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Welcome to this Watch live. 
Hi, I'm Lydia Winters. 

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And I'm Boo Booey. 
And today we're talking about 

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movements. 
If you were a movement, what 

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movement would you be? 
Wait. 

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You don't know. 
You would obviously be quartz 

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most accurate. 
Oh, to the second. 

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Although that feels a little bit
like an insult. 

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Wow, OK, I guess we know where 
you stand on Quartz. 

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No, on that. 
My biggest quality is that I'm 

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accurate. 
Oh, well, I was going to say I 

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would be manual wound because I 
like attention daily. 

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OK, as long as they're. 
Both. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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I yeah I think it's definitely 
self deprecation here. 

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OK, we have a question from Jill
at only passing time and it's 

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about movements. 
Hi, Lydian Vu, this is Jill. 

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At only passing time, automatic 
hand wound courts. 

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How do you feel about these 
three types of movements, and 

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how do these feelings manifest 
in your collections? 

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That's a really cool question. 
Thank you Jill for this 

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question. 
I think I it makes sense to 1st 

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categorize these. 
These. 

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Very quickly, very. 
Quickly, because I definitely 

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know very specifically the 
difference between them. 

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You know most. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I know. 

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But in a like loosey goosey way.
That that is your. 

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You see, If only there was a 
movement that represented loosey

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gooseyness, that would be true. 
You are. 

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But OK, OK, there's going to be 
a bunch of generalizations here 

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because there there's always 
these cool things that are being

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done by people and it it changes
the the the typical standard. 

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But in in general there's three 
main types of movements. 

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You have the fully mechanical 
movements, you have either 

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automatic or manual winding. 
Automatic essentially has a self

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winding capacity. 
So usually due to the movement 

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of your wrist, it will wind 
itself. 

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Therefore automatic, it 
automatically powers itself as 

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long as it's being worn. 
And then you have manual winding

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or hand wound movements which 
you have to usually turn the 

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crown and you give it power. 
And you either do that every 

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day, which I typically do if 
it's a hand wound, because 

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otherwise I'll forget because I 
don't have a hand wound movement

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that has a power reserve 
indicator. 

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So I just do it every day. 
I did that with my speedy for 

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many years. 
And then you have Quartz. 

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But first of all, both of those 
are considered mechanical. 

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Yes. 
And then you have quartz which 

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is typically fully battery 
powered and runs electronically 

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and uses. 
The reason it's called quartz is

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because it actually uses a 
quartz crystal in it. 

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I won't go into the scientific 
details that probably more 

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people, but that's how the time 
keeping happens. 

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You heard it here. 
Vu believes in crystals, the 

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magic of crystals magic. 
This is the one crystal that I 

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believe in, the magic of it, 
because when done right, it can 

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be incredibly accurate. 
Then there's other types of 

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movements as well, but that's 
not what Jill was asking. 

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But you have Spring Drive by 
Grand Seiko, which combines some

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of the benefits of both 
mechanical and quartz. 

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You have Mecca quartz movements 
that are most of the ones we see

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are made by Seiko, although 
others do make them. 

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And that's where you actually 
have different parts of the 

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movement, Like a part of it is 
mechanical and a different part 

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is quartz. 
Like you could have a quartz 

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time keeping, but then a 
mechanical chronograph. 

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I like that. 
That's kind of picking and what 

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you think is best for the move. 
For that part, yeah, yeah. 

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It's like what? 
What do you need for the 

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different parts? 
And you, you take the best of 

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each. 
But that's how we're talking 

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about. 
We're going to. 

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Jill only asked about the three 
main ones, which is automatic, 

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manual winding and quartz. 
But. 

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Yes, but. 
When it comes to all of these, I

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think one of the things that 
makes it more difficult, because

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she's specifically was asking 
about how we feel about these 

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different types of movements. 
I grew up wearing quartz 

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watches. 
Yeah, like. 

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Me too. 
I I don't. 

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I didn't have my first 
mechanical watch until, well, I 

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don't, I don't know. 
I was like 30 or something, you 

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know? 
Mine would have been. 

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Around that, yeah. 
Around I was like, what? 

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Yeah, pretty much even. 
Though we're not the same age. 

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Yeah, so like, quartz. 
Just kind of like was the thing.

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And then what often happens with
people is they get into 

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mechanical movements and then 
they shun quartz because it is 

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seen as inferior. 
But just like with mechanical 

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movements where you can buy 
very, very affordable mechanical

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watches, there are affordable 
quartz and there's also much 

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less affordable quartz And and 
you have the high accuracy 

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quartz, which is on another 
level, usually not just in the 

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time keeping, but also in how 
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they are and how serviceable 
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So again, I'm going to bring up 
Grand Seiko because they're very

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well known for this, although 
they're not the only ones. 

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They are making beautiful quartz
movements that are serviceable, 

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that are super accurate. 
So a typical, like if you spend 

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like 40-50 bucks on, you know, 
U.S. 

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Dollars on a quartz watch like 
that movement will probably be 

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accurate within about 15 seconds
a month, which is better than 

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most mechanical movements, yeah.
Right. 

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That's why you're Quartz. 
But then you can get high 

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accuracy quartz movements, which
typically cost quite a bit more,

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and then they're accurate to 
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That's amazing. 
Which is, which is like super 

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accurate. 
And then there's the upper 

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echelon of that, which will be 
accurate to within like a second

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a year and there's there's not 
too many of those. 

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I think there's been, I would 
say it because I've been part of

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the watch community for let's 
say three years. 

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I do think there has been a 
shift in the perception of 

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courts. 
I've it could be because of this

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like very big Cartier boom that 
all of a sudden it's like, well,

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if you want a lot of the older 
Cartier models that are small. 

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Even many of the. 
Many of the current ones, 

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they're courts, so you have to, 
just like you can't be a snob 

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about it if you like the design.
So I have. 

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I have definitely noticed that a
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I mean, there are real benefits 
to courts besides the accuracy. 

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Not everyone cares about 
accuracy, as we have seen. 

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True. 
I don't. 

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I mean if you don't even set. 
Your watch. 

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I do set it. 
I do set it. 

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This is fake. 
News. 

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I'm saying if you don't set your
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Yes, I don't. 
Certainly don't need something 

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that's accurate to within a 
couple seconds a year, right? 

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Like that that that's not 
necessarily a big consideration 

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for you? 
A quartz is set it and forget 

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it. 
So however many years it is, if 

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if it get goes off, that's just.
Luckily, that's what happens. 

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Unless it's like a a digital 
watch, then most quartz watches 

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will still need to be set when 
the time changes. 

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Oh yeah, that is OK. 
So then it does you're. 

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Probably going to be fixing 
that. 

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Right. 
And if we definitely, 

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definitely, probably. 
I mean, one of the things that 

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like I think people go through 
is this, these stages, right, 

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where you you kind of the 
romanticism of a mechanical 

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movement becomes so great that 
you're like quartz is garbage. 

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Like that's just digital 
nothing, you know, like there 

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there's no art in that 
mechanical. 

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You see how intricate these 
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understand how exactly how they 
work fairly easily. 

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You watch your YouTube video and
you're like, oh all these tiny 

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little gears and springs and all
of these tiny parts come 

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together to tell the time and it
is kind of a miracle, right? 

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Like it's it's really amazing 
that that as humans we invented 

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these tiny things that can do 
this. 

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Well, the crystals are doing it.
That's in the. 

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Course, I know. 
I'm just kidding. 

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So, like, I think though over 
time, the magic of the 

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mechanical movement, as you get 
to know it more and more, maybe 

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that goes down, the romanticism 
maybe doesn't, but the magic of 

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it does, and that maybe that can
open you up to, oh, OK spring 

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Dr. Quartz. 
Like that. 

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They're still awesome, and it 
depends on what's important to 

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you in a watch. 
Yeah, I mean, for me, I 

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definitely think hand wound 
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I really love them because they 
can be so much thinner, smaller,

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you know, you can have these 
tiny, like I'm wearing the 

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tiniest Omega right now. 
I didn't even notice what you're

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wearing. 
Bought for me, I guess. 

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I think this was my first 
mechanical watch, 'cause I had 

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the tag Hoyer, which was quartz.
And then Boo gave me the, I mean

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probably 13 millimeters, 15. 
No, it's probably 20. 

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That's probably a 20mm watch. 
Maybe. 

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Maybe it's. 
It's. 

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Very, very tiny and I really 
like. 

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I mean the only way you can have
a movement this small is for it 

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to be manual wound. 
Yeah, I think so. 

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I think. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, I'm sure they could 
make. 

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An automatic movement at the at 
a price point that is 

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successful. 
And that's what ends up being, 

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because that's one of the 
benefits of courts, you can also

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make them incredibly small. 
So they can be small, super 

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accurate and they're very 
durable because they have no 

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moving parts. 
But that hand wound watch from, 

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I don't even remember when it's 
from. 

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I think it has an engraving, I 
guess in the 1960s like. 

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This is the 60s. 
Some of the benefits of a hand 

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wound is they can be more quiet 
because you don't have this 

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oscillating weight that and some
watches can be quite noisy. 

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Which I have to say, I'm going 
to say that my favorite movement

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is actually hand wound. 
Sometimes the the the rotors 

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just getting in the way of 
seeing the movement if you have 

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an open case back. 
I do feel it a lot, actually, on

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certain watches, and I'm kind of
like clunk, clunk, yeah. 

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Or if you, you know, sometimes 
if you move just right, it'll 

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spin really rapidly and you can 
feel that. 

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My IWC 37 O Six really does that
where I'm like, whoa for a 

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second. 
It kind of, yeah, throws me off 

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of it. 
So I do think I really love hand

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wound. 
But to get back to Jill's 

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question of like how it 
manifests in my collecting, I 

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would say because I switch 
watches so often, I don't really

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mind. 
Yeah, like I don't mind if I 

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need to wind it because I'm 
probably not doing it every day.

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And I also it's great if it's 
automatic, but typically I still

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need to set it because I haven't
worn it. 

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Yeah, I think for for the way 
that I wear watches hand wound 

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versus automatic, there is no 
difference maybe the number of 

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times I wind it in the morning, 
but I I essentially wind them 

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both, right, because I switch 
watches every day. 

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But Quartz is the grab and go. 
Yeah, that's true. 

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And. 
Pre Pandemic, like when we were 

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going to the office every day, 
there was a period of time where

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I was like, OK, if I don't have 
time to wind my watch and set 

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it, then I can just grab a 
quartz watch and run out the 

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door and not have to think like 
oh am I going to remember to set

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this later? 
Because I hate that moment 

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halfway through the day when I 
would look at my watch. 

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This has happened to me a few. 
Times Oh, whoa. 

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This just in. 
I look at my watch. 

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You know, maybe sometime around 
lunch. 

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And I'm like, oh, I never set my
watch today. 

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And I just feel so sad that I 
ignored my watch for hours. 

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Oh, no. 
Yeah. 

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Like. 
It doesn't deserve to be ignored

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for so long. 
It feels so sad, right? 

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So. 
Sometimes the grab and go is the

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quartz watch because it's just 
always pretty accurate. 

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Yeah, I mean, we're huge Nomos 
fans and a lot of them are hand 

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wound. 
Yeah, the Alpha caliber, I mean,

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one of the other things I really
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watches is that they feel more 
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me they feel more solid. 
They're usually much thinner as.

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Well, that's the selling point. 
For me, yeah. 

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I mean, there are very thin 
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in general, hand round movements
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movements because you're not 
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Well, it depends. 
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less like each of them. 
Has their own, yeah, merit. 

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That's why they're still all 
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They are still all used. 
They are still all used. 

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But what? 
Wait, so you have, Yeah, we both

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have all three in our 
collections. 

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What? 
What? 

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So back to Jill's question, like
how do you think about it when 

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you're buying a new watch? 
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in the phase where I don't mind 
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look at the price of a quartz 
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doesn't it have a mechanical 
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of the feeling because again, it
does not actually matter to me. 

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I, I, I am not typically like 
comparing movements, but there's

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something about it and it's 
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lot of it has to do with many of
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quartz. 
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medium size like Santos for 
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it's automatic. 
And so you're like oh, but you 

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know, so I think that's the only
time I really think about it. 

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I still forget to change the 
battery. 

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Change the battery. 
Yeah or change the yeah to 

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change the to get the to get the
quartz, change the battery 

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changed. 
In the watches. 

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So like some of them are just 
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Dead watches that are just 
sitting around, but you don't 

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wear them. 
Yeah, no, my Vasheron, 

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Constantine. 
I need. 

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That one's dead. 
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But so I just have it set to 
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it's just pretty jewelry. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Well, I I I don't. 
I'm not going to say that I 

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don't care at all. 
I do think about that. 

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And I do also think about like 
it feels wrong to pay a lot for 

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a quartz watch unless you can 
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So. 
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Watches where when they show the
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typically not an open case back 
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see photos of the movements and 
they are beautifully finished 

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and you know that they there's a
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Then you feel like, oh OK, I'm 
paying more for that. 

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But it's still just this 
programming that we think that 

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quartz is cheap and mechanical 
is expensive. 

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Yeah. 
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Cartier Benoit, Bengal and 
you're like, so much engineering

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goes into making this like 
perfect piece of gold that wraps

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around the wrist. 
Yes, it's quartz, but that 

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doesn't take away all of the 
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So I'm team. 
Any movement, Yay. 

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I I. 
Also am because on yeah, we. 

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Both are. 
It doesn't matter at all because

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at the end of the day, most of 
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I like how they look and feel as
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them. 
But then on another level, it 

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matters so, so much. 
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Both. 
It's both. 

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It's Yes and. 
Well, we thank Jill so much for 

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submitting this question. 
And a reminder to everyone else,

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you can easily submit audio 
questions. 

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Just record them on your phone 
and e-mail them to questions at 

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this Watch life.com. 
Yes. 

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And you can tell us which 
movement you would be and why. 

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Or your favorite. 
Yeah, or. 

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Your favorite. 
Bye. 

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Bye everyone.