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Welcome to this Watch LIVE. 
Hi, I'm Lydia Winters. 

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And I'm Boo Boo. 
You sound. 

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A little bit. 
You sound a little bit sick 

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there. 
Yeah, I'm something I yeah, I 

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feel. 
Funny because you have no sick 

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symptoms except for a stuffy 
night. 

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I might be really allergic, I 
surely have not figured out what

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it is, but I sound really 
terrible. 

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I don't feel the way I sound. 
No, you look like your eyes look

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alive. 
Oh. 

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I thought you. 
Were gonna say we look really 

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run and tired 'cause we are 
recording, we are recording. 

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A night again, Yeah. 
And this week is gonna be a 

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night time recording. 
It's a huge work week for us. 

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It's a loosey goosey week. 
Yeah, there's only so early. 

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Look, I'm. 
Gonna record every. 

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Day. 
First of all, I have to say I 

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really love recording the 
podcast and I care deeply about 

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all of our listeners. 
I. 

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Absolutely do too. 
But not deeply enough to get up 

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at like 4:30 that. 
Is what we to. 

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Record in order to get. 
Because of this schedule. 

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I'm very sorry, but that's where
I draw the line of love. 

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That includes for VU too, so 
don't feel about anyone. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, this is also true. 

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OK at See Me Watch asks more 
important beautiful dial or 

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fancy movement both other. 
What beautiful dial fancy 

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movement. 
I feel like I know you're. 

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Answer other. 
I want to let you answer first 

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though, because I feel that this
is like very very relevant topic

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to you right in this moment. 
I think it always is. 

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Oh OK, the thing I feel like it 
never is for me so I guess 

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people will know what? 
Short answer for me, dial first,

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movement second, both third. 
Dial first, movement second, 

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both third OK. 
Yeah. 

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So dials most important, I think
OK movement is second most 

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important and both of them 
together is third. 

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Most, but there's also other. 
I guess I would do. 

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I would do dial in case 
together. 

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Yeah, and. 
It is then third is bracelet. 

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I know case. 
Yours is like #1 quick adjust #2

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water resist. 
He said I was going to go first.

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OK, OK, go. 
Ahead So what I mean by that is 

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I could not buy a watch with a 
dial I don't like, but I could 

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what buy a watch with a movement
I don't like. 

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Yes, I agree with that for also 
for me. 

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Not that I want to buy watches 
with anything I don't like. 

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But it's. 
Like I could but but you could 

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like there are. 
Past it, if it wasn't past it. 

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One that you love. 
Yeah, baby, I've. 

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Talked about various watches 
before that I'm like and the 

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movement's kind of meh but so 
many other things are great. 

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Makes me still want it. 
So, OK, but they're different 

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qualifications for beautiful 
dial because I do think it's 

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more about the entire face of 
the watch. 

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So that includes the dials, 
hands, the Rehart, the bezel and

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the front of the case. 
So you're saying you like a 

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beautiful face? 
Boo Boo, did I hear you say you 

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love a beautiful face? 
You. 

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Saying that with your stuffed up
nose, it's just perfect. 

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So. 
OK, but OK, OK, OK. 

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OK. 
So besides that fact, right? 

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Like I, I, I, I still get it 
with the dial, right? 

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Yeah. 
This specific decision feels, as

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you said, very relevant to me. 
Yes it does. 

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Like very relevant literally 
today. 

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OK, right, OK, so no one, I 
think anyone who listens 

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regularly to this podcast knows 
that I'm in love with the new 

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Grand Seiko 9 SA 4 movement. 
Beautiful face it. 

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Was, well, the movement. 
It was released at Watches and 

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Wonders this year in 2 watches. 
They were the same watch, but 

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one was in gold. 1 is in 
titanium, right? 

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And I'm not going to talk about 
the gold because that doesn't 

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interest me at that price point.
But the titanium I have been in 

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love with. 
It's called the SLGW Double O3, 

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also known as the Birch Park 
because the dial looks like 

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Birch Park and then the 
movement. 

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And we live in a forest that has
a lot of. 

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In a Birch. 
Forest so can confirm it does 

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look like. 
And the back the movement has a 

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wag wagtail on it. 
So like this watch connects me 

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with home? 
And a wagtail is this adorable 

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little bird that it's adorable. 
It's tail, it's tail wags. 

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It's, I mean, it's feathers. 
Do. 

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Do birds have tails? 
Yes. 

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Did you just ask if birds have 
tails? 

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I mean like you call them tails.
Yes, what are you talking about?

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Feathers. 
It's a group of feathers. 

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It's not a tail. 
Yeah, but like a cat, OK, it has

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a fur, bone and muscle that's 
also a tail, but it's made-up of

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other things. 
Yes, birds have tails. 

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They they're wings, they're 
beaks. 

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They've got all kinds of things.
I like watching birds, but I 

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would just call it a collection 
of feathers. 

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OK, they are OK they're I looked
online there a tail. 

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How? 
I don't know. 

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OK, late night recording Lydia, 
I I don't understand. 

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OK, Anyway. 
Anyway these? 

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The movement on its own. 
The bird is a wag. 

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The Bird The bird is a wag tail.
It's butt feathers. 

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That is a tail. 
OK, So the movement on its own, 

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amazing. 
I love it. 

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I love it so much. 
It's so it's manual wind and it,

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it feels great. 
It sounds great. 

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It's got all of the, it's like 
the best manual wine that I've 

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ever tried. 
I think the Nayahita may, you 

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know, if I had them at the same 
time to wind them, you know it's

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hard. 
When you don't have them at the 

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same time. 
Exactly. 

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I didn't get to try them at the 
same time, so it's hard, but 

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like they are to me same caliber
of like that tactile, wonderful 

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feedback. 
But I think where the edge on 

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the Grand Seiko is is the sound 
of the winding. 

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But anyway. 
But I want to say quickly about 

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the movement. 
I won't go into the tail 

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anymore, the white tail. 
Although I do want to say that 

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the fact that there is a little 
bird on the back, Yeah, is 

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actually, to me, one of the most
delightful movements that I've 

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ever seen. 
It actually made me change my 

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mind about, like, caring about 
movements because I was like 

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when there are movements that 
have something special to them. 

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Or like my skeleton Chopard, 
where I know that someone put it

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together but then kept taking it
apart and engraving it and 

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making it really beautiful. 
And there's amazing examples of 

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movements being engraved open 
case backs. 

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I do. 
I feel like that's where I can 

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get more behind a movement. 
You're not into the technical 

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specifications of the movement. 
Yes, I'm into the beauty. 

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I want a beautiful face and a 
beautiful back. 

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Oh boy. 
Anyway, so it's manual wind. 

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I feel like I'm taking cold 
medicine but I'm not. 

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It's a high beat movement. 
It runs at 5 Hertz right with an

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80 hour power reserve. 
I get it that you're not into 

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specs, but typically high beat 
movements, you know, because 

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they run faster, they require 
more power to run that and they 

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usually have lower power 
reserves. 

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So an 80 hour power reserve on a
high beat movement is really 

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cool and the power reserve 
indicator is on the movement 

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instead of the dial, which for a
lot of people is a really big 

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deal. 
I have a Grand Seiko Spring 

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Drive with the power reserve on 
the dial and it doesn't bother 

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me. 
I actually really like it. 

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I think it's a cool signature of
Spring Drive, but this is in 

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Spring Drive so I do also like 
that it's on the back. 

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It's also the movement is 
finished impeccably. 

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I think it is gorgeous. 
And there's a bird on it and the

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bird is so cute. 
I feel like it's actually really

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hard to find a movement that's 
this great finished this well at

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this price. 
It's not cheap, but it just 

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feels like for what you get, it 
feels like a the right price or 

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or or a good price. 
Especially the titanium one. 

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Yeah, the gold 1, I mean, the 
gold 1 is in a different 

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category. 
I I don't know how to judge gold

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but. 
OK. 

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So you've been very, I've been 
into this very much like I want 

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this watch. 
I'm going to get this watch. 

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This is my next watch. 
I love this watch. 

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But that's true. 
But I've also said to you 

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multiple times, I'm worried, OK?
Because Grand Seiko, not just 

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Grand. 
Seiko. 

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In general, not just Grand 
Seiko, lots of companies do 

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this, of course. 
But like there's a clear path 

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that happens here, right? 
This is a new movement. 

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It's their first manual wine 
high beat movement in 50 years 

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obviously. 
They make a gorgeous movement. 

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They are going to put it in more
watches you. 

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Did you did express this concern
almost immediately? 

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Food's like, wow, I I want a 
movement. 

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Oh no, what will they put it? 
In, well, not only what will 

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they put it in next? 
Typically it's like, OK, here's 

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this initial package, right? 
To show off all the coolness, 

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right? 
But then they try different 

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cases, different dials, 
different configurations, and 

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often some of those are limited 
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So then you have to kind of jump
on them. 

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Like you don't have lots of time
to get in on that. 

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And limited editions are fun. 
I like limited editions. 

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I think it's fun to own 
something that, you know, they 

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only made a few 100 of or 
whatever it is, right? 

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So part of me really has been 
also waiting to see like, OK, I 

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know they're going to announce 
new stuff soon and then today. 

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Like very. 
Literally today. 

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Your nightmare. 
Well, is it a? 

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Nightmare or dream? 
They literally did exactly that.

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They released a limited, so it 
is a limited. 

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Edition. 
Oh, Boo Boo and catnip. 

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Recreation of the 45 GS from 
1968. 

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Wait, everything they're saying 
you're like, Oh my. 

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I love recreations yeah, I love 
re additions of isn't it old 

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watches? 
Is it an? 

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Unique heritage in there too. 
No, I I'm pretty sure it has 

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heritage in the it's in the 
heritage collection. 

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Oh yeah, but that's that. 
That's a pretty big collection. 

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Doesn't matter. 
Incredible has sure which. 

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But the the original 45 GS from 
1968 actually housed Grand 

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Seiko's first ever manual wind 
Highbee movement. 

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And this is their first. 
Manual wind Highbee. 

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Movement really good. 
I didn't realize that. 

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That's awesome they put a. 
Lot of thought into these things

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they. 
Really put a lot. 

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Of thought now. 
OK, OK, so the dial it's an 

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almost 1 to one recreation of 
the 1st like the the original 45

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GS, right? 
It's got the big Seiko at the 

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top in the older Seiko style 
logo. 

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And then it's got the GS logo at
the bottom just GS. 

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And then it says like high B and
3600 or sorry 36,000. 

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And then like the color is this 
off white kind of champagne? 

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It's it's basically it when you 
look at photos of the original 

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1. 
Creation, they're they're like, 

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we're not revamping it. 
It's a recreation. 

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It's not, I don't think it's 
1:00 to 1:00 because this one is

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bigger. 
I do believe overall the case, 

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OK. 
But like when you look at the 

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dial, you're like, yeah. 
They really were true to the 

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original. 
Very true to the original. 

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The case looks exactly like the 
original, but I do believe the 

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proportions are very slightly 
different. 

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It's different from the 44 GS 
which came out only like a year 

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before I believe, and that's 
kind of what set the the grammar

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of design for Grand Seiko. 
And this follows that grammar of

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design, but still has its own 
character and it's just like 

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cool anyway, both of these 
watches right? 

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So I haven't seen this watch in 
person. 

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They just announced it today, so
hopefully we'll get to see it 

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very soon. 
But in general, these both have 

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a movement that I absolutely. 
Yeah, that you love and wanna 

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have in. 
Your I Want This movie. 

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Right, so now it really is what 
truly. 

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Comes down to the dial. 
The dial, right? 

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So I I will buy the one whose 
dial and case I love more. 

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Right now I'm still leaning 
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Birch Park. 
It's not limited, it's not based

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on a heritage model. 
It's none of those things. 

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It's modern, modern Grand Seiko.
It's got Grand Seiko on the 

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dial. 
It is which is the. 

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Grand Seiko you love and 
appreciate is the more current. 

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It is evolution 9, right? 
Like this is this is the future 

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of Grand Seiko here. 
And then on the other hand, you 

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have this incredible movement, 
but in the past of Grand Seiko 

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and both of those things attract
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Ways they really did a great 
job, like you said, of thinking 

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through the why like OK, putting
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originally in, they've 
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movement that they haven't had 
since it was in that case. 

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That's really cool. 
I'm not. 

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No, no. 
I'm sure they've had others 

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since then, but yeah. 
But it's been a really, really 

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long time. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I don't know. 
Well, we'll, we'll see when it 

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actually comes out, but I, I am 
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OK, how are you going to decide?
That's the the question that 

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inquiring minds want to know. 
Well, I'm I'm going to try them 

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on and they'll be like, I like 
this one more. 

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Yeah. 
I feel like that's probably the 

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best way to decide. 
I do think so It's a case where 

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case where it's a case where you
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But OK, the thing for me when I 
think about this for you is I'm 

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like, I love the fact that it 
has like this. 

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Well, the birchbark has the 
amazing dial, which you have 

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said in the past. 
So you would have to eat chomp, 

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chomp, chomp, those words if you
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you have said you only want cool
like special dials on Grand 

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Seikos because it's what you 
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Yeah, that they are nowadays. 
It's the modern. 

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Yeah. 
So then if you got the other 

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one, you would have to eat your 
words. 

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I mean Yum Yum Yum. 
Yeah, and you would have to be 

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like, OK, I know I said that I 
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St. coup, but I definitely want.
Cream. 

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I don't. 
But the cream dial is the one 

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you sold your GMT, yes? 
My GMT, but that was a proper 

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cream dial. 
This is maybe champagne? 

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I don't know, I guess. 
What I'm saying is so now, but I

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have a theory of what one I 
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OK, what's your theory? 
Are you sharing it or is this 

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just for your own brain? 
No, I think you'll end up with 

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the Birch bark. 
OK. 

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But the caveat is that maybe 
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you could have this like special
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OK. 
So I guess that's not a theory 

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your. 
Theory is all like one or the 

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other. 
No, my theory is actually that 

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you'll probably like both and 
debate. 

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About it forever. 
And then I'll be like. 

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It is not in the budget to buy 
both of them. 

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I will say the recreation is 
even though it's a limited 

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edition, same movement, it does 
have a much more simple dial. 

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I assume it's simpler to produce
and it costs a very small amount

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less. 
OK. 

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But that's not really going. 
To make. 

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The decision I. 
Don't think that makes the 

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decision for very many people at
all. 

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Oh, this watch cost very 
slightly less than this watch 

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bargain. 
I'm going to buy it. 

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Yeah. 
It's tricky. 

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I'm very excited to see what 
what you end up. 

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With Yeah, well, we'll see very 
soon, very soon. 

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Thanks for hanging out with us, 
being especially silly today. 

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Bye bye.
