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Welcome to this Watch live. 
Hi, I'm Lydia Winters. 

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And today, Haters Gonna Hate. 
Are they? 

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Well. 
Wait, are you the hater? 

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Yeah. 
Well, OK, Today we're talking 

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about changing your mind about a
watch. 

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I feel like haters don't change 
their minds. 

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Oh So what would you call me 
like a short term hater. 

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Like a initial hater. 
A little hater. 

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An initial hater. 
An initial hater. 

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OK, we have talked about this on
the podcast before. 

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The fact that I my first 
instinct is like, Nah, I don't 

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like it. 
That is your. 

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That is your first. 
Instinct. 

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I'm like a small except when 
you. 

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Met me, of course. 
Wait, actually. 

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You took a while to grow on me, 
Sir. 

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I am an acquired taste. 
That is true. 

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A slow burn, but that's good. 
That's the best way. 

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That's how you keep it going for
a long, long time. 

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Oh boy. 
But anyway, so we had a question

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from Bianca, who is part of the 
Real Time Show chat group that 

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we are part of. 
The Real Time Show is an amazing

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podcast with a watchmaker. 
Rob A. 

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Jeweler. 
And watch ADL on. 

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And then also they have David 
who's doing a bit of everything 

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I think writing and all kinds of
stuff. 

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Great podcast, highly recommend 
we are big, big fans of them. 

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True. 
Bianca asked this question to us

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and to them and so they have 
answered it already and now it's

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our turn. 
This is such a great question 

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from Bianca. 
She's been thinking about this. 

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What are the watches that you 
didn't like Slash hated at first

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that then became favorite 
purchases, favorites or 

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purchases for Lydia? 
Sounds like Rolex OP's for me. 

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I think it's the Bulgari 
Serpente Tobagas. 

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And then a secondary question, 
are there any common themes on 

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when this tends to happen? 
So for her, she said. 

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For example, I think for me, 
when I tried on the Bulgari for 

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the first time, it wasn't a very
good experience all around. 

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The retailer, like wasn't great 
and it tainted my thoughts on 

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the watch. 
But I've since realized that the

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two are obviously unrelated. 
And so I love everything about 

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this question. 
Number one, that there are two 

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parts. 
We were like, this is an 

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episode. 
Part question this. 

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Is an episode and I think maybe 
we'll tackle the second part 

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first, just because I want to 
say a couple things about that. 

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I it really does. 
I think it is so much experience

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dependent on your initial 
reaction, like who you're with. 

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So for example, when we've 
looked at watch releases, I 

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remember being with our our AD, 
looking at the new Rolex watch 

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releases and we were all like 
Explorer 2 tone. 

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I don't know. 
Wait, what do you mean all? 

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I think. 
I did not share that opinion. 

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That was you. 
Who's always more open and nice.

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They're like, I don't know about
that you know. 

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And so you it kind of can 
especially in the watch world. 

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You're with all your friends. 
You're talking about a new 

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release and you're like, no, I 
don't think so. 

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Or like Bianca talks about like 
a bad dealer Experience can 

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really make it 'cause you can be
so excited to see that watch. 

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I mean, we've had this, this 
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There was a watch I really, 
really wanted. 

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To see. 
Went directly to the boutique. 

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It was not a a good experience 
it it did take down my love for 

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that watch. 
It took down my love for the 

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whole brand. 
Yeah, that's true. 

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Which is unfortunate. 
So these experiences that you 

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have and that's at a boutique 
experience. 

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So it's kind of their fault. 
But sometimes, you know, it 

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might be at an AD or it may be 
you see the watch on someone 

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that you meet at an event. 
And if that person rubs you the 

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wrong way, it could affect how 
you see that watch or that 

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brand, especially if they're 
very enthusiastic about it. 

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You can associate that person 
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I've had that happen with me 
where I'm like, yeah, I don't 

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like that brand. 
And I think about like, wait, 

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why is that? 
And I realize it's because I 

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associate it with maybe a person
that I'm not really into. 

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Yeah, when I was a teacher, way 
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school teacher. 
For those of you who don't know,

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probably none of you know 4th 
grade. 

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I taught 4th grade in the US for
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It's what my degree is in. 
And then I was like, no thank 

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you. 
But I felt the same way with 

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like the kids in my class. 
Their names. 

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I was like, that name is now 
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And I know that a lot of parents
who are teachers, they can't 

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like name their kids any names 
of like students they've had 

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because they feel too. 
Tied. 

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Are they the ones with all of 
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different kinds? 
Of names because. 

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You're like resurrect. 
I got to pick something that 

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isn't tied to this little terror
that I had in my class. 

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I will not name the terror, but 
there is a name where I'm like 

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if I hear that name, I'm like 
shutter 1215 years later. 

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These associations happen 
whether we like it or not, and I

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do think it's possible to 
forcefully like change that, but

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it takes effort. 
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realized like those don't have 
anything to do with each other. 

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So I think that's always a good 
thing to think about with 

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watches are like there. 
It is about your mindset in that

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moment. 
I'm like that with movies. 

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Depending on if the movie has 
been really hyped, then I 

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typically don't like it the 
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If I go in with no expectations,
I really like it. 

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So I think in this case that's 
more for watches that I like at 

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first. 
But in the good side, sometimes 

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if the watch is something where 
I'm like, I don't like that, 

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then I see it in person, it can 
kind of change my mind on it. 

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Well, speaking OK, Yeah, You 
have some. 

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Yeah, my, my. 
I think my best example of this 

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is my FXD, right? 
So FXDMN 21 was announced a few 

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years back, and during the 
announcement it became clear to 

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me this was not a watch for me. 
OK, So I liked the marketing. 

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Like I thought it was really 
interesting With the divers and 

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the two, you know, you've got 
one navigating and one timing 

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and you loved it. 
That was cool. 

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The design of the watch, the 
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Loved it like everything about 
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Bidirectional bezel, all these 
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Loved it, fixed lugs, Loved it 
right. 

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As soon as I heard what size it 
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not for me. 
I have 16 centimeter wrists O a 

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42mm watch. 
I just. 

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Felt like a no. 
Well, the Explorer 2 is 42mm, 

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but this was 42mm watch with a 
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I think 50. 4mm. 
Because of those fixed lugs and 

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I'm like 54 impossible can't do 
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Which, for those of you who 
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fact because I didn't know FXD 
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It does, which is really cool. 
Yeah, that is. 

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Cool. 
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So as soon as I heard that, I 
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was like, this watch is not for 
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Move on. 
Oh, so not even like I hate you.

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You thought you liked the watch,
but you were like this is it's 

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it's not even in my radar in 
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Sometimes if a watch like like 
this, it's like, it's definitely

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too big for me. 
I don't hate it after that, but 

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I don't like it because I'm 
like, well, I I can't burn the 

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limited amount of love I have 
inside of me on something that I

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you only. 
Have a limited amount of love. 

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I have. 
It's. 

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Finite. 
I have. 

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Oh, I have a lot of love. 
Oh, really? 

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I don't. 
We just. 

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It's unlimited. 
It's. 

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No, it probably is limited. 
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And also, we're talking about 
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know how that I don't. 
Want to burn up what limited 

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love I have on something that I 
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OK. 
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So I I tend to then shun those 
things and be like that's not 

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for me, but RAD when, you know, 
a couple months later, however 

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long it was when it came in, 
said you, you got to just just 

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come. 
Come look at it. 

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Yeah, I know you don't think 
it's cool he. 

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Knows her taste. 
It really, really, really does. 

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Went in, tried it on. 
Boom in love. 

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Yeah, you were in love. 
Everything was different from 

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how I thought it would feel on 
the wrist, so it was an 

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immediate change of feelings. 
So yes, it is a big watch. 

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It's a big watch, but on my 
wrist, the shape of my wrist, it

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fits very well. 
Also it's titanium, so it's very

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lightweight. 
Also it is on a strap and the 

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way that the strap fit was very 
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So all of these elements came 
together to make it like, oh 

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actually I love this watch and 
want it. 

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So maybe in that way it was kind
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your expectations or kind of 
like this is out then you get a 

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surprise versus sometimes when 
you see one in person and you're

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like oh this wasn't wasn't like 
wasn't as good as I thought. 

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Maybe. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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Yeah. 
So I've said for years, like, 

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you cannot judge a watch without
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But there are certain things 
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oh, OK, but I know with this and
it, a lot of it often has to do 

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with the numbers, because 
numbers don't lie. 

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But I'm here to say all the 
numbers don't lie. 

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They do not tell the whole 
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And. 
Shakira says hips don't lie. 

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Oh well. 
Tips and numbers, I mean that. 

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Sounds a lot less nerdy. 
The numbers don't lie, but. 

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We'll go with numbers, don't 
lie. 

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Shakira can agree on this one, 
so I I really think what it 

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looks like and how it fits are 
things that you can only gauge 

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once you. 
Have it in front of you. 

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So photos and and also not all 
photos are photos, right? 

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So often what we see are 
renderings, digital renderings 

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of the product and they're also 
super close up and. 

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You. 
Don't see a watch that way. 

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So when you're looking at these 
images, whether it's in a video,

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whether it's in photos on 
Instagram or the marketing 

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materials direct from the brand,
like, that's not what the watch 

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will look like. 
It is way too close. 

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So unless you have, I don't 
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I don't know what like Super 
Zoom vision is. 

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Like super Zoom vision, who's 
been around the nephews too 

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much? 
He's like, oh, let me just get 

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on my Super Zoom vision. 
Unless you have macro vision, 

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then you're not going to see the
watch. 

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That way, that's. 
True. 

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See it more distant and the 
elements will not relate to each

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other in the same space that 
they do in photos when it's 

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really close up, right? 
So I think it's important to see

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it in person to know what it 
what it really looks like. 

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But then of course to see how it
fits because the numbers and the

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fit can be different because 
case size. 

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OK, case size is to me a a 
horrible indicator of fit. 

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It is one element, but it is not
even nearly enough. 

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If all you know is case size to 
me, then you don't know how a 

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watch will fit, because lug to 
lug is also very important. 

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But even that it's just not 
enough because it's how are the 

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lugs shaped. 
Many watches, especially ones 

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with bigger lug to lug 
manufacturers, will shape those 

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lugs so they turn down very 
quickly. 

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Yeah, that's true. 
And then it's different how it 

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looks on you. 
Different. 

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It looks different then how the 
Casein bezel are shaped. 

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Can also have a huge effect on 
how big it looks. 

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That's where the OP 41 came in. 
You know, it didn't have a super

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long lug to lug. 
It wasn't a super thick botch, 

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but it's just felt too big on my
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But it's because of the way the 
lugs were shaped, the the the 

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way that it fit across the 
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together to show like or not to 
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the way it does. 
So you got to try it on. 

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Yes, so I was thinking about 
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right. 
The OP's in colors. 

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I was like cool for someone have
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They're my favorite watches. 
But since I've talked about that

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I thought about another one and 
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of different visually I can be a
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that. 
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about the Patek Nautilus, and 
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like quickly associate things, I
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Teletubby head. 
This just in. 

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Actually. 
You're probably not the first 

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person to say that, but that's 
amazing. 

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Yeah. 
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about how it's kind like it's 
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has like these little. 
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And so. 
I I see it immediately when you.

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I was like, oh, that's like a 
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watch. 
That's an amazing collab that 

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should happen. 
Protect and Teletubbies. 

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I don't even know. 
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see it in person here in 
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Sotheby's was like, hey, come 
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I have not saying what it was. 
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tone vintage Nautilus. 
It looked perfect on me. 

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It was a great size. 
It was a reference, 3800. 

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OK, very impressive, 'cause I 
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in this much. 
Life.com. 

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I will yes write what reference 
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And I will post photos. 
I'll pull the photos from it. 

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But then I was like, whoa, this 
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was gorgeous I think. 
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realized, is how different a 
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Because as soon as it wasn't 
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teletubbiness kind of went away 
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And so all of a sudden I was 
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something different. 
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So that was a watch that I 
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love it, yeah. 
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Still not a watch for me, but I 
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different way than my first 
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Funny, because when we walked 
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watch, you said that was a watch
for you and you started looking 

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at yes. 
I did. 

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I did. 
I I think you cooled on them 

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over time, but you did fall. 
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like go full. 
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thing that I think is a great 
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try on a watch, and how trying 
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actually be enough. 
That's true. 

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This is about you. 
Oh, it's about you're you're 

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picking my stories there. 
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Because when you go try and 
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especially if it's on a 
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going to size the bracelet for 
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So typically you just drape this
watch. 

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You know the bracelet will be 
too big on you. 

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You drape it at RAD. 
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pieces of foam that you can put 
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little bit, but the reality is 
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Small wrist problem. 
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multiple times at RAD you? 
Never cared about. 

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It and you were well. 
You were like, oh, that's nice, 

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but it doesn't fit me that 
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It doesn't feel that great on 
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And then when you were with Brit
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and your wrists are similar and 
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you fell in. 
Love. 

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Then I fell in love. 
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completely different to actually
have it on and have it in your 

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size. 
I've even been at a watch event 

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and someone let me try on their 
Sky dweller no a squad squad. 

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I'm making a lot of sounds 
today. 

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I'm also making a lot more 
voices than normal so I'm like 

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in anti mode a sky dweller and 
his wrist was very similar size 

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to mine. 
It was so I wish I took a photo 

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of it because I was like you 
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You could win. 
I could rock a sky dweller. 

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So it does make a big 
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I I completely agree. 
You got to go try things on, 

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yeah. 
We would love to know what watch

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have you turned on? 
Turned. 

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Turned on.