1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:06,440 So we had a big amount of news that came in jumbo size, Wow 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,080 cast. And unfortunately last week we 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,920 didn't put out an episode because I was stupid. 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,440 But yeah, there's a lot to cover. 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,160 So I guess we'll get right here. Victory. 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,120 For the Forsaken. For Lauderon. 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:30,120 For the Karen Tour for Pandaria. For calendar to. 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:31,520 The. Burning. 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,280 Region. For Gilnaeus that has not died, 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:42,960 for the Lich King, for the Sindora, for the Alliance, for 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,200 the. Horde for Azeroth. 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,920 Hello and welcome to you for Azeroth. 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,960 I am one of your hosts, Manny, AKA The Treatment of Manny, and 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,320 joining me is the other two parts of The Triumphant starting 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,760 First, 'cause Lex, I know you really want to get into this. 16 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,080 How are you Lex, and how's the World of Warcraft treating you? 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,720 I'm doing good. My team got mugsy down last week 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,120 and we are holding. So this tomorrow, Yeah, so 19 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,280 Thursday. So probably the day that the 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,480 episode comes out, God willing, we'll have AOTC, which is crazy 21 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,120 to think about 'cause it's been 2 weeks of the season and also 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,040 200 years. Congrats, Congrats. 23 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:30,080 There you go. And on the other side of, well, 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,360 I wouldn't say the bench, but other side of this country is 25 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,400 Sean. Hello Sean, How are you and 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:37,800 how's the World of Warcraft been treating you? 27 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,440 I'm Andy, Warcraft's been great. We got one armed bandit down, so 28 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,080 we are now working on mugsy. Oh so. 29 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,840 You're almost my the point with the we're at. 30 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,960 Almost at to the yeah, the point that you're on, that's pretty 31 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,240 good. Alexa, I would like to make one 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,280 quick pitch. There's not really a good reason 33 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,320 to extend because you unlocked the skip to mugsy now, so you 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,720 could skip right to mugsy and then get another shot at the 35 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,360 loot from there. House of Cards is usually a 36 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:03,720 pretty big upgrade for a lot of people. 37 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,000 Issue that we ran the the thinking that we had is that it 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,280 didn't. And if for anyone in my Guild 39 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,160 who's listening, this is not a drag at all. 40 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:15,520 It didn't feel though, like we got mugsy because we had the 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,200 dance down perfectly and everything was like 100% like 42 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,680 good to go, we are clean, we're going to get in like we'll have 43 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,560 this on farm forever. It kind of felt like we got 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,800 mugsy down because like we were holding up really tight and we 45 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,200 were able to push, push, push, then we got it. 46 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,200 So the last thing we'd want to do is to say that we're working 47 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,080 on AOTC and then spend another night hitting our head against 48 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,360 Mugsy again. Makes sense one. 49 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,000 I will give you 1 tip for Galliwicks, that is when he 50 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,920 starts to cast suppression in phase two. 51 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:47,400 Don't worry about it in phase one, but in his phase where he's 52 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:53,040 in the robot body get far fast. Oh good, so that's for everyone 53 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,640 else 'cause I just felt I always fell off anyway, so I get 54 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:57,840 everywhere wherever. I want, yeah. 55 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,720 Yes, well, everyone else in Timbermaw Tavern listen to what 56 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,240 Sean's saying. That's right, I guess maybe that 57 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,800 might be considered phase three cause Phase 2 is when he's on 58 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,520 the edge. It's when he's in his robot body 59 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,520 after he does the beams. No, I know what you're talking 60 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:10,480 about. Yeah. 61 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,960 Just yeah, just roars and whatever you can to just get 62 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,440 that distance. GTFO, get the Frick out. 63 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,440 OK. So I'm glad that that's going 64 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,600 well, that you guys are all progressing through and that my 65 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,240 team still needs to do our achievement runs and such. 66 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,760 We're just currently doing farm. I'm hoping we do that pretty 67 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,440 soon. I've got my quote UN quote goal 68 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:45,680 of hitting three KIO, but last week I just could not bring 69 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:51,080 myself to do any mythic plus just like cards on the table. 70 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,960 I recently got let go from my job, so I've been spending more 71 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,720 time on the IRL and such and haven't been on the discord and 72 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,440 and that and then that also helped contribute to missing 73 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,200 last week. I do appreciate everybody who 74 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,520 reached out and was like, Hey, what happened to that episode of 75 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,360 For Azov, including you 2 who were like, hey, what happened to 76 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,960 that episode of For Azov? So I do apologize to everybody, 77 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:20,120 but I also want to thank all of our patrons and all of our fans 78 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,120 because like, like the support is always great. 79 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,440 I got a new mic because my mic broke down and Sean for the 80 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,200 millionth time said, dude, that's what the patrons for. 81 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,600 And I'm just like, yeah, OK, this is this is the breaking 82 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,040 point here. So thank you everybody. 83 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,520 But let's get into the meat of the news because today Ian 84 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:44,320 Hasekosis sat down with two people from the Pod C podcast. 85 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,240 That is of course Dratnos and Limit Max. 86 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,360 And they talked about not only a couple of features that are 87 00:04:53,360 --> 00:05:00,840 coming in 11 point 1.7, which is the legacy of Aerithor, but also 88 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:05,240 the future of add-ons in general and a new philosophy shift that 89 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:11,040 is coming with add-ons. So I guess we should talk about 90 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,480 the add-ons coming first 'cause that's a small sort of thing and 91 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,160 that kind of sets as an example for what's coming next, though, 92 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,600 Lex, you had a pretty strong reaction to that. 93 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:25,760 I was, I was having a very bad day today, but I think that I 94 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,000 can speak hopefully to the doomer community because I spent 95 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,680 this afternoon doomering hard, like texting Manny and Sean. 96 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,400 Like, I don't know if I'm going to keep playing at 11 point 1.7. 97 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,400 I think this game is not going to want to what I want to play 98 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,080 anymore. I think everything is ruined. 99 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:42,760 I don't know what to do. This is terrible. 100 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,560 This is awful. And then I watched the video 101 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,920 again and I talked to my Guild and I took a little walk with my 102 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,720 puppy and I went, oh, actually this is fine and we're all fine. 103 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,560 Everything's going to be fine. So basically what is coming at 104 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,480 11 point 1.7 is if you know the add on. 105 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,440 Hi Keely, it's very similar to that. 106 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,760 So it's going to be allegedly if I haven't PTR Ed this. 107 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,360 I don't know if either of you have PTR Ed this yet. 108 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,960 The PTR it's not up at the time of this recording. 109 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,880 It might be up by the time this episode's out. 110 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,720 So good for you to cover that off Love that. 111 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,640 So nobody's PTR D it, but the point is it's basically going to 112 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,720 recommend the next spell in your rotation, like the next best 113 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,360 step in your rotation for you. There's also going to be a 114 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,800 single button mode basically, and that is going to have, it's 115 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:34,120 basically going to have a, a, a GCD punishment if you use that. 116 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,600 So right now I don't know if that's what they're going to 117 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,040 stick with, but right now it's .2 seconds long, like more GCD. 118 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:45,680 Because the point of that is not to replace play, like playing 119 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:50,360 the game manually. It's mostly I meant as 120 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,680 accessibility, right? If for whatever reason people 121 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,360 can't or don't want to do more than just press 1 button that's 122 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,640 made for them. But they they even said 123 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,720 explicitly they do not want this to be the type of mode where 124 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,880 your raid leader is like, you know, just turn on single button 125 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,000 mode. That's, that's the opposite of 126 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,360 what they're looking for. So when I first heard this, I 127 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,320 freaked out and I was very convinced that this was going to 128 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,920 make it so the game was going to become significantly more like 129 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:24,600 just press ABCDEFG in order forever the way it's supposed to 130 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,120 be, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 131 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,400 Which is not how I like, which is how some people like to play. 132 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,760 And what they want to do is plug and play and they want to just 133 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,360 go and know exactly what to do. And the point is just execute 134 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,840 the commands in the order that they're supposed to be executed 135 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,280 in as quickly as possible. First of all, I should say Ian 136 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,280 very explicitly said that's not what they want to do. 137 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:43,640 What they want to do is they want to make this more 138 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,840 accessible for people learning while still giving a lot of 139 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,440 opportunities for people to be able to play on their own and 140 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,240 expand how how they're going. And this also isn't going to be 141 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,920 like significantly more to my from what they were saying. 142 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,400 It's not going to be more advanced than Hakeeli is right 143 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,040 now, which for those of you who play with Hakeeli, I mean I I 144 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,360 tried it and I got rid of it, which is another reason I was 145 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,640 feeling like this is terrible because I felt like it was going 146 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,120 to be kind of forced on me. Hi, Keeley gives you the basic 147 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,400 rotation, but it's not going to take into account nuance right, 148 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,080 So it's not going to take into account oh, we hero at this 149 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,760 point of the boss. So that's what I want to save 150 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,280 cooldowns. It's not going to take into 151 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,080 account, you know, like I I think it will be looking at how 152 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,040 many ads are around you, but it's not going to take into 153 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,760 account like, oh, I'm supposed to focus this I'm supposed to go 154 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,760 over here. I have this like it's very wrote 155 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,720 and just like button, button, button. 156 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:35,720 So there's still going to be a lot of room for you to learn on 157 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,720 your own. This is more so so you can plug 158 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:42,200 in and just go for it. Yeah, very much so. 159 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:48,120 And I love the .2 second additional to the GCD. 160 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,520 It seems very small and it's not going to matter to the people 161 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,240 that it's intended not to matter to. 162 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,400 If you're learning and you're not that that sure that .2 163 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,440 second delay is probably way shorter than it would take you 164 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,000 to be like, OK, what am I supposed to press next or 165 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,120 analyze the situation for people who know the rotation down pat 166 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:10,920 for the people who are like pushing like being like I'm 167 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:17,040 going to do my rotation so good. That point to is a genuine DPS 168 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,360 loss. So. 169 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,080 Sorry, I want to pause. Maybe maybe I'm not right and 170 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,760 you are not misunderstanding. But just to be really clear, the 171 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,120 point to GCD punishment is only for single button mode. 172 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,840 So there is a mode that's coming in where literally you will 173 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,840 press 1 button in order and and won't have to do or like do 174 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,880 anything beyond that. But sorry, maybe that was what 175 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:37,840 you were talking about. OK, sorry. 176 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,240 Yeah, that's sorry. I apologize because you were 177 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,720 talking about two things. So I should I should clarify 178 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,200 that it is that it is specifically the one button 179 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:51,280 rotation that people were worried would like would cause 180 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,000 them to be forced to use this because there is something to be 181 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,920 said about something that is more baseline in the game. 182 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,600 Even if it is opt in instead of opt out, there is a there is a 183 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:07,840 lot more of a assumed you should at least use this versus 184 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,520 something something else that's outside the game. 185 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,120 But that like I said, the people who are going to be like, oh, 186 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,000 you need to do it for your DPS increase. 187 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,120 The fact that actually, if you learn it yourself, you should 188 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,800 be, should be better on just the basic, let's say dummy rotation 189 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,080 is one thing. Just like you were talking about 190 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,560 earlier. The fact that it, it's context 191 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:37,200 sensitivity isn't phenomenal. Like it doesn't know when the 192 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,560 ads are about to spawn and maybe you should hold that that cool 193 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:44,080 down to line up with the ads that are about to come in. 194 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:50,560 It doesn't doesn't know that hey, the the boss is about to 195 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:53,840 switch over from like phase one to phase two and whatever that 196 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,040 entails. So there's a lot of that kind of 197 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,280 context that this add on should like the way they explained it 198 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,000 should not be smart enough to do that. 199 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,320 And if you are basing it on the hit Kelly add on the Kelly 200 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,080 doesn't do that. It doesn't integrate itself with 201 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,560 time is as far as I know when I played with it back in the day. 202 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,000 So there's there's a lot to be said about like it as a learning 203 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,920 tool and an accessibility tool, but not something that's going 204 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,000 to take over all the guilds and everybody's going to be like, 205 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,720 Sean, what are you doing? Actually having five buttons 206 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,280 there. You need one button and press 207 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,080 that. I genuinely don't think that, 208 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,400 Sean, from your look at this, do you think forward like the one 209 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,480 button thing? Do you think this is ever going 210 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,600 to be a point of discussion for your Guild? 211 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,760 Not my mythic Guild, but 100%. I think there are at least 1/4 212 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,640 of my AOTC Guild that would benefit greatly from using the 213 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,080 one button mode, if not more. I'm going to be honest, if 214 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,160 you're not orange parsing, if you're a normal Raider or an or 215 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,960 heroic only Raider and you're not orange parsing, you're 216 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,120 probably going to benefit from this button, this one button 217 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,800 mode, because it never messes up your rotation and it opens you 218 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,920 up to do mechanics better because you don't have to think 219 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,080 about what buttons you're pressing. 220 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,680 You can focus on not dying. So if you're alive, you're doing 221 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:12,520 better. You're making me hate this 222 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:14,680 again. I was so fine and I'm completely 223 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:17,920 like, if you guys are right and this is actually going to be a 224 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,640 benefit to like like this is going to be more powerful than 225 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,400 just playing on your own. I'm kind of back to this sucks 226 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,400 like I I did. I I think I will say I think the 227 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,680 Blizzard is good. Like if that is true, I think 228 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:32,200 Blizzard will nerf it because I did. 229 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,240 That was not what Ian said said this was supposed to be. 230 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,400 This is not supposed to be a thing that's better for the 231 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,080 average player. This is supposed to be an 232 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,520 accessibility tool. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my 233 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,280 my understanding is that like the point of the single button 234 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,880 mode is that it's only for like really extreme examples. 235 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,160 But the average player is blue and purple. 236 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,200 Parsing that is the average player. 237 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,360 Poor players are green and Gray. Average players are blue and 238 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,040 purple. Exceptional are orange, pink and 239 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,480 gold. So if you're not in that band, 240 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,800 if you're a green parser, you're below average. 241 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,200 So you will gain benefit from it almost guaranteed. 242 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,040 I, I I I I would never tell anybody. 243 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,400 Hey, you have to turn this on. So but but for Full disclosure, 244 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:18,080 I use when IDPSI use Achille with old Achille I will green 245 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,960 parse at best in any situation, no matter what boss it is, no 246 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,360 matter where it is. As soon as I turn it on, I go to 247 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:31,240 purple right away and I use it. The way I use it is I like I 248 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,080 know the fight. I know when a sudden if it tells 249 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,880 me to use a cool down, when I know I should hold the cool 250 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,120 down, I just hold the cool down. And and because you can set it 251 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,160 to show you 3 the next three steps. 252 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,560 So just hold the cool down, do the step after it until you're 253 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:45,080 holding cool downs or do your your you know, your your 254 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,160 rotation, your your normal non cool down rotation in that 255 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:49,600 interim. And this is actually where I 256 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,960 think the one button micro is going to be strongest and why I 257 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,840 am most excited about it in those moments when it's high 258 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,160 pressure, high mechanic and you're really focused on just 259 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,400 being alive and dodging minds on mugsy or you're trying to get 260 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,400 something done that you you had. You can't mess it up and and 261 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,520 your rotation falls off. And this happens to anybody 262 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,000 who's not a world first Raider. You drop your rotation. 263 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,680 If you're not getting 100% off time on a boss, your rotation 264 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:14,960 suffers for you hit the wrong button, you have dead. 265 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,480 And this is what I also don't think the GCD penalty is going 266 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,120 to be a punishment at all because if I go and look at logs 267 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,320 for anybody who's in that range of blue and lower, there's so 268 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,640 many ways the GCDS. So who cares if you're only 269 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:28,960 having a point to take a penalty? 270 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,760 It's better than the 18. You didn't do it all anyway, if 271 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,800 you're able to go from using the one button macro to mixing in 272 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,040 your own rotation. So I, I'll send a cool down when 273 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,760 I know I should use a cool down or I will pull out of the rope, 274 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,880 pull out of it when and do my rotation normally when I, I need 275 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,000 to and then go back into it when I'm not like in a, in a high 276 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,280 stress moment, high movement moment. 277 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,720 I use the use the one button macro when I'm out of that 278 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,400 moment and it's just regular, you know, you gotta breathe 279 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,320 through a second. I switch back into doing it 280 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,160 myself. I, I don't see I'm, I'm, I'm 281 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,520 gonna use it, I'm gonna try it. I'm gonna see how it goes. 282 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:10,000 I, I suspect it makes me a better DPS and, and the reason I 283 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,320 know because I had this discussion with my EU Guild and, 284 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,440 and a lot of them have said, listen, if this game boils down 285 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,720 to 1 button, that's not fun for me, I'm not going to play it. 286 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,520 You don't have to, but I don't want to be a burden on my team. 287 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,000 It bothers me to know that I could be doing something that 288 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,960 makes my team better and I'm, I'm actively choosing to not do 289 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,280 that and it's making the team worse. 290 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,320 I can't function that way but. But that's the reason that I 291 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,640 don't want this to be powerful. Right, but it's an accessibility 292 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,440 feature. If they don't make it fun, if 293 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,360 they don't make it at least on par, then they're basically 294 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,360 telling everybody who does need it for accessibility. 295 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,240 You don't get to RAID. You don't matter. 296 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:49,440 No, no, no, no. Sorry. 297 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,400 Let me, let me. OK, I need to interject here, 298 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:58,920 right? If it is so proficient that the 299 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,720 majority of players benefit from using it instead of doing the 300 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:08,200 rotation on the by themselves, it will become de facto not 301 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,720 mandatory. It's not that you have to use 302 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,160 it, you can play comparably well, but if it takes you from a 303 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,840 blue parse to a purple parse or a purple parse to an orange 304 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,200 parse. I don't. 305 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,000 I don't think it'll get you to orange, but I it'll definitely, 306 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,000 it'll definitely get you to at least blue, I guarantee. 307 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,800 But I'm just saying like if it bumps you up a grade level from 308 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,120 what people are are running with on like Warcraft logs or 309 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,800 whatever rating system that that happens to be king at the time, 310 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,920 right? The mindset of the player base 311 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,480 will be that it is mandatory. And that is very much against 312 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,920 what Ian was trying trying to do, right? 313 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,600 If it is a something that is installed in the game 314 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:56,040 out-of-the-box and it improves your improves your performance, 315 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,880 even if it keeps you within blue, but it takes you from like 316 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,120 low blue to high blue or takes you from like high blue into 317 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,119 purple, right? So many people will say, well, I 318 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,200 have to use I have no choice. Why am I even bothering using 319 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,640 using my brain right. And the entirety of the 320 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:20,040 second-half of the the conversation was about mandatory 321 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,560 add-ons. And I don't think Blizzard wants 322 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:26,319 to create mandatory add-ons. So if it at .2 it doesn't 323 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:29,000 matter. As you say, Lex is right. 324 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,960 They will make it a two second GCD. 325 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,400 They will make it and it's not good unless then they would. 326 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,240 I think they would write is that it's not. 327 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,880 Supposed to be like like like it's it's only supposed to be 328 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,720 usable. Like OK, I'm going to be super 329 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,960 honest, like not to go back into doomerism. 330 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,280 If it is the type of thing where like I as I'm going to be 331 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,760 honest, I'm a green part parsing player. 332 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,240 If I don't use it, I feel like a burden. 333 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,680 I'm probably going to quit, right? 334 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,760 Like that will make this game not fun enough that I'm probably 335 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,960 going to walk or go back to healing, I guess because you 336 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,240 know, you can't do that with healing. 337 00:17:58,560 --> 00:17:59,800 That was. What other people said they 338 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,680 would just swap to healer full time, Yeah. 339 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,240 It's like, and I think that's true because like as much as 340 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,160 Sean, you want to say, yeah, I'm going to use it because I don't 341 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,720 want to feel like a burden to my team. 342 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,720 That's a lot of people down the spectrum of gaming. 343 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,760 And while your reaction will be I'm going to turn it on because 344 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,720 I don't want to be a burden, another person will reaction 345 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,360 will be I have to turn it on because I don't want to be a 346 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:24,600 burden. And now I don't feel like I'm 347 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,480 playing. So I'm just not going to play, 348 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:32,000 and that's incredibly damaging. I I agree with everything you're 349 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,840 both saying. I don't see a world where this 350 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:39,120 doesn't make players who aren't exceptionally skilled better. 351 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,520 I don't see it because you're making it an accessibility, a 352 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,200 feature for accessibility. There are people who genuinely 353 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,520 need this to play. They have pain issues, they have 354 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,360 physical disabilities. They can't play otherwise. 355 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,400 And if you make it not even if if you make it so all they do is 356 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,200 Gray parse, why have it at all? They're going to just feel 357 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,080 horrible, you know what I mean? You can play the raid, but 358 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:00,280 you're going to, you're going to suck. 359 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,240 I, I don't think Blizzard's going to do that. 360 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,040 I don't think Blizzard's going to do that and I don't. 361 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,320 I wouldn't want them. To I think they can and I think 362 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,080 that like people are conflating accessibility with a lot of 363 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,400 things. I think that the accessibility 364 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,800 that they're talking about with this one button rotation and 365 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:23,560 with the Kelly, what comes next is the ability to learn to get a 366 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,520 understanding of your rotation without having to go to Icy 367 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,440 Veins and read up on it and then practice without having to go 368 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,480 out outside of the game. So you can go through and be 369 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,800 like, oh, OK, that's what my rotation is. 370 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:40,800 And I can now try and mimic that myself and get it and get an 371 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,160 understanding. And I think that's the 372 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,080 accessibility that we're more focused that Blizzard is more 373 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,600 focused on because if they start going like, hey, before you were 374 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,760 Gray parsing, but now with this one button thing, you can purple 375 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,480 parse. Anybody who isn't purple parsing 376 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:59,960 or better is doing themselves a disservice by not turning this 377 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:02,280 on. And that's incredibly dangerous 378 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,760 territory for an any add on Blizzard made or not. 379 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,600 Yeah, I don't know. So I do think it's those are the 380 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,800 the two different conversations. The rotational helper 100% is a 381 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,160 great tool to learn a rotation for a class. 382 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,080 We shouldn't need 3 page guides and 30 minute videos to learn 383 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,400 how to play a new class. The rotation helper is is 384 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,320 excellent for that. It's it's why Achillea is 385 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,480 excellent. I think it's going to be 386 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,520 excellent when Blizzard designs it because they know the API 387 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,200 inside a note so they're going to do it right. 388 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,880 I also think we would benefit from simplifying the complexity 389 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,240 in some of these classes. So you don't need a program to 390 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,520 tell you, OK, you can cast execute now because because you 391 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,320 have two procs of sudden death and you have two stacks of this, 392 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,520 but you only have one stack of this. 393 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,880 So don't execute yet. Like we shouldn't have to 394 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,560 compute that. So I think those are two, two 395 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,920 separate arguments that I don't think the one button helper, I 396 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,400 don't think the one button macro helps anybody learn a rotation. 397 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:50,800 You're not going to learn anything because you're just 398 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,520 going to be hitting A1 button. I do think it's important for 399 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,680 for people who who can't like physically can't play the game 400 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,520 for for whatever reason, whatever their their disability 401 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,800 is. And I don't think it's, I don't 402 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,600 think Blizzard wants to be in a situation where they tell them 403 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,920 we're going to give you this function so that you can play 404 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,880 the game and but you're just going to be really bad at it. 405 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,920 I actually think you're wrong. The quote from Ann is sorry, 406 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,280 maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sorry. That was very impressive. 407 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,480 But the the the quote from Ann is quote that it's there for 408 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,960 people who maybe honestly aren't interested in the gameplay of 409 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,360 mastering their spec. They want to explore Azoroth and 410 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:27,760 experience the story and mechanics get in the way of that 411 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,440 sometimes. This should be for them. 412 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,440 They're like, they're here. This is for people who want to 413 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,280 experience the story and explore as Roth makes me think that 414 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,240 they're thinking of this as primarily for open world 415 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,840 players. This is to get people who 416 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,040 otherwise could not play World of Warcraft at all playing World 417 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,480 of Warcraft. This is not to get people who 418 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,000 otherwise would be playing World of Warcraft into rating. 419 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,520 I could be. I really hope I'm not wrong. 420 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,480 Like I, I, I don't mean that badly because I like, I feel, I 421 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,400 feel like on the one hand, like, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's like 422 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:03,280 accessibility, but also like the the game can't be the it's it's 423 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,600 equally like like the a world first Raider could play it by 424 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,480 pressing 1 button, right? That's not a reasonable 425 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,360 accommodation. I don't. 426 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:13,080 Think and I, I don't think they will, I like it. 427 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,040 The, the GC difference would matter to the, to the players at 428 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,320 that level and there like there are rotational things that they 429 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,720 would do slightly differently, but I, I can't see them 430 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,160 designing it and not having it follow your ideal rotation. 431 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,040 They're not going to make it. But I think they're going to, I 432 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,120 think they're going to punish I, I think that if it does turn out 433 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:31,440 to the point to GCD cooldown isn't punished, I, I, I think 434 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,040 they're going to punish you with like GCDS and, and, and I, I 435 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,400 also, I also, honestly, I'm not there's. 436 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,640 Also people on my rate team that would still benefit from it. 437 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,200 I, I, we had people 7 seconds don't hit a button, 7 seconds 438 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,320 they haven't had casting ability. 439 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,000 Sorry, we're doing, we're doing a lot to get our opinions out. 440 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,600 And so like I, I do want to sort of reintroduce some structure 441 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,800 into this. Yeah. 442 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,240 And so Sean, I believe that if everybody could use this as a 443 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,400 helping tool, it would be great. I think that that would be 444 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:12,400 fantastic to to like get people into learning new specs and new 445 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,120 hero talents and new classes and that work. 446 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,640 And that to me is increasing accessibility. 447 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,200 I think it means that when people are going around and 448 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,080 doing story content and such into like, man, I really wanted 449 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:28,960 to do the undead heritage armor or the Sylvanas loyalty thing or 450 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,680 the hunter lodge, whatever, that they could just jump onto it, do 451 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,000 this one button and focus on what they really want to focus 452 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,840 on. Which is like, oh, I unlocked 453 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,440 this cool trans mog and oh, I unlocked this cool trans mog and 454 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,120 oh I, I got to experience this story. 455 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,880 That to me is like opening up a world of accessibility and help 456 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,480 helping out people. And that's where I see the 457 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,600 single button thing being in there. 458 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,120 If they are going into follower dungeons where the mechanics 459 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,320 aren't going to be as punishing and therefore you could be 460 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,440 following this one button thing and sort of being like, OK, I'm 461 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,840 going to like mouse click and move, move around because you've 462 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,560 got the you can Click to a position point. 463 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,800 Now that I think is part of it, where like the cognitive load 464 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,840 might be something that was holding them back. 465 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,120 And so removing that from the rotation let's them focus on 466 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:27,280 other parts. But in terms of rating at a 467 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:33,120 organized level, which I'm going to put at normal, right, because 468 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:39,040 rating at normal is an organized level going into mythic zeros is 469 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,120 organized level. So I'm not even talking about 470 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,160 mythic rating or high level mythic plus, I'm talking about 471 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:52,560 just strict organized level. I think at that point this the 472 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:59,120 use of the one button should be an impediment to the level that 473 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:02,640 you should be playing, right? And I think that that's where I 474 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,960 would want to see this aimed at in terms of it's, it's 475 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,560 helpfulness. I can go through through heroic 476 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,160 because I can cue into that. I can go into LFR and it'll give 477 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,720 me enough. And who cares if I am green or 478 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,600 Gray parsing in an LFR I like, I'm never going to see these 479 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,480 people again. But once you go into the 480 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:29,200 organized level, that's where I see the Hikelly analog starting 481 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,200 to take over, where it's like, I'm going to tell you what's 482 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,680 next. I'm going to say, hey, this is 483 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,880 when you should switch over to your AOE, because now the next 484 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,160 suggested thing is this. But you now need to input these 485 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,040 buttons yourself. Now there is a portion of the 486 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,040 player base that is in a bad area. 487 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,600 When I put those goals at those people who have limitations, 488 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,520 right? Where this one button thing is 489 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:58,560 genuinely helping them do stuff. But now I've put this this 490 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,240 arbitrary wall because I've I've made this decision that beyond 491 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,400 here, it's not going to get you the performance as somebody who 492 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:13,280 is able bodied and able to do this thing, these sort of inputs 493 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:19,960 manually, right? And I have to live with that as 494 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,520 somebody who's making that, making the call on this podcast. 495 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,080 And the designers have to live with that as somebody who's 496 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,400 making the call for the entirety of the game. 497 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,640 But in all cases, where the line is drawn is arbitrary. 498 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,640 And I think that in all cases, there will be parts of the 499 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,320 player base that are going to be negatively impacted. 500 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:47,040 And so I would like for you, Sean, and then I'm going to pass 501 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,480 over to you, Lex, to sort of say like where you would want these 502 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:56,040 two to come in and then where you feel like the impact is 503 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,560 going to be. So let me pass it over to you 504 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,640 first, Sean. I, I would, I mean the path that 505 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,640 you just described sounds great. I, I don't think that's going to 506 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,560 happen, but the path you describe sounds great. 507 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,360 I do think the rotational helper should be used by anybody 508 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:13,840 learning a new class or anybody even on their own class. 509 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,080 Like I have a friend who also uses Achille. 510 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,680 He's a Hall of Fame Raider. He uses Achille and he keeps it 511 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,520 in the corner for if he loses where he's at in his rotation or 512 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,960 if something is really crazy, he can refer back to it. 513 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,280 And then he, he goes, you know, back knows his rotation. 514 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,320 Otherwise, outside of that, just use it as like a reminder. 515 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,320 Those tools are great for that. There's also a huge portion of 516 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,920 the, of the, of the, of the player base said when you say 517 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,680 Achille, they, they think, oh, you're terrible. 518 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,600 Oh, you use Achille. Oh, you're bad, you're bad at 519 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,840 the game. Like, well, this guy's a Hall of 520 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,560 Fame Raider and his parcels are all better than yours and he 521 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,600 blows you away. And I think plus. 522 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:51,200 So maybe don't be so judgmental. Yeah, I don't know. 523 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,640 I just I hope you're right. I hope it's not something that 524 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,320 where the vast majority of people that are doing normal and 525 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:03,240 heroic grades and that's where they cap won't benefit from 526 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,480 using it. I just don't see a world where 527 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,960 that happens. I also suspect that the new 528 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,800 common insult in pugs when your damage is low is maybe you 529 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,120 should switch to 1 button. Yeah, guaranteed, guaranteed. 530 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,400 Yeah, I don't, I mean, I don't want Lex to quit the game And, 531 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,720 and I, and like I said, I don't for me, I would try it out and 532 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,640 see how it works. And because I don't want to feel 533 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,160 like a burden on my team. Nobody on my team would ever 534 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,520 make me feel like a burden, you know what I mean? 535 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,040 I, I and everybody all know I'm a, I'm a tank anyway. 536 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,520 I, I, I don't need any of that stuff for tanking, but yeah, 537 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,480 like it's, that's entirely a thing on me. 538 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,280 But there are a lot of people out there who are like, you 539 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,520 know, genuinely at risk of being cut from teams if they don't 540 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,680 outperform other players. And I don't know, I just, if you 541 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,400 can focus on mechanics and there are other teams that are like, 542 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,400 hey, we, we choose our roster based on who does the best on 543 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,400 mechanics. Like, well, my damage is middle, 544 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,680 but I survived every mechanic because I, I didn't have to 545 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,600 think about anything else. You know, it I the penalty on it 546 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,520 would have to be so huge for it not to be a benefit to I think a 547 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,560 lot of players. I think, yeah, I don't know. 548 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,920 I don't know, Lex, you played an agency only Guild and I know you 549 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,120 said you were talking to Guild about it. 550 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,120 They like they what's their stance like? 551 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,320 Is it like hey use it if you want, Don't use it if you don't 552 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,680 want? Yes, our and this is what I 553 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,240 taught. My dog is really, really needy 554 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,480 today, so she's breaking my mic. Forgive me the. 555 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,840 Viewers at home Lex is leaned over at a 90° angle into her 556 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,520 mind she's. Getting a really good look at 557 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520 her Warcraft Collector's Edition headset right now. 558 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,840 It still looks wonderful all these months later. 559 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,320 This is this is better than the time that she, my 40 LB dog, 560 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,280 decided that she really needed a hug and climbed bodily into my 561 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,080 lap. That was 5 minutes ago. 562 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,440 Yeah, that was 5 minutes ago exactly. 563 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,480 She's having a rough night, but shit, it's about to happen 564 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,080 again. So I so first of all, I, when I 565 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,760 talked to my officer team, what they said basically is our 566 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,040 philosophy has not changed just because the add on became within 567 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,440 the game. And our philosophy has always 568 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,920 been, we will never require add-ons ever. 569 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,080 We have, we have players who don't use weak auras and that 570 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,280 means that if there's add on, like if there's a boss that like 571 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,880 a weak aura would basically clean it up. 572 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:31,720 We figure out a different way. We some of our, our folks use 573 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,520 Hakeeli. We we certainly don't require it 574 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,480 even like even for people, people like me who are parsing 575 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,320 like grey and green in most of our fights, we will never be 576 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,600 like, Hey, you got like we'll coach. 577 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,200 And if you're basically, if your DPS stays consistently below the 578 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,680 tanks, we might have conversations about like sitting 579 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,000 or cutting you. We overwhelmingly our priority 580 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,880 is that we have a good time together and that's and and that 581 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,000 works for us. We have some really, really 582 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,840 talented players who have even like left and come back because 583 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,320 they were like, you know what, I tried higher level rating and I 584 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,880 would rather hang out with the Tavern. 585 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,000 We've also had higher level of people who left for higher level 586 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,200 play rating and are doing amazing and we love them and we 587 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,840 support them. Right, There's multiple ways. 588 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,840 But anyway, so yes, my Guild has within. 589 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,480 I mean, this is within the officer chaps. 590 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,080 This hasn't gone to the community as a whole, but we 591 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,960 have the, the, the officers are all, to my knowledge, on the 592 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:37,160 same page that none of us would require anyone to take anything. 593 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,600 And I, I guess that's also the other thing. 594 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,720 If you're like me and you're like, Oh my God, the idea of 595 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,520 playing a single button mode makes me want to delete every 596 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,000 single account I've ever had and start playing Final Fantasy. 597 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,320 Talk to your team. Ideally, they're on the same 598 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,360 page as you. If they're not on the same page 599 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,760 as you look at others, right, Find other teams because I get 600 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,160 it. I also really do not like I one 601 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,880 of my, my overwhelming frustrations with World of 602 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,160 Warcraft is that it does feel like it is becoming 603 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,200 significantly more rote, right? My dad used to be a, a Raider in 604 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,520 like Wrath, like, and like at a pretty high level, like at the 605 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,480 point where you have to like apply and go through everything 606 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,320 and you might, you're getting fat half the nights and 607 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,600 everything and you have to like prove yourself to go in. 608 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,200 And, and he, so he was telling me all the stories of like his 609 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,400 old rating team members who like had their like spreadsheets and 610 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,840 they would be like, Hey, actually, I noticed an 611 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,880 irritation. You did this, but like, 612 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,880 actually, if you did this file and this file, it would be 613 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,000 significantly better. And dah, dah, dah. 614 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,560 And I kind of, I, I know that that's never going to come back 615 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,520 because at this point, the like the, the spreadsheet is the icy 616 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,040 veins and it's already done for us. 617 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,720 But, and maybe that's not true. Maybe at like a higher level 618 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,000 people are, you know, doing a little bit more like hyper 619 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,640 needle comparison. But like, yeah, it does kind of 620 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,080 make me sad that everything is is told to me. 621 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,040 Like honestly, if somebody was like, hey, I have a Guild that's 622 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,840 super friendly and cool and we are all like, if like sign an 623 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:10,360 oath that you will never watch a boss video and you will never 624 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,520 read Icy Veins and everything you have to either figure out by 625 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,240 playing or by talking to other guildies. 626 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,680 I don't think I leave my Guild 'cause I love my Guild, but I 627 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,760 think about it 'cause that sounds really fun for me. 628 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,600 But anyway, that whole long ramble was to say I'm, I, I, I'm 629 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,600 basically at the same point Manny's at. 630 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,880 I think that this is something that I want to make it so that 631 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,440 people can play the game if they otherwise would not have the 632 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:40,040 ability to play the game and raid to a degree, but I don't 633 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,360 want this to ever. I, I, I think that it would be 634 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,840 really destructive for the game if the like like 50% of players 635 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,240 would just immediately do better if they switched to this mode. 636 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,440 I think that would be devastating for the gameplay as 637 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,520 a whole. Can't wait to find out guys. 638 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,720 I can't. I'm so excited to try this out 639 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,680 on the PTR. I definitely want to see this on 640 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,480 the PTR and it is a question about like how much do they go 641 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,760 for accessibility and empowering players that might otherwise 642 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,000 face barriers versus like how much they want to make this sort 643 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,239 of enforced part of the UI, right? 644 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,840 And like it can be as simple as whether when you get on day one 645 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,560 of 11 point 1.7, whether it's automatically on or if it's opt 646 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,120 in like they had with the new cooldown manager. 647 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,560 And so it seems like with these new add-ons, because looking 648 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,760 back at it, I think this has been a challenge that they've 649 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,480 been looking at for a while. So the cooldown manager was a 650 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,840 very weak start to this and now they've said, OK, we're ramping 651 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,880 up. And that was the second part of 652 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,320 this conversation because it's not just the fact that we're 653 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,560 getting this cooldown manager. It's not that we're getting a 654 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,760 Kelly sort of tell me when kind of thing. 655 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,840 It's not that we're going to have just the one button, but 656 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,640 they're looking deeper at things like removing real time raid 657 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,960 events so that add-ons like DBM won't work anymore and then 658 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,920 putting in their own integrated raid timers so that you have 659 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,920 that. They're looking at shutting down 660 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,120 basically weak cores. We kept saying weak cores, weak 661 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,680 cores. The king of add-ons is something 662 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,040 that days might be numbered. And so there's a long 663 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,120 conversation about this and I really implore everyone, do what 664 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,160 Lex did. Watch the video multiple times 665 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,720 make sure you're not just going off of what some angry 666 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,680 disenfranchised person who jumps into your discord and starts 667 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,000 saying they've they're going to ruin Wow starts doing because 668 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000 there's there is a lot in the video. 669 00:35:53,000 --> 00:36:00,640 So with the what I considered a change in philosophy, it looks 670 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,600 like they're going to be pulling in a lot of the add-ons that 671 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,840 people feel are mandatory that you have that you have to get in 672 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,240 order to function at a certain level and they're going to be 673 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,520 bringing that into the core game. 674 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,480 So I got a question for you guys. 675 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,640 Outside of DBM and we cores, what do you think are the 676 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,600 add-ons that like jumped your mind of saying like, OK, that's 677 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,400 on the hit list, go ahead blacks. 678 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,560 I bet they're gonna put in location like a coordinates 679 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,680 tracker, which I think you have to add on and either I'm really 680 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,680 stupid and it's somewhere in the game or you have to use it in an 681 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,680 add on. First of all, I think it's 682 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,600 that's one thing that I think it's ridiculous is not in the 683 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,280 core game as it stands. But I I think that's like, I 684 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,520 think Tomcat is one of the first things that'll I don't even have 685 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,960 it downloaded. And I know that most people have 686 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,320 Tomcat downloaded. Yeah, TomTom and and all of 687 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,440 those. Yeah, that, that's very good. 688 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,280 Good one. Yeah, I could easily see that 689 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,160 they got the pins. All they just need to do is just 690 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,840 like actually unlock the game coordinates and so you can share 691 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:00,680 it. I think that's a big one. 692 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,280 What about you, Sean? So bigwigs DBM, those are huge. 693 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,720 I'd love to have actual Blizzard timers for these bosses because 694 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,520 that would be amazing and would reduce the need for a lot of 695 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,000 updates early on, especially the bigwigs for teams that are 696 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,000 rating like really early in the tier. 697 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,560 Details. I want to see a Blizzard in game 698 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,600 details that gives, you know, breakdowns on damage, healing, 699 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,240 damage taken, interrupts, dispels. 700 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,800 I want all the same tracking we get from details because that 701 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,840 stuff's important. It's you know, it's good to know 702 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,800 all that information. You don't need to just see who 703 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,720 did the most damage. We know it'll be the people with 704 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:34,040 the one button, so it's not a big deal. 705 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,080 Sorry, Lex. No, it's fine. 706 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,640 I just, I just want everybody to know that Sean had put a full 707 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,840 disclaimer out before this episode that he and Lex were not 708 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,600 going to be friends anymore after this episode. 709 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,480 We. May not be. 710 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,640 We may not be. You don't have to say May 711 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,440 anymore. It's all right. 712 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,720 Keep going though. I don't think they're going to 713 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,400 get rid of We Gore's entirely. I think We Gore has a real big, 714 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,120 really good function. I know they're going to limit 715 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,040 some of the things that it can do, which is good. 716 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:07,040 Ian talked about this makes me nervous, but Ian talked about 717 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,360 adjusting the way they design bosses if they remove the 718 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,480 ability to have computational solutions to boss mechanics. 719 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:20,760 But that's the like it needs to. It needs to be something it has 720 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,560 to have. Like they talked about 721 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,040 disarmament to this arms race against the add on developers. 722 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,200 I would really like to see Blizzard take a tier and just 723 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,800 show us a tier with the philosophy that they have for 724 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,920 how they want to design this stuff with. 725 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,120 Leave wikors up, let us have what we have. 726 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,440 Show us, hey, this is what we envisioned for a tier so that we 727 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,680 can see it and then we can be feel OK, you know what? 728 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:49,320 So you put your guns down, we see you've put your guns down. 729 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:54,080 We are now OK with you taking away our guns type thing as as 730 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:57,720 opposed to the opposite, which is they take our guns away 1st 731 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,240 and then they still have their guns and then they forgot to 732 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,400 unload their guns. Oh, they're shooting Manny. 733 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,560 They're shooting us. So, so Sean, in this scenario, 734 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,520 for a good apples to apples comparison, would you be willing 735 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,120 to play a season 4 where all of the raids get adjusted? 736 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,120 And that's a big perfect way to test it before implementing the 737 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,840 shutdown of the API and all of that into the next expansion. 738 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,200 100%, like 100% I would do that. And don't give us those bullshit 739 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,840 affixes. Just give us the raids adjusted 740 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,600 the way you want to make them. That would be great. 741 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,880 Yeah. Show us what you got. 742 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,760 You put down your arms, we'll put down our we'll gladly give 743 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,200 them away. I just need to see that. 744 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,160 You. I just need to see that they 745 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,040 understand, because they've said they understand in the past and 746 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,880 they very clearly don't. They don't. 747 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,080 Well, and to give to give Blizzard a little bit of Flack. 748 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,320 The other thing I will say is if we've been designing raids and 749 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,080 Mythic Plus and everything for so long. 750 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,640 They will not be able to do a full mindset set shift within 751 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,720 one tier. So I think I, I just to give 752 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,200 them a little grace. I do think 1 tier, like the 753 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,840 first tier that we don't have access to the, the weak ores and 754 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,200 everything that they're thinking and like, and, and they're 755 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,880 pulling it into fully their own UII think it's going to be a 756 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,040 nightmare. I think it's going to be a mess. 757 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,200 I think there's no other way around it. 758 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,400 I think it they're going to have to feel it out and they're going 759 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,080 to have to be like, oh God, we thought this was something that 760 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,400 we could do with our own internal UI, but actually this 761 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,600 one mechanic is too hard. We need to fix this and I, I 762 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,760 think there's going to be a season of tooling and I think 763 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,480 that the first season we're going to be doomering on this 764 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,280 podcast and we're going to be like, this is the worst thing 765 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,320 ever and I'm quitting the game. And then I think they're going 766 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,840 to settle it through. It so so Lex, Lex, in your 767 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,960 scenario, would you prefer them that they under tuned things and 768 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,400 it's just like, OK, I guess we can ratchet it up a little bit 769 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,480 and then in a later season they go, oh, OK, we've we've hit the 770 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,920 wall. All right, we're not going to do 771 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,360 that again. Or would you prefer that they 772 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,960 over tune and bring things down? I see Sean make OK, sorry while 773 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,240 you think about that Sean has been making head suggested so 774 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:09,720 Sean you can give your answer first you. 775 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:13,280 Definitely start easier and then add on afterwards. 776 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,880 You do. If you you lose players the 777 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,440 other direction, if you start easier and build up, players 778 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,360 will stay and and play longer. The the top end players are 779 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,840 going to clear it quickly get bored, go on Twitter and say how 780 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,280 easy it was and it wasn't wasn't any fun, but they're going to do 781 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,680 that anyway. They did it this tier. 782 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,800 They do it every tier. They said the laundry was too 783 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,880 easy was trying to pulse. So don't listen to those people. 784 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,720 Make it easy. Let people get and then Bill, 785 00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:43,040 OK, we did this. It worked. 786 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,560 Everybody survived the no week auras. 787 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,640 Now let's add on. Hey, what can we do next? 788 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,240 All right, let's add, let's, let's let's amp it up and find 789 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,760 that balance. If you come out of the gate too 790 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,000 hard, you're going to people are just going to start look at look 791 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,040 at mythic plus last season, it came out too hard. 792 00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,280 People said, you know what, I don't need to do this. 793 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,920 I'm just going to go Delve. Do that. 794 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,040 Who would quit mythic class after saying they were going to 795 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,200 work really hard on mythic class and then go to Dells instead 796 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,880 because they really didn't actually have to. 797 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,440 Who do that? And and to Alexis point, those 798 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,440 same people, whoever they are, don't return in the next season, 799 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,120 even if it is made easier, it's harder to win people back. 800 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,080 So, yeah, I agree with what you're saying there, Sean. 801 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,040 So the reason that I kind of like mentally checked out there 802 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,960 for a second when you're giving me that option is I started 803 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,200 dreaming of this amazing magical world where they somehow have 804 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,240 enough Dell devs. So what they could do is they 805 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:30,600 could make like a fully separate server that like is just for 806 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,160 like whatever either you know, opt in or players who are 807 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,520 particularly like like super high level players. 808 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,320 So they can be testing this at a higher level and have like 2 809 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,520 simultaneous like, you know, you have the retail World of 810 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,960 Warcraft, but then also which you know what they could do. 811 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,680 No, they would hate this, but wouldn't it be fun if they did 812 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,120 that with Classic? They did, you know, poor Classic 813 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,120 players. They wouldn't get anything. 814 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,600 But they did get a lot more players. 815 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,440 Because I wouldn't want to test it anywhere. 816 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,000 So in my magical world where, Yeah, because the thing about 817 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,320 Classic players is what they really want to do is new stuff. 818 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,560 That's why they're playing Classic, because they want to 819 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,960 play this game like no one's ever played it before. 820 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,640 I don't. Know why people are upset about 821 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,800 1 button? They just we have classic. 822 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,680 They love that that's only three buttons. 823 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,200 Wow. Listen guys, they're at Mop now. 824 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,360 It's evolved way beyond three buttons. 825 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,280 It's at 4 now, friends. Anyway. 826 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,280 So wouldn't it be great if we could, like I, I would love it 827 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,320 if they could be testing this simultaneously and outside of 828 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,720 retail entirely so they can really experiment and play with 829 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,520 people who are expecting they're being experimented on. 830 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,240 But that's not on the table because I'm also the person on 831 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,320 this podcast who every other day says they're working the devs 832 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,920 too hard. So I can't be like, we'll put 833 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,440 give the devs more work. So in that case, given that that 834 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,960 option's off the table, I think, yeah, easier than a tune harder. 835 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,760 OK, beyond the details being actually integrated, I think 836 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,480 that there is something to be said about the API and how that 837 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,200 hooks into those sort of stuff. When you have details that are 838 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,600 that are integrated, what kind of information can you pull out 839 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,080 of that that that you can then give to a website? 840 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:03,160 Like there's so many sites that use the API that the same things 841 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,280 that the add-ons are using in order to get their information, 842 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,320 you're looking at Warcraft logs, you're looking at radar IO, 843 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:10,960 right? You're looking at all these 844 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,840 things that will go and be like, OK, we're going to go analyze 845 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,000 this and say, oh, you could have done better here. 846 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,680 You could have like, this is how many interrupts were done. 847 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,920 This is the timeline of the fight. 848 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,080 And that stuff can be done live right now. 849 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,560 If they shut that stuff down and it's sort of an integrated 1, is 850 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,480 that something that they go, OK, here's a website you can go to 851 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,640 and you can pull off the logs. And then it becomes like a lot 852 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:42,400 more like how we used to do I, I don't know, like theory crafting 853 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,000 where you would have to like download it onto your, your 854 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,080 platform and then run through it and everything. 855 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,600 Like how restrictive do we think it's going to get? 856 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,720 And how restrictive do we want it to be? 857 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,680 Because like, as soon as you allow it to be instantaneous, 858 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,120 instantaneous access, then who cares if you can't see it right 859 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,640 on inside the thing. You just have an overlay or it 860 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,480 on a second screen or something. So they actually dialed that 861 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,040 back like 3 tiers ago. I think it was echo of an 862 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,440 Etherium was the fight that input that that that encouraged 863 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,320 them to dial it back because people were using the actual in 864 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,400 game live Warcraft, the the in game fight log to make overlays 865 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,600 for that fight. And Blizzard said, hey, we don't 866 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,960 want that. And they actually changed it so 867 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,960 you can no longer access an A a fight log until that fight has 868 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,400 ended. So it's all right. 869 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,240 And I can't see them changing it from that. 870 00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:36,920 You definitely want to access to a poll right after the poll ends 871 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,920 to, to analyze it. I don't think that's going to 872 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,480 change. So, and, and it's because you 873 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,280 can't read it mid poll, you can't generate any of those 874 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,800 overlays any more like you were able to. 875 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,840 So I, I think they've already curbed that, that potential 876 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,720 issue and I'm glad they did and I'm, I'm glad where it's at now. 877 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,880 Yeah, I really don't want people being able to do things like 878 00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,840 that. I think that especially given 879 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,880 that there is a bit of a bullying problem in World 4 880 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,360 craft. Sometimes I think that for like 881 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,000 people pugging groups and like LFG not LFG. 882 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,800 What am I thinking of? I lost mythic plus but pugs. 883 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,840 Pugs is the one I'm looking for. I'm having a It's been a long. 884 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,280 Day, any kind of group, group Finder activity, whether it's 885 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,760 like automated or manual, Yeah, I get that. 886 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,920 Yeah, I, I, I would like them to not have an easy time. 887 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,600 I, I would like it to be hard for them to pull up the fight 888 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,440 and be like, oh, you did this thing wrong these five times 889 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:38,080 because I don't want them to have more ammunition. 890 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,880 And for like for the, the good people who are not who just want 891 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,280 the access to the information so they can coach long term because 892 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,080 they're in an established Guild. Just do that after the right or 893 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,720 after the basic plus or after the fight. 894 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,040 Again, yeah, it depends on the level that you're going at and 895 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,600 what's going on. Like even in a Group, A group 896 00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,160 like let's say I was part of the Timbermont Tavern, I could see a 897 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,360 scenario where it's like, OK, we've been doing like 3 or 4 898 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,760 polls. We keep having this issue. 899 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,480 Let's go look at, let's go look at like what what's been going 900 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,440 on there? And like maybe you're looking at 901 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,080 a video and then looking back at, at stuff and you're like, 902 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,440 hey, everybody take your 5 minute break. 903 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,680 Go look at this video. It's something I can easily see 904 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,320 Kirk doing. Yeah, I honestly, I don't want 905 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,080 them to touch Warcraft logs. I want them to leave that 906 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,240 independent. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but 907 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:29,200 like that I, I that sort of thing, I think it's just better 908 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,880 managed like held externally and managed externally versus like 909 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,400 details, which is giving you like, well, I guess if it's 910 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,760 using Blizzard API, then actually they're probably gonna 911 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,720 be pretty identical, right? Like you can. 912 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,760 So maybe I'm making it up, maybe it doesn't matter. 913 00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:49,640 Like the way the information is presented and how you can break 914 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,480 it down is obviously different between details and Warcraft 915 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,360 logs. Like when you are looking 916 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,440 through like your details or whatever damage meters you want 917 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,040 to look at, you can flip over and be like, oh, how many 918 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,160 interrupts were there and who did the did the interrupts. 919 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,480 But in Warcraft logs you can see when they did it. 920 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,760 You can get a full timeline. You can see where people are 921 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,880 moving around the room. You can see when people were 922 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,680 taking damage versus the healing. 923 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,800 There's a lot of breakdown that is different between the two and 924 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,240 but they still pull from the same API and it and so when 925 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:25,560 Sean, you're saying like, hey, the fight needs to be completed 926 00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,520 and then you'll get that, that information. 927 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,000 I think that's really great for Warcraft logs in a term in terms 928 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,040 of a damage meter. Oh, that needs to be instant. 929 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,320 That needs to be happening mid fight. 930 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,320 You need to. Yeah, that's that's what I was 931 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,080 going to say. Like it's not even just like the 932 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,520 damage meter. It might just be like a OK, I 933 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,040 just need to see how many people are interrupting and so I can 934 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,080 say like part way through a fight, Hey, Sean, I've only seen 935 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,120 two interrupts from you. Come on, stay on it. 936 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,400 It's just a coach towards it, like without being a jerk. 937 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,920 So like that's that's the sort of stuff where it's like causing 938 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,240 it to be in game in a closed system where people can't get to 939 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,640 it is will enable that kind of differentiator. 940 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,280 The other thing that is now kind of coming to mind, especially as 941 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,600 we're talking about Warcraft logs, is I know most add-ons are 942 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,400 a labor of love, but I think some people are making money off 943 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,400 of things like Patreons and stuff. 944 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,360 And I didn't even really process that until right now. 945 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:31,520 But like, some people are going to lose livelihoods off this 946 00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:33,680 right? Yeah, not just Patreon. 947 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,560 Curseforge pays add on developers for downloads, so the 948 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,760 biggest ones, DBM bigwigs that are on essentially every single 949 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:47,640 player account could potentially be able to work, yeah. 950 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,160 Or I have to find something new to pivot to? 951 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,120 Yeah. I mean, I guess I don't see this 952 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,120 as a tragedy. I know. 953 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:58,600 Like it's people's livelihood I'm getting. 954 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,160 Yeah, everybody's gonna be. I become like, what's the 955 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,920 opposite of Ebenezer Scrooge? Like the the bum who's also 956 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,200 saying Bah, humbug. That's where I'm at right now 957 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,800 anyways. No, no. 958 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,240 But what I mean is that like it's a reality that as Blizzard 959 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:18,960 has integrated various things and such, add-ons that used to 960 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,440 be quite popular have become obsolete. 961 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,000 The original gear score, a lot of the things that use like 962 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,040 world markers that Blizzard was like, Nope, we're shutting that 963 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,400 down. Like it, it happens 964 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,160 consistently. This is no different other than 965 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,920 Blizzard has given a ton of warning for these people to 966 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,680 pivot. So I feel like they're doing it 967 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,000 in the nicest way possible. And so I don't consider this 968 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,040 like an absolute tragedy. It wasn't like they're saying 969 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,360 like, hey, guys, with the release of 11 point 1.7, all 970 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,480 add-ons are shut down. Good day to you, Sir. 971 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,120 Like it's so like it's just it feels like the best way that 972 00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:01,200 they could have gone about this in a very forward facing way. 973 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,560 They're saying, hey, you're going to notice these add-ons 974 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:08,400 coming in, right? And hey, hey, Kelly, this was a 975 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,000 lot like your ad on Kelly. How many times did they say his 976 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:16,040 name like in that thing? I want to say I hope I would 977 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,480 like to see them keep it open so we can have the option. 978 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,080 Because based on the video that rotational helper looks like it 979 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:28,040 just lights up your action bars. I don't play with action bars on 980 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,440 so that's useless to me. But think about it this way, it 981 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:40,160 can be A modification splinter or or layer of the cooldown 982 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,160 manager, right? Which is basically for me I. 983 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,480 Don't use that garbage either. I don't use the cooldown manager 984 00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,360 either, but like it further as they further improve things. 985 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,800 It'll happen and they're introducing it first and 986 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,400 iterating upon it before they take away the options for 987 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,440 anything else, which is also the best way that they could have 988 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:06,280 gone about this process. But for me, I use Kelly's add 989 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,320 on. I have my bars that are down at 990 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,880 the bottom, which I pretty much never look at. 991 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,760 And then the stuff that I'm actually tracking is right there 992 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,320 near my character so I can I can follow stuff and actually, sorry 993 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,120 Kelly, I don't think I use your thing anymore. 994 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,560 I use a week or so. Mine's closer to the cooldown 995 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,240 manager, just like actually good. 996 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,320 So like, that's what I'm using right now. 997 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,320 And as they make these changes, things will fall off. 998 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,160 I used to love bartender, bartender Addy bags, used to 999 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,800 love them. And then Blizzard added in stuff 1000 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:44,520 and I was like, I want to see. Can I add Bagnon to my requested 1001 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,280 add-ons that they implement? Because their bags are 1002 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,520 atrocious. I would just like it's 1003 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,240 subdivided into categories. That's something that bags. 1004 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,440 It's so good. Whereas it's like Susan went to 1005 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:55,800 my bag. It's like, oh, you're a potion. 1006 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,720 There you go in that column. I'm good. 1007 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,640 Yeah, give me any option between one giant bag with everything 1008 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:06,240 thrown in haphazardly, and then eight small bags with everything 1009 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:11,120 thrown in. You can organize those 8 bags to 1010 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:12,680 like only have particular options. 1011 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,040 Sorry, we're going off top. One thing that might solve both 1012 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,440 our fears of this not actually being as good as the add-ons 1013 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,200 themselves and my fears of people being out of work is 1014 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,960 wouldn't it be great if they just hired the big add on 1015 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,040 writers? Like wouldn't that be so easy? 1016 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,080 Like they already know how to work with the World of Warcraft 1017 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,800 system. They already know what players 1018 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,280 want. They probably Ted like there's 1019 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,800 probably reasons they're like no, we you know, we try to XYZ 1020 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,120 things and we found that it didn't work so fast out that 1021 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:39,720 would. Be great. 1022 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,280 Did you see Kelly's tweet though? 1023 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:42,480 No. What was it it? 1024 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,120 Was just for a while the genie look firstly blizzards have been 1025 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,080 after him for a while looking at like a quote from 2017 who 1026 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,440 cares? But like his entire thing was 1027 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,640 just the genie cuffs coming off being like, I'm free. 1028 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,400 The Kelly is so, so happy to be rid of it. 1029 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,840 It was such like I remember speaking to him when it was like 1030 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,640 gearing up stuff for Dragonflight, right? 1031 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,280 Because they did a lot of changes with Dragonflight with 1032 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,080 the new stuff. And it's just like programming 1033 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,480 all of those in with all the new talents because we switched 1034 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,680 talent, talent stuff. It was just like, oh man, like 1035 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,240 the amount of work that that required. 1036 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,680 And for him, literally genie thing, I'm free. 1037 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:24,400 Okay, did I take it back? It's perfect. 1038 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:25,960 Never. Yeah, great. 1039 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:26,840 But. That's one person. 1040 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,640 One person and. Like I said, I would, I actually 1041 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,480 much prefer that they hire add on writers and a give them 1042 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,880 actual stable jobs right with actual pay. 1043 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,440 I mean, I don't know how much better World of War Blizzard pay 1044 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,720 is than, you know, writing your. Own or how stable it is? 1045 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,840 I mean, didn't EA just layoff 400 people? 1046 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,600 OK, I'm not saying they are like, you know, conscripted into 1047 00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,640 labor, but I, I, I would, I would, I would rather as a 1048 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,360 player that the people who have been doing this for ages and 1049 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,640 ages continue onwards versus World of Warcraft starts from 1050 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,640 scratch. And like all the lessons learned 1051 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,360 that weren't like verbally stated, like, oh, we used to do 1052 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:08,880 it like this, but now we're doing it like this. 1053 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,040 That's like the quiet tweaks that made things cleaner that we 1054 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,360 can't even think of because they weren't put in our faces have to 1055 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,200 be redone. Well, you look at the people 1056 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,160 that they brought in for this Wow cast, this wasn't like this 1057 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,640 wasn't Lynxy sitting down and talking with Ian. 1058 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,560 This was a world first Raider and a very well known high level 1059 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,280 player, right? That like even if they because 1060 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,680 we know that Max isn't writing his own week or is he's got a 1061 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,200 team that does that during the race, the world first, we know 1062 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,880 that Dratnos isn't writing his own week or is he's just going 1063 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,960 out and finding the best and recommending them to people. 1064 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,440 These are people in the community that they brought in 1065 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,440 to do this. And I think that's the exact 1066 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,040 same sort of mentality that Bliss has been doing for years. 1067 00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:55,360 You look at Taryn Gregory, right? 1068 00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:02,200 He didn't do cinematics for video games throughout his 1069 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,480 entire career. He did cinematics and like 1070 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,240 Machina and then Blizzard was like come work for us. 1071 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,760 You look at Ian has acoustis elitist jerks history and he was 1072 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,680 brought in for encounter design and then worked his way up. 1073 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,880 So like, this is definitely the company that is going to at 1074 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,440 least consult, if not bring in these these people to to do 1075 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,600 that. You always hear about like 1076 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,360 people being like, oh, I'm doing my Blizzard tour and it's sort 1077 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,720 of like, I think something's going on there. 1078 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,320 How come I haven't seen any videos from you lately? 1079 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,800 Drat knows what's going on. Oh, I'm just going on a little 1080 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:37,960 vacation. Yeah. 1081 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,200 So yeah, I think you. That's a pretty safe bet there, 1082 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,960 Lex. All of that that makes me feel 1083 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,080 better. I feel happy now. 1084 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,040 Everything's fine. Sean's world is not going to 1085 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,200 happen. They're not going to make me do 1086 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,920 1 button. And even if they do, even if 1087 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,760 they the big they does make me do 1 button, then it's OK 1088 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,960 because my Guild is going to come in and give me a big hug 1089 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,200 and say it's OK, Lex, we know that you part's really bad. 1090 00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,800 We like hanging out with you anyway. 1091 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,600 And they won't make me do 1 button. 1092 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,200 And also all everyone is going to have a job. 1093 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,360 They just need you to cast something in that 7 second gap 1094 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,160 where you're apparently doing nothing. 1095 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:09,920 What are you doing in that 7 seconds? 1096 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,600 Probably clicking a. Button that I thought was not 1097 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:12,960 on. Cool. 1098 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,320 I'm picking it three times and I'm like why it looks like it's 1099 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:17,800 not? Cool down. 1100 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,280 Oh my God, that is so that it's So what? 1101 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,000 Half of these logs are just like the. 1102 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,040 Hot looks open. Why isn't the hot going? 1103 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:32,760 And then I see that. We didn't even talk about they 1104 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,280 they announced after we've recorded last week the dinars 1105 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,160 and the increase to the item level, the gear Palooza uncapped 1106 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,920 crests, war bound valor stones we're. 1107 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,720 Going to talk the entire housing thing, right? 1108 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,320 Yeah, we can talk about that next week, 'cause that was then 1109 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,600 it actually will be out, right? The first, the Gira Palooza, 1110 00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,920 starts next week, doesn't it? There's no, it's the 14th. 1111 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,920 Never mind. We'll prime people. 1112 00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,320 We'll get them real excited by talking. 1113 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,160 About all the information they need to get into it and a whole 1114 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,200 lot of me being like no guys no anyways. 1115 00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,280 I think ultimately though, I do just Manny was just about to say 1116 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,800 goodbye. Ultimately, I I think maybe I'm 1117 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,760 wrong, but I feel like the general take away from the 1118 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,760 Wowcast today was that things the future could be bright like 1119 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,680 they are they the more that is in the game naturally or 1120 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,840 natively is better for new players will be better for 1121 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,560 players who aren't already using add-ons and it should only 1122 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,040 improve performance. Like I assume Blizzard's going 1123 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,760 to optimize better than who? That's a big that is a. 1124 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,280 I assume he's doing a lot of work though. 1125 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,320 We. Did 11 point 1.5, I can 1126 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,320 understand everybody's faith being shaken, but like I was 1127 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,880 actually going to log, sign us off or say say that. 1128 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,240 What I was going to say is the one part of this conversation 1129 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,840 that we haven't talked about is actually that I don't expect 1130 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:03,960 these add-ons to be as powerful as the third party add-ons. 1131 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,240 And that is going to be by design. 1132 00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,000 They are doing this so that the tools you have are less 1133 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,560 effective, which means that they can do less threatening 1134 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,480 mechanics. You're not easier. 1135 00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,280 Yeah. And like that's they sound 1136 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,000 genuinely. Said they don't want to do that. 1137 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,720 They want to make it less complex. 1138 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,160 Yes, still challenging. Less complex. 1139 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,760 Yeah, right. But like, it just means that 1140 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,160 like I know, but like, I'm sorry, I know it's it's nice 1141 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,440 flowery language to say less complex, right? 1142 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,480 But I do mean easier. And the reason I say easier is 1143 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:45,600 because a get out of dodge in in .5 seconds. 1144 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,160 I need something to let me know that that's happening and just 1145 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,480 air horns and everything so that I'm moving before it comes down. 1146 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,440 Get out of dodge in two seconds. I don't need those air horns. 1147 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,360 I can get out of dodge and react on my own in that time. 1148 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,960 And that's a big component of what they're they're doing. 1149 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,720 They're going to like this isn't just a de escalation in that 1150 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,200 we're not going to do certain mechanics. 1151 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,520 It's that the mechanics that they are going to do don't need 1152 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:17,480 to be as split second reactionary or like you need to 1153 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:22,240 have some sort of like. Prognosis of like, hey, we need 1154 01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,360 you to go exactly here and you to go to these coordinates and 1155 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,160 you to go these coordinates so that everybody else can stack in 1156 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,400 this in this pixel square so that we can survive this 1157 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,480 mechanic. He played echo of an authorian. 1158 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,960 That was the boss that we ended on in our mythic in our mythic 1159 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,640 question back when my team was doing mythic is no fairy was 1160 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,240 just like, yeah, we're done for this decent friends. 1161 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,120 I know what boss you're describing for. 1162 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,720 Right. And so I think that, yeah, just 1163 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,720 playable by humans, or as Sean would say, playable by mortal 1164 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,520 men, yeah, is. Give the normies a chance. 1165 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,320 Give the normies right is where I'd like to see the game even at 1166 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,360 the mythic level right And that's what I think this this is 1167 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,840 if you can bring the add-ons that can help people step up to 1168 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:19,360 the organized level and you can squelch the add-ons so that the 1169 01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,280 the highest doesn't require inhuman precision and. 1170 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,880 You can make that not have to press 1 button all day and 1171 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,440 pretend that that's playing a video game. 1172 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,880 And I think that that makes all the content far more accessible. 1173 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,000 You don't need the computational power to power all these things 1174 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,440 in the best computer to like make sure your frame rate never 1175 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,240 drops below this right while running all these extra 1176 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,320 processes. And you've got the help to get 1177 01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,080 you into the organized level. And I think that's a big thing 1178 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,440 about accessibility there. But with that, I am going to end 1179 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,480 this episode because we have been going and yes, we have a 1180 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,480 lot to talk about in the future. So World Warcraft is looking 1181 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,960 bright. Until next time, though, may all 1182 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:01,960 your hits be kids.