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I've been able to travel all 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,000 over the world talking to the leaders in the industry from 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,700 instructors, to researchers, to Golfers themselves learning how 27 00:01:25,700 --> 00:01:28,500 they're getting better at golf and what that means for you. 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,100 Just a couple weeks ago, the world is scientific Congress of 29 00:01:38,100 --> 00:01:40,200 golf took place. It's where individuals have been 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,300 doing golf research, share their studies, they present them in 31 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:45,000 front of, really, anybody in the industry. 32 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,200 Other researchers, golf instructors, folks that work at 33 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,600 different companies, and it's a really fascinating event. 34 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,900 I was lucky enough to attend in 2016 and st. 35 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:58,400 Andrews, really enjoyed it. And I want to share a bit of a 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,200 recap of what happened in this episode. 37 00:02:01,300 --> 00:02:03,900 And I want to first talk about golf science because it doesn't 38 00:02:03,900 --> 00:02:06,500 have Intimidating. It doesn't have to be something 39 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:08,699 that is not worth while for everyone if your golfer. 40 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:11,800 If your coach golf science is can be very approachable, could 41 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,500 be very applicable and covers a broad spectrum of things in 42 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:18,700 golf. Most people who think of golf 43 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:21,700 research think of, you know, the biomechanics and the technique 44 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:24,200 of the swinging. And while that's a big part of 45 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,400 what we do, it certainly does not make up the bulk of what we 46 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,200 do. I mean, you know, we do have 47 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,200 things like, you know, psychology and nutrition. 48 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,400 Those kinds of things as well as As you know, in recent recent 49 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,900 conferences and this one was no different, some more focus on on 50 00:02:38,900 --> 00:02:40,800 player. Pathways how to become a tour 51 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,600 player. If you will, some of the 52 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,300 roadblocks to becoming a successful player, things like 53 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:48,600 tournament preparation, the development of life skills, and 54 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,200 junior golf programs. So there are some topics and 55 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,700 some mint, some studies that happening. 56 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:56,600 Now that I would say, haven't always been really in the main 57 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,200 sort of golf research part of it all and no question this year, 58 00:03:00,300 --> 00:03:03,600 you know, there was a number of presentations on equipment and 59 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,400 some of the new Apologies around that. 60 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:10,300 So I think the I think the term golf research is quite it has 61 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:14,500 become quite wide in scope and isn't really all about 62 00:03:14,500 --> 00:03:16,800 quantitative data either. There's a fair amount of 63 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,200 qualitative research being done in golf as well. 64 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,300 So I think again as I mentioned I think it was a really good 65 00:03:22,300 --> 00:03:25,900 balance this year of of different topics and really 66 00:03:25,900 --> 00:03:33,100 trying to expand the definition of what golf research is that is 67 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:35,700 Glen can Daria. He is the conference chair for 68 00:03:35,700 --> 00:03:37,400 the Congress. This Congress was held just 69 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,800 outside of Vancouver and Abbotsford, British Columbia. 70 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,600 It was really exciting. Few days in one of the most 71 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,300 beautiful parts of Canada and the interior of British Columbia 72 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:49,400 in the Fraser Valley. I think, you know, we were 73 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:52,400 around 100 delegates, which we were pleased with, and had 74 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,800 representation from 11 countries, which is fantastic. 75 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,200 And they really had a chance to experience some very Canadian in 76 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,100 the parts of the country, if you will. 77 00:04:00,100 --> 00:04:02,700 And I think they were quite impressed that and I think, you 78 00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:04,000 know, the converse is a whole continuum. 79 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,600 Is to really develop and mature and to see some of the, some of 80 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,600 the new content, some of the research and studies that are 81 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,400 happening with was really, really good. 82 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,800 And I think we had a nice balance of PGA and LPGA members 83 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,100 that are along with researchers and I think you know, the 84 00:04:20,100 --> 00:04:22,000 abstracts that we had which were near 50. 85 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,100 I think really spoke to a lot of different people who are 86 00:04:25,100 --> 00:04:28,100 attending the delegates and unfortunately I couldn't make it 87 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,100 but I've spoken with a bunch of folks who attended and I really 88 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:35,800 hope to attend this next one. They have planned a little 89 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,300 change to the traditional format of the Congress happening every 90 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:42,400 two years. So one of the things this group 91 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,700 of conference organizers have noted as well as the board of 92 00:04:45,700 --> 00:04:49,200 directors of the world scientific Congress is some of 93 00:04:49,207 --> 00:04:52,100 the conflicts with other major sporting events in golf and 94 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:55,300 outside of gone. Frankly the Olympics Etc in 95 00:04:55,300 --> 00:04:58,100 terms of delegate participation, research participation. 96 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:01,900 So the next Congress will be in 2021. 97 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,600 So it is a three year. Gap between now and the next 98 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,800 Congress and then it will go every every second year 99 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,300 following that so there is an expression of Interest document 100 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:16,700 or template that is available. People can definitely get hold 101 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:19,000 of me. Should they be interested in in 102 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,500 hosting the world scientific Congress in 2021? 103 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,800 So that's that's probably some of the latest breaking news I 104 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,600 suppose on from the actual Congress and we're we're moving. 105 00:05:29,100 --> 00:05:34,000 So since we weren't there I reached out and we have a couple 106 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:37,100 All episodes here they're going to do to get the insights into 107 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:39,000 what research was most interesting. 108 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,900 Some things that stood out and really look at some highlights 109 00:05:41,900 --> 00:05:44,800 today. We've got sasho Mackenzie who's 110 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,500 joined us quite a few times on the show. 111 00:05:46,500 --> 00:05:50,000 He is a researcher in the biomechanics field. 112 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,600 We've done a number of episodes that if you enjoy him that you 113 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,400 should go back and listen to. And then next week, we're going 114 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,800 to have on nikhil, um, who's going to go in-depth on her 115 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,400 study, which is on practice and learning. 116 00:06:00,700 --> 00:06:04,000 I really, really enjoyed learning about this and I can't 117 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,000 wait. Share with you next week but as 118 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,800 far as day we're going to bounce around with a number of 119 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,100 different highlights from Tosh.O. 120 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,800 Going to go over his keynote, some research from paying and a 121 00:06:11,808 --> 00:06:15,200 few other things and I'd love to hear what is most interesting 122 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,100 for you. So, shoot a tweet at golf 123 00:06:18,100 --> 00:06:20,600 science lab. I would love to hear what you 124 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,200 like the most as far as this research and what you want to 125 00:06:23,207 --> 00:06:26,000 learn more about. All right, let's get to it. 126 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,200 My keynote was half pretty heavy on the technical side of the 127 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,100 world, side of the Congress of golf is a blend of hard science, 128 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:40,600 you know, and as well kind of stuff that's a little more 129 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,000 practical. You can pull it in the lesson 130 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,300 tee and mine was strictly towards the scientific end of 131 00:06:47,300 --> 00:06:51,100 the Continuum. What I did was I wanted to to 132 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:56,200 look at the causes of Club, head speed from a mechanistic 133 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,800 standpoint. So I started off to talk kind of 134 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,000 saying hey, And bring the crowd. Can you list some some 135 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,000 variables, some things in the swing that lead to increased 136 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,900 corporate, speak the stuff you would only read about research 137 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:11,700 papers, but see on the Golf Channel, you know, it was great. 138 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:14,200 People throat. Well lat, yeah, it's exactly. 139 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,400 Okay, lag. You know, you want more lad. 140 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:18,800 All right. What about, you know, the 141 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,800 kinematic sequence. Great people through that out 142 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,000 and hey, Center pressure patterns, you know, there's some 143 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,200 stuff from ball invest. So, you know, I was trying to 144 00:07:26,207 --> 00:07:29,600 paint the picture that it was kind of all very correlational. 145 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:34,000 We're not necessarily looking at things from from a mechanical 146 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,100 mechanistic, cause and effect deterministic standpoint. 147 00:07:37,100 --> 00:07:41,500 It's kind of research kind of all these random little bits of 148 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:43,900 studies, is kind of complex puzzle. 149 00:07:43,900 --> 00:07:45,900 We're just getting pieces of the puzzle, all over the place, 150 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:50,200 tough to put them together, not a shot at any of the individual 151 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:52,800 research projects. I've certainly done done a few 152 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,900 of them myself, but more. Let's see if we can take a more 153 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,100 mechanical mechanistic approach and it kind of Follow that with 154 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:03,900 a Quote from Sean Foley from an interview we did with a for a 155 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:07,800 golf science journal a few years ago where he said impact is true 156 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,300 science. I'm paraphrasing here and the 157 00:08:10,300 --> 00:08:12,200 rest of the Swing is just a matter of opinion. 158 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,700 So I thought, you know, there's a prominent instructor who 159 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:19,100 prides himself, I believe in the science side of things and 160 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:22,400 getting things correct. But based on his survey of the 161 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,900 research, and, you know, understanding stuff that it's 162 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:27,900 pretty strong phrasing. From my perspective, to say the 163 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:30,700 impact is true science, but the rest of the go Golf swing is his 164 00:08:30,700 --> 00:08:32,500 opinion. So I wanted to show that 165 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,700 actually the same way that the club had involved interact, the 166 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:41,100 same physical principles applied to the weight of the golfer in 167 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:43,799 the club interact. So I looked at it from a work 168 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:47,700 energy perspective, something we talked about in the little mini 169 00:08:47,700 --> 00:08:51,000 lesson, I gave you to try and show, hey, what are the 170 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,500 components of work that the golfer does in the club and 171 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:58,200 which of those allows us to predict the most differences in 172 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,000 club head speed, too. If I looked at how the work way 173 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,600 you do work on the club Cordy versus me and we've got seven 174 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,400 miles per hour difference in club head speed. 175 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,200 What is it about the way you're doing work? 176 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,800 That allows you to get seven more miles per hour than me and 177 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,700 in what it comes down to is you know that nothing super 178 00:09:16,900 --> 00:09:21,000 groundbreaking this sense but the average force that you apply 179 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,700 to the grip during the down. Swing is the biggest predictor 180 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:28,600 of differences in clubhead speed between players then also that, 181 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,900 you know, the next one along. That was the length of the hand. 182 00:09:31,500 --> 00:09:36,100 So if you want to hit the ball further, you need to apply more 183 00:09:36,100 --> 00:09:39,100 Force to the grip along the direction by hand path during 184 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:41,200 the swing. And it's also very helpful to 185 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,600 increase in length of that hand pot. 186 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,800 So those, those were kind of the take homes and then I kind of 187 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,600 had some, some other interesting decides that, you know, gravity 188 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,700 actually, does does nothing. If you look at grip them work 189 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:54,900 that gravity does in the swing to pretty Club head speed. 190 00:09:54,900 --> 00:09:59,100 It's actually the size and overall negative amount of work 191 00:09:59,300 --> 00:10:03,700 and Reason for that is if you think of the address position 192 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,200 the club actually sits lower, if you're driving a golf ball, the 193 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,800 address position, ascended masters Club is lower than it is 194 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,900 at impact. We kind of have our hands about 195 00:10:13,900 --> 00:10:17,400 10 centimeters higher at impact and the driver had seems to be a 196 00:10:17,408 --> 00:10:19,200 little bit higher off the ground impact. 197 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,500 So pretty easy to see that. Actually, the gravity does 198 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:27,100 negative work, does you have to do more work against gravity, to 199 00:10:27,100 --> 00:10:29,000 get the club up to the top of the back swing. 200 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:32,300 Then, grab Gravity does on the way down so you can kind of rule 201 00:10:32,300 --> 00:10:36,300 of gravity as a reason for being able to change Club head speed. 202 00:10:36,700 --> 00:10:39,400 So you know, I made this kind of a high level overview, is kind 203 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,400 of more technical stuff about both statistical modeling in the 204 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,800 in the talk. But yeah, that's basically it. 205 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,000 So, you know, you can look at hey, why does someone like Tony 206 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,000 thin L have the same Club at speed is Bubba, Watson, very 207 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:56,300 different lengths of swings but when it comes down and Tony 208 00:10:56,300 --> 00:11:00,800 finau has a pretty high average force of his Not short Council. 209 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,400 Does this change the way that we prioritize? 210 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:06,900 What to work on to gain speed in any way? 211 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:09,800 Yeah, I think so. Try to get you another specific 212 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,400 example. So the four ways we do work in 213 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,500 the club are the length of the hand path. 214 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,100 The average force slumming empath, the torque will be 215 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:20,200 applied to the club or specifically the couple and the 216 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,100 angle, the club rotates. So let's say you've got someone 217 00:11:23,100 --> 00:11:26,300 like j.b. Holmes who doesn't get the shaft 218 00:11:26,300 --> 00:11:29,500 to parallel with his driver. We're told. 219 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:34,100 Mikonos another example. What my findings showed is that 220 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,400 you're actually not really going to have much of an increase in 221 00:11:38,408 --> 00:11:40,700 combat speed at all by taking GB homes. 222 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:45,800 Keeping his hand location in space, the same and dropping 223 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,700 having an increase that risk cottingley. 224 00:11:47,700 --> 00:11:50,000 Dropping that club now down to parallel, even though you're 225 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,300 like, look, he's reached parallel now, we should see a 226 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:56,100 big jump and Club head speed. You won't increase in that 227 00:11:56,100 --> 00:11:59,500 rotation angle really doesn't separate out. 228 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,600 Low and high quality players, but the distance that his hands 229 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,300 have traveled in the backswing that that does. 230 00:12:06,300 --> 00:12:09,600 So, you know, you don't, you wouldn't necessarily want 231 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,100 someone to go to parallel and expect an increase in club head 232 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:14,000 speed. If that if I getting the 233 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,600 parallel, they haven't changed their position of your hands. 234 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:19,400 So, you know, so there's, there's maybe a kind of a 235 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,000 practical thing you could apply not okay? 236 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,000 Yeah, you want a longer hand, Pat. 237 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,700 But you don't necessarily have to increase that they, you know, 238 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:30,200 the risk talking about the at the end of Paxil. 239 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,100 That was some pretty interesting stuff. 240 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:41,200 I think coming out of ping, you know, like a briefly discuss 241 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:46,900 like that I thought Chris Brody was Mark, Brody son knows that 242 00:12:46,900 --> 00:12:50,700 now works at pain, didn't need analysis of the influence of 243 00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:55,600 grip size on driver performance. So that lets, you know, some 244 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,200 kind of practical I loved one. Practical questions are answered 245 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,900 by good science, so Inge was kind of had a long-held belief 246 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,900 that as you go up and grip size that tends to result in more 247 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:14,000 fading of the golf ball because you leave the face more open at 248 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,000 impact. So, bigger grip, higher tendency 249 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,600 for slicing and they seen that in some of their the player test 250 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,700 is, you know, if it's over the years like okay this makes sense 251 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,900 but what they would do in those studies is they would say right 252 00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:30,000 you know we're changing other club framers are you put on a 253 00:13:30,008 --> 00:13:33,400 bigger grip or adding Mass? So let's keep the same swing 254 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:34,900 weight. Let's add Mass to the head as 255 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:37,500 well. So now we've got some small 256 00:13:37,500 --> 00:13:40,900 group meeting big grip but all these clubs are at D3 swing 257 00:13:40,900 --> 00:13:43,100 weight. Same swing weight. 258 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:46,500 But he had seen swing weight. Now, they increase the mass of 259 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:51,000 the club quite a bit. So we know, I just finished 260 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,200 doing some research with ping looking at some just changing 261 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,400 grip mass, and it seemed to suggest that that has an 262 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,200 influence on. So what they did was this meat 263 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,300 kind of follow-up study while the previous Search where they 264 00:14:02,300 --> 00:14:06,400 sit right, let's increase grip size, but we're going to do it 265 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,900 without changing the mass of the grip of the overall mass of a 266 00:14:09,908 --> 00:14:13,800 club and what they found was all these differences now, 267 00:14:14,100 --> 00:14:16,800 disappeared. So, there was no systematic 268 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,700 difference in facing. The Liberator was no systematic 269 00:14:19,700 --> 00:14:23,700 difference in ball flight. So, Corinth, all right now, is 270 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:28,600 that changing grip size, you know, subsequently change mass 271 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,600 as well, really doesn't have clear. 272 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:34,700 Automatic change on performance. Certainly at the individual 273 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:37,700 level might be some stuff going on, but so that was really 274 00:14:37,700 --> 00:14:39,000 interesting. My thought is kind of a 275 00:14:39,008 --> 00:14:41,700 practical take home that, you know, hey, if you are going to 276 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:44,100 change your grip size and you add Mass expect me to face 277 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:48,000 moral, but if you can get one of those larger grips that is 278 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,000 lighter as well. So you keep your grip Mass 279 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,200 around 50 grams, then don't necessarily need to expect to 280 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,900 see it changing formats which I think it's important for say 281 00:14:57,900 --> 00:15:01,400 older golf's who have arthritis you know maybe like the bigger 282 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,300 grip. Different reasons, but a lot of 283 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:05,400 golfers slice. So now I want to go with a 284 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,300 bigger grip. That's that also doesn't 285 00:15:07,300 --> 00:15:10,100 increase Mass so you kind of get the best of both worlds, more 286 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:12,500 comfortable whole, but you're not increasing your chances of 287 00:15:12,900 --> 00:15:22,100 slicing the golf ball. Matt Bridge had an interesting 288 00:15:22,100 --> 00:15:26,200 study in the sense overall, that it was like, hey we have these 289 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,900 ideas that people have musculoskeletal limitation, you 290 00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:32,400 know. So you see I'm standing there 291 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,600 and it's like this guy's got a bad posture and we'd like to 292 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,100 change their and then this leads to a poor you know posture in 293 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:43,100 their golf set up which then leads to a bad result. 294 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:46,800 So can we, you know, do some corrective exercises to improve 295 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,800 their posture? And now that's improve. 296 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,900 This should transfer to improve performance on the golf course. 297 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,100 So they looked at or Matt look that remove his colleagues were 298 00:15:57,100 --> 00:15:59,300 with them, but they looked at forward head posture. 299 00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:04,000 It was kind of one of the Brings out their golf, it was kind of 300 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,600 checked as being a negative. So they did corrective 301 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,700 exercises. And with a group of golfers, 302 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,800 they had a control group and a treatment group and the 303 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,700 exercises did work. So they in the treatment group 304 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:22,800 they improve their their posture but they said no change in 305 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:25,100 performance either. You know, when they set up to 306 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:28,400 the ball did that forward head posture change in the golf swing 307 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:32,800 did the performance improve know so kind of You know, just to, 308 00:16:32,900 --> 00:16:37,000 you know, what only one study but kind of says that, hey, you 309 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,500 know, maybe that, that area deserves a little more tension 310 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:45,300 that we shouldn't be too quick to jump to the conclusion that 311 00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:48,700 the changing someone's musculoskeletal, you know, 312 00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:52,700 constraints that they have will necessarily, you know, make its 313 00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:54,900 way into into the golf, swing to see. 314 00:16:54,900 --> 00:16:58,100 Performance of probably also, going to need to be told, hey, 315 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,900 now that you've got this, um, improved range of motion, Her 316 00:17:01,900 --> 00:17:04,900 posture. We need to now still make those 317 00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:07,099 mechanical changes and remind you of them when you're 318 00:17:07,099 --> 00:17:08,300 swinging. It's not going to be this 319 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:11,200 automatic pill, you know. Hey we improve it and it's going 320 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,900 to just translate into the golf swing so you can still might 321 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:15,900 need some biomechanical intervention there. 322 00:17:16,099 --> 00:17:17,599 If that's what you're trying to improve. 323 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:24,800 Did he find any way to say? It's on average five yards 324 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,099 shorter on an average of percentage shorter than typical. 325 00:17:28,300 --> 00:17:32,600 Yeah it was meaningful have to Double check the numbers. 326 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,400 But that's my takeaway was that it was, you know, like 327 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:38,700 meaningful in that at least you'll be playing at least a 328 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:42,100 club difference. Into the green might have been 329 00:17:42,108 --> 00:17:46,000 more than that but yeah, it was certainly worth while keeping 330 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,400 your ball dry. But yeah, very cool. 331 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,900 I mean, good research from ping. Both of those studies are. 332 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,300 That's sweet. I like it. 333 00:17:54,500 --> 00:17:58,800 Yeah, I really enjoyed the Moon away from the hard science or 334 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,300 they're really enjoyed will Robbins and all your Friends 335 00:18:02,300 --> 00:18:04,100 with him. You test podcast with him. 336 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:09,300 He did a great keynote on the last day and you kind of it was 337 00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:14,000 more about the perspective, you take it kind of creating a new 338 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,300 mindset for how you approach the game of golf. 339 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:21,500 Any kind of started with, you know, player comes to him and he 340 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:24,600 asked them questions once we really get to know you know why 341 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,700 they're coming for a lesson and he says that if you ask why the 342 00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:31,400 person why enough, you know hey why do you want to listen? 343 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,600 Well While I slice the ball and I, you know that I don't want to 344 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:36,700 slice the ball. Okay. 345 00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:38,900 Well, you know, why don't you want to slice the ball? 346 00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:40,400 Okay. Well blah, blah blah, if you can 347 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,000 follow this chain, the ask. Why enough eventually everybody 348 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,600 just wants to have fun and shoot lower scores so it's not 349 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,500 necessarily it's not necessarily that they want to slice laws 350 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,300 really what it is. They just want to shoot those 351 00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:55,600 courts that they've actually whether they believe it or not 352 00:18:55,700 --> 00:18:57,600 will be fine. Slicing the ball if they shop 353 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,700 more and so that's kind of his approach and then he kind of 354 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,500 does a lot of Lot of Playing Lessons as a lot of stuff in 355 00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:08,000 groups and really changes people's or golfer's 356 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,500 perspectives on, you know, what they should anticipate for their 357 00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:15,200 abilities. To initiate example, he gave you 358 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,500 eat, ask a player, okay? It could be a good player, the 359 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:24,700 single handicapper and say, hey you know what, do you got a 450 360 00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:27,600 yard par 4? What your expectations here? 361 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,500 Well you know, what would be really great to make a par but 362 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,700 But I will be that disappointed in a bogey, you know? 363 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:36,800 So for would be great, five would be yeah. 364 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,400 Okay, not that bad. Okay, next question, you have a 365 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,100 four hundred and fifty yard? Par 5? 366 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:44,600 What are you thinking? Well, I great opportunity for an 367 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,600 eagle and I better walk away with a birdie, you know, so it's 368 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,700 exact same whole but just because it has a different part 369 00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:55,300 all of a sudden, the golfers mindset completely change it, 370 00:19:55,300 --> 00:19:58,400 and you would say look that shouldn't change your mindset, 371 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,200 your kind of focusing on the wrong thing. 372 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:05,500 So, I that We thought was very useful information for everybody 373 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:08,300 needs. Having a lot of success, really 374 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:11,800 approaching the average player, not from a mechanical 375 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,500 standpoint, but from this, this mindset approach, which I 376 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:24,900 thought was really fascinating. I have been doing some research 377 00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:28,700 supporting research on the influence of putter design on 378 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:30,900 performance with the head of innovation at thing. 379 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:35,700 Eric Henrickson and we did a little study looking at toe hang 380 00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:38,500 versus face, balanced putter. So effectively, where is the 381 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:42,400 center of mass of the putter have relative to the shaft axis 382 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:46,000 and found that pretty clear result playing at. 383 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,500 Oh, Hang putter tends to result in? 384 00:20:48,508 --> 00:20:51,100 Golfers, leading the face more open. 385 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:54,800 So, if you Are having trouble hitting pushes. 386 00:20:55,700 --> 00:21:00,600 Try to move towards a center, shafted more face, balanced 387 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,500 Putter. And if you're hitting poles, 388 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:06,600 hey, maybe maybe just a switch to a towing would help you out. 389 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:09,800 And he kind of, you know, we're kind of like, where's this 390 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,200 coming from? You know, what are the what are 391 00:21:11,208 --> 00:21:15,600 the reasons for this? And he pings got an on-site 392 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,400 historian. So you going and kind of talk to 393 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,400 this guy about all the research and all the things that the 394 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:24,900 Karsten solheim has been, you know, figuring out how long 395 00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:28,300 before anybody Else. And it was this concept of a, 396 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:33,700 it's called a balm, it shaft and the idea and Eric was into some 397 00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:36,600 fast when there's some fascinating research, eaten all 398 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,300 the way, you know, into the 1800s about having shafts being 399 00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:43,500 bent. So that the axis actually goes 400 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:47,400 through the even at the center of the head in this original 401 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,500 ball Melmac, ping design, actually bends the shaft. 402 00:21:50,500 --> 00:21:54,400 So at impact that shaft axis goes through the ball. 403 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,700 Hence the ball, man. Hammock concept, but you can't 404 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:00,000 have been shafts. That was a, was an issue that 405 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 the USGA are. We already took care of at some 406 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,200 point in history, but the compromise was pistol grip, so, 407 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,700 the shaft doesn't change. But the grip has a different 408 00:22:09,700 --> 00:22:14,700 shape up by the the top hand and effectively what that does is it 409 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:19,000 puts that access of the, the grip at the top hand, if you're 410 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,100 playing at Oh, Hang putter. It now makes that that grip pass 411 00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:26,100 through it closed or right through the The center of 412 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:29,400 gravity of the the putter head. So effectively making it making 413 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,800 a towing putter, plane, more like a face balanced. 414 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,900 So Eric set up a study, took a toll, hang putter at a straight 415 00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:41,800 grip and a pistol grip. And the Hound sure enough, that 416 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,600 if you take that Towing putter but you play with a pistol grip 417 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,900 on it, that you have a better chance on squaring the face of a 418 00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:53,700 phrase that we're more likely to there's going to be a difference 419 00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:56,200 in facing like impact. Crystal grips. 420 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,600 Going to have a more Square Face a straight grip on a twang 421 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,300 Putters than a 10 to leave the face more open. 422 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,400 So it's, you know, kind of just kind of starting to scratch the 423 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,200 surface and some was researching on the more questions about why, 424 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,200 you know, what if you have, how much of that that angle of the 425 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,300 pistol grip is good. What happens if you actually 426 00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:19,200 have that, that grip actually passing through the toe side of 427 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,400 the putter. You know, if you have a face 428 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,600 balanced putter with a pistol grip, where does that put you 429 00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:28,600 put Finally some clear systematic differences in 430 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,600 changing the way that the golfer inputs, those forces and torques 431 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,800 to the shaft change in that accident are applying those 432 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,900 forces and torques but seems to have a meaningful impact. 433 00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:45,800 This was fun. We got a little sneak peek into 434 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,300 some of the research presented got to feel like we were there 435 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:51,600 and learning about some of the latest golf research. 436 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,400 I enjoyed this. 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