1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,600 It's just like, you know, if you use crutches for a long time, 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,040 eventually you lose the muscles, the development of your muscles 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,840 that are supposed to help you to walk on your own while they use 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,280 the crutch of the add on community for a long time and 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,520 now they don't have the muscles to properly develop and design 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,920 these boss fights. Victory for the Forsaken. 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,400 For Lauderon. For the Karen tour for. 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,640 Pandaria. For calendar. 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:34,000 To the burning region. For gilnaeus or has not died 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,840 for. The Lich King for the. 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:44,760 Sindora for the Alliance for the Horn for Azeroth. 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,440 Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth. 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,720 I am one of your hosts, The true man, Manny, or just Manny. 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,040 And of course, I am joined by the two parts of the triumphant. 15 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,920 We're introducing Rhea, who is saying hello to you right now. 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,920 We have her coming all the way from the wonderful. 17 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:07,920 Did I say North Carolina last time? 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,720 We're gonna go with South Carolina this time. 19 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,880 Hello, Rhea. And hello, Lex. 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,400 How are you? I am good, I am living the 21 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,120 dream. I posted about this in the 22 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,040 discord, which you can join by the way at fit dot LY slash spaz 23 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,400 discord. But I got the World of Warcraft 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,840 cast iron today so I'm going to be making a little skillet cake 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,480 after. This is my branded World of 26 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,880 Warcraft cast iron. You can always get me with 27 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,720 usable merch. I am so like with merch in 28 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,920 general, I get so anxious about like, oh I don't know where 29 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,560 would I put it? What would I do with it? 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,240 I can. I only get World of Warcraft 31 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,560 merch around like Christmas when I'm buying it for the Guild or 32 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,240 for my friends and I just buy myself a little piece too for 33 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,160 fun. But if the merch is usable 34 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,000 immediate purchase I will spend when that cast iron. 35 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,920 When I saw the link that there was a cast iron that was World 36 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,960 of Warcraft branded, I had fully prepared myself to spend up to 37 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,000 $100 on the cast iron and it was only 40, so I was very happy. 38 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,680 Yeah, yeah, I, I was a little sketched out that it was only 39 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,360 40. I was like, oh, but like, you 40 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,000 know that stuff because it's got the branding is going to cost 41 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,760 more and stuff, but the brand apparently is actually good is 42 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,400 what people are telling me. Not just pretty, pretty 43 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,120 standard, at least for for enameled cast. 44 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,120 For not sorry, not enameled for preseason cast iron. 45 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,200 OK, OK. I'll, I'll let you know if it 46 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,400 sucks, I'll tell you, but I'm very excited. 47 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,680 Yeah, I, I, I do want the full review on that. 48 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,320 I don't think it's something that I would buy just because 49 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,360 I'm kind of particular about my cookware. 50 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,760 I'm like very much like a, oh, I've got to get like this and 51 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,120 this because I have a bunch of friends that are that are 52 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,200 trained chefs and we're like, you have to get this. 53 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,640 And it's being like pushed it pushed into my head that like it 54 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:51,880 is a particular thing. Anyways, we're now going to the 55 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,840 East Coast of Canada. We have, of course, Sean. 56 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,840 Hello, Sean. How are you and how's the World 57 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,960 Warcraft treating you? Hi, Manny. 58 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,400 Hi, Lex. I'm doing great. 59 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,200 I can't wait for Lex's review of her cast iron skillet. 60 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,400 On a scale of Richard Nack to Christie Golden. 61 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,680 It's going to be fantastic. OK well yeah, Warcrafts went 62 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,440 good. I I finally have some time to 63 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,440 start dedicating to my EU character. 64 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,440 So today I went and got my praise pushed up to nightmare 65 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,600 tier. Did my did 4 delves, 4 bountiful 66 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:32,480 tier, 11 delves. I'm 257 and will probably start 67 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,960 filling my vault with 10's and twelves this week. 68 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,520 And on NA, things are good. We're progressing through the 69 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,560 raid at a really good pace. We are working on Mythic Light, 70 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,720 Blinded Vanguard, and because Prot Warrior is incredibly good 71 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,360 for that fight, I am in instead of calling it. 72 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,600 So I get to be in for Prague on that. 73 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,800 Yeah, OK, things are good, things are good. 74 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,400 How about you? Well, the race is over. 75 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,360 I'm done casting. I'm freed from my prison. 76 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,080 Yeah, I'm I'm really happy to hear that. 77 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,920 And we'll talk more about the race side and as we go through 78 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,720 this episode, of course. But yeah, that is our first 79 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,959 story. The race to world first is over. 80 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,520 So at the end of everything, Liquid has taken or rather has 81 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,920 retained the crown. They defeated the Midnight Fall 82 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:38,560 encounter with 474 pulls. I mean just yeah, 474 pulls. 83 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:44,480 Echo took second with 534 attempts and Method obtained 3rd 84 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,480 place with 524 pulls. Even though they had less pulls, 85 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:56,440 they were a day later so it was quite the intense race this 86 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,000 tier. Method was more pulls, not less 87 00:04:59,000 --> 00:04:59,960 pulls. Less pulls? 88 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:02,880 Did I switch all thumbs around? What's the switch to the 89 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,160 background? I'm pretty sure you had the 90 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:09,400 numbers right, but they were 500 plus and everybody else was sub 91 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:14,240 500, right? I must have switched those 92 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,360 numbers around. Of course, if you ever want to 93 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,960 check this stuff, the the place that I was pulling numbers is of 94 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,880 course Radar IO. You can check their global 95 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:30,240 coverage and they will show you every every kill. 96 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,600 You can check the that now you can see if any of them are 97 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:41,560 currently streaming. So according to according to the 98 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:49,160 tracker I'm seeing liquid at first with 474 echo, second with 99 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:55,320 534 poles and method at 524 poles. 100 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,120 So there might be an error on that, but that's where I'm. 101 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,880 Pulling it from sorry I during the broadcast they use the 102 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,160 Warcraft log pull counts, not the radar IO pull counts. 103 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,040 Warcraft logs any pull that's under, I think it's 10 seconds. 104 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,240 They don't count as a real pull, which is normally fine, but in 105 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,080 this fight there is a hard wipe mechanic inside the 1st 10 106 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,520 seconds, so not fine. So yeah, I apologize. 107 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:23,760 Yes. No worries. 108 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,960 But like, yeah, like, I mean, for those who aren't familiar 109 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,680 with the fight, like how in the world does that Midnight Falls 110 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,800 fight go down? It is like 3.5 phases. 111 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,960 Walk us through this, Sean. Yeah, so the Phase 1, so in 112 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,960 normal, heroic and mythic phase one is, is roughly the same. 113 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:44,840 You're fighting. It's timed so you will. 114 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:53,440 I just shocked myself 6 times. You will always fight all of 115 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,840 phase one, no matter how much gear you have, no matter how far 116 00:06:56,840 --> 00:06:59,200 into the tier you are. So phase normal, heroic, mythic 117 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,640 phase one is the same. You fight Laura. 118 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,080 She shoots glades around the room, she shoots beams around 119 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,840 the room, she does the memory game that everybody's familiar 120 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:10,200 with, and she summons some crystals that you have to 121 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,920 interrupt and then some ads you have to kill. 122 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,120 Intermission is the same across all three difficulties as well. 123 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,240 It's a bunch of star beams that you have to dodge and not get 124 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,760 hit by. Phase 2 is the same in all of 125 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,040 them as well. You get beams that you point to 126 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,240 planets, then those planets get sucked into the Lura and you're 127 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,920 moving in a circle at the same time. 128 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,920 Mythic adds an extra mechanic and that where you have to 129 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:40,240 spread phase three. Surprise surprise is the same 130 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,680 across all three. There are like slight mechanics 131 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:43,640 added on. Tops are a little more 132 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,440 difficult, but you're fighting Lura again, but this time the 133 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,960 room is filled with darkness and you have to stand in the light 134 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,200 of the Don crystals that your party is carrying to be safe. 135 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,080 And then this is where it differs. 136 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,160 In Mythic there was a secret phase four. 137 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:03,640 So on Sunday at Easter, Liquid brought the boss to 0.0% and 138 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,600 started to celebrate because they thought they had won the 139 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,480 race to world first. And Blizzard said not today, 140 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,280 call an ambulance, but not for me. 141 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:20,080 And he and Lura was risen and unlock the secret mythic 4th 142 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,720 phase, which is super cool if you haven't seen it. 143 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,920 It's visually beautiful. Lura resurrects into a dark 144 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,200 Archangel format and she flies to the center of the dark well. 145 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:38,200 And these hordes of void like Shaw are crawling their way out 146 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,600 of the center and across the room. 147 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,200 And you have to dodge them all while you're in the light of a 148 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,000 single crystal and this beam chases you. 149 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,560 It's very, very cool. It is a very cool effect. 150 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:51,240 When it happened, it was like all over social media, everybody 151 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,240 collectively was in, was involved in this moment. 152 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,280 It was a really fun, fun reveal that that they managed to mostly 153 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,840 keep it. And they had found some of the 154 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,240 spells in data mining, but they just assumed it was stuff that 155 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,280 was discarded from intermission that wasn't used. 156 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,120 So they didn't, they weren't prepared for it. 157 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,400 And then it took them, I think 2 more days. 158 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,440 They killed on two. No, they killed on Monday. 159 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,040 So yeah, one more day of Prague to get that kill. 160 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:22,800 Echo killed it the same day, Well, the day after because they 161 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,400 went to bed and got up, but I think it was the same. 162 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,320 No, they killed it on Tuesday. Anyway, it was great. 163 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,360 It was very exciting. Lure was a beautiful fight, very 164 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:37,120 visually stunning and probably the biggest disappointment for 165 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,360 me overall in the race, which we can talk about at some point. 166 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,360 Can you imagine? Yeah, I mean, we, we can 167 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,240 definitely talk about it. One thing I I want to talk about 168 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:55,440 because you were there at the desk commentating and there for 169 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,400 like several of the polls when you were doing your shift. 170 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,520 And you, you've got to like feel what the, what these like 171 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,400 players are doing where like you said, one team will go to bed 172 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,320 and the other team will be working on it. 173 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,440 And they'll be, there's a question of like, can you sleep 174 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,720 well knowing that this might race might be over because 175 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:20,280 you're only human. And that happened where Echo had 176 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,600 to go was staying up super late. And then the secret mythic only 177 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,120 phase got triggered and they're like, OK, well, there's no way 178 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,400 we're going to be dealing with that. 179 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,080 We've got to sleep. We can't do do any further extra 180 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:39,160 hours And then liquid couldn't get the job done and they're 181 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,440 like, we have to go to bed and now maybe echo's going to do 182 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,160 that. So like, and during all of this, 183 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,640 you've got method that is also progging at the boss percentages 184 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:51,280 behind, but also progging at the boss. 185 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,600 And they've got to feel like they they want to make up that 186 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,640 time. But again, they can only do so 187 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,160 many hours. And when I say hours, we're not 188 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,600 talking about 2-3 hour raid days. 189 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:05,040 We're talking about 14-16 hour raid days that get extended into 190 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,480 these are long shifts where they are just hitting their head 191 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,800 against the wall. That's how they get to 500 plus 192 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,880 poles to to kill this thing in such a short time. 193 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,680 So what is that like for the for the teams? 194 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:24,240 Like how do they like make those calls to be like, OK, like we 195 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:29,200 have to call it here? Liquid is very, very good about 196 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,120 like this is our sleep schedule. We're not breaking it for 197 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,920 anything. We're going to bed at bedtime if 198 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,800 the boss dies while we're while we're asleep and the boss dies 199 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,000 while we're asleep. And I actually think this is a 200 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,640 strength for them because of the fact that it allows their 201 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,160 players to get rest and to come back to the RIP fight strong in 202 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,160 the morning. And I think it's, it's this is 203 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:59,040 might be a hot take, but I think pushing the bedtime pushing, 204 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,960 pushing that sleep time the way that Echo has done the last two 205 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,960 tiers, I think it's contributed to why they've lost. 206 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:09,120 Because I get it. It's, you know, this Herculean 207 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,800 example of, look, we're pushing through rating until 2:00 AM to 208 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,040 try to get this killed because we're going pole for pole. 209 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:20,200 That's detrimental. If you just like in dementias, 210 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:21,880 it wouldn't have made a difference because liquid killed 211 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,920 it in that night time. But if they just go to bed when 212 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:30,080 they're supposed to go to, if they had gone to bed on time the 213 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,000 night on Sunday, if they're going to bed on time on Sunday 214 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,480 before Liquid unlocked the heroic phase, they would have 215 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,000 woken up to a heroic phase and been fresh and had a whole day 216 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,680 to Prague. As opposed to going to bed late, 217 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:45,040 getting up, being tired 'cause you're not going to sleep very 218 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,400 well. It's just, I think it's a 219 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:47,760 mistake. And then I I mean it. 220 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:54,040 While Method played extremely consistently in getting to P3 in 221 00:12:54,040 --> 00:13:01,520 the fight for two days, there was some stumbling from them on 222 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,040 fine on Bella Ren, Prague and early Prague on Laura and then 223 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,760 again after the fact they played very poorly. 224 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,520 They they were never in the like there was never in there was no 225 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,640 opportunity that they were even close to either the other teams. 226 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,480 So I don't think that they felt anything probably other than 227 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,440 frustration of themselves. So their sleep schedule never 228 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,240 changed because there was no reason to change it. 229 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,840 Unfortunate. We're obviously playing at very, 230 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,520 very different levels, but I do know there are frequently like 231 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:38,360 final bosses where we will call the end of a rain night early 232 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,960 because it's so obvious that we are just doing worse every 233 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,400 single pull. And like, on the one hand, it 234 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,640 feels like you kind of want to like white knuckle through, 235 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,760 like, no, like we're just going, we just got to focus up. 236 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,640 We just got to figure it out. We just got to go. 237 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,800 But if you're just tired and frustrated and then like every 238 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,880 mistake, you get more and more mad at yourself because you're 239 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,440 exhausted. The number of times that we've, 240 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,200 you know, ended a raid feeling like we're never going to get 241 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,160 this boss down. And then the next raid night we 242 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,600 get in two pulls, maybe like I, I again, very different levels, 243 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,560 but if you're tired, you're not going to be working at the level 244 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:15,760 you need to be. And so a couple extra hours I I 245 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,520 totally believe that a couple extra hours playing at your most 246 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,600 exhausted is much less worthwhile than a couple hours 247 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,000 waking up earlier to to play at your most rested. 248 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:32,160 Yep, even if it's different levels, like you're the, the the 249 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,800 level on the total scale is different, but it it is one to 250 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,840 one. You're you know, the rate that 251 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,960 you're doing is as difficult to you as the the rate is to them 252 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,440 for the skill level, right? They're at the level where 253 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,440 they're they're playing a boss at their hardest level. 254 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,640 They're doing their best. And so are you is just at a 255 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,320 different difficulty level in the fight and that like I have 256 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,800 100% I I'm with you. Like I couldn't possibly be more 257 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,240 in support of what you just said. 258 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,920 Like you need time to rest and sometimes just logging off and 259 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,920 going to bed, you download the boss better like your your brain 260 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,080 has a chance to process like, OK, hey, why? 261 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,360 Then you wake up the next morning, you're like, I got it. 262 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,480 I know it clicks while you're asleep sometimes. 263 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,600 Yeah, in your asleep. That's like psychologically that 264 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,600 when I was in college, I was a psych major and I very 265 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,840 frequently if I was stressed about a test, I would study like 266 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,400 immediately before bed because then it's running through your 267 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,400 brain. Yep, yeah. 268 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,640 OK, I mean this. I mean, the last two bosses were 269 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,880 definitely exacting. They were fights where if 270 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,680 somebody messed up something, it led to a wipe. 271 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,360 It wasn't recovery thing. Especially since like with 272 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,400 Midnight Falls, the first 3 phases are basically full DPS 273 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,640 checks of like you've got to get that damage. 274 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,960 You've got to make sure that when you're getting into phase 275 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,760 three that you've got it to at least this point. 276 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,480 And so there were like frequent times where they're like, oh, 277 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,520 they're behind going into that first intermission, they're 278 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:03,000 behind going into phase two, they're behind in phase three 279 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,360 and how are they going to make it up? 280 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,960 Where are they going to get this damage from? 281 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,360 Same thing with Bellerin, where like there were particular 282 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,600 things where like if you did not do it right, congratulations, 283 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,440 pull again. And so when you have fights that 284 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:24,800 are like the execution has to be at that level, aside from like 285 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:30,120 some cheeses that the that the guys ended up doing, how does 286 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,440 that weigh on the pull? Again, like there are times when 287 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,160 you're like, OK, we're only doing a 2 minute break. 288 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,880 We're only doing doing enough time off. 289 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,080 So you can like run to the washroom and then get back and 290 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,600 go at it again. But like that kind of 291 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:50,280 requirement to consistently be excellent with so little margin 292 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,480 of error, how does, how does that like weigh on those those 293 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,560 teams? How does it weigh on like even 294 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,600 the home teams when you're playing at that at a mythic 295 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,960 level? I mean, they train for like they 296 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,200 they're they're a lot of the players are used to this because 297 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,960 they're the race world 1st pool, unfortunately is incredibly 298 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,640 small. So if you were to look at the 299 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,680 rosters of race world first, the top three race of the first 300 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:19,240 teams this tier and go back 5 tiers, I'm willing to bet you 301 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,160 have very few new faces, probably less than 25%. 302 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,319 So they they've been there before they're used to this 303 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:27,680 pressure they're used to playing that way. 304 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,160 I think you see it more on so like a team like Liquid who's 305 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,640 won the last now 4 races in a row. 306 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,920 If you make a mistake, it's probably easier to forgive that, 307 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,880 right? You're coming from a place of 308 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,720 success like we've won four in a row. 309 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,800 You made a mistake. OK, well we'll, we'll figure out 310 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,560 the problem and then come up with a solution. 311 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,760 On a team like Echo, when people are making mistakes, I think 312 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,400 it's probably more intense on them mentally because they've 313 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,240 lost four in a row, 2 incredibly close ones. 314 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,160 So for them, mistakes probably feel more, they probably noticed 315 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,720 that more and it it probably causes more pressure on them, 316 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,840 which then leads to more mistakes because that's what 317 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,000 will happen for a team like Method, I think. 318 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,680 I think Method had more players who were new to the racer world 319 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,400 first this year than either of the other two teams. 320 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:23,680 And I think it showed just yeah, it showed. 321 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,080 I don't like to use the terms locked in or focus up. 322 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,240 That's those, those that means nothing, right? 323 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,920 These players are all focused. They're all quote UN quote 324 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,400 locked in. When you're watching a broadcast 325 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,680 and the caster says the team, you know that the team wipes on 326 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,960 something. If the caster says they just 327 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,160 need to focus up and lock in, that caster doesn't have any 328 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,480 idea what they're talking about and probably shouldn't be on a 329 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,240 desk. Yeah. 330 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,480 So it's they're, they're all, all these teams are focused so 331 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,480 that those mistakes weigh on them. 332 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,520 But you know, they're the best in the world for a reason. 333 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,000 And hopefully the, hopefully the, the management around the 334 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,720 team, the leadership around the team is able to, to coach them 335 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,320 directly through that. But you do see it, you see, you 336 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,040 see frustrations. You know, there was one day we 337 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,760 had no Comm. We were told we can't cut the 338 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,680 comms for the team. And it's because they were 339 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,640 frustrated. So we weren't able to, to put 340 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,000 them on comms for it. So it's, yeah. 341 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,920 And it's also tough 'cause they're not just trying to win 342 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,760 this race, they're not just trying to play at an extreme 343 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,160 high level, but they're also putting on a show. 344 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,480 There was over 300,000 people watching them. 345 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,680 You know, when's the last time 300,000 people watch you do 346 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,080 anything, you know, and and think about the pressure of 347 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,960 like, you know, I mean, you know, the numbers of the 348 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,280 downloads for the show does that. 349 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,080 How much pressure do you feel just from that to put out a good 350 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,240 product? You know, now imagine it's 351 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,080 multiplied by whatever amount to get to 300,000. 352 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,280 Spoiler alert, that downloads to the show or not 300,000, I 353 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:52,720 guess. Yeah, like it's it's it could be 354 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,280 though. I think it's products there, but 355 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:55,760 yeah, it. Was let's get that pressure 356 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:56,840 going. That's right. 357 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,040 That's right. We just need more moms to 358 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,320 listen. Yeah, but no, it's good. 359 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:02,800 They put on a good show. They all played really well. 360 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:09,280 And yeah, I think from a viewer's standpoint, it was 361 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,520 probably a race that was a bit confusing, bit of a roller 362 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,760 coaster from start to finish. But I like to believe that the 363 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,080 ending was strong and that people will walk away happy, 364 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,680 happy with the race overall. The vast, I think the vast 365 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,560 majority will. I didn't, but I think I think 366 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,360 others will have Sean. You've been hinting a lot. 367 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,480 I really want to know what you're frustrated about. 368 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,840 Tell me your feelings. Well, it's there's a couple of 369 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:38,960 them, there's a couple of things. 370 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,040 So and they're all intertwined. They all work together. 371 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:50,000 Now we came into this tear being told, you know, we're further 372 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:55,400 ahead along in the add on restrictions or further along 373 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,280 further along in this add on list world, add on restriction 374 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,000 world, API world than we want it to be. 375 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:03,600 So we feel confident making this cut so that you won't have 376 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,320 access to them because we don't think you'll need them. 377 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:10,480 And we're going to design bosses and dungeons and raids going 378 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:15,960 forward without them in mind. Cool, we all said. 379 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,160 Well, some of us were skeptical, some of us were optimistic, and 380 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,600 some of us said we can't judge them until we've seen the 381 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,560 result. So let's see the result first. 382 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,240 We've now seen the result. We've seen the first tier of the 383 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,960 raid start. It started my my concerns 384 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,840 started with the light blinded vanguard. 385 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,000 So void Spire was being cleared very quickly. 386 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,720 The community at large was concerned that the race was 387 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:48,040 quote UN quote too easy. Oh, this race will be over by 388 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,080 Thursday. And I mean for all intents and 389 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,000 purposes, that first rate tier was over by Thursday. 390 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,680 They cleared Chimeris, they cleared void Spire by Thursday. 391 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,280 But in heading up to that, Blizzard did some reactionary 392 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,120 buffs, which we talked about, yes, last week, reactionary 393 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:06,640 buffs to the paladins, the the like blood of the vanguard 394 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,280 fight. And I'm frustrated because one 395 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,080 of the things they said they, you know, weak auras and 396 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,240 computational weak auras restrict our design space and 397 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,880 we're unable to be as creative as we want to be with those in 398 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,080 place. And their first knee jerk 399 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,640 reaction in how to buff the light blinded vanguard fight to 400 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,040 make it more of a challenge was to include a dispel mechanic 401 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,760 that required a weak aura to solve. 402 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,360 They bumped the number from 4:00 to 8:00. 403 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,480 The teams found a way around it, designed a weak horror for it, 404 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:49,320 solved it that way, and anybody who didn't have access to it was 405 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,000 hard stock and couldn't progress it. 406 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,880 That's frustrating to me that there for now. 407 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:58,080 So that being said, OK, it's their first tier. 408 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,720 I say reactionary, but it was it was panic. 409 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,880 That buff was panic. And we know it was because they 410 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,840 removed it Tuesday after the kill. 411 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,080 They completely reverted all those changes. 412 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,000 OK, so you're you're in a panic. You're trying to say, you know, 413 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,720 stop people from saying this race is too easy. 414 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,520 You're trying to put up a wall that makes gives the team some 415 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,040 kind of challenge. You go to the well that you 416 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,720 know, which is make things harder by making them, you know, 417 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,920 need require a weak or to solve because there wasn't really an 418 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,720 effective human way to solve it without it. 419 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:30,960 Cool. All right. 420 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,160 So then they tell us. They told us, you know, the 421 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,760 messaging was clear. Illyria is the penultimate boss. 422 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,120 This raid tier even though it is 3 raids is not linear. 423 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,560 It's not dream rift then void Spire then March uncleod and 424 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,840 ass. We are weaving like they 425 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,640 literally told me personally in an interview we are weaving the 426 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,320 difficulty between the tiers so void Spire first one to three, 427 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,520 then chimeras, then back to void Spire, then Bella Ren after like 428 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,960 like blended vanguard, then a Larry is the penultimate boss 429 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,840 and then Lura. Well, when Alaria died in 30 430 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:12,240 pulse and everybody said that was too easy, they went back on 431 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,760 that and increase the item level of the drops from Bellerin and 432 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,840 increase the difficulty. And how did they increase the 433 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,120 difficulty of Bellerin? They made every mechanic A1 434 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:28,360 shot, which is a lesson that we learned 6 tiers ago. 5 tiers. 435 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:30,360 Like I can't remember how many tiers ago it was when they were 436 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:34,160 like, Hey, we we recognize that you guys don't like this 437 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,120 punishing thing where everything is a one shot for the team. 438 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,080 So we moved away from it and they have been to Blizzard's 439 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,720 credit, they have been extremely good. 440 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,720 I can't remember the exact here when they said they're moving 441 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,080 away from that. It might have been newer bar 442 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,600 palace. But anyway, they've been very, 443 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,480 very good about moving away from that. 444 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,680 But we reacted to the Bellerin to, to artificially making 445 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,720 Bellerin the new penultimate boss by going back to the well 446 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,960 and, and buffing her to a point that no other team could 447 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,280 hopefully progress her outside of the top, you know, maybe top 448 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,480 five teams because of the tight DPS check required. 449 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,680 And we see this week they have reverted all of those buffs and, 450 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,840 and brought her back to where she was, which is frustrating 451 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,080 because teams that got there and had no hope of progressing, 452 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,520 we're basically just told your raid, you don't get a raid week 453 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,680 this week. You get to go do Mythic plus 454 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,000 because you can't kill the boss you're on. 455 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,440 So OK, that's fine. It was done for the spectacle, 456 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,160 it was done for the race. It was done because people said 457 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,920 this is too easy. So now we're on Louvre, Midnight 458 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,880 Falls, the final boss of the raid tier and the, the, the, 459 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,800 the, the, the biggest selling point in, in an interview with 460 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,040 Paul Barker or with Dylan Barker and Paul Cuban, I asked them 461 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,400 what are they most excited for the players to see the new 462 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,520 mechanics that are coming. There's one in particular that 463 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,480 we're really excited about that we couldn't have done if week or 464 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,480 has existed. And we can't wait to see how 465 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,760 players engage with it. And it's the memory game. 466 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,000 It's 100% the memory game that he was talking about because it 467 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,640 was the only mechanic that wasn't seen yet by anybody and 468 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:20,680 it required a week or I have asked, I asked everybody I 469 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,240 casted with at the time. I've asked people that I've seen 470 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,800 that the raid is split into 3 phases. 471 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,760 Each phase gets a couple of pieces. 472 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,840 There's 5 icons that are shown. The phase with 10 people sees 473 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,240 two of them. The other two phases sees the 474 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,480 other three. But it would be so like it would 475 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,240 be like phase one sees the first one, phase two sees the second 476 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,800 one, phase three sees the third one, phase two sees the 4th one, 477 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,960 phase one sees the fifth one. And I asked people how and then, 478 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,280 and then in those five phases, 5 people in each phase are marked 479 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,760 with the icons and they all have to line up in the exact same 480 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,800 spot so that the beam hits them all at the same time in order. 481 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,120 Incredibly difficult, Incredibly difficult. 482 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:13,120 The teams wrote weak auras. One of the one of the core 483 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,760 tenants they told us was that we don't weak or we don't want weak 484 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,520 auras to be able to communicate to each other while in combat 485 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:25,200 through chat these all the week or that was written communicates 486 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,120 through chat to all the other players one person. 487 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:33,120 Well, in that case three people enter what icon they see and it 488 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:34,720 gets distributed to everybody else. 489 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:41,400 It, it, it is flatly and boldly against what we were told over 490 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,880 and over again for months that they didn't want to happen. 491 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,000 And I'm frustrated this is, this was like, this was the straw. 492 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,600 And I'm frustrated because a Blizzard designed this mechanic 493 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,480 this way, knowing this was the only like I've had people say, 494 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,040 oh, they just expect the people to call them out and then repeat 495 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,080 them until people are lined up in the right order. 496 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,840 It's you have like 7 seconds and the icons flash 1:00 every 497 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,680 second. It's there is no human way that 498 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,400 was the solution. Nobody's doing that. 499 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,520 So I'm frustrated that this was designed this way. 500 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,800 Obviously this boss was designed before the removal of 501 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,400 Computational week or as before any of that stuff. 502 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,960 It it obviously was, there's no question in my mind. 503 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,880 But I'm also frustrated because this was the opportunity for the 504 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:39,560 three teams at the top to not try to find a workaround, to not 505 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,400 do everything they could to get a get around and to just say, 506 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,200 OK, we're going to follow Blizzard's intent. 507 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,200 We're going to do what they say they meant us to do and then 508 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,720 fail and have it show so that then it had to be changed and 509 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,760 they didn't. So Blizzard designed it, the 510 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,080 teams found a workaround and now we're in a state where if you 511 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,760 don't have this add on, you're not killing Mythoglura. 512 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,880 And I'm, and I'm just like, well, if we're back to using 513 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,640 weak ores, I'm going to use our 1F. 514 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,120 Now what? What's it for? 515 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,520 What did we do all of this anyway? 516 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:18,200 That is OK, not to start drama on the podcast, but wasn't it 517 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,200 Max who was saying like, Oh yeah, you guys might be freaking 518 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,600 out by week or it's going away? We don't really need them. 519 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,520 Like that's that's that's like middle of the pack sort of 520 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,840 issue. We're going to be fine. 521 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,320 Yeah. Yeah, I I know that's not a. 522 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,520 Quote the middle of the pack don't have on staff coders to 523 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,720 build their own their own stuff. The middle of the pack doesn't 524 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,400 have like teams of like guilds that are going to funnel them 525 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,320 the loot so they can like get ADPS check that. 526 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,880 Even if I were to join one of those teams, I wouldn't be able 527 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,040 to make right. Like it's just it is such a 528 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,920 different world for race to world first. 529 00:29:54,280 --> 00:30:00,000 Even if I were to attempt those bosses, like my team shows up 530 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,240 and gets 474 attempts at at this boss tomorrow. 531 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,440 I'm never gonna do that. Never gonna I'm never gonna make 532 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,280 that Like it's there's playing. They're almost playing a 533 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,400 different game when, when, and like I say, almost because the 534 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,000 race, the world first warps the game, even if you're not playing 535 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,760 it in every region, like prices start shifting around. 536 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,840 People start like be like I'm going to go do splits with blah 537 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,600 blah blah and lose out loot. So other guilds start slowing 538 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,200 down relative to their progress. Like it's just, it's such a 539 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:45,040 weird thing because it's like the way that they inflate their 540 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,400 item level, the way that they accumulate their power, the way 541 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,880 that they tackle the, these, these things is so different 542 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,640 from the way that you and I would do it at home. 543 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:03,160 They, they've got people who have like 1010 alts and it's 544 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,960 like, which one got the jackpot on loot? 545 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,160 That's the one I'm running with. And then they've got people who 546 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,680 are, who have like a backlog of alts that they decided to farm 547 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,600 up, you know, in that space between Thursday and the reset. 548 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,040 So they had even a deeper goal of characters to to go through 549 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,520 and they look at it and they're like, yeah, we don't need the 3% 550 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,160 Dr. from from rogues and the damage there isn't isn't really 551 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,920 worth it. So they kick the rogue and they 552 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,120 go get this thing they like the the what was it? 553 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,000 The Aug. The Ogvoker Tech. 554 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,760 So augmentation on So Bellerin. Bellerin got nerfed this week, 555 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,600 but actually got stealth buffed. Augmentation of Ogres were 556 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,160 brought to make sure that they were intentionally buffing the 557 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,520 Wind Walker Monk and the March Bishop hunters for the egg phase 558 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,520 augmentations. Eben Mite had a Max range of 100 559 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,960 yards, so they would position themselves so that only the 560 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,280 Windwalker Monk and the Marksmanship Hunters were 561 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,920 guaranteed to get that Eben Mite buff going into the 562 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,200 intermission. So they were forced funneling 563 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,440 this buff on them, which was increasing their damage, which 564 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,200 is allowing them to two phase bellerin on the egg. 565 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,760 They increased. Blizzard didn't like that. 566 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,920 They didn't want people to be doing that, so they increased 567 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,360 the range of that ability to 500 yards. 568 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,880 They said no, we don't want that 500 yards. 569 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,360 And that was the range for Eben Mite, which is a stealth nerf to 570 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,320 that egg now, because now you can't force your eben mite on 571 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,400 those three classes that you needed to have to two phase. 572 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,280 And now Bellerin will be harder to kill for a lot of teams 573 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,960 because you won't be able to two phase, which means you're going 574 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,040 to have to three phase it, which increases the healing 575 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,600 requirement because in that second, in that third Phoenix 576 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,840 phase, he has 20% healing reduction applied to the raid. 577 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,680 Well, and also that's the line, like that's the thing. 578 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,720 The Blizzard was like, oh, you that you guys can't do that. 579 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,520 That's not what we want you to do. 580 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,440 I'm doing that snap thing that young people do because I agree 581 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,320 with length. It was frustrating. 582 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,480 I wanted to love the race. I wanted to love it. 583 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,920 I, I'm going to let you talk in a second because I know I 584 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,160 bogutted the mic for this whole section and the spectacle of the 585 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,000 race was great. And if you're somebody who just 586 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,360 is tuning in to watch, it's exciting, it's pull for pull, 587 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,120 it's percent for percent, it was great. 588 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,200 But as somebody who's been tracking this for a long time 589 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,480 and as somebody who loves this game and somebody who who was 590 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,240 genuinely concerned about the removal of these tools that 591 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,160 everybody whatever. But a lot of people use and 592 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,120 being told, don't worry, we've got a plan. 593 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,960 And then the plan being just kidding, we don't. 594 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,520 It really puts it really put a damper on what should have been 595 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,120 a great race for me. And I don't know. 596 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,400 I don't know what this means for Atalu tech, but right now for 597 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,480 Lura, if you're not using this week aura and you're fighting it 598 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,880 on mythic, you're not killing it. 599 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,520 Luckily, northern sky developed it. 600 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,200 Relo over at northern sky. Shout out to relo the true hero 601 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,000 of of of add-ons. He developed the same thing that 602 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,040 these top teams had done. Hugo hero, hot pot hero got to 603 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,480 Lura. They don't have a coder. 604 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,400 They were literally offering to pay money to somebody to write 605 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,280 them the add on so that they could fight the boss. 606 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,840 They were the 4th place Guild in the world and they couldn't 607 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,080 fight the boss because they didn't have the add on that 608 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,360 Blizzard told them they wouldn't need. 609 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,840 Sorry. OK, now I'm done and I'm going 610 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,280 to drink my tea and I'm going to be happy about the next thing we 611 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:30,440 talked about. I feel like the add on 612 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:41,080 Apocalypse landed poorly in that if it had gone one way or the 613 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,000 other in terms of direction of severity, it might have been 614 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,520 better. But we saw, we kind of saw this 615 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:55,639 coming and it's because these teams, they're in a kind of each 616 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:59,040 having a gun to each other's heads where it's like if you do 617 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,000 not do this, you are giving up the advantage and you're 618 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,360 throwing the race. If Liquid did not do this method 619 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,560 and method and Echo would have would have done it. 620 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,080 To echo and methods credit, Liquid got to the boss and had 621 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,640 this written. Oh yeah, neither of them did, 622 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,600 and they didn't write it until they saw it on Echo's on Liquid 623 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,520 stream. So the first, the first strike, 624 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,960 so to speak, was from Liquid. And. 625 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,600 But but then they immediately. And then they immediately wrote 626 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,040 it right? I think if they had like liquid 627 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,400 was pre emptive about it they went dark on fire. 628 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,680 After 12 hours. Oh don't talk to me about cease 629 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,640 fires today. Anyways, the pre emptive strike, 630 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,880 they went dark on a heroic hole to test this thing. 631 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,560 They were going in guns blazing to make sure that they had had 632 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,680 this ready. Then of course, panic, right? 633 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,000 Like Oh my goodness, this this needed or did it need? 634 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:08,000 Like at this point we can only speculate that this was needed 635 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,440 to do this. I'm not like based on like the 636 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,760 speed at which it comes out. It really feels like it was I'd, 637 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,080 I would have loved to have seen an alternate reality where they 638 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,760 had done as you, you had said, Chon, they didn't do this. 639 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,680 They had butted their heads against the wall. 640 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,720 It had become mathematically impossible. 641 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,600 And Blizzard would have had to have said, hey, we cannot do, we 642 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,640 cannot do this anymore. But Blizzard was really trying 643 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:45,280 like they put out like hot fixes against different ways for weak 644 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,760 cores to communicate when they when they were seeing it like 645 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,800 that was something happening in the race where they're like, OK, 646 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,800 we're changing it so weak cores can't communicate to people 647 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,680 outside of the race. Because originally there was 648 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,600 some program that was like sending messages to like some 649 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,560 21st person that was outside of the raid and therefore their 650 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,680 computations could work and then bouncing it back into the raid. 651 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,320 So this was a whack A mole game in some cases of them trying to 652 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,280 be like, uh oh, people are people are trying to use those 653 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,200 computational add-ons. Let's let's bring the hammer 654 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,800 down on that. And they failed. 655 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,480 They did not, they did not get it down. 656 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:28,480 And that made me think that they had to go the cold Turkey route 657 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,080 because if they hadn't done it in the way that they did it this 658 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,920 time, they would not have seen it when they finally pulled the 659 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,040 trigger. And we would be in the same 660 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:47,480 situation just a Tier 2 later where team one team, regardless 661 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,840 of whether that's licked, regardless of whether that's 662 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,280 Echo, regardless of whether that's like some team in a 663 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,960 different region. That's like, hey, this is how we 664 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:59,840 get the advantage here. Would have found some clever way 665 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,120 and probably still will. I don't think that this is the 666 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,960 end of it, right? Probably still will find some 667 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,800 creative way and and until Blizzard wants to start throwing 668 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,240 out bands in the middle of race the world first because you're 669 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,280 not adhering to the spirit of the law, not the written word of 670 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,240 the law. Like it's gonna I feel like this 671 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,960 is a trend that's gonna continue and that's a sad reality that 672 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,000 I'm I'm thinking is where we're at. 673 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:27,600 What what do you guys think of it? 674 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,080 So not to play Sean's role, but one thing it sounds like in this 675 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,320 Blizzard whack mole that they didn't try was extending the 676 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,760 time, right. If if everyone universally is 677 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,080 going to add-ons to fix this problem, including insane things 678 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,760 like bouncing a message back and then they tell you back in, they 679 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,160 could have just extended. I mean, I, I guess I don't we we 680 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,000 don't know what would have happened. 681 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,280 If they've been like, it seems like it's a little too hard and 682 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,360 you guys are like fighting for your life to not have to do it, 683 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,000 stop doing that. But also now you know, it's a 14 684 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,280 second situation. I mean, I guess it's probably a 685 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,560 more complicated fix, right, Like that changes more things 686 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,920 about the boss that could make it messy. 687 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,080 But I mean, that's what they said they they do right? 688 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,200 They that was kind of the promise is we're taking away 689 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,960 weak or as we're going to make things more human and and 690 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,920 realistic versus. And the lie detector said that 691 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,040 was a lie. Well, that I think that might 692 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,120 have actually been the same interview where they said that 693 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,760 weak horrors weren't going anywhere. 694 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,760 So that was not a strong interview. 695 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:39,400 OK, so then Lex, if they had changed the the fights. 696 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,000 I just hold on. I just want to clarify the 697 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,320 bouncing messages bringing information back in was not for 698 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,680 the memory game. That was so that they could 699 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,960 track other people's cooldowns and externals and stuff. 700 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,880 Yeah, another, another functionality that was taken 701 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,960 away from us that everybody's been asking to have returned it. 702 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,440 Was also the fact that people would get buffs on them, right? 703 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,320 So Lex, you as a Demon Hunter, you get like arcane brilliance 704 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,920 and you're like, I don't need this buff. 705 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:06,800 And So what people would do is they'd be like, hey, Lex macro. 706 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,560 Remove Arcane Brilliance onto your cooldown so that and then 707 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,800 my add on will see that you've lost Arcane Brilliance and say, 708 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,600 oh, Lex has started your cooldown and then track it that 709 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,120 way. That was another thing like 710 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,920 people who were being very creative about like how they 711 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,440 were getting around the restrictions that Blizzard was 712 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,240 putting in. And I'm not arguing for 713 00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:32,880 Blizzard's restrictions as some sort of utopia, like, hey, there 714 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,680 are lots of restrictions that they put in that I wish they 715 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,000 would adjust so that like people can play and like track 716 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,080 externals properly and all of this sort of stuff. 717 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:46,040 But every single restriction that they've put in, somebody 718 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,800 has attempted to find a way and in some, in many cases found 719 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,760 some creative way of breaking those restrictions. 720 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,880 And I'm, and what I'm saying is not that like, hey, like I'm not 721 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,720 being in a Blizzard, apologies. I'm just saying that like 722 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,000 regardless of when they said, OK, this is it, no more add-ons, 723 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,440 people were going to start doing those those workarounds. 724 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:12,840 The the examples that we gave are the same examples that would 725 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,720 have come up next tier if that was the tier that they decided 726 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,160 to throw the switch. Whenever they throw the switch 727 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,600 there was going to be a tier of people doing weirdness. 728 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,120 That's I I misunderstood your argument and that I do agree 729 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,040 with. I mean, I think there's an 730 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:32,040 argument to be made that if people are doing all of this to 731 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,200 get add on functionality back, do the players really want to 732 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,960 not have add-ons? That said, I have had a lot of 733 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,920 conversations with people, arguably myself included, the do 734 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,760 kind of feel like, I mean, it's not really that I want an add on 735 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,320 to like, you know, tell me. So stack over here, do this. 736 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,600 Like it's just I I know I'm going to because it's easier, 737 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,920 I'm going to play better. And so I kind of feel like I 738 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,160 have to like, otherwise I'm tanking the raid and I'm looking 739 00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,840 like kind of an idiot. So it's that one's it's, it's a 740 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,760 hard thing to kind of parse out like, but but yeah, I, I, I do 741 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,640 kind of agree. And I think the more I'm in this 742 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,120 as well. I, I really do think that it 743 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,480 was, they were going to have to pull the Band-Aid off. 744 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,760 I don't think this is the right time. 745 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:19,040 I think that they hadn't perhaps enough Like I, I, I, but I, I, 746 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,520 yeah, I think, I think this. Is just. 747 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,920 I think the concept of a slow rollout was never really 748 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,600 feasible. Yeah, I agree with that. 749 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,160 I agree with that. The this is just what we've 750 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,560 seen. There are workarounds that have 751 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,840 not that weren't aired to 300,000 people on Twitch, that 752 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,960 people are using today that get around things in other ways and 753 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,600 that you'll never see. And so now you're left 754 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,400 wondering, was that plus 20 key times because the players really 755 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,320 gained hard, or do they have some tech that they've not 756 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,720 released? Anybody else they've kept to 757 00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,480 themselves? Which does also kind of defeat 758 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,800 the point of the like this was one of the things that was 759 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,360 frustrating me a lot with the race to world first and the 760 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,200 like, you know, Oh, well, they have people who are coding in 761 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,160 their you know, like on their team. 762 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,480 Is that that just means like it used to be. 763 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,080 Oh, it sucks. The people you feel like you 764 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,440 have to like know what add-ons to go download. 765 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,360 But you can find that on a Reddit post. 766 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,880 You can find most Google like you can Google like what add-ons 767 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,760 for your team will probably yell at you or nicely tell you what 768 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,920 you need. It was it was yes, it did mean 769 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,720 that like solo players maybe had a little bit more of a 770 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,680 difficulty curve, but it was a very accessible information. 771 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:44,080 And now it just feels like it's it's so much more, you know, the 772 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,280 elite and the plebs, right. And I, I think one of one of the 773 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,480 reasons I don't really watch the race world first is because I 774 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,920 think it sucks that it's three teams. 775 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,360 I think that's boring, right? I would love it. 776 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,920 I, I think, I mean, yeah, yeah, like 3 teams technically. 777 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,720 But like, I, I think the base would be really fun if there was 778 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,360 actual competition. And I understand 99% of that. 779 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,520 If there's not enough players, there's not enough interest, 780 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,560 there's not enough money. Like there's a million reasons 781 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,280 why it's a super limited pool. That's not little things that 782 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,240 make it harder. But yeah, if you can only 783 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:18,200 realistically compete in the raced world first, if you have a 784 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,000 dedicated coder on staff, it's a two team race. 785 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,960 Like there's there's really that's not a there'll never be 786 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,920 an underdog. Not that there really was any 787 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,200 way, but like baby, right, Like it was on the table and now it's 788 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,360 completely off the table. There will never be a surprise. 789 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,600 Like I mean, maybe not never there'll I'm sure they'll get 790 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,920 better at doing these over time, but like it just it just 791 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,240 increase again. It feels like there's the 792 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,960 special people that get their cool week auras made, hand 793 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,840 picked for them and then all of you losers got to figure it out 794 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:56,640 otherwise. I, I feel like that I don't like 795 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,640 that argument. I feel that there's so many 796 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,080 different things that are contributing to like the 797 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,320 stratification, right? Like I already talked about the 798 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:10,120 splits and, and that like the amount of people that are 799 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,560 funneling loot to these guys, so their item level suddenly 800 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,280 balloons way higher. The fact that like last week one 801 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,400 guy had the top 2 geared play things. 802 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,080 And that's, that's not because he really like, I mean, he 803 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,440 worked hard. Let me let me stop myself there. 804 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,320 It's not it's not just because he worked hard, it's that he had 805 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:34,200 like 40 additional people that were also working hard and gave 806 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,560 up their loot to give to him to to like stratosphere his an item 807 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,080 level. It's the fact that like, hey, I 808 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:50,440 wish I could take off like that much time to spend making that 809 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,200 many attempts at a boss. I wish that I had a personal 810 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,960 chef that was on on hand so that I could get meals and not have 811 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,880 to worry about cooking. I wish that I had a team of 812 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,800 people being like, hey, Manny looks like in phase three, this 813 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,040 happens and that and this happens so that I didn't have to 814 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,080 rely on John being like, Manny, you're doing it wrong. 2 weeks 815 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,760 later after he sees the stuff because he was born and said, 816 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,240 Manny, you're being an idiot. Like it's there's like so many 817 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,640 things that like make this such a stratification. 818 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:28,760 Like yes, the this does add to it and is no less an of a 819 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,480 contributor to that. But all of the other things are 820 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:39,840 stuff that we have yet to like to like really note. 821 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,720 And I don't want to note this one thing alone. 822 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:45,200 Like it's some special case. It is a new contributor and 823 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,680 equally as as like separating is everything else but is not 824 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,680 standing on its own. That's fair, I guess. 825 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:54,200 Maybe more so. What I should say is if 826 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,320 Blizzard's making changes in the game that are meant to affect 827 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,200 the Race to world first team, I think that movement should be an 828 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,400 attempt to make it more like like accessible, not an attempt. 829 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,440 An attempt, OK, is not the word that I'm trying to say. 830 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,400 I think the focus should be on how can we make this something 831 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,880 that more people can access? And I think that if it it 832 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:26,960 increases the difficulty of of smaller teams breaking in, I 833 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,160 think that should be considered a strike against. 834 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,720 But I hear you that like, yeah, right. 835 00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:35,600 Like, unless they're going to start pumping, you know, 836 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,760 Blizzard money into E sports to make it so that more people can, 837 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,640 you know, have the type of job or like can take time off and 838 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:47,480 then be gamers full time or like, then by and large, none of 839 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,800 this really matters, right? I, I, I, I hear that. 840 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,360 And I think that's fair. And that's also probably why 841 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,560 they don't care, right? That's also probably why that's 842 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,000 not really on Blizzard's radar, because the number of things 843 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,000 that have to change to try to make the race world first more 844 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:04,400 open to more people is so like, you know, they'd have to change 845 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,200 the concept of capitalism in America, right? 846 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,280 Like, I get it. It's it's complicated and it's 847 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,920 difficult and they've tried. My understanding is that 848 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,160 Blizzard has played with like attempting to do E sports is a 849 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,120 Blizzard thing and it's kind of always fallen on his face. 850 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,000 So I. I think that's why you have like 851 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,400 the AWC and you have like the Arena World Championship and you 852 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,520 have like the MDI, which is basically just the great push, 853 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,240 but they decided to go with the more popular name. 854 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,600 Not anymore, no. They changed it back. 855 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,800 It's back to speed running. Back to speed running. 856 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,320 Oh, I'm happy to about that news. 857 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:40,880 I was unaware of that. Thank you, Sean. 858 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,560 You're welcome. So MDI, that's actually going to 859 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,760 be high. MDI is going to be worse though. 860 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,320 The add on changes were meant to. 861 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,160 To quote Blizzard, the at the the at the new add on changes 862 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,800 and the changes of the API are meant to. 863 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,240 I think this is the phrasing Lex was looking for. 864 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,720 Narrow the gap from the top end to the bottom end. 865 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,240 And in fact, it has widened that gap instead. 866 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:10,400 So A-Team like mandatory who has access to their own coders is 867 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,640 going to be able to use all of their tools as they speed run 868 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,000 dungeons and they're going to be going up. 869 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,720 It's because teams like Ducks can fly who I can almost 870 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:22,000 guarantee you do not have an on staff coder. 871 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:29,760 So MDI is going to be, yeah, it's if we thought the race to 872 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,960 world First was egregious in the level of, you know, and 873 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,280 everything that many mentioned is, is all part of that. 874 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,400 The cooks, the splits, the they have entire organizations 875 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,360 designed to make them the best. That's what they do. 876 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,480 But the MDI is a team of five, and some of those teams of five 877 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:48,280 have access to those same coders because they're all parts of 878 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,520 those organizations. So if you're not on one of 879 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,200 those, you better hope Northern Sky put something out for you 880 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,680 from Ethic Plus. Spoiler they won't. 881 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,560 My my hope is actually that Blizzard sees all these work 882 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:08,240 rounds, sees what failed or did not go according to the plan 883 00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:12,120 might be the better the better way to phrase it for their 884 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,480 benefit. But like everything that didn't 885 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:20,640 go according to plan and they adjust it for one point O 7, 886 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,040 which is an X rate that's going to open up, right. 887 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:30,640 And for sorry, 12 point O 7. And then for 12.1, they again 888 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:36,360 address it for the Mythic plus and for and for everybody. 889 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:42,680 Because while this has become an additional stratification 890 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,360 because some people are pushing with those weak ORS and some 891 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:53,520 people are not, generally I feel like the accessibility of most 892 00:50:53,520 --> 00:51:00,760 of rating has increased because heroic is not that same beast. 893 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,360 In fact, I think people who are able to push relatively far in 894 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,080 Mythic aren't laughing at her. They're like, this is this is 895 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,280 nowhere near the challenge it used to be. 896 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:18,600 People who are wading into the waters of Mythic plus find it 897 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,160 more accessible. People who are cutting their 898 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:30,280 teeth in in the PvP or finding it more, more understandable, 899 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,720 more readable, because that's something that was always 900 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,800 daunting with PvP was that I was like, I can't even follow what's 901 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,080 happening as a spectator, let alone in the midst of it. 902 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,440 And so if they can continue to do that, yes, the the current 903 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,280 pitfall is that mythic rating where the stratification is 100% 904 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,720 expanding. And as you are prophesizing, 905 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,240 it's going to be that much worse at these cutting edge level 906 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,480 competitions. But for the people at home, has 907 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:10,240 this been the same failure in your mind, Sean, in your mind, 908 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:10,920 Lex? Well, I I. 909 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,160 Was going to say I think we just need to separate. 910 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,600 Separate out accessible and easy, right? 911 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,640 If I, I think if the mythic people are like, Oh my God, 912 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,760 heroic is the face rule, nothing ha ha, ha, that doesn't 913 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,840 necessarily mean that heroic is more accessible, which means 914 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,400 it's easier and I guess it's a little bit of a square 915 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,680 rectangle, right. Like on the one hand, yes, if 916 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,480 something is easier to do, it's more accessible to more people, 917 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,480 but I, I don't think that should be the goal. 918 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,160 At least it's not that I want heroic rating to be boring. 919 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,320 And I, I will say, I mean, again, my team has unique 920 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,400 struggles this year. So we might be having more 921 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,840 difficulty than other people, but like, we're all on DBM, 922 00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:50,800 right? We very quickly realized that 923 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:56,360 the functionality of World of Warcraft internal UI and alerts 924 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,840 and stuff was not doing it. And we learned the DBM actually 925 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,320 is doing a lot of the stuff that DBM allegedly not supposed to be 926 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,480 able to do. And we all went back on DBM. 927 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:14,160 So I, I, I guess it just feels honestly I not much different 928 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:19,000 except kind of uglier is my take right now. 929 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:25,640 So one of the one of the struggles that I've that I've 930 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,160 seen teams having is with the Dragons, the breath. 931 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,040 That is, that is when we went back on TPM. 932 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:39,920 OK, right. And so Blizzard's default for 933 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:45,080 when that breath is on you and targeting you is laughable. 934 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,080 It's just it does not point it out. 935 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,640 Sean has also pointed out that on Crown there is a mechanic 936 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,680 that just flat out is not signposted at all, right? 937 00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:04,160 Do you consider that gaps in their in their setup or are you 938 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:09,120 saying that every fight in general is less accessible 939 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:14,600 because of the the gap between DBM and the default? 940 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,440 Are there no fights like you went through three of them 941 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,720 without without hitting it? You found like definitely one 942 00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:27,880 that I point to and go like, Oh my God, like that is AII call it 943 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,840 a gap, right? That's a fairpoint that it might 944 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:37,600 be more like there's individual. I, I personally have not loved 945 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,560 this tear. It's felt very messy. 946 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,960 I it has not felt like there's a, a clear ramp of difficulty 947 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,120 like I, I and I, I personally also really do not like the 948 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,600 split raids. I thought that was really 949 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,680 exciting when it came out. And I especially like what they 950 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,840 originally were saying of like, you're going to go here and then 951 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,360 you're going to do this. Like I no, I'm sorry that's 952 00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,920 confusing and annoying and I do not want to spend my great 953 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,600 nights running around to different locations. 954 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,640 So I may be being a little bit of a downer in general, but that 955 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:17,080 that is AI guess The thing is that the gaps when when gaps do 956 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:25,880 come up now it feels I guess worse like a lot of these gaps 957 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,480 wouldn't. And again, they are usually just 958 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,760 solved by by downloading an add on again, which I guess you 959 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,920 know, to what I said a few minutes ago. 960 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,360 Like it kind of means nothing changed. 961 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,840 It's ugly, right? And maybe that's not terrible. 962 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,800 Like maybe status quo isn't the end of the world. 963 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,800 It kind of makes me wonder what we did this for, as we love to 964 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,480 say on this show. I already used the F bomb lux, 965 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,720 you don't get to use it. I already used this show. 966 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,080 Yeah, I mean, I I guess I don't I don't think we're in like a 967 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,040 crisis. But also I was on record saying 968 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,000 I thought it was going to be really fun to not have add-ons 969 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,280 and to get to experience this all in real time. 970 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,960 And I'm not finding myself enjoying rating significantly 971 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,840 more now. And it just kind of feels like, 972 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,720 oh, Jesus Christ, you guys also couldn't figure out how to like 973 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,480 alert that one properly sick. I love that I can't change the 974 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,360 like. I love that I can't decide what 975 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,560 we're going to show up when this is fun. 976 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,800 I guess I'll go back to TBM, which is the thing I wasn't 977 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,320 supposed to do. So it, I guess I'm just, I, I, I 978 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,840 was expecting this to be like a really fun, creative, exciting 979 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,120 tier where they're getting to experiment with stuff and 980 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,200 instead it's just feeling like, damn it, you know? 981 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,080 OK. And then feel X. 982 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,040 You should have AT and be happy. That's what I did. 983 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,440 I had AT and now I'm happy. There you go. 984 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,440 Yeah. You want my thoughts, Manny? 985 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:52,520 You want me to tell you what I think? 986 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,000 Yeah, Yeah. I think it is something that's 987 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,600 always been there. There have always been gaps in 988 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,320 what Blizzard has designed and put into the bosses and what 989 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,660 information they give us and how they presented to us and the add 990 00:57:04,660 --> 00:57:06,800 on community. We're the heroes we needed. 991 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,160 They took it on themselves, they put it on their shoulders and 992 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,960 they carried all of those things. 993 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,360 If there was a if there was a mechanic in a fight that 994 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,040 Blizzard didn't clearly define to let you know, hey, this 995 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,640 ability is on you. add-ons did it for us. 996 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,200 Somebody designed a week or for it and we use that. 997 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,320 Blizzard said, hey, we don't like that. 998 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,720 And to their credit, they shouldn't have been just relying 999 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,320 heavily on that. It's just like, you know, if you 1000 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,240 use crutches for a long time, eventually you lose the muscles, 1001 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,960 the development of your muscles that is supposed to help you to 1002 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,120 walk on your own while they use the crutch of the add on 1003 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,240 community for a long time. And now they don't have the 1004 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,400 muscles to properly develop and design these boss fights. 1005 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,520 I get it. It's OK, that's what happens and 1006 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,720 everybody has said there's going to be growing pains. 1007 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,560 Let's talk about the cooldown manager which came out in 11 1008 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,640 point 1.5. So what's that 3 1/2 patches 1009 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,800 going out? There are still abilities that 1010 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,240 can't be tracked. There's a hunter ability that 1011 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,920 increases your damage by 30% that there's no way to track it 1012 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,120 other than your buffs to the top of your by your mini map. 1013 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,640 No way to know when you have this buff active or not. 1014 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,680 Death Knights still can't track all their abilities, So, you 1015 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,640 know, you still can't track racials, you still can't track 1016 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,440 potions without using an add on, still can't track trinkets. 1017 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,960 Nobody uses trinkets, do they? It's not like they put a 2 1018 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,200 minute trinket in this raid or a minute and a half drinking in 1019 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,160 the puzzle box in this season that everybody literally is 1020 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,960 running. It was a 2 minutes that 1021 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,280 everybody is running. Yeah. 1022 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,600 And you know what? And here's the thing, I have my 1023 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,680 team happy now. We said there's going to be 1024 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,800 growing pains in this transition, expected it to be 1025 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,280 worse than it is now and and you know the state that it is, you 1026 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,200 know, can we overlook it because it's normal and heroic or easy? 1027 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,040 Sure. Yeah, I guess, I guess so for a 1028 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,920 mythic team, Heroic is easy. I get that, you know, it's not 1029 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,760 accessible. It's easy for teams that are 1030 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,440 progging heroic. I know some teams that are 1031 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,480 progging heroic, much like Les Experience until they installed 1032 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:12,760 Bigwigs or DBMI think Bigwigs is superior, but Bigwigs or DBM and 1033 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,480 like the northern sky week or or the northern sky pack that gives 1034 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,440 you warnings. It they struggled, you know, 1035 00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,400 there was more tank deaths than we'd ever seen before because 1036 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,640 tanks weren't being told when it's on because the if you track 1037 00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,760 the Blizzard, the Blizzard timeline, not only is it not 1038 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,000 always accurate, but it gets to the bottom. 1039 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,680 And they intentionally said, well, when it gets to the 1040 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:32,720 bottom, that doesn't mean it's casting. 1041 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,760 That means it's next in line. That means it's spell queuing. 1042 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,400 So like, well, what? No information is better than 1043 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,440 bad information. So, but we knew we knew it was 1044 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:42,920 going to take a tier. This is their tier. 1045 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,360 If a tall utec 12.1, the troll tier launches like this, that'll 1046 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:48,520 be my last tier. I'll be done. 1047 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,120 I'll be I'll I'll leave the show. 1048 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,880 I'll be done with Warcraft. You'll all never see me again 1049 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,800 because I'm not. They get one. 1050 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,640 They get one tier. I'm not going to go through this 1051 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,400 again next year. If next year launches and it's 1052 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,960 the same state and we're all in the same spot and we're having 1053 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,480 the same conversations over and over again. 1054 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:05,840 This is one of the reasons I left the Navy. 1055 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,200 I couldn't have the same conversation every single day. 1056 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,640 And that's what the Navy was. It was the same conversation 1057 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,320 with the same people every day. Every we had a saying in the 1058 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,080 Navy, every time is like the first time. 1059 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,920 No matter what the Navy did, it had been done dozens and dozens 1060 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,680 of times in the past. There were standard operating 1061 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,800 procedures for everything, but that didn't matter. 1062 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,560 Every single time we did anything, it was like the first 1063 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,000 time it had ever been done in the history of mankind. 1064 01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,120 Did anybody ask what happened when the last ship did this? 1065 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,240 No, no. Oh, 'cause this is probably, 1066 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,280 this is probably some growing pains that we could have 1067 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,000 avoided, you know. Did they come into these? 1068 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:44,240 Oh, we don't know. We didn't ask them. 1069 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,440 You didn't. You didn't ask them. 1070 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,720 This is an incredibly complex thing we're doing. 1071 01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,360 Well, you didn't think to ask the people who did it like 6 1072 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,720 months ago? Yeah, you'll be. 1073 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,840 You guys will be looking for. You'll be looking for a new host 1074 01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:57,960 Manny, if it comes out like this. 1075 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,880 So let me ask you, do you think Blizzard will have it figured 1076 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:06,000 out by 12.1 in August? So here's my here's my. 1077 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,560 I guess I'm going to consider this the closing thought. 1078 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,800 Here I am. By the way, I am happy. 1079 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:16,120 My tea was amazing. And I can see light at the end 1080 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,400 of the tunnel. I'm about to be free. 1081 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:25,040 Blizzard did not have proper. Conversations with add on 1082 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:31,080 authors at the outset of this, there was hope that maybe they 1083 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,480 would get they get things together and have less 1084 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:41,160 disruptions than they have had. I did not expect it to go 1085 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,160 perfectly, but I think that they need to refocus. 1086 01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:50,080 They need to lock in like the cast who say and callback. 1087 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,120 Good callbacks. I love you guys. 1088 01:01:53,120 --> 01:02:00,240 I'm going to miss you in August and they need to focus. 1089 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:05,600 On making sure that this that the issues that came up this 1090 01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,400 time are solved so that we aren't having the same 1091 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,560 conversations again. I think that there will still be 1092 01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,640 problems, but if there are new problems, if they are, if there 1093 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,960 are new workarounds, at least then we could say it's progress. 1094 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:24,360 I think that they need to start handling this with a Red Hat 1095 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,800 program. Find the holes in our in our 1096 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,920 logic, find the workarounds, hire people that they're just 1097 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,360 going to looking to break the system. 1098 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,200 Be like, oh, I can just recreate this doing this way, right and 1099 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,280 just have them going at it because clearly the teams and 1100 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,840 the community is already going going at it. 1101 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:49,920 And then if that is the case, that will still be a different 1102 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:55,520 conversation where Lex goes, this isn't signposted well 1103 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,720 enough and I need an add on. And if that's the same 1104 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,960 conversation they're having at the top end, that's way better, 1105 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:10,320 way more uniform than, oh, I've got to go to to this Guild to 1106 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,160 hopefully get them to release it. 1107 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,080 And I'm sure that number of the Guild will do that method, 1108 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,240 method liquid echo, because that gets more eyes on their their 1109 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,840 website and and so forth. So like now that the race is 1110 01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,240 over, guaranteed you that's a suite of add-ons will be out 1111 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,040 there that give all of that, that sort of stuff just like it 1112 01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:32,560 has been in many different times. 1113 01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,800 But at least the working plebs had their versions of those 1114 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,600 atoms that came out from the community at large. 1115 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:47,160 I think this was also partially compounded because the weaker 1116 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:51,320 dev packed packed up said, I'm not doing a compromised version 1117 01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:56,080 of this where somebody picked up that forked it and said I'll do 1118 01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,480 a compromised version of this. And other people did not think 1119 01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,040 to to do that. So they all have their forks 1120 01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:06,120 that are out there. That stuff will be obviously 1121 01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,360 picked up and analyzed. And I think that they just need 1122 01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:16,440 to really work on the solution because I think the hubris was 1123 01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,920 that they thought that they would fix it one way and that 1124 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:22,160 would be good for all time. And the community has shown that 1125 01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:27,000 they are way smarter than that. I agree in. 1126 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,400 Other news, there was no midrade wall boss for the first year 1127 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,760 since Chattelands. So we did it. 1128 01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:36,760 That's a win. That's a win. 1129 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,920 Yeah, that's a win. The wall is actually flying to 1130 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,320 the other box. That is no. 1131 01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,320 One was able to see that one anyways, now that. 1132 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,320 The race the world First has concluded. 1133 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,080 We have seen a number of hot fixes. 1134 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:55,160 We have seen a number of changes, both class balances and 1135 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,200 rate changes and item changes as well as PvP changes. 1136 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,600 So the doors are open. We're seeing a new flush of 1137 01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,640 changes as well. Make sure you are looking at the 1138 01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,200 various websites to see what those changes are. 1139 01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,800 But until next time guys, may all your hits be grits.