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Welcome to this watch life. 
Hi, I'm Lydia Winters and today 

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we're talking about Enthusiast 
or collector. 

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Which one are you? 
Wait, which one are you? 

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Well, but that spoils the whole 
episode. 

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If I say it. 
Can I say it at the end? 

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OK. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Yeah, yeah, it would make my my 
viewpoint like too immediate. 

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But anyway, this came about from
a post by Average Watches 

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yesterday where he actually 
wrote about this. 

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Are you a watch enthusiast or a 
watch collector? 

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He writes I have owned many 
watches over the years, but I'm 

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still hesitant to call myself a 
collector. 

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I think I have an association in
my head that a collector is 

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someone who is knowledgeable and
knows all the different 

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references and variations in 
typography used on the dial. 

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I also feel like the intention 
behind acquiring watches is a 

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differentiator. 
I think a collector acquires 

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watches for the enjoyment of 
owning them, whereas I just 

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enjoy experiencing them and 
would be just as happy borrowing

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a friend's watch. 
Happier even since I didn't even

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have to spend my money. 
Really, I just think calling 

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myself an enthusiast and not a 
collector takes the pressure off

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any expectations people may have
of me in this hobby. 

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Yeah, so there is a lot here and
I also. 

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Borrowing. 
I well, OK. 

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You're like it's no you'd be. 
Happier to not even own a watch.

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No, no. 
OK. 

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I can let that part go. 
Yes but I really do I I 

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understand and feel a lot of 
these ways especially when he 

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talks about this sort of the 
association in your head about 

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collector that it can feel like 
a lot of hurdles to jump like 

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you really need to be and and 
you know like knowledge 

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knowledgeable is subjective. 
I'm like if I I guess a good way

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to say it is you like. 
People ask me if I'm a 

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photographer and sometimes I say
no. 

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You not sometimes. 
You almost always. 

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The other day. 
We're at our local Lovely. 

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Cafe. 
Medmeg and this really cool 

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woman starts talking to Lydia. 
She's got cool style. 

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Her kid is dressed in this 
really like cool kind of hipster

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little jacket and she notices 
Lydia's wonderful little cute 

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like AQ3 and says, oh, are you a
photographer? 

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And Lydia's like, Oh no, no, I'm
just a hobbyist. 

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I just I just own this thing. 
It's really embarrassing that I 

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do that. 
And then and then it turns out 

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she's this really fantastic 
photographer. 

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So maybe you had that vibe and 
you get worried about claiming 

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that you are something that you 
feel you can't live up to that 

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title. 
Yeah, it is it. 

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It does feel like for me it's 
born out of insecurity, which 

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I'm like, oh so like. 
And what did I tell you right 

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away? 
The. 

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Words like stop saying no 
because this has happened 

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before. 
You're not a photographer, you 

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are a recognized by 
publications, by camera 

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companies, by all of these 
things as a great photographer. 

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And also, people don't need to 
be at the level that you. 

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Have achieved. 
In order to call themselves a. 

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Photographer you. 
Got to own that and it's the 

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similar. 
It's similar with watch. 

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Collecting, it's very similar 
with with like to how I feel 

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watch collecting. 
And especially at the beginning 

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when someone was like, oh, 
you're a watch collector, I 

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would be like, no. 
And then they're like, how many 

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watches do you have? 
It's like 20, you know. 

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And so I think it's when you get
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then like within the community 
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categorizations, which is like 
very psychological. 

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I was looking at that like, you 
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categorize things and that's 
that's fun in this case, but it 

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can be like harmful if it 
creates like exclusion and it's 

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like, hey, you're not a 
collector. 

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So to me it's really about like 
for. 

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These reasons, Yeah, you're not 
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in the example of you as a a 
photographer and claiming that 

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you're a photographer, but also 
in the example that Average 

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Watches gives. 
Here about feeling like he's not

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knowledgeable enough to be 
considered a collector comes 

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from real stuff. 
Oh, yes, because. 

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There are real people who have 
challenged you as a photographer

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or you in in your job or you 
throughout your life as like 

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you're not good enough to be 
this. 

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Yes, and. 
People, I I have read, you know,

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posts and articles and listened 
to podcasts where people define 

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what a watch collector is. 
And some of them set a very high

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bar. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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And so if you hear that, then 
that's going to make you more 

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insecure. 
Yeah, you never. 

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You'll never reach it. 
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Don't want to claim it like 
something that you don't think 

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you are, that that you aren't 
good enough or that you aren't 

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knowledgeable enough or cool 
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aren't expensive enough. 
Then you're even more insecure. 

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And you don't want to say like, 
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have someone mock you for that. 
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seem like, based on what they 
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disagree that you are a watch 
collector or a photographer or 

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whatever that is. 
Yeah, and it it is, it's not 

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like that You don't want 
someone. 

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You don't want to say a label 
and then someone perceives it as

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wrong. 
But then I'm like, it's my 

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label. 
Because guess what? 

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The definition of a collector is
just a person who collects 

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things of a specified type 
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And to collect. 
There are multiple definitions 

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and it's to systematically seek 
and acquire items of a 

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particular kind as a hobby or 
just accumulate over a period of

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time. 
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accumulating over a period of 
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I'm just accumulating like. 
So it doesn't actually have to 

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be that you need to like. 
The specifications could just be

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watches. 
Some people have more of like a 

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niche like vintage watches. 
Or you know, you can like add 

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another word on to what type of 
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But I do think you still are a 
collector. 

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I think it's also very similar 
with photography. 

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It's like I am a watch 
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adding another word to kind of 
like make it more descriptive. 

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But that doesn't mean that I'm 
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also not a collector. 
So it's like a vintage collector

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or maybe someone just has, you 
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know? 
Or like I'm an oyster perpetual.

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Collector You are definitely a 
Rolex OP. 

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A colorful Rolex OP. 
Collector, that's a lot of 

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that's you know then there's 
very few of us in that. 

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But the thing I like about the 
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that it And I think the reason 
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this for certain, but I feel 
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is it does create even more like
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like hey come on in and. 
There's a definition in the in 

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the name too. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Are you enthusiastic about 
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Yes or no. 
Yes, you are. 

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An enthusiast, and I think that 
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well. 
Do you collect things? 

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Then you are a Collector. 
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apart is that people have a 
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collect like what is a 
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Yeah, I mean, finds that I was 
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because I've been like, oh, if 
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a collection and you're a 
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Said it before. 
Lower the the hurdle. 

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But then I also think about 
things like, you know, I have a 

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lot of cameras, but I don't 
consider myself a camera 

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collector. 
I don't consider myself a purse 

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collector, a shoe, you know? 
So to me, it's like your own 

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mindset and then you get to 
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That's what I think it all is 
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Yeah, I really do. 
OK, so as I thought through this

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because I I thought through and 
I I did look some stuff up, but 

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also just from memory I made a 
list of like where I think 

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different people start to depart
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I think most people would agree 
if you only buy Rolex explorers 

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from different eras, different 
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condition like you're a 
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And an enthusiast because, 
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You probably probably. 
Well, and it. 

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Depends, because if you, you may
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enthusiast. 
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explorers because you want to 
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them and you're not really that 
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are, but you see them more as an
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Perhaps you wouldn't consider 
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I don't think that's the most 
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Do think. 
You could collect without 

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enthusiasm. 
True. 

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Enthusiast is just a person who 
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particular activity or subject. 
Yeah, it doesn't add or take 

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away if you make money off of 
it. 

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No, I guess it. 
Doesn't, you know. 

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So if you're very interested, 
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But OK, so so I I think most, by
most definitions I've seen, they

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would say if you collect, if you
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then you're a watch collector, 
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And then you could even go more 
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What if you only own a bunch of 
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Definitely A. 
Collector you have like. 

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One, by the definitions I've 
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So then if we go more broad, 
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Like just Seiko watches? 
There's some dive watches, some 

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dress watches, but they're 
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Would you consider that a 
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You would. 
But I think this is where some 

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people start to diverge. 
They think it's too broad. 

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Or what if you were like, I only
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Still a collector right to. 
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Me. 
And to you, what if you collect 

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only watches? 
Because that's you and me. 

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We have different brands, 
different styles, different 

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colors, different eras, 
different manufacturers, 

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different price points, like 
super broad collections. 

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I would consider ours right? 
But I still consider it a 

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collection of watches because 
like, you could take this to the

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next. 
Like what? 

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If you're like, oh, I only 
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You can do that if you want. 
It's it's it's weird, but I 

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collect watches so I can't 
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You know, like it's where do you
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And to me, since collector is 
not something that you go to 

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school for and there's no ploma 
for it, there's no business 

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license, you don't have to put 
it on a business. 

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It's not like if I said like, 
please call me Doctor Lydia 

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Winters would be. 
Different I I think there's. 

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A. 
There is a very clear 

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definition. 
Definition of what is or isn't a

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Doctor. 
That sounds good, but I'm not 

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going to school for it. 
There's no award, there's no 

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medal you wear, right? 
So then to be a collector, in my

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mind, you just have to feel it 
yourself that you are a 

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collector. 
It is interesting though when I 

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think about it, the perception 
of people like I talked about at

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the beginning of the outside 
versus inside, inside the 

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community there are different 
like levels of things. 

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And you know, we we put 
ourselves against like we're 

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looking at some of the best, 
like the the most prolific 

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collections. 
And so then we're like that is a

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collector. 
I have 20 watches that are you 

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know, whatever and all over the 
place and they have this very 

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specific thing and this 
beautiful taste and like that 

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can be. 
So we do that within. 

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But then like I said, if I'm 
talking to someone and they're 

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like, oh, you have like some 
watches and I'm like, Oh yeah, I

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have 20, they're like, oh, 
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Like, no, no, no, no, You don't 
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I haven't put the narrow enough 
guardrails around my collection 

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to be considered. 
I wouldn't say, you know, so I 

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do think that's kind of funny 
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It's, it's back to me and my 
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photographer. 
It's like, well yeah, I 

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obviously AM, but it's the 
inside definition that I'm like,

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oh, but I'm not, you know, it's 
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there as the main descriptor and
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It's because your intention is 
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talk about them, which fits 
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people ask me. 
I do not call myself a collector

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though. 
Even though I have a fairly 

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broad definition of collecting, 
I don't believe that the 

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collecting is what I enjoy about
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I believe it's the enthusiasm. 
So to me, like when when someone

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asks me, oh, you own a bunch of 
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What do you do? 
Like do you work in watches? 

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And I I almost always say, Oh 
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and I have a watch podcast. 
Yeah, again, you're like not a 

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collector though I I actually 
just say watch nerd. 

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For me that's the that's the 
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doesn't even matter. 
It's more just like it's a 

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because again enthusiast isn't 
even used for every like 

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community. 
No. 

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So I just the shorthand is like,
I'm a watch nerd and then I'm 

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like, how nerdy? 
Watch podcast how nerdy. 

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As we know, the most definitive 
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I asked ChatGPT 4. 
OK. 

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What is a watch collector? 
OK, tell us. 

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I'm not going to read the whole 
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quite wordy like me. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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But just from the beginning, I 
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A watch collector is someone who
actively seeks out, acquires and

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possibly curates a collection of
watches. 

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And then it goes on to say, all 
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I like that it says possibly 
curate. 

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Possible, and it really doesn't 
put any limits on like, oh watch

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collections need to be a certain
way and I really like that. 

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Yeah, I think that if we allow 
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enough that each person can like
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it, it doesn't create as much 
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just allows it to be open and. 
And also, who does it hurt? 

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No it doesn't. 
Hurt anyone? 

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Not saying. 
You disagree? 

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Yeah, exactly. 
It does hurt people if you claim

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to be a doctor and you're not. 
That would be painful. 

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We. 
Don't want to see so I am both. 

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I am an enthusiast and a 
collector I think. 

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We're going to say Doctor. 
No, I'm not. 

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A doctor. 
What are you? 

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Let us know. 
Bye.