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Today was another great episode 
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on the gulf science side 
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Let's get into it. 
So here I am on the door. 

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Coach once again on the road, me
and my dog Chip Shot headed down

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to the keys for a holiday 
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friend several years back. 
I tried to hire him but it was 

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too big and famous for me. 
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He's on underground stuff. 
Athletic motion golf obviously 

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just under great players and 
recently just been named as one 

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of golf magazine's top 100 
teachers which is extremely well

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deserve Sean web, what's up 
Shawn? 

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Hey man. 
Tony How's it going buddy? 

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It's going good. 
Go good. 

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You're on fire lots of good 
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years you had you know I've been
doing the athletic motion golf 

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for a while now but over the 
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it's really exploded bound of 
this the right way to say it, 

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but kind of like mainstream, you
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seeing it a little bit here and 
there seems like everybody knows

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about it and for one I think 
it's a huge service to teachers 

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as well as just folks trying to 
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I appreciate that. 
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everything else you do it for? 
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almost six, I think six years 
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23 years and it doesn't seem 
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traction but I guess you don't 
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watching it and then yeah I 
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we're having fun with it. 
We're just going to keep kind of

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moving forward and keep putting 
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enjoying them and hopefully they
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You get the idea for athletic 
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bit about, you know, behind that
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formulate this idea? 
Spend most the research of the 

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things that you come up with. 
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So I've been wanting to do 
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wasn't really anybody doing it. 
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which is kind of use all this 
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data-driven approach. 
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the good players do and try to 
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that they A do that average 
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to be Dusty Johnson, to kind of 
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something similar. 
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just try to do it together. 
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dying and getting these static 
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all the time. 
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had lost that athleticism some 
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should do something try to get 
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people that played other sports 
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people and it's been going 
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ideas especially around 
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talked about you, I do a lot of 
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and I've learned a lot from 
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new strains of two athletes, 
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Like exact various knowledge in 
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started to see how Some of these
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and different things were so 
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swing, you know, some of these 
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people had an easier time 
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of the golf swing of you, put it
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training that is morath like an 
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just hand them a golf club and 
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recreational golfers. 
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they probably done in other 
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people in lessons. 
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I played baseball and you know 
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with other sports and once you 
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on, they almost say wow, I 
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to do that because it had been a
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of that because of all the over 
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teaching a long time, you know, 
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really position and then there's
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construction and I teach that 
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standing in front of me. 
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the overall idea that the swing 
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right? 
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too much, it removes a lot of 
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have had from other sports that 
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So, just that thought process, I
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the lesson T using some of these
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drills, it really does help the 
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Well, I think that, you know, 
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position driven and we all I 
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reasons you're a great teachers,
teach the guy in front of you 

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and whatever they need is what 
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and is exactly right. 
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yesterday? 
I taught you know, in 

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Montgomery, Alabama. 
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been going to a, you know, one 
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a young guy which would be we're
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But like I think all of us go 
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we get onto something that we 
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right? 
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And you know, and here was a guy
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his grip, strong, trying to bow.
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That and the guy hit the, you 
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pivot, right. 
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And he was like, man, this is 
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to do this and I was like, well,
you know, I think that that's a 

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phase that teachers go through 
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they, you know, they they hook 
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everybody the same thing. 
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teaching is the athletic motion 
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He one part of what you do, but 
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you give the person in front of 
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that's the mark of what a really
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A great teacher, is we all have 
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He got to make the person in 
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it's funny say that we have 
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stuff a lot or sometimes a you 
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Dustin Johnson could do it and 
you know we try to find the 

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commonalities in these great 
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like you said okay maybe you if 
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you're not going to be able to 
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and a boat left wrist or both. 
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works for you that Chimneys 
Windows, right? 

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As long as what you're doing, 
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We're okay with it. 
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everybody's going to swing it a 
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Everybody's different sizes, 
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They can turn different rates 
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So let's find what works for the
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gets the ball, flying straight 
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parameters. 
I think that's the way that for 

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me, and I think you'll probably 
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That's the best way to go. 
About teaching golf. 

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Not everybody's going to do it 
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So when you talk about the 
curious about this we talk about

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commonalities, I'm going to pose
like this is my you know like 

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I've just had this thought I 
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that I say I don't have any 
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Yeah but like I always look at, 
you know I'm a big pivot 

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teacher, right? 
I teach a lot of it and I've 

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always thought that as you go 
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tour player that age, they keep 
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Of the pivot keeps getting 
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player generally, the worst of 
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to that, right? 
I mean, I know, this guy's that 

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right. 
But like in general I found that

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and always been my kind of 
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Like when I develop a young 
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real balanced and then delivered
and then develop the pivot and I

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know that all the research shows
us, everybody if it's different,

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some people get more pressure 
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the pivot. 
Which is best for them early. 

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And then kind of at the other 
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I've done things that. 
I mean I've made a couple 

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But yeah, right. 
So like when you look at the 

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commonalities of what good 
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you find? 
Are couldn't are some common 

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out, you know, over the years. 
I guess we picked a few. 

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We did even did a golf.com 
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I think it was the most read 
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know, one of them we like to see
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start with like the backswing 
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Common, I was a great players. 
The great players don't overly 

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bend the trail arm at the top. 
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don't like to see it. 
Like let's say 120 degrees would

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be too bad. 
We see all the guys that we have

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in our gear system. 
We have a lot, we have like 900 

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million and earnings combined 
around 90 degrees. 

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I think macro is, Elise would 
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commonalities. 
Another one would be, we like to

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see a little bit of a shift off 
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The first car, the backswing. 
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hips toward the target, we just 
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In great players. 
What kind of stuff are you 

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thinking? 
Of know? 

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The trail are more the right arm
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interesting to me? 
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terms of that and I can, I'm not
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that don't do this. 
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Graph. 
This and that there's not 

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exceptions and that's like to 
meet where the people are by 

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gets in a pissing contest. 
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golf, if you can find an 
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say, right. 
Absolutely. 

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Because of the best players in 
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they're great. 
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me because I like, in this goes 
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machine days. 
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to feel like it's stretching 
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percent 100 percent. 
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like, we're good players. 
Like, you know, you can get, if 

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I can get them to keep that arm.
Feel like it's got some 

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structure and stretch, going 
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in front of them. 
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ya. 
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are good that do that. 
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talking about like we had a 
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You know, what are things that 
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ball Strikers and I know that 
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If you watch old Golf Channel 
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this, you know, when Butch and 
all his success. 

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I know, one of the things he's 
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people wide and in front of them
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because when people do that, I 
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but I also think that would have
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wide and in front of them they 
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doubt about it and I'm just 
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pivot oriented stuff know, a lot
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We talked about, you know, 
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the great ball Striker, be 
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their hip turn. 
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at 45 degree range, it impacts 
very balanced, kind of rotation.

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And a lot of times when we see a
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Try to make this massive hip 
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say they do 6570, which we've 
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coming in. 
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point two seconds to hit the 
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open from there and they don't 
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So just on this pivot idea and 
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balance, kind of rotation, back 
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on the lead side. 
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but not a lot of good players 
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You just don't see it with good 
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So like you would get, you've 
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the hip turn back going through.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. 

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No doubt about it. 
We've been well, I think we just

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did a video on that. 
That was kind of an interesting 

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one just did we call it. 
I think just balancing out the 

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hip turn. 
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like yo. 
So we are a lot of us, we all 

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have these, you know, we all 
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Force plates and stuff. 
Now for most of us most of us do

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and you know, I got one of the 
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ago because of the PGA show and 
I found a lot of pivot. 

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I thought it would help you 
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and all the 3D stuff you have. 
It was Prime more like what the 

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balanced plate is now. 
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But it showed to me it was 
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show you could show an average 
at that point. 

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I've been, I'll seat you some 
good Juniors. 

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But like, I was teaching a lot 
of icy chill out of jobs, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're 
everything. 

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Right. 
Could show them where the pivot 

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stop. 
Right, like where the motion 

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stopped, and they started back 
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helpful. 
But so, but now with these 

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safety measures lateral 
movement, you know how much 

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lateral movement DC. 
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Have to our players have based 
on your past, just like like 

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inches forward on the downswing,
basically. 

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Yeah, I think the average around
the average. 

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If you like four to five inches,
in fact, like a macro I think is

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like four, four and a half the 
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like a Boo Weekley little bit 
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But right now that right in that
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amateurs coming in and they're 
not a lot of them think they're 

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not allowed to go forward. 
So growing up an image of a tour

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player. 
And saying, look this is where 

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you are. 
You're only one inch forward 

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with the center of your hips at 
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These guys are between four and 
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Another light bulb goes on 
pretty quick so you definitely 

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have to have some shift over 
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out we were all brought up this 
teachers do. 

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I mean I know that you know for 
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wasn't that I didn't want it. 
I probably realistically just 

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get honest, didn't understand as
much as I do now. 

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Yeah, but that's also where I 
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athletic terms, whereas like if 
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there's some weight shift into 
the front side before you 

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release your body through. 
Right? 

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You know, absolutely start 
thinking of it in terms of that 

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helps. 
Let's talk about your 

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development of the teacher. 
Everybody thinks of you as that,

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but emotion golf. 
But yeah, you know, you came up 

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just like all of us like You 
work and I think that's why I've

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always respected you. 
Like everybody knows there's not

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a ton of the online people that 
I like very much right? 

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Yeah. 
I think most of them have ever 

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taught anybody, dried? 
They just, yeah, but a butt up 

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out there, but you have and I 
think that's why I've always 

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gravitated and respected and 
liked you. 

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And we've always been friends 
because you before you went and 

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did online and athletic motion, 
gaulke taught real golfers, real

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people, and you for making time 
right now, I've always had that.

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Idea, I said that Brady rigs one
side. 

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Like if you're going to be a 
great teacher, I would think you

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would have made one person. 
Really good at one point in your

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life. 
Ha ha. 

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Yeah, I was too kind of proofs 
in the pudding in there. 

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I mean, if you hadn't cranked 
out, anybody that's good, that 

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would question that. 
There's no doubt. 

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How did you come up? 
Take us through your journey, 

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I'm from Maine. 
So not real long golf season but

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I always like enamored with it, 
it's all I could think about 

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24/7. 
So I was a pretty good little 

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Junior player I played in high 
school Zenda. 

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Being a good player and I got 
hurt my senior year playing 

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baseball and like a herniated 
disc. 

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So went to college and tried to 
play of just was always hurt and

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then after school I decided you 
know I got a degree in finance, 

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didn't really feel like using it
so I was still wanting to be 

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around the game and the local 
golf course here in Maine gave 

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me the teaching job 20 years 
ago, I guess. 

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So I'm 43 now is I was, you 
know, just started. 

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They just said, go ahead teach 
the junior Camp. 

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So what Ever was you wanted to 
do so, I started there and then 

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started teaching in Florida in 
the winter. 

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As I did that for 13 years. 
I drive my Honda Civic from 

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Florida to Maine every summer 
and come up here and teach us at

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the Country Club here in 
Stonington. 

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And then got a nice break to 
work for David Toms over in 

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Louisiana, and I worked there 
for seven years. 

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And then just recently, you 
know, I was doing the athletic 

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motion golfing while still 
holding a job at the David Toms 

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Academy. 
I was the director. 

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Charging for David and just 
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fifth. 
I packed up. 

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And then, you know, AMG took off
to the point where it just 

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didn't make sense of do anything
else anymore. 

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So I'm full time athletic motion
golf now with Mike in 

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Cartersville Georgia. 
And right, it allows me to kind 

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of do that you work on that even
more now. 

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So hopefully that thing keeps 
growing at the clip it's been 

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going. 
But that's kind of my story. 

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Just kind of tried to learn from
everybody over the years. 

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Couldn't guys like you, you 
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a lot of I always thought it 
would be cool to just go take 

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lessons with good teachers. 
So I've worked on my own game 

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with a lot of good teachers over
the years and you just pick up 

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things here and there have been 
some of your bigger teaching 

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influences who have been so many
people that you know change the 

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way you think about things and 
yeah God it's been quite a few I

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think I spent some time working 
for Garrett Gilcrest for a 

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little while. 
I thought he was really good so 

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he was a great teacher and a 
great motivator getting you 

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know, people that Themselves. 
I think that was the biggest 

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thing I learned from him. 
He was unbelievable at that. 

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And then I spent a lot of time 
around Sean Foley when I was at 

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Orange County National teaching 
on my own there in Florida. 

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He was gracious. 
You know, I was no but I mean I 

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was just kind of hanging around 
him and he said he met time. 

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You want to watch you teach. 
Go ahead. 

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So I'm thankful for that and 
then guys like you I've learned 

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a lot from Brian. 
Manziel over the years. 

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I've learned a lot from even now
Scott Hamilton. 

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I mean is deaf and dumb, you 
were a teacher. 

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You know, the last couple 
months, you know, I've been 

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there for six months now I've 
learned a lot just being around 

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Sky he teaches a lot of great 
players and the way he goes 

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about doing that it just kind of
added to my. 

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I guess you're teaching 
repertoire. 

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You just kind of learn more 
stuff everyday and not the best 

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to me. 
That's what it's always been 

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about. 
Trying to find the best people 

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and just keep learning from them
and watch what they do. 

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You might not even agree with 
everything they do, but they 

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will probably be one or two 
things that you can add to what 

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you're doing and make you a 
better teacher. 

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So I'm still trying to learn how
I feel. 

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Like you probably are it's like 
the more you know the more you 

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realize you don't know. 
So you mentioned that your board

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agrees start teaching your 23. 
Here's another, this is a great 

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lesson for like we get lots of 
young teachers that listen to 

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this podcast and they still do 
message me on Instagram or 

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whatever you know, and their 
zombie go mentoring. 

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I think we need to do a better 
job of helping those coming up 

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behind us and I think so many 
teachers are so territorial and 

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they get in these pits and 
contests over terminology and 

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stuff. 
And, you know, Oh, it has, but 

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like you've been teaching 20 
years and you just got 

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recognized as one of golf 
magazine's top 100 DJs and 

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people can argue the validity of
those lists, but I think in our 

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business, it's still a nice 
thing to be recognized by your 

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peers, and I have, but it's a 
great lesson there. 

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Like, you've been doing it for 
20 years, and like, it's a 

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lesson that like when you've 
been teaching for six, seven, 

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eight years, nine years and you 
haven't success. 

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Like, it doesn't automatically 
mean that everybody should think

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of the greatest. 
You're in the world right there 

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still a long way to go. 
And I think that's, you know, 

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and we got a lot of great young 
teachers. 

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But man, the road to becoming a 
really good teacher to be. 

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And some of the things that go 
along with that about it takes a

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while. 
You've just got to teach a 

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tunnel Essence, I think that 
might be the thing. 

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A lot of them. 
I noticed, like, it just don't 

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get enough reps in like, you 
know, as well as I do. 

448
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,700
I mean, you just have to teach 
so many lessons to get really 

449
00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:56,300
good at your craft, and if you 
have an opportunity to work, 

450
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,500
Where where you can teach a lot 
of lessons? 

451
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,200
Yes, you know even if you're not
getting paid that much at first,

452
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,900
just get tons and tons of reps 
in with terrible players. 

453
00:22:05,900 --> 00:22:10,100
Good players beginners. 
The more lessons you give you 

454
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:12,700
just start getting you get good 
at it, right? 

455
00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:16,300
If you have any ability at all, 
you'll get pretty good at it and

456
00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:19,300
eventually you'll get 
recognizing, you know, you don't

457
00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,000
want to go into the business 
thinking that. 

458
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,900
That's what you need to do it, 
the awards and accolades, you 

459
00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:26,300
know, they come to you just 
wrong. 

460
00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:29,300
You just gotta keep putting your
head down every day and working.

461
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,600
It's a lot, a lot of work. 
I love that guy had a teacher 

462
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,900
last year or your course they 
reached out and said it got the 

463
00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:38,900
teach it a few years like hey 
what do I need to do? 

464
00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:40,400
What do you think I need to do 
better. 

465
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,700
If I was trying to get on like 
the golf bags and Golf Digest 

466
00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:45,500
was like movement. 
First of all you got to teach 

467
00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:48,200
your I am giving this is a long 
road. 

468
00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:51,200
Yeah, right. 
And like you my best break was I

469
00:22:51,208 --> 00:22:55,100
got a I got a job teaching. 
Hey Johnson and Wayne Flint 

470
00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:58,700
hired Mia Santa Destin Beach 
Resort where I had access to 

471
00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:01,600
just a bunch of Resort guests. 
Perfect. 

472
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,700
You can meet a lot of people 
right, you know, and maybe not 

473
00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:10,100
every lesson was a different 
type of person like you have a 

474
00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:12,800
businesswoman who was just 
learning to play. 

475
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,700
And then you'd have, you know, 
some guy who thought he was 

476
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:18,700
played better than he was and 
then you had an engineer, you 

477
00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:20,400
know, it's like a mix of your 
always. 

478
00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:23,200
You never do what you're going 
to get and you had a, you had a 

479
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,900
figured out and then the resort 
guests, he wanted to have fun, 

480
00:23:25,900 --> 00:23:29,600
he had You know, it's funny 
about that, you know, that 

481
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,100
Resort teaching this whole thing
on his own because those people 

482
00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:37,400
aren't there to do an overhaul. 
They want to go play golf and 

483
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,400
hit it straight in an hour. 
So yes, that that's part of it 

484
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,400
too. 
Is like high, who's standing in 

485
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,000
front of me? 
What do they want out of this 

486
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,200
lesson? 
And I'm not doing a complete 

487
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,300
overhaul here? 
What's the low-hanging fruit? 

488
00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:51,700
That I can give them that they 
could actually do on the golf 

489
00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:53,400
course and they're going to Rave
about it. 

490
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,800
That I helped them shoot their 
best scorer and then you know 

491
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,300
and then you move along and you 
might end up at a country club 

492
00:23:59,300 --> 00:24:02,200
with a bunch of good players. 
And you better figure out quick 

493
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,500
that, you know, these guys are 
already pretty good and they lot

494
00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:07,800
of these guys have Corky swings.
You're not going to do an 

495
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,700
overhaul on them, but you might 
need to get a little more 

496
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:12,700
technical with them. 
It's a balancing act just like, 

497
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,300
you know, as well as I do. 
You have to get really good at 

498
00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:19,800
morphine yourself to help the 
person that standing in front of

499
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,400
you and asking enough questions 
to know exactly what they want. 

500
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,000
You know, I always tell them, 
they said, I always, I guess the

501
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,600
older Do I tell more of these 
stories about things I learned 

502
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,800
from my mentor and, you know, 
had a breakfast day and know 

503
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,200
like what he used to. 
Always tell me, I think you'll 

504
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,900
like this. 
He used to always tell me that 

505
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:39,300
with us to a new student come, 
he would go ahead and answer and

506
00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:42,300
fix what the students thought 
was the problem first, because 

507
00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:44,500
then if you did that, they buy 
in, and they've listened to. 

508
00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:46,800
Yeah, no, I think that's great. 
Hey bro. 

509
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,600
That that is, that is good. 
Where is no doubt? 

510
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:53,000
Everything, you know, at first 
like, they'll come in and say 

511
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,700
what they think, but then you 
start telling them what you 

512
00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:58,800
think. 
You know that, like that's like 

513
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,800
you're here and then, if it 
doesn't work right away, I think

514
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,600
you lose them, right? 
Where is it here? 

515
00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:08,300
Next, you can show them that you
can fix and understand what they

516
00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:11,000
think is wrong. 
Then they know, you know what 

517
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,300
you're doing. 
I think they're more willing to 

518
00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:15,600
buy into you for the process, 
but I think we all know, you get

519
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,200
really better over a long period
of time. 

520
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,400
It takes, it's a journey and it 
takes a process. 

521
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,100
But like I agree with you. 
I said I think that it's I think

522
00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:26,200
like teaching at a resort was 
great for me because I quit. 

523
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,000
Said, like you like they're, 
they're all they're getting 

524
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,800
ready to go out and play 18 
holes with their buddies and 

525
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,400
they're taking a lesson and made
a few screw them up and they're 

526
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,100
worse and nobody, right? 
Absolutely. 

527
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,100
Absolutely. 
And it's the same way, like, 

528
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:44,700
let's say you're going into a 
new time. 

529
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:47,900
I like, I went into Tree Port, 
Louisiana, right? 

530
00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:51,900
Obviously, I had David Toms name
back in me, which help, but if 

531
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:55,000
you go into that town, which had
a lot of good players and you 

532
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,700
screw a few of the good players,
He's up in the first year. 

533
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,800
You're out of business. 
You're three, you're done. 

534
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,100
So I'm fortunate enough to last 
are almost eight years so you 

535
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:07,700
know, but if you would, if I 
would have went in there and 

536
00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:10,300
gave a bad lesson, a few bad 
lessons to the wrong players. 

537
00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:14,100
Not knowing I was doing, you are
toast and to go back on what you

538
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:15,900
said about giving people, you 
know, fix him up. 

539
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,700
This is the kind of unrelated 
story but I need to tell it 

540
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:21,400
because it's funny. 
So I've only gotten one. 

541
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,700
I've only got one bad review in 
my whole like like I spent Eight

542
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:28,300
years of David Toms Academy, 
right? 

543
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:31,700
We had a system where they could
go and leave a review and over 

544
00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:34,200
those eight years. 
I got one bad review. 

545
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:37,500
And when I was there, I taught, 
and I did a lot of Club fitting 

546
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:39,700
was like, you know, I think 
that's important teacher. 

547
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:41,700
You got to know how to do 
something about credit. 

548
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:43,700
I mean, this is the tool that 
the golfers use. 

549
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:48,400
So the guy came in for a 
confident and not a good golf 

550
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,600
swing, right? 
I mean, we're sitting there, I'm

551
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,800
trying to get this guy just to 
get a shot on the middle of 

552
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,900
face, so I could figure out what
he needed for clubs me. 

553
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:56,500
But what 10 15 minutes. 
It's in. 

554
00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:58,100
He had hit one close to the 
face. 

555
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,500
I said, amen, I'm gonna do you a
favor. 

556
00:27:00,700 --> 00:27:03,000
I'm going to be a favor. 
I'm going to save you some money

557
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,400
today. 
I'm not going to sell you golf 

558
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,000
clubs, but I'm going to give you
a. 

559
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:08,300
I'm gonna give you a lesson, 
okay? 

560
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:10,600
And I'm gonna have you come back
on me. 

561
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,300
No, charge. 
And we'll do a fitting once you 

562
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:15,900
fix just one thing. 
And he's like 15 degrees - Pub 

563
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:17,600
passed on track and easily 
straight. 

564
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,200
Over the top, the guy because I 
didn't give him what he wanted. 

565
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,700
He went left me, my only bad 
review I've ever had eight 

566
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:26,200
years, you mean gross today on 
that thing. 

567
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,300
You doing them a service, but 
what was the need to give people

568
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:34,700
what they want? 
I told my assistant products are

569
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,600
like, do two people come in. 
Just give them what they want. 

570
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,300
Specially if it's golf clubs. 
Exactly. 

571
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:42,800
I mean, I think you, but I think
that's the lesson for teachers 

572
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,000
like learn to fix an answer. 
The question of what the 

573
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,200
student. 
Exactly. 

574
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,400
Exactly. 
And I think we sometimes need 

575
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,100
our teachers, make this 
assumption that every person 

576
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:57,100
coming in front of him, is going
to want what We would want to 

577
00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:01,200
want as a golfer and yes, you 
know, I mean, sometimes the 

578
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,000
player doesn't care if they 
score better, they just want to 

579
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,700
hit it harder right now. 
That is such a good point, 

580
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:08,600
though. 
I'm a guy were, like, I start 

581
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,000
with every person and I would 
just assume you want to get your

582
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,400
handicap as low as you can, to 
become the best player. 

583
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:16,100
But like I always talk to 
because sometimes they don't 

584
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:19,800
care about man. 
That makes a great plan member 

585
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,600
years ago. 
I think I was sitting with, I 

586
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,900
forget who I was with. 
It was years ago, someone who 

587
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:28,700
had worked Who worked for Golf 
Digest, I wasn't even really 

588
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:30,700
associate with the magazine. 
At that point I hadn't been on 

589
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:35,000
any of their list and I said, 
well what if people you know, 

590
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,300
you guys do these surveys, what 
do people want, you know, in a 

591
00:28:38,308 --> 00:28:41,500
golf lesson and what do they, 
what do they want in their game?

592
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,300
He said I Far and Away, all they
want to do is hit the ball, more

593
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:48,700
solid. 
They don't care what they shoot.

594
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,000
They want to go out, hit the 
middle like they don't care if 

595
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,900
they, he said, he said they 
would rather hit over every 

596
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:58,000
dream and shoot 90 and thin In 
it and shanking around and shoot

597
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:01,700
79 or 80. 
And when he told me that that 

598
00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:03,800
kind of got my wheels turns, 
like these people just want to 

599
00:29:03,808 --> 00:29:06,400
hit it more solid. 
Yeah, even got here. 

600
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,000
Just want to hit it. 
It's more fun, 100%. 

601
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,400
So to if you get them, hitting 
it more solid. 

602
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,200
Hmm, which you obviously do and 
they buy into that then you get 

603
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,800
the ability to coach them and 
teach them or how to score, 

604
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,500
right? 
Absolutely. 

605
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,500
Absolutely. 
Then there's a more open to The 

606
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:27,700
other stuff you need to teach 
you. 

607
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:30,500
Yeah, you know I mean I agree, I
think he, I think part of what 

608
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:34,500
we do is get them to develop a 
trust with us, then we can take 

609
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:38,600
them where they need to go. 
And I think also in this world 

610
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,200
like you're part of it where 
there's all this stuff on social

611
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,000
media, there's so much info so I
think you got a car. 

612
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,800
That's half my fault. 
Yeah, your time a bomb in your 

613
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:53,800
ass wrong but I think it's, I 
think it's shortened the time 

614
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,400
period. 
You've got to gain the students.

615
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,800
Trust me. 
Because they can go also look a 

616
00:29:58,808 --> 00:30:02,900
bunch of stuff up on Instagram. 
Find out if people are saying 

617
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:05,400
the exact opposite or what else 
could work? 

618
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,100
Yeah, that has, I think that has
come to the Forefront, the last 

619
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:11,200
couple of years. 
You know, I think it's happened.

620
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,400
A lot with, I think it's 
happened. 

621
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,800
A lot with our stuff like will 
put the data out there and it 

622
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,100
might not job with what the 
teachers saying, they might show

623
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:20,600
one of our videos. 
So if that's happening to some 

624
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,200
of you guys, I apologize about 
that. 

625
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,400
But so, you know, we just put 
the data out there with in Is 

626
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,600
what it is but I think you're 
right. 

627
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,500
It's good for ya sir though. 
I have players come to me with 

628
00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:33,700
your videos, right? 
Yeah, yeah. 

629
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:36,800
And then I've got to be able to 
explain either. 

630
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,300
Yep, that's where we're going 
working towards. 

631
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:43,200
And oh you know and I've had one
more like you know what, I never

632
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,300
thought of that drill, man. 
That's like that would actually 

633
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:48,900
be great for you or I've said 
like here's why this wouldn't 

634
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,000
work for you. 
Yeah exactly. 

635
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,600
You got to be able to explain 
it. 

636
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,200
Yeah, exactly. 
And the thing about that is 

637
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,900
someone like you has Confidence 
enough stand there and tell them

638
00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:00,900
exactly what they need. 
If they're you know as a teacher

639
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:03,900
I remember telling us this to my
sister like you have to own 

640
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:06,400
every single thing you say. 
Just this own, it don't be 

641
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,400
wishy-washy with them because 
the more you can do that the 

642
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,200
more they're going to buy into 
it and I think we teach tour 

643
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,300
players that becomes even more 
important than as all my gosh. 

644
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:19,200
So they are looked upon as I've 
looked back on one's where the 

645
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,300
relationship ended or if I 
messed up and didn't do as good 

646
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:25,600
a job, I think, you know, he 
whatever I think you get where 

647
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,200
you're not as Probably maybe 
because stuff isn't, you know, 

648
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:31,600
is it working? 
And a lot of times I think 

649
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,700
sometimes stuff isn't working 
not because of the information, 

650
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:37,200
but because of lots of other 
things going on around them and 

651
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,400
distract you different things, 
but as teachers, I think we 

652
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,600
always tend to look at it. 
Something's not working. 

653
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,500
It's our fault exactly where 
they might be listening to 

654
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,800
somebody else and you don't know
it or there's so many so many 

655
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,300
things that could be happening, 
but you're right, you know, 

656
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,400
especially around tour players. 
I mean if they sense any doubt 

657
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,600
in your mind, And that 
relationships going to go south 

658
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:00,500
and your captain and that's 
happened to all of us. 

659
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,200
Yeah. 
And I think you're right like 

660
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,800
there always is that the hardest
part you combat as his the 

661
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,700
people around them, everybody 
chirping, right? 

662
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,700
Everybody thinks I mean agents 
think they know more about 

663
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:17,500
teaching husbands wives. 
It doesn't matter if LPGA PGA 

664
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:21,300
friends, everybody thinks they 
know more about it. 

665
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,300
Everybody's got an opinion as 
soon as somebody might is bad 

666
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,800
and you're always battling that,
I think that's the This part. 

667
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,900
In fact, also I think it's 
important, stand your ground and

668
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:31,300
if it doesn't work it doesn't 
work. 

669
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,500
You know. 
Exactly. 

670
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:33,900
Right. 
You did the best you could do at

671
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:35,900
that point. 
They no doubt about it. 

672
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,700
Sean this has been a blast man. 
We gotta catch up more often, 

673
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:39,500
not known. 
Oh yeah. 

674
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:42,200
I normally GA shows when I get 
to sit down and drink beer with 

675
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:48,500
you through and my Sean web 
experience last year, hey we 

676
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,000
gotta do it this year. 
I think we're going to be 

677
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,600
alright in January. 
Yeah, I hope so. 

678
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:55,400
Oh sobbing the only reason that 
go the PGA shows for the 

679
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,700
cocktail party. 
He's so into that. 

680
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,300
Yeah. 
But real quick, let everybody 

681
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:04,200
know that we talked about it 
about how to find you, I mean, 

682
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200
great stuff out there that a 
great friend, your great teacher

683
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,000
and want people to know more 
about you appreciate you to tell

684
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,000
me everything. 
Yeah. 

685
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,600
So you can find us at athletic 
motion golf.com, that's the 

686
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,300
website you can book lessons on 
there. 

687
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:20,000
Check out our online 
memberships, but a lot of people

688
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,400
find us through the YouTube and 
the Instagram channels. 

689
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,500
So those are just athletic 
motion golf. 

690
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:27,400
Both of them, you can find this 
give us The follow or subscribe 

691
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,000
and you can kind of see what 
we're up to awesome stuff Shawn.

692
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:33,200
Take care, buddy. 
Enjoy small-time over the 

693
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,000
holiday up in Maine and I'll 
talk with you soon. 

694
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,300
Appreciate it brother. 
See ya. 

695
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:38,400
All right. 
That's shown. 

696
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,600
Web will catch you next week on 
the tour Coke.