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It's episode 14 of this. 
Watch live. 

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Hi, I'm Liddy Winters. 
And I'm Boo Booey. 

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And today we are going to 
discuss sentimental value in 

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watches. 
Go back in time with me to the 

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beaches of Florida. 
When I was a kid growing up, I 

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always had a treasure box of 
like random items that provoked 

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a memory so it could be like 
something nice someone wrote. 

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So that would go in there and 
like a lot of rocks, more than 

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shells. 
I just love collecting rocks. 

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There's a lot of rocks here. 
I do know this. 

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I'm not even going to get into 
the rocks that are all over our 

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house. 
I just love rocks. 

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But what I realized recently is 
like when I am opening my watch 

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box, it feels a bit like that, 
those old treasure boxes, but 

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not in a good way. 
OK, in a good way sometimes, but

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I also feel like what I used to 
do is always like cool down the 

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treasure box, you know? 
So it's like you're when you. 

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Were young. 
Even when I was young, it would 

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be like. 
It didn't forever grow. 

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No, it didn't forever grow. 
It always, like, stayed 

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contained in the box. 
And so you're like this thing 

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I'd like, I don't this isn't my 
good friend anymore or whatever.

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So you're like, taking things 
out. 

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And what I'm realizing is that 
my watch box needs some of this,

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but I have attached too much 
sentimental value to everything.

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OK. 
I I mean, I do understand that. 

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Well, yes, yes, I. 
But it's forced. 

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Yeah. 
Is what you're you're worried 

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about that the sentimental value
you've attached to it is 

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unnecessary. 
It's not. 

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Sentimental enough? 
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Well, because, OK, watch 
collecting is essentially 

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justifying. 
Yes, because you only need one 

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watch. 
People debate if you even need 

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one. 
I'm not even going to go there. 

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So let's say you only need one. 
But then, in order to justify 

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this hobby, you, you. 
Kind of value out of other 

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things. 
And some of those values are 

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like, oh, this is a tool watch 
which performs a specific task. 

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Some of those values may be oh, 
this has a certain look to it, 

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the colors, the materials made, 
so it goes with certain outfits 

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or or certain times. 
And then there's the. 

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Milestones. 
Yeah. 

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Milestones. 
Presence this like I I mean, you

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have a watch that you just said 
was for the pandemic. 

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I don't even know what. 
I I It wasn't even at the 

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beginning or the end of the 
pandemic. 

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It was during. 
Middle of the pandemic and on my

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list because I like to make 
lists and and and assign these 

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values justification values. 
I put that that the Rolex Oyster

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Perpetual 41 Green was my 
pandemic watch. 

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Okay. 
Yes, So, but I mean. 

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Because I couldn't think of 
anything better. 

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No, but okay So sentimental 
value is the value of an object 

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deriving from personal or 
emotional associations rather 

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than material worth. 
But the reason I'm talking about

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this is because in the case of 
watches, it is also material 

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worth. 
These are not like sheets of 

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paper with nice things that you 
just like. 

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Stow away when OK, well, I would
say keep them forever, but OK. 

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No, you because you you talked. 
About. 

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You talked about culling, Yes, 
yes, right. 

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And if you have objects with no 
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right, Monetary worth, then 
culling just typically would 

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mean throwing them away, unless 
they could be useful to someone 

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else. 
And maybe then it's donating, 

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like if it's clothes or that 
kind of stuff. 

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But with watches, you can't do 
that. 

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Culling is a much. 
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And you have a lot of sentiments
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I was looking online, I wanted 
to see like, what are people 

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saying about sentimental value? 
Most of it was like sentimental 

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value is perfect milestone. 
Buy presents, Buy. 

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So wait, most of what you found 
was sentimental value with 

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watches, yes. 
Yeah, basically. 

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Yeah, yeah, do do that. 
So you buy more. 

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But I really loved our good 
friend Ricardo Seemay. 

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Ready set. 
Watch on Instagram. 

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He wrote an article for Time and
Tide, and it's called 

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Sentimental value can be the 
nemesis of an Evolving 

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collector. 
Oh, that's a hot take. 

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Yeah, but I was like, it is. 
I mean, even the other day you 

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said I would totally be A1 watch
guy, but I've actually I had 

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since I already have a few 
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Might as well go all in. 
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So to me it's like, OK, I would 
love to be a one watch collector

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or maybe more realistically A3 
watch collector because if you 

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take sentimental value out of 
it, you can easily justify 3 

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watches for three different 
types of activities in your 

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life. 
But my I have sentimental value 

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in more than three watches and 
they wouldn't be the watches. 

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I would choose to be a three 
watch collection. 

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So then it's too late. 
That's why you then then I think

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that justifies going all in with
a you know multi dozen. 

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Yeah, perfect. 
You're like 3 or 100. 

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There's no in between. 
But so one watch in particular 

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that sticks out in my mind is in
2012, very randomly and as a 

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surprise VU bought me brought 
home A tag Hoyer link. 

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It has diamonds around it. 
It has pink guiche. 

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It is really adorable. 
A very small watch like I love 

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it. 
It fit my style at the time. 

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Oh, you're. 
Wearing it, yes, I have it on 

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right now, but it does not fit 
my style at. 

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All. 
Not at all. 

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Not now. 
Later, Vu got me the Cartier 

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tank solo in rose gold. 
That's the watch that got me 

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into watches. 
But it wasn't the first luxury 

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watch. 
This was. 

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This was but is first like, is 
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I'm asking. 
I'm like really struggling with 

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this because I've talked about 
selling it. 

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You have said do it, buy 
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sell it, buy something else with
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I'd rather you sell it there. 
There's so many reasons. 

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So, OK, OK, if we're looking at 
the reasons that these 

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sentimental values can be 
negative, it's like there's a 

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watch. 
It's still a nice watch. 

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It's just not a watch for you. 
Someone else could be enjoying 

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that. 
Watch I. 

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Know that's what I feel, sad for
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And on top of that, you could 
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selling that watch to put into 
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like more. 
Yeah, and I've done like I have 

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told you to do the same thing, 
but I I don't follow my own 

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advice. 
But as an example, like for my 

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38th birthday, you bought me a 
Nomos Orion 38, which is kind of

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cool, 3838. 
And at the time, I loved that 

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watch and it was perfect. 
And at the time, I was trying to

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wear a little bit more dressy 
clothes, you know, just 2015 and

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I, my style has changed a lot as
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And that watch no longer fit 
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though I do think it's, it's 
quite an adaptable watch. 

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It just didn't feel right 
anymore. 

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So you told me sell it like. 
Put the money into a new watch 

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you'll wear. 
Put that on me, that you're 

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keeping this watch. 
Sell it. 

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And I sold it and I put that 
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campus Club 38 Electric Green. 
So it's like I traded it for 

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something that now I wear quite 
often. 

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Yeah, but the green doesn't 
really have any sentimental 

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value. 
No. 

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So so that like it didn't 
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It would transfer like, Oh yeah,
I'm moving the sentimental value

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of this Orion over into this 
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It doesn't. 
Work. 

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You just take the ghost of 
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over. 
There I did a whole ceremony. 

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It just didn't work. 
It just didn't work. 

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Yeah, I I've got really deep 
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items and just how how we'd like
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and sentimental value. 
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Russell Belk, and he did this 
really cool kind of philosophy 

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around possessions and the 
extended self that I feel like 

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really applies very, very 
significantly to watch 

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collecting. 
So he says in his article, 

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Possessions are central to our 
sense of self. 

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For better or for worse, our 
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eyes, our past, our present, and
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They may even provide a type of 
immortality when they were 

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remain attached to our identity 
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Shallow, shallow materialism has
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there is another sense in which 
our treasured possessions 

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provide a focus of attachment in
an age of otherwise disposable 

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consumption. 
Possessions also provide a sense

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of stability and continuity in 
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And our relationship with 
possessions is seldom just a 

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person thing relationship, but 
rather a person thing person 

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relationship as they connect us 
to remind us of, and announce 

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something about us to various 
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Right. 
There's like a million things 

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that apply to watch collecting 
in here. 

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I think the biggest thing is 
what I think about definitely no

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shallow materialism at all with 
no, no, no, no. 

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It's definitely the deeper A. 
Sense of stability and 

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continuity in our lives. 
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When I think about watches, 
treasured possessions, that was 

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my favorite part. 
I I think there's a lot to be 

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said about that. 
But I although I do think with 

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watch collecting it, it can 
become very different because 

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you have watches that are 
sentimental to you because of a 

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person. 
And then you have that other 

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side of watch collecting where 
people talk about building 

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memories in a watch. 
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some it it might be the birth of
a child, it might be a wedding, 

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then it's very related to 
another person, but it may be 

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trips, travel, all these other 
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So when I think about my first 
Rolex Explorer 2, and yes, it 

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was my first Rolex Explorer 2 
that I bought in 2014, talked 

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about in a recent episode. 
I went everywhere with that 

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watch and did everything with 
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It was my dress watch. 
It was my adventure watch. 

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It was. 
I just wore it all the time. 

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It traveled to six continents 
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I mean, it truly went everywhere
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And then, you know, my life 
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I had lost a bunch of weight. 
I had convinced myself the watch

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was way too big on my wrist and 
I sold it. 

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And that was a huge regret. 
So much so that I just bought 

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the new one when it came out a 
few months later because I just 

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regretted it and I wanted my 
watch back and the model change 

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between these two watches, which
I'll link to in the description 

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of this post. 
Like there's not a lot of 

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differences, so they look almost
exactly the same. 

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And in photos, they definitely 
look exactly the same. 

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So. 
Then and you have photos of all 

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the times you wore it all around
the world, like cool things. 

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All the memories are still 
there. 

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Exactly. 
And when I look at a photo of us

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in Nepal, in the mountains, and 
I'm wearing that watch, it looks

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the same as the watch that I 
have right now. 

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But. 
Some days I feel like yes, this 

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is just a continuation of my 
Rolex Explorer 2 Polar journey, 

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and some days I feel like no, 
this is just a cheap copy that 

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never did any of those things. 
It's not the treasured 

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possession. 
It's not the treasured 

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possession. 
So you're saying don't sell the 

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tag, Hoyerly? 
No, you definitely sell the tag 

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because. 
I don't have as much memories 

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wrapped up in it. 
It really is more about first 

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and I think in Ricardo's article
he talks about this starts from 

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this sense of like I have too 
many watches, but my first watch

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like do I keep it out of first 
and that. 

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Yeah, I guess you can value 
these sentiments differently, 

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yes, and. 
Sentimental, higher sentimental 

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value, Hierarchy of watch 
collecting. 

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But. 
I also think in this case with 

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with your tag, the person who 
who gives you the most amount of

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meaning for that watch like it's
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also was from me. 
Yes, I'm saying sell it. 

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Yes, I know, but what does 
everyone else think? 

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OK, that's a good question. 
What does everyone else think? 

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Yeah, I mean, is it OK to sell 
your first luxury watch? 

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Because I didn't sell mine my. 
Tell you still have it. 

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Still have it and it isn't my 
style right now. 

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But you've been wearing it more.
Force myself to wear it and I 

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enjoy wearing it. 
And I've done that with this, 

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but it's still pretty sporadic. 
Yeah, like once a year. 

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In three years, yeah. 
But I think, I mean, for me, 

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there's like, like, in this 
article, it talks about, like, 

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the immortality of, like, having
this thing that like lives on 

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after death, which is obviously 
something people talk a lot 

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about with like passing down 
watches. 

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We're not having kids. 
So I'm like, who wants this tag 

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Hoyer link? 
Not my nephew. 

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No one in our family to say 
like, oh wow, Vu gave this to 

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Aunt Lydia. 
You know it was the first you. 

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Know like they want your OP 
collection. 

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Yeah, definitely. 
But there is a bit of that, I 

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think maybe if I start to think 
about like what is the actual 

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story behind it? 
And this is just a watch you 

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brought home one day and it 
happened to be the first, 

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Whereas when I think of and tell
the story of the Cartier tank 

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you gave me. 
That's a different thing. 

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It it's like that's really the 
emotion so maybe what we need to

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do and watch collecting. 
I'm saying this for myself too 

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is like extrapolate those two 
things. 

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Like is it is it sentiment I 
tried to create to justify? 

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Totally fine. 
We all do it. 

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Or is this really an item that I
want to have forever and don't 

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want it to sit sadly in its 
watch box without any love or 

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wear? 
Wow, that was deep. 

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That was deep, deep enough for 
water resistance. 

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Oh no. 
What's the What's the bars? 

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Thank you. 
Thank you everybody. 

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Have a wonderful day. 
Bye.