Welcome to this Watch LIVE. Hi, I'm Lydia Winters.
And I'm Boo Boo. You sound.
A little bit. You sound a little bit sick
there. Yeah, I'm something I yeah, I
feel. Funny because you have no sick
symptoms except for a stuffy night.
I might be really allergic, I surely have not figured out what
it is, but I sound really terrible.
I don't feel the way I sound. No, you look like your eyes look
alive. Oh.
I thought you. Were gonna say we look really
run and tired 'cause we are recording, we are recording.
A night again, Yeah. And this week is gonna be a
night time recording. It's a huge work week for us.
It's a loosey goosey week. Yeah, there's only so early.
Look, I'm. Gonna record every.
Day. First of all, I have to say I
really love recording the podcast and I care deeply about
all of our listeners. I.
Absolutely do too. But not deeply enough to get up
at like 4:30 that. Is what we to.
Record in order to get. Because of this schedule.
I'm very sorry, but that's where I draw the line of love.
That includes for VU too, so don't feel about anyone.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, this is also true.
OK at See Me Watch asks more important beautiful dial or
fancy movement both other. What beautiful dial fancy
movement. I feel like I know you're.
Answer other. I want to let you answer first
though, because I feel that this is like very very relevant topic
to you right in this moment. I think it always is.
Oh OK, the thing I feel like it never is for me so I guess
people will know what? Short answer for me, dial first,
movement second, both third. Dial first, movement second,
both third OK. Yeah.
So dials most important, I think OK movement is second most
important and both of them together is third.
Most, but there's also other. I guess I would do.
I would do dial in case together.
Yeah, and. It is then third is bracelet.
I know case. Yours is like #1 quick adjust #2
water resist. He said I was going to go first.
OK, OK, go. Ahead So what I mean by that is
I could not buy a watch with a dial I don't like, but I could
what buy a watch with a movement I don't like.
Yes, I agree with that for also for me.
Not that I want to buy watches with anything I don't like.
But it's. Like I could but but you could
like there are. Past it, if it wasn't past it.
One that you love. Yeah, baby, I've.
Talked about various watches before that I'm like and the
movement's kind of meh but so many other things are great.
Makes me still want it. So, OK, but they're different
qualifications for beautiful dial because I do think it's
more about the entire face of the watch.
So that includes the dials, hands, the Rehart, the bezel and
the front of the case. So you're saying you like a
beautiful face? Boo Boo, did I hear you say you
love a beautiful face? You.
Saying that with your stuffed up nose, it's just perfect.
So. OK, but OK, OK, OK.
OK. So besides that fact, right?
Like I, I, I, I still get it with the dial, right?
Yeah. This specific decision feels, as
you said, very relevant to me. Yes it does.
Like very relevant literally today.
OK, right, OK, so no one, I think anyone who listens
regularly to this podcast knows that I'm in love with the new
Grand Seiko 9 SA 4 movement. Beautiful face it.
Was, well, the movement. It was released at Watches and
Wonders this year in 2 watches. They were the same watch, but
one was in gold. 1 is in titanium, right?
And I'm not going to talk about the gold because that doesn't
interest me at that price point. But the titanium I have been in
love with. It's called the SLGW Double O3,
also known as the Birch Park because the dial looks like
Birch Park and then the movement.
And we live in a forest that has a lot of.
In a Birch. Forest so can confirm it does
look like. And the back the movement has a
wag wagtail on it. So like this watch connects me
with home? And a wagtail is this adorable
little bird that it's adorable. It's tail, it's tail wags.
It's, I mean, it's feathers. Do.
Do birds have tails? Yes.
Did you just ask if birds have tails?
I mean like you call them tails. Yes, what are you talking about?
Feathers. It's a group of feathers.
It's not a tail. Yeah, but like a cat, OK, it has
a fur, bone and muscle that's also a tail, but it's made-up of
other things. Yes, birds have tails.
They they're wings, they're beaks.
They've got all kinds of things. I like watching birds, but I
would just call it a collection of feathers.
OK, they are OK they're I looked online there a tail.
How? I don't know.
OK, late night recording Lydia, I I don't understand.
OK, Anyway. Anyway these?
The movement on its own. The bird is a wag.
The Bird The bird is a wag tail. It's butt feathers.
That is a tail. OK, So the movement on its own,
amazing. I love it.
I love it so much. It's so it's manual wind and it,
it feels great. It sounds great.
It's got all of the, it's like the best manual wine that I've
ever tried. I think the Nayahita may, you
know, if I had them at the same time to wind them, you know it's
hard. When you don't have them at the
same time. Exactly.
I didn't get to try them at the same time, so it's hard, but
like they are to me same caliber of like that tactile, wonderful
feedback. But I think where the edge on
the Grand Seiko is is the sound of the winding.
But anyway. But I want to say quickly about
the movement. I won't go into the tail
anymore, the white tail. Although I do want to say that
the fact that there is a little bird on the back, Yeah, is
actually, to me, one of the most delightful movements that I've
ever seen. It actually made me change my
mind about, like, caring about movements because I was like
when there are movements that have something special to them.
Or like my skeleton Chopard, where I know that someone put it
together but then kept taking it apart and engraving it and
making it really beautiful. And there's amazing examples of
movements being engraved open case backs.
I do. I feel like that's where I can
get more behind a movement. You're not into the technical
specifications of the movement. Yes, I'm into the beauty.
I want a beautiful face and a beautiful back.
Oh boy. Anyway, so it's manual wind.
I feel like I'm taking cold medicine but I'm not.
It's a high beat movement. It runs at 5 Hertz right with an
80 hour power reserve. I get it that you're not into
specs, but typically high beat movements, you know, because
they run faster, they require more power to run that and they
usually have lower power reserves.
So an 80 hour power reserve on a high beat movement is really
cool and the power reserve indicator is on the movement
instead of the dial, which for a lot of people is a really big
deal. I have a Grand Seiko Spring
Drive with the power reserve on the dial and it doesn't bother
me. I actually really like it.
I think it's a cool signature of Spring Drive, but this is in
Spring Drive so I do also like that it's on the back.
It's also the movement is finished impeccably.
I think it is gorgeous. And there's a bird on it and the
bird is so cute. I feel like it's actually really
hard to find a movement that's this great finished this well at
this price. It's not cheap, but it just
feels like for what you get, it feels like a the right price or
or or a good price. Especially the titanium one.
Yeah, the gold 1, I mean, the gold 1 is in a different
category. I I don't know how to judge gold
but. OK.
So you've been very, I've been into this very much like I want
this watch. I'm going to get this watch.
This is my next watch. I love this watch.
But that's true. But I've also said to you
multiple times, I'm worried, OK? Because Grand Seiko, not just
Grand. Seiko.
In general, not just Grand Seiko, lots of companies do
this, of course. But like there's a clear path
that happens here, right? This is a new movement.
It's their first manual wine high beat movement in 50 years
obviously. They make a gorgeous movement.
They are going to put it in more watches you.
Did you did express this concern almost immediately?
Food's like, wow, I I want a movement.
Oh no, what will they put it? In, well, not only what will
they put it in next? Typically it's like, OK, here's
this initial package, right? To show off all the coolness,
right? But then they try different
cases, different dials, different configurations, and
often some of those are limited editions.
So then you have to kind of jump on them.
Like you don't have lots of time to get in on that.
And limited editions are fun. I like limited editions.
I think it's fun to own something that, you know, they
only made a few 100 of or whatever it is, right?
So part of me really has been also waiting to see like, OK, I
know they're going to announce new stuff soon and then today.
Like very. Literally today.
Your nightmare. Well, is it a?
Nightmare or dream? They literally did exactly that.
They released a limited, so it is a limited.
Edition. Oh, Boo Boo and catnip.
Recreation of the 45 GS from 1968.
Wait, everything they're saying you're like, Oh my.
I love recreations yeah, I love re additions of isn't it old
watches? Is it an?
Unique heritage in there too. No, I I'm pretty sure it has
heritage in the it's in the heritage collection.
Oh yeah, but that's that. That's a pretty big collection.
Doesn't matter. Incredible has sure which.
But the the original 45 GS from 1968 actually housed Grand
Seiko's first ever manual wind Highbee movement.
And this is their first. Manual wind Highbee.
Movement really good. I didn't realize that.
That's awesome they put a. Lot of thought into these things
they. Really put a lot.
Of thought now. OK, OK, so the dial it's an
almost 1 to one recreation of the 1st like the the original 45
GS, right? It's got the big Seiko at the
top in the older Seiko style logo.
And then it's got the GS logo at the bottom just GS.
And then it says like high B and 3600 or sorry 36,000.
And then like the color is this off white kind of champagne?
It's it's basically it when you look at photos of the original
1. Creation, they're they're like,
we're not revamping it. It's a recreation.
It's not, I don't think it's 1:00 to 1:00 because this one is
bigger. I do believe overall the case,
OK. But like when you look at the
dial, you're like, yeah. They really were true to the
original. Very true to the original.
The case looks exactly like the original, but I do believe the
proportions are very slightly different.
It's different from the 44 GS which came out only like a year
before I believe, and that's kind of what set the the grammar
of design for Grand Seiko. And this follows that grammar of
design, but still has its own character and it's just like
cool anyway, both of these watches right?
So I haven't seen this watch in person.
They just announced it today, so hopefully we'll get to see it
very soon. But in general, these both have
a movement that I absolutely. Yeah, that you love and wanna
have in. Your I Want This movie.
Right, so now it really is what truly.
Comes down to the dial. The dial, right?
So I I will buy the one whose dial and case I love more.
Right now I'm still leaning towards the regular production
Birch Park. It's not limited, it's not based
on a heritage model. It's none of those things.
It's modern, modern Grand Seiko. It's got Grand Seiko on the
dial. It is which is the.
Grand Seiko you love and appreciate is the more current.
It is evolution 9, right? Like this is this is the future
of Grand Seiko here. And then on the other hand, you
have this incredible movement, but in the past of Grand Seiko
and both of those things attract me a very, very different.
Ways they really did a great job, like you said, of thinking
through the why like OK, putting it back in the case that it was
originally in, they've relaunched this manual wide
movement that they haven't had since it was in that case.
That's really cool. I'm not.
No, no. I'm sure they've had others
since then, but yeah. But it's been a really, really
long time. Yeah, yeah.
I don't know. Well, we'll, we'll see when it
actually comes out, but I, I am very, very excited.
OK, how are you going to decide? That's the the question that
inquiring minds want to know. Well, I'm I'm going to try them
on and they'll be like, I like this one more.
Yeah. I feel like that's probably the
best way to decide. I do think so It's a case where
case where it's a case where you have to try it on.
But OK, the thing for me when I think about this for you is I'm
like, I love the fact that it has like this.
Well, the birchbark has the amazing dial, which you have
said in the past. So you would have to eat chomp,
chomp, chomp, those words if you get the the recreation because
you have said you only want cool like special dials on Grand
Seikos because it's what you feel they're known for.
Yeah, that they are nowadays. It's the modern.
Yeah. So then if you got the other
one, you would have to eat your words.
I mean Yum Yum Yum. Yeah, and you would have to be
like, OK, I know I said that I didn't want a cream dial Grand
St. coup, but I definitely want. Cream.
I don't. But the cream dial is the one
you sold your GMT, yes? My GMT, but that was a proper
cream dial. This is maybe champagne?
I don't know, I guess. What I'm saying is so now, but I
have a theory of what one I think you'll end up with.
OK, what's your theory? Are you sharing it or is this
just for your own brain? No, I think you'll end up with
the Birch bark. OK.
But the caveat is that maybe when you try on the other one
you could have this like special feeling.
OK. So I guess that's not a theory
your. Theory is all like one or the
other. No, my theory is actually that
you'll probably like both and debate.
About it forever. And then I'll be like.
It is not in the budget to buy both of them.
I will say the recreation is even though it's a limited
edition, same movement, it does have a much more simple dial.
I assume it's simpler to produce and it costs a very small amount
less. OK.
But that's not really going. To make.
The decision I. Don't think that makes the
decision for very many people at all.
Oh, this watch cost very slightly less than this watch
bargain. I'm going to buy it.
Yeah. It's tricky.
I'm very excited to see what what you end up.
With Yeah, well, we'll see very soon, very soon.
Thanks for hanging out with us, being especially silly today.
Bye bye.