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It's episode 12 of this Watch 
life. 

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Hi, I'm Lydia Winters. 
And I'm Vu Bui. 

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And today, we're going to talk 
about Turning Point watches. 

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We always talk about the watch 
that got us into watches. 

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That's like a very common 
question in the community, but 

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we wanted to talk more about 
some turning point watches in 

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our collections. 
And a turning point watch is a 

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watch that shifts your 
collecting in some way. 

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It it's sort of there's a before
and after this one watch, 

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there's maybe it's just your 
philosophy about collecting what

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you collect it it it it's a 
turning point. 

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Things turn. 
Things are not the same as they 

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were before the point, a turning
point, because they turned and 

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things happened. 
So today we're just going to go 

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over my turning point. 
Yes, it's a Boo Booey Turning 

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Point episode. 
Turning Point Watch is not life.

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I find this exciting because I 
do think people focus a little 

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too much on just the origin 
story when they talk about watch

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collecting. 
But often times the origin is 

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not the most interesting. 
So I'm really interested in 

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other people's like it's it's 
like why more than why they got 

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to watch. 
It's like, what did that watch 

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then do to them? 
Yeah, I mean, because I think 

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it's because with the origin 
story, we're mostly talking 

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about the watch that sucked us 
down, This rabbit hole of like 

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endless money spent and time 
like the pit of despair. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
That's a sad moment. 

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Yeah, that you're like, I can 
never go back. 

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There is no before, There's no 
before. 

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OK, OK, I'm going to get 
started. 

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The first watch on my list that 
I I think really changed my 

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relationship with watches was a 
watch you bought me in 2012. 

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So this was a little while back 
and it was, for me hitting a big

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milestone. 
And you got what at the time, 

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was the biggest gift either of 
us had gotten for each other. 

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I mean, cuz I'm amazing. 
Is that why? 

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Or were you just prepping me to 
buy you a bunch of? 

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That's what I usually do. 
It worked. 

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I like a one for two. 
So I give Boo one expensive 

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thing and he gives me two back. 
That's my goal. 

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So first one was the TAG Heuer 
Carrera Caliber 6 and you let me

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pick this one out, we went out. 
Together. 

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Because I knew nothing really 
about watches at the time, and I

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wanted to get you something 
special for a work milestone. 

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And yeah, you I we just went to 
the store. 

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I don't know how much you 
actually thought about it 

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before. 
A lot. 

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Oh, OK, good. 
Because I didn't. 

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I was like, hey, I'm going to 
buy you a watch. 

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It's interesting because, you 
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watch it, it was a turning point
for me in many different ways. 

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I mean, in one sense, I mean it 
was my first luxury watch, what 

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you would consider a luxury 
watch. 

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So by far the most expensive 
watch I had ever owned. 

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I did not purchase though, 
because I bought it. 

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But also, it marked a few 
interesting things. 

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So for one thing, I really 
wanted A tag Hoyer. 

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Yes, you did. 
And even though in the past few 

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years I have not been at all 
interested in the tag Hoyer 

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brand or tag Hoyer watches. 
Although now there's something 

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called A tag Hoyer essence. 
Like A tag Hoyer Renaissance, 

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but you put it together. 
Tag Hoyer. 

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Yeah, I'm not good at saying it,
but I yeah, it looks better in 

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print. 
Once again, kind of like fryer. 

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Don't don't say it, don't say 
it, just say it. 

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Yeah, tag is. 
You know, coming back. 

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But this was way before they 
were coming back. 

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And I just remember it. 
It took me years to figure out 

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why did I want A tag Hoyer over 
all these other brands in that 

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moment of my life in 2012. 
And I remember my boss when I 

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was like, I don't know 22 
working at Oakley the Sunglass 

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Company and he we had Oakley 
watches and you know we wear 

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Oakley watches. 
They were cool. 

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But he said one time like, yeah,
but one day when I've really 

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made it, I'm going to get A tag 
Hoyer. 

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And that moment stuck in my head
subconsciously and made me feel 

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for a decade after that, that a 
true mark of success was A tag 

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Hoyer watch. 
So when it was time for you to 

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get me a gift that marked a 
career milestone, I was like, I 

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want A tag, Hoyer. 
That is a. 

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That's a whole. 
That's a whole. 

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Other topic is just how you have
these watches that you know the 

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brand before you know anything 
about watches. 

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That's so interesting. 
I love that. 

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Story When we went to buy this 
watch, I still knew very little 

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about watches. 
I had been collecting very 

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affordable watches, just fun 
pieces. 

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And what this tag, why it was 
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is actually it changed my 
relationship with watches from 

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just a fashion accessory that I 
just put on my wrist and wear 

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and not really. 
Care about you weren't wearing 

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watches. 
All the time, single day to 

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something that I felt was 
important in itself and when I 

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put it on it made me feel 
something. 

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Whereas the previous watches 
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Shocks and just you know, fun 
watches that were fun. 

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And I had a few of them. 
They they they weren't important

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to me, but this one was, and 
this was the first time I felt a

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watch could really be important.
Yeah, I think that moment that a

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watch, you put a watch on and 
you realize you never want to 

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not have, never not stop it. 
You never want to not have a 

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lot. 
I don't know why I'm going at it

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again, that you always want to 
have a watch on your wrist. 

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You don't need to double 
negative. 

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Here forever, I think that is 
always like a turning point 

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watch. 
Sometimes it's the origin watch,

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but like for me it no spoilers 
for my episode. 

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But for me it wasn't the 
original you know watch. 

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It was a different one. 
But it's, yeah. 

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So my second Turning Point watch
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I walked in to the AD and I was 
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I think I want to get one of 
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At the time, they were black 
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The This story really, really is
time. 

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Period. 
It really shows you what. 

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The time of the world it was. 
Very different going on back 

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then. 
I walk in and the Eddie says, 

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yeah, actually we just sold our 
last one. 

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You're going to have to wait two
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What 2? 
We and I said what? 

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I'm not waiting two weeks for a 
watch. 

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That's ridiculous. 
What do you have in stock right 

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now? 
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I'm not waiting two weeks. 
No one would ever do. 

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That never bought anything. 
Never. 

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Bought a watch. 
The only watch I own. 

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Lydia bought me and I'm walking 
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Two week wait. 
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Went with my second choice, This
is not a distant second, which 

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was the Rolex Explorer to polar 
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And I. 
After I bought that watch, I 

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think the big thing that changed
for me with watches was feeling 

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like a watch was an important 
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for travel and adventure. 
You know the tag. 

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I wore it in all kinds of 
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I'd take it swimming. 
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crown, but it had 100m water 
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I took it everywhere. 
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Watch survived all kinds of 
stuff, but I didn't consider it 

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an adventure companion. 
It was just on my wrist when I 

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did those things. 
It's like you you you were like 

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what tool watches. 
I I still don't think I had 

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heard the term tool watch in 
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But I bought this watch and 
suddenly it was like, I had this

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cool companion for travel, for 
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It's a GMT. 
So the travel part was like, oh,

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I just love getting on the 
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And I had my little routine of 
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had to change to the new time 
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we're no longer here, we're 
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Yeah, you always really love 
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And I was like, what time is it?
I don't have a My watch is the 

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wrong time from the time zone I 
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I'm going to. 
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You're still just trying to sell
the loosey goosey idea, But 

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yeah, this watch really changed 
my thoughts on even just like 

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having watches for specific 
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And that, you know, watch isn't 
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time. 
It may also be the watch and 

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companies you on adventures, or 
the watch you want to wear to 

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special events, or the watch 
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All of those things suddenly 
became possible and enabled all 

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of the collecting that was to 
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Yeah, I mean, it's what we 
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you when you get the one watch, 
a lot of times you want to have 

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the watch that can do anything, 
go anywhere, do anything. 

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I mean, even the tag for you, 
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100mm water is it like, I can 
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But then as you start 
collecting, you're like okay 

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now. 
It's an adventure watch, you 

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know? 
It's not just a watch I could 

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wear, because in order to make 
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we need to categorize much more 
specifically. 

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So now it's like, oh, this is an
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this type of spelunking. 
Only my. 

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Spelunking journey, Spelunking. 
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was made for, and Boo is always 
spelunking. 

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You know, and I only wear that 

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watch for that specific purpose.
OK. 

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Next watch. 
This one was much more recent. 

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This was in 2021. 
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two weeks. 
I did have to wait more than two

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weeks, multiple months. 
It was. 

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I think sometimes it's nice to 
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That's probably a controversial 
opinion. 

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But if you wait for something 
for many months and you still 

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want it, or maybe even want it 
more, I feel there's more of an 

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impact when you finally get it. 
You know, even though you're 

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only waiting because it's just 
not available. 

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Not like you're waiting to earn 
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You're only waiting because it's
not available, but it does 

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increase the excitement. 
Anyway, very different from the 

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guy who couldn't wait two weeks 
to waiting like. 

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The world had changed. 
So in 2021 I bought finally my 

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Rolex GMT Master 2 BLRO, also 
known as the Pepsi, and this 

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watch made a change that I truly
could not have seen coming. 

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No, me. 
Neither. 

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I really didn't see it coming. 
But after I got this watch, 

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which when I finally received 
the watch, put it on my wrist, 

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wore it home, wore it for 
multiple weeks in a row, I felt 

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it was the perfect watch for me.
It for me, my lifestyle, who I 

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want to be, not just who I am, 
but like who I see myself As for

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my style, how I dress, what I 
wear, where I go, like what type

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of events and what type of 
travel and what type of things I

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want to do in my life. 
This watch felt like the perfect

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one for all of those and it felt
like, wow, I could be A1 watch 

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person and I can own this watch 
and nothing else. 

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And the problem with loving that
watch so much is it killed my 

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desire for other watches, and it
made me evaluate new watch 

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purchases in such a different 
way that it's been very 

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difficult to buy watches since I
got this watch, even though it's

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been 2 1/2 years. 
Yeah, it really. 

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I mean, I was surprised too. 
I mean, I knew that you love 

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this watch. 
You wanted it so much. 

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You know, that honeymoon period 
where you're like, oh, look at 

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my wrist. 
But then it just kept going and 

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going and you were like, this 
watch, this watch is so amazing.

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And I think the next, the next 
year after that purchase, I gave

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you a watch, but that was it. 
You didn't get any other watches

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because you just like you just 
loved it too much. 

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I do and it it's still. 
Or a good amount, yeah. 

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There's no such thing as loving 
something too much. 

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Well, not not inanimate. 
Well anyway, I'm not going to 

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get into obsession, but I I feel
like I still have that. 

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Problem is that every watch that
I'm interested in, I have to 

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think when would I rather wear 
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own? 
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to against my GMT Master 2, but 
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it changed how I viewed owning 
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Yeah, would you call it a 
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It definitely a turning point. 
Watch it. 

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Really just made. 
A turn and a point. 

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Point of turning that that now I
I I collect differently and that

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actually luckily my 4th and 
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I'll talk about today helped me 
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To bring you back into spending 
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more watches. 
And that was the Hamilton Khaki 

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Field Murph 38. 
I hadn't really been that 

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interested in what I considered 
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affordable watches, sub $1000 
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Like, I think they're cool, but 
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that's where you start. 
That's what it felt like to me. 

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You start in there, that 
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But over time, I've started to 
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all these different watches at 
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It's not a level that you're 
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points. 
You can approach it that way, 

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but there's no reason that you 
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No, it's a lot more about your 
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want to collect because some 
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more watches and you know at A 
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accessible to you, you can have 
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And some people don't want to 
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They're worried about, you know,
the safety concerns or image, 

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you know what that says about 
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There's all kinds of reasons to 
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different price points. 
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higher price equals better, 
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Especially with things like 
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So I bought the Hamilton Khaki 
Field Murph, which I spoke about

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in episode 2, I believe, about, 
you know, how how great that 

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watch was for me. 
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my eyes more to this world of 
sub $1000 watches and the 

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immense joy you can get out of 
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Because when I bought that 
watch, I was as happy and joyful

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and excited and giddy when it 
arrived as I have been when I've

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bought much more expensive 
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And that realization that it's 
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quote, high end watches that can
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turning point for me. 
That's probably a good turning 

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point. 
I I I hope so. 

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It feels positive. 
I think it it really allows you 

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to expand your collection in a 
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You started real, you know, real
big, basically by getting the 

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tag and then going straight to 
Rolex. 

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So I think this is a good, you 
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evolution you kind of did the 
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that's kind of interesting too. 
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So I would love to hear about 
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Point watches. 
Yeah. 

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What was the watch that turned 
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before the time? 
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I I really am interested in 
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it's not just that it tells you 
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actually it tells you very 
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more about the philosophy, how 
these people think about their 

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watches. 
The philosophy and watch 

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collecting. 
So yeah, tell us. 

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Tell us your turning point. 
And for now. 

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Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, 
bye, bye. 

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It's a Tuesday. 
Let's do it. 

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Bye bye bye. 
I hope you. 

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Have a wonderful day.
