1 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,680 Welcome to this Watch live. Hi, I'm Lydia Winters. 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,440 And I'm Boo booing. And today is a holiday in 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:15,600 Sweden. It is. 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,120 But I love you all so much. I'm still up in the morning 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,800 recording. That's like a high level of 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,160 love. That's why I'm saying it. 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,720 I mean, last night you did say like, hey, wait, tomorrow's a 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,040 holiday. Should we record? 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,880 I was like, oh man, we didn't tell anyone. 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,080 Yeah, we. Can't just disappear. 11 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,560 But anyway, that's just to say thank you for being here. 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,000 You're amazing. Super happy to be here today. 13 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:41,640 Well, not you. I meant the listeners. 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:48,560 No, I was saying that to them. Today we have a question. 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,560 Hi, Lydia. Hey Vu, this is Jim in 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,160 California. Got a question about dates in 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,480 three parts. How important is it to you? 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,200 What percentage of your collection has a date and where 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,240 do you like it to be? 3 o'clock? 20 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:13,240 6:00 That weird 430 o'clock? Looking forward to your answer. 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,320 Love the podcast. Thanks a lot. 22 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:18,560 Bye. I love dates. 23 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,400 Done. Answer complete. 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,120 Lydia loves dates. Yes, I this is such a great 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,880 question. Dates seem to be like the 26 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,440 biggest platform for certain people's complaints, yeah? 27 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,840 But that's because there's different choices, so that's 28 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,040 what. We love many choices. 29 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,560 That's why we all love debating and watches is anything that has 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,560 multiple choices where you can say your choice is wrong. 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,000 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is. 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,560 Not all of the above. Yours is awful. 33 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,000 I think maybe when I really just first started getting into the 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,720 watch enthusiast community like this is, you know, over 10 years 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,320 ago, just so back then it was mainly like forums. 36 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,960 I I think I learned very quickly that date was something you 37 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,600 can't just take for granted whether or not there's a date. 38 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,640 Where is the date? How is it executed? 39 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:18,680 Does it have a little baby cyclops? 40 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,160 Very divisive. Yeah, that's its own. 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,880 That's its own full podcast of people hating the cyclops. 42 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:31,640 But I I do think this is the source of much complaining, but 43 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:34,920 then also the opposite of what is the opposite of complaining? 44 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:37,600 Joy. I guess is it? 45 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,240 Is it though? I don't think so. 46 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:40,800 I don't know. Complaints. 47 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,920 Oh yeah, I definitely don't think the opposite of 48 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,480 complaining is counter complaints I like. 49 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:47,320 Counter. Yeah. 50 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:48,480 OK. No. 51 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,920 I like when people complain that I can counter complain. 52 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,120 Yeah, that's, yeah, that's very you. 53 00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:00,520 OK so I wanted to 1st go over like some of the common issues 54 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,680 that I've seen people talk about when it comes to the the hot 55 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,560 topic of days. The the first one is of course 56 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,920 like whether or not the date should exist on a watch. 57 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,360 OK, well yeah, you can debate that. 58 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,800 I think it's more of if it's important to you, is it useful 59 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,920 to your everyday like it is you. This is useful to a lot of 60 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:29,040 people. Yeah, and if if someone says but 61 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,440 I don't care about the date, well, you can't really argue 62 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,000 that. It's like, OK then for you, I 63 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,000 totally understand why. What you're saying is you do not 64 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,840 care what date it is, or you don't need a watch to tell you 65 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,960 what date it is and you already know from other ways, then 66 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,000 you're good to go. So this is hard to argue 67 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,440 against, but the next one would be that dates don't fit the 68 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,640 style of the watch. Like the specific date on a 69 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,600 specific model. Just any day answer SO. 70 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,240 Like OK. Certain styles of watch should 71 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,360 not have a date like a dive watch. 72 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,760 And the argument is, you know, dive watch is meant for diving 73 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,160 when you're underwater looking at sharks. 74 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,680 Like what if you have to write a check and you're like, what's 75 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:11,840 the day to? A shark. 76 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,240 Yeah, a shark. Check. 77 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,200 You're underwater. You don't need the date because 78 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,120 you're not underwater for multiple days at a time. 79 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,120 So the date is not valuable to you at all. 80 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,000 And I I do remember I read an article, I don't know, fairly 81 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:33,240 recently and it was about the Reggae type 20 release and the 82 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,360 person was arguing that a fighter pilot like they go up 83 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,000 and fight for just a few hours. There is no reason that there's 84 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,240 a date on that watch. And so then to me, I was like, 85 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:49,040 so are we of the mindset that even back in the day when these 86 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,800 watches were the tools that needed to be used, that after 87 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,000 you were done doing the thing you were doing like you have to? 88 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,720 Take that watch. Off or or fighter piloting. 89 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,840 I think that's what it's called. You would just take off that 90 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:03,400 watch and put on your Normie watch. 91 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,320 Yeah, it definitely. It just feels like, isn't that 92 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,880 just, you know, go anywhere, do anything, watch. 93 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,440 You're like sometimes I'm you know, but maybe. 94 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,920 It wasn't like. Writing checks and sometimes I'm 95 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,480 a fighter pilot 'cause like. This guy. 96 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,320 So now people wear dive computers when they dive, right? 97 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,960 But you probably don't wear your dive computer all day. 98 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,960 You put it on to do the dive. So if a dive watch was truly 99 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,040 considered just a diving tool, then maybe they did just put it 100 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,680 on, go for the dive, come out, and then they take it off and 101 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,240 they'd put on their other watch. I guess it's possible. 102 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,880 I don't know. I wasn't a diver in the 1950s. 103 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,960 Yeah, I don't know if you knew that. 104 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:45,120 I did. But the color of the date wheel 105 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,840 is also another huge issue. For people, this is my platform, 106 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:54,080 though before I was like anyone can have anything they want, no. 107 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,960 So OK, first of all, I still agree anyone can have it. 108 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:02,160 It's just that the color of the date wheel bothers me immensely 109 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,640 depending on the look of the watch. 110 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,720 So I can't say that like I only like it if it matches or I only 111 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,520 like it if it doesn't watch. Here's the thing, I think that a 112 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,120 lot of date wheels that are matching, I'm doing air quotes, 113 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:21,320 so you already know my feelings. Air quotes, again, no, they 114 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,480 don't actually match because the look of the dial is like a 115 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,480 slightly different blue or a slight and then no. 116 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,680 Which is? A no go fan from a 117 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,960 manufacturing. Process, but not for Lydia likes 118 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,000 it. Stamp of approval because I just 119 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,920 find that very jarring. I actually prefer the date 120 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:46,800 window to be the the contrast color I think to me like for my 121 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,800 sensibilities. I really like that I did love 122 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:53,600 popping crowns. Chris one of our friends of the 123 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:59,160 podcast, he actually just posted about the new Tudor chronograph. 124 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:04,560 The pink one, the inner Miami CF watch you can tell I don't 125 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,600 sports and he's he said he loved it because of the pink but then 126 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,480 he said the non color matched wheel would have bothered me 127 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,680 forever. So I I do agree that like the 128 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:21,000 color of the date wheel and the placement can be a go or no go 129 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,800 on a watch. I disagree on this point Chris 130 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,080 though, 'cause I actually like the complimentary the white. 131 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,760 It matches the indices. And so to me. 132 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,280 I think they probably would have made the pink a little wrong and 133 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,880 then I would have hated. It I think typically when people 134 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,040 are complaining about the non color match date wheel, it's 135 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,560 that it's just white. Yeah, it's like which is the 136 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,640 default, right? It's just a white disc, and I 137 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,520 think that works really well when your indices are also 138 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:50,560 white. Yes, agree. 139 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:56,040 And large and I think it can maybe stand out in not the most 140 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,920 complementary way If your indices are different, like if 141 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:03,520 you just have metal indices or or or, the shape of them doesn't 142 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,440 work out well to. Have oh the I forgot the shape 143 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,640 of the date we. Know. 144 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,320 Sometimes you get some weird ones. 145 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:12,320 For me. Weird. 146 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:13,120 Weird. For me. 147 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,080 For you. OK. 148 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,080 But before we actually talk about the positions, I wanted to 149 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,560 do quick history. It seems like in 1915 like a 150 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,480 very small brand did the first date window, but then actually 151 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,520 Movado was the first cereal produced watch with a date 152 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,400 window in 1915. And then it took another 15 153 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,440 years, until in 1930 a swish company called Mimo actually 154 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,520 introduced a date window at 3:00, which counters people who 155 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:49,480 said that Rolex originated it in 1945. 156 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,000 With the date just it's more that Rolex popularized. 157 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,160 Popularized. Popularized in 1945, and then it 158 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,440 became more of a standard. It's interesting that individual 159 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,120 brands do a great job of celebrating the anniversaries of 160 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,400 their accomplishments. But then like you have something 161 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,880 like the first date ever. It's not like a bunch of brands 162 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,400 came together and they're like we're doing a big deal about. 163 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,600 Dates this year exactly. It kind of trickles out. 2015 164 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,680 wasn't like the year of date. Watch. 165 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:24,280 No. And I mean even if you look at 166 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:29,240 this, so Movado is 15 years before the 1st Switch Swiss 167 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:34,600 watch brand at 1930 and then Rolex introduces it at 1945. 168 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,760 So you can really see how this. Was slow. 169 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,760 This was slow back then. Oh, this? 170 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,240 Well, this how slow the watch industry is. 171 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,200 Maybe it's speed up a. Little anymore. 172 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,720 Things were different back then. But yeah, so 3:00 is the most 173 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,640 popular. It's the default date position. 174 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,360 If you're putting a date on a watch, it's probably at 3:00. 175 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,040 O'clock Yes, and I have a. So to actually answer the 176 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:05,760 question, I have quite a few date watches and mainly there at 177 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,520 3:00. So my Rolex Day trust which you 178 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,160 know those started in 1945 has it. 179 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:20,160 And then also my GMT master two, my tutor mini sub, probably a 180 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,160 lot of other ones that I'm getting. 181 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,880 My Seiko. Yes. 182 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,400 So many. Yep. 183 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,880 Your IWC probably should have looked at these. 184 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,160 So mostly. So any anyway to say? 185 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,120 Mostly I'm a 3:00. You are mostly 3. 186 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,120 O'clock, but I do have. Because you chose that? 187 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,600 Or is it because that's the default? 188 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:41,520 Could be a bit of both, but I do have a watch. 189 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,280 That is what brings us to our next one, which is 6:00. 190 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,000 Yeah. And that is my Oris cotton 191 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:49,960 candy. Yes. 192 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,800 Yeah. And I diver 65. 193 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:57,480 The 6:00 is like popular for some people because at least it 194 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:02,760 keeps the dials symmetrical. You know when it's at 3:00 or 195 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,560 any other position but but six or 12:00? 196 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,480 Then it's it's You've got a little bit of asymmetry going. 197 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,840 Well, yeah, I mean everything is weighted towards the 3:00 side 198 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,480 including the crown. So you actually do have that. 199 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:21,240 I I like that look, but I also really like the date window on 200 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,240 at six. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it it, it is a 201 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,960 nice place to put it. But then there's the as, as Jim 202 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:35,280 said, the 4:30 o'clock position, which I've seen mostly on like 203 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,920 Seiko's and Zenith, like the Zenith El Primero. 204 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:46,320 I like this one because it doesn't replace an index, it's 205 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,880 tucked in between. OK, I've not seen every single 206 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,040 one, but typically when I see this, it's tucked in between the 207 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,480 4:00 and 5:00 indices. So then you still have all your 208 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,840 indices, you're not breaking that up, and you also get to 209 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,800 have a date. But this is where the shape 210 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,880 starts getting weird. The shape of the window. 211 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,840 Yeah, it can. Because it's, you're on the 212 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,160 curve. Yeah, yeah. 213 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,280 You're on the curve. Things you have to figure out, 214 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,880 like which thing is I don't, I don't hate it. 215 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,320 But it's still, it's like it's not really like it's not a box 216 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,720 at that point. It's like becoming something 217 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,440 else. Yeah, typically not. 218 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,560 Then you have the 9:00 position, which is very rare. 219 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:30,040 I've seen it only a few times and reading the comments on 220 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,000 those posts is quite interesting. 221 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,280 Well, isn't that what happened when when the the left-handed 222 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,920 Rolex GMT came out and you looked at IT, people couldn't at 223 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,360 first figure out like what? What's going on here? 224 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:42,800 Yeah. And then you're like, oh, the 225 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:47,720 date's at 9, the crown is at 9. Like, well, you know, yeah. 226 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,160 So the interesting thing that I've seen on the very few 227 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,480 watches I've seen announced with the 9:00 date is it it really 228 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,600 does bring people together because both date lovers and 229 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,400 date haters are able to come together and hate the 9:00 date 230 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,400 together. Oh, I love that. 231 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,840 There's this thing where where you say, like, you know, dog 232 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,880 people and cat people can all agree that bird people are 233 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,520 weird. I've my family has owned a bird, 234 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:15,960 so I can say that. And. 235 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,720 We've owned birds, and honestly, we are. 236 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,720 Weird and dogs and cats. I've had all these. 237 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,160 Then you've got pointer date with like a central. 238 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,760 Pointer. Date pointing to a date around 239 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,760 the dial. My best example of this is 240 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,200 Oris's Big Crown Pointer Date I love. 241 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,200 So good. I love that watch. 242 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,880 I love that watch too. And I really feel like I need 243 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:37,840 one in. My collection. 244 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,240 Oh, we need to go shopping. Share a watch 'cause I think we 245 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,720 we haven't updated that you have not shared any watches with me 246 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,560 anyway, OK, we'll keep going with dates. 247 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:52,400 Sub dial date. You know, that's another way to 248 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,280 do a date. Yeah, that's kind of I. 249 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,200 Don't see that that often, but it's a way to do it. 250 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,760 You can, especially if the sub dial is at six, it can be 251 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,120 symmetrical and kind of out of the way. 252 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:04,960 Yeah. You don't really see that on its 253 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,800 own. It's more of in a perpetual 254 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,400 calendar, yeah. You know, part of a moon phase 255 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,440 or part of something else and then you've got the like that 256 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,480 dial edge date like the Nomos Tongente update where it's like 257 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,160 all the way on the edge. And I like this one because it's 258 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,280 really low key. It doesn't break the symmetry, 259 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,200 and it's still very easy to read, but my favorite. 260 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,280 My favorite, yeah, this is absolutely your favorite is 261 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,880 hands down but. But this isn't necessarily even 262 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:41,360 about where it's placed. But I love a big date, and my 263 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,720 favorites are by a Longo, Unzona and Glasutte Original Big date. 264 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,960 Love them. I want a big date. 265 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,080 Watch. I love them. 266 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,880 And a lot of times they're kind of like can't they be at 267 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,720 basically 12 or kind of on the spot, you know like. 268 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,480 In between 12:00. And two, yeah. 269 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,360 Well, because like the long A1 is is probably one of the more 270 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,160 well known watches that has a big date and it's an 271 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,280 asymmetrical dial already where you have a smaller watch face 272 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,160 and the date is outside of that. So it it kind of doesn't matter 273 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,160 where it is in terms of it's not at a specific time on the dial 274 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,200 because it's outside of the time keeping. 275 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:27,240 Yeah, I really want a watch, mainly alonga with a big date, 276 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,760 'cause I think it is so amazing. And sometimes when I see watches 277 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,920 that they make without the big date, I'm just like, but I but 278 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,400 you know, that's if I had one so I could understand if you had a 279 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,080 variety or like, oh, I don't need the big date on all of my 280 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,080 long, but for me, I'm like, I really want it. 281 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,560 But it does. Yeah, it it's great both ways, 282 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,040 but I think I'd go big date. Yeah. 283 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,800 And then there's the adorned and then not adorned date window. 284 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:58,680 So like both Grand Seikos that I've owned have a frame around 285 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,600 the date window. Oh yeah, that does change the 286 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,160 look a lot. Really changes the look and it 287 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,040 OK. There's so many different 288 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,760 designs this. This is not universal, but in 289 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:14,760 some ways like it makes the date feel completely intentional. 290 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:16,240 Yeah, I can. See that? 291 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,440 You put a frame around it. It doesn't feel like an 292 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,240 afterthought. Or a cyclops. 293 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,480 Or a cyclops. I know it's divisive, but 294 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,160 honestly it's the date. I can read the best because it's 295 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:29,120 like it's bigger, yeah. It's a big date without actually 296 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,880 having a. Big date, yeah. 297 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,960 So yeah. So for you, which watches do you 298 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,080 have that are? I'm not going to try to think 299 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,080 about it right now because I would not be able to remember, 300 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,840 but I'm about half OK. That's a that's a lot. 301 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,600 Actually, I'm I am not about half because of my love of the 302 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,040 Rolex Oyster perpetual line, which therefore takes away all. 303 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,680 Day probably less than half and just think it's half and I. 304 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,560 Will say over time, like I do love having the date. 305 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:06,160 I think it's very useful, but I love the cleanness of not having 306 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:11,599 a date of just like a very, but I'm kind of a time only where. 307 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,599 Which makes sense, yeah. When I looked up I just last 308 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:19,520 night just looked up lists of most popular watches. 309 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:20,920 Just. In general. 310 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:22,680 Looked at a bunch of. Those. 311 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,720 That's what you do as a watch collector at night. 312 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,440 You're like, what if I looked at a list of? 313 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,440 Because I wanted to see out of these most popular watch lists 314 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,040 like how many have dates and it's like 9 out of 10. 315 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:35,040 Oh, OK. Yeah. 316 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,280 You know, and these are just lists made by random, but, but 317 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,240 it showed because I probably looked at maybe 50 different 318 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,240 watches on those lists and the vast majority had dates. 319 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:50,000 And if you read articles, there are many sources where they say 320 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,200 that sales data, sales data supports that most watch buyers 321 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,880 want a date on their watch and watch buyers are not the same 322 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,480 and they far outnumber watch enthusiasts. 323 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,240 Yeah, dates seem to be more of an enthusiast battle and 324 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,480 everyone else watch buyer. Yeah, is kind. 325 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,560 Of. Yeah, well, there you go. 326 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,680 We have a very, very definitive answer, which is whatever you 327 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:19,640 like to do, it's it's up to you. And there's no problem either 328 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,080 way. Bye love dates. 329 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,760 Ready. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, 330 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,320 bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. 331 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:27,880 Bye, Have a great weekend.