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I want to be super clear, if 
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of these functionalities that 
we've discussed in the last 15 

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minutes, PVE is going to be 
really, really rough for a lot 

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of people. 
Like exceptionally rough. 

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Victory for the Forsaken. 
For Lauderon. 

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For the Karen tour. 
For. 

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Pandaria. 
For. 

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Calendar to. 
The burning. 

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Region for Gilnaeus, but has. 
Not died for the Lich King for 

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the. 
Sindora for the Alliance, for 

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the Horde. 
For Azeroth. 

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Hello and welcome back to 
another episode of For Azeroth. 

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I am one of your host Manny, AKA
the Truvan Manny. 

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And of course, I am joined by 
the other two parts of the 

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Triumphant first introducing 
from the far Far East where the 

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sun rises an hour earlier. 
Not sure it's Sean. 

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Hello, Sean, and how are you 
today? 

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I'm doing well, man. 
Yeah, it would. 

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I'm an hour ahead of you, so by 
rights the sun would rise an 

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hour sooner for me, probably the
same time, relatively. 

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But for you, it's an hour 
shooter. 

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I feel like. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, yeah, that's, that's 
definitely. 

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Listen, I, I used to be a rocket
surgeon. 

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I definitely understand how the 
time zones work. 

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Got it, got it. 
I feel like rocket surgeon and 

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time zones are different things.
But also also joining us, of 

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course, is Lex. 
Hello Lex, How are you and how's

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the World of Warcraft been 
treating you? 

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I am good. 
The World of Warcraft has been 

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treating me well. 
We are still working on 

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dementias for AOTC which we are 
hopeful we will be getting soon.

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He's tough boy. 
He's chunky my God. 

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But but vibin bopping along 
it's. 

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We're also in stick season which
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it's actually in my opinion the 
best season because it's all 

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spooky and pretty outside. 
But we love stick season because

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it's pretty and spooky outside 
but nobody is looking at the 

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trees except for me so I can let
my dog off leash. 

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Manny, I forgot to tell you my 
news, my Warcraft news. 

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I was so busy telling jokes. 
True, true. 

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I I believe you have an update 
as well. 

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So how's the World of Warcraft 
actually been treating you? 

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We killed dementias last night, 
we secured CE for the season. 

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We ended up at world rank 423, 
which is pretty impressive on 

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two nights a week, six hours. 
Very, very excited for that. 

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We dummied him. 
He's like a 220 ish to 250 ish 

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pull boss. 
We did it in 155 and we actually

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gained 100. 
We we we we shaved 159 spots off

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of our world spot from our Nexus
King kill. 

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Yeah, we progged the snot out of
that boss. 

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It was a lot of fun. 
I really liked it. 

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Really fun tank fight. 
I got to be the gravity runner 

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in P1 and then obviously in P3 
it's it's very tank heavy. 

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Anyway lot of fun, loved it, big
fan. 

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Lex, I can't wait for you to get
your kill. 

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Then we will all be Dementia's 
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Nailed. 
It. 

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Here we go glad that you guys 
are pushing through going up the

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ranks in the in the dementia's 
Prague there and doing much 

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better than last season. 
And of course, Lex, you're going

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to nail that kill soon. 
Have you guys like, I kind of 

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want to go into a little bit of 
where you're at Lex, because as 

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you guys reach certain points 
like you've now started locking 

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out and and extending, Have you 
had those conversations where 

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you're like, OK, are we going to
sit people? 

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Are we asking people to like 
really push their gear so that 

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we we can get it? 
What are those conversations 

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like for a Guild such as 
yourself? 

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So not really with dementias 
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if, if, if the conversations in 
the Guild tend to be very like 

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something is like, it is very 
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need a couple fewer people off. 
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we were struggling in such a way
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impossible. 
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team, like we'd watch so many 
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We'd made sure we had the like, 
we understood the dance and we 

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just like, like we're dying in 
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oh, if we'd done XYZ 
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unfeasible. 
And so then we had conversations

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as officers and we're like it 
based on what we're seeing. 

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We have to have a conversation 
about sitting people or like, 

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and we set gear requirements and
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the people knew exactly what 
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to go into the polls. 
But if people can't meet that, 

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we just, we, we have to try 
without them so that then we 

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can, a lot of it is mental. 
There is some degree of like 

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once you get a kill, you can get
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We are not really. 
First of all, we've only had a 

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couple nights of prog on to 
Mencius and we're not seeing 

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those sorts of issues. 
There's not a clear like, oh, 

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first of all, it does seem like 
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It does seem like when we're 
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getting the dance down versus 
issues of like, I don't even 

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understand how we're supposed to
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And we're not seeing like 
anything that would that would 

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make us think that like, if we 
cut a couple people out, we 

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would be better, right? 
It really feels like right now 

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we just all need to get the 
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We're all doing a pretty OK job.
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not sit. 
If we can avoid sits during a 

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season, we absolutely will. 
But you have to balance that 

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with like, you know, it's also 
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Prague for, for weeks and weeks 
and weeks. 

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So it is a very complicated 
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And every time it has come up, 
it has been we, we've tried our 

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very best to handle it very, 
very sensitively and very gently

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and make it very clear to people
when we're thinking about it and

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give them very clear 
expectations of like, here's 

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what we would need to see to 
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Because the last thing we want 
is for somebody to log on one 

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night and then get the whisper 
like, Hey, you're out and like 

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midway through the night, just 
be like, Oh, well, this sucks 

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and feels bad and I am not 
having a good time. 

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And this frustrating poll now is
like a devastating I'm not going

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to hang out with my friends 
poll. 

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Can I say two things to that? 
Number one, I applaud you not 

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sitting people. 
I don't think there's any reason

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ever to sit people on Heroic. 
I figure you're a team. 

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You've gotten this far as a 
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team. 
That was something that we set 

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up when I helped raid in EU with
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That was one of the things 
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GM and that as a Rave leader for
me was like, everybody can do 

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this. 
We're going to get it together 

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because like you said, it sucks 
if you get a kill and you don't 

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have you're not so team. 
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something that might help, if 
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tell yourself that you're not 
progging dementias, that it is a

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rekill, that you've already got 
the kill. 

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If you can shift your brain 
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you're in, it's like your brain 
is in a different mode in Prague

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mode from winning. 
It's in farm mode. 

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You're going to get this kill 
and the next week he's just 

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going to fall over and you're 
going to be like, I don't 

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remember how we ever struggled 
with this. 

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If you can switch your brain 
into thinking he's already dead.

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I know all of the dance. 
I know what I have to do when 

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the things happen. 
I know what call oats mean what 

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we have killed this boss. 
This is farm. 

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It actually helps me and I know 
it helps some other people to 

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get over that hump of we're 
still progging and that that you

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know that what comes next 
mentality and you seem pretty 

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good at like making your brain 
believe things. 

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If you believe that we don't all
love you here, so that. 

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Was nowhere expecting that to 
come. 

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You should try that, though, 
that that could that could and I

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again, I I really do applaud the
no we did, though. 

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She believes that we don't love 
her, is what I'm saying. 

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But we do love her that that. 
Was I know it felt it felt very 

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like sweet and validating and 
also kind of like a like a 

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collar. 
Backhanded compliment. 

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It's like love yourself, smack. 
Yeah, you guys will get it. 

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I'm sure you will. 
Oh yeah, I do too. 

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And I think we, I, the, the 
first night that we were 

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pragging, the team knows this. 
So I don't think that anyone is 

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going to be like surprised when 
I said this. 

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I think we were kind of like 
myself very much included. 

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I, I, I have a bad habit of 
being a chatty little girl on 

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raid. 
We were a little bit in like 

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vibe mode, some members of the 
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So we had a, a little chat as 
officers about the importance of

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when pull timers going. 
That is when we stop having our 

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cute little conversations on the
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So realistically, we've had one 
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we did really well. 
We had really solid prog in that

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night. 
So I, I am not concerned. 

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I, I knock on wood, I'm 
anticipating we're going to, I'm

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kind of anticipating we're going
to get it this week. 

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I don't know if we will, but I 
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So we'll see. 
I believe. 

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Well, good luck to you and 
congratulations to Sean. 

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I guess that means that a lot of
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state are now focusing on Legion
Remix because that is going to 

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Legion Remix has gone its first 
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This is the rise of the Night 
Fallen and that includes it is 

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returned to Carazan. 
It is the night hold the Somar 

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campaign. 
I am really happy about Cara 

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because that was like the first 
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I think in my mind it stands as 
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most like cinematic like my 
goodness, this feels like a five

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man raid of all of the mega 
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Sean. 
Yeah, like I love Carazan. 

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You're the person who fell into 
Legion Remix the hardest of all 

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of us. 
Are you still going strong? 

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How is Legion Remix for you? 
Manny, Manny, Manny coming 

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closer. 
Let me tell you the little story

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of Legion Remix and how quickly 
I fell in love with it and how 

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just as quickly it was pushed to
the side when I discovered 

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another game last week that I 
gained access to that scratched 

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every itch I've ever had and 
some that I didn't know I had. 

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So I have not been keeping as I 
won't. 

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This is a poet cast of a 
Warcraft. 

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We're going to talk about 
Warcraft. 

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I'm not going to get into what 
other games I may have fallen 

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into, but it is I have fallen. 
I have not kept up with Legion 

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Remix. 
I did log on yesterday after we 

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killed the Mencius and we 
celebrated with a quick Carrizan

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run as you mentioned. 
A lot of fond memories from 

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Carrizan for me from when it was
a raid in BC. 

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I think Lex was going to say she
remembers watching her dad raid 

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it in BC. 
That's. 

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Exactly what I. 
Was going to say, yeah, so we 

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did that. 
We did a quick run of that and 

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it seems fine. 
The the buffs went in for for 

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healers and DPS. 
They have 100% extra health in 

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dungeons and raids now and a 
bunch of extra damage. 

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That's good. 
So that sort of levels that 

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playing field. 
I think everybody's at the point

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now where they're realizing like
the first two weeks of Lead 

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Remix, everybody was like, oh 
man, for the first week, how 

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long has it been out? 
Two weeks, two weeks, first two 

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weeks, everyone's like, oh man, 
I got a power blast right now. 

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I got to get Max power. 
This, you know, this is 

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happening. 
And everybody who in work like 

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Warcraft, people tend to do this
thing where they get like really

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insane over a new mode. 
And everybody did that. 

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And like a huge majority of 
people are running around at Max

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item level already 7:40 and then
working on those power games. 

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There's a group of five in China
who have their artifact weapon 

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up to 999 power already. 
They've timed plus 106 I believe

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it is. 
It might be 116. 

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It's a big number they have 
over. 

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I think it's over 3,000,000 
radar IO score from those 

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dungeons. 116 was the last. 
So they're probably up to 8 

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million score now because as 
those keys go higher, the score 

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gets exponentially greater as 
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So people are still blasting 
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A lot of people are realizing 
Wow, we have way more power than

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we ever thought we were going to
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out. 
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gradual increase in the speed 
with what you were killing and 

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clearing raids in Phase 1, the 
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in phase two and it was like 
instantly one shooting bosses 

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and people are still hungry for 
more. 

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They're like, Oh no, I want 
more, more. 

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It's like, it's great. 
It's like Kylo Ren in that one 

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scene from that Star Wars movie 
where he's got his mask off and 

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he wants more. 
I don't know which one it is. 

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I love Star Wars but I those 3 
blend together for me. 

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Except for the horse thing in 
Last Jedi. 

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The best of the pack don't at 
me. 

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Anyway all I had to say remix 
like Mythic plus fell off a 

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Cliff because of Remix and that 
game that I mentioned. 

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And Remix is like going hot and 
heavy now. 

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And I now that we're done Prague
and I don't really have a 

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reason, Turbo Boost has ended, 
which we're going to put next. 

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I did my Crest conversion, so my
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minutes. 
I will probably dive back into 

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Remix this week if I can pull 
myself away from that other game

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that I'm really, really enjoying
that does so many things so 

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well. 
Are we not supposed to say other

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game names? 
Because I had an entire season 

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where I was talking about the 
Valeguard like every single 

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episode of For Azeroth. 
I I feel like Dragon Age isn't a

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direct. 
Oh, that's true. 

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That if they're competitive, 
though I have also talked about 

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Final Fantasy on an unreasonable
amount. 

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But you can keep your secrets if
you want to keep your secrets, 

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Sean. 
I don't want anybody else to 

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join me in my fellowship. 
No, I think it's good that you 

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have a fellowship of friends and
that you guys are all like 

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running through. 
So that's that's good. 

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Yeah, I jumped in over the 
weekend. 

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It was like, OK, I'm going to do
some Legion remix, some remix. 

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I did the starting things. 
I saw the points where Sean was 

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like, Oh yeah, they do the skip 
there and isn't that cute and 

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nothing and that sort of thing, 
and got down into Azura and I 

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was like, OK, I'm going to start
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And I cleared out like one or 
two quests. 

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I'm like, you know what, maybe I
want to try this on hard mode 

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because like, what's going to 
kill me? 

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Here's the boredom more than 
anything else. 

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And yeah, I got my butt handed 
to me by this one core hound, 

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fell core hound that had four 
affixes and decided that it only

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needed two to hand to hand me my
life. 

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So I had to turn off the hard 
mode. 

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And I am both really happy that 
it's there and really sad that I

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fell so short. 
It might be that like, like I 

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just need to avoid like 
particular enemies and stuff, 

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which is cool. 
I'm going to give it another 

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shot. 
I think that levelling up 

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through questioning is just not 
something I can do. 

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As somebody who's played through
the Legion content maybe about a

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dozen times. 
How many classes are there in 

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the game, including Evoker? 
Well, Evoker can't. 

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You can't be an Evoker in a 
Legion Remix 13 if you count 

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Evoker 12 available in Legion 
Remix. 

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Got it. 
So I have done legion content at

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least 10 times so I I'm I'm 
burnt out on it. 

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Can I offer a suggestion that 
might help juice your your 

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gains? 
And it's not, it's not, it's not

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whey powder or creatine or 
whatever that gym stuff is that 

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people take. 
I'm so I'm so so fit you. 

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Guys need to watch some videos 
so you can check out Sean's 

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climber body that he was talking
about in the pre show but 

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continue on. 
I, I just, I want you to know 

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that in 2002 I won second place 
in a hard bodies contest at the 

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Palace in Halifax, 4 weeks in a 
row in the 1st place when it was

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obviously somebody who actually 
had a hard body. 

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But I had great stage presence 
and continued to get like I beat

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actual gym people. 
It's wild. 

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I wish I had a picture. 
Anyway, that's not important. 

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Nobody's here for that Legion 
remix here. 

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I'm gonna juice your, I'm gonna 
juice your gains and remix. 

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You're just getting into remix. 
You missed that first two week 

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wave. 
That's OK. 

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Here's what you do. 
First you go in and you install 

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the add on Legion Remix helper, 
I think it's called. 

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You install that add on. 
You're going to go into those 

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settings. 
You're going to set it so that 

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you automatically open all your 
boxes so that it automatically 

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opens all of your bronze and so 
that it automatically accepts 

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and turns in quests. 
Then you're going to go back, 

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you're going to turn on normal 
mode, you're going to pick 

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either Stormheim or Val Shora 
and you're going to go and 

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you're just going to mindlessly 
run through the zone completing 

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the quest. 
Don't read the quest text, just 

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blast through on normal 
difficulty until you hit level 

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25, between 25 and 30 at 3025. 
If you're brave at 30 though, 

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then you turn on hero mode, that
you turn on the hard mode and 

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you go back and you keep 
leveling those up. 

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Every day you log in, you do 1 
heroic dungeon through the grid 

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group Finder, 1 normal dungeon 
through the group Finder and try

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to do and then at 80 then you 
would you hit 80, you do that 

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same thing. 
You keep doing the normal and 

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the heroic dungeon, but then you
include the raids. 

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You want to tie in mythic and 
heroic grades. 

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You'll get invited to groups. 
It doesn't matter if you're not 

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740. 
Even if you see groups that say 

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only taking 730, still apply 
their lies. 

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That's advertising. 
We're using that to bring in the

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hotties, the juicers, so that we
can have them boost all the 

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other people that aren't that 
high. 

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It's OK Apply to those. 
And then then just relax and 

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just do that everyday. 
You should go through if your 

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goal is Max power go through and
finish all the questing 

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campaigns. 
There's a lot of good bronze 

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there a lot of power to be 
gained there. 

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But if your goal is just bronze,
then just log into your heroic 

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dungeon, do your normal dungeon 
and then do it one round of the 

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raids every day and you're going
to get enough bronze by the end 

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of the three months If you do 
that every day that you'll be 

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able to buy whatever you want to
buy. 

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Yeah, that's trust me juice 
yourself up with that that 

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Legion remix helper add on it 
also auto scrap stuff for you. 

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You open up your thing to scrap 
and it just force feeds it all 

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in there. 
There's there's a bunch of other

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add-ons that help like plumber 
is nice, but you probably 

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already have that on and people 
are using easy scrap but you 

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don't need you don't have 
plumber. 

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So I I used to have plumber and 
then my friend convinced me to 

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uninstall the game and I don't 
have most of the add-ons I used 

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to have so it's it's I I'm 
thinking of reinstalling stuff 

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but it's a process now where I 
have to get them all back again.

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Is. 
There a good for you though, it 

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like gives you an opportunity to
be like what actually do I need 

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and what did I just have 
downloaded? 

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Wait, which one is which one's 
plumber? 

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Plumber it's AUI add on that 
like gives you different views 

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of like your reputation and all 
these different windows. 

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It's it's basically like AUI 
Fixer that makes things look 

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much better and presentable and 
much more easy to read. 

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Yeah, get it. 
Gotcha it auto it auto fills 

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your power into your artifact 
weapon for you. 

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It was big in mop. 
It was big in Amerdrasil 

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Seriously install this is for 
everybody. 

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If you're listening to this show
right now. 

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Hi thanks for listening. 
We appreciate you. 

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Why don't you pop into the 
discord at that LY slash Fez 

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discord and let us know so we 
can all say hi to you there but 

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install plumber. 
If you're not using it, it is 

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the best add on bar none. 
It if you have no other add-ons,

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you need to use plumber. 
Yeah, it's it's done by Peter. 

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You the same guy that does I 
don't think he does narcissist, 

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does he? 
He does dialogue UI. 

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Does he also do narcissist? 
Sean, do you want to be really 

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careful saying that? 
Because if you tell people that 

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they need an add on then 
Blizzard's going to be like 

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shit. 
And then they're going to make 

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it so you can no longer do UI 
add-ons. 

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I mean, we're going to be 
talking about UIS later, but I 

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think that there is going to be 
a conversation about UIS that 

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have survived what Blizzard has 
done because there's many of 

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them and what UI stuff, what 
kind of add-ons we would 

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recommend for midnight would be 
a cool kind of thing, but 

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that'll be a different episode. 
Moving on from Legion, we now go

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into live realms because live 
realms, after quite a bit of 

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downtime, got the turbo boost 
and so now you can upgrade all 

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of your items another couple of 
tracks on whatever they were on 

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before. 
You can now reach a new level of

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Max power you can buy trinkets, 
weapons, or other items from. 

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Instead of it being on one 
vendor, they're actually 2 

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vendors now. 
So one is for the heroic level 

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stuff and analogous to heroic 
level, and one is for the top 

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level mythic stuff. 
This first week you are getting 

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a quest to go kill bosses and 
raise or go do Mythic Plus, and 

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that will give you 3 of the 
Puzzling Cartel chips. 

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That is enough for you to buy 
your first trinket. 

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But over the next few weeks 
you're going to only get one per

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week. 
So on week 4, that's when you'll

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be able to get your next one. 
And then again on Week 7, that's

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when you'll be able to get that 
last one there. 

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And that'll be all of the 
Puzzling Cartel chips. 

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This is pretty much similar to 
what we had in Season 2. 

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They've just sort of split this 
deployment up this time around. 

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And I also think that one 
difference that I saw and you 

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guys can double check this for 
me, if I want to buy a 

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particular piece, let's say it's
mythic level quality from a 

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mythic plus, I only have to beat
that particular dungeon that it 

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would drop out of instead of 
having to get all of them at 

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twelves. 
And the same thing is true for 

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raids. 
You only have to beat the boss 

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that would drop it on a mythic 
level to then be able to get it.

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So I could see a couple of runs 
for the well could be second 

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boss, but Luminar being suddenly
offered in trade because that is

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a choice trinket that's very 
early in the raid and so I I 

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can, I can definitely see those 
carries being spammed. 

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Yeah, loose the the boss is the 
boss condition is the same as it

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was last year. 
You had to beat the boss on 

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mythic difficulty and just that 
boss that hasn't changed. 

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But you're right. 
Don't buy a loom with our carry.

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It's it's a very if you if your 
gearing is current, if you're at

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a point when you're like worried
about getting a mythic loom with

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our trinket, your gearing is 
probably pretty current. 

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You'll be able to plug that boss
you if you just put enough time 

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in. 
You know it'll be painful 

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probably at first, but you 
should be able to plug that 

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boss, especially a couple of 
weeks from now when people are 

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all turbo boosted up. 
It is a change though to the 

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mythic plus for for you only 
needing the the plus 12 in the 

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dungeon you want, which I think 
is good. 

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It matches it up better with the
raid. 

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So I think that makes a lot of 
sense. 

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And there was another change 
that they made. 

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You can no longer earn credit 
towards your Puzzling Cartel 

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chip quest by going to LFR. 
The they made it so that you 

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have to do, I think it's at 
least normal. 

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Yeah, to get that credit. 
LFR no longer gives credit 

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towards it. 
And as well, in order to buy the

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pieces, you have to have done 
the raid on at least normal. 

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So LFR no longer counts to for 
you to buy those pieces either. 

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And I have a lot of thoughts 
about puzzling cartel chips in 

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00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,720
the dinars in the implementation
the last two seasons. 

446
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,880
This it's it doesn't matter. 
My thoughts don't matter on it. 

447
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,200
I hope we see iteration on it in
midnight. 

448
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:09,560
I'm, I'm of two minds 1 is that 
if this is how it's going to be 

449
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,320
going forward and it never 
changes from this, I'm fine with

450
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,280
it at this level, right? 
If it changes, I was fine with 

451
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,440
this level in season 2 where I 
was like, oh, it could be more 

452
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,720
disruptive going to the next 
season, but this is the end of 

453
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,320
expansion. 
Open the floodgates like if if 

454
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,120
it if this is the implementation
for this season and not a model 

455
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:35,080
that they want to carry going 
forward, then this is This seems

456
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,400
the wrong season to be so 
restrictive in my mind. 

457
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:43,800
Well and like Oh no, someone who
only did LFR might have slightly

458
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,760
better gear and might have a 
slightly better chance of doing 

459
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,600
higher levels. 
Like I, I don't know, I as, and 

460
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,680
maybe this is my AOTC only 
Raider brain speaking, but like 

461
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,880
I feel like I feel like boost 
should help the people who are 

462
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,560
lowest the most, right? 
I really don't, frankly, I think

463
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,040
if you do only do LFR, get 
heroic gear, right, I don't 

464
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,960
care. 
I would like you to have the 

465
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,400
highest boost because clearly 
you're at the level where you 

466
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,120
need it, where you will benefit 
from it the most, right? 

467
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,360
I would like people to be able 
to. 

468
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,520
I feel like the point of turbo 
boost is to help people get to 

469
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,000
levels that otherwise they 
wouldn't be able to. 

470
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,680
So I don't personally see any 
benefit to taking things away 

471
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,600
from people who only do LFR. 
I don't like oh. 

472
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,760
Are they going to go in and? 
All of a sudden Cutting Edge is 

473
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,840
going to be screwed up because 
the people who do LFR only have 

474
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,720
extra gear like the game's 
ruined guys. 

475
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,080
That's my take on this. 
Also side note in case you are 

476
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,920
potentially a little bit stupid 
like me, I had somehow never 

477
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,600
heard the phrase cantrip items 
before. 

478
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,720
So if you were listening and 
you're like what's a cantrip 

479
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,640
item? 
It's like gear but it has like a

480
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,640
special little effect. 
So it's the cool extra stuff. 

481
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,640
And you can get those puzzling 
cartel chips, too. 

482
00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:01,480
So like a direct example of this
is like the boots from from the 

483
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,720
demon hunters. 
They are gear that have a extra 

484
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,880
effect and having completed AOCC
and my guilt no longer rating, I

485
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,240
never got those boots. 
So now I'm like I should get 

486
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,840
those boots. 
For somebody who does not have 

487
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:20,320
even the boots on normal, this 
is a big power game for me. 

488
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,440
If you're going from the heroic 
boots to the mythic boots, 

489
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,840
you're only really getting the 
item level difference, so it 

490
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,760
doesn't feel like it's it's not 
as big a jump in my opinion. 

491
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,680
Does the proc rate's not 
increased? 

492
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,720
Is it? 
I know normal to heroic is 30 to

493
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,000
40 so I assumed mythic was 50 
but. 

494
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,320
Yeah, it is. 
The percentage change does go 

495
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,000
up. 
They that that changed late in 

496
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,480
the beta cycle in the PTR cycle.
For the raid it was initially 

497
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,720
there was no difference, but 
then just before the raid for 

498
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,440
the the patch went live they 
changed it to have that 

499
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,720
difference. 
I passed that to a guy who 

500
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,360
already had normal. 
That would have been so much 

501
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:59,840
better for me anyways. 
Yeah, it doesn't matter. 

502
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,760
We were past, we were like past 
prog of that part and just doing

503
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,000
farm. 
So I was just like, I don't 

504
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,080
care. 
It's trans mog for me. 

505
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,240
I'll come back and get it later.
OK, All right. 

506
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,800
I I still think that if this is 
a mold for how it is to go 

507
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,800
forward, I'm somewhat OK with 
this. 

508
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:23,960
I don't think it is taking 
things away from people for them

509
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:29,720
to not get access to gear beyond
what they would normally use to 

510
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,000
progress. 
I think that the extra item 

511
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,960
levels is additional power to 
help people push and if they are

512
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,520
now tempted to go into high 
levels of difficulty to access 

513
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:47,640
those higher things because it's
so surgical about how you unlock

514
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,120
it and you don't have to clear 
all things at 12 or all of the 

515
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:53,760
raid in order to get to these 
items. 

516
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,160
And specifically because unlike 
in last year, the good trinkets 

517
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,720
are on earlier bosses. 
Like if you remember back in 

518
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,040
Undermine, those good trinkets 
were on like the last two bosses

519
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,000
and stuff. 
So like you were fighting all 

520
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,760
the way to to get to those 
things to unlock them. 

521
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:19,960
So this seems like a lighter 
ask, an easier ask to get people

522
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,800
in the door. 
And once they're in the door and

523
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,440
then they get that trinket that 
gives them power to push through

524
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,440
further. 
They've already cut their teeth 

525
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,000
on the content and maybe don't 
feel it as it is as hard. 

526
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,320
And so in terms of guiding 
people into that next level, I 

527
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:38,160
actually think this is better in
terms of rewarding people. 

528
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,480
Yes, this is more restrictive 
and. 

529
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,080
Then like, and, and to be fair, 
it is definitely a case of like,

530
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,320
if this is how they did it at 
the beginning, it's not like I'd

531
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,840
be sitting there like, what do 
you mean you don't get puzzling 

532
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,880
cartel chips for LFR? 
Like it's it, it feels like a 

533
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,040
removal because it used to exist
and they changed it, which like,

534
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,360
fair enough. 
I, I don't, I mean, I don't 

535
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,600
think it's, I don't think it's 
devastating either way, right? 

536
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,320
I don't think that anyone has 
ever been like, oh, I wasn't 

537
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,720
going to do normal, but now all 
of a sudden I have this one 

538
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,280
piece of gear and suddenly I'm, 
you know, going to be pushing 

539
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,040
AOTCI. 
Would be a little bit surprised 

540
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,720
if somebody who wasn't intending
to step foot in normal or I 

541
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,560
suppose heroic would be like, 
well, for this I'm going to push

542
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,120
forward, but I could be wrong. 
I have a very, I'm very, you 

543
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,200
know, I do the same thing every 
single tier. 

544
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,680
So there's never any question of
where I'm going to go or whether

545
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,680
I'm going to go higher. 
Yeah, I, I, I think it, it just 

546
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:41,320
feels like in in my opinion, 
again, like why? 

547
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,320
Right. 
I just don't. 

548
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,200
I know that I fully understand 
the benefit of taking that away.

549
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,800
Would I hear you? 
It's it's just reset and we're 

550
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,120
experimenting with different 
things. 

551
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,880
But yeah, I mean, I'm not going 
to, it's not going to be my new 

552
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,120
every single episode. 
I'm like, and remember when 

553
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,160
Blizzard took away the ability 
to get puzzling cartel chips in 

554
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,720
Alafar? 
Like, I don't, I don't think 

555
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,800
it's. 
Oh no, I've I've got like 

556
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,240
grudges that I hold for forever.
Like when we get that 3D access,

557
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,760
I'm going to like go on Earth, 
that meme where it's like, oh, 

558
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,440
the poor's finally got their 
access and I'm going to pass it 

559
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,720
out everywhere. 
I remember stuff. 

560
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,680
Sean's line is blown. 
He forgot about it. 

561
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,720
I remember. 
I will. 

562
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,880
Understand that I remember 
saying it, I stand by, I stand 

563
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,000
by. 
I would like to give before we 

564
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,960
move on because I feel like 
we're about to move on. 

565
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,520
I would like to give one tip for
turbo boost for anybody who 

566
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,080
isn't aware of this. 
And you probably, if you're 

567
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,760
listening to a Warcraft podcast,
you are probably already aware 

568
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,240
of this, but you can Crestron 
Cat now. 

569
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,880
So you can go. 
And if you haven't converted any

570
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,280
of your old crests all season 
long, you can now convert all of

571
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,480
your lower crests all the way up
to gilded if you have that 

572
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,000
unlocked or to whatever level 
you have crests unlocked at. 

573
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,080
I ended up with 380 gilded 
crests. 

574
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,960
But do buckle up because it's 
depending on how many you have, 

575
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,920
it does take a long time. 
And as far as turbo boost, my 

576
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,640
thoughts are just that fun game 
modes should be fun. 

577
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:10,400
OK, so then we'll use that as 
the queue to move on to a. 

578
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,920
Fun game mode. 
To a fun game mode, yes. 

579
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,400
So we've talked about Legion, 
we've talked about the regular 

580
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,720
retail. 
Now we're going to talk a little

581
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,400
bit more about the alpha. 
As we are now moving into phase 

582
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,320
four, we've had some time to 
test out The Dells in the 

583
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,960
upcoming expansion. 
Dells are now part of the main 

584
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,680
levelling experience. 
They're integrated into the the 

585
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,680
story campaign and they still 
continue to be an end game 

586
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,600
pillar. 
So we've taken some time to like

587
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,160
do those Delves and we're going 
to be talking about how Delves 

588
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,200
are so far on the alpha. 
So we've got people who hated 

589
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,080
Delves, people who have been 
loving Delves all the time, and 

590
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,920
people who have flip-flopped 
between Delves right here. 

591
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,600
So we're going to get a couple 
of opinions. 

592
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,240
Let's start with you. 
What did you think about Dells 

593
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,880
in The War Within? 
So I've been enjoying them. 

594
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,880
I think they are. 
I'm on record saying I think I'd

595
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,720
like them to be a little bit 
more pushy and I do kind of 

596
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,680
agree, although I understand 
their the reasoning. 

597
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,440
I won't make us go back into the
life, but what about the fact 

598
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,160
that some people get axed and 
all that? 

599
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,920
I, especially playing on Havoc, 
have had a very good time with 

600
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,520
them. 
They've made gearing a lot 

601
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,320
easier. 
They've made it a lot less 

602
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,720
stressful for me to get to the 
points that I want to get to, 

603
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,320
Especially without somebody who 
doesn't love Mythic Plus and 

604
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,560
somebody who doesn't have a ton 
whose whose time frame in 

605
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,480
playing World of Warcraft does 
not tend to line up with my 

606
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,200
guildies. 
By which I mean I go to bed when

607
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,200
all of the parents put their 
children to bed. 

608
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,600
So congratulations to me. 
I go to bed at the same time as 

609
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,960
a 5 year old. 
Well, you know, like we all have

610
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,920
responsibilities and people who 
take care of five year olds also

611
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,240
have to go to bed to be up with 
five year olds. 

612
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,600
So it's not just the five year 
olds. 

613
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,360
Sean, I believe you had a much 
more tumultuous time with 

614
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,640
Delves. 
How's your experience being in 

615
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:14,960
the War within for Delves? 
Delves from a fairly well geared

616
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,600
tank POV serve no functional 
purpose outside of the first 

617
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,200
week of the season when I'm 
trying to get extra tear and I 

618
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,480
do not find them enjoyable 
enough beyond that point to keep

619
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,280
doing them for fun. 
Now I have friends who like them

620
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,960
so I do end up usually filling 
my delvers journey and spending 

621
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,240
time in delves because my 
friends are like hey I'm adps 

622
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,920
who likes this but I'm tired of 
getting my face pushed in can 

623
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,040
you please come stand in front 
of me with your shield? 

624
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:56,280
But as a solo game mode I found 
them to be tedious, boring, and 

625
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,440
just not worth my time from a 
reward perspective. 

626
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,880
If they had included some 
cosmetics I guess there was the 

627
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,760
delvers set. 
You could, but you could buy 

628
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,640
that as well. 
Yeah, and also it's ugly but 

629
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,480
fire you. 
Continue. 

630
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,520
And they had to look great. 
You're right, You're right. 

631
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,480
A lot affected, but yeah, I just
I wasn't great for me wasn't 

632
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,239
fun. 
There's no as a tank, there's no

633
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,440
challenge, even a tier 11. 
It's just you don't there's no 

634
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,040
loose condition. 
I can't die unless I like 

635
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,199
massively over pull the dungeon 
and I'm just consumed by casters

636
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,679
out of my range. 
There's which is why would you 

637
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,800
do that? 
There's no way for me to die, 

638
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,480
which means now it's not a 
question of skill. 

639
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,520
It's just a question of time and
because you're a tank and they 

640
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,800
have so much health on all the 
enemies in there, it just takes 

641
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,080
forever. 
So now it just becomes this 

642
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,960
tedium. 
It's just, I've said there's 

643
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,480
lots in the show. 
I found them to be. 

644
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,600
They're not great for tanks. 
They that they need a drastic 

645
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,560
change. 
And I went into them on the 

646
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,560
alpha with that hope that they 
would have done something to 

647
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,560
change it, to make it better for
tanks. 

648
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,920
OK, we'll get to your alpha 
impressions in the moment. 

649
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,240
So just recapping so people 
don't have to go back into the 

650
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,280
archives of the show, but feel 
free to do so if you want to. 

651
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,640
I started pretty enthusiastic 
about Delves behind the scenes. 

652
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,520
We were like really looking 
forward to Dells trying to like 

653
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:28,720
figure out like what what 
they're about, how competitive 

654
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,920
they could be. 
See if this was like Blizzard 

655
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,880
has positioned this pretty much 
as a new end game pillar. 

656
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:42,880
And so I was looking to see how 
how far it would go if like if 

657
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,520
when you turned it up to 11 is 
this was going to be something 

658
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:51,360
incredibly engaging. 
And unfortunately, delves have 

659
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,040
never quite fit the mark in 
terms of end game pillars for me

660
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:02,880
as Adps melee DPS. 
Season 11 was a matter of 

661
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,280
getting to the gear point where 
they wouldn't immediately get 

662
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,560
you in a global before you could
react. 

663
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,960
And then once you were at that 
safety level, yes, there was the

664
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,640
interplay of like, oh, let me 
grab those potions so that so 

665
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,720
that I can keep myself healthy 
and that sort of thing. 

666
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,560
But like, the gimmicks were what
really did it for me. 

667
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,520
Each one had this weird little 
run around with the candle don't

668
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,440
drown underwater sort of thing 
that proved to annoy me more 

669
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,480
than engage me. 
As the expansion went on, they 

670
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,960
actually pulled back on those 
mechanics. 

671
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,920
We had the entire underwater 
levels just get drained at the 

672
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,480
in the last season, the candles 
and the air purifiers became 

673
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,760
multi charges that you wouldn't 
get screwed over with as easily.

674
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,480
And so Dells became more 
enjoyable or maybe more 

675
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,280
tolerable depending on your your
your position in season 2 and in

676
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,880
season 3. 
But once I was geared, it was 

677
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,720
kind of like you were saying, 
Sean, I'd push season 2. 

678
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:10,640
I remember us all being like, 
whoa, wait a second. 

679
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,360
I just did Elevens on the first 
day when the world happened. 

680
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:18,560
They may have nerfed this too 
much, but I think that's 

681
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,760
preferable to like the 
frustration of people getting 

682
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,240
like one shot because they're on
the wrong spec or healers not 

683
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:26,240
being able to get through it at 
all. 

684
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:30,360
On the addition of healer. 
Brand was a was a godsend for 

685
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,360
healers. 
So I think Delves in general 

686
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,480
have been in a much better 
position in in its refinement 

687
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,720
going to the end of the war 
within the last thing that was 

688
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:45,840
missing was that I think it's 
just unanimous between all three

689
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,720
of us. 
I hate Bran. 

690
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,400
What an annoying like he's the 
reason that I turn off sound in 

691
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,320
in World of Warcraft. 
Half the time I'll be doing the 

692
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,840
dementia's fight, be like, oh 
man, I got to turn on, turn on 

693
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,320
the sound for this music and 
then it don't stand in those 

694
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,080
webs and oh, OK, immediate, 
immediate mute on that. 

695
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,920
So Bran and the feel of Delves 
as being this weird kooky sort 

696
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:17,240
of thing also kind of made me 
not take it seriously and kind 

697
00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:18,920
of detracted from the experience
as well. 

698
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,800
But I felt Delves definitely 
ended in a much better position 

699
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,160
than they began with. 
So I mean. 

700
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,960
I had this on the show as well. 
I do think like only in an end 

701
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,720
game pillar is complicated 
because it ends at the point 

702
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:38,320
where most like the other end 
game pillars start, right? 

703
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,280
Like where you start actually 
pushing is, is the gear level 

704
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,720
and the challenge level. 
That and like we've had this 

705
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:45,560
5,000,000 times. 
I will. 

706
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,760
I will anyway. 
Anyway. 

707
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,760
It's it's weird because if 
you're separating Mythic plus 

708
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,640
from all dungeons before it, you
are 100% right. 

709
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,400
I would say that your argument 
is so hard to fight right. 

710
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:06,680
If you're separating LFR from 
all other levels of rating 

711
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,800
content, then I would say you're
right. 

712
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,000
It's it definitely does not go 
as it go as far. 

713
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,640
And then we've had the 
conversation about it's 

714
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:18,160
balancing all the way through. 
But I got to ask you guys, your 

715
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,920
experience on the alpha now, how
was that for you? 

716
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,880
And I guess, Sean, you were kind
of leading into it. 

717
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,000
So we'll get to you first, your 
experience on the alpha. 

718
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,920
How have you felt Delves have 
been? 

719
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,000
I've run 3 or 4 now, I can't 
remember specifically because 

720
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,320
they run together. 
It is the exact same. 

721
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:42,000
I feel the exact same about the 
Delves in Midnight as I do about

722
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,200
the Delves all through the War 
Within. 

723
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,760
Now, obviously in Midnight, we 
can't do up to Tier 11. 

724
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,760
We can do up to only do up to 
Tier 3, but our characters are 

725
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,920
scaled appropriately for Tier 3.
So it's the same as if I was 

726
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,960
doing Tier 11. 
They are fundamentally missing 

727
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,400
something. 
And, and I want to say because 

728
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,320
we're throwing a lot of, I feel 
like we're like really coming 

729
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,640
down on Delves. 
And I know we have at least one 

730
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,320
listener who loves them and that
means we have more listeners who

731
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,320
enjoy Delves. 
These are for some people and I 

732
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,800
am so happy that they exist for 
those people. 

733
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,120
They are definitely not for me 
in their current state, and 

734
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,880
that's OK. 
I have so much other things I 

735
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,720
have to do anyway that it's kind
of nice to not have to do delves

736
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,120
and I can't AFK them like I can 
the theater event. 

737
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,520
So it's really difficult. 
But yeah, I didn't. 

738
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,600
I found with the with the 
exception that I don't have to 

739
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,640
listen to Bran. 
I actually quit my EU rating 

740
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,720
team because two people showed 
up in that with that stupid 

741
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:41,120
brand toy on to a raid. 
So I pretended I'm going back to

742
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,480
school and told them I had to 
quit because I couldn't listen 

743
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,320
to don't stand on those webs 
anymore. 

744
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,760
Anyway, Velira is better, but 
it's only because there's no 

745
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,480
voice lines in yet. 
I'm sure she's going to be just 

746
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,280
as annoying, or at least none 
that I noticed. 

747
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,560
I'm sure she'll be just as 
annoying. 

748
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:02,560
And and that's I think I 
genuinely do not understand the 

749
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,200
decision not to rotate the 
companion because I didn't hate 

750
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,920
Bran when he came out. 
I thought he was kind of funny. 

751
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,920
I thought he was kind of cool, 
right? 

752
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,360
I was like, I'm actually kind of
surprised. 

753
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,360
I expect this to be more 
annoying than it was, but this 

754
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,280
is actually a good time. 
I loathe him now. 

755
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,080
I think that they should end the
war within. 

756
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,960
They should give us a fun scene 
where we personally get to kill 

757
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,400
Bran. 
I hate him so much. 

758
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,360
I want him deleted from the 
files of World of Warcraft. 

759
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,560
I never want to hear a stupid 
little voice again. 

760
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,320
And yeah, I agree, I'm having 
more fun with the leader and I'm

761
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,880
like, oh, this is so like the 
vibes are different. 

762
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,160
This is so cool. 
This is so exciting. 

763
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,720
I'm going to hate her in a 
season, right? 

764
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:43,240
It's going to be the exact same 
thing. 

765
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:46,520
Because the issue is not that 
Bran is particularly annoying. 

766
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,720
The issue is that if you hear 
the exact same thing multiple 

767
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:54,760
times a day, every single day, 
you will hate it. 

768
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,920
There is no voice fun enough and
there's no line cute enough that

769
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,440
you will not loathe it by the 
end of that. 

770
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:10,680
So yeah, I, I, I do, I, I maybe 
it's work and I'm famous for 

771
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,040
saying I want Blizzard to have 
lower workloads, but I can't 

772
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,400
imagine it's that hard to just 
change out the character we're 

773
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,240
running it. 
But I don't know. 

774
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,880
I don't, I don't code. 
However, I'm really excited 

775
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,880
about Dallas and Alpha. 
I think that might be a kind of 

776
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,640
unpopular opinion. 
I don't think that I've heard a 

777
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,600
lot of people are loving Delves 
in Alpha, and I'm going to feel 

778
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,480
really, really silly if this is 
not new in Delves and I somehow 

779
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,240
just missed that it was 
occurring in other Delves. 

780
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,400
One thing that's really standing
out to me is that when you pick 

781
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,200
up the curious, you get a little
stacking buff on your character 

782
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,280
goes up and up and up, and I 
think that's cute. 

783
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,760
I like the the idea that 
actually exploring and doing the

784
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,320
delve stuff and doing the Delve 
mechanics makes you do better. 

785
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,640
And that that means that I can 
push higher levels and delves 

786
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,360
much lower and it's easier. 
I mean, I do kind of agree. 

787
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,360
There's a little bit of a issue 
with it being a little bit easy,

788
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,080
obviously. 
But like, I think that's that's 

789
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,960
a cute idea of how to how to use
the mechanics within the delves 

790
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,080
that we're already doing to make
to choose whether or not you're 

791
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,000
going to buff yourself or not. 
It will also say, final thought.

792
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:21,200
I tried to play on Devourer. 
Holy Mother of God speaks and I 

793
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,360
as having just said that things 
are too easy. 

794
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,200
If you do delves as a ranged 
player on purpose on a regular 

795
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,520
basis, you are stronger than 
God. 

796
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,760
What are you talking about? 
I changed to Havoc in three 

797
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,440
seconds. 
I can't do this. 

798
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,320
So I'm weak and bad, but I'm 
having fun at Havoc again. 

799
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,840
Oh, OK. 
All right, so this is where I 

800
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,640
change. 
I flip the script and say that 

801
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,800
I'm really happy about delves in
alpha. 

802
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,720
I have done 1 Delve the first 
week. 

803
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,480
No, sorry, two delves of both 
delves the first week multiple 

804
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,160
times, right? 
It was two of the first one and 

805
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,920
then one of the second. 
Second week I only did one of 

806
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:17,000
the delves as we went into Dolom
on this week I have done both 

807
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,240
delves and that was a real 
struggle because the alpha has 

808
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:24,160
been having this stupid lag 
later in the week. 

809
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,280
Luckily when I went into the 
instance it wasn't bad. 

810
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,600
So maybe it's only in the out 
world but like I've been 

811
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,080
struggling to play on the alpha 
because of the lag that I've 

812
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,920
been suffering. 
Regardless, I've been enjoying 

813
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,680
Delves. 
I think regardless of where they

814
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,960
go in the end game, I am very 
happy to see Delves integrated 

815
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,520
into the storyline. 
It makes for bigger moments as 

816
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,760
punctuation points in the 
levelling campaign. 

817
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,480
Whether that is clear like 
closer to the end as a capstone 

818
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,120
for like whatever happened to 
these guys or if it is a big 

819
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,880
reveal moment before like they 
do a little reset. 

820
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,680
I do genuinely like Delves as 
part of a story element. 

821
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,600
It's kind of reminiscent of 
Legion, how Legion had its 

822
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,040
dungeons as the final part of a 
story and you would like go 

823
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:24,800
against the drug bar to like 
finally get the last part of 

824
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,640
whatever Mac Guffin that you 
were working on in that zone. 

825
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,320
And them using Dells like this 
makes me appreciate Dells a lot 

826
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,840
more. 
They are just generally really 

827
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,160
good scenarios with like set 
pieces that are set up that way 

828
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:45,200
and so I really like that a lot.
As far as where I feel this is 

829
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,360
going to be in the end game, 
like Sean said, we haven't had a

830
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,160
chance to test anywhere beyond 
three. 

831
00:45:53,520 --> 00:46:00,160
I don't know where 9/10/11 is. 
I would hope that they would 

832
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,920
possibly look at maybe throwing 
in additional affixes. 

833
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,040
In my mind season 1 was stop at 
88 is what you need to get 

834
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,600
through all the stuff you need 
and 9/10/11 are the challenge 

835
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,400
modes for bragging rights. 
And yes, it might be unbalanced,

836
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,880
but if you can do it, like 
congratulations, that's 

837
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,560
something to brag about. 
And I felt it was aspirational 

838
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,080
content and I think is the term 
I was using at the time. 

839
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,720
And I still think that there's a
place for that in delves. 

840
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:33,080
Maybe it becomes more like Tor 
gas where you get through all 

841
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:38,480
the floors and then, hey, do you
want to turn on like the the 

842
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:43,680
void void corrupted version and 
like do corruption 1-2 and three

843
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,760
to make it that like extra 
challenge mode. 

844
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,880
And that doesn't need to be 
perfectly balanced. 

845
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,320
And it does. 
And it specifically should not 

846
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:56,000
reward any kind of power so that
people don't feel barred from 

847
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,520
power. 
Because as soon as they added in

848
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,880
power to the later parts of The 
Dells, that's when they nerfed 

849
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,440
it to the point where we're 
like, whoa, wait a second, 

850
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,600
where's where's the teeth in 
this? 

851
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,360
Yeah, well, I think I think this
is the same thing that you were 

852
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,120
talking about, but I was 
thinking a lot with the like 

853
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:21,680
masks in the corrupted visions. 
So that's sort of like choose 

854
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,520
your own adventure. 
And I do think to what I was 

855
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,560
saying to Sean, I think that I'm
giving more cosmetics is a good 

856
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,800
idea and I think they need to be
less ugly. 

857
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,120
Respectfully, if you love 
Delves, I do. 

858
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:40,360
I think part of the issue is in 
war within Delves were kind of 

859
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:46,080
the like dinky work, right? 
Like the the game designers 

860
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,200
themselves wanted them to feel 
silly and fun and light hearted.

861
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,800
And what that meant is that 
everything felt dinky. 

862
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,760
Like I didn't feel like I was 
going through and getting this 

863
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,080
gear that then made me look like
an epic hero. 

864
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,080
I thought it made me look like a
silly little explorer. 

865
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,440
And if that's what you want, 
that's great. 

866
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,120
That's super valid. 
Not everything is for me. 

867
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,080
And maybe delves are supposed to
make you look like a silly 

868
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,600
little explorer. 
And if you're happy being a 

869
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,040
silly little explorer, I'm happy
for you. 

870
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,960
You look like a cool adventurer 
who's also a silly little 

871
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,120
explorer. 
But I I don't know it just I go 

872
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,200
through the raid and I get this 
cool, you know, voity incredible

873
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,960
like demon thing and I go 
through PvP and I got this 

874
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,920
badass like, you know, fighter 
thing and then I go through 

875
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,880
doves like a little hat like. 
No, not a hat. 

876
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,040
Melted candle. 
We say hat on you. 

877
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,400
Stupid melted candle I was 
mixing up. 

878
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:35,000
It was just dumb. 
Like why would I push through to

879
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,240
get that? 
And again, maybe you really like

880
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:38,680
it and if you do, I love that 
for you. 

881
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,920
Not everything is for me. 
Delves are not for Sean. 

882
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,880
Delve appearances are not for 
me, but I, I, I do think war 

883
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,320
within just the whole vibe was 
this is silly, right? 

884
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,640
Like this is silly, goofy, 
nothing. 

885
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,920
And this is what you go through 
and you play and all the websles

886
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,440
summon Naurubians and you got a 
melted candle on your head. 

887
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,480
Ha ha ha, we're all having a 
good time. 

888
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,000
Which fair enough, but again, 
it, it didn't make it feel like 

889
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,520
actual end game content. 
It made it feel dinky. 

890
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,920
Yeah, Manny asked me when we 
were getting ready for this 

891
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:12,880
segment. 
Manny said Shine. 

892
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,200
You can't just you, you can't 
come on and just say you hate 

893
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,480
Delves. 
That's dismissive. 

894
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:22,080
I need you to find out, like 
think of what about them would 

895
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,800
need to be changed for you to 
enjoy them. 

896
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,400
And I really put some thought 
into that. 

897
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,760
I gave it a lot of thought 
because I'm a little bit afraid 

898
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:30,960
of Manny. 
I don't want to get kicked off 

899
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,200
the show, but also because I 
feel like Delves deserve that. 

900
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,520
So much of this game, I enjoy, 
it consumes my life. 

901
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,520
I can put this effort in. 
And Lex, you mentioned something

902
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,160
that that that initially came to
mind, Horrific Visions. 

903
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,840
I am on the record of saying 
Horrific Visions are the best 

904
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,520
solo player content Blizzard has
ever designed. 

905
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:50,920
So I thought to myself, what 
about Horrific Visions that I 

906
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,080
like? 
And it was a combination of two 

907
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,360
things. 
The the mask system where you 

908
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,880
could put on more masks for a 
risk reward. 

909
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,880
Like I remember back in BFA, 
you're like, I'm just going to 

910
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,960
go to sanity 90 and I'll just 
deal with the thing from beyond.

911
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:08,160
F it. 
I want all this power and the 

912
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,280
timer that that timer, whether 
it's your sanity meter or what 

913
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,080
it is that made a difference. 
Would those things make delves 

914
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,520
better for me? 
Maybe I might enjoy them more, 

915
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,920
but then are they delves anymore
or are they now just horrific 

916
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:26,280
visions with a friend? 
And would that ruin the Delve 

917
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,280
experience for everybody who 
likes it because you can get up 

918
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,640
and walk away from your desk 
while doing them? 

919
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,640
Probably. 
So I, I think ultimately, if, 

920
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,480
if, if they just had the 
inclusion of some puzzles, and I

921
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,600
don't mean those string puzzles 
that you have to untangle, which

922
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,280
for the record, whichever 
developer Blizzard does those, I

923
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,760
love you. 
They're amazing, fascinating 

924
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,080
with you. 
Thank you so much. 

925
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,920
But not just those, but like, 
I'm thinking like, you know, 

926
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,040
puzzles where you're like, you 
have to flip a switch and then 

927
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,600
flip another switch in a 
different order. 

928
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,040
Or those chests, you guys have 
those chests and Tortas where it

929
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,120
was like you had to figure out 
which switch turned off which 

930
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,520
number rune and and like work 
through. 

931
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,160
And they weren't just it wasn't 
simple. 

932
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,720
Those weren't easy. 
I always felt so smart solving 

933
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,720
one of those threw a couple of 
those in there. 

934
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:14,960
But no, don't let me go to the 
next room till I can do that. 

935
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,160
I don't know, and I don't even 
know. 

936
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,080
Maybe that won't. 
Maybe that won't do it because 

937
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:24,240
maybe the the act of having to 
fight enemies as a tank where 

938
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,600
the enemies have a ton of health
and I'm just waiting for them to

939
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,600
be dead just isn't ever going to
be fun. 

940
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,760
Tor gas did modify enemies based
on what roles you had and I 

941
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,680
think that can be added into 
delves quite easily considering 

942
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,480
that the technology has already 
been used. 

943
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:47,040
I do like your want for puzzles.
I I always felt that delves 

944
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,240
because they were not time 
constrained because you could go

945
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:53,480
do it by yourself or go with a 
group that isn't pushing to get 

946
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,600
it done in the next 15 seconds. 
Should have allowed for like 

947
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,200
more things that like challenged
you in ways that other content 

948
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,960
wouldn't allow, like platform 
jumping or or like doing those 

949
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:10,240
those puzzles. 
So, but like, again, that's you 

950
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,800
and I who don't have particular 
funnels for the rest of our 

951
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,440
gameplay. 
That's true. 

952
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,440
I don't and and for the for the 
record, fast, if you are 

953
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,080
listening, I do not want you to.
I don't want ever there to ever 

954
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,640
be a conversation that says, 
Hey, we need to make sure that 

955
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,520
mythic plusers and mythic 
Raiders really love delves. 

956
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:31,760
So let's let's figure like don't
we don't matter and then talk to

957
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,560
the delve people find out what 
they want. 

958
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,160
But platforming is great. 
And then I can I can I can hear 

959
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,440
the comments of like, oh, well, 
demon hunters would make 

960
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,000
platforming irrelevant. 
OK, cool. 

961
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:43,200
They then they get easy 
platforming because they chose 

962
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,120
to be a Demon Hunter. 
Let them enjoy their double 

963
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,400
jumpy zoom life. 
That's that's their choice. 

964
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,920
One thing I do want to quickly 
point out is that we're talking 

965
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,680
about how we want more things 
that like makes solo content and

966
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,960
world content unique in Delves. 
We started this whole 

967
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:03,360
conversation with Manny talking 
about how like the, you know, 

968
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,840
the underwater breathing and the
candles and stuff really sucked.

969
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,560
That was something that makes 
world content unique, which is 

970
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,160
not the only thing. 
I do also agree I was kind of a 

971
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,920
little bit frustrated with it at
the end. 

972
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,200
I. 
Yeah, that. 

973
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,520
That did suck like that 
underwater breathing. 

974
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,880
Yeah, that was, that was, that 
was a pain and it was it was 

975
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,240
convoluted. 
I did not like that. 

976
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,760
I do think I, I, I also wanted 
to feel a little bit more like 

977
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,840
open world, like I, I wanted to 
have that open world content 

978
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,520
vibe that, you know, puzzle 
doing like things that aren't 

979
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:42,800
just hit enemy with sword. 
I do think one of the chronic 

980
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:47,320
issues with delves and maybe if 
they make it look and feel a 

981
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,840
little bit more serious, we 
won't have this. 

982
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,560
But I don't know if that's true.
And I, I worried this is going 

983
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,880
to happen when delves came out, 
and I think to some degree it is

984
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,080
still true. 
Is that the World of Warcraft 

985
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,560
community as a whole is so used 
to open world contact, meaning 

986
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:08,160
face roll that we expect the 
delve equals face rule 2 and 

987
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:13,080
anytime it doesn't anytime it's 
not just go in blast through get

988
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:17,400
gear, push back occurs and then 
it gets nerfed into the ground. 

989
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,360
I we saw that with the you know,
tier elevens giving gilded and 

990
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,920
now all of a sudden they're, you
know, babies first delve, not 

991
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,320
really tier 11 is there's 
there's still challenge. 

992
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,920
I don't mean to be rude and also
be aware of the fact that yes, 

993
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,440
like we are all Raiders. 
We are all doing higher level 

994
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,320
stuff. 
So the level that delves that is

995
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,520
not where any three of us should
be at. 

996
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,760
But like delves themselves allow
for progression. 

997
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,360
So even if we are getting 
outside gear right, somebody who

998
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:55,040
is able to complete a three gear
easily should then find a step 

999
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,720
up in 4-5 and so forth. 
So like eventually you should be

1000
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:03,120
able to, depending on your the 
speed that you activate to it, 

1001
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,320
you should be able to use the 
things that you get from an 8 to

1002
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,560
beat the 9 to beat the 10 and 
finally conquer the 11. 

1003
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:15,600
And like, I think delves in 
general don't have the same 

1004
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,120
thing that you see in raids and 
mythic plus, where like once you

1005
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,600
get beyond this point, suddenly 
there's an affix. 

1006
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,480
And maybe that's something that 
like they could put into delves 

1007
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,800
to like show that further 
graduation is that like, hey, 

1008
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:33,520
you don't have to deal with as 
many of these. 

1009
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,440
What we're we were calling is 
gimmicks, but mechanics at lower

1010
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,040
levels. 
And rather than it just being 

1011
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,400
beat your face down harder at 
the high levels, you now have 

1012
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,960
more mechanics that would 
challenge you. 

1013
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:51,760
And so if you have yourself and 
two players, maybe you all have 

1014
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,960
to hit the switches in a within 
a particular time. 

1015
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:59,240
But if it's just you, you get 
the time to walk between the 

1016
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:02,560
switches to, to hit them in the 
right order, right? 

1017
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:08,080
Like that sort of stuff can like
scale with group size and like 

1018
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,960
you can ask for coordination or 
you can just get your, your, 

1019
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:18,320
your companion, right, your 
delve companion, where it's much

1020
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,000
like, again, we're going back to
visions where you get to the 

1021
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,000
gate. 
It's like we have to press these

1022
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,400
at the same time. 
And then the NBC will press 1 

1023
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,680
and you'll press another. 
And then if it's you and a 

1024
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,680
player, well, then you have to 
coordinate or get it within that

1025
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,120
same window. 
So I think there are options for

1026
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,320
it. 
I just don't think that they 

1027
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,200
they've explored ones that 
aren't just like like honestly, 

1028
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:43,560
the the candles and the 
breathing are annoying because 

1029
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,720
it is a restriction on your 
play, not a challenge that you 

1030
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:50,520
can do after you've kind of 
cleared out the area. 

1031
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,240
It's oh, I'm running out of here
and I got to run to here and now

1032
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,160
those the harpooner drags me 
back. 

1033
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,880
So I start drowning and dying 
and man this feels stupid and 

1034
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,360
annoying and punishing and not 
me playing my character. 

1035
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,600
Yeah, yeah. 
Well, and I, I, the more I think

1036
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,200
about this, I really think a 
mask, like a system similar to 

1037
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,160
the masks is the answer to how 
to make delves better. 

1038
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,200
I was even thinking when Sean 
was talking, I was like, if they

1039
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,440
give this a timer that is going 
to that is the reason I don't 

1040
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,640
like Mythic Plus. 
I do not want this on a timer. 

1041
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,840
I do not want that stress, but 
it's primarily solo content. 

1042
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,200
Why can't this be choose your 
own adventure, right? 

1043
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,680
Why can't Sean choose to turn on
the timer and he gets a 

1044
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,120
different, you know, be it 
cosmetic or or be it like Delve 

1045
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,440
internal, right? 
The same way that visions gave 

1046
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,760
you vision currency you could 
use to buy vision stuff, like 

1047
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,800
make it something that you know,
delves the harder you do. 

1048
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,600
You can do things that make that
you buy Delve gear or you buy 

1049
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,000
like Delve stuff, right? 
Why, why can't he choose to turn

1050
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,000
that on and I choose not to put 
that dove mask in and we get to 

1051
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,800
do different things that make us
happy, right. 

1052
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,680
One of the benefits of of single
player play is that we should be

1053
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:05,440
able to or one would expect that
a single player game, you can do

1054
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:11,040
a lot more tweaking without 
worrying about like, oh, but Lex

1055
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,960
would hate if there was a timer.
So like, OK, then just make it 

1056
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,600
optional, right? 
Why can't I make my own choices?

1057
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,080
Why can't I make my own single 
player play feel different? 

1058
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,160
Yeah. 
Does anybody have anything 

1059
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,720
further to add or shall we move 
on? 

1060
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,280
OK. 
We shouldn't stand here any 

1061
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,840
longer. 
We'll summon the Rubens. 

1062
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,720
Next time let's do some harder 
hitting moves. 

1063
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:44,800
You guys so him so much. 
We prepped this segment to 

1064
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,800
saying let's have a fun little 
chat with Dells. 

1065
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:56,480
All right, so on the alpha 
coming this week, maybe up as 

1066
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,160
we're recording this, phase four
of the Midnight Alpha will be 

1067
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:06,200
live and this will take players 
starting at 88 up to 90. 

1068
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:11,680
The caps, we are now reaching 
the level cap of 90 and includes

1069
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,360
the new zone, the Void Storm, 3 
new dungeons, Void Scar Arena, 

1070
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,960
Nexus Point, Zenith, Magister's 
Terrace which has been 

1071
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,400
reimagined from BC. 
We've got 2 new Dells which is 

1072
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,280
the Shadow Guard Point and Sun 
Killer Sanctum PvP is finally 

1073
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,000
getting its time now that we're 
hitting level 90 and so that 

1074
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,080
includes Slayer's Rise PvP zone 
and the instance version which 

1075
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:44,400
is a 40V40 battleground. 
Then the other point is all 

1076
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:50,280
classes should have their Apex 
talents integrated into their 

1077
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,120
spec trees. 
This is great. 

1078
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,400
Some classes have had it from 
the get go, some classes have 

1079
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,680
had it added as we've gone 
through the phases. 

1080
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,240
This is the point where all of 
our classes should have their 

1081
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,280
Apex talents. 
So I'm excited for this. 

1082
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,600
This is when we really start 
digging through those through 

1083
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,360
the classes and seeing what 
they're actually meant to be as 

1084
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,320
a complete package. 
So I'm looking forward to 

1085
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,640
digging into the. 
Alpha here. 

1086
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,640
What about you guys? 
What's your what's your top 

1087
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,760
thing on this list? 
Let's start with you, Lex. 

1088
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,280
So I, I guess I have to say Apex
talents just because I am 

1089
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,120
actively trying to avoid story 
as much as I possibly can in 

1090
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,520
Alpha. 
I don't anticipate like 

1091
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,640
obviously I'm going to get 
spoilers partially because I'm 

1092
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,400
in Alpha, partially because I 
think that's I, I've come to 

1093
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,720
understand that's part of my 
role as a content creator, 

1094
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,080
right? 
Like I need to be getting that 

1095
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,600
early information so I can 
record things right when they 

1096
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,480
come out and I can jump right in
and have that knowledge. 

1097
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,840
But by and large, like what I've
been doing right now as I've 

1098
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,600
been going in, I've been talking
to the person who boosts me up 

1099
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,880
as high as they'll boost me, and
I just go play Delves and, you 

1100
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,560
know, follow our dungeons and 
stuff like that. 

1101
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,080
So I get that information. 
I can still do the alpha, but I 

1102
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,800
don't touch story. 
So yeah. 

1103
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,000
And I guess I'm excited to play.
I'm excited to play more Delves.

1104
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,440
I've actually not been doing 
many dungeons, so I should get 

1105
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:16,240
into that. 
I guess. 

1106
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,080
I'm excited to do dungeons. 
Manny, let's do much more 

1107
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,560
dungeons. 
OK, OK, we'll get we'll to track

1108
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,080
down a tank and we'll we can do 
that. 

1109
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,240
I've actually been healing 
dungeons because shaman resto 

1110
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:32,520
shaman is is in a state. 
So yeah, we can we can do that. 

1111
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,000
Sean. 
OK, you're pointing at yourself,

1112
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,200
so you clearly want to Give your
opinion. 

1113
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,960
What are you looking forward to 
in Thanks. 

1114
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,840
He's excited. 
To tank, but Dang, since we. 

1115
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,400
Were talking. 
About a good tank. 

1116
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:53,040
Oh my, listen, Lex, there are 
only 46 protection paladins in 

1117
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,280
the world who have killed Mythic
Demensius. 

1118
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,600
And I'm sorry, that's not true. 
There's 51 now, but I am the 

1119
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,840
46th. 
I was the 46th 1 to kill him. 

1120
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,760
That makes, I mean, I'm good. 
He's. 

1121
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,160
Happened to be on the team. 
No more than 46 Protection 

1122
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:09,560
paladins. 
No, no, no. 

1123
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,560
Sean's saying that he killed 
dementias with a garbage class, 

1124
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:19,480
so you know he's a good tank. 
Sean is not saying that Prop 

1125
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,320
Paladin is great. 
Don't believe the rumors, 

1126
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,040
they're not dead. 
I am most looking forward to 

1127
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,520
Listener who is waiting for us 
to get to the point being level 

1128
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,040
90 and actually getting to test 
out some classes. 

1129
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,440
I hope they have an option to 
make a Max level character. 

1130
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,160
I fear that will be next week's 
build and not this week's build,

1131
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,680
so I'll have to level them up. 
But that's OK, I'll level them 

1132
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,720
up and that's only two levels. 
That should be fast. 

1133
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,280
But I'm looking forward to that 
testing index sounds and 

1134
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,480
obviously the dungeons. 
I love the dungeons I mean. 

1135
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,000
They're testing the 
battlegrounds. 

1136
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,000
Either they're gonna shift. 
You there's not gonna be 80 

1137
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,120
people on the alpha to test the 
battleground. 

1138
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,240
But that is genuinely a concern.
They're going to be a big invite

1139
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,520
of a bunch of very PvP centric 
people. 

1140
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,040
There better be that Brawl with 
the Blues to get people in on 

1141
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:17,320
like particular days to test it.
But I was saying that the PvP 

1142
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:22,520
testing may allow, may get them 
to make 90 premades. 

1143
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,800
So you might actually get your 
90 premades. 

1144
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,400
We'll see that. 
'D be nice. 

1145
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,040
As for me, yeah, like I I do 
think that you're both right. 

1146
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,480
Dungeons, Max level characters 
and testing the the full 

1147
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,840
package. 
Like I was saying, I am 

1148
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:41,800
interested in the void storm 
just because we just had Koresh 

1149
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,840
and I feel like there's a lot of
overlap there. 

1150
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,480
So I want to see how the world 
builders have made this 

1151
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,200
different and maybe it will 
inform like how Koresh was like 

1152
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,840
affected, like give a little bit
of that story that world 

1153
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,600
development. 
So I'm interested in this zone 

1154
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,040
and it's world development 
there. 

1155
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,200
So to give a different answer, 
yeah, Void storm, new zone. 

1156
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,240
Let's see, let's see what they 
they're cooking because the team

1157
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:10,600
has been doing some beautiful, 
beautiful stuff for everybody 

1158
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:16,000
who has seen anything out of the
last phase, the root lands, the 

1159
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:21,480
harandar like wow, that is a 
gorgeous zone. 

1160
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:26,000
And so let's see what they do 
with the with the void storm. 

1161
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:31,400
With that said, Sean, would you 
like to take the next segment? 

1162
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:33,840
Yeah, I'd love to, Manny. 
I'd love to. 

1163
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:36,960
This is the part of the show 
where we would like to say a 

1164
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,200
special heartfelt thanks to all 
of our patrons for Azeroth. 

1165
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,920
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However, if you enjoy the 

1166
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,920
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1167
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,760
at patreon.com/faz Discord if 
you don't want to subscribe to 

1168
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,960
the Patreon. 
I get it, I'm on Patreon, I 

1169
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,520
hardly ever use it. 
Makes sense to me. 

1170
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,280
But you can also join us at Bit 
dot LY slash Faz Discord. 

1171
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,160
Because the three of us are very
much like Tinkerbell. 

1172
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,240
We require applause to live. 
So pop in, say hi, let us know 

1173
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,960
what you think of the show, tell
us how horrible you hate this 

1174
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,240
segment whenever Manny lets me 
do it, or tell us that you love 

1175
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:10,920
it. 
Either way, please clap. 

1176
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,120
With that said, we are going to 
now talk about the UI features 

1177
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,880
with the start of the 4th zone. 
That and hitting level 90, we 

1178
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,560
are going to be accessing 
everything that the base game 

1179
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,880
has outside of the end game. 
Pillars of Mythic plus top level

1180
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,880
delves. 
And rating of course right? 

1181
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,720
Rating. 
I can't forget rating and the UI

1182
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,040
needs to support that. 
Over the last couple of weeks, 

1183
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,640
we've been talking about the 
various changes that they've 

1184
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,360
done to the API, and we really 
want to now take some time to 

1185
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:51,360
talk about the things that we 
think the UI really needs with 

1186
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,560
the launch of Midnight to get it
up to a workable level. 

1187
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,400
These are not our wants. 
These are not a, this is not a 

1188
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,960
wish list of things that would 
make everything perfect. 

1189
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:05,720
These are the things that we 
consider Dire needs to make the 

1190
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,440
UI up to snuff. 
So starting with rate frames, 

1191
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,200
Sean, you have this one. 
Yeah. 

1192
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,880
So at a minimum, and this, there
are some changes coming to the 

1193
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,200
UI with this alpha build. 
The build is not live as of this

1194
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,320
recording. 
And I don't know if it was a 

1195
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,880
fever dream or if I read 
somewhere that there are some 

1196
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:24,960
things coming that are going to 
be good. 

1197
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,160
But as a minimum there, we know 
they're doing a rate frame 

1198
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:33,280
rework, but we need to be able 
to determine what buffs and 

1199
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,040
debuffs we track on the rate 
frames. 

1200
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,960
So we need to be able to 
whitelist and blacklist debuffs 

1201
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,000
on the raid frames. 
This is going to be mostly 

1202
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,000
targeted to healers because this
is who's going to impact the 

1203
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,320
most. 
And when I say buffs, I mean 

1204
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,120
things like Atonement and 
Regrowth and Life Bloom. 

1205
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,680
Let the healers not just choose 
which ones they want to track, 

1206
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:54,120
but where they position them on 
the raid frame so that they are 

1207
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:55,760
always looking at the same thing
every time. 

1208
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:00,560
It's so important right now. 
If you have too many Dots, sorry

1209
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,720
too many Hots applied to a 
single player on the current 

1210
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,960
raid frames, it just doesn't 
show some of them so you have no

1211
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,880
way of knowing that's the 
current rate frames. 

1212
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,280
So that is a bare minimum as 
well. 

1213
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,800
It will be. 
We like allow us to whitelist 

1214
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,080
and blacklist what buffs and 
debuffs we track, but also the 

1215
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,920
position and size of those 
debuffs. 

1216
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,920
At a minimum, a nice to have is 
changing the color of the 

1217
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:28,440
nameplate based on a dispellable
debuff that's on them. 

1218
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,600
So if it's a poison or a magic 
curse, having the ability to 

1219
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,000
change the colors and plates. 
But if we are able to choose 

1220
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,520
that, that's a nice to have. 
That makes it, that makes it a 

1221
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,320
lot easier. 
But as long as we can track the 

1222
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,200
debuff specifically, then that 
becomes not a mandatory piece, 

1223
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:45,960
but more of a a nice to have 
piece. 

1224
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,680
But they the raid frames and by 
consequence the party frames as 

1225
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,480
well. 
It we know a rework is coming. 

1226
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,360
So it's I'm really hesitant to 
say, hey, this needs to be done 

1227
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:56,720
because it may already be in the
pipeline. 

1228
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,360
Blizzard unfortunately to date 
hasn't told us what they plan 

1229
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,320
for the raid frames, just that 
they are making changes to them.

1230
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:08,840
But they that absolutely has to 
be in there, play Raider healers

1231
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,920
in a raid need to be able to 
quick identify who needs to be 

1232
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,560
dispelled. 
What players do I need to put my

1233
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,800
buffs on to make sure that we're
getting them. 

1234
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,160
And then it also not just 
healers, but it also works for 

1235
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,920
like Preservation Evokers. 
They need to know who they're 

1236
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,600
putting presents on. 
They designed this class with 

1237
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,240
the ability to apply presents to
specific people. 

1238
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,200
We want to be able to see who 
it's on. 

1239
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,200
And you have to track that 
through the raid frames. 

1240
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,160
So those are just some examples,
but that absolutely is a must 

1241
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:42,479
have for the for Midnight. 
That's a big thing like as of 

1242
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:46,080
this point we don't know what 
blizzards priorities are. 

1243
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,319
We don't know what blizzards 
timeline is we we don't know 

1244
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:54,080
exactly what they have planned. 
So this is really just us going 

1245
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,359
off of the best information we 
have at this time. 

1246
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,720
Moving on from the raid frames, 
the cooldown manager is 

1247
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,840
something that both you and lex 
have something for I'm going to 

1248
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,319
let you give your first one then
we'll go to lex and then you can

1249
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:09,359
give your second one Sean. 
So Sean, what is your first ask 

1250
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,720
for the for? 
Sure, I'm actually going to flip

1251
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,840
the order them because this sort
of goes along with the rate 

1252
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,080
frames. 
The cool down manager needs some

1253
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:22,240
way to track buffs and debuffs 
with white and blacklisting. 

1254
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,479
So we now have some and this is 
the thing. 

1255
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,040
I thought I read them. 
I thought I read that they're 

1256
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,680
adding buffs to the cool down 
manager, but I may have dreamt 

1257
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,760
it last night. 
But then we need to be able to. 

1258
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,960
I would like to be able to also 
fundamentally choose what buffs 

1259
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,880
are tracked by the by the 
cooldown manager. 

1260
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,000
But if we can't choose from all 
buffs, then let us. 

1261
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,680
No, you got to let us choose 
because you just don't know. 

1262
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,479
You don't let us choose our 
buffs, but our debuffs. 

1263
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,840
There's no right now the only 
way to track debuffs in the game

1264
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:52,880
is the debuffs next to your mini
map icon, which is not great 

1265
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:57,320
because you've got things like 
Time Warp on there or any long 

1266
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,720
debuffs that aren't really 
relevant in the middle of 

1267
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,440
combat. 
You really want to track those 

1268
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:04,520
short debuffs in combat and we 
don't have any way to do that. 

1269
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,320
You have a bleed on you. 
You have a cursor on you. 

1270
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,080
The only way to know now is to 
look at the mini map and you can

1271
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,480
use the edit mode to move those 
debuffs. 

1272
01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:14,400
But again, you have all of these
extra debuffs that aren't 

1273
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,280
relevant and the same with their
buffs in the top right. 

1274
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,400
There's it's just not not 
relevant. 

1275
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,360
It's not a good way to parse 
that information. 

1276
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,920
So we need a way to whitelist 
and blacklist buffs and debuffs 

1277
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,640
in the cooldown manager. 
Cool down manager does allow for

1278
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,440
some buff tracking. 
Right now I would like that it 

1279
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,280
be opened up and let us select 
anything from any buff that we 

1280
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,960
could possibly have Let us track
it because right now that I 

1281
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,360
don't have that option. 
I don't know if I have iron bark

1282
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,560
like if I get an external from a
healer, there's no way for me to

1283
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,240
track that other than the mini 
map which has 45 buffs. 

1284
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,120
I have 45 buffs right now. 
I got to look and see if one and

1285
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:55,920
they're all moving all the time.
They just keep moving. 

1286
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,400
They just it's like I'm in a 
swarm of bees. 

1287
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:03,280
So they need to let us, they 
need to look that we need, there

1288
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,520
needs to be a way for us to 
track that. 

1289
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,840
And I understand you want to 
remove complexity from the game,

1290
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,360
but some of those people like 
it's as a tank, you can't do 

1291
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,040
your job correctly if you don't 
know. 

1292
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,720
Do I have an external now? 
Do I have to send a defensive? 

1293
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,600
That kind of coordination and 
communication needs to happen 

1294
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,880
visually on the screen. 
That's my first one for the 

1295
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:26,840
cooldown manager. 
OK, Lex, for your want for the 

1296
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:31,720
Kodai manager, what do you have?
So I think we need alerts based 

1297
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:36,600
on resources that we have. 
Things like rage, fury, mana. 

1298
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,760
Presumably. 
This might be Demon Hunter 

1299
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,160
specific. 
I haven't played that many 

1300
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:46,720
classes, but I feel like I'm 
constantly having abilities that

1301
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,640
I only cast when I am building 
right. 

1302
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,560
Things like the point of this is
to build or on the flip side, I 

1303
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,800
do not want to cast this right 
now because they don't have 

1304
01:11:55,800 --> 01:12:00,080
enough resources and I I need to
to wait until I build more. 

1305
01:12:00,440 --> 01:12:03,880
And to my memory that is not 
something I can do with the 

1306
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,560
cooldown manager right now. 
I can't have things turn on to 

1307
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,680
like, OK, this is going to pop 
up if you don't have. 

1308
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,000
I mean, what I really want is I 
want deep interaction ability, 

1309
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:15,400
right? 
I don't know, I don't think 

1310
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,400
that's ever going to happen. 
But usually I have stacking 

1311
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,960
requirements on my tell me when 
like this is only going to pop 

1312
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,840
up if I do not have this buff 
and I am under this percent and 

1313
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,520
I need this like I would like 
that. 

1314
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,440
But at the very least I need it 
to be like, OK, this is only 

1315
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:31,080
going to pop up if you're under 
40 ferry. 

1316
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,840
Definitely other classes do use 
that. 

1317
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,160
Anybody who plays like Elemental
Shaman or even Enhanced Shaman, 

1318
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,160
making sure that you don't 
overcap on Maelstrom is a is a 

1319
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:46,640
part of the skill expression. 
So sending something at 8:00 

1320
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,880
because you don't want to 
suddenly GCD and go to 11 when 

1321
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,560
you and waste a proc is part of 
part of it. 

1322
01:12:54,720 --> 01:13:01,440
Or when you want to, you know, 
that you can send a earth shock 

1323
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:04,680
or elemental blast followed by 
the the empowered earthquake, 

1324
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,120
you need to make sure that 
you're above a certain threshold

1325
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,960
that allows you to spend both of
them in succession. 

1326
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,880
So like, yeah, there are 
multiple classes that do it. 

1327
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,240
I'm just talking about elemental
shaman. 

1328
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,320
But there are times where I, 
like, I'm playing on my warrior 

1329
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,520
as a protection warrior. 
And Sean would know more about 

1330
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,680
this than I, I do. 
But like I want to have like a 

1331
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:29,400
safe pool so that I can be ready
for a defensive for maybe 

1332
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,400
something that's coming up. 
And hey, when I'm above a 

1333
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,640
certain point, yeah, now I want 
to start spending what I 

1334
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,520
consider extra rage. 
But below a certain point I want

1335
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:44,920
to be like, okay, conserve. 
So I do very much think that 

1336
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,640
this is something that is part 
of the game. 

1337
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,360
And yes, there is there is a 
chance that they could simplify 

1338
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,760
it enough that you could track 
that manually. 

1339
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,480
But I also think that the game 
should just intuitively give you

1340
01:13:57,480 --> 01:14:00,200
that information because it just
makes for a better intuitive 

1341
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:05,520
play. 
It makes for people able to like

1342
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,120
feel their character more than 
just like tracking the HUD. 

1343
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:17,720
It's the the resource, the 
personal resources are in dire 

1344
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,640
need of help that right now on 
Brewmasters, the stagger bar 

1345
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,160
only goes up to 100%. 
So if you're staggered at 

1346
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,080
anything above 100%, it's a 
guess. 

1347
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,280
There is no way for you to know 
from the base you are. 

1348
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:31,040
That's a great, that's a great 
show to Lex. 

1349
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:36,960
Maelstrom Weapon, which is the 
core resource for Enhancement 

1350
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:41,480
Shaman, is a buff that gets lost
in the 45. 

1351
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:46,080
Oh, the the the buff situation 
is monstrous. 

1352
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,680
They call everything a buff like
somebody's got it. 

1353
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,320
If if we want to simplify 
something, girls simplify that 

1354
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:55,800
what is happening? 
Which is Sean's first act, but 

1355
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,080
going to Sean's second ask what 
do you got? 

1356
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,160
Yeah #2 CVS. 
So we're still talking Cooldown 

1357
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,440
manager here #2 Right now I'd 
like to be able to track my 

1358
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:07,840
racials and my trinkets. 
The only way for me to know if 

1359
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:11,400
these are on cooldown is by 
looking at an action bar. 

1360
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,680
And the only way to know if I 
have the buff for either of them

1361
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,720
active is to to look at the 
action bar and see is it on 

1362
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:23,200
cooldown in the window while I 
have it available now and or do 

1363
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,400
I see the buff in the top? 
It's there's just not, we're not

1364
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,480
tracking them. 
I guess it's just, and you're 

1365
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,800
going to have to update that. 
This is like, I think 

1366
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:32,840
fundamentally the cooldown 
manager. 

1367
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,880
I would love to see it have an 
implementation where you can 

1368
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:41,240
shift click from the spell book 
or from an item or drag and drop

1369
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,600
things into it to track it. 
I I think it's too much to ask 

1370
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,960
people to go and look up item 
IDs and spell IDs. 

1371
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,200
But if we had some way to drag 
and drop things in there. 

1372
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,480
So next season when I get new 
trinkets I don't have to wait 

1373
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:54,600
for Blizzard to implement them. 
I can just drag and drop them 

1374
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,360
in. 
Or if I decide to run old 

1375
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,240
trinkets because I am a a time 
runner and I want to build 

1376
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,560
myself a time walking set and 
I'm running old trinkets, I 

1377
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,120
don't want to have to be just 
lost now because they're gone. 

1378
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,520
I'd like to be able to drag and 
drop that stuff in that 

1379
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,480
functionality to bring it 
closer. 

1380
01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:12,600
To tell me when and closer to 
what we cores provides would be 

1381
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,800
massive. 
Giving the players agency over 

1382
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,360
it. 
You can still suggest an 

1383
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,840
offering like they do now, just 
like you do with starter build. 

1384
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,120
You suggest starter talents, but
here's your suggested starter 

1385
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,560
cool down manager and you have 
that, you know, this is what we 

1386
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,640
suggest, but giving us the 
option to add in the things that

1387
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:34,000
you may be didn't think that 
that we want to track or that 

1388
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,600
you just forgot about. 
You know what, it happens. 

1389
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,200
That will be huge. 
But yeah, we need to be able to.

1390
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:44,600
We need to be able to track our 
racials and our trinkets, 

1391
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,760
please. 
Unless they're removing 

1392
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:48,440
trinkets. 
Are they just making all 

1393
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:49,720
trinkets passive? 
Yes. 

1394
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:51,640
I'm also listen. 
I'm also for. 

1395
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:52,800
That I will not. 
I will. 

1396
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,880
Please, I'm begging you. 
Get to you. 

1397
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,840
They're not, but I do think that
they need to remove the trinkets

1398
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,840
that have those weird. 
I've got to count the stack sort

1399
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:04,520
of thing and know when to pop 
this. 

1400
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:09,680
There's there were a couple that
were in even the latest raid and

1401
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,960
that were like, oh, this thing 
goes up to 20 stacks. 

1402
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:17,160
And then when you, when you 
click the button like you can 

1403
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,160
expend the stack. 
So you have to like watch and be

1404
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,040
like, Oh, have I hit 20 stacks? 
I better click the button to 

1405
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:25,400
expend those stacks because now 
I'm wasting getting more stacks.

1406
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,320
Or I remember one from like 
Dragonflight where it was like, 

1407
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,520
hey, if you do this, you'd get 
stacks of this. 

1408
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,880
And if you if you do this, you 
get stacks of this, but you 

1409
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,240
start losing the other stacks. 
And so your entire thing was 

1410
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,400
balancing the stacks, which is 
the most complicated trinket 

1411
01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:43,880
ever on top of everything that 
the game expected of us. 

1412
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:48,520
No more of those trinkets. 
Just regardless of what we're 

1413
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:53,160
tracking, that is a weak ore 
trinket and I don't want it 

1414
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:58,640
anymore. 
Moving on from Cooldown Manager,

1415
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:03,360
we have nameplates. 
There was a really good video 

1416
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,760
put out by Sean about the 
nameplates, and I will throw 

1417
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,320
those into the show notes. 
But Sean, you have some 

1418
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:11,320
additional asks for the 
nameplates. 

1419
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:12,720
So do you want to go through 
these? 

1420
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:14,760
Yeah, I'm going to start at the 
bottom. 

1421
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,080
This is a trend. 
You guys may expect it. 

1422
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,120
I'd like to be able to white and
blacklist the buffs and debuffs 

1423
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:21,800
that we're tracking on the 
nameplates. 

1424
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,680
So right now Blue Jet has a set 
number of your debuffs that are 

1425
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,160
applied to the enemy that it 
tracks and they've chosen what 

1426
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:29,920
to do it. 
For Paladin, it's Judgement, for

1427
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,840
example. 
I don't care about Judgement, 

1428
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:33,240
but there are other things I 
might care about. 

1429
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:34,800
I might care about Avengers 
Shields and if there's still 

1430
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,040
silence, I actually think that 
does track in the share. 

1431
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:40,920
It's easy, but let me white and 
blacklist what debuffs on track,

1432
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:45,080
debuffs on tracking from myself 
and what buffs the enemies have.

1433
01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:50,360
It's just that that player 
agency like granularity. 

1434
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,720
If I played Pro Warrior right 
now, I can almost guarantee 

1435
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,480
they're tracking a dozen things 
I don't care about and probably 

1436
01:18:55,480 --> 01:18:58,280
one or two things that I do, but
there's no way to select which 

1437
01:18:58,280 --> 01:18:59,920
ones I see on that name play 
bar. 

1438
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,040
It's all or nothing, which is a 
problem we're going to talk 

1439
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:06,640
about coming up as well, the all
or nothing mentality. 

1440
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,320
So that's the number one. 
That's the only one that I think

1441
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,480
is is super desperate and dire 
right now. 

1442
01:19:11,480 --> 01:19:15,800
The next one I want to talk 
about is actually able to be 

1443
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:20,920
solved with an add on currently 
that is being developed that I 

1444
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,760
have had hands on with, but it 
is health park. 

1445
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,760
I I think it should be 
functionality built into the 

1446
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:29,960
game because it is, it's going 
to be one of those things Ian 

1447
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,080
said. 
I don't want there to be an add 

1448
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,040
on that is mandatory that we're 
not providing a solution for. 

1449
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,120
And it's the health bars 
changing color based on aggro. 

1450
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,520
So right now there's an add on 
called Platinator made by the 

1451
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,440
same guy that is Bagnator that 
is being developed actively for 

1452
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,480
midnight, but it's also 
available to be used in retail 

1453
01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:53,560
in in Legion remix and nothing 
it does in remix. 

1454
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:55,840
Everything it does in remix it 
can do in midnight. 

1455
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,840
He's making it like he's 
including the midnight 

1456
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,320
restrictions in the in the in 
the version. 

1457
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,640
It now allows you to to change 
the nameplate color based on 

1458
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,520
threat. 
So instead of all the bars being

1459
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:09,800
red all the time, they can now 
change based on who has aggro. 

1460
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,640
Whether it's you as a tank or 
your Co tank in a raid or if one

1461
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,720
of your DPS has it. 
And same if you're ADPS or 

1462
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,280
healer. 
But that should be built in 

1463
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,720
functionality. 
That is for anybody playing the 

1464
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,760
There is such a huge difference 
in the game as a tank for 

1465
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,440
instantly knowing who has 
threat. 

1466
01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:27,360
And you need to know that 
especially if you get higher in 

1467
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,920
dungeons. 
And if if the goal is for the 

1468
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,560
name plate, add on that the in 
the in game name plate 

1469
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:37,080
functionality to let players 
bridge that gap to compete at 

1470
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,120
that same level. 
We have to give them this 

1471
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:43,080
functionality because the 
current threat identifier is not

1472
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:44,840
good. 
It's red, the plates are red. 

1473
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:48,080
Everything's just a sea of red. 
So health bars changing color, 

1474
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,320
but it's not doom and gloom 
because if Blizzard doesn't 

1475
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:52,880
implement it, then I'm just 
going to tell everybody who 

1476
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,600
install that plater, you know, 
I'm, I'm certain plater will 

1477
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,120
come up with a similar but 
platinator. 

1478
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,240
I'll just tell everybody to 
install that and that'll be the 

1479
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:03,520
case. 
And the last one for name 

1480
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,200
blades. 
And this is something Blizzard 

1481
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:10,320
has not been super clear on 
their intentions. 

1482
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,320
So this might be something that 
they no longer want us to have 

1483
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,840
the ability to do. 
They may consider this a bridge 

1484
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:21,320
too far, but it is the ability 
to change the enemy, the enemy 

1485
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:26,400
name colors based on like 
specific criteria. 

1486
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,400
So the example I'll use is 
making all caster nameplates 

1487
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:34,440
green and making all Lieutenant 
nameplates purple, making, you 

1488
01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:37,160
know, being able to change them 
so that at a glance, you know 

1489
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,520
what is in a pack, you know, OK,
these are the enemies with cast 

1490
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,680
bars or with, with, with with 
spells. 

1491
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,960
So I'm going to have to watch 
them for kicks because right now

1492
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,920
there's no way to tell that 
outside of the naming 

1493
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:54,560
convention, which is not always 
fully clear, or the, the shape 

1494
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,720
and size of the models, which is
not. 

1495
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,880
That's not a reasonable thing to
expect people to to tell so big.

1496
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:03,360
But but Blizzard hasn't said 
whether or not they intend for 

1497
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,960
us to be able to do that. 
They may think that changing the

1498
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:10,040
nameplate colors based on the 
mob type is too far too much. 

1499
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,240
And so we don't, we just don't 
know their intention. 

1500
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:17,040
I'm working under the assumption
that they also recognize that 

1501
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,520
being able to tell at a glance 
instantly whether a pack has 

1502
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,800
where, how many casters a pack 
has, and how many you know non 

1503
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:27,480
casters it has is a is a an 
advantage and something you want

1504
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:28,760
us to do. 
You don't want us guessing who's

1505
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,080
going to be casting. 
But that's all I have for name 

1506
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,640
plates. 
It's definitely a conversation 

1507
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,080
that we had prior to the filming
of this episode where if you 

1508
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:41,600
have a bunch of a bunch of 
characters, let's say you're 

1509
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,680
attacking Stormwind and you have
Stormwind mages and Stormwind 

1510
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:49,360
Pike masters and Stormwind 
guards, and then the nameplate 

1511
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:53,080
only has enough room. 
It said it like shortens the end

1512
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:54,640
of it. 
And so all of them will say 

1513
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,960
Stormwind, but you might not 
know what the breakdown is. 

1514
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:03,200
And so then you're focused on 
the models, which can get lost 

1515
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:08,240
in a mob in a swarm and become 
hard to click on. 

1516
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:12,000
And then you're really hoping 
that Blizzard is making sure 

1517
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:16,320
that the animation of like the 
Stormwind Mage is so great that 

1518
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,760
nobody can ignore it. 
And I think that like, yes, you 

1519
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:24,880
could do that, but building in 
the redundancy so that people 

1520
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:29,200
who might not be able to read it
as clearly as the designer 

1521
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,680
intends do have that backup is a
big thing. 

1522
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:39,080
So colored name bars definitely 
help changing the nomenclature. 

1523
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,960
So not everything is where you 
come from. 

1524
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,800
Class or spec is a big thing. 
Like switch it up. 

1525
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,320
Not every troll needs to be 
Zolomon something it could be 

1526
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:53,520
like hex caster of Zolomon if 
you really need to put in 

1527
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:58,040
Zolomon. 
But I think that they need to 

1528
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:04,160
understand that the the problem 
is caused because the name 

1529
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,640
plates aren't quite doing the 
goal. 

1530
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,040
And there's multiple ways of 
doing it, but you should be do 

1531
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,480
it. 
You're trying to like work on 

1532
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:14,000
all of them because not 
everybody is going to be 

1533
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:20,040
benefited by the one solution. 
So that deals with the name 

1534
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,440
plates. 
Going back to Lex, let's talk 

1535
01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:27,600
about the encounter warnings. 
So this need feels I'm almost 

1536
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,200
worried I missed something from 
Blizzard because it feels like 

1537
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,640
they must be planning this in 
encounter warnings. 

1538
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,480
I need to be able to set sound 
customizations. 

1539
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,480
I think it is at minimum once 
arrayed, usually two or three 

1540
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:45,240
bosses that we have a mechanic 
that DVM or whatever has a lower

1541
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,840
like, you know, it's like a 
little like morning and it needs

1542
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,320
to scream at you because it's a 
big deal. 

1543
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,600
And you absolutely have to know 
when that mechanic is coming 

1544
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,520
out. 
I need to be able to go in and I

1545
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,720
need to be able to be like, oh, 
this one I actually want to set 

1546
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,720
to the like blast alarm. 
And I want this sound to be 

1547
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,040
this. 
So that ability to like open up 

1548
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:08,000
a thing and this is the boss. 
And these are the abilities they

1549
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,960
cast. 
How do I want them to Alert me 

1550
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:11,800
of these? 
And I want to be able to set 

1551
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,560
ideally again, high level 
granularity, but the very least 

1552
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:19,040
I need to be able to set the 
warnings audibly to the way that

1553
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:25,880
I I need them to warn me. 
I want this built into the 

1554
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,120
dungeon Journal. 
If I'm clicking through the 

1555
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:31,200
boss's abilities, I want to be 
able to click on it and it's 

1556
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:35,240
like set alert, just build it in
immediately. 

1557
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:37,640
That's what I would like. 
I think that that would be the 

1558
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,880
easiest way and so intuitive. 
It's like, whoa, that looks 

1559
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:42,760
dangerous. 
Right click, set alert. 

1560
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,280
What sound do you want? 
The other part of the sound 

1561
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:51,000
alerts, which is weird, is that 
unless I were to go through and 

1562
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,080
figure out where the sounds come
through, I don't know what 

1563
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,960
channel they come through and I 
need the alerts to be on a 

1564
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,800
separate channel. 
I want to mute people's voices, 

1565
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,520
I want to mute the background 
music, I want to mute all that 

1566
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,400
stuff, but keep alerts at a 
separate volume control and a 

1567
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,760
separate channel. 
They are on their own channel. 

1568
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:10,200
OK. 
Yeah. 

1569
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,240
But all of the alerts are on the
same channel, so you can't have 

1570
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:17,240
the volume control per alert 
like Lex is wanting. 

1571
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,160
But alerts are on their own 
separate audio channel, which is

1572
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,320
huge. 
Good, good, because I couldn't 

1573
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,000
find it at first. 
I was like, I got a what are 

1574
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:26,320
what exactly are these coming 
through? 

1575
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,280
It's not on master. 
I was like, that's weird. 

1576
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,920
The other thing is with sound 
customization and this kind of 

1577
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,880
goes back to cool down manager. 
Maybe I should have thrown this 

1578
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:40,200
in. 
Is that like I, I believe that 

1579
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:46,440
the audio cues need to be done 
not just when things come off of

1580
01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:49,000
cooldown or they're in their 
pandemic. 

1581
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,200
There are so many ways that 
audio cues have been used 

1582
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:56,640
intelligently in game design. 
I've talked about dead, Sorry, 

1583
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,960
you're rather Dead by Daylight 
as a as a game that really uses 

1584
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,760
this audio well. 
But there are classic games that

1585
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,400
use audio well. 
Anybody who's ever played Super 

1586
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,920
Mario and knows the invincible 
star, that is intuitive sound 

1587
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:11,400
design. 
You know when you have it 

1588
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,040
because the sound is going. 
You know when it's ending 

1589
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:17,320
because the way the sound goes 
when it's when it's about to run

1590
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,000
out. 
You don't need to know the 

1591
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,200
exact, oh, when I pick up an 
invincible star, I have 10 

1592
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,760
seconds to run around or 
whatever the time length is. 

1593
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,160
The audio cue gives you all the 
information you need. 

1594
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,640
If you're playing Mega Man and 
you're charging up your shot, 

1595
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,880
it's not just like the visual 
cue, it's an audio cue of like 

1596
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,520
that charge up sound and when it
stops, you're like, OK, I'm 

1597
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:40,320
ready. 
Can I have something like that 

1598
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,040
for like Mayan power spells or 
something along those lines? 

1599
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:47,920
There's a lot of things that, 
like I put it with Cooldown 

1600
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,080
Manager because cooldown is 
dealing with a lot of those 

1601
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,640
abilities, but in general, the 
game, it can do a good job. 

1602
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:59,520
And I think for encounters, 
bosses generally have particular

1603
01:28:00,440 --> 01:28:04,200
lines for particular spells and 
that has helped. 

1604
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:08,160
But every so often you'll get 
like a mad beast that doesn't 

1605
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:09,960
say a word. 
And so I need to know what 

1606
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,120
Screech means what? 
So there's still some work that 

1607
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:20,080
can't that needs to be done. 
Sean, you have the last word on 

1608
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:24,440
encounter warnings. 
Yeah, it's going to sound a lot 

1609
01:28:24,440 --> 01:28:27,720
like things that I wanted for 
the CC manager and for 

1610
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:33,400
nameplates, but it's the ability
to turn on and off warnings 

1611
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,760
based on role. 
Right now, the way the encounter

1612
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:41,160
warnings are set is, and this 
includes DBM and Bigwigs. 

1613
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,480
There is no way for them to turn
off what you get. 

1614
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,080
You get all of it. 
So whatever Blizzard has decided

1615
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,200
goes in that encounter warnings,
it goes to every player. 

1616
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:55,880
So even if there's a mechanic 
that you're like, I'm ADPS, I 

1617
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,400
don't have to worry about this 
is the healer thing. 

1618
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,160
Doesn't matter. 
That's on your encounter 

1619
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,200
warnings. 
I'm a tank and I don't care 

1620
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:02,960
about DPS things. 
Doesn't matter. 

1621
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,280
That's on your encounter 
warnings. 

1622
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:08,720
I would like to be able to to 
set which warnings I want and 

1623
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,800
don't want to see specifically. 
It may be character level, but 

1624
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:15,560
at a role level at the very 
least, so that I don't have to 

1625
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,200
be cluttered with things that I 
don't need. 

1626
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:21,520
We don't need sensory overload. 
A friend of mine made a joke 

1627
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,160
that maybe that's their plan to 
make us not want to use these. 

1628
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,520
So just give us hit us with the 
fire hose and say, oh, you want 

1629
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:28,320
warnings? 
Here you go. 

1630
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,640
Here's all the warnings. 
Obviously not the case. 

1631
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:34,320
That's not what they're doing. 
But yeah, I would like to be the

1632
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,160
ability to turn on and off the 
ones I do and don't want. 

1633
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,600
I want control. 
I I understand it. 

1634
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:47,000
The the the thing about Warcraft
is with 13 classes and was it 39

1635
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:53,040
specs or 42 specs? 
I think it's 39 specs and people

1636
01:29:53,200 --> 01:30:00,960
with varying degrees of ability 
and cognitive load and just 

1637
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,600
everything, accessibility 
features. 

1638
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:06,000
There's no answer that's got. 
Blizzard's not going to be able 

1639
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,080
to give us an out-of-the-box 
thing that works for everyone. 

1640
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,920
You might be able to serve a 
large portion of the population,

1641
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:14,320
but there's going to be so many 
of us who need things just 

1642
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,880
slightly different and all you 
have to do is let us turn things

1643
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,280
on and off. 
That's it. 

1644
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,200
Just give us the option, throw 
in the dungeon journal like 

1645
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:22,680
Manny said, I think that's a 
great idea. 

1646
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:27,760
That is a super elegant way to 
solve how to set these up, But 

1647
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:31,800
we need to be able to do that 
like otherwise it's, it's going 

1648
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,800
to be sensory overload. 
And, and, and we like, we're, 

1649
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,680
we're framing this as, Hey, this
is the stuff we want. 

1650
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:41,520
I want to be super clear. 
If midnight launches without 

1651
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,880
some of these functionalities 
that we've discussed in the last

1652
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:49,600
15 minutes, Pve is going to be 
really, really rough for a lot 

1653
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,720
of people. 
Like exceptionally rough. 

1654
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:56,080
So there needs to be either a 
fix from Blizzard for these or 

1655
01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:01,000
they need to open up enough of 
the API that add on devs can do 

1656
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,600
what add on devs have done for 
20 years and that's filled the 

1657
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:10,240
gaps. 
Well, I hope you guys like these

1658
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:11,800
suggestions. 
If you have suggestions of your 

1659
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:15,200
own, please jump into the 
discord bit dot LY slash fast 

1660
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:17,480
discord and we will hear from 
you. 

1661
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:21,080
Until next time, though, may all
your hits be crits.