This is the world's biggest atheist and he is about to erupt
on live TV over this. Dawkins has a view of cheap
grace. A real forgiveness comes from
restitution, from cost, from sacrifice.
It is his son who in obedience to the divine will, living the
divine will in a society that has gone wrong.
That is corporately wrong, which is what original sin means by.
The way so there can be no let me.
Let me just finish. It is his obedience in the
context of a corrupt society that leads to his death.
That is his sacrifice, and it is that which restores what was
broken between God and human being.
So. There could be no forgiveness
without a death, is it? No, no, it's not.
I'm not saying that there can be no forgiveness without cost.
How can you applaud that? How did you?
Applaud because it's true. But it gets worse.
This time, they laugh at him over the silliness of atheism.
And, and can I just interrupt? It's an old question, a very old
question. Thomas Aquinas in the 13th
century was asking the same question, he said.
There must have been a time when no physical things existed, but
something can't come from nothing.
That was his view. It's.
Just. Something can come from nothing,
and that's what physicists are now are now telling us.
I could give you what you asked me to give you a a layman's
interpretation. It would be a very, very
layman's interpretation. When you have matter and
antimatter and you put them together, they cancel each other
out and give rise to to nothing. What Lawrence Krauss is now
suggesting is that if you start with nothing, the process can go
into reverse and produce matter and antimatter.
The the theory is still being worked out.
It's a very difficult theory, mathematical theory.
I'm not qualified to answer the the the question.
George Pell, thank you. But the trouble?
Well, there are many troubles with Richard's teachings, but a
fundamental one is that he dumbs down God and he soups up
nothing. He he he can, he continually
talks as though God is some sort of upmarket figure within space
and time. Now from 1 four 5500 BC where
with the Greek philosophers, God is outside space and time.
God is necessary, self-sufficient, uncaused,
unconditioned. That's the hypothesis you've got
to wrestle with. The second thing is that Kraus
says nothing about The Big Bang coming out of nothing.
What he says is is what he what the Richard is describing is
nothing is a sort of a mixture of particles and perhaps a
vacuum with electromagnetic forces working on it.
That's what Krauss is talking about under the heading of
nothing. But you can.
Quickly. Respond to You can dispute
exactly what's what's meant by by nothing.
But whatever it is, it's very very simple and.
Why is that? Funny.
Well, I think it's a bit funny to be trying to define nothing.
However, Bill O'Reilly is one man who would not let Richard
Dawkins boss him around. Am IA 100% sure that Jesus is
God? No, but I choose to believe that
because the man was so extraordinary in what he did in
his 33 years on Earth, still resonates to this day.
That, I think, is more powerful than your belief that, hey,
someday we might figure it all out, but in in the meantime,
we're not going to believe in any deity.
Why would you muddle up the question of of giving you a
moral compass for life, which is important with the other
question, which is explaining the nature of the world, the
nature of life, the nature of the universe, that's what
science. Is about.
OK, and I understand that. But I don't think that my belief
system contradicts science. And I do believe that there is a
high power in in in my life. I can point to it.
I see it. But what disturbs me about you
guys, and I'm putting you into this category, perhaps unjustly,
is that you seem to look down on believers well.
There is a problem when you guys, if I could turn it back
on, you try to say that because you believe what you do, because
of a holy book and because of the way you've been, you've been
brought up. Therefore that entitles you to
go into science classes and tell teachers what they can or cannot
teach. You may think that God oversaw
evolution, and that's a point of view that you could probably
defend. But leave it out of the science
class, Chris. It's not fair to leave it out of
the science class if the science class is incomplete and you, by
your own admission say we don't know how it all began.
So if the science class is going to say evolution only, but I
really don't know how it started, that gap has got to be
explored. You must see that it's quite
remarkable piece of illogic to say that because science can't
fill a particular gap, therefore we have to turn to Christianity.
You don't have. To turn anywhere, you just have
to present it. You don't have to turn to it,
you present it. Will you listen to me and stop
shouting at me? Am I?
Well, turn your ears just because science, That's the way
I usually talk. Go ahead.
OK, I know it is. I've been warned about it just
because science. Listen, even though Dawkins
patronized this Christian, I believe the man still gave a
beautiful response. I would like to ask you,
Professor, what do you have to say to someone, to someone who
has met the risen and living Lord Jesus Christ, who has
walked with God for over 50 years?
What did you have to say? Because I assure you, for my
life it has been no delusion. If you had been born in India, I
dare say you would be saying the same thing about Lord Krishna
and Lord Shiva. If you had been born in
Afghanistan, I dare say you would be saying the same thing
about Allah. If you had been born in Viking,
Norway, you would be saying the same thing about Voltan.
If you'd been born in Olympian Greece, you'd be saying the same
thing about Zeus and Apollo. The human mind is extremely
susceptible to hallucination. Sir, I'm being allowed by the
friend I used to work with to come back.
I cannot afford to build my life on hallucination, but on Jesus
Christ, who is the rock? And it is that I have asked you
to address, please. You are obviously sincere, but
obviously I do not share your beliefs and I think you are
hallucinating. That's all I can say.
I don't doubt your sincerity. Something kind of unusual
happened when Piers Morgan pressed Richard Dawkins.
Watch carefully and tell me, do you see what I see?
Do you have a view about that? I'd rather not.
Say. You rather not say.
I haven't studied it enough. And as such, should we show
mercy and allow her back to this country?
Yes, I'm not, I'm not going to say about that.
Are you worried about, would you get threats because of the
positions you've taken on some of these things?
Yeah. Didn't send a shudder through.
Are you saying no, you don't want to talk about it or yes,
right. I mean, that's interesting in
itself because it isn't. There are areas which you would
prefer not to discuss. Yes.
I should have said that before we started.
Yeah, no, but listen, I'm I think it's sad that you can't.
I don't think anything should be off limits in interviews with
people like you. The whole point of the world's
smartest thinkers is we ought to be able to have free and open
debate. But I don't think we do.
Because you think happens when you die.
As Bertrand Russell said, I believe that when I die I shall
rot and nothing of my ego shall remain.
That's it. Yes.
The end? Nothing.
There's nothing else. How could it?
How? Could it be?
Otherwise, I mean you you have a brain, an evolved brain which
works by nerve impulses, and when that decays, what could?
Possibly be left. Given the finality of what you
think death to be, do you fear it as you get older?
I fear the process of dying, but when you're dead, you don't know
anything. It's just like before you were
born. I think it was Mark Twain said.
I was. I was dead for billions of years
before I was born and never suffered the smallest
inconvenience. But when?
When you have loved ones who've died, for example.
That's tragic. How?
How do somebody who believes literally in the finality, the
the rotting of a body and that's it.
It must be worse than for somebody like me, where I
genuinely believe there's something better to come.
It's worse. So what?
Did you notice it too, that suddenly, when Dawkins was
pressed on the question of life after death, his fire, his
demeanour and even, dare I say, his arrogance had diminished.
You see, age and death has a way of humbling every single one of
us. When we're young, when we're
full of vigour, oh, there is a pride about us.
We think we've got energy. We think we're invincible.
But as we get older, as we hear the grave whisper our name,
suddenly we realize we haven't got that long left.
Suddenly we realize just how weak and fragile we actually
are. I guarantee that every atheist
who can hear my voice right now will disagree with what I'm
about to say next. But I personally do believe that
as Dawkins gets older and older, eternity will be in the back of
his mind. I wonder if he ever asks himself
that question which made him so very famous on the Internet,
that question that was even made into a cartoon on South Park.
What if you're wrong? I wonder if Richard Dawkins ever
asks himself, what if I am actually wrong?
After spending an entire career convincing millions of people
that God doesn't exist and getting incredibly rich from
doing it, What if this God it does exist?
And what if I'm about to stand in front of my maker, who I've
mocked my entire life? Christopher Hitchens, who was a
close friend of Richard Dawkins, also made a career out of
scoffing at the God of Heaven and what I'm going to say next.
I say with fear and trembling, but I believe the Lord removed
him, and the one who wrote a book entitled God Is Not Great.
I promise you this. He'll be regretting every single
syllable, and he'll have all of eternity to do so.
Why? Because he will realize the
complete opposite, that God really is great, and that great
God will make that proud man bow the knee to him, his maker.
Perhaps you're an atheist now and what I say is bothering you,
or maybe even angers you. Well, can I ask you a question?
Often I hear atheists say God is nothing more than a belief, like
believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Well, if I said that the Flying Spaghetti Monster will cast you
into eternal darkness, I somehow doubt it wouldn't upset you or
bother you as much as when I say a man like Richard Dawkins or
any man or woman who rejects the Lord Jesus Christ will be cast
into a lake of fire for all of eternity.
Why does that bother you if God is not real?
If you are an atheist, can I ask you to do a private test right
now? I want you to ask yourself
personally if the Bible is true when I read these verses,
because you are mentioned here in my scripture.
It says for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness. Because what may be known of God
is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
For since the creation of the world, His invisible attributes
are clearly seen, being understood by the things that
are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are
without excuse. In other words, if you are a
professing atheist, the Bible says that deep down in your very
epicentre, you know God exists. You can see the fingerprints of
God in all of creation. All around you can see design.
And there is a little quiet voice within every single one of
us. Whether we profess Christ or
whether we reject Him, every single one of us can hear that
still, quiet voice. I have a maker.
I have a Creator, and one day when I die, I will meet him.
And yet what does the atheist do?
The Bible says they suppress the truth in unrighteousness.
Let me be transparent with you. I have actually made two vows to
God. There are two things I've
promised God I will never do again.
And in the Lord's grace I've managed to keep those vows.
But they are so hard to keep at times.
And if I'm honest, just being totally honest with you right
now, there have been points where I think it would be so
much easier if I just pretended God didn't exist, if I became an
atheist. And I thought, well, you know,
there's all these questions and there's all these things, and
that doesn't make sense. Do you know what?
I'll just pretend God doesn't exist and I can go back to
enjoying those things I once used to enjoy.
But here's the crunch. Deep down I know I would just be
pretending. And I truly do believe this.
I think many atheists who are listening right now, you're only
pretending that God doesn't exist in your very inner being.
I truly do believe there's that still, quiet voice.
And as death draws close as you can, smell the scent, just how
vulnerable you are, just how fragile you are.
I know there is a desire. There's a desire to draw close
to God. And yet many of you suppress
that desire. You reject the Lord God.
Why? Because it would cost you so
greatly. I mean, imagine if Richard
Dawkins renounced everything he's ever taught, everything
he's ever said about God, and said, I put my trust in the Lord
Jesus Christ. Imagine how much that would cost
him. Yet the Bible would teach this,
that if Richard did, that he would be rewarded tenfold in the
Kingdom of heaven. But if you're a Christian right
now, I hear what you say, you say there's no way that Richard
Dawkins would ever convert to Christianity.
Well, if that's you, I want to remind you that God's mercy runs
deep and no one is beyond God's grace.
History has shown us that. History has shown US men and
women who we once thought were irredeemable.
And yet, in their final seconds of life, they repented.
Oscar Wilde, who lived a very sinful life and encouraged
others to do so, is recorded to have converted to Christianity
in his final moments. Steve McQueen, who lived a life
of money, fame and countless moments of passion.
Did you know? He asked the American evangelist
Billy Graham to visit him when he realized his time on earth
was running out? And later Steve McQueen very
publicly declared that Jesus Christ was his Lord and Saviour,
George Bernard Shaw, who very much like Richard Dawkins, spent
a career disrespecting his creator.
He wrote something very telling in his play Too True to be Good.
The science to which I pin my faith is bankrupt.
In their name I helped to destroy the faith of millions
means of worshippers in the temples of 1000 creeds.
And now they look at me and witness the great tragedy of an
atheist who lost his faith. And in April 2023, Josh Timonen,
an atheist who had made Richard Dawkins so proud that he decided
to dedicate an entire book to him.
In April of 2023, Josh emailed a ministry called Living Waters.
He wanted to get the attention of a very famous creationist who
Dawkins had also publicly mocked.
Ray Comfort. Why?
Did Josh get in touch? Did he also want to laugh at
Ray? No, he wanted to let Ray Comfort
know that he had forsaken atheism and had also trusted in
the Lord Jesus Christ. The fact is this God is full of
surprises and no one is beyond his grace.
Even Richard Dawkins, while he has breath in his lungs, there
is still chance for him to turn and get saved.
But what about you? You see, we've talked about
Richard Dawkins and at the time that we filmed this video, he is
82 years old and we're talking about death drawing near.
But the reality is he could very much live another 20 years.
And someone who's 18, who's listening to me right now could
die tomorrow. I might not live till tomorrow.
And yet every single one of us the Bible teaches we will all
stand before our maker. The Bible says for we must all
appear before the judgment seat of Christ.
That each one may receive the things done in the body
according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
Are you imagining this right now?
Whether you have millions of atheistic disciples like Richard
Dawkins, or whether you just have a few up votes on the
atheism subreddit, every single one of us will stand before the
Lord Jesus Christ. And so you'd be very wise to
commit your way and your life to him whilst you're still alive
today. All friends, don't be foolish.
Don't think I think, well, I'll just do what those other men did
before. I will commit my life to the
Lord Jesus Christ on my deathbed.
I'll live my whole life how I want to and that's it.
I can just jump into heaven after that.
Friends, you know many will not have that luxury.
Many do not know the hour they will be called and it will be
sudden for some. Many will be overcome in those
final moments with so much that they have no time to think about
the Lord Jesus Christ. So today, if you can hear that
still quiet voice whispering, call out to me.
Call out to me and I'll save you.
If today you can see the Son of God dying on that cross for all
the untrue things you've said about him, for all the times
you've mocked him, for all the times you've turned your back on
him. If today you can see Christ
dying in your place for all of your sins so that you could be
forgiven, please do not turn the other way.
Please do not resist the voice of God, but call upon His name
and He'll save you and he'll wash away all of your sins.
He'll give you a New Hope. He'll put a smile on your face,
and He'll show you that I am God.
And for your whole life, you'll think, Why did I spend my life
rejecting this wonderful Saviour who has loved me so much and
bought me with a price? If you are an atheist and you've
got all of these questions and all of these doubts you might be
saying to me, OK, Joe, yes, perhaps there is a God, and
perhaps you are right about the Lord Jesus Christ.
I do feel convicted as you're speaking right now.
And there is part of me that wants to draw close to God.
But what do I do with all of my questions?
Am I supposed to just take my brain and just throw it out of
the window? Because now I'm a Christian?
I don't think logically, no. What I'm telling you to do is
believe that Christianity is actually very rational.
You see many people atheists on the streets.
They say to me, oh, I went to a Catholic school.
Oh, I know all about. I've read the Bible before and
that's why I've rejected it. No, that is so different When
you're a child and you're being taught it in a classroom setting
that is so different. And now you're at a mature age.
We're able to think and dissect things.
I'm asking you if you're willing to put in the work.
Open up some good books, study the evidence for the
resurrection, study the evidence for the credibility of the
Bible, study intelligent design, study the moral argument, Study
all of these things and you'll soon find that you are not
irrational at all if you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
In fact, when you realize the evidence for the resurrection,
you will realize it is the most sensible thing on Earth.
To do and here's the beautiful parts, whilst you have all of
these questions, God will be patient with you.
There was a man in the Bible called Thomas who was a very
close friend of the Lord Jesus Christ.
But he did not see Jesus risen from the dead.
All the other disciples had seen it and they were sort of buzzing
around saying, Thomas, have you heard about it?
Jesus has risen from the dead. And Thomas said, unless I take
my hand and put it in the nail prints, unless I take my hand
and put it in his side, I will not believe.
In other words, seeing was believing Thomas was a sceptic.
But the Lord Jesus Christ didn't just cast Thomas off, he didn't
say, Well if Thomas doesn't believe, fine, go his own way.
I've got no time for him anymore.
No, Jesus very patiently arrived right in front of Thomas and
said, here, Thomas, take your finger and put it in the nail
prints. Here, take your hand and put it
in my side. Don't be unbelieving, but
believe. Here is the God of Heaven, the
one who created the universe and the billions and billions of
stars. And yet he's letting a doubting
man prod him and poke him just so he can believe.
And that same Christ is the same Christ.
He'll be patient with you today with all of your doubts.
He'll let you examine him. But you've got to come.
You've got to receive him, and you've got to call out to him to
save you. So please do that today.
Well, you still have opportunity.
Jordan Peterson, you have to agree, is not a man who has
thrown his brain out of the window.
He weighs everything up, and he's incredibly intelligent.
Well, did you know he took on? Well, he didn't take him on, but
he had a conversation with one of the world's most famous
atheists, Stephen Fry, and he asked him some very tough
questions. Check out this video here.
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