1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:02,880 Back. Welcome back. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:04,640 OK, I had. A good hold on, I'm going to put 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,320 some nuts in my mouth. We're going to use that as a 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,480 cold opener. Victory for the Forsaken, for 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:16,960 Lauderon for the Karen Tour, for Pandaria. 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:25,000 For calendar to the. Burning region for Gilneus, but 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:32,600 has not done for the Lich King, for the Sindori, for the 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,640 Alliance, for the. Horn. 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:41,040 For Azeroth. Hello and welcome back to 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,520 another episode of For Azeroth. I am your host Manny, AKA the 11 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,360 Truvan Manny. And joining me is not Lex. 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:54,080 She is away this week and will be returning in two weeks time 13 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,560 but the show must go on. So joining me from one of his 14 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:03,920 villas in the east we have Sean. Hello Sean, how are you and how 15 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,560 is the World of Warcraft cheating you this week? 16 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,360 Hi Manny, I'm doing quite well. We actually have had a a banger 17 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,520 week. No banner. 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,880 A banner week. That's the phrase that old 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,840 people say in Warcraft. This week my Guild killed Crown 20 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,800 of the Cosmos Mythic on Sunday. We jumped about 100 world ranks 21 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,280 because we were able to kill it much faster than I guess some of 22 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,240 our other teams around us and we're getting ready to work on 23 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,400 the bird. We're bringing Bella Ren and 24 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,560 hopefully we get that down. I am in for Bella Ren because 25 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,920 not not because Prot Warrior is especially strong on it, though 26 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,400 it is good. The mobility is good, but 27 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,160 because arms and Fury do negative damage, I think they 28 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,400 actually heal the egg during the egg phase. 29 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,880 They do so little damage to the egg face. 30 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,240 So. But I'm in for that fight. 31 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,200 I, I, I will unfortunately miss our Sunday raid, not this week, 32 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,200 but next week because I will be in London for LFG. 33 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,040 But we have our DPS warrior who's going to fill in for 34 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,520 fraught for me for that week, that night. 35 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,479 Yeah. Yeah. 36 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:12,840 So that's, that's how that's been going. 37 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,880 It's been going really well. And I've been sort of enjoying 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,280 my time in Warcraft slowing down a little bit. 39 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:22,960 I have like really pumped the brakes on all of my alts and 40 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:29,640 yeah, yeah. I mean, that's how about you? 41 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:33,680 Well, let's let's say congratulations on the the crown 42 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:34,880 kill. That's great. 43 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,000 I'd love to actually talk a little bit about your prep on 44 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,840 for like Bellerin, Bellerin, but for people who are listening to 45 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,680 this on audio, Sean is streaming. 46 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,480 So we're doing this on his stream and after this stream, 47 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:53,360 sorry, rather after the show completes, we're going to be 48 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,800 doing more of his stream and he's going to be doing the prep 49 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,120 there. So make sure you do check out 50 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,760 the VOD and check out Sean's stream. 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,200 But it's not just one team you're rating with. 52 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,920 You've got a number of teams that you're rating with, 53 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:07,680 including your weekend team. And I think they're doing some 54 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,480 gangbusters as well. How they doing? 55 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:12,640 Yeah, I, I forgot about them. They also did really well. 56 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:16,600 So we have a, a weekend team. It's one night of Prague a week 57 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,840 for two hours. So Saturday night for two hours, 58 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:23,360 that's our Prague. And we just killed Midnight 59 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,520 Falls Saturday previous, so like 5 days ago as of recording. 60 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,000 Four days ago as of recording, we do like some of us get 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,640 together on Friday and do a it would be a pug if we ever had 62 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,080 not enough people show up, but we've had enough people show up 63 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,400 every week. So we do like our farm then and 64 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,800 that's still a 2 hour window. So while the Prague is just 65 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,120 Saturdays for two hours, you could make the argument that 66 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,760 because we clear the raid on farm on Friday that you you 67 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,800 could argue that it it's two nights a week. 68 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,960 But whether or not people showed up, I would still be pugging. 69 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,520 I don't consider the, you know, my, my raid team euphoric is a 70 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,200 two night a week Guild, but I play 5 days, I play seven days a 71 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,480 week. I don't consider as a seven day 72 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,040 a week Guild because I'm doing mythic plus and prep and stuff 73 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,400 outside of those times. Our Prague metric tonight. 74 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,000 So anyway, our, our, our Rd. team. 75 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,120 It was and I'm really proud of that because a lot of the people 76 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:22,640 hadn't rated in a long time and some of them hadn't rated at a 77 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,920 really high level before. We do have some that are like 78 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,840 former mythic Raiders and some that are coming back that are, 79 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,440 are very skilled players. So that helps a lot. 80 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:34,000 But yeah, we we killed Lura. It was one, it took US1 full 81 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,000 night of Prague. So we had 20 minutes on her the 82 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,120 previous Saturday and then 10 minutes of setting up the 83 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,840 Northern sky add on so that we could use the memory game 84 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:50,200 components to that. And then this Saturday it was an 85 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,440 hour and a half. I think we we had 30 minutes 86 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:53,760 left in the raid I think when we killed her. 87 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,680 So hour and a half of Prague it went super honest to honest to 88 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,280 goodness. The hardest part was me not 89 00:05:00,280 --> 00:05:03,680 dying while entering the macros for the mini game and tanking 90 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,120 the boss. I was the biggest problem. 91 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,120 So yeah, it it went really well. It was good. 92 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,720 We had a lot of folks. So we're doing one more heroic 93 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,280 clear this weekend and then we're we took a poll to see if 94 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:17,440 the team wants to try to dabble in mythic. 95 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,880 And if we get, you know, 15 to 18 people that say yes, the 20 96 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,920 man team, then we'll probably, we'll probably do some, some 97 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,800 light mythic stuff. Not it would be we would cap at 98 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,920 like Chimeris and then two or three bosses and void Spire. 99 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,600 We would not get higher than that if we do it. 100 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,320 So yeah, but it's been good. It's been a good time. 101 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,280 OK, lot of fun. So then to answer your question 102 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:45,960 on my end, yeah, we are going through I'm still rating with 103 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,760 two teams going to finish out the the tier and then I'm going 104 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:57,720 to drop back down to one team. So that means like back to more 105 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:03,880 manageable hours for my rating. I I'm sorry, doing 5 hours a 106 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,760 night for two nights at 10 hours of rating is just like, it's a, 107 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,920 it's a little bit much for me. I know after what you've just 108 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,640 said with your like 2 nights on one team and two nights on 109 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,560 another team is just like. Wait, you raid for five hours in 110 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,360 a city? I go from one team directly into 111 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,360 the other team if one team ends fast enough. 112 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,840 I got you. I was thinking it was 5 hours 113 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,040 for each. Like one team was rating five 114 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,440 hours straight. That's what I thought you were. 115 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,880 Saying, yeah. And so I was doing it on the 2 116 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,200 characters because like you had said, you don't want to do the 117 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,240 loot lockout. I was exploring the different 118 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,280 characters and all of that. And no, I was I was having I was 119 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:51,080 just burning out and then rather going to the point where I just 120 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,240 was hating the game. I have just been pulling back. 121 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,600 So warlock is officially an alt, which is sad because I do love 122 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,600 playing that warlock. I switched the shaman over to 123 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,520 elemental in the last couple of weeks as being like re gearing, 124 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,520 learning and everything so I can do damage. 125 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,880 It's inconsistent. There are I am still trying to 126 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,920 learn to pull my my maelstrom to go into the next pool and all 127 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,240 that sort of stuff on mythic plus. 128 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,400 And the reason I remember this is because Windrunner Spire, I 129 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,480 was so focused on some things that like some of the mechanics, 130 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,920 I was just like going right out of my head. 131 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:34,880 So getting rid of the curse on the undead boss or like going 132 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,320 and getting another arrow to get rid of the the dot when you're 133 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,440 doing the final boss. Those were things that I was 134 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,040 like forgetting while trying to do my DPS and the T, the T that 135 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,840 I ran with because I'm plugging through all of these, they they 136 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,560 were not happy with me. They were like, you might not be 137 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,320 ready. For 13th, I was on that team, 138 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,680 no. No, no, this was a different 139 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,760 team. Oh oh I was going to say I we 140 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:59,840 ran everyone winners by together. 141 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,840 I definitely did not say that to you. 5 hours at a time rating is 142 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,480 not When I was rating with Faith for Forged and Euphoric. 143 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,800 My raid days were Thursday, Sunday for both teams and it was 144 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,720 3 hours for you, faith for Forged and three hours for your 145 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,600 fork. But I had a 3 or 4 hour window 146 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,640 in between where I could break. But you could do. 147 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,880 Syncing them up on the same day. I think is smart because you get 148 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,800 all of it done in one day. You basically just block 2 days 149 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,560 off of your calendar instead of blocking off 4. 150 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,480 But you need going from one rate right into another. 151 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,040 That is that. I can't believe you've done it 152 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,080 this long in the tier. Yeah, especially when it's like, 153 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,760 oh, we get it, just one more pool and I and I have to be 154 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,360 like, no guys, I'm the bad guy, I'm out. 155 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,280 Yeah, I don't have a choice. I got to leave. 156 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,679 Like drop from Discord, like like Cinderella man, just turn 157 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,640 into a pumpkin and so don't like that. 158 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,560 How far? How far along are those teams? 159 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:54,320 So one team is on Midnight Falls trying to get the AOTC. 160 00:08:54,320 --> 00:09:00,120 We've got through phase one fairly consistently, 161 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,560 intermission by the end of the night fairly consistently. 162 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:10,160 Phase 2 still, still figuring that out. 163 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:15,760 I would say the other team is working on Bellerin and I think 164 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:22,000 that's because they got crown and then went to Bellerin while 165 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,280 one team did Bellerin and then did crown. 166 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,600 So like I think by the end of this week both teams will be on 167 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:35,960 be Midnight Falls if not AOTC just because Bellman heroic is 168 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,840 not the the monster that it is on mythic. 169 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,440 Yeah, I'm going to ask you some questions now, because this is 170 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,360 what I do when I hear somebody's progging a boss. 171 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,000 What? How are you solving the memory 172 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,280 gain from Midnight Falls? So we have one person who is 173 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:56,200 assigned to call it out. They are not using any kind of 174 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,920 add on, they are just remembering it themselves and. 175 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,240 Just repeating it. And then repeating it. 176 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,400 And they've been pretty consistent. 177 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:11,240 I was like, oh, OK, this doesn't seem that bad now in Phase 3 178 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,000 when we're back out again, right? 179 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,280 Is it only in Mythic where it's in the different layer? 180 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,640 So yeah, I think this this should go through just fine, 181 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,960 assuming that that person and their backup, there's a backup, 182 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,200 don't fall over dead by the time we get there. 183 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,040 OK, we tried that. We did. 184 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:37,440 We gave that 20 minutes and I unilaterally made the decision 185 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,280 to not do that, that we would use the the tool. 186 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,680 I didn't force the tool on anybody, like anybody who didn't 187 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:44,440 want to use it. It wasn't required to. 188 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,920 But I think 19 of our twenty players swapped to it and then 189 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,840 we had 0 memory game fails from that point forward. 190 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,400 Wiping to that mechanic isn't something I'm interested in 191 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,240 doing in progging. So that's why we we went with 192 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,600 it. But if, if they're calling out 193 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,920 is working, that's great. I just think having that visual 194 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:01,960 on the screen for players is good. 195 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,720 And it takes a little bit of the heavy lifting off of one person 196 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,320 being responsible for the whole thing. 197 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,960 Yeah, I, I'm all about cutting down, cutting down poles in P2. 198 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,560 Let's talk about P2. I love P2 as well. 199 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,240 Are you using the method where you put the four markers down, 200 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,240 you assign the groups to them and then just tell them two 201 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,640 steps to the right and then the next beam you're just on the 202 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,200 marker and then just two steps to the left? 203 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,120 Or are you having them move around and try to track them? 204 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:30,760 No, minimize movement on that 'cause then otherwise they might 205 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,440 like run over the crystal and ZAP the crystal and that sort of 206 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,280 thing. So it is markers down make micro 207 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,440 adjustments so that you you line them up. 208 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:46,240 And then the problem with that is that sometimes the person 209 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,280 who's got the beam does the micro adjustment and there's a 210 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:52,200 they adjust like left instead of right. 211 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,840 So there becomes a gap and then they have to start compensating 212 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,560 for that gap. And that's what we're trying to 213 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,640 get people not to do. Yeah. 214 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,600 So if you if you put the markers down at the four cardinal 215 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:07,000 points, when you look at the map itself, there's 4 spikes in the 216 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,160 in the ring in the ground of that map, there's 4 spikes. 217 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:15,880 And if you put the markers down on those spikes, you you never 218 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,000 have to guess. The first beam is 2 steps to the 219 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,960 right of the marker and it will hit every time. 220 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,440 The next beam is directly on the marker and it will hit every 221 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,440 time. And then the last beam is 2 222 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,240 steps to the left. But there's only one or but for 223 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,840 each person at that point. So you should, nobody should 224 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,000 ever be left to. And I say this, I guess if 225 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,160 people want to play this way, they can. 226 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,200 But in my like, it should be a completely controlled dance 227 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,720 where it's always a perfect cross. 228 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,200 So everybody should be moving the the exact same direction 229 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,800 every time. And it's it that if with the 230 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,760 markers in those spots, 2 to the right, like 2 steps, it's 2 231 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,640 steps, but your your beam is still touching. 232 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,480 I could bring up the stream. I'm going to show you you. 233 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,200 Don't you don't need to bring up the screen, but like that's 234 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,680 true. Like what what we're doing is 235 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:05,880 instead of it being a full cross, we're doing like a very 236 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,240 narrow X. So like, you know. 237 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,960 The that's ready check pull recommends that it's it's not it 238 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,920 it is it's a it's a bad the bad way to do it. 239 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,960 The I, I, I don't want to, I don't want to talk about my, my, 240 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,440 my raid leader. But when they make up their mind 241 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,320 about something, good luck trying to convince them about 242 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,000 anything else. There's. 243 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:29,360 A couple of bosses this year were ready check pull I I am a 244 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,200 huge ready check pull fan. I, I, you check their videos. 245 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,920 I am an Excelsior level patron. At the start of each season. 246 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,000 I am usually like a huge advocate, but there have been a 247 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,800 couple of bosses this year where the strategy that they advocate 248 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,960 for is not the easiest or the best. 249 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,640 And they're the one that they advocate for specifically in 250 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,680 that one is not either. It's if you do a perfect, the 251 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:59,760 perfect cross is it's. It completely turns off any room 252 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,720 for error in that mechanic. I disagree. 253 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,440 OK so here's the thing. The perfect cross is good when 254 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,240 you have people who are consistent. 255 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,320 The people the the perfect cross is good when you have people who 256 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:17,760 are consistent as that consistency waivers the chances 257 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:23,960 of you hitting one of the the orbs as people freak out and 258 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,880 make more adjustments than they should right increases because 259 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,080 you can't drop the the crystals further away as you can in their 260 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,960 X. There's also the thing that we 261 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,160 encountered and hi Axe, I see you there don't get don't send 262 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:38,800 that back. There's also the thing where 263 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,600 people would run out of their line prematurely, pick up the 264 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,200 crystal, not realize they have the crystal because they are 265 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,800 focused on other things. And now they run that back in 266 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,240 for the next one and it's like, no, no, drop the crystal, drop 267 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,720 the crystal. And yeah, we've had a wipe where 268 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,520 somebody accidentally ran into the line with the crystal and 269 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,440 killed the solve. That I mean you can't fix that, 270 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,880 but the the perfect X removes inconsistency because the ray 271 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,640 leader just says everybody 2 steps right? 272 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,600 And like you, it's not a question of will players 273 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,160 consistently do the right thing. They're they're literally only 274 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,680 doing what they're told and it like it. 275 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,280 I don't know. It's just it is it is much 276 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,400 easier it it works in pugs, it works in I've killed that boss a 277 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,760 lot and that strategy is by far it's it's it is foolproof. 278 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,120 It it it like it it cannot fail as long as everybody just does 279 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,320 what they're told to do I I I'm a huge advocate for I I would I 280 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:33,880 would suggest re looking ready check poll. 281 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:40,520 Like I said this week did not do do in that in that fight. 282 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,360 I didn't, I don't agree with that that solution that they 283 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,920 came up with. It can work but it's but anytime 284 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,560 you're progging a boss, whether it's heroic, mythic or normal, 285 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,440 whatever your difficulty level is, the 100% best thing is 286 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,400 consistent pulls and things removing chance. 287 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,400 If you can remove chance you are able to replicate it and get 288 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,400 further in the in the fight. So if you remove the the if you 289 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:09,520 remove the chance for people to miss those beams you then P2 290 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,840 becomes automatic. Now your crystal people can get 291 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,200 better used to dropping crystals and getting in in soaks like 292 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,960 you. It's just removing chance, 293 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,240 removing RNG the closer you can get to a scripted fight. 294 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,600 Is is is going to support that? Nick in chat mentioned that. 295 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,160 I mentioned it to them as well face or forge during their 296 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,160 progress. So I I helped them out with a 297 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,760 bit of some of the Strat stuff and they swapped to it and then 298 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,200 never missed another planet. I have to. 299 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:41,480 Say that one of the like hidden joys of rating with two teams is 300 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,920 watching the different teams do different strats for the same 301 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,360 fight and just seeing like the difference in like how it works 302 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,600 out. It's it's pretty. 303 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,120 It's pretty cool. So I I do enjoy that. 304 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,520 We'll see how it goes. I'm pretty sure I'd love to see 305 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:03,080 what my other team goes with if this gets suggested to the the 306 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:08,880 earlier team and if they adopt it, we'll see see how that goes. 307 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,640 I'm not going to say anything. I I'm OK dealing with a little 308 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,520 bit more just to see how it goes. 309 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,720 But yeah, so that's that's basically been my week. 310 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:30,080 I have also bounced off of 12 point O .5 I every single thing 311 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,960 that's offered in 12 point O .5 I have just flipped to the bird 312 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,400 and said I'm not dealing with it right now. 313 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:41,760 I'm going to go work on other things other than of course the 314 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:46,160 void forge with the bonus rolls because why would I do that to 315 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,400 myself? And I was really happy that 316 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,000 after we had finished last episode that they had again made 317 00:17:53,000 --> 00:18:01,280 a number of hot fixes and they had done a post apologizing for 318 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,800 the state of 12 point O .5. Kyvax went to many different 319 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:09,680 things, including the forums to apologize for that and just talk 320 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,760 about how they were going to do better. 321 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,320 But it's just a post. It was words. 322 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,960 I was hoping to follow up with action. 323 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:23,840 Obviously the mass amount of hot fixes is great, but we got an 324 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,160 interview from Taliesin and Avatel where they talked about 325 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,120 that more in depth. And so Sean, give us a little 326 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:33,560 bit of a rundown on like 'cause it covered a lot. 327 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,160 So let's talk about one part part of it first. 328 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,360 Go ahead about the you want. Me to talk specifically about 329 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:42,760 the past rollout and how awful it went. 330 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:49,200 So they they explained 5 XS post explained why and Paul Cubitt 331 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,800 goes a little bit more into it in the interview. 332 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,880 And it was basically that their internal tests, the internal 333 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,680 development servers are not set up the same way that the live 334 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,440 realms are. So the PTR isn't set up the same 335 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,600 way as the live realms are in that information is stored in 336 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,400 different databases. So it's stored on realm servers 337 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,280 in one space and somewhere else in another. 338 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,120 But this was how they identified that the error was able to 339 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:20,680 happen in the duplicates of bonus loot and all went to great 340 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,680 lengths to let us know that, hey, we hear this and we're 341 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,240 going to make sure this doesn't happen again. 342 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:32,840 But I didn't hear any actions. I like, like, I would really 343 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,400 like to know like I, I, I'm glad that you recognize that, you 344 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,960 know now what the error was. I kind of feel like you should 345 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,880 have known that they were pulling from different databases 346 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,880 from your internal development realms and the live realms. 347 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,360 I think that's something that maybe should have been known 348 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:52,080 ahead of time, but I didn't hear any actions and we, we haven't 349 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,720 like, I want to know as a, as a, as a player who is really 350 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,200 invested in this game and loves this game, I would like to know 351 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,600 what you're going to do to ensure this doesn't happen 352 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:04,880 again. Are you just going to implement 353 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,040 another layer of checks where you verify that everything is 354 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,120 pointing to the right spot? Are you going to change the way 355 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:14,000 that you handle the internal databases so that they mirror 356 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,560 the, the, the, the live servers? What? 357 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,320 What are you doing? Don't just tell me you're going 358 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,480 to do better. It's like, I want to know what 359 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,800 you're going to do to improve. And this is, I mean, you can 360 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,400 take this back to to rating as well. 361 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,320 If you have a player, you say you're progging a boss that will 362 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:32,440 will you. We'll talk about Crown of the 363 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:33,520 Cosmos because I'm familiar with it. 364 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,800 We were just progging. They have a player who dies to 365 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,560 they get shot by other people's obelisks consistently a couple 366 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,240 of times in a row because they're in the wrong spot. 367 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,280 I, I, I don't want to come over comms and say to that person, 368 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,680 hey, you keep dying to this and have them say, yeah, I know I'm 369 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,640 going to figure it out. I want to know what you know by 370 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,320 the third death. I need you to tell me what 371 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,360 you're going to do differently to make sure you're not dying to 372 00:20:57,360 --> 00:20:59,560 the same mechanic. Though I'm glad that they have 373 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,920 said, hey, we recognize this isn't up to our standard, which 374 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,600 I 100% think was only done because it hit larger media 375 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,400 outlets. I don't think this comment if if 376 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:13,400 PC Gamer and and IGN are not picking up these news articles 377 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,960 about how bad the patch launched. 378 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,520 I don't think we're getting apology. 379 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,080 Well, I think. That that itself wouldn't have 380 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,480 happened if the community wasn't so loud about it. 381 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,000 That PC game was like, oh, this is worth writing about, Yeah. 382 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,480 Exactly. But I, I like, I, I'm glad they 383 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,920 recognized what caused that specific issue and that they're, 384 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,200 you know, hey, we're going to do better. 385 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,800 How how are you going to do better? 386 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Let tell us because unfortunately at this point, you 387 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,880 know, with the track record we have and you know, they say 388 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,200 death of 1000 cuts and you never know when that first cut was. 389 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,600 Some people would say it was BFA, some would say it was 390 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,000 shadow lands with the covenants. But wherever it is, you know, 391 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,400 we're at a point now where just telling me you're going to do 392 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,000 better isn't enough. You know, I need to know how 393 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,120 like I for this relationship to continue. 394 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:08,760 I need to see or be told exact steps you're going to take. 395 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,000 We don't have that yet, so we're definitely still in the 396 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,200 counselling required phase of our relationship. 397 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,480 Yeah, I I think that one of the things that was said in the fast 398 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,760 Discord bit dot LY slash fast Discord if you want to join in 399 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,400 the conversation, was that your test environment has to mirror 400 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:36,280 your live environment. I, I think that even if you do a 401 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:39,080 checklist of we're going to double check it, we're going to 402 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,880 check it three times, there's still things that are going to 403 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,040 fall through when you do something like that just because 404 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,280 of the, because of the nature of some bugs you've never 405 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,640 encountered before. So you don't know to check them 406 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,440 at all. And just having the, the 407 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:01,160 environment mirrored means that you, those things will like 408 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,520 actually be expressed on your test environment, which is the 409 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,200 easiest way to find it. So instead of having one realm 410 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:13,560 as a test realm, spin up two, right? 411 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,040 Yes, spinning up two is going to be more. 412 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,320 But then at least when they're looking for that stuff, it's 413 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,120 it'll happen rather than one round for testing. 414 00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:28,560 And so nothing at the higher level is ever touched and 415 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,000 anything like that. So I would have loved that. 416 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,200 That would have been a quick little line to like it, help 417 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:40,000 ensure that hey, like any bug of this nature is now, it will be 418 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,360 way easier for us to catch. I'd also would have liked them 419 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:51,680 to say that like we're hiring additional manpower because one 420 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:57,040 of the things that came up this week was former, sorry, he 421 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,760 wasn't president. They they dropped that role. 422 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,840 He was the Co lead, the former Co lead and then they dropped 423 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:09,000 the other Co lead. Mike Yabara said that Blizzard 424 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:15,600 needs to do a restart reset to like right the ship which is 425 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,600 which was met with the appropriate response from the 426 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,320 from most of the player base, which is. 427 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,320 Aren't you the guy who said that QA isn't really a career path? 428 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,720 Aren't you the guy who like SAT at the helm while they while the 429 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,680 team lost 1900 staff, staff members? 430 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:45,240 Aren't you the the guy who like shredded the QA department while 431 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:50,160 your tenure was going? So it really feels plastic. 432 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,560 We're going to say plastic for him to stay like, Oh, yeah, it's 433 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:59,080 got to do better than this when a lot of the the issues were 434 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,920 compounded by what he did, when he was, when he actually had the 435 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,520 power to do anything. Yeah. 436 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:11,120 I would I would suggest everyone do with Mikey Barra what I did 437 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,720 when it became super apparent that he was just a corporate 438 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,600 shill. And that is block him and stop 439 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,920 giving any weight to anything he says because he's a useless 2 440 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,000 faced human being and his words aren't worth the effort it takes 441 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,520 to read them. He contributed nothing to 442 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,800 Blizzard as a company other than to have them be acquired by 443 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,240 Microsoft. He made lives miserable for the 444 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,160 staff that were there. I don't think anybody misses 445 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,520 him. And he was carried to every 446 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,880 single title and achievement he ever got in the game by players 447 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,280 who were much more skilled than he was. 448 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,520 So yeah. Yeah, blocky Barra. 449 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:56,000 I have no desire to to hear anything that that that windbag 450 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,640 has to say. He's he might as well be. 451 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,640 I almost said Atchison. He might as well be as been gold 452 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,880 for me. I spent so little time thinking 453 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,280 of Asman gold now that when I reach for the a name of the 454 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,400 person who sucks, the first one I thought of was was Atchison 455 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,240 who does not suck. Atchison is lovely. 456 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,680 Atchison is lovely. I I was going to start going to 457 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,880 a conversation about nuance about like levels of bad, but 458 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,200 you know what? Toss them all out. 459 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,200 We don't need to sort that out. I don't it's. 460 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,960 I mean honestly, I it's not. I make extensive use of mute and 461 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,320 block on social media. I just don't have the energy. 462 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,240 It's bad enough that I get so much force fed into my feed 463 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,520 despite my massive firewall from the horrible country to the 464 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,000 South of us and their clown show of an administration. 465 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,680 I don't need it in my hobbies. I don't let's. 466 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,360 So yeah, I with the nuclear precision, and by that I mean 467 00:26:55,360 --> 00:27:00,160 all of it, just burn it all that I remove any mention of American 468 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,360 politics from my feeds. I do the same with people like 469 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:09,400 Ibarra because not worth it. Well, I, I have to say that that 470 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,800 would not work for me. I'm not actively on Twitter 471 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,480 anymore. So the way that I came across it 472 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:22,200 was that another game article decided to write about it. 473 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,280 And so I saw it and I was like, what? 474 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:28,880 Check this headline, saw it, decided that OK, I'll go check 475 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,160 to verify that's true, 'cause like, you know, you can't just 476 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,760 go by headlines and articles anymore. 477 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,800 And yet it happened. So there we go that. 478 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,120 But that that Paul Cuban interview with Taliesin ever 479 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:40,960 tell there was a lot of good gems in there. 480 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,280 I'd like to pivot to something positive from that interview. 481 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:47,320 They talked about gearing and how, you know, Taliesin asked 482 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,400 how gearing is so much faster this season than it has been and 483 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,920 how does how does the team feel about it? 484 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,560 Where do they land on it? And Paul Cuban gave some really 485 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,320 good insight where he said that at the top end, gearing isn't 486 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,440 really much faster than what we've seen in the past. 487 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,560 Top end players are gearing at about the same speed that they 488 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,800 always have, and it's not until you look at the lower end where 489 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,920 you see people are gearing a little more quickly, he said. 490 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,680 It's a little more quickly than they expected that it was going 491 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,360 to be, but they're not overall unhappy with where it is. 492 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,480 And Evitel, you know, echoed how that lets her get into more 493 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,640 content sooner that she might not have normally done. 494 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,040 That's the way the gearing works. 495 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,800 And I hope, because I think gearing this season has been 496 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,920 decent. The only complaint I have is 497 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,240 that the the best way to gear should never be gear and alt and 498 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,480 downgrade their crests to then make your mains gearing easier. 499 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,960 That we need to find a fix for that. 500 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,320 But I think gearing has been pretty good this season and has 501 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,760 contributed to why things like mythic plus and the raid have 502 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,720 felt more accessible. So I hope that carries forward 503 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,800 into the next the next patch cycle with very minor touches if 504 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,840 they slow it down at all. Hopefully they don't though. 505 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,240 Paul seems sort of somewhere in the middle of whether or not 506 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,960 they would. How do you like is that, does 507 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:01,960 that resonate with you? Do you think gearing is at a 508 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,240 good spot? Do you think it's too fast? 509 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:10,680 Do you think it's too slow? I think that the curve is a big 510 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,520 thing. So like at the higher end it 511 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,640 didn't speed up that much. And so when you are sitting at 512 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,840 like, what is your main geared at? 513 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,960 282. Right. 514 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,720 So you're like at the higher end and it hasn't speed up that much 515 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,600 for you. Yeah, I'm. 516 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,560 Not at the high like there, there are plenty of people 517 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,360 already at 285, which unlocks the myth crests. 518 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,840 Yeah. But yeah, so I'm like, I would 519 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,520 say I'm average. You would say you're everybody's 520 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,760 going to say their average. So OK, so I'm, I'm below average 521 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,640 is what you're saying. And as somebody below your 522 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,160 words, man. Those aren't mine, those aren't 523 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,520 my words. I'm just. 524 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,520 Saying I'm below you which is average so therefore I'm below 525 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:02,640 average. I'm sitting at 270-8279 ish 526 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,120 right? I know part of that is because I 527 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,480 change specs. So a couple of vault trinkets 528 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,160 like I don't I have a puzzle box that's just gathering dust in my 529 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,720 my bags. I have a crafted weapon that's 530 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,960 just gathering dust. So like that hit my item level 531 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,760 and it took me a bit to like it catch back up. 532 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,960 So I guess I may be a bit behind where I would be, but at any 533 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:32,400 point I'm I'm I'm below average and average at this point is 7 534 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:38,280 out of nine Mythic 3400 IO score item level. 535 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,280 What do you say, 280-3280? Two, I think it's a 282. 536 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,720 That's, that's what we're going to consider average for the 537 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,800 point of this conversation, right. 538 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,680 So I would say that people below that point have received more of 539 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,600 the curve, right? They're on the the faster point 540 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,640 and putting myself in those shoes, I think about like how 541 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:06,800 quickly world content became a joke, how quickly Elevens became 542 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:14,680 whatever. And I, I don't know, I guess 543 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,120 because I got to walk away from it, I don't feel that bad 544 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,120 because I was running with two characters and saying like, Oh 545 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,160 my goodness, this is too much and I need to cut down. 546 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,560 It helped me, but in a world where like that was my 547 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,280 fulfilling gameplay loop and now I feel like I've got to add more 548 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,920 on top just because the stuff that's being offered doesn't 549 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,760 last. I I think that they got to be 550 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,360 careful about that balance. Yes, things are happening really 551 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,040 quickly and after our conversation last week, I did an 552 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,520 entire like look into it breakdown of like what what in 553 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,120 the world's happening, but gearing is part of it. 554 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:04,560 Like we clear through normal and heroic so quickly because we 555 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,280 have access to gear at par, if not better so quickly. 556 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,080 Right when you hit that mythic level, it there aren't as many 557 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,600 things that help you gear as quickly or over gear. 558 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,680 It is in in the case of other things. 559 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,200 And so your progression is roughly where it's supposed to 560 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,480 be with just like, Hey, you caught up to a mid level as 561 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,840 fast. And I think that's kind of what 562 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:35,520 he's talking about. And so I feel like, man, I, I 563 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:42,120 would have loved Lex to be here and to say, and if she in her in 564 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,720 her playthroughs has recognized like, oh man, my power level is, 565 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,080 is much higher than it would normally be at this point. 566 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,760 Or I felt like gear is becoming more easily. 567 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,160 But like, just that initial point, I found that like, we 568 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,400 cleared through the point where gear from lower levels was 569 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,360 relevant at such a incredible rate that I, I feel sad about 570 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,400 that. And I, I'm hoping that that part 571 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,240 of the bell curve might be adjusted. 572 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,240 But I also know that people are going to scream bloody murder, 573 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,600 but it's like you're going to slow down my gear and not yours. 574 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,280 Yeah, I, I think I like, I, I think it's good for the game 575 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,840 that we gear up faster and those bosses that can be beaten by 576 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,920 just having more gear can get get rolled over faster. 577 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,480 And I think it's good because when we get to bosses like Crown 578 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,880 of the Cosmos or Midnight Falls, you're not going to oak gear 579 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,680 that. So now it does really come down 580 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,400 to can you beat the boss fight? Can you beat the mechanics? 581 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,040 Where is your skill level? It's not just, OK, well, you 582 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,160 know, it's week 8 and now I'm 30 levels item levels higher than I 583 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,360 need to be. Like you're already at that item 584 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,920 level now. Like if you look, when Liquid 585 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,760 killed those bosses, what item level they were at and where we 586 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,320 are now, it's like we're very close. 587 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,320 So now you're at a point where it's like, OK, I just have to 588 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,960 play better now as opposed to waiting for the gear to get 589 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,720 better. But I think I think it, I think 590 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,280 bosses to me rating to me feels better when you know, you're not 591 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,400 killing the boss because of skill, because of performance. 592 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,080 I would rather fail a boss because I mess a mechanic up 593 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,000 then fail a boss because I'm just too low item level. 594 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,719 I don't ever want you know you're. 595 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,000 Killing a boss because of skill, because of performance. 596 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,679 So you, you kind of switch that around. 597 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,480 Yeah, yeah. But I also feel better about a 598 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,600 wipe if I know I wiped because I made a mistake and not I wiped 599 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,920 because, you know, in two weeks I'm going to have 10 more item 600 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,520 level. So by all of us sort of like 601 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,159 that ramp to item level, that ramp to gearing being really 602 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,080 fast in the beginning. It it it almost from the 603 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,280 beginning puts us on that point of if you're dying, it's because 604 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,120 you played poorly, not because you're under geared for this. 605 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,320 And I like that. I think that is a strength for 606 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,880 the game. I think you're talking about 607 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,320 that again though. Because when you're talking 608 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,120 about the end bosses and hey, you've gotten to the right gear 609 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,840 for that and you're not over gearing it now it's based on 610 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,400 performance. But the by the same token the 611 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,920 earlier bosses which should be balanced for you having less 612 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,800 gear and being more entry, you're now over gearing those 613 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,800 way faster and instead of beating those bosses based on 614 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,080 your performance it's because you out geared them and you just 615 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,920 flatten it like you kill bellerin IN22 phases because you 616 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,040 just gear out gear it Bellerin's. 617 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,400 A penultimate boss, but I would have to go back to like shadow 618 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,040 lands before I could remember a early boss that was difficult 619 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,280 and required like the, the, the, the, the, you know, other than 620 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,360 the random wall bosses, we've had every tier. 621 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:48,440 The the rule of thumb is early bosses are going to fall over. 622 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,960 They're easy. So it, I don't think like 623 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,240 there's no mechanical complexity or very little mechanical 624 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:57,000 complexity in a lot of those. Like if you look at Voracius, 625 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,880 there's no mechanical complexity in that fight. 626 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,840 If you look at Saladar, other than coordinating kicks and 627 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,680 kiting the orbs, there's no mechanical complexity though. 628 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,560 There's nothing in those fights that would make you, those are 629 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,520 gear based fights. You're going to kill Voracius 630 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:12,080 because your item level is correct for the damage check. 631 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,320 You're going to kill Saladar because your item level is 632 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,800 correct for the damage check. So for those fights, I think it 633 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,400 makes sense that you gear up faster because you want you 634 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,080 don't want people to be limited by that gear. 635 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,880 So you gear up faster to get over that hump. 636 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,680 But then as you get to like blinded vanguard, that becomes 637 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,880 more of a a mechanical fight. That's a dance. 638 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,920 You know, it's coordination. So the gearing gearing levels 639 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,760 off at that point. I, I think they nailed I really 640 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,120 do. I think this tier they nailed 641 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,160 that. I. 642 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,280 Think dream roof is a good one for gear levels versus like 643 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,080 damage, because like that one, you only get a certain amount of 644 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,720 phases and then it that enrage is pretty like pretty much a 645 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:57,200 wall. I think that if people were able 646 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:02,320 to gear that so quickly that they're killing that on week 2IN 647 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,600 heroic and and normal when they're not normally it normally 648 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:12,280 doing full clears on for AOTC at that space. 649 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,560 That's part of like the gear just pushing it so fast that 650 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,960 like I think by the second week we were killing it before he got 651 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,440 to do his first strafing run. Not second week, that's probably 652 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,880 third week. No, we're at week 4 now. 653 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,680 What are we? We're at week 4 now. 654 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,600 So yeah, may have been second week. 655 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,440 There's I'm gonna UN UN heroic. No, no, normal. 656 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,520 Just like before. You got to fly up just like 657 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,680 you're gone. And now I think. 658 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,760 Well, your team could. Probably do the same thing on 659 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,640 Earth and Earth Mother. And Captain Garrick, you could 660 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,760 do it on normal. It's normal, normal, normal 661 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,080 rating is not there is no normal rating is for people that are 662 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,360 like, I don't really have anything else to do today. 663 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,680 I might as well normal raid like it's Wow. 664 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,720 Wow, the disdain, the casual disdain. 665 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,680 But I think that I I. Legitimately think LFR is harder 666 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,840 than normal. I I agree LFR, but that's. 667 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,240 Because of like the coordination gap that's in LFR, but I think 668 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:17,840 that that people who do friend, friends and family raids, which 669 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,480 is where I put normal, right? Just like, hey, we're not, we're 670 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,040 not like Uber competitive. We're here for a fun time sort 671 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,800 of thing. But like they could have a 672 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,520 number of people who also love playing with their friends and 673 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,040 family. So are doing normal but also do 674 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:38,600 mythic plus and other things that could that will gear to the 675 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,720 point where they will kill it before it goes into they see 676 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:48,560 most of the fight. Yeah, I don't. 677 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,600 I'm sorry, I just don't. I don't even know why normal 678 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,600 rating exists. I don't know what purposes other 679 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,200 than to give us champ track versions of the best trinkets. 680 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,600 I don't know what purpose normal raid serves. 681 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:03,120 You can oak your you can oak your it with delves What like 682 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,280 what is the other than the the best of slot trinkets? 683 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,280 Why do we have normal raid? What is the what is the what 684 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,040 purpose does it serve in the Warcraft antheon, I mean. 685 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,920 Why do we have like heroic dungeons or mythic dungeons? 686 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,440 There seems to be like an entire gap with that where it's like, 687 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,240 but that's, that's because we don't cap out at that level. 688 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,640 There are people who cap out at that level that that is their 689 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,880 target, and for them it exists. And for the people who don't 690 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,440 play at that level, whether they're playing below it or 691 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:42,720 playing above it, they like, they don't know 'cause it's 692 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,800 like, why would I do that if I can do something easier? 693 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,800 Why would I do that if I can do something harder and it doesn't 694 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,240 give me the rewards? So like, yes, you and I are 695 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:54,160 going to be blind to it, but that doesn't mean that there's 696 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,760 no reason for it except for a big zero. 697 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,840 What the hell guys? What did you do? 698 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:02,720 I don't know, man. There's. 699 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:04,400 Didn't you just tell me there's people for everything. 700 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,640 There's people who, I don't know people. 701 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,240 It's their cat. Yeah. 702 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,720 It's easy to get blinded to the fact when you play, all of your 703 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:15,600 time is spent playing with people at a certain level and 704 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:16,920 you're only surrounded by these people. 705 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,320 That's obviously how like we get into these situations where I 706 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:25,840 think normal serves no purpose. Yeah, I, if you are somebody 707 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,720 who's on a normal raid team and you're working your way through 708 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,560 and you're struggling and you're like, hey, listen, asshole, this 709 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,520 is hard for some of us. Join the Raid Leader Exchange 710 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,680 discord and they're going to give you strats. 711 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,080 They're going to make all of those fights much, much easier 712 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,280 for your team. And then just tell your team to 713 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,640 do what you tell them. Tell them you want to be the 714 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,360 raid leader and just give them direction so that they can 715 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,040 follow it and clear those bosses easily. 716 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,240 It's just so easy to gear it. I don't understand. 717 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:53,800 I don't and there's no mechanics. 718 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,320 I don't what I don't I don't even think there. 719 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,360 I don't I struggle to I I don't know what purpose normal. 720 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,880 I really don't. I really don't. 721 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,920 You know what we're going to do? We're going to turn this into 722 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,040 something actually useful in a future episode. 723 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,760 We're going to talk to people about raid leading and 724 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,280 strategies and such so that you can like switch off of that, 725 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,200 that ready pull Strat that you can get the more consistent 726 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,200 people to follow your directions more consistently. 727 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,920 And I think that would be the way of doing this rather than be 728 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,440 like, why you all that difficulty? 729 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,040 I don't even get it. That just doesn't seem helpful. 730 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:32,320 I want to talk. To somebody. 731 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,520 I I honestly, I legitimately want to talk to somebody who's 732 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,960 in a raid team that doesn't go above normal. 733 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,600 Normal is their cap. They I and I'd like I want to I 734 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,400 I if you are out there, if you're listening to this and you 735 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,160 exist and and normal raid is your cap, please come to the 736 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,800 discord bit that I'll watch slash 5's discord. 737 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,360 Tell me I I genuinely want to talk to you and I want to know 738 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,840 why. I want to know what benefit 739 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,480 there is there. Like how do you enjoy it? 740 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,680 How do you prog it? Why? 741 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,320 What are the hang ups? What makes it difficult to prog? 742 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,320 Because I don't know. I I honestly don't know. 743 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,400 And I, if there is somebody listening who is in that 744 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,200 situation, please come, come, let me know because I obviously 745 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,720 need to have my eyes opened. Yeah. 746 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,160 I I'd appreciate somebody educating Sean. 747 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,120 That would be greatly appreciated. 748 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:26,280 But that wasn't the only thing that was the topic. 749 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,760 In fact, we just went down a rabbit hole about normal 750 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,520 difficulty. The gearing itself effects more 751 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,000 than just raid. It affects the progress through 752 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,520 Mythic Plus, which we've seen a tremendous rush through. 753 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:40,400 It affects the progress through delves. 754 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,400 It affects, to a point, PvP. But I feel like that is if 755 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,240 everybody's gearing at an accelerated rate, they kind of 756 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:52,920 bounce themselves out. But it also effects how quickly 757 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,480 people can switch to like alts or switch specs, in my case, and 758 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,920 have those viable for the content that they're running. 759 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,720 So does that mean that like more people find it easier to go 760 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,120 towards that cookie cutter? Oh, we're missing a hunter. 761 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,920 All right, Sean, jump on it. Go go gear up your hunter and 762 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,200 have it ready for raid next week is a lot more viable in when the 763 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:22,640 curve at the lower end is so quickly skip through than it has 764 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,240 been in the past has. Do you find that like that is 765 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,720 good or do you find that like if that it might cause them to be 766 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:36,560 like, yeah, we have 0 issue with you requiring death grip to make 767 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,440 this fight easier because it's that much easier for you to go 768 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,680 get a death knight. I wish I could. 769 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:48,440 I want what Final Fantasy Fan Fest just announced that a thing 770 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,320 where your mains gear, whatever your main job is, jobs are like 771 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,120 glasses in Final Fantasy. Whatever your main job is, 772 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,560 whatever gear that character has, when you switch jobs, your 773 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,920 gear switches to match at the same item level. 774 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,440 I want that for alts. If I'd never had the gear and 775 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,480 alt again in my life, I would be happy. 776 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:13,200 I would be very happy if I only had to grind gear and do the 777 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,360 Crest grind and do all the farm on one character and, and, and. 778 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:20,360 That being said, gearing alts is faster now and better now than 779 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,440 it's ever been. We are in a very good spot for 780 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,520 alts right now and I I enjoy it greatly. 781 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,920 I'm very appreciative of where we are for alt gearing. 782 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,280 But if I could just log into a brewmaster and hit a button and 783 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,560 get a set of gear that matches what my warrior has that would 784 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,680 be ideal for me. I like, I would be happy just 785 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,840 playing on tournament realm style servers that the 786 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,800 acquisition of gear is not my chase. 787 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,320 That's not what I do. I I recognize that it is for a 788 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,640 lot of people that power build is what they play for. 789 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,640 That's not it for it's boss kills for me. 790 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,920 Are we clearing dungeons? Are we clearing raids? 791 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,800 Are we clearing them faster? Are we clearing them more 792 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,840 efficiently? That's my dopamine hit is, is 793 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,560 our pull count lower? That's what I want. 794 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,200 I don't care about parses. I don't care about gearing. 795 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,240 I don't care about mounts. I don't care about pets. 796 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,720 I care a little bit about transmog. 797 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,280 Yeah, but that is for me, it's how efficient and how fast can 798 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,200 we clear this content. And I recognize that that is not 799 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,280 normal, but I don't, you know, I'm speaking what I want. 800 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,960 You know, I don't, I would never pretend to imagine what the 801 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,560 community wants. I have no idea what the 802 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,000 community wants. And so I'm OK with that. 803 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,040 I think it's we, I mean, we literally had that happen. 804 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,720 We had our Ferrell Druid. Ferrell's in a kind of a rough 805 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:30,760 state this tier. He had a hunter alt that he 806 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,440 could play at a good level. He we swapped to it, geared it 807 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,560 up to 278 and we used it on our kill pool for paladins because 808 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,320 three marksmanship hunters on that fight was very, very good. 809 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,840 Not, not necessary. You could kill it without, but 810 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,760 it made it so much easier that it doesn't make if you have 811 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,000 access to it, why not do the thing that makes it easier? 812 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:52,480 I don't understand intentionally making your life harder. 813 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,840 That doesn't make any sense to me. 814 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,800 I think the world does a good enough job of trying to make my 815 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:56,880 life hard. I don't need to help them. 816 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,480 But yeah, so I'm OK with it. I I think it's good. 817 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,480 Again, I think that some people take longer to adapt to new 818 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,840 classes and rotations. So that's part of it, right? 819 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,760 Some people with that thing might feel pressure to switch 820 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,320 off of like they're like underperforming spec to go like 821 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,120 I switched off of enhancement to go to elemental specifically 822 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,000 because I wanted to like try my best to like see if I could get 823 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,520 into that 1% for mythic plus this season. 824 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,520 And that could very well be a pipe dream. 825 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,480 But in order to give myself the best chance, I switch to a 826 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,360 better performing performing spec. 827 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:40,200 If that was much harder to do, would I have stayed enhancement? 828 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,200 Probably. If the gear was much harder to 829 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,760 like to like get, which would have set me back even further 830 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,680 there that would have that resistance would have altered my 831 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,960 choice. There's also the fact that like, 832 00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:05,520 quite frankly, you can have teams where they they will like 833 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,400 bench people based on like what on like, hey, their performance 834 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:16,920 isn't working and that kind of kind of puts on pressure. 835 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,880 Like we've heard, let's talk about it where they'll get to a 836 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,640 point where they're hitting a wall and they'll be like, OK, 837 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,120 we're going to start talking about sitting some people till 838 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,800 we can get it down. And then we're going to bring 839 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,440 them along with those people being SAT. 840 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,040 Start thinking, oh, what if I switch spec? 841 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:39,920 What if I get my alt alt up? There's so like that's the 842 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,040 pressure that I think people could have when you make these, 843 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,800 these switches easier. And there are people because 844 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,920 this is not like fun and fancy where it's the same character 845 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,200 and you're just switching roles or switching jobs. 846 00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:56,920 This is like a character that I've played since like back in 847 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,680 vanilla and everything that now I have to drop because it's not 848 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,280 doing well. This is this season. 849 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:07,840 And that that can become sort of a, a resistance and a pressure 850 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,160 to people who are switching. I'm like players like you and I 851 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,720 where it's like Nah Nah, I'm playing. 852 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:16,880 And like I don't care if I'm on my paladin or my druid or 853 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,000 whatever, like it's just me defeating the fight that much 854 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,400 more efficiently. In which case, who cares which 855 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,880 character you do it on? But I I want to pontificate for 856 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,600 a second though go for it just because I have heard like to 857 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,400 mention that and if I was on a normal or heroic grade team who 858 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,280 sat players to kill bosses I would leave that team in a 859 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,200 heartbeat. I, I fully believe that unless 860 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,280 you're in a situation where you're roster capped, so you 861 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,320 have 30 plus players in the team and you have to fit the comp to 862 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:53,880 work, I don't think there's any reason to sit a player in those 863 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,760 team if they're, if they're, if whatever the minimum 864 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,920 requirements are laid out by the team, if they're hitting those 865 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,440 minimum requirements, I don't see any reason to sit that 866 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,360 you're killing these bosses as a team. 867 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,400 You're together as a team, you win and you lose as a team. 868 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,880 Telling somebody I'm going to sit you so we can kill this 869 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,120 because it'll be easier without you. 870 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,320 To me, that's telling that player you don't matter as much 871 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,640 to this team. And that that was, I mean, when 872 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:22,000 I joined Fates, that was the the number one thing that we like 873 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,560 sort of talked about at the very beginning that joined the midway 874 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,120 through Prague in a fight and they were discussing this exact 875 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,600 thing on that boss. And I was very, very adamant 876 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,360 that First off, the reasons you want to sit these people are 877 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,200 wrong. The people you should be looking 878 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,520 at are different people, some of them in this room. 879 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,920 And if that's the position we want to be, if that's the 880 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,120 position we want to be in, then like it's, it's just you don't 881 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,840 need to do. And they, they were, they are, 882 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,360 you know, the officers all, all saw the reason of that and they 883 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:54,880 didn't sit anybody. And they killed the boss the 884 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,240 very next week. I I don't you're a team, you 885 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:01,880 know, especially if you're asking your team to not pug 886 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,720 things ahead of the team, like you want to kill it as a team 887 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,680 when it like we want to kill this as a team. 888 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,840 We want to succeed as a team, but not you. 889 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,520 That to me, I like I'm not I would leave. 890 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,960 I would G quit that day and find a new team. 891 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,000 Yeah, at that. Like yeah, it's and this is so. 892 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,720 And obviously when we talk about mythic, it's different. 893 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,720 You have you're locked in a 20 year Raiders. 894 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,560 Performance matters, comp matters, You know, who's going 895 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,560 to be in for these later Prague bosses? 896 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,240 All of that stuff matters. That's all factors. 897 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:34,280 But if we're talking specifically heroic and normal, 898 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,080 whether you had, you can take up to 30 people. 899 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,240 I don't think there's any excuse for sitting people for 900 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:42,560 performance as long as they're like, as long as they're hitting 901 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,680 like you, obviously, hopefully you're a great team who has 902 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,000 like, here's the requirement. You have to do X number of 903 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,520 vaults lots per week. You know, you have to be X item 904 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,160 level. And if the person is doing that, 905 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,760 they're doing all you've asked them to do to be on this team, 906 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,480 then sitting them for performance when you don't have 907 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,480 to, just to make it easier for yourself. 908 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,760 And then looking down on people who want to swap to alts to make 909 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,720 a fight easier. No, Lexa. 910 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:10,840 Lexa doesn't look down at anybody. 911 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,480 That's Lex doesn't. Look down on anybody. 912 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,920 But I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to move it away from Lex's team 913 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,520 because yeah, no, I'm just. I well, that's why I shifted to 914 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,560 Fates. No, Yeah. 915 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:26,000 But like, I have been on teams, I'm actually currently on a team 916 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,240 that is performing well. I'm not going to say to anybody, 917 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:33,160 but they don't keep that minimum standard going. 918 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,360 They don't check on it. They don't encourage people, 919 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,960 encourage people. And that to me, that's shitty. 920 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,600 Leadership, then the leader. That's on the leaders of the 921 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,200 team. That to me is a failure of 922 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,600 leadership. Like, rather than calling them 923 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:53,320 shitty leaders, let's, let's criticize the, that they are not 924 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,320 fulfilling their role, right? Because that then leads to a 925 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,280 point where you have people who weren't doing what you asked for 926 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,760 and now you're hitting this wall because they weren't doing what 927 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,920 you, you asked for. And then you're, you're going to 928 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,000 sit them. And sometimes people recognize 929 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,720 that soon enough and they're like, hey, listen, we're now at 930 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,320 XY or Z. We're now hitting this wall. 931 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,560 And I haven't been enforcing this, but the reason that we're 932 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,920 going to sit you is because you haven't been doing this and you 933 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,160 can't correct this in a week. So congratulations, you're going 934 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,680 to be sad is a bit better. And I've been like that, but 935 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,640 like the failure is that you weren't correcting it along the 936 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,680 way. So now they're stuck in this bad 937 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,720 situation. So I don't I don't want to say 938 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:41,640 that like sitting people is a reason for you to quit the 939 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,000 Guild. Right. 940 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,440 Yes, there is a failure in leadership in like it not making 941 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,480 sure that people were following it, but it can fall back to that 942 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,960 person who's being sat where it's like you weren't doing it. 943 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,400 And because they let you get away with it now you're going to 944 00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,000 blame the the raid lead. You kind of both failed. 945 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,400 Your failed each other there, right? 946 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,120 Yeah. If they're not hitting their, 947 00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,760 like, if somebody's not doing the minimum requirements set up 948 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,440 by the Guild, 100%, that needs to be a discussion that needs to 949 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,280 be addressed and earlier rather than later. 950 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,240 And if a person gets sat because of that reason, I, I fully 951 00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:16,840 understand that and support that. 952 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,480 But sitting somebody for somebody, somebody who is 953 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,960 hitting the requirements you've asked and then sitting them for 954 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,800 performance or because you know, the, the boss would be easier 955 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,240 with this person in. If you set your minimum item 956 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:31,480 level at 260 and then you're out of boss and you're like, well, 957 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,720 if we were all 276, this would all be a lot easier. 958 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:36,560 But if you're not 276 this week, then you should have said it at 959 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,600 276. At 90 to 95% of all Guild 960 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,560 problems are derived from leadership or direction. 961 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:51,080 Poor execution, poor management, or what's the word that you like 962 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,880 to use? Not accountability. 963 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,080 Poor accountability, though, is up there. 964 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,760 It's expectations, poor setting of expectations that Rolly at 965 00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:58,880 me. Rolly knew what I meant. 966 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,680 It's all about leadership. I 14 years in the Navy and a 967 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,400 year of that, literally revamping and teaching 968 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,720 leadership to the next generation of people and being 969 00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:12,440 brought in to help to change the way that that worked. 970 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,520 It's, it is the biggest unforgivable thing for me and 971 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,000 it's why I am such a huge advocate for people that are in 972 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,720 bad guilds who leave because there are so many good guilds 973 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,280 out there that you just don't know about yet. 974 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,680 Go and find one where the leadership is good. 975 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,200 Don't stay. I promise you the days of 976 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,120 getting screamed at for more dots that doesn't exist anymore. 977 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,200 When you see clips of people calling their players dog shit 978 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,560 because they're missing arrows in a fight where even the best 979 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,080 players in the world are missing arrows that don't, don't settle 980 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,080 for that. You don't have to. 981 00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,400 You can find a spot that's better. 982 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,920 And if you can't find a spot, make a spot that's better. 983 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,640 There's enough players out there that you can you can bring them 984 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,360 in. And Paul Cuba didn't talk about 985 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,960 any of this in that. This was a great this was, but 986 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,440 it was such a great aside. I I do, I do want to say that 987 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:06,120 like from my project management background that if you do not 988 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,720 outline your expectations, that is just premeditated 989 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:12,400 disappointment. You are setting yourselves up 990 00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:15,600 for that disappointment. But yeah, let's go back to the 991 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,680 interview here. Yeah, what? 992 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,400 Else have you been talking about? 993 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,240 The last thing I want to well two things. 994 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,440 The last thing I want to mention is the second last thing I want 995 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,440 to mention is they talked about tank tuning and how brewmaster 996 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,600 is so far ahead and the other tanks are so far behind if you 997 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,880 look at like mythic plus keys. Now that that being said, if you 998 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,240 are any of any of the tank classes right now are capable of 999 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:40,920 doing plus 20s might be harder though it's if it's easier on 1000 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,040 one, that's why you see that shift, but they're all capable 1001 00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,640 of doing it. You need help, just go. 1002 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:46,280 You need proof. Just go and look at the leader 1003 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,800 boards. They're all due in 20s and 21. 1004 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,600 But he talked about how they don't want to adjust brewmaster 1005 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,400 down too far that they would rather use a light touch to 1006 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,640 bring them down a little and then raise the other tanks up to 1007 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,640 match. Which means I'm getting buffed. 1008 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:10,280 So let's go, let's go. I mean, where was that when 1009 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,040 druids were having their Guardian day? 1010 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,040 Where was that light touch? Yeah, exactly. 1011 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,000 But that it's good to know that they're watching, they're 1012 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,040 keeping an eye on that stuff. It was a good interview overall. 1013 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,240 All goes into detail and stuff. There's a lot of nuance are 1014 00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:25,680 missing here. You know, this is the aggregate 1015 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,480 version of what happened to that interview. 1016 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:28,360 Oh yeah. And. 1017 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,600 We can only give the aggregate go watch, yeah. 1018 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,160 Go watch it, it's good. Talia Sammons will do great 1019 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,800 interviews. And then the last thing I've 1020 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,800 been pretty happy saying 12.1 is going to be a Talu tech in the 1021 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,800 island off of Zulaman. Taliesin asked Paul and he said 1022 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,200 I realize you can't do spoilers, but heading into 12.1 if I 1023 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,520 wanted to set my Hearthstone in Zulaman would that be a good 1024 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,040 idea? Paul Kubit responded with do you 1025 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,560 really like the view off the coast? 1026 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,360 Is that why you're asking and said yes? 1027 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,400 And Paul Cuban said, well, if you really enjoy the view off 1028 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,800 the coast, then yeah, I would say Suleiman is a good spot to 1029 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,600 set your host over 12.1. So we're getting a troll raid, 1030 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:10,400 Manny, let's talking. Go, go, Paul. 1031 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,840 Cubit in like absolutely reframing that question because 1032 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:20,680 that was not a confirmation, but very sly, very sly, definitely 1033 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,000 paid attention in his PR courses. 1034 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:24,840 Yeah, it. Was good stuff. 1035 00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:32,240 I had a couple of facts to talk about this entire thing 'cause 1036 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:37,760 like it's not only fast, it's because of the false start that 1037 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,640 it also feels faster 'cause it wasn't like we had full rating 1038 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,880 right away. So like next next tier when it 1039 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,400 goes when there is no heroic week, right, Those teams that 1040 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,960 like we're doing pushing through heroic an extra week before the 1041 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,120 raid really came out. And then we had the launch of 1042 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:05,120 March or call Donna, Sorry, that false start is going to be all 1043 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,840 compressed into one week. And so it'll feel like we we had 1044 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,160 more time where we were just gearing. 1045 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,000 So that'll help slow it down for for Raiders as well, right. 1046 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,640 But with this eight week cycle, that eight week cycle started 1047 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,960 from the launch of the expansion, we had levelling 1048 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,960 including early access. We then had the heroic week, we 1049 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,640 then had the week before the March. 1050 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:34,680 So that ate up three weeks right there from the time of March 1051 00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:43,800 releasing to 12 point O 5 was 4 weeks and 12 point O five had 1052 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:50,080 more content than 11 point O 5 and 11.15 combined. 1053 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:56,040 Well, it it had more named pieces, I don't know that you 1054 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,480 could say it had more content. There's exactly 1 ritual site 1055 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,760 and exactly 2. Sorry. 1056 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,680 Yeah, two ritual sites, 2 void assaults and decor duels. 1057 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,400 I guess Abyssal anglers. Yeah, and abyssal anglers. 1058 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,480 So what? 11 point O .5 had the 20th 1059 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,840 anniversary celebration. Yeah. 1060 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,800 So that came with a new RAID. Which came which came with the 1061 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,400 the revamped anniversary rate, right? 1062 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:31,880 Came with the the mount. Mini game you had to like mount 1063 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,920 your things. You had to get on your mounts to 1064 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,360 show your mounts off. Right. 1065 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,080 Yeah, the the amount off the, the, the fair attractions that 1066 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,680 were in there, Yeah. And then the secret solution 1067 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,000 puzzle thing where you had to go around and find stuff that you 1068 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,800 got the the because the girl, remember the girl's name kept 1069 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,200 getting longer as you did it. Right. 1070 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:54,600 Yeah, what it was called. So that. 1071 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,840 The detective one, yeah, and. It also has a ball island. 1072 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,200 Of was that. Siren Island as well and point O 1073 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,840 10 point O .5 was anniversary. It wasn't 11 point O .5 that was 1074 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,080 the anniversary. It was 10 point O .5 right two 1075 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,560 years ago. Double check. 1076 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,840 I guarantee you it was. It was definitely two years ago. 1077 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,640 11 point. O it was twenty O 4. 1078 01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,200 Oops, I went too far Atchison. Says 11 point O .5 as well. 1079 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:30,240 O .5 is 11. Point O .5 two years ago. 1080 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,120 Yeah, 2024. We're at 2026 right now, 11 1081 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,960 point. Siren Isles was from 1082 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,560 Dragonflight. Siren Isles is not war within, 1083 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:40,480 no no. No no no. 1084 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:45,560 Siren Isles is war within. That is the like where they did 1085 01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:53,720 the experimental note. Yeah, but like crazy by losing. 1086 01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:59,120 It tyrant, I will. No, but like, OK, so I I'm just 1087 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:06,240 I'm going to go to this. So 11 point O .5 we had the 20th 1088 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:11,320 anniversary, a celebration, the classic dungeons added to time 1089 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:19,640 walking yeah additional drag theory classes, new ascendance 1090 01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:27,040 form for shamans, Dragonflight PvP ensembles and changes to 1091 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:31,040 trans mod collecting. That was 11 point O .5. 1092 01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:37,880 OK, OK. I believe Siren Isles was 11 1093 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,720 point O .7 and that's what you're conflating. 1094 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,640 Dude I thought Siren Isles was from Dragonflight. 1095 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,560 I no, no, I think the. I. 1096 01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:50,000 Think the issue is my brain thinks that 11 point O was just 1097 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,840 last year. Yeah. 1098 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,000 No, it was not, was it not? Years back. 1099 01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,440 Yeah, 2 year expansion cycles and no, it's. 18 months, it's 1100 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,600 not 2 years, it's 18 months, OK year. 1101 01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,800 And a half then sure. Oh man, I'm losing it. 1102 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,760 All right. I am on a Warcraft podcast. 1103 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,240 But more importantly, you tune in and listen. 1104 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,760 So yeah, Oh my goodness. All right. 1105 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,600 Sorry, Manny, sorry. That's. 1106 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,200 OK, I was so. Confident, Anjali says. 1107 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,040 I do that, she says. I speak with the confidence of a 1108 01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:27,960 mediocre white man on the Internet, and it makes her 1109 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:32,280 question herself. And you speak with. 1110 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,680 Confidence Luckily I had actually looked this up and I 1111 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,440 wasn't just pulling it from my mind because I could misremember 1112 01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,200 and I am willing to admit that I. 1113 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:44,000 Yeah. OK. 1114 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,000 So yeah. But the 12 point O features are 1115 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,640 the void forge which is if you want to start subdividing it, 1116 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:58,440 which is the bonus rolls as well as the upcoming turbo boost at 1117 01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:04,200 item levels right? The decor duels, the ritual 1118 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:10,440 sites which you talked about, the void assaults, the abyss 1119 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,560 Anglers, which you said was delayed or sorry rather, if you 1120 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,240 guys check out the interview that Sean did from Raider IO, 1121 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,520 they delayed the abyss anglers because they wanted to give it 1122 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,160 more time to shine. And I would actually argue that 1123 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:30,040 it's been buried with the amount of stuff that they threw out and 1124 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,560 things that just people have been looking at more. 1125 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:37,440 So I feel like that might have also been a good thing to like 1126 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,360 push off to the Talaman when we were looking off the coast 1127 01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,440 because we set our Hearthstone. And. 1128 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,440 So when you look at not just like this short period of time 1129 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,320 when we were actually in the full end game to 12 point O 5, 1130 01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,440 but the amount of stuff that came with 12 point O five, yeah, 1131 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,680 I can understand why Lex was saying last week, oh, I feel 1132 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,680 overwhelmed or why a lot of people like this is just too 1133 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:05,360 soon because like this delayed launch has kept things fresh for 1134 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,040 so long that like we didn't really have a time to come down 1135 01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,080 from the high. Yeah, yeah. 1136 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:18,760 I've been high since launch. But yeah, so I know once you get 1137 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,520 through the levelling up, the gearing up, the like launch of 1138 01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,400 everything, like, yeah, you're just getting into your stride. 1139 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:31,320 Yeah, yeah, I, I mean, I, I one thing from the interview 1140 01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,480 Taliesin mentioned how he loves the eight week, eight week patch 1141 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,640 cycle. I don't know that I do. 1142 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,360 I think a little slow. I think 10 weeks I think 1143 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,560 probably feels better for me. And week patch cycle, I would 1144 01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,360 like a little more breathing room, gives a little bit more of 1145 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,800 a tail for teams once they've killed stuff to relax. 1146 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,200 Gives folks a chance to start and go back. 1147 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:59,240 Yeah, I don't know I but in saying that I'm Decor duels came 1148 01:04:59,240 --> 01:04:59,960 out. I was done with it. 1149 01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:03,160 In four hours I had achieved all of the rewards I wanted. 1150 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,720 Ritual sites came out and I'll do those once a week with my 1151 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:11,280 friends. Go to Bega for like just 1152 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,720 instantly jumping me into a rank 54 challenge mode. 1153 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,560 You get a bunch of crests. So that's like a it's not 1154 01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,000 something I really have to spend time with. 1155 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,720 I did 1 void assault. I'll do one now that it's in 1156 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,680 ever song and then I'll probably never do those again. 1157 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:31,040 So there is content there. But yeah, I guess it's OK that 1158 01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,800 it comes because I don't. Initially I felt overwhelmed. 1159 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,040 I like I resonated with Lex big time. 1160 01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,280 Like, OK, there's still like I'm still working through the raid. 1161 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,640 There's a lot going on. Do I need all this extra stuff 1162 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:41,840 on top? What do I have to prioritize? 1163 01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,320 But after having done it and been like, OK, this is something 1164 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,920 I need to do once or twice, I realized this content is 1165 01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,000 actually here for maybe it's there for those people in those 1166 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,280 normal rating guilds who were like, well, we cleared the radar 1167 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:52,560 normal in a week because it was super easy. 1168 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,320 And now we're spending our time doing whatever it is normal 1169 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,520 Raiders do. Can't wait to talk to a normal 1170 01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,360 Raider. It's going to be so much fun, 1171 01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,640 gonna be great. They're gonna be like you're an 1172 01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,600 idiot. See, normal readers can have 1173 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:14,360 accurate perspectives. Anyway, I would say that I'm OK 1174 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:19,480 with the eight week cycle normally, but I think at an 1175 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:26,000 expansion launch where there are like the heroic week where there 1176 01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,240 are people levelling and such that shouldn't fall into your 1177 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,000 normal cadence. Maybe that's where you have the 1178 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,440 10 week sort of set up. And then from there we can do 8 1179 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,960 weeks going going forward because like 12 point O .7 1180 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,720 coming out in eight weeks or seven weeks from now, 8 weeks 1181 01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,880 from the patch. I think that'll be OK, right? 1182 01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:53,040 And then we won't get the full next tear until we eight weeks 1183 01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:54,760 after that. I still think that'll be OK as 1184 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,960 well. Just so rather than change 1185 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,800 everything, maybe just a just for start of an expansion, just 1186 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,480 expansion launch, we're going to give more time for people to 1187 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,120 like get into the swing of things. 1188 01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,120 I just feel bad for those late CE teams. 1189 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,960 I don't know why. I guess it's probably because I 1190 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,680 was in the late CE team for a long time and I just feel bad 1191 01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,800 for them because when you lock us into the eight week patch 1192 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,000 cycle, it really, really puts pressure on those teams. 1193 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,240 There's no break. They're they they spend all of 1194 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:29,360 their time in Prague mode and that's exhausting. 1195 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,760 And teams split up because of that. 1196 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,040 And you lose players, you have high roster churn because of it. 1197 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,240 And that's who I'm thinking of, what I'm thinking of. 1198 01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,720 Like we need like a 10. And my brain still sort of puts 1199 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,360 me in that category even though I know we're not now I'm just 1200 01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:44,720 like, why now? I want a longer break. 1201 01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,560 I want a longer farm period, but yeah, I don't know. 1202 01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,920 I just think about those teams and there's got to be late AOTC 1203 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,320 teams as well, teams that get it right at the wire, right? 1204 01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,800 There has to be, if there's late CE teams, there has to also be 1205 01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,520 late AOTC teams. So for those teams as well, I'd 1206 01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,600 like for them to have, you know, maybe a little bit more time 1207 01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,760 anyway. So I just want more time. 1208 01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:12,880 But just if you shift it to 10 weeks, you just shift now 1209 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,840 there's just new late teams. So yeah, that's not a solution, 1210 01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,200 I guess. Yeah, somebody. 1211 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,840 Somebody's going to be getting the short end of stick. 1212 01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:24,080 You try and balance it as much as you can. 1213 01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:28,520 Yeah, yeah. OK. 1214 01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:35,840 Well, I, I think that in general, adding the extra 2 1215 01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:41,240 weeks, maybe we'll give them some more time to test things if 1216 01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:45,399 they're not going to add more bodies to this situation, maybe 1217 01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:48,760 giving the people who are there more time to work on things. 1218 01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,920 Because regardless of whether it comes out in eight weeks or 10 1219 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,319 weeks, going right back to the beginning, it's got to come out 1220 01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:58,240 and make a good impression. There's so many people who are 1221 01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,319 like going crazy about what Final Fantasy 14 is offering. 1222 01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,479 And I think part of that is due to what Warcraft dumped on them 1223 01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,120 recently. And be like, you know what, 1224 01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:09,120 maybe I will look somewhere else. 1225 01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:15,640 Typically, other businesses don't gain customers when you're 1226 01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,120 doing a good job. You lose customers when you're 1227 01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:24,080 doing a bad job. Yeah, that's how it works. 1228 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,279 That's how it works. It's just like relationships, 1229 01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:29,720 right? They didn't steal your partner. 1230 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,840 You lost your partner how that worked. 1231 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,120 Or maybe your partner never wanted to be, was never your 1232 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,040 partner to begin with. What am I saying? 1233 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,920 Either way, do better do. Either way, yeah, do better. 1234 01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,439 Do better. We'll just be happy being alone. 1235 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,359 Being alone is great to do. Miss Angelina, though I. 1236 01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:53,520 Mean yeah like this is this rings hollow from the from the 1237 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,160 guy in a wonderful relationship with a. 1238 01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:57,480 I'm very lucky, a beautiful woman. 1239 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,200 And incredibly. She is incredibly understanding. 1240 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:08,480 Yeah, I'm not any less opinionated off of camera, so 1241 01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:11,280 she just spends a lot of time rolling her eyes at me and 1242 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:17,680 telling me I'm wrong. There you go, this. 1243 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:23,000 Episode is a tribute to Anjali, wonderful person, but I think 1244 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,480 that's going to do it for us today. 1245 01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:27,640 Is there anything else that you wanted to discuss before we go 1246 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,360 that's. Everything Manny, your camera 1247 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,520 just turned off. Well, until next time, may all 1248 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:34,440 your hits be good.