1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,640 This is the world's biggest atheist and he is about to erupt 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:09,280 on live TV over this. Dawkins has a view of cheap 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,800 grace. A real forgiveness comes from 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,320 restitution, from cost, from sacrifice. 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,680 It is his son who in obedience to the divine will, living the 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,800 divine will in a society that has gone wrong. 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,360 That is corporately wrong, which is what original sin means by. 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,000 The way so there can be no let me. 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,840 Let me just finish. It is his obedience in the 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,520 context of a corrupt society that leads to his death. 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:39,080 That is his sacrifice, and it is that which restores what was 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,280 broken between God and human being. 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,440 So. There could be no forgiveness 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,200 without a death, is it? No, no, it's not. 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,960 I'm not saying that there can be no forgiveness without cost. 16 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,920 How can you applaud that? How did you? 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,960 Applaud because it's true. But it gets worse. 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,920 This time, they laugh at him over the silliness of atheism. 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,560 And, and can I just interrupt? It's an old question, a very old 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,480 question. Thomas Aquinas in the 13th 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,760 century was asking the same question, he said. 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,840 There must have been a time when no physical things existed, but 23 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,480 something can't come from nothing. 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:12,160 That was his view. It's. 25 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,400 Just. Something can come from nothing, 26 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,040 and that's what physicists are now are now telling us. 27 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,360 I could give you what you asked me to give you a a layman's 28 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,200 interpretation. It would be a very, very 29 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,120 layman's interpretation. When you have matter and 30 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,920 antimatter and you put them together, they cancel each other 31 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,400 out and give rise to to nothing. What Lawrence Krauss is now 32 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,360 suggesting is that if you start with nothing, the process can go 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,880 into reverse and produce matter and antimatter. 34 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,480 The the theory is still being worked out. 35 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,920 It's a very difficult theory, mathematical theory. 36 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,760 I'm not qualified to answer the the the question. 37 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,920 George Pell, thank you. But the trouble? 38 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,960 Well, there are many troubles with Richard's teachings, but a 39 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,960 fundamental one is that he dumbs down God and he soups up 40 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:08,759 nothing. He he he can, he continually 41 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:12,920 talks as though God is some sort of upmarket figure within space 42 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:16,920 and time. Now from 1 four 5500 BC where 43 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:20,800 with the Greek philosophers, God is outside space and time. 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,200 God is necessary, self-sufficient, uncaused, 45 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,240 unconditioned. That's the hypothesis you've got 46 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,560 to wrestle with. The second thing is that Kraus 47 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,240 says nothing about The Big Bang coming out of nothing. 48 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,400 What he says is is what he what the Richard is describing is 49 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,560 nothing is a sort of a mixture of particles and perhaps a 50 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,160 vacuum with electromagnetic forces working on it. 51 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,080 That's what Krauss is talking about under the heading of 52 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:52,840 nothing. But you can. 53 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,400 Quickly. Respond to You can dispute 54 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,480 exactly what's what's meant by by nothing. 55 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,800 But whatever it is, it's very very simple and. 56 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:01,640 Why is that? Funny. 57 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,040 Well, I think it's a bit funny to be trying to define nothing. 58 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,920 However, Bill O'Reilly is one man who would not let Richard 59 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:22,840 Dawkins boss him around. Am IA 100% sure that Jesus is 60 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,160 God? No, but I choose to believe that 61 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,840 because the man was so extraordinary in what he did in 62 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,920 his 33 years on Earth, still resonates to this day. 63 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,720 That, I think, is more powerful than your belief that, hey, 64 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,600 someday we might figure it all out, but in in the meantime, 65 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,120 we're not going to believe in any deity. 66 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,200 Why would you muddle up the question of of giving you a 67 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,920 moral compass for life, which is important with the other 68 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,080 question, which is explaining the nature of the world, the 69 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,320 nature of life, the nature of the universe, that's what 70 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,160 science. Is about. 71 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,520 OK, and I understand that. But I don't think that my belief 72 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,800 system contradicts science. And I do believe that there is a 73 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,960 high power in in in my life. I can point to it. 74 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,680 I see it. But what disturbs me about you 75 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,800 guys, and I'm putting you into this category, perhaps unjustly, 76 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,120 is that you seem to look down on believers well. 77 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,240 There is a problem when you guys, if I could turn it back 78 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,560 on, you try to say that because you believe what you do, because 79 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,800 of a holy book and because of the way you've been, you've been 80 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,000 brought up. Therefore that entitles you to 81 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,640 go into science classes and tell teachers what they can or cannot 82 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,680 teach. You may think that God oversaw 83 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,360 evolution, and that's a point of view that you could probably 84 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,480 defend. But leave it out of the science 85 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,720 class, Chris. It's not fair to leave it out of 86 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:42,120 the science class if the science class is incomplete and you, by 87 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,560 your own admission say we don't know how it all began. 88 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,960 So if the science class is going to say evolution only, but I 89 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,800 really don't know how it started, that gap has got to be 90 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,160 explored. You must see that it's quite 91 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,360 remarkable piece of illogic to say that because science can't 92 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,560 fill a particular gap, therefore we have to turn to Christianity. 93 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,120 You don't have. To turn anywhere, you just have 94 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,400 to present it. You don't have to turn to it, 95 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,800 you present it. Will you listen to me and stop 96 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,160 shouting at me? Am I? 97 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,400 Well, turn your ears just because science, That's the way 98 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:13,960 I usually talk. Go ahead. 99 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:17,120 OK, I know it is. I've been warned about it just 100 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,680 because science. Listen, even though Dawkins 101 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,640 patronized this Christian, I believe the man still gave a 102 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,440 beautiful response. I would like to ask you, 103 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:31,320 Professor, what do you have to say to someone, to someone who 104 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,600 has met the risen and living Lord Jesus Christ, who has 105 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,760 walked with God for over 50 years? 106 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,960 What did you have to say? Because I assure you, for my 107 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:49,320 life it has been no delusion. If you had been born in India, I 108 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,480 dare say you would be saying the same thing about Lord Krishna 109 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,280 and Lord Shiva. If you had been born in 110 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:58,080 Afghanistan, I dare say you would be saying the same thing 111 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,960 about Allah. If you had been born in Viking, 112 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,760 Norway, you would be saying the same thing about Voltan. 113 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,200 If you'd been born in Olympian Greece, you'd be saying the same 114 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:16,440 thing about Zeus and Apollo. The human mind is extremely 115 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:30,400 susceptible to hallucination. Sir, I'm being allowed by the 116 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,640 friend I used to work with to come back. 117 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:40,920 I cannot afford to build my life on hallucination, but on Jesus 118 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:45,040 Christ, who is the rock? And it is that I have asked you 119 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:49,960 to address, please. You are obviously sincere, but 120 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,240 obviously I do not share your beliefs and I think you are 121 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,240 hallucinating. That's all I can say. 122 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,800 I don't doubt your sincerity. Something kind of unusual 123 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,840 happened when Piers Morgan pressed Richard Dawkins. 124 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:10,000 Watch carefully and tell me, do you see what I see? 125 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,720 Do you have a view about that? I'd rather not. 126 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,720 Say. You rather not say. 127 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,000 I haven't studied it enough. And as such, should we show 128 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,600 mercy and allow her back to this country? 129 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:20,960 Yes, I'm not, I'm not going to say about that. 130 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,400 Are you worried about, would you get threats because of the 131 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,920 positions you've taken on some of these things? 132 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,560 Yeah. Didn't send a shudder through. 133 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,080 Are you saying no, you don't want to talk about it or yes, 134 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,200 right. I mean, that's interesting in 135 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,040 itself because it isn't. There are areas which you would 136 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,400 prefer not to discuss. Yes. 137 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:44,720 I should have said that before we started. 138 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,040 Yeah, no, but listen, I'm I think it's sad that you can't. 139 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,280 I don't think anything should be off limits in interviews with 140 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,640 people like you. The whole point of the world's 141 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,440 smartest thinkers is we ought to be able to have free and open 142 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:58,400 debate. But I don't think we do. 143 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,120 Because you think happens when you die. 144 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,800 As Bertrand Russell said, I believe that when I die I shall 145 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,920 rot and nothing of my ego shall remain. 146 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,920 That's it. Yes. 147 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:09,680 The end? Nothing. 148 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,280 There's nothing else. How could it? 149 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:11,920 How? Could it be? 150 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,960 Otherwise, I mean you you have a brain, an evolved brain which 151 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,080 works by nerve impulses, and when that decays, what could? 152 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,560 Possibly be left. Given the finality of what you 153 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,480 think death to be, do you fear it as you get older? 154 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,920 I fear the process of dying, but when you're dead, you don't know 155 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,240 anything. It's just like before you were 156 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,480 born. I think it was Mark Twain said. 157 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,360 I was. I was dead for billions of years 158 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,320 before I was born and never suffered the smallest 159 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,440 inconvenience. But when? 160 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,159 When you have loved ones who've died, for example. 161 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:45,800 That's tragic. How? 162 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,920 How do somebody who believes literally in the finality, the 163 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,800 the rotting of a body and that's it. 164 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,720 It must be worse than for somebody like me, where I 165 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,520 genuinely believe there's something better to come. 166 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,200 It's worse. So what? 167 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,640 Did you notice it too, that suddenly, when Dawkins was 168 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,920 pressed on the question of life after death, his fire, his 169 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,320 demeanour and even, dare I say, his arrogance had diminished. 170 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,320 You see, age and death has a way of humbling every single one of 171 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:16,720 us. When we're young, when we're 172 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,440 full of vigour, oh, there is a pride about us. 173 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,760 We think we've got energy. We think we're invincible. 174 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,680 But as we get older, as we hear the grave whisper our name, 175 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:30,520 suddenly we realize we haven't got that long left. 176 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:37,120 Suddenly we realize just how weak and fragile we actually 177 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,960 are. I guarantee that every atheist 178 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,280 who can hear my voice right now will disagree with what I'm 179 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,360 about to say next. But I personally do believe that 180 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,960 as Dawkins gets older and older, eternity will be in the back of 181 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,320 his mind. I wonder if he ever asks himself 182 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,720 that question which made him so very famous on the Internet, 183 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,080 that question that was even made into a cartoon on South Park. 184 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,800 What if you're wrong? I wonder if Richard Dawkins ever 185 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,840 asks himself, what if I am actually wrong? 186 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,120 After spending an entire career convincing millions of people 187 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,760 that God doesn't exist and getting incredibly rich from 188 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,520 doing it, What if this God it does exist? 189 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:22,120 And what if I'm about to stand in front of my maker, who I've 190 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,720 mocked my entire life? Christopher Hitchens, who was a 191 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,680 close friend of Richard Dawkins, also made a career out of 192 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:33,040 scoffing at the God of Heaven and what I'm going to say next. 193 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,720 I say with fear and trembling, but I believe the Lord removed 194 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:42,400 him, and the one who wrote a book entitled God Is Not Great. 195 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,120 I promise you this. He'll be regretting every single 196 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,160 syllable, and he'll have all of eternity to do so. 197 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,320 Why? Because he will realize the 198 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:56,560 complete opposite, that God really is great, and that great 199 00:10:56,560 --> 00:11:01,160 God will make that proud man bow the knee to him, his maker. 200 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,960 Perhaps you're an atheist now and what I say is bothering you, 201 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,960 or maybe even angers you. Well, can I ask you a question? 202 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,600 Often I hear atheists say God is nothing more than a belief, like 203 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,400 believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. 204 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,680 Well, if I said that the Flying Spaghetti Monster will cast you 205 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:23,720 into eternal darkness, I somehow doubt it wouldn't upset you or 206 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,440 bother you as much as when I say a man like Richard Dawkins or 207 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,600 any man or woman who rejects the Lord Jesus Christ will be cast 208 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,000 into a lake of fire for all of eternity. 209 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,640 Why does that bother you if God is not real? 210 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,600 If you are an atheist, can I ask you to do a private test right 211 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,560 now? I want you to ask yourself 212 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:47,480 personally if the Bible is true when I read these verses, 213 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,200 because you are mentioned here in my scripture. 214 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:55,320 It says for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all 215 00:11:55,320 --> 00:12:00,800 ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in 216 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,880 unrighteousness. Because what may be known of God 217 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,600 is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 218 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,240 For since the creation of the world, His invisible attributes 219 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,040 are clearly seen, being understood by the things that 220 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,680 are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are 221 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,680 without excuse. In other words, if you are a 222 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:27,600 professing atheist, the Bible says that deep down in your very 223 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:33,440 epicentre, you know God exists. You can see the fingerprints of 224 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,560 God in all of creation. All around you can see design. 225 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:41,160 And there is a little quiet voice within every single one of 226 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,040 us. Whether we profess Christ or 227 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,480 whether we reject Him, every single one of us can hear that 228 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,120 still, quiet voice. I have a maker. 229 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:55,160 I have a Creator, and one day when I die, I will meet him. 230 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,840 And yet what does the atheist do? 231 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,320 The Bible says they suppress the truth in unrighteousness. 232 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,560 Let me be transparent with you. I have actually made two vows to 233 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:07,400 God. There are two things I've 234 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,840 promised God I will never do again. 235 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,440 And in the Lord's grace I've managed to keep those vows. 236 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,120 But they are so hard to keep at times. 237 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,200 And if I'm honest, just being totally honest with you right 238 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,720 now, there have been points where I think it would be so 239 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:27,000 much easier if I just pretended God didn't exist, if I became an 240 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,000 atheist. And I thought, well, you know, 241 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,200 there's all these questions and there's all these things, and 242 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,680 that doesn't make sense. Do you know what? 243 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:36,200 I'll just pretend God doesn't exist and I can go back to 244 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,320 enjoying those things I once used to enjoy. 245 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,280 But here's the crunch. Deep down I know I would just be 246 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,120 pretending. And I truly do believe this. 247 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,720 I think many atheists who are listening right now, you're only 248 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:54,200 pretending that God doesn't exist in your very inner being. 249 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,160 I truly do believe there's that still, quiet voice. 250 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:04,080 And as death draws close as you can, smell the scent, just how 251 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,600 vulnerable you are, just how fragile you are. 252 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,920 I know there is a desire. There's a desire to draw close 253 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,440 to God. And yet many of you suppress 254 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,040 that desire. You reject the Lord God. 255 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,120 Why? Because it would cost you so 256 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,440 greatly. I mean, imagine if Richard 257 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,520 Dawkins renounced everything he's ever taught, everything 258 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,880 he's ever said about God, and said, I put my trust in the Lord 259 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,240 Jesus Christ. Imagine how much that would cost 260 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,400 him. Yet the Bible would teach this, 261 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,240 that if Richard did, that he would be rewarded tenfold in the 262 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,480 Kingdom of heaven. But if you're a Christian right 263 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,360 now, I hear what you say, you say there's no way that Richard 264 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,240 Dawkins would ever convert to Christianity. 265 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,840 Well, if that's you, I want to remind you that God's mercy runs 266 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,880 deep and no one is beyond God's grace. 267 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,040 History has shown us that. History has shown US men and 268 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,480 women who we once thought were irredeemable. 269 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,280 And yet, in their final seconds of life, they repented. 270 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,480 Oscar Wilde, who lived a very sinful life and encouraged 271 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,240 others to do so, is recorded to have converted to Christianity 272 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,480 in his final moments. Steve McQueen, who lived a life 273 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,560 of money, fame and countless moments of passion. 274 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,600 Did you know? He asked the American evangelist 275 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,080 Billy Graham to visit him when he realized his time on earth 276 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,080 was running out? And later Steve McQueen very 277 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,240 publicly declared that Jesus Christ was his Lord and Saviour, 278 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,880 George Bernard Shaw, who very much like Richard Dawkins, spent 279 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,360 a career disrespecting his creator. 280 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,880 He wrote something very telling in his play Too True to be Good. 281 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,360 The science to which I pin my faith is bankrupt. 282 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,640 In their name I helped to destroy the faith of millions 283 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,080 means of worshippers in the temples of 1000 creeds. 284 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,080 And now they look at me and witness the great tragedy of an 285 00:15:54,080 --> 00:16:00,120 atheist who lost his faith. And in April 2023, Josh Timonen, 286 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,880 an atheist who had made Richard Dawkins so proud that he decided 287 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,880 to dedicate an entire book to him. 288 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:11,280 In April of 2023, Josh emailed a ministry called Living Waters. 289 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,560 He wanted to get the attention of a very famous creationist who 290 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,760 Dawkins had also publicly mocked. 291 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,640 Ray Comfort. Why? 292 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,360 Did Josh get in touch? Did he also want to laugh at 293 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,840 Ray? No, he wanted to let Ray Comfort 294 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:30,040 know that he had forsaken atheism and had also trusted in 295 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,080 the Lord Jesus Christ. The fact is this God is full of 296 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,480 surprises and no one is beyond his grace. 297 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,160 Even Richard Dawkins, while he has breath in his lungs, there 298 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,160 is still chance for him to turn and get saved. 299 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,480 But what about you? You see, we've talked about 300 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,560 Richard Dawkins and at the time that we filmed this video, he is 301 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,000 82 years old and we're talking about death drawing near. 302 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,320 But the reality is he could very much live another 20 years. 303 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,000 And someone who's 18, who's listening to me right now could 304 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,760 die tomorrow. I might not live till tomorrow. 305 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,240 And yet every single one of us the Bible teaches we will all 306 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,200 stand before our maker. The Bible says for we must all 307 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,920 appear before the judgment seat of Christ. 308 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,200 That each one may receive the things done in the body 309 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,400 according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 310 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:20,400 Are you imagining this right now? 311 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,599 Whether you have millions of atheistic disciples like Richard 312 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:28,000 Dawkins, or whether you just have a few up votes on the 313 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,400 atheism subreddit, every single one of us will stand before the 314 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,640 Lord Jesus Christ. And so you'd be very wise to 315 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,200 commit your way and your life to him whilst you're still alive 316 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,000 today. All friends, don't be foolish. 317 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,920 Don't think I think, well, I'll just do what those other men did 318 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,000 before. I will commit my life to the 319 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,840 Lord Jesus Christ on my deathbed. 320 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,080 I'll live my whole life how I want to and that's it. 321 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:52,960 I can just jump into heaven after that. 322 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,920 Friends, you know many will not have that luxury. 323 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,560 Many do not know the hour they will be called and it will be 324 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,240 sudden for some. Many will be overcome in those 325 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,640 final moments with so much that they have no time to think about 326 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,120 the Lord Jesus Christ. So today, if you can hear that 327 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:12,120 still quiet voice whispering, call out to me. 328 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,920 Call out to me and I'll save you. 329 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,280 If today you can see the Son of God dying on that cross for all 330 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,800 the untrue things you've said about him, for all the times 331 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,240 you've mocked him, for all the times you've turned your back on 332 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,280 him. If today you can see Christ 333 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,800 dying in your place for all of your sins so that you could be 334 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,840 forgiven, please do not turn the other way. 335 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,240 Please do not resist the voice of God, but call upon His name 336 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,280 and He'll save you and he'll wash away all of your sins. 337 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,040 He'll give you a New Hope. He'll put a smile on your face, 338 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,120 and He'll show you that I am God. 339 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,440 And for your whole life, you'll think, Why did I spend my life 340 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:54,040 rejecting this wonderful Saviour who has loved me so much and 341 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,560 bought me with a price? If you are an atheist and you've 342 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,080 got all of these questions and all of these doubts you might be 343 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,720 saying to me, OK, Joe, yes, perhaps there is a God, and 344 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,240 perhaps you are right about the Lord Jesus Christ. 345 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,960 I do feel convicted as you're speaking right now. 346 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,240 And there is part of me that wants to draw close to God. 347 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,240 But what do I do with all of my questions? 348 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,920 Am I supposed to just take my brain and just throw it out of 349 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,640 the window? Because now I'm a Christian? 350 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,240 I don't think logically, no. What I'm telling you to do is 351 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,640 believe that Christianity is actually very rational. 352 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,720 You see many people atheists on the streets. 353 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,800 They say to me, oh, I went to a Catholic school. 354 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,360 Oh, I know all about. I've read the Bible before and 355 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:35,160 that's why I've rejected it. No, that is so different When 356 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,920 you're a child and you're being taught it in a classroom setting 357 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,600 that is so different. And now you're at a mature age. 358 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,800 We're able to think and dissect things. 359 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,000 I'm asking you if you're willing to put in the work. 360 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,160 Open up some good books, study the evidence for the 361 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,320 resurrection, study the evidence for the credibility of the 362 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,240 Bible, study intelligent design, study the moral argument, Study 363 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,440 all of these things and you'll soon find that you are not 364 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,240 irrational at all if you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. 365 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,680 In fact, when you realize the evidence for the resurrection, 366 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,800 you will realize it is the most sensible thing on Earth. 367 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:14,880 To do and here's the beautiful parts, whilst you have all of 368 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,560 these questions, God will be patient with you. 369 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,120 There was a man in the Bible called Thomas who was a very 370 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:22,440 close friend of the Lord Jesus Christ. 371 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,600 But he did not see Jesus risen from the dead. 372 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,360 All the other disciples had seen it and they were sort of buzzing 373 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:30,560 around saying, Thomas, have you heard about it? 374 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,280 Jesus has risen from the dead. And Thomas said, unless I take 375 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,480 my hand and put it in the nail prints, unless I take my hand 376 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,360 and put it in his side, I will not believe. 377 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,120 In other words, seeing was believing Thomas was a sceptic. 378 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,360 But the Lord Jesus Christ didn't just cast Thomas off, he didn't 379 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,440 say, Well if Thomas doesn't believe, fine, go his own way. 380 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,120 I've got no time for him anymore. 381 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,520 No, Jesus very patiently arrived right in front of Thomas and 382 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,840 said, here, Thomas, take your finger and put it in the nail 383 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,120 prints. Here, take your hand and put it 384 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,440 in my side. Don't be unbelieving, but 385 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,280 believe. Here is the God of Heaven, the 386 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,480 one who created the universe and the billions and billions of 387 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,080 stars. And yet he's letting a doubting 388 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,040 man prod him and poke him just so he can believe. 389 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,800 And that same Christ is the same Christ. 390 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,560 He'll be patient with you today with all of your doubts. 391 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,280 He'll let you examine him. But you've got to come. 392 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,080 You've got to receive him, and you've got to call out to him to 393 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,480 save you. So please do that today. 394 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,760 Well, you still have opportunity. 395 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,600 Jordan Peterson, you have to agree, is not a man who has 396 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,560 thrown his brain out of the window. 397 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,160 He weighs everything up, and he's incredibly intelligent. 398 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,840 Well, did you know he took on? Well, he didn't take him on, but 399 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,960 he had a conversation with one of the world's most famous 400 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,680 atheists, Stephen Fry, and he asked him some very tough 401 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,680 questions. Check out this video here. 402 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,080 And if you haven't yet subscribed, please do me a 403 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,200 favour. We'd love to see you again next 404 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,480 Saturday, 9:30 Eastern Time.