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There have been many tales told 
about me, but I'll tell you the 

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truth no one living has heard. 
Once, long, long ago, I was 

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mortal like you. 
Victory for the Forsaken. 

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For Lauderon, for the Kieran 
Tour, for Pandaria. 

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For calendar to. 
The burning region for Gilnaeus 

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that has not died, for the Lich 
King, for the Sindora, for the 

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Alliance, for the Horde, for 
Azeroth. 

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Hello and welcome to another 
episode of For Azeroth. 

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We are doing a dynamic duo today
because Sean is taking a well 

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deserved break as we lead into 
this upcoming convention that 

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we're throwing. 
So for those of you who have not

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heard from the last episode, 
Northrend Live is a it's a 

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combination of creators who've 
come together to put, put this 

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together, including Sean and 
myself, as well as some great 

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backing from Blizzard. 
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of the like housing thing that 
they did in Germany and they've 

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done one in UK and so now we're 
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top of which a bunch of 
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So we've got people from all 
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We've got dark lady coming up 
from Florida to lead with some 

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cosplay. 
We've got Mr. GM coming in from 

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the UK all all over. 
We've got people who are going 

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to be linking in and supporting 
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So we've got like Talias and 
Never Tell and we've got Soul So

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Breezy that'll be competing in 
some stuff and that's going to 

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be really cool. 
But tickets have sold out. 

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I'm going to tell you now, 
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So if you are interested in this
and you haven't gotten a ticket,

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don't worry you can watch 
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This will be on pika.tv or the 
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well. 
We'll be streaming the main 

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event in its entirety and that 
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For those who don't know, but 
let's let's go past all of that.

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That my entire self indulgent 
advertising. 

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Self advertising. 
It's my show. 

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I get to do that, friends. 
I think if you just think really

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cool and exciting and big, 
especially when it affects the 

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community and it sells out, I 
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little bit of a little moment of
like, hey yo, I did a really 

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cool, big, exciting thing and 
it's coming up soon and you guys

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happens once it's done. 
I think it can happen multiple 

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times. 
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hard work for multiple moments, 
you're allowed to have multiple 

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moments where you're like, I'm 
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yeah. 
Yeah, I'm just, I'm just milking

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the fact that Sean is has been 
working himself senseless. 

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And so that's why he needed the 
day off. 

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But that is that's one big thing
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It's been kind of a slow week. 
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question. 
Lex, how's the World of Warcraft

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been treating you? 
I watched fun videos and then I 

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misunderstood the fun videos and
argued with my Guild about them 

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for like an entire day and then 
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realized I miswatched the videos
so that's why I was treating me 

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a little stupid. 
But it's not the World of 

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Warcraft's fault. 
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The big the big news of the week
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This was kind of Warbringer 
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And this one showed a lot of 
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It it showed the subjugation of 
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decides to bend the knee to 
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in his lot with with her the 
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towards the motivations of 
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mystery back story of that. 
But I I love this Lex. 

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Lex did you? 
What were your thoughts about 

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this trailer? 
I thought it was really cool. 

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So I at first misunderstood the 
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moment in Salvador's past where 
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of Koresh, where he he give 
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right and pulls down the 
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Stafa was saying like we don't 
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he's the only one who knows why 
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back when. 
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snarky comments like she wasn't 
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empire at that point. 
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that form. 
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it's it's pretty obvious. 
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So now that that's a side, and I
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Surprise, surprise. 
I thought it was really cool. 

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I have been getting a little bit
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people are putting out, so the 
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interesting and probably the 
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When Zalatoth is talking, I'm 
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Right. 
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Oh yeah, Like spoiler alert. 
Just the official spoiler alert.

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If you haven't watched this, go 
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this, then come back to this 
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I don't know how long we're 
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and spoilers, but we are going 
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there and coming up with our own
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So that's out of the way. 
All right, you guys pause, come 

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back. 
All right, let's go into this. 

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Yeah, so I basically when 
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life is immortal, that put that 
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Zalitath as we know her. 
She chose herself as a kid right

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in. 
And they're like the the cameras

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coming down to her and it's all 
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And then everything kind of like
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And the argument that I've heard
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probably true is that this is 
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being destroyed by the Light, 
which would explain why she then

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turns to the void, right? 
If if you see your entire 

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homeland just utterly decimated 
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power, you turn to its opposite,
right? 

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OK. 
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So that's my best guess. 
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I know there's also a lot of 
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Zalitas says, what she says to 
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what's important is survival for
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For like, for like me and my 
people and you are all creatures

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of the void. 
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will survive together, right? 
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all of us together. 
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of telling the truth. 
I know a lot of people are 

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saying, oh, it's Alatas, she 
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I think she is purposely leaving
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all consuming. 
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the beings of the void into this
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The the one existence of the 
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survival for them. 
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the one hole. 
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obviously, in my opinion, does 
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Salhadar thinks. 
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going to protect you all and you
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this, OK, Because we are in the 
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I I am on an opposite track to 
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Interesting. 
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be true. 
And we've got people in chat, 

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Snoop saying that like you can 
absolutely manipulate people 

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with information. 
That's true. 

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After all, that's the beauty of 
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it is her tale. 
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like you. 
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And I think survival is true. 
She wants to survive. 

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The entire thing that we're now 
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like, you know, this all 
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hierarchy is just like praying 
upon the weak, devouring, 

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consuming all and becoming 
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And in that way, it's a survival
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So that's kind of the survival. 
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story and it is her as a young 
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She like the the roundness of 
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everything that is Zalitath as a
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But she also has like she's 
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when everything happens. 
I'm sorry about the phone 

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clutching on to a little 
keepsake. 

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Well, everything's happening and
to to me means that she's old 

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enough to have a recognition, 
right, to have vague memories of

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that world that we just see grey
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It's enough for her to resent 
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The void destroyed her world. 
She is resentful that like what 

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she knew what like might have 
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You don't know right was all 
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thrown into this dog eat dog 
dogma of of the of the void of 

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the entity. 
And so she's she's young enough 

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that that's what she was. 
She grew up in just you've got 

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to survive. 
Everybody is either a stepping 

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stone or a stick and you need to
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other and use them both. 
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sort of like, hey, like you're 
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You everybody wants to survive. 
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survive except the most 
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makes it funny that she works 
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yeah, let's end the world 
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And she preys upon that in in 
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her giving a bit of the truth in
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She's like, I hate this. 
This is a horrible world, but 

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this is the world that we're in.
Let's like, so like, join with 

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me and we'll be the ones that 
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Things are being screwed up. 
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And then, you know, she's going 
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She's going to backstab. 
She's going to like it's we're 

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going to be 6 bosses deep into 
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Salivar is going to be like, 
Dang it, why didn't I see it 

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coming? 
And we're all going to roll our 

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But that's the beauty of it. 

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She uses the bit of the truth 
she to like connect with with 

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Saladar and like see the plate 
because she's been through that 

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plate and then twist him to to 
the cause. 

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Yeah, I will say so the more I, 
I, I, I do I, I, sorry, I have 

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like 20 thoughts at once and I 
tried to say them all at the 

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same moment. 
I can see that and a long thread

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in Zalitas history is that she 
is consistently subjugated by 

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the void and then kind of takes 
over, right? 

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That happens with Demensius and 
that happens with the old gods 

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and that happens with Demensius 
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Like she consistently is put 
under yokes by more powerful 

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creatures of the void and then 
uses that like resentment and 

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and hatred of the fact that she 
is put in enslaved essentially 

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to then give her the power to 
push out. 

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Right. 
So I, I still think it's the 

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light is, is what destroyed her 
homeland, especially because I 

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think there are little tidbits 
in other stories that suggest 

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that that's kind of one thing 
that the team is looking at, 

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which I mean, I'm, I'm like meta
story in here, right? 

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That it it seems like the World 
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to explore the idea of the light
as a destructive force as well 

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as the void as an destructive 
force. 

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And I think that could be a 
really interesting story. 

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But I see I, I, I don't 
necessarily know that I believe 

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that like, so strongly that I 
think you're wrong, right? 

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Like, I, I think that what 
you're saying is also 

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potentially really true, right? 
That, yeah, that could just be 

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another example of Zalotaph 
being subjugated under the void 

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and being more powerful. 
It could even be how she got 

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taken over by Demencius, right? 
To become the Harbinger in 

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general. 
I will also say the more I both 

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think through her history and 
also read through her history 

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and researching before this, 
there is a part of me that's a 

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little sad that Zalitov had such
a very interesting story of 

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constantly being like subjugated
and getting out. 

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And I think I wish that we could
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mindset of like, what would 
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Like, what would it look like 
for someone for Zalitath or for 

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someone like Zalitath who's 
constantly subjugated to instead

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harness the void with more like 
awareness and compassion, right?

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Like it is kind of silly, like 
not crappy in the sense of like,

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I think they're like bad 
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world, but sad to see her 
constantly go through this, you 

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know, cycle of abuse, for lack 
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continue it. 
That's the beauty of it though. 

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I love that she is both victim 
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I I love that like especially 
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brought into that world at such 
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socialized on like that original
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She wasn't like a young adult 
and then got and said, screw it,

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I'm gonna join the void. 
She, she was like a small child,

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right? 
And then it's just like dementia

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comes and says, listen, I will 
have my minions eat you for, for

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a meal or you can come serve me 
right. 

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And you can have good stories 
along that line where she's 

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like, listen, like, listen, if I
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chopping block. 
So rather your head than mine. 

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And that is a mentality that is 
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And I think that from there, her
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somebody who is willing to do 
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And that will make that such a 
poignant play where she's so 

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good at playing on people's own 
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willing to give up their own 
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greater good. 
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she won't be able to to like 
plan for or understand or or 

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figure out. 
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is like something that can be 
played to like an amazing effect

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based on the character that 
they've been showing us. 

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I do think Zaltath is really 
well developed. 

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I think her back story is, is 
one of the stronger ones that 

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I've seen in in World of 
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I think the video had a lot of 
interesting potentials. 

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I think it's kind of fun to have
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who manipulates a lot because it
does mean, you know, usually 

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when we're given information, 
it's pretty straight up like 

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here is what happened here is 
why you believe me. 

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Like what I am telling you is 
what is true. 

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And I think the fact that now we
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hard to pin down and who we 
know. 

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Most unreliable narrator? 
Exactly. 

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Thank you. 
That was the phrase that I was 

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looking for such an unreliable 
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It means that these little 
tidbits of information are so 

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much more interesting because, 
you know, there's probably some 

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lie to it. 
You know, there's probably a lot

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of truth to it, right? 
You know, if the even just on 

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again to meta story this, if the
Blizzard team was like, 

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actually, everything in that 
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Like that would be bad 
storytelling, right? 

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Like it would make us sad. 
And so they're probably not 

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going to do that. 
So it's it's piercing together. 

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You know what's true and what's 
not true. 

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That makes it a very fun and 
engaging and exciting story. 

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And I am I'm really excited for 
midnight. 

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I think that there's going to be
a lot of, there's a lot of signs

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that the story is going in a 
really interesting direction and

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in a direction that I personally
have wanted it to go for a 

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while. 
Yeah, and I think that this 

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storyline in the time that it's 
released really does line up 

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because like, you're not the 
only one, Lex. 

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Don't don't think that you were 
the only one who confused when 

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this story took place. 
As soon as it came out, I had a 

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friend who was mentioning being 
like, wait, when did this 

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happen? 
This seems out of place. 

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I'm like, no, no. 
So this happened after the the 

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penultimate fight, right after 
the the penultimate fight, you 

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see that King Saladar gets 
drained into the the Dark Heart.

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but the staging grounds of the 
devouring hosts that Zalitath is

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making. 
Because you can see those 

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creatures that she's got now and
that is something that she 

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didn't have before. 
So this is this is her now 

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seemingly far more powerful, 
harnessing all the power of 

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dementia. 
See those those Wraith like 

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guys? 
They look like a mix of like 

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dementias always look like a 
super blueberry. 

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But these look like the the step
up of of those guys, the mini 

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dementias sigh that are less 
thinking, but they also talk 

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too, like they are intelligent 
beings. 

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And so this is her galvanizing 
her army. 

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This is her mustering her 
forces. 

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And it's such a that's such a 
great timing when we are now 

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only weeks away, less than a 
month away from release that we 

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now get a little bit more 
insight on like what is coming. 

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So I really do. 
I really do love that. 

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One more thing and then we can 
transition as you I think we're 

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trying to do. 
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cyclical nature of Zalotax 
history. 

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I think one and one thing that 
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this video is the fact that this
is also a cycles for Saladar, 

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right? 
He gets the support of his 

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people and he's about like he, 
he's right on the edge of making

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really good choices and he has a
really strong ability to protect

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his people and to save his 
people and to keep them safe. 

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And then the void comes in and 
it convinces him and it 

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convinces him through his love 
of his people, right? 

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It it tells him like, no, this 
is the actual right way to 

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protect your people. 
This is how you're going to be a

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good king. 
And he falls for it. 

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And then it makes things 
significantly worse for his 

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people and. 
I want to say this is at least 

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the second or maybe arguably the
third time that he's done this. 

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I think it's the second. 
I take it back. 

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I I was mixing up two 
storylines, but he knows, right?

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He did this already. 
This happened. 

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He was following dementias. 
He was trying to be, you know, 

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thinking this is gonna help his 
people. 

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And one thing that's really 
devastating the video is he is 

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about to help his people escape,
right? 

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He has made a portal. 
They are about to get away and 

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he removes that and he re 
subjugates his people and yeah, 

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I mean, they're gonna be 
betrayed and it's it's his own 

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fault, right? 
I'm not saying like, oh, poor 

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Saladar. 
How could you know? 

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He's so lied to. 
Like again, he's been through 

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this. 
He knows what's gonna happen. 

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I have no sympathy for the fact 
that this is gonna happen again.

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It's very Nerzul adjacent, 
right? 

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Like. 
Actually, if I was gonna echo 

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anything, I would go only as far
back as at the beginning of the 

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War Within when we had the 
entire thing with the Naurubian 

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Empire and we had Anserak, who 
like you hear the whispers. 

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And same thing with this, like 
the, the, the, the stick is 

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there. 
We talked about sticks. 

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She's got them beating down and 
be like, your guys are going to 

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be devoured and and that and 
then she just whispers and she 

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comes in. 
It's like, hey, hey, hey, I get 

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it. 
I get it. 

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We're actually on the same side.
Forget that. 

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I've got all these minions 
beating the crap out of you. 

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Let's work together. 
And she whispers before she even

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shows up, and she's still doing 
that same creepy thing that she 

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was doing with Anserak and 
Anserak's mother, right? 

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And then she comes in and she 
talks and she says she says what

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she feels he needs to hear. 
And she comes in at the time 

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just when he's about to make it,
but also when the desperation is

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so high, like he hasn't made it 
through that portal yet. 

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If he made it through that 
portal, hope, would we reel it? 

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He would feel a lot safer. 
The hope is there. 

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And then she comes in and she's 
like, no, no, no, don't. 

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That's a lie. 
Even if you go through there, 

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I'm still coming after you, 
right? 

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Still showing the stick, still 
burying her fangs. 

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But then she smiles and says, 
but hey, we're all a family. 

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We're all void, yes, us void and
pulls him in. 

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And I think that is that's so 
much just if salad, if Salador 

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had to have something. 
And you're talking about his 

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people like you did, right? 
Talking about widening that our 

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people from just the just the 
subjects that he controls to all

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of these void, these voids that 
are maybe not part of the 

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greater void beyond reality, but
like just trying to survive is 

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just such a great twist of where
he seems to be. 

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And then, yeah, he he kneels 
down. 

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So I think that is a really good
point that you make there. 

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Unless there's anything else. 
Shall we step forward? 

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Let's step forward. 
OK, I do want to contrast this 

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because with the patch 12.0 
point one that hit just this 

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week, things got reset, add-ons 
needed to be updated, new 

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talents for some classes, new 
new ways that even the abilities

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work for some classes have hit. 
And I opened up my client and I 

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was once again treated to the 
cinematic that we first saw at 

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Gamescon back in the summer. 
And I don't know if this was the

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same for you, Lex, but it hit so
much better when I was sitting 

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in front of my computer watching
it. 

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Not not with any kind of like 
anticipation, like at games 

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column, but just in the client. 
The, the lighting, the events 

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that happened, even the one 
liners just hit so much better 

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for me. 
Where like, you know, just like 

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you can't even break one elf. 
And it's like, yeah, OK, now I 

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want to fight for Silver Moon. 
And then she decides to break 

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like 4 of them. 
Like just that that that. 

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And I'm still just so like it 
was, it was quite the rush 

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moment for me. 
And did was it the sort of like 

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something you skipped by or did 
you sit down and watch it again?

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I did skip by it but now I want 
to sit down and watch it again. 

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I actually, I think I probably 
could even I think I probably 

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haven't gone into World of 
Warcraft recently enough to have

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had it pop back up. 
So I I not to make your 

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appreciation and love of the 
game turn into a little tater 

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moment, I will never cease to be
disappointed that that cutscene 

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was revealed to us at Gamescon. 
I think it was not. 

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It was not the moon. 
I think Gamescon, like, I think 

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that is part of what I want to 
talk about. 

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Like I think that Gamescom did 
not sell that properly 

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considering how much more I 
liked it just this week than six

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months ago when it was fresh. 
So, so I would agree with you 

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there. 
And of course Gamescon had like 

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a number of other announcements 
too. 

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So it kind of got lost in just 
like the chaos of it all. 

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So, so there's that I, I would 
be interested in see in what you

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feel about it, but you have seen
it before. 

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And I think that one thing that 
now that we are on the eve of 

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midnight, we're at the like, 
quote UN quote, 11th hour. 

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There are some things where when
we were looking at the cinematic

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in it back in August at 
Gamescon, we were we were 

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speculating about being like, 
oh, like is this the last stand?

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Is Silver Moon the last bastion?
Now we know it's not. 

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Now we know like it's she should
have beelined, which like gave 

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me a bit of a conflict one. 
It feels so like they did this 

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many amazing characterizations 
of of like the different actors 

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in there. 
Northamar absolute like I I know

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Regent, Regent Lord, but I'm 
going to say it absolute king, 

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like just new dynasty there. 
OK, Leadron, really cool 

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character, but not what who I 
want to call Leadron her the 

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desperation like as she's like 
being very penitent and like 

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feverishly praying at the 
beginning, right? 

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And you see that doubt in her 
later on where she's where she 

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like goes back to pray, like she
breaks formation, she goes back 

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to pray. 
And then she stopped praying and

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says like, you know what? 
I know I'm not worthy, but like 

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my people are so like forget me,
save my people. 

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I want to know more about where 
that came from. 

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That to me seems like such a 
like her character could have 

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gone there. 
And if we had seen like the 

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world constantly being defeated 
by this, this host and her 

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herself being seeing so many 
setbacks that it like it broke 

445
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:23,280
what who I felt feel is such a 
like stalwart, stiff upper lip 

446
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:29,080
kind of person to like to make 
that I guess to make that moment

447
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,720
more deserved. 
Like it doesn't feel like she 

448
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,360
should be as intimidated as she 
was. 

449
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,120
So two things. 
The first is so Leodrin's lore 

450
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,920
is not something I'm super 
strong on, so I'm just parroting

451
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,760
what other people said to me. 
Isn't part of Leodrin's story 

452
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,880
that she has historically done 
this before that like she kind 

453
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,800
of gave up on the light and 
needed to be brought back into 

454
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,560
it or something along those 
lines? 

455
00:28:55,040 --> 00:29:00,480
So she is the first of the blood
nights, right? 

456
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,680
She like she was the one who 
like worked to like imprison the

457
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,680
the Naru that was eventually 
sacrificed to reignite the the 

458
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,720
sun well. 
And they forcibly drained that 

459
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,240
energy to like retain to gain 
their power and abilities. 

460
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,640
And that was the formation of 
the blood night, the blood 

461
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,480
nights. 
It's her and coming in this 

462
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:32,080
expansion, the, the person who 
controls the, the prey system, 

463
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,480
right? 
They are the ones that like 

464
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,560
formed the the blood nights and 
then for through the burning 

465
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:49,360
crusade, the the turn of events 
and everything and the eventual 

466
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:59,720
coming together of the of the 
sorry, I'm alive, I'm alive OK, 

467
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,800
The eventually coming together 
of all the all of the forces to 

468
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,840
like reignite the sun Well, the 
same Naru that she captured, 

469
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,920
sacrificing itself to reignite 
the sun. 

470
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:19,960
Well her like enemies at the 
time, which were the Junai 

471
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,800
saying like no, no, no, we will 
work with you. 

472
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:30,480
That kind of put a shame in her 
made her realize that she was 

473
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:37,760
wrong in what she was she was 
doing and that that is part of 

474
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,040
it. 
Like, that's why I would say 

475
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,760
like, OK, like she would say 
like, yes, I'm not worthy, OK. 

476
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:49,920
But like, the the frailty of her
conviction, not necessarily her 

477
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,160
her faith that she's deserving 
of the light, but her conviction

478
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,800
of like, I'm gonna stand. 
I don't care. 

479
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,520
Like to me, Leon's the person 
who says I don't care if I'm 

480
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,720
worthy or not. 
I will die unworthy rather than 

481
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:07,200
like, give up and become worthy.
Yeah, so I I'm gonna say before 

482
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,640
I say my second point, I do 
remember in the when I watched 

483
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,840
the Angela cutscene, I thought 
it was confusing and I thought 

484
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,840
it it seemed kind of stilted and
and sort of shoe horned without,

485
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,560
again, without knowing a ton of 
Leon, I know my my Leodrin 

486
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,600
loving friends loved that 
cutscene. 

487
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,400
So it's quite possible that I 
part of it is just that I'm 

488
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,240
missing old lore contacts. 
Although I would make the 

489
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,120
argument that if you need like 
all of the lore nuance to 

490
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,640
understand a major opening 
cutscene, that's a problem in 

491
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,120
and of itself. 
But the other argument I would 

492
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,960
make is one thing that I was 
thinking about a lot with this 

493
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,720
moment, right? 
With how did I just forget the 

494
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,280
name of the Blood Elf city? 
Silverman. 

495
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:02,320
Silverman, thank you. 
Is it Silverman just keeps 

496
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,960
getting beaten down? 
Right? 

497
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,240
This has happened so many times.
They are constantly the ones 

498
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,080
being attacked. 
They're constantly the ones. 

499
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,120
And then, you know, like one of 
their old heroes comes back and 

500
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,880
there's freaking void everywhere
and they lost half their one of 

501
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,360
their goddamn magisters decide. 
I mean, I'm not telling this in 

502
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,560
order, but like he's oh, I'm 
going to go explore the void and

503
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,200
all of a sudden he's an alliance
and we want to be the alliance, 

504
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,600
but then the God damn 
everything. 

505
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:33,040
And what if we what like this is
just like the the life of the 

506
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,680
blood elves is just constantly 
getting beaten down and 

507
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,840
constantly having like like 
being in the repair mode and 

508
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,200
getting things better. 
And then it falls apart and 

509
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,080
you're just about to OK. 
And we're now we have, you know,

510
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,760
these conversations going with 
the Alliance and it falls apart.

511
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,920
And you know, like we we're like
Arthus comes in and decimates 

512
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,320
and everything. 
Like this is the thing they've 

513
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,960
been through again and again and
again. 

514
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:06,120
And so I can understand some 
degree of just and as I'm saying

515
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,600
this, I, I do think this might 
have even been stronger had it 

516
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,920
not been Leodrin and not been a 
specific character. 

517
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,080
And more so constantly, like if 
if this had been more of like 

518
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,640
the blood elves as like a like 
a, a legion of them almost 

519
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,640
losing faith. 
I don't know, I'm thinking on 

520
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:33,920
the fly, but I, I can't imagine 
being a blood elf is just 

521
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:39,120
feeling like every time I open 
my eyes, there's another thing. 

522
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,160
And every time we're just we 
finally repaired the city and 

523
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,160
it's destroyed again. 
And like, we damn it, like we 

524
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:52,120
were just getting better and now
Zelatad has to come here. 

525
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,640
Like out of all we had 
everything under control. 

526
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,560
We were finally dealing with the
magic addiction. 

527
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,400
And like everything was finally 
OK. 

528
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,960
And she's back. 
And that just like heart 

529
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,920
wrenching. 
Like, what is the point? 

530
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,679
Like, why am I still fighting 
right if if it's just gonna 

531
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:11,120
happen again and again and 
again? 

532
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,120
And I think that's a really 
powerful story within the blood 

533
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,679
elves. 
But again, I don't feel like I 

534
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,280
know Leodrin well enough to 
speak to whether or not this is 

535
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,760
good for her. 
And I, I do feel that it wasn't.

536
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,760
Whatever internal conflict was 
going on is not super well 

537
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,960
explained to us. 
Yeah. 

538
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:38,520
I mean, I think that the plight 
of the blood elves has been like

539
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:46,080
a lot of hits, But I would also 
say that that is true for all of

540
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,239
the races. 
Like you go night owls and they 

541
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,320
had their tree burned down and 
the other tree they had to 

542
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,040
sacrifice to get rid of the 
demon. 

543
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,040
You go orcs. 
And it's like, how many times 

544
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,480
have we seen Jorge Amar? 
You go, you go. 

545
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,640
I don't know the gnomes and it's
like we just still don't have 

546
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,640
our CD back. 
We just never got it back and 

547
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,440
and the rate that everybody else
is getting their city destroyed,

548
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,160
you know what, we'll just leave 
it just set the default 

549
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,520
irradiated. 
So like it happens, it happens 

550
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,960
to all of the races. 
This is of course, the World of 

551
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,080
Warcraft. 
As much as people want to scream

552
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,920
that it's not the same as it's 
always been, it's very much 

553
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,240
continues in those cycles like 
the the. 

554
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:27,520
Humans had all these great 
internment camps and all of a 

555
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,640
sudden we have to respect other 
races. 

556
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,720
I mean. 
Taking heads. 

557
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,640
There, there's a there is a lot 
right? 

558
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:41,440
The yeah, Lord on, of course, 
getting sacked by the the orcs. 

559
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,160
Everybody fled, fled to 
Stormwind. 

560
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,280
They they get it back. 
Sorry, sorry, sorry, Stormwind 

561
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,160
got hit first. 
They went to Lord Aron. 

562
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,760
Lord Aron fought back. 
Undead plague comes in and no 

563
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,200
more Lord Aron. 
So humans have definitely had it

564
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,880
hard. 
Gilmayans who like were like, oh

565
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,360
man, this is bad. 
Let's put up a wall and then 

566
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,400
curse of the the wolves. 
So yes, there's there's been 

567
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:09,800
flights for every every race and
I think that there have clearly 

568
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,640
been people who have been shaken
in every race. 

569
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,440
So like, I mean, you don't get 
nihilistic cults springing up 

570
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,000
because everything's been hunky 
Dory's for so long. 

571
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,480
So the fact that you have like 
the Twilight Blade as they're 

572
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,640
called now is is testament to 
that, that people have been way 

573
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,400
more shaken that they are fully 
on Like, no, no, life is 

574
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,000
torture. 
Let's just end it all, end it 

575
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,760
all. 
I forget what voice line that 

576
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,560
is, but that that is a Warcraft 
voice line. 

577
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,480
So yeah, you you're right on 
that too. 

578
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,360
It is, it is interesting. 
It is Distill Cinematic team 

579
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:55,680
doing such an amazing job 
pulling together all of those 

580
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,400
characters and making it 
interesting and touching upon 

581
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,800
things and hinting at things 
with these relatively short 

582
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,360
moments of time. 
You're looking at the two 

583
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,760
cinematics we talked about and 
the two of them combined that 

584
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:18,040
that's not even 2015 minutes of 
of content there. 

585
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,880
So that yeah, I agree with you 
on that. 

586
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:29,840
Moving past the cinematic, if we
could, that leads us to of 

587
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,120
course 12 point O .1 actually 
hitting live. 

588
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,560
And as I said before, there have
been a number of changes. 

589
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,760
Lex, you haven't been playing 
that much. 

590
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,760
I've been on every day because 
for me, it's all about the big 

591
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,080
love rocket. 
Sorry, I apologize. 

592
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,920
That's a show that is, that is 
no longer with us. 

593
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:01,800
I'm talking about the X-45 
rocket that comes from the the 

594
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,200
love is in the air. 
Still hunting that on top of 

595
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:12,760
which from previous years they 
added in the sweeping, the 

596
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,240
sweeping broom, which still 
don't have that also comes from 

597
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,960
the heart-shaped box. 
And this year they've added a 

598
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,840
third mount that can drop, which
is a butterfly. 

599
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:32,840
So if you haven't gotten any of 
these amounts, just login. 

600
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,440
There are different drop 
chances. 

601
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,400
I'll go through those here for 
everybody. 

602
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:44,960
The X 45, the original one that 
is currently on the first chance

603
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,440
each day on each account, you 
will have a greatly elevated 

604
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:56,400
chance of it dropping. 
Beyond that, you still have a 

605
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,680
chance of it of it dropping from
other characters on that same 

606
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:08,120
account, but it's the greatly 
reduced chance in terms of the 

607
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:17,600
brew mount that one has a chance
for the first one each day on 

608
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,640
the account, but it also has a 
increasing bad luck protection 

609
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,040
so that eventually you should 
have a high chance, but not 

610
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,680
fully guaranteed. 
It never hits like you're 

611
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,480
guaranteed after so many 
attempts to have that dropped. 

612
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:40,240
And then this latest one is 
again, first attempt per account

613
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,720
and the bad luck protection. 
So if you're, if you're just 

614
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:51,200
trying to not go crazy, make one
attempt a day, right, Go get a 

615
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,840
tanker a or a healer because you
get super fast cues. 

616
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,680
Do pick up the potions with the 
scaling, the, the poisons, the 

617
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,000
purple pools and the green pools
actually do hurt. 

618
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,200
So do pick up that potion just 
so you're not stressing your 

619
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,640
healer. 
Or if you are the healer that 

620
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,440
you don't like, do pay attention
to life bars because people will

621
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,600
get trucked and then beyond 
that. 

622
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,960
Just outside of the major towns,
there is this entire fairgrounds

623
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,080
that are set up. 
Once again, you can buy a bunch 

624
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:32,280
of stuff that was in there from 
last year as well as anything 

625
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,080
that you want as well. 
Now Goblin Graphics asks if 

626
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,160
there's any holiday decor. 
And Lex, have you, have you 

627
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,200
pulled that up? 
Because I actually don't believe

628
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,680
there is, but I can't say with a
certainty. 

629
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,240
Unfortunately, I don't think so 
though. 

630
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:54,200
I am not seeing any. 
I'm seeing it looks like a lot 

631
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,560
of butterfly decor this year. 
So they have like trans mods and

632
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,760
stuff. 
Was that true last year as well?

633
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,120
I wasn't paying attention. 
Yeah, if you've. 

634
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,000
Missed a year? 
There's a lot to do. 

635
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,760
Yeah, yeah. 
So it, it does not look like 

636
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,160
there's any holiday decor. 
And I, I feel like I'm saying 

637
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,480
that while scrolling to the very
bottom of the Wowhead article. 

638
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,360
I think if there was holiday 
decor it would be like for front

639
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,320
and center. 
Yeah, new, new this year sort of

640
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,280
thing. 
I think that you're because 

641
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,520
we're just ahead of midnight. 
They didn't add Decor to this. 

642
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,000
Same thing with the trading 
post. 

643
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,600
I was like, oh, maybe they'll 
put in Decor. 

644
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,280
It's more likely gonna be a 
March thing or whatever holidays

645
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,760
we get going forward. 
Yeah, and to be fair, as much as

646
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,800
I'm like sad that we don't have 
seasonal decor yet, it's not 

647
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,240
like the housing team is sitting
down doing nothing, right? 

648
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,120
Like they are working very hard.
They have put many things in. 

649
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,000
We will get our seasonal decor 
eventually. 

650
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,480
Not everything has to be at the 
start. 

651
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,040
I say that mostly to myself, to 
be clear, because I was the one 

652
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,080
who was throwing a little wine 
fit about how I couldn't 

653
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,280
decorate for Christmas. 
Yeah, yeah. 

654
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,640
I I would look for that like 
last expansion, I think it was 

655
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,360
more dragonflight they added in 
hearthstones into every if 

656
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,320
everyone. 
I really did like that theme. 

657
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,760
So decor for midnight would be 
really awesome. 

658
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,480
The Go ahead, Lex. 
Oh, I was gonna say this is kind

659
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,440
of an interruption because 
goblin graphics was mentioned in

660
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,520
chat that like, oh, a noble 
garden holiday accord would be a

661
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,520
fun start and that actually, so 
I was really I'm I'm a little 

662
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,320
confused about the decision this
year to make it the spring 

663
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,160
butterfly. 
Maybe it's just that I live very

664
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,040
far up north and so we got like 
almost half a foot of snow last 

665
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,280
night. 
I'm exaggerating, but still. 

666
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,120
So I'm like, what do you mean 
spring butterfly? 

667
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,880
It's February, but I do feel 
like spring butterfly vibes are 

668
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,200
much more noble garden. 
I'm not, I guess like they're 

669
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,360
pink, right? 
That's a little Valentine's Day,

670
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:51,440
but I don't I don't know that I 
fully agree with the decision to

671
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,960
make it the the spring butterfly
here. 

672
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,960
But I mean, it's pretty. 
Maybe it's gonna be rabbits. 

673
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,840
Rabbits for for noble garden. 
That's very spring. 

674
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:05,920
Yeah, get a big Bunny mound or. 
Something I I will say in terms 

675
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:11,440
of Decor, if you are looking for
Decor, 3 of the four dungeons 

676
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,440
that were locked out in the 
first pre patch have been 

677
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,160
opened. 
So if you go into Skyreach, if 

678
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,280
you go to Algothar Academy and 
if you go to the pit of Sauron, 

679
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,200
turn in your dungeon difficulty 
to normal and you can run 

680
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,640
through the dungeon and you have
really high chances. 

681
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,760
I, I ran them each once and got 
the decor. 

682
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,920
So like it was less like I if 
it's not guaranteed, it's 

683
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,960
incredibly high, but you will 
get the you can get the decor 

684
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,040
out of that before we get into 
season 1 and they become part of

685
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,480
the mythic plus rotation. 
The seed of the triumphant 

686
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,960
unfortunately still requires 
level 90, so you can't get into 

687
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,880
that one. 
I also did look at the in game 

688
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,320
Decor guide and that has been 
updated not only reflecting 

689
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,880
stuff that is going to be coming
in midnight. 

690
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,760
So you'll, you can see what will
be there, but also locations and

691
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,360
such of some stuff that is 
currently available right now. 

692
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:19,000
I while I was going and doing 
Skyreach, I was finding a decor 

693
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,240
vendor that's out in the spies 
of Iraq in, in Warlizer. 

694
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:26,880
Traynor picked up a bunch of 
different stuff from from there,

695
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:33,920
so if you are looking for more 
decor stuff to like make your 

696
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,000
place look great, go ahead and 
look through that in the in the 

697
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,400
game. 
Has anyone made just like a 

698
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,680
list? 
I'm sure they have. 

699
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,200
I'm sure I haven't seen it of 
like every decor vendor and 

700
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,600
where you can find them. 
So you if you want to just like 

701
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,240
grind it out and go pop to every
single vendor you could. 

702
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:57,320
Yeah, if you go to there is the 
Wow database, housing database. 

703
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:04,360
So I think it's like Wow housing
DB is the exact, I think that is

704
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,240
the entire site that's dedicated
to like here it is. 

705
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:09,800
This is how much cost, this is 
where you can go for it. 

706
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,120
This is the budget for like room
budget and so forth. 

707
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,480
And you can just like find stuff
there. 

708
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,360
But so more So what I'm talking 
about is like has somebody? 

709
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,720
Unless I'm misunderstanding 
because I'm on the page now, Is 

710
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:24,600
there somebody who's kind of 
walked through like, here's just

711
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,840
where you like If you wanted to 
hit up every single decor 

712
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,480
vendor, right? 
Less so like identifying what 

713
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,800
decor you. 
Want so you're like trying to do

714
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,680
a world tour where I like spend 
as little amount little amount 

715
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,960
of time circumnavigating the map
to get to every decor vendor? 

716
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:39,880
Exactly. 
Got it. 

717
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,600
I haven't seen that. 
I have seen some great videos by

718
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,960
Discordian Kitty that kind of 
breaks it down into like, hey, 

719
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,760
if you want to go and do 
dungeons, here's the dungeons, 

720
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,800
here's the delves, here's going 
around Eastern Kingdoms, right? 

721
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,920
And I think that kind of helps a
bit. 

722
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,840
So like that would be kind of 
good. 

723
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:08,680
It's sort of like data for 
Azarov has this entire or no, 

724
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,160
might not be data for Azarov. 
There is a site that I'm 

725
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,440
blanking on right now that has 
an entire like these are the 

726
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,680
amounts you're missing. 
Here's the most effective route 

727
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,680
for you to go to all of the 
places and and go farm them. 

728
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,840
And I think that's what you're 
looking for, but I haven't seen 

729
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,040
that for decor. 
I don't know phasers. 

730
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:32,320
If you know of a site or any 
sort of resource that gives that

731
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,160
sort of breakdown on where to go
and like where to go next, let 

732
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,560
us know. 
We'd love to hear about it. 

733
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:46,600
But yeah, have you, I guess if 
you're asking that, that's 

734
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,800
because you're you're sort of 
saying like, I want to do this 

735
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,920
tour, I'd love to do it as 
efficiently as possible. 

736
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,480
So you haven't started doing 
this yet, right? 

737
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,960
Not really, not really. 
I still get very overwhelmed 

738
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,280
every time we like I think about
housing and I know you and I 

739
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,760
have talked offline a little bit
about like different ways to 

740
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,520
potentially tackle that. 
And every all of it is just 

741
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,520
there's just so many stats, 
right? 

742
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,600
Like does everything is like to 
try to fit even like going on 

743
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,840
this wow housing database. 
It's so cool and there's so many

744
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,440
things and every single thing 
I'm like, well. 

745
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,880
That's the problem. 
The second thing you said, 

746
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,880
there's so many things, it's 
like, where the hell do I even 

747
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,640
start? 
Yeah. 

748
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,720
Yeah, yeah, I do think I want to
make my house a little bit more 

749
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:33,240
functional. 
You and I chatted a little bit 

750
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:36,240
about how when I'm on like a 
phone call with people, I'm 

751
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,760
usually just like on World of 
Warcraft, like jumping around. 

752
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,160
And so turning like getting a 
big room and just turning it 

753
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,880
into kind of like a jungle gym, 
right? 

754
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,640
Where I can just like be like on
an officer chat, like just try 

755
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,760
to like hop up to like 1, you 
know, little platform up here 

756
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,120
and then go over here. 
Like, you know, that sort of 

757
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,280
thing would be really fun for 
me. 

758
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,880
So maybe making housing last 
just like a set up my house and 

759
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,840
make it look pretty. 
So it's pretty and more so like 

760
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,400
how can I use this in the ways 
that I tend to engage with the 

761
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,880
game, But I have not actually 
started doing that. 

762
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,880
I've just talked about it. 
Yeah, I mean in the Patreon I 

763
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,400
did a tour of my house that is 
now so out of date. 

764
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,400
I've I've rebuilt different 
places. 

765
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,640
I think 2 of the rooms are the 
same, like the entry room and 

766
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,000
the kitchen are somewhat the 
same. 

767
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,280
But like, again, Lex and I do 
talk outside of the show, 

768
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:31,560
apparently. 
And the the empty room that I 

769
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,640
was like that I was saying, oh, 
I should make this. 

770
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:35,760
You were saying I should make 
this like a gymnasium or a 

771
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,480
training room. 
I ended up turning it into a sun

772
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:44,280
room, which like I really do 
love. 

773
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,200
And communities, communities 
have sprung up about this all 

774
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:52,040
over World of Warcraft that 
they're doing these housing, 

775
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,240
housing communities and stuff 
like that. 

776
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,880
And for me, I wanted to make my 
house seem like not like 

777
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,000
something that is like World of 
Warcraft sort of thing. 

778
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,080
It was just like, it's a house 
that my adventurer returns to. 

779
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,600
It is, it is like the kind of a 
functional thing, like what 

780
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,600
would a house in World of 
Warcraft do for somebody who 

781
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:18,360
wasn't like like the grand mage 
of cool terrace or whatever sort

782
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,080
of thing. 
Not like the Castle Borealis or 

783
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,040
whatever, or Borealis, not 
Borealis, Borealis or whatever. 

784
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:27,960
This was just like a home in the
neighborhood. 

785
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:34,120
And I have really enjoyed when I
do get that idea, just building 

786
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:39,800
it out and being that I, I 
geeked over making a laundry 

787
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,400
nook where I had like a little 
washer or dryer and putting in 

788
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,480
like the little steam coming out
of the right place. 

789
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,280
And, and it and one part that I 
actually jostles around. 

790
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,960
So it looks like that's running.
And then I found like little 

791
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,760
dials that's it's so geeky and 
so much fun. 

792
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,200
And it's stuff that I used to do
when I was playing like Animal 

793
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,080
Crossing. 
I never actually played The 

794
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,720
Sims. 
I played like Animal Crossing 

795
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,800
and and that and I really enjoy 
that and I love putting in the 

796
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,880
clutter and making it lived in 
and making it feel like it's 

797
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,480
like a actual place instead of 
just like, here's the fridge and

798
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,000
here's the stove and here and 
here's some counters and leave 

799
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,760
it at that. 
It's like, no, no, no, like, 

800
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,600
hey, like this fridge doors like
this cupboard door slightly open

801
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,480
and inside you can see the stuff
there. 

802
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,560
Like there's there's the wine 
and one glass is sort of left 

803
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,760
out. 
And like all these little things

804
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,400
in there that like, like we were
just talking about with the 

805
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,240
cinematics, sort of tell a story
in there. 

806
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,960
Not like, oh, this place is like
showroom ready, but like this 

807
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,920
place is, Hey, I you came over 
there and he had to go rush off 

808
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,880
to like fight in the mana 
vaults. 

809
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,200
And so he didn't get a chance to
clean up the takeout food. 

810
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,720
And so the takeout food was like
left there. 

811
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,240
And it's like, oh, wow, you 
better come back and clean that.

812
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:02,960
Like that to me is this weird 
little head cannon, not quite 

813
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,960
full RP as you have talked about
in previous episodes, but like 

814
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:11,800
just making that kind of cool 
little environment I love to do.

815
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,800
Yeah, Yeah. 
So I would invite you to do 

816
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,040
that. 
Forget about building the house,

817
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,400
make a room. 
Be like, I'm going to do the 

818
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:26,960
library and it's got a bunch of 
the fell tombs and like my Demon

819
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,800
Hunter was like looking for a 
book here and then zipped over 

820
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,600
here and dropped the book down 
there and then and then couldn't

821
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,320
find it. 
So like jump double jumped up 

822
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,800
here. 
And so like there's a platform 

823
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,400
here for demon hunters to double
jump to and the the ladder is 

824
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,800
always been left off there. 
It's got cobwebs because he 

825
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,000
never uses it because all he 
does is he double jumps and like

826
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,480
that becomes like the story and 
like you build that and and 

827
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,680
such. 
I think that's cool and I really

828
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,160
do love the people who are 
building these amazing, 

829
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:03,960
fantastical, fantastical 
buildings and structures that 

830
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,720
that are there. 
Yeah, I do think when I start 

831
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,600
more so copy like pulling in 
from other people, that probably

832
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,480
is what I kind of need to do is 
spend a little time looking at 

833
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,120
other people. 
Because I was thinking when you 

834
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,720
were talking about like playing 
Animal Crossing and like I did 

835
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:20,280
play The Sims and I was the girl
who would just go in and do the 

836
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,560
like high money cheat and then 
just buy up a really nice house 

837
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,960
that was pre made. 
I once tried to make my own 

838
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,760
house and it was very 
distressing for my SIM because I

839
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,840
forgot to make a bathroom. 
It's got 2 bathrooms in my house

840
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:39,040
so on. 
Suite end you got the the one 

841
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,600
that I forgot way back. 
There you go. 

842
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,600
Yeah, No, I I would do that. 
The other thing, just general 

843
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,920
advice for anybody. 
Don't do the big rooms. 

844
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,920
My goodness, trying to fill up 
the big rooms is insanity. 

845
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,520
Go small. 
If you find that you were like, 

846
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,320
Oh my goodness, I don't have the
room for stuff, then go ahead. 

847
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,520
Make the medium room but the 
largest rooms. 

848
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,720
I don't think they'd make any 
sense in in my mind. 

849
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,120
There there are some people who 
seem to love the really big 

850
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,880
spaces, but I'm also very much 
not. 

851
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,040
These are not the skills of 
mine. 

852
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,560
OK. 
That brings us to kind of link 

853
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,920
to this, but also the last story
that I want to talk about today.

854
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:27,600
People who saw the state of 
Azeroth, who have seen the 

855
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,040
various things that are coming 
in housing and so forth and are 

856
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,520
talking about the quote UN quote
Disneyfication of the World of 

857
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:41,880
Warcraft. 
So this is this is coming from 

858
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,640
people who, you know, have been 
with the game for a long time 

859
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,560
and resent that the game is 
evolving. 

860
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:57,720
They saw the interview where it 
was Ian Hasekosis and Holly 

861
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:02,360
talking and Holly's talked about
like how even Chris Metson 

862
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,080
venerated is his name said Like,
man, sometimes I wish it was, we

863
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,440
didn't name it Warcraft just so 
it would be more approachable. 

864
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,920
And this caused a backlash on 
the interwebs because we were 

865
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,200
like, what? 
Chris Metsons portrayed us. 

866
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,600
This is Warcraft. 
Can we? 

867
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,400
Just be honest with each other. 
I don't mean to yuck in my own 

868
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,600
Yum. 
I don't mean to yuck. 

869
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:25,880
I don't mean to be mean to the 
devs. 

870
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,480
Fast dev. 
If you're listening, you can put

871
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,760
the little cuffs on. 
With the with the Airbus going 

872
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,840
to be talking about Warcraft? 
It look, it's an amazing game. 

873
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,880
I understand like where it all 
can't having especially like now

874
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,680
that I'm playing the RTS a 
little bit. 

875
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,680
I get the history, I get where 
it came from. 

876
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,480
I'm so happy it exists. 
Can we not be honest with each 

877
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,800
other that the World of Warcraft
is a little bit silly of a name?

878
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,960
Like we can again, love the 
game, Great game, well 

879
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,360
developed, incredible. 
It's a little goofy. 

880
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,000
It's a kind of the World of War.
It's a It's a slightly goofy 

881
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:03,080
name. 
It so like, you know, names, so 

882
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,000
be it, right? 
World of Warcraft. 

883
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,600
Everybody said they were 
cribbing notes off of Warhammer,

884
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:16,200
right? 
Warcraft itself doesn't seem 

885
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,160
silly because like statesmanship
Warcraft, that's the, those are 

886
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,200
things. 
So like Warcraft makes sense 

887
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,120
always. 
And then of course, when you 

888
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:28,280
you're like, hey, like let's now
do an MMO and we're gonna put 

889
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,560
people in the World of Warcraft.
It's so very direct. 

890
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,680
So I've never considered it 
silly. 

891
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,960
I just considered it maybe 
perhaps a little unimaginative. 

892
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:45,080
I think, I think Warcraft made 
sense a lot as a name in the RTS

893
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,680
because that was what you were 
doing. 

894
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,240
I think that's kind of I On the 
one hand, what else would they 

895
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:53,720
have named it? 
On the other hand, like, I think

896
00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:55,400
that just doesn't really 
translate. 

897
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,040
To. 
Yeah, it's so much more epic. 

898
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,920
But also, like, I mean, first of
all, if you want to transition 

899
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,600
from the RTS, that makes sense. 
And now you're, I'm not like 

900
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,280
saying they should rename it. 
I'm not saying it's bad. 

901
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,240
I'm not saying like, Oh my 
goodness, if you are a World of 

902
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:13,040
Warcraft dev, you should feel so
embarrassed. 

903
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,560
I feel so like I just, I think 
we can be honest with ourselves.

904
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,760
I don't know how you could feel 
in that anyways that this is me 

905
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,320
fanboy. 
If I if I got to work on the 

906
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:30,240
World of Warcraft team, right. 
But like I'm so into the game, 

907
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,320
like I I was a little inside 
baseball. 

908
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:40,440
I was talking to my, my ex 
earlier this, this week and I 

909
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,600
was talking about like 
different, different things and 

910
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,560
you know, the podcasts, like 
the, the organizing, the event 

911
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,760
and all of that. 
And I stopped, I stopped for a 

912
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:53,680
second and I said, like you 
always, you always thought that 

913
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,560
like the video games were silly,
right? 

914
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,680
Because she's not a gamer. 
Never, never has been. 

915
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,120
And her response was, you know 
what? 

916
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,800
It's not for me, but I see the 
community. 

917
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,520
I see like the great things that
could come out of it. 

918
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,120
And that's, that's amazing, 
right? 

919
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:19,640
And so even if you are miles 
away from gaming in general, and

920
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,680
you can say like, hey, like I'm 
working on a game that's been 

921
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,480
out for like 20 years and has 
been like going strong, a 

922
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,800
franchise that's been going for 
like 30 years with a company 

923
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,280
that's been around for like 35 
years, right? 

924
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:44,320
Like all of that is, is just 
objectively like this has been 

925
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,440
something with staying power. 
And so I, yeah. 

926
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,440
So I, I don't think people who 
want to like pinch at like 

927
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,400
Warcraft, It's just, it's the 
name, right. 

928
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:04,120
Like Microsoft is Microsoft's 
kind of silly when you, when 

929
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,600
you're not like indoctrinated 
into it being a home name. 

930
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:07,720
It's just, it's just a name. 
Yeah. 

931
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,160
Oh. 
Yeah, I didn't mean that. 

932
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,320
It's like a big I I, I still 
love the game. 

933
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,200
And I'm not saying it's a 
terrible show. 

934
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,640
I just when I heard that line 
from like, you know, Holly 

935
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,200
saying Chris Metzen sometimes, 
like I wish we didn't call it 

936
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,680
the World of Warcraft, I'm like,
Oh yeah, I could see why. 

937
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:31,480
OK, OK, well that that made 
Chris Metzen, even though it was

938
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,400
just like an anecdotal sort of 
thing that he talked about. 

939
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,400
And if you get the context, it 
means basically nothing. 

940
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,880
Like we all regret it. 
There's there's sometimes where 

941
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,600
I'm sure, I'm sure like a pair 
goes and says, man, I kind of 

942
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,120
wish we didn't name him Nelson 
or whatever name. 

943
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,840
Like, I'm sorry to all the 
Nelsons out there. 

944
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,680
This is the name that came to 
me, right? 

945
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,240
Just like I kind of wish we 
named him something else. 

946
00:58:55,240 --> 00:59:00,360
Like why did we name our kid 
like Billy Willy? 

947
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,360
Whatever. 
I don't know, right? 

948
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,480
I'm going to stop this before I 
offend, like every name out 

949
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:06,960
there. 
We we're already getting 

950
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,440
cancelled because I've said the 
World of Warcraft was a silly 

951
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,000
name and Manny's like, let's. 
Just make sure we're just going 

952
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,040
to name them all. 
Let's. 

953
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,080
Get it all out so. 
Everyone wants to stop 

954
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,320
listening. 
What? 

955
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,120
What possessed us to name our 
kid Lex? 

956
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:24,280
I don't know. 
As as clearly this is the guppy,

957
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,560
you know the the Rance family 
really thought that was. 

958
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:35,600
OK, I in terms of names, the 2 
ones that always will stick with

959
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:44,600
me were my friend whose last 
name was DYKE. 

960
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,800
Which doesn't matter if you 
pronounce it one way or the 

961
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,840
other. 
You should never name your kid 

962
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,080
Richard. 
What are you thinking? 

963
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,600
Oh God, yeah, there were. 
I've done a lot of work with the

964
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,000
public, so I've seen a lot of 
last names and occasionally I'll

965
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,760
like see a last name and I'm 
like their parents knew they 

966
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,560
could take. 
The woman's last name, right? 

967
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,720
Like there wasn't a law that we 
had to continue this. 

968
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,920
My father was rich and we had to
name him after my father. 

969
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,800
It's like, just don't marry into
that family then. 

970
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,960
Anyways. 
So yeah, we've all had name 

971
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,840
regrets. 
It's really not that thing. 

972
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,760
It was a fleeting sort of 
comment. 

973
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,760
And the, IT ignited this, this 
conversation about like World of

974
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:43,360
Warcraft and how it's evolving 
and if it's staying true to what

975
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,320
it was. 
And I think anybody who's played

976
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,040
World of Warcraft, any version 
of it knows that it has some 

977
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:58,280
silly weird humor. 
Before it was the like annoyance

978
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:59,520
line. 
When you clicked on a unit 

979
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,640
enough they would start saying 
weird weird strange things like 

980
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:08,240
I'm not that kind of orc or 
whatever it might be. 

981
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,520
It's the quest that have been in
there since vanilla that are 

982
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:17,760
poop joke 1275 right? 
It like World of Warcraft has 

983
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,040
always had this sort of silly 
thing. 

984
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:26,280
Pet battles aren't Warcraft, but
they don't they haven't gotten 

985
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,040
the same. 
Or maybe they did and I was just

986
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,360
blissfully unaware like that was
that was the straw that broke it

987
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,200
for some people that pet battles
have come into my World of 

988
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,400
Warcraft and Oh my goodness, now
I now I got to go find Pikachu 

989
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,520
so I can get into the raid. 
Who knows, But what do you think

990
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,120
of this Lex? 
Yeah, I mean, in case I haven't 

991
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,920
pissed off our fans enough, I 
think to some degree we need to 

992
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,600
call a spade spade. 
I think the difference between 

993
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,600
poop jokes and, you know, 
cheering 'cause you got a pretty

994
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:03,120
piece of decor is that one of it
is man jokes and one or like big

995
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,360
air quotes over. 
This stereotypically 

996
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,120
heteronormatively man jokes, 
Yeah. 

997
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,600
Right. 
The like, you know, pop culture 

998
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:17,720
references and the, you know, 
like those were read as more 

999
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:24,040
masculine jokes and the cutscene
that some people like to lose 

1000
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,080
their mind about read is more 
feminine. 

1001
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:31,080
And I think people want, I mean,
actually they don't because I've

1002
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,360
seen some of the comments and a 
lot of people are really 

1003
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,200
explicit about it that they are 
mad because they feel like this 

1004
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,760
used to be a man game and now 
it's a girl game and they don't 

1005
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,480
play the girl game. 
They want to play the man game. 

1006
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:51,440
And to them I say. 
Tough, I am sorry like I don't I

1007
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:59,000
think that PvP right, I think 
that rating, I think that 

1008
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:04,120
delving and the upcoming 
labyrinths are all there for 

1009
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:08,200
people who want the exploration,
the fighting, the cutthroat 

1010
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,800
right. 
None of that has been diminished

1011
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,520
by the addition of this stuff 
that appeals to a wider 

1012
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:21,720
audience, not just in terms of 
tone, but in terms of like play 

1013
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:27,680
time and play patterns, in terms
of how I want to express my 

1014
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,600
character. 
I love that professions have 

1015
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,640
been like put up to this level 
where somebody can be like, I am

1016
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,840
going to be a blacksmith and 
like, that's what I'm working 

1017
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,080
on. 
And I'm going to like get all 

1018
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,920
the patterns or I'm going to 
create my army of of alts and 

1019
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,080
I'm going to just own the 
auction house. 

1020
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,840
And that's my end game. 
And that isn't something that 

1021
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:59,880
might challenge some people's 
fragile nature of what they feel

1022
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:04,760
is threatening to their sense of
what the game should be. 

1023
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:14,720
And so it feels, it feels like 
people are being disingenuous 

1024
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:20,280
when something else shows up 
that just so happens to cater 

1025
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:27,680
like it just be like directed to
a lighter hearted sort of sort 

1026
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,120
of thing. 
Hearthstone has been using the 

1027
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:35,280
same light hearted sort of 
nature before, and just because 

1028
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:40,480
the Hearthstone ads haven't 
prominently featured a female 

1029
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,360
blood elf in in some of them 
doesn't mean that this isn't the

1030
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:50,880
exact same sort of like 
subversion of what Wow is. 

1031
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:56,480
Because she is such a fighter in
the initial parts and she is 

1032
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:03,960
right there slashing and slicing
and dicing and then she finds 

1033
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,920
the piece that she wanted and 
it's just this euphoric. 

1034
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,520
Like, yes. 
And if you don't understand 

1035
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,560
that, that is wow. 
You are never have haunted for 

1036
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,120
your Moby Dick Captain Ahab 
mount. 

1037
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,800
You have never been tracking 
down Decor. 

1038
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:27,000
You have never defeated a boss 
that was eluding you for how 

1039
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,680
many Poles and not have like 
that, that moment of euphoria 

1040
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:35,040
that is World of Warcraft. 
That is so much what all of us 

1041
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:39,520
experience when we get the good,
when it's all about the loot. 

1042
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,160
As my friend Coltrane used to 
say constantly on his podcast. 

1043
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,520
You would get that like that, 
that great drop. 

1044
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,200
You'd finally complete your your
tear set. 

1045
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,960
You'd that legendary would be 
forged, Nerd screams. 

1046
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:58,000
You would down the boss, nerd 
screams. 

1047
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:05,840
You would finally kick that team
and get that rating and you'd be

1048
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:10,280
like, Oh my goodness, I've 
reached this rating in PvP. 

1049
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,560
Yeah, buddy. 
Hell yeah. 

1050
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,080
Right. 
That's that's it. 

1051
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,800
That's what this is. 
And I think that's amazing. 

1052
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,320
And I, I, I do want to make it 
clear, I'm not saying I think 

1053
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,600
like you can't critique anything
in World of Warcraft or you're 

1054
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:28,440
like, I mean, first of all, I am
one of the arguably the biggest 

1055
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,040
haters on this podcast. 
So like, obviously I will give 

1056
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,120
critiques. 
And I, I even think you could, 

1057
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,600
like, I personally feel that 
World of Warcraft's writing 

1058
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,440
style tends to struggle a little
bit with differentiating good 

1059
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,040
characters. 
And if they want to show a 

1060
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:47,480
character's good, they kind of 
fall into a, a heap of like just

1061
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,560
everything has to be perfect. 
And they're lose a lot of their 

1062
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,960
like moral greatness because 
they have to make all the good 

1063
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,360
person choices, which is a 
really hard thing to write out, 

1064
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,080
right? 
I think most writers who deal 

1065
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,960
with a lot of stories have a 
tendency to kind of goodness 

1066
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,240
sort of becomes like, oh, but to
be clear, we have to be like 

1067
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,320
anything that's important. 
They have to be good, otherwise 

1068
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,040
they're evil. 
So, but like, I, I, I think the,

1069
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,400
the point of this is to say, I 
think there are valid critiques 

1070
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,800
of certain writing styles in 
World of Warcraft. 

1071
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:18,120
I think there's valid critiques 
of directions in, in certain 

1072
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:19,720
storylines. 
I think there's valid critiques 

1073
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,600
of, of ways, things like ways we
write out stories. 

1074
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,600
I'm, I'm not saying if you 
critique World of Warcraft, 

1075
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,800
you're a misogynist. 
I will also say, though, to the 

1076
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,680
point of like, what if World of 
Warcraft losing, you know, what 

1077
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,800
it originally was originally 
World of Warcraft was really 

1078
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,920
misogynistic and really racist, 
right? 

1079
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:42,440
Like, and, and, and not like in 
a, in a like irredeemable, you 

1080
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,440
know, it was just, they came in 
and they just wrote, I hate 

1081
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,360
women, I hate people of color, I
hate women. 

1082
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:48,840
Like, like obviously there was 
nuance. 

1083
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,240
And my understanding is that 
when it came out, it actually 

1084
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,800
was among the more progressive 
of the games for it's time, 

1085
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,160
right? 
Like it's complicated. 

1086
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:57,600
We're allowed to hold that 
complication. 

1087
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,880
And you can love a complicated 
thing and acknowledge the where 

1088
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,000
it came from and acknowledge 
what issues arose and also what 

1089
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,080
issues continue to exist, right?
I think that's, I, I personally 

1090
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,320
think that's a critical part of 
loving something is being 

1091
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,200
capable of, of holding nuance 
with, of it. 

1092
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:19,359
But the idea that the original 
story writing was unproblematic 

1093
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:25,160
and didn't hold biases that were
held by the the writers, I think

1094
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,920
is provably untrue. 
And I think that growing through

1095
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,359
that is going to mean that some 
of the things that we expect, 

1096
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,880
you know, that if you played 
from the beginning that you 

1097
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,279
expect from World of Warcraft 
have to be written out. 

1098
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,279
And I think that's, that's good,
that's growth, that's becoming 

1099
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:42,800
something better. 
That's acknowledging the spaces 

1100
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:46,680
where something you were doing 
was problematic or, or or not 

1101
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,200
what you thought or like you 
didn't fully understand 

1102
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,080
something or you held a belief 
you didn't, you know, in 

1103
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,319
retrospect, you find 
embarrassing, which again, is 

1104
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:55,479
true of all of us. 
I'm really truly not trying to 

1105
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:59,160
like decimate the the World of 
Warcraft team or make like, say 

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this one person is a bad person,
right? 

1107
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I that's a that that is how you 
develop and grow. 

1108
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That's not a loss. 
That's not a failure. 

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That is growing up and maturing.
I would say that that is 100% 

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true and you can see that in the
character development of Thrall,

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who is basically being like 
Metzen's self insert into the 

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game where as we got the 
cataclysm, he got married. 

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As we moved on, he has kids, he 
stepped aside and let the next 

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generation take take their place
at the helm. 

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He has like had to come to terms
with like what issues he has 

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created. 
Like could it be that like, the 

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monster that Garage is, is kind 
of also a monster that Metzen 

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felt that he created? 
There's so much analogies of 

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like how Metzen's life evolved, 
how his views evolved, and how 

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the World of Warcraft has 
evolved. 

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And that didn't happen overnight
in one single thing. 

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That's been a constant movement 
and as this game has gone on for

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20 plus years, people have come 
on to the project, people have 

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01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,800
left the project, the voice has 
shifted. 

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01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:27,880
That hasn't been suddenly where 
they're like, yeah, we're 

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01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,960
suddenly throwing out all the 
old stuff and going in with the 

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01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,160
new stuff. 
This has been the evolution of 

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Wow for the longest time. 
I think the same thing is true 

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01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,160
that people complaining about 
the Disney fication of Wow has 

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been going on for the longest of
time. 

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So nothing new under the sun. 
I guess just more cycles, much 

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like Solitas abuse. 
But we're going to be back with 

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more stuff next week. 
If you like this episode, make 

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sure you join us for the 
conversations that we have in 

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the discord. 
That's bit dot LY slash fast 

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discord. 
And until next week, guys, may 

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all your hits be crit.