My hot take is that this raid tear, which was poised to go
down as one of people's favorites of all time because of
the theme and the colorful bosses and some of the way the
bosses play out. I actually think this is going
to go down as one of the least enjoyed raid tears for the
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Hello, and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
I am one of your hosts, the true villain Manny, AKA Manny, and I
am joined by the other two parts of the Triumphant, starting off
coming from, you know, parts unknown, we'll say Lex.
Lex, how are you doing and how's the World of Warcraft been
treating you? It's good.
The World of Warcraft is treating me well.
I got I didn't do a ton last week, but I got back into delves
this week and because I am capable of admitting when I'm
wrong, I tried a tier 9 delve for the first time.
And I will say that even though I wasn't getting a higher level
gear reward, the fact that it was more challenging made it a
more fun and more rewarding experience.
So that was good. Oh yeah.
I'm, I haven't, I really should do things with my priest because
healing sounds like it's doing pretty well this tier.
But levelling I've never been able to manage alts.
It's just like I every couple tiers, like every couple patches
I'm like, oh, I can totally do an alt and I get them like
halfway to Max level. And I'm like This is why I don't
do alts and I never play it again.
Yeah, I mean, I've finally started doing alts and getting
pretty deep into like, well, I mean the war band, I've got
Maine and three alts and the three alts are roughly there for
professions to get to keep things going.
So I've been, I've been happy with that.
But I'm glad that you are getting a little more challenge
out of Delves. And then let's go to the third
part, returning from about of illness.
I'm hoping you're feeling much better.
Sean, how are you doing? Good Manny.
I am a million times better than I was at this exact moment last
week. It was not a good scene here.
I'll never eat another hot dog again.
Oh no. It was pretty, pretty rough.
Yeah, I'm doing. I'm doing good.
The game's doing well. We're rocking and rolling on
both NA and EU. Yeah, things are going well in
Warcraft. I feel like we can't say Lexus
and Parts Unknown anymore because I'm certain we've said
her state a couple of times. You don't know.
She could have moved, you know, I'm pretty sure.
I've posted my actual address on my Guild discord, so if you
really want to dox me, just go hop in the Timbermont Tavern
discord. I don't think we'll do that.
We'll leave. Places where you could have
doxxed yourself unknown, and we'll just let it fall into the
the fog of war that history allows.
You can do murloc noises that it's it can be on the list of
things that I probably shouldn't say out loud.
And then I say on a podcast, immediately I'm like, why did I
say that on a podcast? Well unfortunately you guys are
out of luck because I am going to go far less on the editing.
Oh, I. Can.
Swear as much as I want. I would say I.
Mean I'll just bend the episode at a certain, certain point,
it'll just be like, well, that's just too much work and it won't
go live. So you guys, you guys test it at
your own leisure. I heard I heard Lex on another
podcast last week. Oh yeah.
That's how time works. I was on live laugh floor which
was very live. Laugh, Lex.
Live laugh, Lex. There's no more when I'm around.
It's just me, Just Lex. Yeah, it was a great.
But you know, you get to live and you get to laugh.
So how was that episode? Oh, it was so fun.
It was I, I always have so much fun.
Jin is a lovely person to record with.
And we were just talking about the raid, which is very fun
because we're on the same raid team.
So we got to just, you know, like chat and, you know, talk
about what our team was doing and all the like.
Fun, different things. And the raid is the raid's a fun
thing to chat about because it's just a little silly.
You can just kind of get into the fact that it's a little
silly. Yeah.
I love live Lafleur. I love Ali and Jen, and I have
never had a bad episode recording with Jen.
I just think it's it's so much fun and it's so delightful.
So definitely go check that out and go check out Live Lafleur in
general if you haven't. Yeah, there's no better way to
enjoy listening to Lex than with a little bit of gin.
There you go, but speaking about the raid, we are now past the
Race to World First. We have crowned a winner and
everything. You were not here last week
Sean, so we did talk a little bit about it.
But I really do want to give you the stage to give your
impressions because out of all of us, you are the person who
was most up to date on everything going on and you have
the mythic experience from your own playthrough.
So how was the Race to World First in general and how is the
rate for you right now? The raid for me right now is
good. We're currently working on Styx
Bunk Junker, which is this tears Ovanax.
That's the big wall. Early on in the raid, the
Blizzard said they weren't going to do that.
They did, yeah. So we're working on that.
It's it's caught some nerfs which help, but it's still an
extremely difficult fight that requires the use of a week or A
to properly do so. That's good.
It's yeah. But it's fun though.
The fights have been fun. Rick Reverb was fun.
We killed him last week, called in a car and it just fun.
And we're looking forward to the fights coming up.
But we also are understanding that the fights coming up will
fall off a bit in difficulty plus you.
Don't get to roll around in balls.
Because we don't get to roll around in balls, yeah.
Other than rolling around on balls though for the for the
listeners at home that aren't diving into mythic, I've done it
on heroic. I haven't done it into mythic.
How does the weak or work? Like what's the Why is it
necessary? So you break the room, you put 4
four world markers down breaking the room into quadrants and then
the weak or assigned you what quadrant you roll on your ball.
So when you get, because each quadrant has a scrap master,
which is targeting a player with an ability that will one shot
them if it gets off. So every ball has to get to
middle size and roll up your scrap master before that cast
finishes. And in order to do that
efficiently, you need to know that each one is accounted for.
So you do that by assigning quadrants.
There's not enough time to do that manually or by verbally
saying so and so take this so and so take that.
So you need a weak or to assign it.
And then there's also the two bombs in each quadrant to take
care of. So the Wiggori is essentially
puts on your screen for arrows that are color-coded to whatever
your quadrant is. And then you go and you're
responsible for the scrap master and or bomb in that quadrant.
That sounds. So fun, like I can totally hear
that that was not well tuned and that makes it less fun.
But like conceptually that sounds like a really fun like if
if it was maybe managed a little bit cleaner.
Yeah, it's yeah. Sorry, I don't mean to like
define your experience for you. No, it could be.
It's not unfun. It's just, I don't know.
It's it's just irritating to know that yeah, it's not fun.
I don't enjoy it. That's.
True. Never mind.
It sounds terrible. It sounds really stupid, I take
it. Back.
It will be fun if it didn't like if, if you could just do it
right. Like in heroic, you get you get
assigned balls, people can just do them.
You grab a scrap master, you hit the bomb, there's 4 balls,
there's two bombs. There's two scrap masters in, in
heroic, I think maybe 3 depending on your its scales
based on your, your size, probably you can Yolo that, you
know what I mean? You can just go, you don't need
a week or to assign that. But we have to like we have to
update this week or a pack every single raid day.
Every member of the raid team has to update it because it's
going to assign these quadrants and it's it would just be.
And it's like, can we just design that bosses where, where
we don't have to make these decisions in such a short time?
Please learn, learn one lesson. Learn any lesson from these
bosses where we've had these problems in the past, like echo
of Noetherian. Just just please learn this
lesson that you need to give more time so the players can
compute it themselves instead of requiring a week or.
Or just assign it right, like make it so that the game it's
like you know, will come up and you can only go in your one
quadrant and. They're capable of.
I think what frustrates me the most, it's like you just have
kids. Either of you have kids.
I have a dog which. Is basically the same right?
We just left every parental listener by the way they all
like immediately signed off like never hearing this again.
I know neither of you have kids. I have a kid.
But it's like when you you tell your kid like this is what you
know, when you're done playing with your toys, you put your
toys away. And you watch them play with
their toys every day. And every day they put three of
their toys away. But they leave two of them on
the floor. So you know that they know to
put their toys away. You know they know because
they're doing it. It's like, I see you, Connor.
I see you. You're putting your toys away.
I'm very proud of you. Thank you.
You're great. But then they leave 2 toys on
the floor every day. Connor, why don't you put these
away? Oh, I didn't know.
I had to. You didn't know you didn't know
you put them away. One armed bandit and this, this
is what I'm getting out of this one armed bandit is great
visually, it flashes in giant neon on the sides.
What combinations are available to you that you can do that
won't cause you to put the boss into fraud?
And the enemies themselves have those arrows flashing on their
heads. So they, they learned you have
plenty of time to look and identify which ones to kill and
call it an obviously people are using we coral lists because
it's easier to track it, but you don't need it.
It's not mandatory because you could do it on your own if you
had somebody who was dedicated and you know, who was really
sharp could figure that out. So they know to put their joints
away. But anyway, that's, that's where
we're at. We're on, we're on Styx.
I'm looking forward to sprocket monger prog when Styx is done.
We'll see what happens. OK, but you just mentioned one
armed bandit though, and that's supposedly one of the hardest
bosses for its spot. Like that's boss number six.
One of the hardest 6 bosses in history is what people are
saying. I know different people have
been saying it. Wow had put out an article.
If you go over to Raider dot IO at the current time there's only
40 gills that have actually down that and we're now way through
week week 3. Yeah, I don't think I I think
you're mixing 2 narratives together.
Styx Bunk Junker is the hardest fourth boss in history.
One arm one arm Bandit is not the hardest 6th.
It is a difficult boss, but I don't think it's been called the
hardest 6th boss in history. I mean.
Not to generally quote this, but this is an article by Squishy
who was nice to meet but like only 30.
This is literally a day ago so hey, congratulations on 10 more
guilds making it through, but only 30 guilds have killed
mythic 1 armed bandit in 21 days.
Hardest 6th boss ever made is the title of the article.
And it's not just Squishy. OK.
Right, I have seen some other. I think the difference is 1 arm
bandits difficulty is tuning it's HP and it's it's it's
health values and damage values of the abilities versus
complexity of the mechanics. And that could that Canon will
be dialed down, but yeah, but it's that.
And I don't necessarily have a problem with the 6th boss being
harder and then the seventh boss being harder and then the last
boss being harder 'cause you want a damage ramp up.
Yeah, but I'm. Also curious how much the
difficulty of sticks place in or like I'm not doubting that.
I I listen we tried heroic and on the second boss we were like
oh maybe we were a little under geared.
So like God knows I am not. I don't know.
I'm only pulling this together from context clues.
I am. One thing that I kind of am
curious about though is how much the heavy stacking of difficulty
early on would affect numbers. Because if fewer people are
getting past sticks, then fewer people are going to be getting
to 1 arm bandit even. Yeah, the same thing happened
last year with Oven Axe and Kyvesa. 4000 guilds got stuck on
Oven Axe and then very few people killed the bosses after
that. And everybody was like, oh,
these bosses are so hard after this.
I was like, well, there's no teams even getting there.
That's just. And that goes to kind of the
deflated ending of the Race to World first, where with that
final boss having it get down by like 100 kills and then the next
one was like 50 kills, like less than 50 kills and then 104 kills
for the third, third kill. You're saying kill.
He's saying kills, but he means pulls for the lives, yeah.
Yeah, my apologies. Pulls in order to secure the
kill where it felt much weaker than previous bosses, especially
boss #4 that you were saying with Bunk Junker so.
Watching for example, for example, Styx bunk Junker I
think was a 200 plus pull boss for Liquid and Galliwicks was
100. So the fourth boss was I think
it was 200, but it was like double the pulls.
That's I I could check, but yeah.
Oh, I'm totally a liar. Because there's been, it looks
like, unless I'm misreading radar, IOI think there's been a
481 kills on sticks. But is that no, that can't pot?
Nope, there is. That sounds right.
Yep. So that I that that to 40 is is
not it's not that there's. AI mean there?
Probably is a little bit of a bottleneck, but there's not a
bottleneck from sticks to one armed bandit, so.
Yeah. No, they are.
But there are all, they are all that there's jumps there.
It's they're very, the difficulty is not linear in any
stretch of the imagination. It's it's all over the place.
They have it's probably the worst tuned rate I've ever seen
for tuning. But yeah, that's get another one
in three weeks. So don't worry about.
It that that is what I'm what I'm hearing is that the tuning
through this off I've I've heard people saying that like, oh,
this race was ruined because of the the tuning.
And just to go again, this is radar IO.
You're looking at bunk junker being 114 kills for liquid and
on its first one, you're looking at mugsy being 149 pulls before
its first kill. And then yeah, 100 kill, 100
pulls on the dot to get the first kill for for Galliwicks.
And there is now that now infamous pose of of just
shrugging Max being like, what? This is it.
So there's definitely a lot of contention with this and you're
not, you're feeling it in your progression.
Yes and no. Progression for us is a boat on
par where it has been in the past, but at this point last
year we were four of eight and this year we're three of eight.
Yeah, so I don't know, it's just part.
I don't know if it's part of it's the Racer World first
hangover, but the raid itself has not impressed me.
I've not enjoyed my time with it.
Once I get AOTC on my EU Guild I won't be farming this every
week. I have no desire to to be there
and it just feels like it just misses the mark a lot.
I we need a heroic week for tuning Like we obviously, very
clearly need a heroic week for tuning.
Blizzard is incapable of launching a raid tier tuned
correctly for either the race or the real world without one.
We have to have heroic weeks back.
We can't. This is not sustainable in this
in this state. It's just not fun.
It makes me want to not rate like your fellowship was going
to be playing that. It's that frustrating for me.
And it's just because like I, I know they can do that.
I know they can know how to put their toys away.
You know, I know they can do it. So please just do it.
And then even when they make tuning change, they missed the
mark. They tuned miss weavers and sent
the tune, sent the patch live Tuesday.
But the nerf, they gave them a nerf because some of their
abilities are too strong, but they gave them a compensatory
buff, but they didn't actually put the nerf on.
They just put the buff on. So Miss Weavers went live with
the 25% buff when they What are we doing here?
Must be adjusted. Yeah, and Survival Hunters went
live with an ability that was only supposed to have a 10
second duration and I think they gave it a 14 second duration or
something like that. It's like there, there was some
survival hunter thing that they did like, I don't know, man.
I, I don't know. I'm I, I worry for the quality
of the game we're playing. I mean, that goes to a refrain
that Lex has been saying, beating that drum for many weeks
now. Lex, would you like to?
I was going to be very polite after our last episode and say
like, let let everyone think it in their own heads.
I mean, yeah, I, I'm, I'm concerned that, as I have said
every week, it's not that we put out content slow or it's not
that the Blizzard team put out content slower historically
because they were lazy and liked to sit on their thumbs.
I think that there's a benefit to space and testing time both
for the sake of the employees, but also for the sake of the
game. I think that when things are
because you know, even if even I guess I should say even if there
is not an issue with the it's perfectly if there's not an
issue of crunch with the employees, that probably means
that the game quality is going to be affected even more because
again, it's not that it took it's not that historically
content took longer because the Blizzard team was spending all
of their time eating pizza right.
So if we assume that like either to put out content this much
faster, they. Either have to shove man hours
into a shorter period of time or do fewer man hours on patches.
If they're not shoving man hours into a shorter period of time,
patches are not going to be as well tested.
That's my take. I think that I think they should
slow things down, and that's not just because I want to cuddle my
puppy instead of doing dolls. Don't worry about that.
And to, to answer your question about the race specifically, it
was four days too long. The race, I, I, I, I famously
had to cancel my trip to Toronto because the race was still going
on on Saturday. And then they killed the bus on
Sunday. So the race they, they, they
literally killed it less than 24 hours later than I needed them
to in order for me to have been able to go to Toronto for the,
for the event. So that also factors into my
feelings on on this tear in this race.
We need a heroic back and I don't want a worst world first
that lasts more than seven days. I don't, I don't want it to go
over a reset. I, I don't, we hit that seven
day mark and I just don't care anymore.
I just want it to be over. It's not exciting.
It's not interesting. I I stopped watching like I
don't I'm not interested in it. Well, and the decision, I, I
will say very specifically the decision to layer a new patch
release and this content like, not this like community
organization, but there was going to be pulling a lot of
content creators in such a way that they did kind of block each
other out. Was not a choice I would have
made, especially given that they have this all mapped out.
It's like, I understand they're going worldwide, but I, I surely
do not think you were the only person who chose not to go to
the like. I'm I'm sure they were race to
world firsters who would have loved to go to.
I mean, I don't know where they all live.
I don't really follow the race to world worst, but like I'm
sure there are players who would have gone to the Toronto event
but couldn't because they were literally actively racing I so I
don't know how I feel about that.
I mean, but I guess that kind of is like how are they going to do
multiple events globally where like they're flying everyone out
everywhere they're going to, someone's going to overlap with
something, right? Like it's just too much time
that has to be covered. Wait till you find out what's
coming up in Boston because I got accidentally added to this
group chat on with a bunch of Blizzard devs and they're
sending out all the secret information and I'm in here.
I don't think I'm supposed to be.
But he's OPSEC. But yeah, don't worry, Absec is.
Clean. Well, you know, Blizzard
employees have standards, so somebody's going to lose their
job over that. I'm sure other industries said
that it's slide, but Blizzard has standards.
That's right. Going forward though, we've now
reached the end of the race, world 1st, and with the close of
that race, we get a list of changes, class balances.
You talked a little bit about it, about how the mist Weaver
we're supposed to get nerves and compensatory buffs and that
didn't quite hit right. So we're they're going to have
to come back and hot fix that in.
But we also saw a number of these meta specs getting hit and
brought back back down and a bunch of these like specs that
weren't getting a lot of play getting some buffs.
Now in some cases it feels like even if it hit as they had put
it down in paper, it doesn't feel quite like enough.
Like demon hunters getting a nerf, Sure, that's fine because
they were incredibly strong and they got a a nerf to one talent
that reduced their or rather increased their Perry chance,
and that's being dropped a bit. But Death Knights, which saw
almost no play in the race to World first frost, gets a 4%
damage increase aura and that's supposed to be enough?
That feels wholly lacking in my in my book.
Well. My understanding from the death
Knights not, and this is only from listening to my previous
death knight friend who now switched to a Demon Hunter tank.
My understanding of why Death Knights aren't getting play is
because the Death Knight utility is about pulling things closer
to you, and there aren't a lot of ads in this rage.
So short of adding new ads that was never like there, there's no
real way to make that like that. Utility just isn't going to
exist. Or or.
Fully redoing the demon the the the Death Knight utility.
There's an interview where they said we don't feel like Death
Knight needs to have a raid buff because the grip that they bring
is like their raid buff and then they implemented a raid where
90% of the ads cannot be gripped.
Yeah, I mean, we were just talking about bunk, bunk, bunk.
Sticks. Bunk Junker.
Bunk junker and if you could pull those ads onto the boss
right and keep them gripped so they wouldn't fly away, I'd pull
death Knights in and just have them like staggering their their
grippy hands. So like there's there's clear
things you. Can grip the territorial
bombshells, yeah, but the and I think the hyenas maybe, but you
roll them up anyway. But not the scrap masters.
No, the scrap masters in particular, because those are
the ones that like rocket away. That would be the big difference
maker. And then if you could grip them
in, then you could also have one person with one ball roll over
all of them, right? Then you wouldn't have to assign
quadrants. Or am I tripping out?
Yeah, but you'd also end up stunning the DK in the process.
It's just. Maybe it's worth it.
DKS are. Yeah, that's what they get for
being. I.
Oh yeah, I. Think that like if their damage
was high enough, if they were just bringing damage, people
would be like, OK, we're giving up some utility, but we're
bringing that, bringing the damage.
It's like Hunter's raid buff is a front loaded damage amp that
means very little when a lot of these fights really become like
the pressure points are at the end of the fights.
So like, I mean, there's spaces for it.
Like not every raid buff is like, I must have that.
So like when your utility isn't there, bring the damage.
But if you're not going to bring the damage or the utility, yeah,
I can understand that. My hot take is that this raid
tear, which was poised to go down as one of people's
favorites of all time because of the theme and the colorful
bosses and some of the way the bosses play out.
I actually think this is going to go down as one of the least
enjoyed raid tears of all time. Like right up there with like
Emerald Nightmare and Crucible of Storms.
Crucible of Storms was Crucible of Storms was the Nightmare.
Emerald Nightmare, I like, I think it just went so fast and
was so monotonous that that's why it was bad.
But anyways, yeah, I can. I can understand those examples.
Wait until I tell you about how the skip functions.
Augmentation is getting a a a damage buff and it's and it's
nobody was bringing Ogg for its own damage, giving it a 15%
damage buff after you've like very much took in the taken the
time to gut its literal spec identity do any.
Of the listeners, I don't. Want to say slap in the face?
Do any of the listeners remember when I said by the end of this
expansion augmentation will just be a straight DPS class?
I'd love to be able to pull that that.
Find that clip and pull that clip.
Because I feel like we're almost there.
We're almost there. I mean, I, I, I go back to our
sit down where we were talking with Jericho and how what
augmentation really needs is competition in the space.
Yeah, we need to stop listening to the 15 very vocal high key
pushers on Twitter who scream about how Ogg has ruined keys
for them and just listen to the actual player base who enjoyed
having a support smack. Like I get it, player poem got X
is upset that we bring hogs. We'll just give us more support
options there, but they won't support is dead.
We're going to, There was a one of the interviews in the last
cycle from a dev said. We don't think you guys want
support cycles, support classes. Which means we're not.
We're they're gone, I'll go be Adps class guaranteed without a
doubt. Bar none, it will slowly have
all of its its augmentation stripped away.
Well, and part of the issue is how we to my understanding
again, this is not saying that I actually do so you guys can tell
me that I'm just being a silly little fool who's pretending
that I know things I don't. But to my understanding, part of
the issue is that we like, it's just in how we track DPS.
And I, if I could wave a magic wand and make World of Warcraft
players less obsessed about numbers and like watching those
numbers, I would in an instant. I think it would make Mythic
Plus happier. I think it would make everyone
happier in general. But like, yeah, the fact that
like tomorrow training Augie doesn't really fit into details
super cleanly. And it also doesn't really fit
into logs super cleanly. So it looks like it's doing
really limited damage, even when like then you look at the like,
you know, other person that's burning.
So don't look at numbers. Everyone delete details.
Everyone delete all of your add-ons.
No more add-ons in this game. We should be Final Fantasy.
Not really. Please don't please God, don't
make us like final. I mean, like it's fine.
There's there's benefits to Final Fantasy, but don't do
that. As Tim, if you're listening,
that was a joke. Lex was joking.
It was a. Funny thing with the with the
cooldown manager coming in 11 point 1.5, we might be heading
in that direction where they lock down more of it and you
might get your wish Lex or not really your wish, whichever side
of you and eventually ended up lying down on anyways.
I I do think that with sorry, I have to go back through all the
things that you said augmentation.
I know in logs you can delineate and see what they provided, but
in the in the add-ons that are live pulling that data, it
doesn't show up. So yeah, you're right, that
information's there in some places and not in others.
And so people can do a snap reaction.
But I think that people now understand that Aug is inflating
your numbers even if they don't know exactly how much the Aug
player is inflating your numbers.
And the biggest issue with augmentation outside of the fact
that it was making tanks and healers more effective more than
any other class, was that the high end augs was all about
lining up the cooldown windows and such to get the most out of
it. Where the plug scenario, you
weren't getting that much and so there was a huge variance
between the everyday play at home people and the like, people
who were absolutely kidding it out.
So it's been the balance issue since day one in so many
different ways that I don't think it necessarily had to be
really. I would argue that that, I mean,
we won't talk about it because everybody likes to think that
they could be on the PGA Tour if they just had enough time
golfing, but that that skill gap exists in every single class.
The best players in the world are playing a different game
than anybody who's not in one of the top three guilds in the
world. If you're not in a top three
Guild in the world or an AWC champion, you're not playing the
same game. They are playing those classes,
all of those classes at a level so much higher than you could
ever fathom that it was. It doesn't matter if it's Ogg or
fire mage or rogue like. They're just, but we don't, we
don't say those things. People say things like, well, if
I could play 16 hours a day, I would be just as good as Trill.
Yeah, I don't know if I like that's.
What I've had. The gear I think that I could be
in limit. That's right.
That's what they sound like.
Like. Yeah.
And I think that you're right, John, But I think that when they
make changes, it was hard for them to bring it in line at the
top end without causing it to drop further on the low end.
I think that was the issue. Like usually you can screw up
your rotation and it drops your your damage commensurate to
that. But it's but with this, you
could screw up your rotation and that would be one thing, but the
person that you're also buffing could screw up the rotation and
that would cause an issue and. The.
Combined mistakes between, yeah, exactly compounding it, right.
And so if it was I guess a buff class where the entire thing
you're doing is just, I'm spinning plates, I got to keep
this buff up 24/7. And that's like what my rotation
is. So that it's a flat line of like
buffs. I'm, I'm not sure that would be
the engaging spec that people would want.
Like I hated total twisting back in BC I quit the game because I
was expected to totem twist and I'm like this is not fun for me,
forget it. I don't want to be thrown in
with the melee group and make sure that my strength of earth
totem is down like that. That was never compelling for me
and I just left the left the game until Wrath switched up
what shamans did. Back in.
BC yes, way back before then, but I'm just saying that was a
time when it was totem twisting and it was seal.
I forget what the hell Palens were doing some seal thing
around and you would have warriors that would jump between
stances and all of that jazz. But you know, if the as a
separate spec, it is there for some people to enjoy.
And that's what Sean was saying. It just, it just becomes an
issue where when you're when your contribution is so
dependent on other players, it becomes very hard to correct for
your contribution and what your what your contribution is being,
I don't want to say exploited leverage to get the final number
right. That's a multiple points of
failure. Yeah, that's true.
Beyond that, yeah, we got a bunch of classes that got some
changes. Again, we talked about the Miss
Weaver thing. I do want to give a special
shout out to Holy Paladins that were really suffering.
They did a flat out buff. They did some very specific
buffs to like further give them some energy, and then they had
to come back the next day and give them even more buffs
because Holy Paladins were really struggling.
I haven't played with the holy paladin or spoken to any holy
paladin since these compound compounded buffs have come in.
Do any of you know how this is landing now with the second wave
having hit? I'm seeing, I'm seeing some
shaking. The holy paladin that I play
with has been playing Holy Paladin for so long, I think
that you would have to pry that class out of his cold dead
hands. So I don't know how he's feeling
about it, but he's still playing Holy Paladin so.
OK, well, you know, the diehards stick with it and it's a better,
better thing. And I'm very happy for those
Holy Paladin enjoyers, those crusaders, if you will, because
you have people like Chrisette, that Sean and I know you have
people like your Holy Paladin friend that ride through the
lows. And now hopefully this is going
to land in a spot where they'll be in a much better position.
Healer's got a lot of adjustments to sort of bring
them more in line. I'm seeing this priest get
adjusted. Oracle's getting a big, big
shift and Holy priest being brought into a brought into line
a bit better. I mean, hoping that we see again
a meta shift because of these these changes.
But Sean, have we really seen a meta sort of like settle in in
the first 3 weeks? Seems really fast but it is
season 2. I haven't really been tracking
it, if I'm being honest. I know Vengeance Demon hunters
are are hot right now, but I haven't been tracking a meta.
Yeah, the race really sucked the life out of me.
That was really, really disappointed.
Yeah, no, but like, you know what, let's hear it from our
listeners. I know last season we were
looking at the various statistics of like we're the
tanks and healers, especially the healers 'cause that was a
big hot topic at the beginning of Season 1 were.
And if you'd like us to check in on that, let us know.
Just join jump into the discord bit dot LY slash fast discord,
and we will look at that depending on the reaction.
Big reaction. Speaking of big reactions,
everybody has been talking about this DDoS attack.
So I John, I know you've been hurting after the race, the
world first, but have you heard about this?
So I know there was some DDoS attacks during the race, but
this was only fangs right? The really loud, obnoxious
content creator Guild that is playing hardcore classic?
That's them, right? Definitely the name and
definitely some pinon wrapped in with that.
And I guess they were rating and there was a deal attack happened
and I assume I can only assume screaming into the mics followed
lots of. Content.
Yeah, OK. And then it was it was a no,
like somebody was specifically targeting them, apparently, and
Blizzard made the decision to roll back their deaths.
Is that right? They yeah, they're resurrecting
a bunch of characters, which they have said is they could do
on the discretion. Did we have to blame pirate
software for this one or was this separate?
I can't. It's so hard to keep track of.
The only fangs drama is where they did they.
Did the D dos happen because he ran away from a pole or did the
D dos happen because the DPS didn't stand in the fire and
help save Tyler? One I I I just have a hard time
remembering which scream fest was the cause of it.
They scream so much Manny. All they do is yell into their
mics. It's.
It's definitely that farming content from this.
Yes, I agree and clearly you have you have some opinions,
some. Opinions.
Some really, I just don't watch. I just mute and block all of
that. I don't ever see it.
I only read. The only reason I know it
existed is because Towelie tweeted about it.
Yeah. Yeah, this is again, this is
this is definitely informative of your opinions of it.
But yes, there was a raid organized to go and just as they
were raiding, there was AD Dos attack, huge hit.
This was on Sunday. It affected not just classic
hardcore servers, but also affected all of Warcraft
servers. I was in a Mythic plus on at the
time when it happened and obviously we didn't time that
key. It took us way too long to get
get back in. I didn't didn't need a res
because it's retail and I don't require that, but it affected
many, many players. Blizzard had said that this was
a one of the biggest, if not the biggest ones.
In fact, Kyvax went to the forums and called it an
unprecedented DDoS attacks that it affected their game services.
And so they made the decision that they were going to
resurrect some of the sorry many if not all of the characters,
right? And they stress that they may
elect in the future, but it is at the sole discretion of
Blizzard to make that resurrection right?
And they will consider it in the event of AD DOS attack.
This is not, hey, my Internet failed, I had a blackout.
This restore my character because it is part of it where
it's like, yes, these things can happen.
They might be outside of your control, but we are not
obligated to resurrect your characters.
And it has to go with the way that you approach hardcore,
right? Like you have to be willing to
let that go. And I know the screams and
reactions of the only Fan Fangs guildies there's.
Also quite a few screams and reactions and only fans.
Sorry, I should have said that. I should have said that.
I'm sorry. There's like then I could watch.
They're maybe he's. Going to throw away this
episode. They're there for the content.
They are there for the content, right?
And that they they lean into it more.
But I think that if you're playing hardcore, like you can't
be attached to that. It's just like, hey, I made it
this long, I made it this far. That's the thing and it goes.
It's why I don't play hardcore because I would hate to go
through that experience again. I just, I'm not a classic
leveller period. I barely like levelling on
retail as it is. What about you guys?
Has hardcore ever appealed to you?
I, I, I fully don't believe I'd make it past like level 10.
I am very stupid, and I jump off many things and I pull very
large groups. Yeah, I mean, that sounds like
devastating and heartbreaking to me, the idea that, you know,
like my game could bug and I could lose the character
forever. But that's why I don't play
hardcore. So no, it does not.
Appeal to me at all, John. I loved vanilla Wow and I
thought it was a great time when I played it, but I also loved
other things like not having a cell phone when I was a kid and
not having bills and, you know, vehicles without heated seats
and they're. I'm not going back to that
though. Like I the quality of life
changes that have been made in the game.
I went back and tried to, I even tried to play Season of
Discovery and I hate it. I hate it.
The leveling is so slow. It's so frustrating and there is
zero chance I would play a game mode like I play RPGs on easy.
There is zero chance I'm playing a game mode where one death
means I have to delete that character and start over.
I there's a a running joke in my EU Guild that even the most
minor of inconveniences is enough to make me quit.
And I, I promise you that would that would qualify, yeah.
You'd play hardcore. Hardcore.
When one of your characters dies, you no longer play World
of Warcraft ever again. Quit the game.
Yeah, I quit Warcraft. I almost cancelled my trip to
LFG because I have to install some cockamamie app on my phone
so that I can pay 1010 lbs to the UK so I can get a a digital
travel pass to say that I can come visit for a week.
And I was like no, no thanks, I'm good.
They're like just to sell the app and send them a picture of
your your ID like or F that. OK, understandable.
Yeah, well, not. That's reasonable, I think.
Understandable. Is a reasonable.
Reaction to needing to uninstall an app.
I've been there so many times. Yeah, like, I, I think it's
funny because sometimes it's the smallest annoyances that sting
the most. Like if if it's a big enough
problem, I'm like, OK, and roll up my sleeves and I'll get to
it. If it is a small nagging thing
that might set me off more than anything else.
Yeah, like it. Which is a weird inverse.
I went to the website, like I went to the website and it was
like, go, go here to learn about which countries need them.
It's spoiler, it's all countries.
If you're not in the UK, you don't live.
If you're AUK citizen, it's all of them.
So I was like, OK, fine. Well let me just sign up for it
here. I have all my information on my
computer anyway I can just upload it And it was like sign
up via the app is faster. Would you like to do that?
I'm like, no, I want to sign up on the website.
So I clicked sign up on the website and the next page is
like you need a cell phone to sign up on the app like why do?
You even give me the option. And I'm an only fangs creator.
I'm an only fangs. This is how only fangs happens.
Only fangs happen. OK, well, so we just.
Created international fraud. We I sent the information to one
of the guys in the UK and they just filled it out for me.
Oh dear God. Well, at one point, because of
all this, there were rumors that only Fangs was going to just
utterly disband because they had just reached that point.
I Who will do the screaming then?
Let's move on to other content and continue screaming on other
content. I know that the developers were
even taking to social media saying like how stressful it was
because of the like size and, and and just impact of this this
DDoS attack. I know that Blizzard is not and
this is part of the discussion that happened in the fast
discord. Blizzard is not going to put out
specifics about like where their guidance is or what will cause
them to take such action again. And part of the reason is just
because you don't want to put that information out there,
which will cause actors to then be like, OK, like I'll go close
to the limit, but not to the limit.
Or in some cases, go to that, go to that limit to cause
themselves to get the resurrection.
Like if such a thing, if somebody wanted to go to that
point, and for those of you who are saying, Oh yeah, nobody
would go to that point, we have people who are attacking people
that they never met over the Internet for no good reason
other than like vindictiveness to make their own kind of
content. Was it Pirate Software's team?
Did they do the DS to get back at only?
Thanks for kicking him out of the Guild.
I don't know. Any of these words?
You know these words, you just don't know what they mean in
this context. That's true.
I do certainly know what they
what they and I. I'm feeling like I frankly is
almost making me want to because I love a good drama.
This is why I watch reality. TVI love.
A little. I love when people are
ridiculous. It makes me very happy.
It makes me feel. Better you need to go back and
look into the the pirate software Roach out start there
follow it straight through and then we'll start the rumor now
that it was pirate software viewers who launched the DDoS
attack against only fangs as a way to get back at them for
kicking him out of the Guild and.
It's so sad that that could happen because of the
demographic of Pirate Software's viewership.
Like they would be the straw. Anyways, that is too far down
the rabbit hole for this I'm. Going to send this tweet and
watch my account blow up. Oh.
My goodness, please. No, it's good and all all
publicity is good. Publicity tag for Azeroth be
like for Azeroth confirmed. But we're still seeing a lot of
a lot of stuff coming for 11 point 1.5, so hopefully that'll
give us better content than this drama.
But unless you guys have anything further to talk about,
I think we'll call it a show there.
No, I got nothing else. I missed you guys last week.
Thanks for a good show. Missed you too buddy, glad
you're here. Yeah, and next week?
Glad that you're feeling better. Listeners, I want you to know my
energy levels might seem a little low this week, but it's
because I'm just coming to terms of the fact that I'm going to
have to quit Warcraft because it's not fun and the game sucks.
I'm sorry babe, but once that's that's a joke, that's a joke.
That's a joke. Oh my goodness.
That's a joke. All right.
One thing before we go actually is for I, I don't know when
manny's going to post this, but if it's before 1:00 tomorrow,
1:00 ESTI think it's 1:00 EST. If it's not, I'm going to tell a
lie on this. If when the Blizzard Boston
tickets go live. Wish me luck and.
Is this still happening in America?
Yeah, allegedly and if any of you hopefully I'll be there,
fingers very crossed and I'd love to meet people and if not,
I'll probably be at PAX that day.
I'm gonna probably get packs that day either way, so hope to
see people. Best of luck with the ticket
gods. There you go, and whatever you
do, just make sure you come up to her and ask her a million
questions about priests. Not would Demon Hunter priest.
Specifically, it's like like in a church like be like, what's
the 5th? I don't Matthew 512 quote it.
The 1st and people that come up to Lex and say FAZ is my
favorite podcast get a full 15 second embrace.
The 2nd 10 people that come up and say that get a slap in the
face and she will not tell you which number you are when you
arrive. I do have some big dreams of
doing like. Somebody ahead of you?
Recording thing, I don't know if that'll actually happen, but
there's a chance I'll be doing a little a little something
something we'll. See, that'll be cool to.
See only Fangs recording. Yeah, exactly.
Like that's what I'm. Looking for I'm just going to go
in there and scream, see how long it takes until they kick me
out. Yes, yeah, changing her name to
Lex One. Until next time guys, may all
your hits be crits.