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It's episode 13 of this Watch 
life. 

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Hi, I'm Lydia Winters. 
And I'm Voo Bui. 

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And today we have a real treat 
in store for you. 

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It's a good old fashioned voo 
bui rant. 

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It's a no. 
It's not a rant. 

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It's not a rant. 
What is it about water 

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resistant? 
About water. 

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Do you have very strong opinions
about it? 

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And thoughts? 
Sounds like a rant to me. 

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Water resistance is one of those
things that gets people fired 

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up. 
So it's a rant. 

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But does it get you fired up? 
I don't think it does. 

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Yesterday I accidentally said 
100mm water resistance. 

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On yesterday's. 
Millimeters, so I'm not an 

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expert at all. 
No, you're not. 

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I think most people understood 
what you were getting at there. 

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But I I really do think that 
water resistance is one of those

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topics that comes up a lot. 
There's a ton of opinion around 

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it, and that is the part that 
really gets me, because this is 

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just about facts, like it's 
science, like water is going to 

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get in or it won't, and your 
opinion on what might happen 

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doesn't really have any bearing 
on the reality. 

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But I do understand why a lot of
people get confused about this. 

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There's a lot of interesting 
information out there. 

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So this isn't around. 
This is education. 

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Be educated, yo. 
Well, actually this is the 

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beginning of my education and 
discovery. 

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I will continue into the future.
And I think I will absorb it for

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sure. 
Water resistance joke Absorb. 

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Hermetically sealed. 
So it didn't absorb. 

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Oh, OK. 
But I have a little. 

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I wanted to do a little history 
lesson for water resistance so I

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could contribute in any way to 
this episode. 

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And so we're going back in time 
to the 19th century and in 

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around 1917, people start 
working on water resistance, 

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watch it, water resistant 
watches. 

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They're calling them waterproof.
You could do a whole episode on 

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that. 
Not waterproof. 

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Waterproof. 
Water resistant. 

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But look, it was the 1900s. 
They can't say what they want. 

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Wild West. 
But a thing I actually didn't 

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realize is that at scale, Rolex 
was the first to make water 

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resistant watch cases in 1926. 
And they actually had a female 

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ambassador, which is cool. 
Mercedes Glites, who wore the 

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oyster as she was trying to 
break the record across the 

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English Channel in 1927. 
Yes, swimming across the English

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Channel, which takes like more 
than 10 hours. 

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Oh yeah. 
It feels, feels like a thing I 

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don't want to do, but very 
impressive. 

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Very impressive. 
And they did a big ad campaign 

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for this and they said Miss 
Mercedes Glites carried I should

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have like an old timey carried 
an oyster throughout her race 

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and channel swim more than the 
hours of submersion. 

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Wait more than 10 I can't read 
and have an have a old timey 

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accent. 
More than 10 hours of submersion

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under the most trying conditions
failed to harm its perfect time 

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keeping. 
No moisture had penetrated and 

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not the slightest corrosion or 
condensation was revealed in the

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subsequent examination of the 
watch. 

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But that's not the most fun 
fact. 

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The most fun fact is, in all the
photos she wore it on her wrist,

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but when she swam the English 
Channel, she wore it Lydia 

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Winters, oris patina style on a 
ribbon around her neck. 

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Was that because it was too 
uncomfortable? 

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No idea. 
Trying to search it, there was 

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not a but I mean that could 
really call into question the 

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water resistance because of the 
power of the arm stroke, so. 

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Dynamic pressure. 
And now I handed off the dynamic

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pressure to you there. 
There are a lot of myths out. 

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There one last thing. 
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this from both Cartier and Omega
with with waterproof watches. 

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We're going with the 1920s. 
Waterproof back in that day. 

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It's it's interesting. 
So it's been almost 100 years, 

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yes, since we've had waterproof 
wrist watches. 

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And it's still widely debated. 
It's a hot topic among watch 

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nerds. 
I I should be clear about what's

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such a hot topic. 
There are things like these 

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myths around dynamic and static 
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Most of that is is bull and you 
can go out there and you can 

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read these very long detailed 
smart sounding articles about 

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how dynamic pressure will 
totally change your view. 

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What's dynamic pressure that 
would be like if your arms were 

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stroke, like if you're doing? 
Swimming, right I. 

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Am not a swimmer and I'm 
currently just my arms are 

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flapping. 
Around. 

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I don't know. 
I'm not an. 

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English. 
An English. 

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Channel swimmer, I guess. 
But yeah, dynamic. 

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When people are talking about 
dynamic pressure in terms of 

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watches, usually what they're 
saying is like as you move 

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through the water, it creates 
more pressure because of that 

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movement. 
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scientific rebuttals of that 
just saying, yes, that's true, 

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but the speed that you'd have to
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create meaningful additional 
pressure that could affect the 

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watch, none of us can move that.
So they're saying like, you 

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can't swim that fast, bro. 
Basically, that is what they're 

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saying. 
Really, it's not a concern for 

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you. 
It is not a concern. 

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So so that can just be pushed 
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And then that's just part of 
like the overall there's lots 

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and lots of myths and just weird
beliefs about water resistance 

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when it comes to watches. 
So I was like, OK, let's start 

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with where should we start? 
We should start with what the 

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manufacturers say, because 
they're the ones who have to 

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deal with returns and warranty 
issues and all of that. 

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So at least they should have a 
sense of what a watch can do. 

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Yes. 
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scientifically done a lot of 
research on it. 

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They. 
Designed them, they test them 

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and they put them out into the 
world and then they get the 

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returns, yeah. 
And then it sits on my wrist and

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I never swim with it, but I 
debated all day long. 

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This is, that is not what we're 
talking about here. 

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OK, so I I looked at a bunch of 
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that don't even tell you what 
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claims even mean, but for the 
ones that do, so there there's 

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the on the one in the one corner
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Told you, it's like a rant. 
Now it's a fight. 

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Grand Seiko Oris These are part 
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basically say that 30 meters of 
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is only enough to withstand 
splashes and rain. 

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You can wash your hands. 
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You're fine. 
But do not submerge your wrist 

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well. 
You can submerge your wrist. 

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Do not submerge your wrist 
watch. 

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OK. 
OK, five bar for Seiko and Grand

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Seiko. 
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resistance. 
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swimming. 
But for Oris F5 bar, on their 

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diagram, it's a person in a 
bathtub. 

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Oh, you can bathe with it, but 
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Bathtub so you can bathe with 
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Very specific bar. 
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submerge. 
So already that that's two 

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different, completely different 
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But then if you go to Omega and 
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like, I really, I'm going to 
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find out why is their approach 
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I'm just going to read what they
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All current Omega watches are 
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defined by the model 
specifications, provided that 

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the components ensuring the 
water resistance are intact. 

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This means that an Omega watch 
that is water resistance has 30 

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meters, can be worn for swimming
at depths of up to 30 meters 

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underwater for extended periods 
without restriction. 

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First of all, that's a way 
better way to say it. 

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It's so clear because my bathtub
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have just assumed that I could 
be splash flashing around there 

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with my watch. 
But maybe you couldn't. 

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But it's so not only is that a 
very clear way of stating it, I 

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I don't think that Seiko, Grand 
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were very clear. 
But I I think it's it's such a 

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different approach to say ours 
are marked 30 meters when you 

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can go 30 meters underwater and 
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And these other manufacturers 
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can get water on it and it's OK.
And is the other and is that 

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difference like across more 
brands than Grand Seiko, Seiko 

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or yeah? 
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Most brands are using that Grand
Seiko Oris kind of well, bar is 

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just a a, a marking of pressure.
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bar. 
That's just different ways of 

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saying the same thing. 
Science with Rolex. 

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They don't go into the level of 
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they're saying something very 
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They say all Rolex wristwatches 
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They're still using. 
Waterproof on their. 

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Website 1920s baby to. 
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for oyster perpetual models and 
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8 models. 
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those depths. 
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You should be able to use those 
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That's similar to how Omega is 
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Yes, OK. 
Like if it says 50 meters, you 

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can go down 50 meters. 
That is what they're saying. 

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And I I think that like there is
something different here and. 

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But is that difference just what
they're saying or is there 

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actually a difference in the 
manufacturing and they're taking

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different approaches and that's 
the part that I want to find out

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for a future episode diving 
deeper. 

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Wait, that wasn't even meant. 
To be a pun, you turned into a 

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pun, pun, pun pun. 
I do think. 

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I guess the big question is 
really so for me, I have done so

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much in my watches. 
I mean I think I said in in a 

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recent episode like I've gone 
jet skiing with 100m water 

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resistant wash It didn't even 
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had owned at that point for 
three or four years and had 

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never had it tested. 
I have been lucky to never have 

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water ingress in a watch and I 
am a person who swims with their

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Speedmaster professional. 
Yeah, I was going to say that's 

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the one that like the the 
swimming with the speedmaster, 

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that's like its. 
Own genre of it's it's it is 

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it's it's only genre there. 
Like the amount of discussion 

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around swimming with your 
Speedmaster is huge, but. 

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And you did. 
I have done it. 

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I my Speedmaster was the only 
watch that I regularly had the 

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seals checked though. 
You didn't trust it. 

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No, it's that it felt like 
there's more points of failure. 

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You got all these, all these 
different places. 

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It's like, OK, I'll just do what
they say. 

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Well, they say check it every 
year. 

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I checked it every three. 
Yeah, close. 

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Enough. 
Perfect. 

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Yeah, yeah, but my other watch 
is I I I don't even they get 

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checked when they go in for 
service. 

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So anyway, the reality is none 
of this probably matters because

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most people don't even swim with
their dive watches. 

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No, I don't. 
No. 

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Well, no, that's not true. 
You you've taken many watches in

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the water. 
You do it in Florida. 

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Oh. 
Yeah, but I but like surface 

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level. 
Like the bathtub. 

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Bathtub adjacent. 
Barely, You know, just like on 

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the surface. 
Paddling. 

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Well, all that dynamic pressure.
Yes, of these little puppy paws 

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going put in the water. 
I I find it a little bit. 

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I find it fun and a little 
romantic and kind of adorable 

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that people care so much about 
water resistance ratings. 

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And I I think it's pretty common
for people to say I won't even 

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use a watch that has less than 
100 meters water resistant 

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anywhere near water. 
And I I just find these rules so

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interesting because it it's part
of how we collect watches. 

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Like these are the things that 
we care about and these are the 

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things that we put so much 
importance on. 

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But I don't know if they're 
actually that important in our 

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day-to-day lives. 
Because like for me, when I 

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think of a gotta go anywhere, do
anything, watch, I'm like, yeah,

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it should have 100 meters water 
resistant because at any moment 

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I could find myself swimming in 
a pool. 

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I could fall in a river or a 
lake. 

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I could. 
I cannot think of the last time 

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you have done any of those 
things. 

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But I'm saying any moment I 
could you. 

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Could if I pushed you into a 
lake or a river or a pool, but. 

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I think that's what's so 
interesting about it. 

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Watches. 
I think for many people, watches

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can represent who you think you 
are, but know you really, really

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aren't. 
Yeah, if you are some chumps in 

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there with a 50m water 
resistant, everyone's going to 

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know. 
You don't. 

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Adventure, you don't do 
anything, You're just holding it

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up outside the bathtub, one arm 
in the air. 

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Can't even deal with the rain. 
Can't even deal with the rain. 

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But I OK, I am going to take it 
upon myself to find out even 

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more about this subject. 
Oh, we are. 

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I'm so glad you decided that no 
one asked for. 

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It. 
No, no. 

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Everyone's asking for it. 
Everyone wants. 

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We need to get to the bottom of 
this. 

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Why is the? 
Bottom but. 

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Why do all of these 
manufacturers have different 

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recommendations? 
And what do independent watch 

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service technicians and watch 
makers think? 

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Well, these are the questions. 
Thinking Rant Part 2 coming your

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way? 
After more. 

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In depth research jets in The 
Jets below below 150 meters are.

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You done punning? 
No. 

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Will you ever be done punning? 
No thank you for swimming along 

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for this episode about water 
resistance.