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Welcome to this Watch live. 
Hi, I'm Lydia Winters. 

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And I'm Boo Booey. 
And today we're talking about 

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you, Boo. 
Just just just about me. 

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We're OK. 
So for some context, VU has a 

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personality. 
Where do you have a? 

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Personality. 
Thank you very much. 

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I'm glad you noticed. 
He has a personality where 

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sometimes I would say, I don't 
know, maybe at least once a 

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month. 
You'd. 

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Say to me so I'm rethinking 
everything. 

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Not just, like, rethinking 
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He's rethinking everything about
a subject. 

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Yeah, Yeah. 
So it's not. 

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It's like, yeah. 
But the way you. 

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Present. 
It is like everything about one 

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thing and this happened at 
watches and wonders. 

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It did in a big way because I 
was out at lunch just getting 

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all of these messages from you 
and you were like, so I'm 

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rethinking everything. 
I can't. 

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Wait to tell you in person. 
I just have to text. 

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It I'm rethinking everything. 
I'm like thinking about my 

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entire collection, my whole 
collection philosophy. 

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And I was just like, so to me I 
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are. 
But also I thought it was, it 

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was really interesting to like 
go through the process as you're

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thinking about it. 
Not there's no conclusions here,

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but that's kind of the 
interesting part because we have

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just been at watches and wonders
and your brain is swirling 

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around. 
I even have some thoughts for 

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another time this week. 
But today we're going to deep 

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dive into Mr. I'm Rethinking 
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It's. 
True. 

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I mean, I I am a very all in 
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So then, even if it's just 
that's true, even if it's just 

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something like, oh, I have new 
thoughts, I go all in with my 

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new thoughts, yes, but then I 
calm down afterwards and we're 

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not there yet. 
You do so, but I wanted everyone

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to experience then they can be 
like Lydia. 

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This happens to you once a 
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Yes, for for 12 years. 
Never do that again, OK. 

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I think I did see too many 
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I I think there is like that's a
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It's possible to be over 
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OK, that's true it. 
Scrambled my brain a little. 

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I do think I I could feel that 
too, especially because we're up

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in Stockholm. 
There are a lot of watches here,

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but it's not the breath. 
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Well, also you're in like 
Geneva. 

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So you don't see them all at 
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And so seeing everything at 
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It's such breadth. 
And it wasn't just exhibiting 

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watches, right? 
Like. 

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Watches on wrists who? 
Who was wearing what? 

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And you're like, I I've never. 
I actually think I turned off my

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wrist spotting brain. 
Interesting. 

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Because it was. 
You had to power down. 

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You had to power that that part 
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other things. 
It's like sometimes you have to 

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shut down certain systems 
because there's just not enough 

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power to power everything. 
And I did that because I stopped

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looking at risk entirely. 
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Yeah, you were just overwhelmed.
I was OK. 

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I do think it's good to have 
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things. 
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Mm hmm. 
You you have to have these 

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checkpoints with yourself so 
that you can feel like, hey, I 

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checked in with myself and it 
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thing or you're like, hey, every
choice I've ever made is wrong 

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and I want to restart. 
Yes, This is why I wanted you to

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go on this journey with us. 
OK so the other day Rob Nudds 

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from TRTS podcast amazing guy 
who the real time show we we we 

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we got to meet very briefly in. 
Person, but finally. 

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And before watches and wonders, 
he had mentioned like, hey, I 

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really like that question you 
asked about would you rather, 

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you know, like would you take 
the option to just reset your 

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collection? 
You get double the value of your

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collection, but then you can't 
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And my answer, your answer was 
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And my answer was no way. 
Now I'm like give me that. 

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Oh, and also so everyone knows 
that is a hypothetical situation

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that zero people are offering. 
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Offered this was just a would 
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course has been ping ponging 
around in Vu's head for 10 

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weeks. 
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it's not just related to what 
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is also through conversations 
with people as well. 

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Because you're in a place with 
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the thing you care about and 
you're just like, talking about,

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yeah, watches, yeah. 
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your daily life. 
I I don't think I could handle 

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it. 
Let let's be honest, it was nice

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to be able to walk away from 
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Oh my God, every day you would 
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everything. 
And I would be like, I'm 

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rethinking my life too. 
I've talked about how I often 

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when making watch purchases. 
I've realized that I too often 

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think of every single watch as 
like This needs to fit most 

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parts of my life. 
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Yes, and I recognize that, but 
it's hard not to think that way.

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I'm a person who has adventure 
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But then when I go to buy 
something, I'm like it needs to 

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fit my whole life, which means 
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this kind of adventurous side of
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mostly gotta watches, go 
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And I've tried to fight that, 
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that makes me feel that way. 
And it's informed a lot of my 

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buying. 
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days in Geneva, I saw four 
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It didn't really make me rethink
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It made me just say I'm wrong. 
You know I've been doing it 

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wrong, right? 
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OK. 
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that, that, that, that, that 
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Ken, our amazing friend whose 
strep company is deluxe. 

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He let me wear his MB NF LM1O1IN
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and I I so OK, I've never been 
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No, I don't think you've ever. 
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No. 
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pictures, I'm like, oh, that's 
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I'm glad someone's doing this 
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what's possible and like not 
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visually. 
And what can what does it mean 

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for something to be a watch, 
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I I like that someone's doing 
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What does it mean to be a watch?
But that's another episode. 

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That is another episode but but 
it never like personally 

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interested me. 
But Ken let me wear this watch 

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for about half a day. 
Which, OK, first of all, this 

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was truly shocking. 
You don't even like. 

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As all of you know, Vu doesn't 
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He doesn't wear watches. 
He doesn't trade watches. 

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I don't ever get to wear your 
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Ken got to wear your Pepsi? 
If he could. 

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Trust you with that, yeah. 
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Then I could trust him with my 
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I agree, but still I was 
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I wanted to give it back when I 
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'cause it just felt really weird
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the restroom. 
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I'm like, I don't know, it felt 
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Intimate moments with the MBA I.
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felt like it anyway. 
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back my Pepsi to go to the 
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sight with his MBA, but it was 
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So for this watch and again as 
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watches in the show notes and at
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to check them out. 
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It was a fascinating and 
interesting looking watch that I

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couldn't stop looking at now. 
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day, but I can I I got it. 
I I understood the appeal it. 

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It's not just about looking at 
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of it, that looking at this 
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amazed by it. 
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impactful in its presence that 
also do when you have it on your

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wrist, you realize how many I I 
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OK. 
Just drawn to it as we'd walk 

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through the halls. 
Mine was. 

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I mean, I took so many photos of
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look over and be like, oh, that 
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And then a few minutes later I'd
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here. 
It also looks cool here. 

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There's there. 
There is a difference when you 

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have a watch that's designed to 
be viewed also from so many 

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angles and all this of the 
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personally is probably my new 
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an intricate and interesting 
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So I I I still enjoy looking at 
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I I mean, I enjoy looking at all
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But I did feel like all of them 
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Time, Yeah. 
This one felt more like art on 

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your wrist. 
It did feel like I I think that 

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is the difference for me when I 
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So, OK then. 
Aside from this wonderful MBNF, 

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there's a brand that we saw at 
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exhibit. 
We'll talk more about that thing

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in the future. 
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dreamland to me, right? 
But Kudoke was there. 

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A very small but very wonderful 
German brand run by husband and 

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wife couple whose last name is 
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And I really fell in love with 
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OK, first up, the Kudoke 2O. 
This makes it very easy to talk 

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about when they just number the 
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That is. 
Very helpful. 

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Thank you. 
It has a 24 hour indicator like 

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engraved disc. 
It's half gold, half black 

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rhodium. 
It was hand engraved, just 

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beautiful. 
Really beautiful. 

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Then you flip the watch over and
the movement is incredible. 

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And I I don't know the exact 
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these are in the between 10 and 
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So what you're getting for the 
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of this brand before, never seen
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Then when you saw, yeah, I mean,
you brought me over to see it 

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and it's just they were 
mesmerizing, right? 

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I mean. 
I I knew because it was size 

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wise they feel, but then you put
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like actually fits quite nice, 
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So there's this presence to this
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nicely on the wrist. 
The movement is beautiful hand 

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engrave, balance, cock, which is
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It really, I don't know. 
It just hit in a special way 

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that doesn't feel like most 
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And that watch actually won a 
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And I can see why. 
It's amazing. 

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It was beautiful. 
Then there was the Kudoke 3A 

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newer model. 
This one was so interesting. 

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Right. 
So you don't get it. 

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Or at least I didn't. 
And you didn't until they were 

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like, OK, now just turn the 
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I watched it and I still don't 
get it, but I know I do. 

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I do. 
But I'm interested to hear. 

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You try to try to describe this,
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so it has a minute hand, right? 
Which functions just like a 

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typical minute hand. 
But then the hour hand is 

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actually three hands of 
different lengths, and it has a 

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partially open display with 
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And so those three different 
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but at different places. 
OK, just look it up there. 

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There is no way for me to 
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This beautiful watch, though, 
looking at it was so cool. 

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And then also, you know, it 
just, it was so interesting. 

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And I think that was for me, 
'cause you were like, we have to

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go over and look at all of these
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It's just seeing things that 
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innovative. 
Yeah, it's like just and and 

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this one isn't a technical 
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innovative in their approach to 
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And you know, I I like seeing 
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very simple mechanism. 
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instead of one hour hand, 
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And at any given time typically 
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Because there's a lot of depth 
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layers to it. 
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movements are also beautiful. 
So, so that was that was really 

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cool to see. 
Then there was the Kudaktopus, 

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which, so it's a Kudoke octopus 
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Each one is completely unique 
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skeletonize it by hand, and 
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they feel that it's right. 
That's how they do the 

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skeletonization. 
It's all done by hand. 

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You essentially have a movement 
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black rhodium colored, but then 
an octopus tangled up in the 

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movement and the octopus is in 
yellow gold. 

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But to me, the best part of it 
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They really thought about the 
design that it's skeleton and so

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you see the tentacles on the 
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like, OK that's it. 
Like that is what is awesome. 

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There's a watch Finder video all
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the engraving even closer up 
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tentacles, I my like my mind was
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It's. 
Really incredible. 

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Like you have to go look at 
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So on the front you have the 
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and then when you flip it over, 
it's like you only see where the

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tentacles have wrapped 
themselves around this movement.

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Yeah, it is so incredible. 
It's like this watch is mind 

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blowing. 
I loved it. 

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probably could look more into it
and ask more questions about it.

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But I don't believe there's like
huge technical innovation here. 

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This is an artistic choice and 
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just when you look at it, it's 
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But it for its artistry, not 
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achievement. 
And I I just loved it so much. 

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OK, we've only gone through one 
brand. 

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There were two watches that I 
got to see. 

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Oh no, wait, that was two 
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Sorry. 
There were two watches I got to 

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see in one place and that place 
was Masaharu from Houdini, 

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Japan. 
He was double wristing and it's 

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the coolest double wrist thing I
have ever seen, I believe. 

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Yes, it was like the ultimate 
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wanted to see Masa and meet him.
We've been talking online for so

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long. 
We ran across each other. 

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He came up and we just were all 
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Hugs and. 
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We look down at his wrists and 
well for Yeah, OK, I'm going to 

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let you talk. 
I I felt a little bit bad 

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because it's one of those 
moments where you're like, I'm 

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so excited to meet you. 
Let's talk for a second. 

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Oops, I looked at your wrist. 
Now I'm completely distracted. 

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That is actually true. 
We were we were very rude. 

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This was the only person where I
was like, oh, hey, can I just 

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have your watch now and then? 
I'm not going to talk to you 

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because I'm going to take a 1000
photos of it. 

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I did assume we were going to 
have more time with Masa. 

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We did not, unfortunately, So 
we're going to have to just. 

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Make this up to him and next 
time and be like please don't 

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wear any watches. 
Don't wear any watches. 

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This one's all about you as a 
person, as a human being who I 

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respect and love. 
OK, so he had two 2 watches. 

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The first one that I noticed 
with my eyeballs was a brand 

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that I've been looking at for 
little over a year and I I've 

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been obsessed with this brand. 
They don't sell outside of 

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Japan. 
I you've even tried to get me 

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one? 
Yeah, I was looking at those. 

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Purchase services that buys JDM,
that's Japan domestic market 

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products which are only made for
Japan there. 

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So there are these services that
will buy it for you and send it 

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to you. 
But there's a whole lottery to 

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even get these because even in 
Japan they are super limited 

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production, difficult to get. 
The brand is called Otsuka Low 

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Tech. 
There's some great videos. 

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I can't remember who I think, 
no. 

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I Swiss Watch Gang has a great 
video. 

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On Yeah, Marco. 
'S amazing and I I I think 

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there's a few others. 
The one that Muscle was wearing 

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is the number 7.5. 
That's the model number. 

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I like these simple numbers. 
Thank you to all of all of 

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these. 
Brilliant. 

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Just easy naming. 
This is lovely. 

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Just name things in the order 
that you make them and then it's

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super easy and. 
What can I you grunts I go. 

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OK, so you please, please, even 
if the other watches I've said 

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go look them up or I've said go 
to the website, go and look at 

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Otsuka Low Tech. 
Do they have two main models 

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that I'm super interested in. 
This one is the number 7.5 and 

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the best way I can describe it 
for our audio listeners, well 

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they're we only have audio 
listeners. 

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This is not a video podcast, is 
it? 

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It's a little bit steampunk, but
not in a comical or like prop 

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feeling way, right? 
Like it? 

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It still feels like a serious 
watch, but with so much fun in 

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it. 
And yeah, it's really cool. 

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I was so excited for you because
like I said, I looked up like, 

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how can I get you one? 
Because you were like, I love, I

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have to have it. 
And this one was really cool, 

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but it's not the original one 
that you thought you wanted. 

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No, the numbers. 
From them is actually my my 

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original love. 
But having tried this on SO, 

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they've taken what is a 
relatively simple and affordable

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Miyota movement and created a 
jumping hour display with it. 

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And it works really well in 
person. 

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It is beautiful. 
And I just fell in love with 

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this watch and all over again 
because now I got to see it in 

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person and I'm like, I am going 
to get one. 

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I yes, I will do whatever it 
takes. 

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That's that's what's going to 
happen. 

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So OK, Masa was wearing one more
watch. 

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We're not going to talk about it
yet. 

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No, because I need a lot of time
to talk. 

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We need a lot more. 
Time. 

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And you never even got to talk 
about like so in in 30 seconds. 

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Why did these watches make you 
rethink your entire collection? 

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Who do you think I am? 
Do it. 

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This is A to be continued 
episode this. 

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Is a lot of. 
Tomorrow we will continue and 

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finish this story. 
OK, because you have a lot of 

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thoughts and then it will 
continue once a month 

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indefinitely. 
Have a great day. 

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Have a good day everyone. 
Bye, bye.

