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Welcome to this Watch LIVE. 
Hi, I'm Lydia Winters. 

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And I'm Boo Booy. 
It is Monday it is. 

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I got a case of the Mondays. 
Oh, do you have a case of the 

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Mondays? 
Yeah, actually it's funny 

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because my mom had never seen 
Office Space and my brother 

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brought it up when I was there. 
And I've. 

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I don't know that I've ever seen
my mom laugh so hard during the 

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movie We and it was just amazing
watching Office Space with my 

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parents. 
When did that come? 

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Out like 20 years ago, a long 
time ago. 

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I mean, I saw it as an adult. 
I never, I was too young when it

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came out. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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But I have a case of the Monday.
Yeah. 

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OK, so Angie Man asks, what is 
more important in your decision 

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to buy a watch? 
Your heart or your head? 

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Luckily she didn't ask your 
wallet because that one always. 

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Gets the wallet should be more 
connected to your head. 

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Yeah, it gets a big swift kick 
from the heart. 

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That's my answer. 
Here's the thing, like my first 

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reaction was like, of course I 
used my head in this stuff like,

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and then I was like, no, if I 
used just my brain, just like, 

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this is big. 
Your brain. 

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Huge, massive brain right? 
Like this was just thinking with

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my head. 
Then I would wouldn't wear 

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watches. 
I maybe I'd wear one watch ever.

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Like I'd just own one watch that
I own OK. 

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And then every other watch I 
would be out like Wheeling and 

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dealing, trying to buy and flip 
watches and make money off of 

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them. 
That's true. 

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Sinking my entire life into them
financially and emotionally. 

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Yeah, that's true. 
So we're going with it's all 

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heart for us. 
All heart because the head is 

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like, what you doing over there?
You just stop, right? 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, and I'm like. 

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And the heart is like you. 
Shut it and the heart is like, 

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shut it. 
Should we have a watch podcast? 

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Let's go deeper. 
Let's let's keep going. 

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I like to think of myself as a 
pretty rational person. 

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That's true. 
In general, I I think I'm 

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considered a rational. 
Yeah, I like to think of myself 

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as not that, no. 
Go ahead. 

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But I use my brain right? 
Like I and I think I. 

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Would like to clarify, I do use 
my brain since now we're just 

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going rational. 
Is using of the brain OK? 

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Go? 
Ahead, use my brain often. 

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OK, OK. 
Like I think so, but OK, I think

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when it comes to watches or, and
I'll extend this to any kind of 

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collecting that I do, which 
includes all the collecting I've

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done that I regret that it's all
heart. 

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Like it's only heart that 
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like that. 
To me as the collector that I 

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have been, it's only about 
stories, connections, people. 

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This with watches. 
It's like the romanticism is 

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like this very historic 
technology that you wear on your

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wrist. 
I almost said ancient 

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technology, but maybe that's 
that's a little too. 

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But it's a historic technology 
that we wear on our wrist. 

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And I think that's a very 
romantic notion, but absolutely 

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not just a purely rational 1. 
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look at her question, what is 
more important in your decision 

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to buy a watch, your heart or 
your head? 

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So I think there's like in the 
decision to buy a watch, the 

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decision making is heart. 
But I do think and but I think 

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for me then the just watch 
itself is heart for you. 

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I think there is some of your 
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Mine my head is not used in this
process, but your head is used 

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in terms of like. 
Technical. 

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Aspects. 
Yes, exactly. 

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Yeah, there are technical 
aspects that I can be amazed by 

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or appreciate. 
And or be like this is a deal 

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breaker. 
Water resistance, this is a deal

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breaker. 
Quick adjust quick. 

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Adjust, although you may say 
that your only heart. 

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No, I know you've. 
Sold watches, actually the only 

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watch you've only ever sold one 
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You OK, But your Omega you got 
rid of because it had a big old 

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chunky bracelet and you were 
like, I don't like this big old 

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chunky bracelet. 
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So that is a rational thought 
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emotional. 
That was a portrayal of my 

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heart. 
OK, OK, but I I also think that 

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there's logic used in how I get 
rid of watch. 

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Yes, that's true. 
But also how we buy, I think 

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it's more of like the end result
is that like final decision goes

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to, goes to heart, but. 
Yes, of course. 

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Throughout the process, you're 
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it was only heart like you said,
you wouldn't you? 

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Well, first of all, you would 
just buy anything and everything

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that you liked. 
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Which since we still have a 
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That's true. 
And we haven't spent all of our 

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money then our heart is not 
fully leading all the time. 

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Not all the time, yeah, but like
when I so when I thought about 

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like what are the aspects that I
think about when buying a watch,

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right? 
Almost all of the ones that lead

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me to decide on that watch are 
heart, right? 

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Because even things like design,
color, style, like that kind of 

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stuff that speaks to my heart, 
right? 

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Like even like the the different
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to evoke certain things, all 
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is like evoking emotion. 
Yes, very. 

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Much so. 
So it's yeah. 

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For me at least. 
I will admit that I am basically

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just a gigantic like Watch 
Heart. 

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Yeah, but I think we use our 
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rationalization because then we 
go straight to like, why do I 

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need this watch? 
Because there are many watches 

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that I could have. 
So you're like going like the 

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choices. 
But also I already have a lot of

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wonderful things, therefore my 
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reason. 
Yes, yes, yes. 

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Yes, Why? 
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Not even a good reason, just a 
reason. 

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Go to buy that watch. 
And in that moment, I don't 

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probably fully admit to myself 
that, oh, this is just an all 

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heart decision. 
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rationalization is like, no, no,
this makes sense. 

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Yeah, I'm. 
Very smart. 

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I'm very smart. 
And this is how we try to 

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outsmart ourselves, which like 
that doesn't actually work. 

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I don't believe, I don't think 
you can outsmart yourself. 

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It's like when I was younger, I 
used to, you know, this is just 

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a trick that people use. 
And this is when, like, you 

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didn't have a mobile phone that 
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somewhere. 
Right. 

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I would set my watch and my 
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because then it's like I'll 
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then you get used to that 5 
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So then I have to set it forward
10 minutes and then after a 

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while it'd be like at 20. 
And then I'm like OK now I just 

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need to reset because this is 
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Like I cannot outsmart myself. 
I just factor in what I know to 

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be true. 
So the only way to do it would 

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be to have someone. 
Else say it, yeah. 

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But then you don't know. 
I wouldn't know, but you'd you'd

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end up finding out the first 
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Looked at any other, you can't 
outsmart yourself. 

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No, I feel like that's like 
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that you were just setting it. 
I was like 17. 

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OK, OK, well then then maybe you
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But it it is fun to think about 
like which is your primary like 

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the starting of loving a watch. 
Is it more of this, you know, 

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like in your head, like all this
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This is so cool. 
This is so interesting. 

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Or is it that heart of just 
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we're talking about heart as 
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connection instantly with a 
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I do think that I, I guess 
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really stop to think about it, I
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I might be head first and then 
heart because typically I take a

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long time to really like 
something and I have to kind of 

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convince myself. 
From like you learning that it 

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exists. 
Yes, or like trying it on. 

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I need to like try it on, I need
to think. 

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I mean, if I think about like 
the colorful OP's as a very good

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example of like not interested, 
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Like heart was not in it at the 
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Even trying it like trying on 
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was like the color is better 
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the mean reaction. 
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kind of start. 
Start. 

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I don't know that that's him. 
I don't know. 

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That's not Yeah. 
What is it? 

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That's still heart the whole 
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Yeah. 
It's like in the beginning 

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you're like, eh, and then you. 
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Like it's just a slow burn. 
That's the same way I fell in 

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love with you. 
And slow burn, slow burn. 

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OK, we're in love, I guess. 
Actually, that's true. 

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All heart. 
The next question Lazy bones 2O6

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asks thoughts on customizing 
watches like Bamford watches 

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type stuff, not Seiko mods. 
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So I I believe then they're 
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it customized, not you're 
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You can people who are. 
Doing it? 

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I I would say probably just more
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modify them themselves. 
People don't do stuff anymore. 

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Yeah right. 
Like this isn't the 1940s where 

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everyone knew how to fix 
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Oh no, this is such a relevant 
now you're going off on a like a

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I just think that. 

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We've lost. 
People need to make things. 

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I do think that people need to 
make things. 

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I think we need to be able to 
repair things. 

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But anyway, OK, OK, so. 
But to me, I still want to talk 

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about both. 
OK, we can talk, I think about 

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both, but there's actually I 
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there's probably many different 
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like three different types in my
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So you have one is like fully 
like you customize your own 

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watch and that's like a piece 
unique. 

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So when we think of like the 
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watch. 
Do something like you. 

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Take it to OH. 
You sorry you. 

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Still, you're still taking it to
someone you. 

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Could do it yourself. 
Well, OK, I guess there's four 

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categories. 
OK, so the like the the 

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expensive category of like 
you're taking it to like a high 

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end customizer, whether they're 
like engraving the whole 

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bracelet, which people do or 
they're changing out the dial or

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whatever. 
But it's like you end up with a 

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one of one. 
Then you have more of this like 

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what I would say like the 
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customizing but doing like. 
Choosing from a. 

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Menu or like but a series of 
watches. 

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It depends. 
You can go to their website and 

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you just pick exactly what you 
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OK, there's it's a menu. 
There's a it's. 

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Like it's, it's typically, you 
know, there's a bunch of these 

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companies, they offer a bunch of
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So you may end up with a piece 
unique because if there's ten 

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different color options on 10 
different parts of the watch, 

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like that offers you quite a bit
of customizing, right? 

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However, I wouldn't use all 10 
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But yeah, I guess I was 
thinking. 

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More of the. 
Bamford collabs and that's 

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different because that's not a 
custom. 

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OK, OK, so, so there's still 
only four types if you one like 

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you go. 
You take it to a customizing. 

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And you know, you're getting a 
sort of one of one. 

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Then there's the like. 
Choose from a. 

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Choose from a menu of options. 
Design your own. 

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Those are two similar things. 
Yes. 

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Then there's like getting mods. 
Yeah, like mods that are made 

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either by someone else or 
they're like you're getting. 

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Their mass produced mods. 
Yeah, and then the 4th one is 

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you just start doing weird stuff
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Didn't think which is. 
Pretty cool. 

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It's pretty cool, yeah. 
You're just like, you know what,

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I'm going to just start to it. 
It makes me think of like when 

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my dad shows me watches at in 
back at home in Florida, he just

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pops off that case back and he's
just, you know, like he's not 

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customizing, but what he's doing
is. 

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But he doesn't treat it like 
it's so precious. 

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And I think, OK, so number one, 
I love all four of those 

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options. 
I think they're all cool. 

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But I also understand because I 
feel it too, why there's such a 

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resistance to it these these 
days. 

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And I, I think that like, I, I 
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our modern culture and the watch
industry is like obsessed with 

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resale value. 
Yeah, yeah, it that's all. 

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That's the only thing you can 
say is like I don't want you to 

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customize it because it doesn't 
retain value. 

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Yeah, Do you see it all the time
on forums and all this stuff? 

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If anyone does anything to a 
watch, it's like, do you know 

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that you just destroyed the 
resale value? 

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And here's the thing. 
Do you know that you just paid 

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double to have someone customize
it? 

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I mean, the money wasn't a 
thing. 

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It's also like we the this is a 
fairly recent thing in human 

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history is that these days we 
buy things and we don't intend 

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to keep them that long, right? 
Like otherwise we'd just buy one

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watch and just use it your whole
life and get it repaired and 

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and. 
If that's you right now, just 

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leave this podcast. 
Just take your. 

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One away. 
Take your one watch off, turn 

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this off and save your life 
here. 

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Just just save yourself. 
Just save yourself now. 

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But OK. 
So it used to be you'd buy a 

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thing and then you'd just keep 
it. 

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So maybe you'd have to put a 
little more thought into what 

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you want for a really long time.
But I would say the modern day 

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society. 
But then also watch collecting 

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hobby is more about like buying 
things to use for a while. 

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Yeah. 
So then you need to think about 

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that. 
You can resell them. 

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Exactly. 
And so then if you don't buy 

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something with the intention of 
keeping it forever or with the 

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thought that you don't care 
about money, right, then yes, 

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customization's very easy choice
to make. 

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The thing that holds you back is
like, I might need to sell this 

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or want to sell this and I will 
get more for it if it's not 

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customized. 
Unless it's one of those that 

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you talked about where you're 
taking it to some high end 

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customizer who might do this 
intricate engraving on the case.

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And that actually could add 
value to a watch because there 

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are people who would value that,
right? 

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As opposed to just like maybe 
swapping out the dial and you 

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get some different colors or 
like someone comes in and paints

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something on the dial. 
Like that is a customization 

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that's probably not going to add
a lot of value to a watch. 

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And so then resale value becomes
a thing. 

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But then it's also, are you 
talking about a Rolex or are you

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talking about just any watch? 
Yeah. 

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I mean, I think The thing is, as
long as you're not, I was going 

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to say, well, I was going to say
as long as you're not 

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customizing someone else's 
watch, then everything like it's

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your own watch. 
Do what you want. 

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But then I was like, wait a 
second, I have customized the 

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watch for someone else. 
So have you? 

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Because if you engrave the case 
back, you can change it back. 

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But a lot of customization you. 
Can undo. 

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But a lot of customizations you 
can, there are some that you can

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undo. 
So there's also that factor. 

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So sometimes you customize for 
someone else. 

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I remember. 
And in that way it's. 

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OK, a few years back I wanted to
buy a Rolex OP and then buy an 

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authentic Rolex, dial an extra 
1, get it customized and then 

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swap them out because then I 
could. 

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Just undo it, yeah. 
You could I could just undo it 

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if I ever wanted to sell it. 
So it's one way as you can do 

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certain customizations that can 
be undone. 

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Like you said, engraving is is a
great one because it's just. 

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Like engraving on the case back,
but if you engrave the whole 

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bracelet with the I mean. 
But again, as there are a lot of

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things you could customize where
you could undo them, yeah. 

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But then there are 
customizations where you're 

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like, no that. 
That now? 

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Destroys the watch, but it's not
too far because it's your own, 

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so again, it's totally fine if. 
It's your it's what you value 

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and what you're trying to get 
out of it. 

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As I get further into this 
hobby, like my brain part, you 

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know, as we talked earlier, the 
brain doesn't have much say in 

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this, but my brain part actually
really wants less. 

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I feel like I've moved from the 
kind of newbie collector that I 

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was for 10 years of just still 
trying to just figure out what I

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like and what I want to this 
next phase of super enlightened 

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collector. 
Oh. 

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Thank you. 
Thank you. 

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To Mark chose 12 principles. 
We're now enlightened collector.

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It was all thanks so much. 
But like I, I feel like I'm in a

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new phase where I will make 
decisions that can be more, it's

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hard to say permanent, but it's 
like that are more long lasting 

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because you know, as when you 
get into anything, you change 

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your mind a lot in the beginning
because you're learning so much 

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new information and so much 
changes. 

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And then as you learn more and 
more and more than you change 

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less and less because there's 
less huge revelations, right, 

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because you've gone through all 
those revelations. 

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So I would say that now I'm 
getting closer and closer to the

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point where I'd be much more 
open to customizing a more 

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expensive watch in an undoable 
way because I'm like, this is my

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watch and I'm going to keep it 
forever. 

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So if I do this like that's 
totally fine. 

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Yeah, then you have to know that
you like that style forever. 

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I think that's the trickier 
part. 

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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. 
That's tough. 

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I mean. 
A lot of things about this, 

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though, that are like 
percolating in my in my brain, 

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maybe in my heart, who knows? 
That's a lot of. 

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Percolation, I think in both 
places, but it around these kind

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of like things that I'm starting
to think about as I'm getting 

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deeper into collecting. 
I mean, OK with clothes, right? 

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I bought a sewing machine. 
Mm hmm. 

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Because I wanted to be able to 
repair my own clothes. 

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Yeah, right. 
People don't make things anymore

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the way they go so. 
Anyway, yes, that was part of my

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thinking is that we in this 
house we should be able to 

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repair more things and clothing 
is I. 

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Take advantage of this even if 
I. 

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Have repaired quite a few 
articles of clothing for you, 

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but when I've gone to do these 
repairs my. 

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Enjoyment actually comes from 
customization, right? 

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Like so I got into visible 
mending, visible repairs. 

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And so as opposed to just like 
trying to very quietly and 

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invisibly repair things, I like 
to do things that actually 

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change the design of the article
of clothing. 

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And so to me. 
Now the article's like, hey, 

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I've been repaired. 
Yeah, basically, look at me. 

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What's been? 
Cool. 

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Is that because it's so there 
for people to repair their own 

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clothes and especially with 
visible menu, it's such a rare 

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thing that when I wear these 
articles of clothing, which are 

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usually my favorites, that's why
they've worn out over the years.

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People are like, where'd you? 
Get Yeah, they look. 

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Really. 
Cool. 

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Cool, I'm going to post an image
on the on our Instagram. 

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Do I do? 
You have? 

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Yeah, I. 
Think so? 

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Any of my clothes. 
OK, Yeah. 

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Because it's really cool. 
They can be. 

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I haven't done that much yet. 
Yeah, but. 

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Let's not oversell it, but it's 
still. 

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I'm already walking back on 
this. 

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No, but it's. 
Still, it's still cool to repair

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things and to customize them. 
I also like customizing stuff. 

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And so I think it's fun to think
about a watch. 

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I'm definitely not committing to
this, but to think about a watch

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that perhaps might maybe be 
custom. 

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Well, this morning I was talking
on Instagram with Ken Arkin. 

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Right, Watches and said we we 
were talking about finishing on 

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watches and I was like, you 
know, it would be really cool to

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take inspiration from the knife 
community and do like APVD or 

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DLC, like black coated watch 
case, but then you tumble it so 

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that it actually looks worn and 
they do that with knife blades 

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and it looks so cool. 
But then you'd have to choose 

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the right kind of case. 
So I brought it over like, OK, 

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maybe like the an older black 
Bay case, you know, the original

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black Bay because those slab 
sides give you so much room. 

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It's like this big candle. 
So you'd really get to see the 

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effect of the finish. 
So then it got me started to be 

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interested in like, OK, what are
ones I can do at home? 

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Because I I know also for knives
like acid etching, is this this 

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really cool thing where you use 
acid to change how the metal 

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looks? 
O and now I'm thinking I want to

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do some of this type of mod. 
At home O. 

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Acid etched watch cases, but it 
means I need it's going to be a 

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little while it's. 
Going to be a little while. 

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Yeah. 
Wow. 

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Because I need all the tools to 
disassemble and reassemble and 

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do it cleanly. 
You know, like, yeah. 

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Oh, wait, there are 5 levels. 
I'm back to the five levels of 

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customization. 
The fifth one is no. 

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And you're just like, I'm a 
heart. 

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That's a. 
Zero level, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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Which is also totally. 
Fine, it's totally fine because 

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it's not. 
For everybody. 

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It is your watch and you get to 
decide what you do with it. 

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Have a great day.
