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This is David Attenborough and 
this is me. 

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They say never meet your heroes.
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this is true or not, first let's
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David Attenborough was 
challenged on whether God exists

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or not. 
You, I think you've described 

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yourself as an agnostic. 
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Is this what you say is a 
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as a scientist, You should never
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I can't help thinking of when I 
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the top of a termite hill and 
I've seen termites in there all 

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busying about building walls, 
looking after the queen, caring 

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for the pupae, clearing the 
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Then they're all blind and they 
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there watching what they're 
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those sense organisms which 
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But I do sometimes feel that 
maybe I'm lacking in some sense 

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of and I don't know whether 
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all this sort of thing. 
And it's a it's a very confident

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thing to say that you're 
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there's nothing in this world 
that I don't have the sense 

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organs to appreciate. 
And Richard, I don't, I don't 

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doubt would say, well that's 
rather feeble. 

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That's not being very brave. 
And he maybe he's got a case. 

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I don't know whether to be happy
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You see, on one side here is 
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knighted, this man who has all 
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the humility to be willing to 
accept that actually, yes, we 

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might not know everything and 
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superior mind who created 
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But then on the flip side, 
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if he really does effectively 
admit that I actually could be 

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blind, why is there no urgency 
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Why is he still contented to 
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Because without being 
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end of his life, and very soon 
that tiny little termite will 

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see something much bigger than 
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He will see God. 
The Bible says, let them alone. 

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They are blind leaders of the 
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And if the blind leads the 
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ditch. 
So if David Attenborough is kind

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of admitting to the fact that he
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man who's inspired millions of 
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generations, and yet he will 
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ditch. 
Oh, how wonderful it would be if

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David Attenborough would open 
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things of God, and then from 
seeing that then lead many 

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others to Christ in his latter 
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Because the beautiful message of
the Bible is this. 

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Though we are tiny insignificant
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universe who built all of the 
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space, this great big God laid 
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little termites like you and me.
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echo the words of John Newton. 
An Amazing Grace. 

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I once was lost, but now I'm 
found was blind, but now I see. 

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OK, we're about to watch a mini 
debate between David 

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Attenborough and an Australian 
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Listen carefully and I'll tell 
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to your attention. 
How can you get evolution when 

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every new species starts out as 
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I don't know that we have enough
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don't think we've can experiment
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to demonstrate processes which 
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My concern, as I've said, is is 
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mechanisms by which these 
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sure our knowledge is 
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proposition that one form is 
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there is a biological unity of 
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the evidence is altogether 
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There's no way of stopping you 
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I'm going to stop you anyway. 
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are not ashamed to let people 
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the Lord Jesus Christ, the 
chances are at some point you 

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will enter into a debate with 
unbelievers who the Lord has 

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purposely placed in your life, 
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your friends, your neighbors, or
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At some point people will 
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in God. 
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two choices. 
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really angry. 
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slam dunk them and make them 
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best arguments. 
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have a friendly discussion and 
just gently challenge their 

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points at why actually is very 
rational to believe in God. 

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You see, I want to be the 
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But at points, yes, I hold my 
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I've fallen into the first 
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I want to prove prove people 
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love the way that these two 
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respectfully. 
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shouted at, no one likes to be 
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yet they both listen to each 
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So next time you have a debate, 
remember to be gentle and I'll 

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use an old fashioned word. 
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come on now, how awful would it 
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lost the soul? 
David Attenborough in this 

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interview again seems to be open
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intelligent design. 
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between the idea that there 
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omnipotent creator spirit that 
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do it by allowing things to 
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have. 
There is the evidence, and if 

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you believe that that God wanted
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if you don't, that's fine. 
But the evidence that it went 

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that way is a refute. 
If you wanted a title for this 

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concept, it's called Theistic 
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Now personally, I believe the 
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days. 
I think he could have done it in

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six seconds if he wanted to, but
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order to give us a a structure 
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However, that being said, I do 
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I do look up to preachers and 
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so I don't believe it's a 
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But I also do believe there's a 
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proves that it's not dumb. 
It's not silly to believe in 

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Young Earth Creationism, that 
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actually the Earth is about 6000
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So if you would like to see that
video that I'm going to make 

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where I give you all of this 
evidence, please do subscribe. 

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But just for now, let me ask you
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Would you trust a monkey to hold
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Would you trust Would you allow 
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Of course you wouldn't. 
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is nothing but a highly evolved 
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monkey's mind to tell you 
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No. 
So then how can you trust your 

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monkey's mind to say that we did
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Does that make sense? 
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human beings, made in the image 
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over millions of years. 
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But that's my opinion and if you
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make sure you check out the 
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I can assure you of one thing, 
God has blessed David 

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Attenborough with a long life 
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And here's what David had to say
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was pressed by the interviewer. 
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the life cycles of of many 
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What about your own? 
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stage of your life and it 
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down. 
You're still doing so much for 

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someone in their 90s. 
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Luck. 
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I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm 
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I mean I've got dear friends who
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can't walk about, you know, and 
it's not their fault and they 

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can't remember things. 
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but but seriously you can't 
remember things and and and why 

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it happened to them and have 
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it's not because I have eat 
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I mean I I have just no idea. 
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Luck. 
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Attimer on this one. 
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walk, laugh, sing or even 
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God. 
Look, has nothing to do with it.

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And although David is rejecting 
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is keeping him alive for a 
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I believe God is keeping David 
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world his beautiful creation. 
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There have been hundreds of 
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many years, and yet none of them
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viewership that David 
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Even at the grand old age of 97 
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Old, young, handsome men, they 
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Attenborough's doing. 
So the Lord's keeping him alive 

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to keep showing the world just 
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really is. 
But I hear what you say, you 

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say. 
But Joe David doesn't even 

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believe in God. 
Why would the Lord use him? 

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Well, actually, all the way 
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Lord using unbelievers for his 
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Pharaoh the Lord hardened 
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display his glory and 
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King Cyrus was not a Christian 
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his sovereign plans to 
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The Bible says thus says Cyrus, 
King of Persia, all all the 

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kingdoms of the earth. 
The Lord God of Heaven has given

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me and he has commanded me to 
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which is in Judea. 
God even uses wicked men to do 

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his bidding. 
He used those hateful men to 

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achieve his will by putting his 
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Again the scripture say him. 
That means Jesus being delivered

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by the determined purpose and 
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You have taken by lawless hands,
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whom God raised up, having 
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because it was not possible that
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Did you catch that? 
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crown of thorns, the shame, the 
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as hard as it is for us to 
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will of God. 
Somehow God was orchestrating 

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our salvation through these 
hateful men so that you and I 

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might have forgiveness of sins 
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But this next part is going to 
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Because consider this Jesus 
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knows all things Jesus Christ. 
Before these men were even born,

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he could foresee into the future
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And yet he willingly, obediently
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father asked asked him to do it.
And Jesus did that so that you 

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and I could be saved. 
These things are mysteries. 

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But there's one thing which 
doesn't take a Sherlock to 

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figure out, and it's this. 
Joe Kirby is a Sinner, and so 

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are you. 
And we need the Son of God, the 

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Lord Jesus Christ, to take our 
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and to pay the price for them, 
that you and I can have a fresh 

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start and new beginning in Him. 
So whether you are one of the 

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most loved people on earth, 
whether you've been knighted 

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like Sir David Attenborough or 
if you're more like, if I can 

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say this, those animals which 
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If you've lived a life that is, 
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If that's you, My dear friends, 
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All of us alike need Jesus 
Christ to cleanse us, to scrub 

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away our sins and to give us a 
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And Jesus, as willing as he was 
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more willing to save you today. 
If only you'd come to him. 

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Some people wonder, why would 
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Why would God even love me? 
But it's all you have to do is 

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look at the cross and you'll see
that God wants you saved more 

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than you yourself want to be 
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So rest assured in that. 
So back to our original picture.

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How did I meet David 
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as I thought he would be? 
Well, spoiler alerts, yes, he 

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was a lovely man, but it worked 
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You might not believe this, but 
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wanted to be a wildlife 
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and then later I wanted to be an
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But really when I was young I 
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wildlife world. 
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of thought, well if I can meet 
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as a 15 year old boy, how do I 
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So when I heard that he was 
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copy of his book Life in Cold 
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When my moment came, I knew that
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Do I need to study zoology at 
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I go and study you know, 
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if I want to be a wildlife 
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And David said rather friendly, 
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well, you do need to have 
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stand in front of the camera get
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And he was right, you do need a 
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You need a knowledge of 
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But very sadly I failed because 
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capacity to study this. 
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learn all of these facts and all
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But there's one thing I did find
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knowledge of the Lord Jesus, 
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And something really wonderful 
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the David Attenborough of the 
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big brains, the nobles, the 
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There's not many of those who 
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yet he reveals it to babes to 
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If I can call you a simple soul,
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expresses this. 
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calling brethren, that not many 
wise according to the flesh, not

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many mighty, not many noble are 
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But God has chosen the foolish 
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shame the wise. 
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things of the world to put to 
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mighty. 
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Attenborough, Sir David 
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tiny list of those wise men, 
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are noble, if he joined that 
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Because there are many like me 
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trust in Christ, but there are 
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too. 
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Attenborough, as wise as he is 
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Christ also one day. 
I wonder, now, are some of you 

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starting to piece the puzzles 
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Does it now make sense why I 
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about biblical creatures? 
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about them. 
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blood, I actually made a video 
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snakes that have ever lived. 
If you want to see that more off

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the curb type of video, please 
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And also, if you've noticed, 
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We're actually away right now 
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because I'm dedicated. 
That's why I'm filming here 

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right now. 
I'm dedicated to getting one 

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video out every week this year, 
so please do subscribe because 

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God bless you all and thank you 
for watching.