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Welcome to this Watch LIVE. 
Hi, I'm Lydia Winters. 

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And I'm Vu Bui and Anne Jaeman 
asks what part of the watch is 

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the first thing you fall in love
with when you see or feel it. 

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Oh, OK. 
Oh boy. 

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A lot. 
This is a huge question. 

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Even though she's only asking 
what's the first thing? 

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Yeah, it's still like, OK, my 
first part of my answer. 

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OK. 
Of course, you're like, I have 

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many parts to this answer. 
OK, go ahead, go ahead. 

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Is that it Depends. 
Oh hmm. 

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Vu is answering with a question.
Yeah. 

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Oh, but OK, OK. 
Realistically, like I think the 

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dial for me is like a really 
significant part these days and 

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like it, it depends. 
It's hard not to start with the 

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dial because it is the thing you
read on a watch. 

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So that is true, right? 
And in photos of watches, which 

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is often where we first see a 
watch, we, we often first see 

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them on Instagram or on YouTube 
or, you know, somewhere online. 

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Usually, at least for you and I,
our first time seeing a a watch 

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is not in person. 
Very true. 

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Like for whether it's a new 
model or just one we haven't 

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come across, we're probably 
going to see it online first. 

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So then because the way we take 
photos, the dial is a 

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significant portion of that 
watch. 

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It's a significant portion of 
that photo because usually 

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photos of watches are quite 
close up and the dial is a 

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significant, Yeah, I mean. 
Yeah, it would be weird if you 

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were like, Oh yeah, this cool 
watch the bracelet's nice dial 

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like dial's a little. 
Well OK, OK, maybe that is 

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extreme, but I could see with 
certain watches like your Royal 

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Oak that the bracelet literally 
draws the eye first. 

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Yeah, it's shining. 
Yeah. 

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But it's still. 
No, it does. 

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It does draw the eye, but it's 
still like the dial. 

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Also has to be equally as 
awesome in my opinion. 

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I guess awesome has different 
definitions. 

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Oh, no. 
OK, OK, OK. 

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I think a lot of this depends on
also the design of the watch. 

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What is this watch about? 
Like if I think about my Rolex 

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GMT Master 2, which as I say, is
usually what I consider my 

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favorite watch, whether or not 
that's true, hard to know, You 

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know, I can't like actually know
what my brain wants, but I 

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usually think it's it's at least
top three watches in the world 

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I'm talking. 
Like of watches. 

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Yeah, of watches, period. 
Pepsi, Rolex, GMT Master 2. 

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But to me, I don't care about 
the dial at all. 

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To me, it's just a nice shiny 
black dial with nice indices. 

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But I don't consider the dial 
special, I consider the bezel 

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very special. 
I was kind of putting the the 

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bezel in. 
I was just thinking about like 

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the watch head then. 
But that's fine. 

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Yeah, but that's not the dial. 
Yeah. 

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OK. 
Then if we're just talking about

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dials, but sometimes the bezel 
is the thing, so. 

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When I OK, if I look at my watch
collection right, or at least 

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part of my watch collection, a 
big part of what I'm interested 

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in is obviously dials. 
Like my Oris Momotaro has that 

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beautiful green with the few may
like, you know, Grand Seiko 

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Taisetsu is a watch that feels 
like it's almost entirely about 

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the dial. 
It's not, but it can feel that 

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way sometimes. 
My new Nomos Tangente, well we 

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haven't gotten them yet, but the
one that I've chosen, the high 

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fish grout, it's all about the 
dial. 

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In fact all 31, they were about 
the colours of the dial, like 

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the watch didn't change, only 
the colours of the dial. 

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So that dial is a huge part of 
the personality of that. 

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The new Mr. Jones ricochet that 
I bought that that's all about 

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the dial. 
My little pinball arcade. 

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Yeah, it's robots playing 
pinball. 

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I haven't even posted a photo of
that. 

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One. 
No, not. 

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Yet I haven't even really worn 
it yet. 

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I think it's still got too many 
watches in right now, but Corona

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Toki, even though that dial 
isn't super complex, although it

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is actually quite a complex 
style. 

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It's also the color of it is so 
bold, that kind of salmony color

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like so dials are a huge thing 
to me. 

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Whereas I do have many friends 
who collect watches and most of 

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their dials are just a more like
simple black dial. 

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So obviously it's not like 
specifically the dial is what's 

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drawing them in, although design
is a part of the dial as. 

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Well, yeah, exactly. 
I think that that's the thing. 

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Colour isn't the only thing that
can draw you to. 

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A yeah, Because you have 
different. 

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I mean, we did a whole episode 
on like, indices, numerals. 

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Yeah, you know, yeah. 
And so you think about that too.

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It's like all of those small 
details that are on the dial. 

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But I, yeah, I do think to me, 
the case shape is also part of 

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that initial feeling like with 
the dial. 

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So that's why I would say it's 
not like dial first. 

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It's more like for you. 
Yeah, for me, for me, for me, 

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it's not dial first. 
It's more like watch head first,

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the whole like the the sum of 
that, because it would be the 

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bezel would be included. 
When I, when I look at a watch 

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with a bezel, I don't think 
about the bezel and the dial. 

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I think about it together, you 
know, like, I don't think like, 

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oh, the Pepsi is great, but if 
it had a white dial, I'd like it

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more, you know? 
Those kinds of things. 

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No, I kind of like, take it 
I've. 

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But. 
I don't know. 

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Wait, but like, there's 
literally a version of the Pepsi

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with a meteorite dial. 
Yeah, you know which is white, 

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grayish, right like and and so 
those options do exist where you

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have a watch that the only thing
to that changes is the color or 

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even the texture of the dial, 
like the Nevada Grinchen F-70 

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Sevens. 
Right. 

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I mean, I have 4 OP's, so yes, I
do understand this concept very 

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well. 
I'm just changing the color. 

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So, yeah, but but what I mean is
like I also had to have liked 

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like the overall watch in those 
cases to like the colour change,

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if that, yeah. 
But I'm gonna go back to the 

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question. 
OK, OK, OK. 

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What part of the watch is the 
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with, right? 
So it's not even it's not the 

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biggest thing. 
It's not even the thing that 

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keeps you in love with the 
watch, right? 

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This is like, what's the first 
thing? 

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So I think that what you're 
saying is actually probably more

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common like that I probably am 
not drawn first to the dial, 

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it's what maybe is lore long 
lasting for me, but that the 

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first thing might be like the. 
The sum of everything. 

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Yeah, the whole package. 
Yeah, the whole package. 

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I, I do think for me, that's 
what I think because sometimes 

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no going negative, but sometimes
I love the whole package. 

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And then as I get into the 
details, I'm like, not that one.

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What? 
No, Oh no, you know, So I do 

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think that actually like the 
details and, and that may or may

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not sway me for or against it. 
But one thing I've noticed is 

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especially because we are 
looking at watches online all 

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the time and you and I talk 
about it a lot, is like when 

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you're looking at a macro photo 
of a watch. 

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So you're looking at maybe like 
really close up of the indices 

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or, you know, even just the 
watch, like the entire watch 

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dial and that's like taking up 
the whole frame. 

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That will never look like that 
on your wrist. 

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It's way too. 
Big unless you have zoom eyes, 

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which I want zoom. 
OK. 

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I'm just saying. 
That's your superpower Zoom, no.

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It wouldn't be a superpower, it 
would be like an upgrade. 

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Oh, an upgrade to a. 
Like a technological upgrade. 

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Oh OK, zoom eyes. 
Yeah, just like lenses that 

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could zoom, you know, just like 
just an upgrade, OK, I guess. 

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Yeah. 
Anyway, Yeah, there's I'm 

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waiting. 
For glasses for that though. 

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Zoom glasses? 
I think those are just called 

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binoculars. 
Aren't they like just magnifying

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glasses? 
I don't know well you. 

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Need I just made-up this thing? 
It's called a magnifying. 

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Glass. 
Glass. 

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It's glass and it magnifies 
things OK, and if you layer 

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multiple ones on top of each 
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Anyway, one of the things I've 
noticed and we talk about a lot 

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is like you'll never see the 
watch in that form on your 

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wrist. 
So there is also this like you 

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do need to zoom out to the whole
package because sometimes when 

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you look at images, they're all 
so close up that you get a 

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distorted view of what this 
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Literally distorted depending on
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yeah. 
So I do think for me it's a lot 

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of the whole the whole package. 
Well, so for a long time, and 

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I'm not saying I'm I'm over this
yet, but like vintage vibe in a 

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new watch was like an instant 
like, all right, I'm interested.

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Oh yeah, for you, like, yes. 
Just just like, even just a 

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vibe. 
Boo Boo catnip. 

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It could be any watch of any 
brand and boo's like oh wait. 

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Oh. 
Did I see? 

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Did I? 
Feel a little bit vintage? 

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Vintage inspired. 
Did you write that photina? 

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Yeah. 
You're the opposite of other 

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people. 
You're like, give me the 

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photina. 
But like, I think about even 

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like the Black Bay 58, the black
with with guilt. 

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I remember seeing that watch and
just being like, Oh yeah, yeah, 

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just just the whole vibe of it. 
Mm hmm. 

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And for sure part of that was it
being vintage inspired. 

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The Railmaster, the Seamaster 
Railmaster 1957 edition, Like 

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totally. 
It was just the package. 

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It was just, I looked at it and 
it was like, Oh yeah, vintage 

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vibe, really like that. 
But that's been changing for me.

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Not that I don't like the 
vintage vibe anymore, but here's

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the thing. 
I'm surprised I still like 

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watches, right? 
Because, like, I'm more of a 

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serial hobbyist. 
Yeah. 

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So I get into things and then I 
get out of them. 

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But many times the top hobby 
spots come back around. 

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Yes. 
So that's. 

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What I've learned about VOO, 
it's a, it's a cycle. 

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You're just like, ohh, let's 
just wait and then I'll jump 

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back into that. 
But. 

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OK, OK. 
But that's my my core hobbies. 

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My core hobbies. 
They're cyclical. 

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They come back. 
So photography is a core hobby, 

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and since I was a teenager, 
right. 

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Like, it's just like it comes 
back and a cycle could be a 

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year. 
It could be months, but it's not

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gonna be 10 years. 
No. 

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Right. 
Like it comes back quite often 

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and quite intensely. 
Biking is also like that. 

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Biking comes back fairly often. 
Yeah. 

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But then there's a lot of 
hobbies that either are on a 

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long cycle, like guitar is on a 
long cycle. 

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I could go 10 years without 
playing. 

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Guitar. 
But then when you do you can 

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just. 
Get back back into it or like 

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I've had a lot of short term 
hobbies where I try it out and I

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think this is me now, this is 
who I am. 

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Yeah, you're all in I. 
Am a fountain watch writing 

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person a fountain watch, 
fountain pen writing What's a 

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fountain watch? 
I don't know, but I don't. 

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Want it sounds kind of cool 
anyway, fountain pen and I was 

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like, OK, I'm now going to base 
my entire life around the fact 

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that I'm a fountain pen person. 
So during that time, this was 

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years ago, we were traveling 
constantly and I'm like, I had 

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to have a very specific set of 
things to make sure my fountain 

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pens wouldn't leak when I travel
because being on the airplane 

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and the pressure and all of 
these things and it's like I'm a

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fountain pen person. 
But then I realized I don't 

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really write. 
No, no, I write much more than 

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you. 
Oh. 

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Yeah, you're right. 
All the time. 

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You write notes, you write 
things like it can be calming 

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for you. 
It can be all these kinds of 

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things. 
I tried to write a page, you 

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know, back then and like, my 
hand cramped up like a page in a

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journal. 
So I'm like, oh, I, I don't 

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think I like. 
This I guess I have to get I 

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mean I. 
Could have worked. 

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That 100 fountain pens. 
Yeah. 

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So, yeah. 
So watches though are definitely

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a longer term thing for me. 
However, within watches then I 

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do expect that other things will
be cyclical what I'm into. 

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That's true. 
And that has shown itself to be 

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true. 
That is true because you do a 

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sort of deep dive on maybe a 
genre of watches, like right now

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you're very into like Japanese 
watches. 

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You. 
Know and and so then, but 

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sometimes you're very into 
German watches, watch making and

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so you know, I can see that at 
different times. 

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Yeah, and the the danger, I 
think is to be like when I'm in 

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a down moment for a certain type
of watch, to not just be like, I

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don't want these anymore, I'm 
gonna sell them all off. 

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Yeah, that's although. 
I have sold two of my 3 Rolexes 

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and Rolexes in a down for me and
so that's why I'm like I cannot 

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sell this. 
Yeah, yeah, exactly. 

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I'm like, don't do it. 
Don't, don't, don't do it. 

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OK. 
My answers are, I'm going to 

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say, fluffier. 
Oh, fluffier. 

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Fluffier than yours. 
They're more about the feeling. 

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So I think one of the first 
things sometimes is actually, 

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you're going to be like what? 
It's the story of who I want to 

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be when I wear the watch. 
Whoa, whoa whoa, why? 

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Why is that? 
This is who I am. 

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I. 
I agree with you completely. 

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I just. 
Talk about it, because I think 

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about like when you bought me 
the Cartier Tank. 

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I'm trying on a lot of watches 
at Neiman's UR, which you know, 

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there still are AD 10 years 
later. 

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It was 10 years ago that you 
bought me the Cartier Tank Solo 

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and Rose gold, and to me, even 
putting that on, it wasn't 

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really about the watch. 
It was about the feeling of 

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having the watch, of being the 
like, owning being. 

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The person who owns that watch? 
Yeah, exactly. 

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So I'm like thinking of like 
this person who will be more 

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stylish, more confident, like a 
real Princess Diana type, you 

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know, like so. 
I will say your style after 

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getting that watch has also like
been on quite. 

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I mean, better's a hard word. 
I would agree better but better.

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It definitely changed though and
became more you like you defined

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yourself more. 
So maybe, maybe that little 

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watch was a turning. 
Point, I think so a turning 

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point watch, we haven't talked 
about that. 

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I mean, that's for the old 
school listeners. 

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Turning point watch. 
OK then sometimes seeing it in 

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real life in person, I mean 
people are like in the middle. 

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I do actually agree occasionally
that's that ends up being like 

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taking away the initial reaction
of like, ah, it's fine to like 

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whoa, I love this. 
I think about seeing the 

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turquoise OP back when I didn't 
care about any of the colorful 

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OP's not. 
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And the first time I saw what 
that color looked like in real 

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life, that's so then that's 
really the dial. 

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I was like, this is incredible. 
Like this colour blows my mind 

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and I just want to photograph 
it. 

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I want to wear it all the time. 
OK. 

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Then I have seeing it on other 
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I have quite a few examples of 
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Never cared about the Daytona, 
like just was like, it's it's 

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fine. 
Like it's an icon. 

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Not for me. 
That was kind of like, I didn't 

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even try it on. 
It was just like OK, I've seen 

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them, nothing pulls me in. 
Seeing it on Brit Pierce, no 

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ones going to be surprised. 
My my idol and best friend Muse,

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yeah, my muse. 
Also seeing it on her wrist, I 

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was like, okay, now when I look 
at this, I see it differently 

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and then it's the whole package,
but it's also the whole package 

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of it being on someone that I 
love and that I think it's so 

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cool and I'm like, OK, I want to
be that. 

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Yes, by watch now You you. 
Know like that I feel fairly 

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confident that is what part of 
brand ambassadors are doing. 

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Yeah, yes, that is. 
You're like, hey, they look so 

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cool. 
In it, they look so cool in it 

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and it's like the thing you have
to remember. 

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Like, let's say you see Daniel 
Craig wearing, yeah, an Omega, 

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and then you're like, he looks 
so cool in it, but you got to 

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remember he kind of looks cool 
in everything. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
I mean, he looks cool dancing 

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around out of an elevator. 
So. 

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I mean, whatever. 
Yeah, whatever he's doing, 

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you're like, oh, just cool. 
So that that's how I felt about 

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my ambassador, Britt Pierce. 
Yes, but it did. 

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It was also like seeing it on 
someone's wrist who's a more 

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similar size to mine, which I 
hadn't. 

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Seen in in. 
Person so it's you know that 

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too, and I also thought about so
when nomals for watches and 

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wonders when they they released 
their 3110 gente 38 and I was 

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like, okay, I've I've seen that 
watch before. 

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It's a little it's big for me. 
So I'll just like, enjoy seeing 

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them, seeing the colors, but I'm
like, I'm not gonna get one. 

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And then when we went to the 
booth, everyone who worked at 

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Nomos was wearing a different 
one. 

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So they all just got like 
randomly assigned the colors and

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suddenly seeing them on a 
variety of wrists. 

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And how like when it's a little 
oversized on smaller wrists, it 

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actually I really liked the 
look. 

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And that made me feel like, oh, 
OK, I can wear that. 

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So all of a sudden it was like I
had initially liked the colors, 

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but it's not for me. 
And then suddenly there's this 

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change. 
That's not really what this 

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question was originally. 
But we're we're don't just turn 

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this question into whatever. 
I'm saying you're taking a 

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loosey goosey approach to this. 
Answer in fact, OK and then 

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there's the last one, which is 
like feelings you can't describe

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of like AI find it's. 
Like most feelings, I think. 

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Well, that's true. 
But I find this of just like a 

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magnetic pull towards a watch 
and you, you don't really know 

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why. 
And so I say this because no, so

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I say that I'm going whole 
package. 

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I say this because I have 
recently put a deposit down on a

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watch. 
Yeah, I've gone against what I 

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have said. 
You're saying? 

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This out loud? 
Yeah. 

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I know I've gone against what I 
have said, which is that I will 

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not buy watches if I haven't 
tried them on 1st. 

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Or even seen them in person. 
Yeah, in. 

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The metal yeah. 
So this is an all of the above 

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have not have not, but yet 
there's like this magnetic cool 

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that I was like. 
I have to just see if I could 

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get one because I really love it
and I still haven't exactly have

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like a clear picture of why. 
It's just the whole, there's 

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something about it that I can't 
stop thinking about this watch, 

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so I'm not telling what. 
It is, yeah. 

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Liking it? 
Yeah, I'm not telling what it is

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yet, but I'm excited and I'll 
pick it up in September in 

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Paris. 
Those are the hints. 

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I think that's like 300 podcast 
episodes away or something. 

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Exactly. 
So hopefully not. 

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OK, So what draws you first to 
all watch? 

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We'd love to know I'm. 
Just saying. 

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We would love to know what you 
think, not what Foo think. 

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I already listened to that.