground. Like you see good players 327 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,880 hitting regular driver off the regular DoD's like this thing is 328 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,840 very functional. I've made eagles hitting this 329 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,840 thing from from 280 on a par 5 and things of that nature. 330 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,440 So it's always something we're researching, but I think we've 331 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,520 seen these players like if you're going to go in on mini 332 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,400 driver, thriver, 2 wood, whatever second driver club in 333 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,560 your bag, why not just go macro like the the moment of inertia 334 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,920 when we've measured some of like the mini drivers fairy woods out 335 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,120 there again, they're they're like, you know, half what they 336 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,840 would be is if you just went all the way to the big 1. 337 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,080 So it's like we've seen really good success with it, but some 338 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,440 somewhere, you know, continue to study and test. 339 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,920 But I think this category is kind of like here to stay for 340 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,240 the for the faster swings speed player. 341 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,280 You'll see players convert into this and never go back to a 342 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,160 three wood right? Have you had players just like 343 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,599 ditch the long driver and just. Hit this one too. 344 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:06,920 And just stick with this. You know what, there's an 345 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,480 interesting like Thristan Lawrence is one of those, 346 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,119 Tristan Lawrence, He's one of those that plays his driver at 347 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,359 like 43 1/2. Okay, he's an oddball. 348 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,920 He is an oddball today where he plays his regular driver like at 349 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,800 that length and obviously he did good, almost won the Open 350 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,079 Championship last year playing it in the wind and just a 351 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:28,680 totally crafty player, super shot maker. 352 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,720 He's like the only one that plays like this short of a 353 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,280 driver as his gamer driver. Like we actually see the 354 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:40,240 opposite trend from the rest of our tour players at 45 and a 355 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,040 half a lot at 46. Then things things of that 356 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,880 nature. I think if you play these two 357 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:50,360 you can you can re optimize your regular driver to be a little 358 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:53,520 bit longer asked for longer distance. 359 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,520 I mean, I find it hard. Went down and hung out John 360 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,000 Sinclair and and did an awesome fitting with him and came home 361 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,160 with a 45 1/2 and a 46 and he was really trying to convince me 362 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,120 that I needed the 45 1/2 because I hit it more solidly. 363 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,640 But you just can't take those extra two or three mile an hour 364 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,280 out of my bag when I put the 40. You're not going to convince me 365 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,040 that I need the shorter one that goes slower. 366 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,760 Like I don't know how, I don't know how to get over that hump. 367 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,960 But it's like it's, it's a real difference, like a meaningful 368 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,400 difference going to 46 and just trying to get as fast as you can 369 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,720 with with that club. Yeah, totally Cordy. 370 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,520 We, we actually built a tool we have, we have this great fitting 371 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,880 tool called Pink Copilot and we built this for all of our 372 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,480 fitters out there. I mean, we have 4000 fitting 373 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,360 accounts using this copilot tool. 374 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:43,640 And one of the little widgets in there is that you can do a 375 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:48,040 strokes game comparison. Let's say you're, you could 376 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,800 collect data on your own launch monitor at home and you feed in 377 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,960 like the the distance gain between those 245 1/2 and 46. 378 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,240 And then you punch in your like offline standard deviation from 379 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,000 track man. Or if you got a quad, it's like 380 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,960 the side number in there and the plus or minus standard deviation 381 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,560 and it's just you're just putting in the cute for left, 382 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,640 right dispersion. And then you plug in your 383 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,000 handicap because the importance of distance to accuracy is 384 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,960 contextual to your skill level, your handicap, because then 385 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,000 strokes can compounds on the way into the green and then also 386 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,760 your course difficulty, right. So if you plan a tight course, 387 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,800 very penalizing out of bounds water or whatever, we actually 388 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,480 you could yeah, we have a little slider in there. 389 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,560 You can pick your golf course difficulty and you run a a 390 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,120 computation rooted in strokes gained. 391 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:39,080 Like all of Mark Brodie's calculations are right in there 392 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:46,080 to say, OK, maybe you hit it Cordy like 10 yards for further 393 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,480 with the 46, but your dispersion is like 2 yards wider. 394 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,440 Would that be a positive strokes gain or not? 395 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,800 And the answer is yes. For a better player, the ratio 396 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,040 is 2 to 1. So if you gain 10 yards, as long 397 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,760 as you don't increase your dispersion by more than five, 398 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,480 that is a positive strokes gain. And this is the calculus that 399 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,560 the tour players I think are naturally they've, they've 400 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,960 naturally iterated their way to we have this compute, they can 401 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,840 run it. Probably guys like Bryce have 402 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,920 literally run this, you know, if folks like Chris Como. 403 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:23,680 So we, we can, we can run the numbers, but we can also do this 404 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,480 in a fitting protocol to help inform that that that decision 405 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,800 should you go longer or shorter in your, in your fitting. 406 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,280 So it's it's really cool to be fitting using strokes gain 407 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,880 analytics. Got it. 408 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,400 So if my so the two to one rule, if my normal driver is 70 yard 409 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,200 wide dispersion, yes, I can gain. 410 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,320 If I can gain 10 more yards but and go to 75 yards, then that's 411 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,960 a that's an acceptable trade off. 412 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,800 Yes, yes, absolutely. And the ratio of distance to 413 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,680 accuracy, if you're a less skilled golfer that hits it 414 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,960 shorter, it's even more of a premium to distance and 415 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,200 accuracy. That ratio is 3 to 1. 416 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,120 So let's say you're A10 handicapper above that drives it 417 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,920 shorter than 250 yards. That calculus is then three to 418 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,520 1, you know, so it's a good kind of heuristic 2 to one for like 419 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,080 the fast swing speed, better players, 3 to one for 250 and 420 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,280 below, higher handicappers. Or, you know, you use our pink 421 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,520 Copilot tool that does all the nuance computation down to the 422 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,840 nearest, you know, one 100th of a strokes game point, you know. 423 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:30,760 I'm going to have to do that. That's great. 424 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,880 I love that. So the thriver really has to be 425 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,000 more accurate then if you're taking 20 or 25 yards off your 426 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,280 normal driver, you got to get 10 yards tighter in your 427 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,600 dispersion. Yes. 428 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,160 That sounds hard. That sounds challenging. 429 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,640 Yes, the well, what should the the way to think about the the 430 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,400 the the thriver is to compare it to a three wood, right. 431 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:54,720 You want to compare it to a three wood. 432 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,440 So compared to a three wood, our testing is you'll hit it at 433 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,680 least 40% tighter dispersion. I mean that is like gigantic. 434 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,800 So if we plug those numbers, I think I did this. 435 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,480 Let me see if I can pull up our our copilot thing. 436 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,720 Yes, you plug those numbers into our strokes game calculator, 437 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:19,200 like let's say both of them core to go exactly 270 and you 438 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:24,760 tighten your dispersion by 40%, you're going to gain 1.8 strokes 439 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:29,240 gained driving. Just do that tighter dispersion, 440 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,440 right. Does that make does that make 441 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:31,400 sense? Yeah, yeah. 442 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,160 I'll send you a little graphic on that from our from our 443 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,640 strokes gain calculator. OK. 444 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,720 And that's what you're saying when people hit the hit the 445 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,400 thriver versus the three win then? 446 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,760 Yeah, like, yeah, off the tee, both on course analytics 447 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,720 captured from on course play as well as testing here with player 448 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,240 testing at the Pink Proving Grounds. 449 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,920 We do a nice job of kind of our protocol that we do the testing. 450 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,560 You know, we have folks aimed between a couple poles out there 451 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,280 that are 20 yards wide. We game a fire, we score it. 452 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,480 We have a, you know, we put a little heat on them and pressure 453 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,880 on them. We have a little leaderboard. 454 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,040 Players really focus in, they cycle between clubs, make sure 455 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,960 they kind of cleanse their palate, not getting the groove 456 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,240 from block prop, etcetera. Got it, got it. 457 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,200 I guess the last thing then would be building like one of 458 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,320 these things we talked about earlier, but like, yeah, we're 459 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,320 cutting down to like a I've got your graph pulled up here. 460 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,040 But like a 5 wood shaft then is what you're what you're doing 461 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,440 pretty? Much, Yeah, either 3 wood or 462 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,280 five wood shaft. I mean, again, it kind of just 463 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,440 depends on like what distance you're trying to optimize for. 464 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,880 I think as a default, if you plug a three wood shaft in 465 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,160 there, that's a good way to go. Then you have to get the head 466 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,960 weight up. So if somebody orders it from us 467 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,720 ping directly, we build it to the perfect head weight through, 468 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,200 you know, a combination of added weight to the head and our CG 469 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,800 shifter. We can hit AD 3D four swing 470 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,520 weight just fine. You know, you can use the I 471 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,320 think we get questions around do I need to tip the shaft more and 472 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,160 things of that nature. I think just generally just as a 473 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,440 fairway wood shaft, a three wood shaft, maybe 10 grams heavier 474 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,960 than your in your driver shaft is you can just think of the 475 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,200 shaft fitting the same as you would a three. 476 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,680 Would some folks go a little flatter and they use our 477 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,920 trajectory tuning sleeve like I play it in the our flat dot 478 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,840 position with just three degrees flatter. 479 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,280 That just keeps a little more cut bias for me. 480 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,760 And then I be I put the seat big old honkin CG shifter in the 481 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,600 back, which helps tune the left right bias. 482 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,200 It's nice to have that option because some players want to 483 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,160 have this club be a little more draw bias. 484 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,040 I'm kind of uses more a little more cut bias And then if I want 485 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,480 to draw an IT high. So we have a lot of good fitting 486 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,080 options on that front. But three wood shaft D3D4 swing 487 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,120 weight if you're kind of traditional swing weight player. 488 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,560 And yeah, it's, it's, it's a fun, it's a super fun build. 489 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,920 How far off? So if someone wants to go play 490 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,400 around at this like how far off is the swing weight going to be 491 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,120 if I just go literally take my 3 wood shaft? 492 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,640 It's going to be a lot if you're, if you want to tinker 493 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,360 with it at home or get it, you got an extra 12° head around, 494 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,480 you have to just load it up with some lead tape. 495 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,440 You know, you know, I'm probably 1215 grams of lead tape 496 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,280 somewhere in that ballpark. Got it. 497 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,880 So if someone wants to, wants to mess around with it, just just 498 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,720 have your lead tape on hand and yeah. 499 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,760 Exactly, exactly. But you know, if you want build 500 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,080 an optimize or order an optimize one from us, we'll build it 501 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,160 perfectly. Is this an option? 502 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,040 Like you guys have this on the site where you can. 503 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,600 Yeah, it's like a little secret menu option. 504 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,320 You know, it's like it's like going to in and out and getting 505 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,280 an animal style. We could definitely do it. 506 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,200 We got a great build spec little graphic you have is actually 507 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,440 kind of our guide to fitters for how to order it, what to use, 508 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,960 what to consider why, why to do it. 509 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,400 So we're we're definitely seeing a little uptick in this. 510 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,960 Yeah. You know, it is a little nichy 511 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,600 because it in my opinion, because it is kind of faster, 512 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,840 better players only. But again, I I think it's a 513 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,240 category. It's going to be here to stay. 514 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,640 Sorry, one more nerd nerdy question here. 515 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,960 If we're, if we're trying to fit fit for this, are we looking for 516 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:02,320 a higher spin rate than normal and like a higher launch than 517 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,920 normal or what? What are we looking for? 518 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,880 Yeah, again, I think it's very, very dependent according on T 519 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,880 height and and and play, you got a lot of options. 520 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,760 You can go really high on the T height like your regular driver 521 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,160 if you T it medium or high or you can go super low. 522 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,000 So my preference and I think what we've seen most of the tour 523 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,960 guys do is T it kind of low to medium low and get their attack 524 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,240 angle more down. And as your attack goes down, 525 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,040 your spin goes up. So so like that's a big thing, 526 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,800 like the players, you're going to get more down on it and when 527 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,240 you get more down, your spins going to go up. 528 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,120 So I think when you think about spin rate, you want to keep this 529 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:40,560 thing like over 3000 depend on your attack angle. 530 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:47,040 So if you tee it low and you hit more down, it's it's actually a 531 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,440 good thing to have your spin like, you know, between 3 three 532 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,000 thousand 3500 for like a stock one. 533 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,480 And then obviously if you tee it higher, hit a little higher in 534 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,400 the face, maybe level out your tacking a little bit, you can 535 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,040 take spin off. Got it, got it. 536 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,200 Why the 12° head? Is that just cuz then you can 537 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,480 have a more down attack angle on it? 538 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,920 Is that why? Yeah, Just to get it to go short 539 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,320 enough. OK, We have all kinds of really 540 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,320 cool tools to help find the perfect launch and spin for a 541 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,560 driver fitting. And a bunch of our fitters and 542 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,240 customers, Cordy were like, well, I need a optimizer for 543 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,600 irons. And the question was like, well, 544 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,000 what are you trying to do on your irons? 545 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,200 And if it's maximized distance, you end up just working your way 546 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,520 to our driver chart, which is like gives you for angle of 547 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,400 attack and ball speed. Like it gives you the perfect 548 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,720 launch and spin to find. Then you could kind of tune 549 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,440 based on golf ball on top of that. 550 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,240 And and we like doing that here a ping as well. 551 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,640 But yeah, it's, it's, it's because you're trying to hit a 552 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,280 certain number in that 12° loft. Again, the actual loft down, 553 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,760 it's 13 five is a very nice sweet spot to kind of hit your 554 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,120 distance number. Got it, got it. 555 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,040 I think we've I think we've got all the details on on a thriver 556 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,400 now. I I think that everyone is fully 557 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,560 equipped at this point to either decide, yes, I absolutely need 558 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,880 one to go order one right now or, or decide. 559 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,200 I don't know what the other option is to, you know, maybe 560 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,320 potentially top a three it off the tee the next time they go 561 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,920 play. Yeah, I was. 562 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,400 I think it's just like it's one of those things that I think 563 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,920 better players like we talked about Cordy, like your 564 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,480 experience or mine, it's like it's kind of in your either your 565 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,040 conscience or maybe in your subconscious, you know, it's 566 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,000 like one of those things that like hindsight's 2020 like, Oh 567 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,600 yeah, I don't ever hit this off the ground. 568 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,200 Oh yeah, I do get really nervy always with my with my three 569 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,360 wood, you know what I mean? And it can make a really big 570 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,480 difference to your scoring in Arizona golf court. 571 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,040 All the section tournaments I play, I hit this club a ton 572 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,080 because it's just like Targety, you know, like the farewell run 573 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,400 out at 290. It's like, OK, I got to just 574 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,520 chip one down there and have MY150 shot in. 575 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,960 So it's going to be how important this club is. 576 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,520 It's going to be contextual to the player where they're playing 577 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,560 golf. But there there's a lot of good 578 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,080 players out there that that need this club and might be a little 579 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,840 fragile with their with their three wood. 580 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,320 All right. Well, this is good. 581 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,960 What else is on the secret club ordering menu is. 582 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,160 There any other clan? That I need to know about. 583 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,400 We we got we got we got a lot of tricks up our sleeve here. 584 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,040 But no, I think the Thrivers kind of probably the the most 585 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,320 the, you know, the most fun and valuable secret menu option that 586 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,040 we got. Cool. 587 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,920 I love it dude, thanks for the time. 588 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,440 And wait, actually, where on the site do I go to order one of 589 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,800 these? Hold on, let's give people the 590 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,240 full full info in case they need. 591 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,840 To go, yeah, no, no, no. Go find a fitter, man. 592 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:43,040 Ping, we have a great network of highly trained fitters. 593 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,480 So what you'll want to do is go out and you go to ping.com and 594 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,320 go to our find a fitter tool. You can even filter by folks who 595 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,480 have different launch monitors who are using our copilot, who 596 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,880 are doing ball fitting, who are pink proving ground certified. 597 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,720 So we got a great find a fitter tool. 598 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:02,680 I would go on there, type in your zip code, get a rank 599 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,800 ordered list on our find a fitter tool and and go ask about 600 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,280 it. Perfect. 601 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,360 And then if I want to do that copilot thing that you 602 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,080 mentioned, we're plugging that in. 603 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,000 Can anyone do that or is that just for fitters that? 604 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,880 Are right now it's a tool reserved for our fitters Cordy, 605 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,880 but over the next few years we're going to make some more of 606 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,360 these tools available directly to consumers, which would be 607 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,240 really fun. I will direct folks to a couple 608 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,400 really cool tools that we have. One is called Web Fit Wedge for 609 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,000 wedge fitting. This is help you find your grind 610 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,440 and gapping on your wedges. It's really cool. 611 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,440 So if you Google that or go to our site Web Fit Wedge, we have 612 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,080 an awesome fitting tool for consumers called Web Fit Junior 613 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,600 that fits our Prodigy product. So if you got a kiddo getting 614 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,000 into the game and it helps you build their bag, it does gapping 615 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,280 for your kid. Like if you put in your kids age 616 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,800 or if you have their ball speed or driver distance, we'll gap 617 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,520 their entire set, which kids have no idea how far they hit 618 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,920 the ball. So it's really good. 619 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,480 So that's a really good one. And then we just launched our 620 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,880 new Scottsdale putter line and we built a web fit putter tool, 621 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,360 which is not meant to replace an in person fitting, but it's kind 622 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,960 of to help you narrow down like which models might be really 623 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,120 good for you. So there's a couple really cool 624 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,320 tools consumers, consumers can play around with. 625 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,800 And I would think about if your consumer think about those tools 626 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,800 as like your practice round for your fitting. 627 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,680 So do that before you go in for your fitting. 628 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,440 You have a major jump start and you'll be kind of a little bit 629 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,720 more targeted and and surgical for things to to look for and to 630 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,680 be more educated. Tweet I'm actually excited about 631 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,360 that junior one. I got to get my I got to get my 632 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,720 7 year old some some new clubs that keep. 633 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,840 Perfect timing man, I got a 8 year olds. 634 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,400 Yeah I would love your feedback on it. 635 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,200 Go to web fit junior. Just takes like a couple minutes 636 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,320 to enter their height, wrist to floor, how far they hit the 637 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,280 ball, a few other things. And then you can play around 638 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,160 with Cordy. How many clubs you you want in 639 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,480 their bags? So like a full bag of junior 640 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,480 clubs I think is 11. But like your 7 year old, you 641 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,440 might only want to go like odds or evens, you know, start with a 642 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,680 little starter set and it will kind of do that for you and 643 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,600 it'll give you the gaps like, oh, what if I had one more club? 644 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,800 The gaps will get a little shorter. 645 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,520 What if I had a little more and it you can print out APDF that 646 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,440 has a yardage card that you can print out put in your yardage 647 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,000 book. So when you're caddying for him 648 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,920 at his little club tournament, you'll you'll have a little idea 649 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,800 how far you can hit a good shot basically. 650 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,160 Sweet sick. I love that. 651 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,800 Is that the future? You're trying to build as many 652 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,760 tools like that as you can and like try to empower. 653 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,480 People, absolutely, yes. So my team is working on we want 654 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,200 to have the best tools for our fitters and then we want to have 655 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,120 have our golfers like our customers be super educated, be 656 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,520 empowered, go into your fitter, ask them really good questions, 657 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,120 have like a really good jump start on what things you should 658 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,840 be should be considering. Yeah, those, those are some good 659 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,960 things that, you know, you probably know Shane Bacon and I 660 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,320 have a have a podcast, Pink Proving Grounds podcast. 661 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,760 We talk about all kinds of the stuff. 662 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,120 He's another one that's playing the Thriver and won't go back. 663 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,520 All right, we got the the Thriver army. 664 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,880 Is there Thriver merch yet and like not yet? 665 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,200 OK, now yeah, I need to get to. Get we got to get some T-shirts, 666 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,200 some hats. I don't know the whole this is 667 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,480 the new mission. But thanks Marty for sharing. 668 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,080 Hey, Joe, Mayo's got this. Yeah. 669 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,800 It's like, what's our? It's the two woods, so maybe we 670 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,920 could play off that. I mean, I don't know why did 671 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,840 that later. OK, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll 672 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,080 get something together. We'll get ChatGPT to come up 673 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,160 with some logo. How about that? 674 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,360 Exactly. Exactly. 675 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,920 All right, Marty, thanks for the time. 676 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,400 Appreciate. It all right, Cory, That was 677 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:34,720 fun.