1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,280 Give me fun and I will engage with that. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,039 Leave me busy work and I will find a way to circumvent that by 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,800 doing trap cheese or like only going as far as the highest 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,560 reward and then checking out. Victory for the Forsaken. 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,440 For Lauderon. For the Karen tour for. 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,160 Pandaria. For calendar. 7 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:27,600 To. The burning region. 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,520 For Gilnaeus, but has not died for the Lich King. 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,280 For the. Sindori for the Alliance, for 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:46,200 the Horde, for Azeroth Hello and welcome back to another episode 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,560 of For Azeroth. I am your host, the true 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,960 villain, Manny, and we are back to the complete trifecta of the 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,920 Triumphant First from Heart's Unknown, 'cause I can't even 14 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,720 remember what states I've done. We have Lex Rans. 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,519 Hello Lex, how are you? And I'm sorry that bit is now 16 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:06,240 officially over. People can tell us how. 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,080 Well, it was we, we were gonna start hitting walls and I, I do 18 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,040 think it's very funny that I think we got to none of the 19 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,920 states that I've lived in the entire time. 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,120 So I which frankly, I kind of doxed myself a little 'cause you 21 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,800 could process of elimination it down. 22 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,160 But I'm doing good, Manny. I have been out and about 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,440 traveling the world with my with my lovely family. 24 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,640 So, you know, not as much World of Warcraft, although I mean, 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,000 have you read the news? We ball, we ball. 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,560 I'm back and I'm ready to go. OK, I kind of want to ask about 27 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,840 that so. The news. 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,000 No you coming back and how ready to go can you be? 29 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,360 You've been away for like 2 weeks ish. 30 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,800 When you came back like with the stuff that had been released 31 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,080 with like your Guild progressing, how much did it 32 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,080 feel like you were really behind? 33 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,880 How easy was it for you to catch up? 34 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,240 So that's a funny question, Manny, because the real answer 35 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,040 to that question is every single night I've thought to myself, do 36 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,800 I want to try to sleep off jet lag or do I want to play World 37 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,880 of Warcraft? And most nights I've decided to 38 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,200 sleep off jet lag. And I haven't had jet lag for 39 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,240 like, so I'm pretty far behind to be completely honest. 40 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,840 And honestly, my team is the like half the officer team is 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,400 going to be out for the next couple weeks. 42 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,280 So we're going to have one more night of progression and then 43 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,160 we're going to take a little bit of a brief rating break so we 44 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,320 can get everyone back and then we're going to start hitting 45 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:48,320 progression again. I have been struggling a bit 46 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,440 with motivation, which is funny because when I started the 47 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:56,480 season I was really, really excited about everything. 48 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:02,400 And I do feel a little bit like I've capped what I can get doing 49 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:08,240 the content I want to do and I really like. 50 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,480 I know I need to get into mythic plots, I know I need to start 51 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:17,400 pushing there, but I'm having like going on and pugging as 52 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,760 ADPS just sounds like such a little nightmare. 53 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,760 And all of my friends go to bed like, you know, two hours. 54 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,240 Or like I I go to bed 2 hours out before they log on. 55 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,120 So I have been having a little bit of a rough time driving 56 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,080 myself to get on and play and I could be making this up. 57 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,560 To be fair, I do tend to be a little bit of a raid logger 58 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,600 relatively soon. I feel like I've been feeling 59 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,280 more of that with other people recently. 60 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,680 Like I, I, I feel like for this point in the season, I'm, I'm 61 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,160 seeing potentially a little bit more burnout just in the circles 62 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:51,600 I'm running with that I'm used to. 63 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,840 So I don't know if it's the cadence of the expansion. 64 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,120 I don't know if it's the content. 65 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,200 I don't, I don't know if I'm making it up, but it, it, it's 66 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,400 funny because I really adored midnight going into it. 67 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:10,760 I was having so much fun and I am like, I to some degree, I 68 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,000 think I apologize, need to get myself back on the horse, right? 69 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:18,920 But I'm hitting the wall of like, all this really cool 70 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,839 content is no longer really giving me anything. 71 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,920 And so it doesn't feel as good to do and not finding myself as 72 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,280 motivated to like, go do my cute little praise and stuff as 73 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,160 usual. So yeah, but to answer your 74 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,320 question Manny, I will have a very good excuse for being 75 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,360 bottom of the DPS meters for a hot sack. 76 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:38,120 I mean, you've got two weeks to sort of make up that gap, so 77 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,600 perhaps it won't matter when you get back to progress. 78 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,080 That's interesting. Would love to go into that more. 79 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,200 But before we do anything, we have to bring in the third part 80 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,760 of the triumphant. We have, of course, the 81 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,160 wonderful, the terrific, the sensational. 82 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,480 Sean. Hello, Sean. 83 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,920 How are you and how's the World of Warcraft been treating you? 84 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,600 Hey Manny, I'm doing good. Warcraft's been great. 85 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,280 I was also away. I didn't go on the same cruise 86 00:05:06,280 --> 00:05:09,560 that Lex went on. I did my bird watching from 87 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:14,920 land. But I I went to LFG London 2026. 88 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,760 My third time going. I was operating the stream 89 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,480 production. This time I won't say that I ran 90 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,080 the production because I did not build the production and did not 91 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,880 test the production and we had some issues with the production 92 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:36,200 that would not we would not have had had I done either of those 93 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,760 things. But it was a lot of fun. 94 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,160 I get to hangover some folks. I get to meet Taliassin and 95 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,080 Evitel, which was cool. I get to meet Preach, which was 96 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,000 pretty cool. And more important, I get to 97 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,520 hang out with all of my friends. The group from Fates were 98 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,880 Forged, Dan, Mr. GM, all kinds of people just really enjoy 99 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,840 myself to meet or not that she probably doesn't listen to this 100 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:57,920 show, but if she does, she was lovely to see again. 101 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,080 Yes, that was a lot of fun. Then I came home. 102 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:02,800 We moved our raid days because I was gone. 103 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,240 We normally rate Thursday Sunday but I was gone Thursday to 104 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,720 Monday so we rated Tuesday. That's some good Bellerin 105 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,560 Prague. I think we talked about that on 106 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,200 Wednesday before I left last episode and then came home 107 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,160 Monday just knackered. That's a word I picked up in 108 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,280 London from the flight and we jumped right into Bellerin 109 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:25,920 Monday night and we got the kill. 110 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,080 So it was lucky for me. I did spend some time at LFG. 111 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,920 Nate was there, Nate, former Tank from BDGG, formerly from 112 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,280 Method and currently of this is fine. 113 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,560 World rank 67 on A2 on a on a 2 day a week schedule. 114 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,760 They only rate Saturday, Sunday and they got world rank 67. 115 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,480 It's pretty impressive. Relax. 116 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,280 Pretty impressive. Just drop. 117 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:51,320 I'm just saying just drop 2 ranks man. 118 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,960 Oh, so it could be 69. I get it. 119 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,440 Yeah. Yeah. 120 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:57,600 Anyway, spent some time talking to him. 121 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,960 He gave me some tips and some pointers and then we came home. 122 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:04,440 We just smashed the bird and now we're on Lura Hall of Fame is 123 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,840 technically still open. I think there's 100 and 91192 124 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:11,840 kills as of this recording. It'll close Tuesday. 125 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,920 That they it will for sure get the 200 needed before the end of 126 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,400 this week and will likely close on Tuesday, which hopefully 127 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,560 means nerves for our true Prague start. 128 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,080 We are going to be rating tomorrow and Sunday 2 full days 129 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,760 in, in what I assume is a premier of state. 130 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,440 But hopefully we see some Hall of Fame close and see some 131 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,080 nerves on Tuesday. I'm not one of those people. 132 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,040 There's you, you just notice that there's some people who 133 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,640 like get really, really horny to they're like, I want to fight 134 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,640 the boss in the raid state. I want to, I want to fight them 135 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,520 when they're the hardest as they could possibly be. 136 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,440 I don't want to fight any nerves bosses. 137 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,560 I'm I'm not one of those people. I have 0 desire to fight a boss 138 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,960 that I have no shot of killing. Like yeah no thanks. 139 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,640 So I'm I'm ready for whatever nerves they bring. 140 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,960 Let's let's get them so we can get our kill and move on with 141 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:07,360 the rest of our season. I have been one of those people 142 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,920 that has killed a boss after like directly after he got 143 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,360 nerfed and felt disappointed because I would have liked to 144 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,680 have least tested myself against the unnerved version. 145 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:25,320 And there are times where it like could rightly have done it. 146 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,160 There are times where I'm really just having a better impression 147 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,920 of myself than I have any right to have. 148 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,039 But either way, the questions just left up there. 149 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:43,200 We had said a couple of episodes back that maybe they should do 150 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,680 tuning that is there for the entirety of the Hall of Fame. 151 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:52,360 And who cares if it gets like killed super quickly by half the 152 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,880 guilds and then it finally fills out. 153 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,960 And that kind of goes back to that question like is this 154 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:07,040 progressive tuning good for some guilds, bad for other guilds? 155 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,920 Are you the Guild that is on the wrong side of the nerf and 156 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,920 therefore feel bad when it gets weaker and hey, one more week 157 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,640 and we would have gotten it? Are you the on the other side 158 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,480 and still on the bad side where it's like this boss is 159 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,240 impossible to prog until that was nerves come in. 160 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:27,120 So there's always going to be that question. 161 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,880 I think that there's many different ways of looking at it 162 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,200 for sure. I think if you and your team 163 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,560 were good enough to kill a boss pre nerf you would have. 164 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,200 Not you specifically, you, no. No, I mean like the general you, 165 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:49,000 I do think that some teams have learning curves and they might 166 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,760 reach a boss just in a point where no, no learning curve is 167 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,000 going to let them get to it within the time left. 168 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,400 But yes, it could have gone. So this is definitely one of 169 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,640 those times where I'm going to be like so much nuance that at 170 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,320 your take. Sorry guys. 171 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,680 Yeah, I don't forgive you. Yeah, I mean, you could factor 172 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:12,400 in, you can factor in raid days ago. 173 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,360 Well, we only raid two days a week, so that's why we didn't 174 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,240 get it post nerf, pre nerf, that kind of thing. 175 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,280 But I mean, it all comes down to if if you were a team that was 176 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,560 going to get it, you would raid more days a week. 177 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:27,880 I, I just, yeah, I'm, I, I. I, I don't, I don't think so 178 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,840 like personal circumstances or personal circumstances. 179 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:37,240 I'm sure that you are right about a number of groups. 180 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,680 What that what that looks like is some Venn diagram that I'm 181 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:42,400 not personally going to invest time into. 182 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,520 No, but listen, nobody's going to leave comments for us to read 183 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,560 if I don't say something incendiary. 184 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,560 Yeah. I've already covered our our 185 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:54,200 bird watchers and our antivirus enjoyers. 186 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,560 Now it's time. Now it's time for the the no 187 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:00,480 nerf bird. I don't believe that's how you 188 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,320 pronounce that virus name, but that's all right. 189 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,840 It's a new virus. We'll figure it out. 190 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:12,480 Is that not how it's pronounced? Yeah, I did rating this week. 191 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:18,680 One of my teams completed it. It was really sad because we 192 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,000 felt bad about not completing it last week. 193 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,240 We're like 01 more pool. We'll have done it and we walked 194 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,120 in this week and one shot it. Nice. 195 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,520 So maybe we should have done that one last pool just to say 196 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,320 that we had done it a week, a week prior. 197 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,960 And I guess that technique is within this week because we 198 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,840 completed that on Monday before the reset. 199 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,800 So blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Which is good means that now I 200 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,760 get to take a step back from five straight hours of rating 201 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,200 two nights a week and cut that down to 2 1/2 hours of rating 202 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:56,760 two nights a week. And that should help a bit, but 203 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,320 we have a lot of power that is coming our way with this week's 204 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:06,080 reset because they have now introduced the Ascendant Void 205 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,600 course. So Sean, this is the power 206 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:15,280 boost, the turbo boost like edition that we were promised. 207 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:18,520 How is it working out on servers? 208 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,000 Because I'm going to be flat honest. 209 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,960 I have not logged into Wow since I killed the boss on Monday. 210 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,400 I was like time for me to take a step back so I don't completely 211 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,560 burn out. So how is this working on 212 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:35,200 servers? As of now it is. 213 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:40,240 You log in, you get your you get another weekly quest to collect 214 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,600 3 tokens for the ascendant nil hammer. 215 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:50,000 You give those and you get those from doing bountiful delves, 216 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,040 mythic plus raid, you know that kind of stuff. 217 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,200 You give those to his name is Decimus, and then you get 218 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,400 another that unlocks the quest to gather the actual item that 219 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,040 you need to gather to get. You get your upgrades and it 220 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:12,160 requires five of those in order to get a single upgrade. 221 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,640 So because if you're a 2 handed user, congratulations, you only 222 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,240 need to get 15. You have to collect 15 of these 223 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,920 items to upgrade your two trinkets and your weapon. 224 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,200 You're a sword and shield or sword and offhand or one one 225 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,720 hand offhand or dual wielder. You need to collect 20 and these 226 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:36,120 drop now at 100% rate from mythic plus and and above. 227 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,560 Is there anything below 10 though? 228 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:46,840 Mythic plus 10 and above, Bountiful tier 11 delves and all 229 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,040 raid bosses. Those are 100% drop rate, and 230 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,520 it's a high drop rate from tier 5 ritual sites. 231 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:59,080 I think it might be, yeah, I don't think it's 100%, but it's 232 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,520 a high drop rate from tier 5 ritual sites. 233 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,960 And then they have lowered the drop rate because prior to like 234 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:10,200 an hour ago, these were a chance to drop in all content and the 235 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,280 best way to get them was to spam Tier 1 ritual sites. 236 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,280 You can complete those in about two to three minutes and then 237 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,040 your mileage will vary on on the RNG of the drop rate. 238 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,400 Also, I think Warcraft players are exceptionally bad at 239 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,960 statistics and I just don't think they know how they work 240 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,120 because I was seeing people who, and my Guild mentions this as 241 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,760 well, seeing people who were like, oh, the drop rate of this 242 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,640 is extremely low. I haven't gotten one in 20 runs 243 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,480 and other people saying no, it's extremely high. 244 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:45,480 I got eight in ten runs and it's like, guys, it's RNG and those 245 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:50,000 are extremely small sample sizes and dear God, please. 246 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,480 And there were like there were people who they were, they would 247 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,040 get a bunch running them and then they wouldn't get any for a 248 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,320 few in a row. And they're like guys, they 249 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,240 nerved ritual sites. They stealth nerfed ritual 250 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,760 sites. I haven't got like that's 251 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:07,840 literally how RNG works. I don't anyway they're 100% now, 252 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,360 but they lowered the drop rate in in Tier 1 ritual sites to go 253 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,000 out there get these items. It's just get it and then attach 254 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,480 it to your weapon and your trinkets and it bumps them up to 255 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,960 298 and enjoy your power spike mid season. 256 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,520 It's when it was a random chance in every content. 257 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:30,800 I think it was kind of awful. But now that it's guaranteed 258 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,960 from specific content I think it's a it's a fine bump. 259 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,200 You were probably going to do, you know, 15 dungeons this week 260 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,720 anyway on one character and if you weren't you would have like 261 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,840 clearing the raid once that's 9. You get 9 from clearing the 262 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,960 raid. So if you're doing LFR, normal, 263 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,400 heroic, any of those clears. I don't know. 264 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:55,960 I assume people are still clearing at this point this 265 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:56,920 season. I don't actually know. 266 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,120 I did. We did unfortunately. 267 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,120 We did our clear on Tuesday. LFR doesn't drop it, it's heroic 268 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,520 and mythic raid and mythic 10 and above. 269 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,600 LFR has a chance to drop it. That's it. 270 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,080 It's just not guaranteed. Yeah, they definitely did they. 271 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,400 Were oh OK, they they just hot fixed to make it OK I'm sorry 272 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:15,640 I'm. Yeah, it's just not one of the 273 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,920 100% one. This time I will say I was just 274 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,240 complaining about how I felt like the content that I like to 275 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,240 do was useless and this immediately makes the delves and 276 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,600 prey very useful. So it didn't. 277 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,520 Come back, I'm super fired up. We're gonna put number and they 278 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,280 also like stealth bumped nightmare prey. 279 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:35,920 Did you or prey in general? Did you? 280 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:36,920 I don't know if that's in our notes. 281 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,640 I'll mention it Now they stealth. 282 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,800 There are stealth buffed, buffed nerfed. 283 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,480 I don't know what direction this is for prey. 284 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,320 They made prey easier. You now they didn't fix 285 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,320 crabstone spawn again like they used to, but now you get more 286 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,400 points for completing a world quest, completing a a fight, the 287 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,040 guy thing or completing one of those little orbs. 288 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,560 You click and you'd no longer lose progress if you die on 289 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,840 Heroic Nightmare. What? 290 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,480 Yeah. Wow. 291 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:09,680 I mean, that's a lot of people who were really, well, I think 292 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:10,880 this is what Lex is about to say. 293 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,000 The the reset on deaths was something that was pushing 294 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,520 people out of nightmare mode. Is this something that will push 295 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,400 you back into nightmare mode? I OK, I mean, I was doing 296 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,640 nightmare mode anyway. I had learned how to be careful, 297 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,720 but like early on in the praise system, I like legitimately 298 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,240 almost cried multiple times because I would be almost there, 299 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,920 like almost there and then like 1 like something would go off. 300 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,680 This is back when I was still trying to figure out how to like 301 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,200 manage the little dude flying at me that I had to interrupt and 302 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,800 like the guy was killing me and I had to start over and I was 303 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,560 like, this is the and I'd already done the world quest. 304 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:46,880 I've done everything that could make it quick. 305 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,680 It was terrible. That is although like, OK, OK, 306 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,080 baby Lex who had just done this for the first time, that would 307 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,480 have been a game changer. Have now that I've kind of 308 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,840 learned how to balance everything. 309 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,920 My a little part of me is like, I mean, like, what's the 310 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,080 challenge? Right? 311 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,640 They who cares? Whatever, I'll just run into the 312 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:13,480 guy if I want to. Although I I I do the one that 313 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,160 really I think they needed to to figure out is this stupid kill 314 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,520 for me thing, because that can trigger when there is literally 315 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,000 nothing you can kill around. And I'm like, all right, kill 316 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,200 me. That I guess I don't know what 317 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,800 to tell you, man, but that those are those are those are very big 318 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,280 and it will make nightmare, if nothing else, very easy because 319 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,640 it was also feeling a little bit like I go do the entire world 320 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,800 Crest and I get like maybe a tiny bump like all right, sick, 321 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,720 whatever. I guess I want to play forever. 322 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,360 Yeah, yeah, they fixed all that. Use my potion. 323 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,640 Yeah, use your health potions. I would and it would not be 324 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,040 enough. It could get me from like 100 325 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,600 down to 0 even like and a little bit. 326 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,360 It was terrible. Yeah, like when you're get close 327 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:55,160 to like 0, that's when you use a pelt motion. 328 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,280 It does. Like I, I, I don't. 329 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,160 And it kills me anyway. Maybe some of us have bad. 330 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:05,160 Gear, literally fight anything and use your Leech that you have 331 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,720 innately as a Demon Hunter to keep yourself alive. 332 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,440 Hey, Sean, if I could fight anything, do you think? 333 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,640 That you would have killed me. Well. 334 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,040 Where was this? Where are you at? 335 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,920 Where there's no enemies around Lex. 336 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,920 In the Great Sea, but still within the area to trigger it. 337 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,200 Because if you're in the air, it doesn't go. 338 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,720 Talk to you as it there's one little chest that like like at 339 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,560 the very bottom of this stupid pit. 340 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,240 It's almost impossible to get out of this stupid pit. 341 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,760 Go find this one stupid little like thing to get out. 342 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,600 You're sort of stuck trying to figure out how to get out. 343 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,240 And then all of a sudden you went to get the stupid chest. 344 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:43,560 You went to get the chest because chest are good for prey. 345 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,720 They help in prey. And then you're like, I'm going 346 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,400 to get the chest and it's going to make it beneficial. 347 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,240 And you're almost there, right? You're just like you're at the 348 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,120 like nearly revealed. You're so excited. 349 00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:54,440 You're almost done with the stupid thing and then all of a 350 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,320 sudden someone decides it's time to kill something and there's 351 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,680 nothing to kill. There's nothing to kill because 352 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,960 you're in the pit of death. You're in the pit of nothing. 353 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:07,840 There's not a single enemy to get and you can't get up because 354 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,800 it's almost impossible. It's not once I launch. 355 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,440 Too bad you can only loot that chest when you have an active 356 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,800 prey, and you can't do it after the prey has been finished. 357 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,120 The chest. The point of looting the chest. 358 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,920 It's. Worse, because looting chests 359 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,880 give you prey you. Know what's worse? 360 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:28,920 Sean Lex is on the only class that can spawn something to kill 361 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,800 with. Like that Feed the demon thing 362 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,160 where you spawn a demon for the buck? 363 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,760 That's still exists. That's gone. 364 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,080 Isn't. It I think it's you know what? 365 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:37,600 I I. Don't. 366 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,880 There's no way they still have to feed the demon. 367 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,840 I I'm, I don't know. You know what I don't know? 368 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,880 I think he's still around. I for sure don't know about it, 369 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,400 but that really does not speak to anything about whether or not 370 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,600 it exists. Really. 371 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,200 Yeah, yeah. Can you? 372 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,280 Another walk the D buff to give yourself 3 seconds of immunity 373 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,320 I. Don't know, Sean. 374 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,920 That's a really good point. I don't know that's not, but 375 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,000 yeah. That's OK D Demon Hunter talk, 376 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,720 I'm sure. I would actually love to hear 377 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,520 from like demon hunters. Maybe we can give Lex some help 378 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,920 so she doesn't have to give up on this like very very precious 379 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,240 chest each week that gets her killed. 380 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,160 I'd love I'd love to hear little tips and tricks. 381 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,680 I have my Demon Hunter that's like level 82 that I'm going to 382 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,440 like probably run around and start getting up to in 90. 383 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,000 So I wouldn't mind some tips either. 384 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,120 So Demon Hunter's out there. Let us know. 385 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:31,160 Let us know what the hell we could do with prey. 386 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,040 Mini tip #1 this is not about prey, but this is about Demon 387 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,600 Hunter. So you're going to want to get 388 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,520 an inertia build and you're going to want to keep that on in 389 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,160 Mythic Plus. And your tank is going to say 390 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,800 why do you keep butt pulling everything? 391 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,600 And you're going to say because I know how to play havoc Demon 392 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,800 Hunter you idiot. So say that you don't love you. 393 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:52,520 I'm not a I, I think I'm going to go with Sean on the vengeance 394 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,560 trip here Plus like Mythic Plus is like when I hit 90. 395 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,040 I'm trying to get to 90. I just need some general tips. 396 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,680 Oh yeah. So the general tip is you got an 397 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,320 inertia build and then you back OK the other egg like. 398 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,520 Just it's. Demon Hunter is so well made. 399 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,880 I love Havoc so much because you just, you backflip out and 400 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,400 nevermind. I'm not going to say a very 401 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,480 boring thing, but it's very exciting. 402 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,680 I think you're going to have fun, Manny. 403 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:12,880 I think the Demon Hunter is very fun. 404 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,160 I think you should have an inertia build though. 405 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,720 I think anyone who doesn't have an inertia is a coward and I'll 406 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,600 say that with my test. If you're not butt pulling in 407 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,480 mythic Plus, why are you playing Demon Hunter? 408 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,560 Maybe they're like remembering what's behind them and turning 409 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,960 the we. Exist, Manny, We exist to make 410 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,720 tanks do their job and clear the whole damn room. 411 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,000 And if you say that's not a tank's job in Mythic Plus, 412 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,800 you're not playing with a Demon Hunter, you're playing with a 413 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,640 Demon Hunter. They don't butt pull. 414 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,200 Anyways, we're gonna move on though. 415 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:52,360 I I think that the cords are great because they're not locked 416 00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:54,120 to like one per week or something like that. 417 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:57,240 The fact that you can like, if you want to take the time, just 418 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,280 grind it out. If you for some reason feel your 419 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,800 average is doing 15 dungeons in a week per character, then the I 420 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,120 guess this automatically happens. 421 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:10,880 I mean yeah, but between dungeons, so even it like yeah, 422 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,480 between dungeons and raids, though most people are if you're 423 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:18,560 I say most people if you're not different, I don't if you I 424 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,120 would fill my vault every week. So that's 8 + 10 or higher that 425 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:25,000 I would do on each character just from that. 426 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,360 And then it's only 7 bosses. So not even a full clear of the 427 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:30,440 raid. You can just do everything. 428 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,560 All the easy ones, Skip the two hard ones. 429 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,400 Yeah, Ballad Bar and the Dragons. 430 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,520 I, I'm not sure if you were you have been listening to the extra 431 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,440 episodes, but I just flat out told Larry I'm just like 432 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,320 average. Means nothing on this show. 433 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,360 Average means nothing. You mean everybody's not average 434 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,840 filling their vault with eight plus 10s or better every week. 435 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,560 That's that's the norm, right? That's what do you. 436 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,080 Mean we all, we all have our own little circles and our own 437 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,480 little play patterns and it's great. 438 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,080 I'm getting kicked out of mythic philosophy because I'm an 439 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,920 Archibald and I'm butt plugged the entire group, in case you're 440 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,920 wondering why I don't feel that. But that's the average for the 441 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:14,560 average. OK, But these are just for 442 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,800 weapons and trinkets, as Sean said. 443 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:22,560 So that's why it is the the 20 and it's a great little push so 444 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,440 that you'll have like I believe it goes up to 298 once you have 445 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,000 the sorry. If it's a mythic. 446 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,880 It has to be a six out of six heroic or 6 out of 6 mythic. 447 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,960 The six out of six mythic will be bumped to 298, right? 448 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,040 If you want to use it on a heroic item because that's the 449 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,520 item you're getting, it will also bump that up several levels 450 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,880 as well. I don't. 451 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,800 Recall there's no reason not to like if you're like, oh man, I 452 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,560 don't want to waste this because I might get the mythic version. 453 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,640 You can just fire them more. So send that on your heroic 454 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,680 trinket, get the power gain, and then just go fire them some more 455 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,480 and. It'll make it easier to fire 456 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,720 more because you've threatened the other weapon. 457 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,360 Yeah, we're. Going to be swimming in these by 458 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,360 the end of the season because they're still like three months 459 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:14,480 left of the season. So every dungeon you do, every 460 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,760 raid bus you kill is going to drop one of these and they only 461 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,400 work on weapons at trinkets. You know what I am really 462 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,760 worried about? The bag space. 463 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,120 Yeah, they're not going to be able to be deleted. 464 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:29,840 They're going to be like the other stuff. 465 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,160 And then it's just going to be like, I guess I'm putting these 466 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:38,720 in the bottom tab of my bank to never think about again even 467 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,160 after Blizzard hot fixes them to actually be able to be 468 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,840 Vanderable or something. Yeah, this is what I'd put in my 469 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,560 void storage if I still had it it. 470 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,920 Can go right next to your cloak. You're, you know. 471 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,160 Which cloak Lex? I'm going to need to be more 472 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,120 specific the. The Nasalt Cloak. 473 00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:00,200 The Battlefield trap cloak. Which is also beside my Reshi 474 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,360 wrap cloak. I still have a. 475 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,280 And my Ratheon cloak from Maha. Damn, they really do not want to 476 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,880 have seasons where you get cloaks. 477 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,840 I still have my denier from like season 2 or something that I 478 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,280 just never ended up spending and I can't get rid of it so I'm 479 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,040 annoyed by this but it's the smallest inconvenience. 480 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,240 Overall, I'm really glad that this is not further negated and 481 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,160 that we can just get that power bump and push push forward. 482 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,040 So next thing you need to worry about isn't coming until 12 483 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,640 point 0.7. Go and refer back to episode 383 484 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,200 if you want Sean and I to give our impressions on that. 485 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,840 For a super in depth upbeat impression, that's how you 486 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,680 should sell that episode. Manny No, no, that that I I will 487 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,840 definitely say that that was one of our most negative episodes 488 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:05,000 that we've had on this show. Yeah, bar the bar was definitely 489 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:11,760 set there. But I do think that that was a 490 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,160 product partly a product of like one, it's exactly what I've been 491 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,280 fearing it would be. Well, mostly what I was fearing 492 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,840 it would be. And two, we are now so deep into 493 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,120 this eight week cadence and now everybody is saying is Blizzard 494 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:30,720 putting out too too much content, specifically too much 495 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,160 casual content is what one article put out. 496 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:40,320 And I kind of want to talk about this as maybe the topic to end 497 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:46,120 this show. I would say that there's a lot 498 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:49,320 of stuff coming out. It's coming out at a pretty good 499 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,200 pace, but the problem isn't that it's too much. 500 00:27:53,960 --> 00:28:02,360 It's that none of it feels worth worthy half the time. 501 00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:05,160 Like they're very, it's very shallow systems. 502 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,880 It's very, you're going to forget about this in X amount of 503 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,960 weeks unless you feel like you have to go back to get whatever 504 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,600 prizes they've locked behind it. It's almost like going to one of 505 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,000 those cheap carnivals and it's like, here's all the games and 506 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,400 you're like, I don't feel like playing like any of these. 507 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,240 And then maybe you look at something like, Oh, I want to 508 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:30,400 get that transmog shield. I want to get that like mount. 509 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,520 And so you're like, I guess I'll whack A mole until I can get 510 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,720 enough coins and so forth. What are you? 511 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,800 What are your take on the content cadence, the content 512 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,160 that we've been getting at this cadence in midnight? 513 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,040 Let's start with you Lex, because you've been away 2 weeks 514 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,200 and I'd love to hear from you again. 515 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,040 Oh yeah, I think, I mean, I, I'm well on record saying I think 516 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,000 it's, it's coming too fast. And also that I do think I, I 517 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:05,640 was really confused with the .5 because it was a ton of filler. 518 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,800 They gave us all sorts of like actual urgent stuff to do, but 519 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,240 only in my like without a ton of depth to the urgent stuff that 520 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,520 would actually gear you and get you the, you know, stuff you 521 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,600 need. And then they were like, also, 522 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,920 in case, you know, you're bored, despite the fact that it's only 523 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,120 been a few weeks and you know, we have a a ton left to do. 524 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,680 And we also gave you some urgent hearing. 525 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,800 Do you want to just screw around for a few hours? 526 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:37,800 And it, it felt unfocused. It it felt like something though 527 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,720 I would have really loved and enjoyed like a a lot of the 528 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,280 content that was put out in the .5 would have been incredible in 529 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,480 a like season 4 right? If if we'd gotten a season 4 and 530 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,240 had decor duel, people would have been over the mood. 531 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,320 If I still don't fully understand the angler thing, but 532 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,800 like probably also I'd something I would have tried out if it was 533 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,960 a season 4, right? That is the I don't know to give 534 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,120 you guys right now. We don't really have the time 535 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,360 and energy to put into real content because we're building 536 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,960 you something really cool and exciting. 537 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,400 So here's the fun thing, right? Here's the little dinky thing 538 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,000 and you and your raid are going to go play around and ha ha, ha, 539 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:20,240 look, I'm a table and you're going to have so much fun at a 540 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,800 .5. It doesn't make sense and it 541 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,440 also doesn't it it it didn't make sense to me either because 542 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:33,840 it felt like I who who I again, I OK, I love the chord duel. 543 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,720 I I I enjoyed playing it while we were playing it, but also 544 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,080 like it didn't feel like it was like it won't. 545 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,920 It didn't feel like people were like Blizzard. 546 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,480 We don't have enough screw around activities in this game. 547 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:50,840 You know what I'm saying? So I am personally not super 548 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,400 happy with the cadence. I think it's too fast. 549 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,440 I think they're putting I think they're biting off way more than 550 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,320 they can chew pretty consistently. 551 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,040 Have I have. I even mean about the like 552 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,920 things you get at the end of the raid in housing. 553 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,360 I feel like they Yeah, OK, I've already been. 554 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,080 Mean about that because they are very low, low effort. 555 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,200 Right. And it just feels like one of 556 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,160 the consistencies with Midnight is that they have all of these 557 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,440 amazing, fun ideas that would be really, really cool. 558 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,080 And for some reason they're acting like they have, you know, 559 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,080 three months to put out the entire video game. 560 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,360 And so they're trying to shove everything in instead of like, 561 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,600 Oh yeah, it would be cool to do to core dual. 562 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,240 Let's do that, you know, in a few months. 563 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,640 Oh, we have this really fun idea of putting in trophies at the 564 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,080 end of raid, but we're trying to put out so much housing decor 565 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,240 that we like nobody can really sit and like, build it out. 566 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,240 What if that was, you know, a Titan thing that's going to be, 567 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,520 you know, that'll make housing feel like a continuous thing 568 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,880 instead of saying we, you know, put all of our resource into 569 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,240 midnight. I, yeah, I think that's, I, I, I 570 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,320 feel like they feel like anything they come up with, they 571 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,600 just have to immediately throw out and they have to immediately 572 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,720 give it to us and put it on the timeline, figure it out and just 573 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,720 shove it at us. And it's just too much. 574 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,520 And it's, it's in my opinion, very clear that people are 575 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,320 getting overworked and can't like things are just not being 576 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,280 put out of the quality or the timing or with the like strategy 577 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,600 that I would expect. And I think that that's not like 578 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,360 a hot take. I don't. 579 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,400 I have any. I'm not of the opinion that I'm 580 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,800 the first person who's come up with that idea, but that is my 581 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,880 biggest concern with Midnight. OK, John, what's your take? 582 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,200 I it's weird, I was talking to some people today and I was 583 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,400 like, by all of the metrics that I'd find joy in, this should be 584 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,960 my favorite expansion. Mythic Plus feels good for the 585 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,400 most part. Raid feels good for the most 586 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,640 part. You know class balancing is 587 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,200 pretty pretty good. Thanks. 588 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,440 Just got a nice little bump. They did the thing that people 589 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,480 have tried for for years and buffed the other tanks instead 590 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,080 of nerfing brewmaster. Although then when they buffed 591 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,240 then people still cried. It was weird. 592 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,760 People are weird but they did the thing right. 593 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,760 So it's like all all of my characters got stronger and on 594 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,160 this reset. So I was like, oh, wow, and this 595 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,560 cost. So the .5 content is exactly 596 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:24,080 what I would want in open world, quote UN quote more casual 597 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,560 content. I can ignore it means nothing. 598 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:34,160 There's if if you don't find joy in the void assaults and you're 599 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,680 not chasing achievement points like some people do, that's your 600 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,840 if that's your thing, cool. But if you don't find joy in in 601 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,920 in void assaults, don't do them. What do you lose when not doing 602 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,960 them? Absolutely nothing. 603 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,240 I did 1 Angel Lamont. I did 1 and never song just to 604 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,720 say I did them. I will never do one again. 605 00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:00,920 I will lose nothing from this. That might be the perfect 606 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,920 example of an open world content piece that's added for me 607 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,960 because I don't want to be given chores that I don't want to do 608 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,760 that I, I don't feel I need to ritual. 609 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,199 Ritual sites, which are worst elves. 610 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,719 You could do those to farm your transmog. 611 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:24,040 It took me 4 ritual sites to get enough of the ritual site tokens 612 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,880 to buy all of the transmog from the random vendor. 613 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,159 So I did them and I've done a couple cents because I have a 614 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:31,960 friend who's a mount collector and he's like, hey, I'm going to 615 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,120 do this for this mount or he's going to, he's finishing up 616 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,840 achievements and I like playing with my friends. 617 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,639 So I just tag along. But I'm not there for the 618 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,480 rituals, but there if you want gearing, shelves are a much 619 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,360 better way to gear than a ritual site is and already accessible. 620 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,520 So if you're not chasing that transmog and you don't care 621 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,199 about achievements, you can do one and call it call it a day. 622 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:58,960 And that's, I mean, that's, that's exactly what I want. 623 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,480 Now, I would say, I don't know who these are for. 624 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,480 So in my mind, it's like, why are we spending development time 625 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,800 on the like? Why do these exist? 626 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,200 And somebody said, Hey, you know, you like to do dungeons. 627 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,200 If you could only do one dungeon over and over again, that would 628 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,760 get boring. This is similar to that. 629 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,360 You like to do delves. People like to do delves. 630 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,480 Well, they don't want to just do the same for delves every day. 631 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,880 Now you can mix in a ritual site and it's something to another. 632 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,280 OK, cool. I don't I guess that logic sort 633 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:33,160 of makes sense to me, but it's still a worse, it's still a 634 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,280 worse a worse delve as far as gearing goes. 635 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,080 So I mean, I'm and I have not having done Abyssal Anguish 636 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,280 because there's absolutely nothing I want from it. 637 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,320 So that purple triangle is going to stay in the corner of my as 638 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,280 well. I'm on map until I fucking die. 639 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,000 So yeah, I don't know. It's to me that's like a 640 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,280 perfect. Those three things are the 641 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:04,600 perfect example of a .5 patch open world content that I could 642 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:11,640 ask for because I can just ignore them and I think that 643 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,200 should make me happy, right? I should be like, oh great, they 644 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,160 are giving me exactly what I want. 645 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,080 But for some reason my brain is like, why did you release these 646 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,240 things I don't want to do? Why didn't you make this content 647 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:26,920 for me? I don't care like, but I don't 648 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,120 have that same hang up with housing. 649 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,440 They released housing. I was really excited about it. 650 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,360 I got really hot and heavy into housing early on. 651 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,320 I was watching a bunch of videos and I haven't been back to my 652 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,240 house since December in game and I haven't watched a housing 653 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:44,040 video in two months. So I've I've completely housing. 654 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,280 Might as well not even exist for me now. 655 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,840 It might as well be, but that doesn't bother me. 656 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,720 I'm not upset by that. It might as well be and it seems 657 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,800 like you cut out for me the. Yeah, Riverside. 658 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,360 Riverside censored your punchline there. 659 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,520 Yeah, that's weird. OK, I was, I was like, did I? 660 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,280 Did you actually not hear it? Did you not? 661 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,760 Hear it? Oh, I said it might as well be 662 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,240 pet battles. That's so weird. 663 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,360 Yeah, it literally cut out. I was like. 664 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,120 That's hilarious. Yeah. 665 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,960 So I don't know. But something is. 666 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,400 There's something's rotten in Denmark, basically. 667 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,360 I don't know. I should be as happy as I've 668 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,800 ever been. Playing the game right now and 669 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,960 I've I the only thing I can think is that my everything 670 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,880 about the UI still feels a little bit off losing the 671 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,640 information we don't have it's and I feel like that has somehow 672 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,520 it's like Grima worm tongued its way into my brain to make me ate 673 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,200 midnight because of the way the narrative flowed over this whole 674 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,560 thing. But as far as as far as this 675 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,240 content goes, like I I, I I'm I'm good for a break or whatever 676 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:51,800 because I'm not doing ritual sites. 677 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,880 I'm not doing assaults, void assaults, you know, and I can't 678 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,640 swim, so I won't do a Bissell Angler. 679 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,880 But yeah, I don't know. I like even the people that I 680 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,680 know that are collectors that do them for achievements, they're 681 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,800 not like, I don't know anybody who's like gagging to get into 682 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,120 to void assaults. Oh man, I can't wait to log on 683 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,520 and do a 45 minute void assault or 88 marl or whatever. 684 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,400 Whatever you get from it, I don't know, but yeah, it's it's 685 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,200 and it's crazy. It's crazy to me. 686 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,400 Like Blizzard, you gave me exactly what I want. 687 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,800 This is exactly what I should want. 688 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,720 So thank you. I'm not going to complain about 689 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:28,240 it. Thank. 690 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,040 You I really like that. That is a well that is a self 691 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,200 aware take. I appreciate that. 692 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:45,480 I think that when I look at this content and I want to be excited 693 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:47,840 for it, it's like Blizzard, why aren't you doing something to 694 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,160 make me excited? But I, I 100% agree with you. 695 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,960 I don't want the wow chores return of Wow chores. 696 00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,840 Hey guys, you need to like farm six of the small things to get 3 697 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,440 of the medium things to get one of the thing that actually 698 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,160 matters. And we're going to have you do 699 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,760 that every week so that you can do this stuff. 700 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,880 I, I'm, I'm happy about that. I just dislike that the stuff 701 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:20,000 that I do need to engage in is constantly having a little more 702 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,120 track added to it, a little more track added to it, right? 703 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,920 That's the point that like, just absolutely irritates me with 704 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:35,280 this content. What I want from it isn't a lot, 705 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,200 isn't for it to like not exist or be good for me. 706 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:43,720 I want it to be good, period. I want it to like get the space 707 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,680 that it deserves. If you're going to have the 708 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:53,600 Decor duel, I think that Lex did a great analogy if that was in. 709 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,560 I completely forgot Decor duel when I was talking about the 710 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,320 things that came because it was a 2 day thing. 711 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,680 I was two days when I was done. You were like, oh, OK, I'm on 712 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,880 the decor duel next week. Now I'm done with decor duel. 713 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,720 It's like, oh. Literally literally took me two 714 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:10,560 days and that was it was like 2 short sessions and I had all of 715 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,760 the transmog and I'm out. I'll never be a plant again. 716 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,800 I think that they could have that come again. 717 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,720 I would love if the core duels got assimilated in the 718 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:23,360 neighborhoods. I think that there's a lot of 719 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,120 spaces in the two neighborhoods that could be areas to do decor 720 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,400 duels that hey, if teams want to do that and then it gives out 721 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,960 decor for a decor duel. Oh, wow, look at that theming. 722 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,760 Maybe a lot of this stuff is things that they were testing 723 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,320 systems and might come in later. I'm hoping that with the 724 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,560 general, because you're not the only person that I've heard 725 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,480 saying that like virtual sites are just worse delves. 726 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:55,720 So I'm hoping that like they tested it, they're like, OK, 727 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:57,880 people don't like putting affixes in delves. 728 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:04,400 We'll leave Delves alone. But so this is I, I'm so excited 729 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,720 about all of this. I was so excited about it. 730 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,160 And I like, I feel like I was the person who was supposed to 731 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,080 like ritual sites and the the void assaults. 732 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,000 And I, I mean, like, first of all, I'll go back to what I said 733 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,840 ages ago, which is that all of this would have been about a pre 734 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,480 patch. Just like even before this. 735 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,360 I, when I heard them talk about it, I was like, oh, that's gonna 736 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,480 be pre patch. But no, I think ritual sites had 737 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,000 so much promise. And then they gave us one and it 738 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,720 was like 1 at a time and it was very boring. 739 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,200 And like, like it did, it was I, I thought it was very funny that 740 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,440 Sean was saying that his friend was like, oh, well, if you only 741 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,320 had one mythic plus and you did it again and again and again, 742 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,320 wouldn't you find that boring? They gave us and I honestly kind 743 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,240 of like, yeah, I think they probably are going to take away 744 00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:55,040 the lesson. Nobody wants affixes in delves 745 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,440 and I wish they wouldn't. I wish they would take away the 746 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,480 lesson. Nobody wants to run one scenario 747 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,000 over and over again until the day they die because I think 748 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,480 ethics is in Dallas can be really sick. 749 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,960 I think outdoor Dallas can be really sick right, like I think 750 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,720 that could have been a really cool idea and I'd love to see 751 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:15,240 them experiment with it more when I don't have to do 1 752 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,000 outdoor kill all the not a that are standing in the same stoop. 753 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,840 I clearly I did this day one and I was like, I do not want to do 754 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,560 this ever again. So I don't know what the other 755 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,040 one is because I simply do not want to do one thing a million 756 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:26,480 times. However. 757 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,960 I would love to find out. I would love to be a family on 758 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:31,960 the wall. When they look at like 759 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,200 engagement, they look at numbers and like, how do they measure? 760 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:38,440 Because if you look at the, the engagement statistics for ritual 761 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,960 sites, like they took a huge spike yesterday. 762 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,920 People were spam writing them and I guess they take, oh, look, 763 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,600 people like virtual sites. You were wrong. 764 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,960 They just needed some time to cook. 765 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,120 Like, well, no, obviously it's, it's for these, these things 766 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,760 we're trying to get the drop. That's why these we're doing. 767 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,400 I want to know because I'm with you. 768 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,800 I think the idea of affix is to add affixes to delves could be 769 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,040 fun give people who are delve only players or people who just 770 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,680 enjoy delves a challenge. But that's that needs to not be 771 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,440 the take away from the rituals like that. 772 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,520 The the challenges aren't why they are why it's worst elves. 773 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,840 Worst elves because you just get worse gear and worse rewards 774 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,320 from doing it and there's only one of them. 775 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,960 And Speaking of statistics, I just refreshed Twitter and the 776 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:23,880 top tweet from one hour ago is T5 ritual sites aren't good for 777 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,000 shards. We went O for seven. 778 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,120 OK, well, you know what, like a lot of Warcraft statistics and 779 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,560 stars, we're never going to touch them. 780 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:42,080 I would say that the that there's definitely multiple ways 781 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,520 that they get feedback. We've seen them put out 782 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,160 questionnaires. We've we know that they do focus 783 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,600 groups. We know that they have like all 784 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,840 the analytics that they have for the in game and they're reading 785 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,480 forms and and people tweet at them. 786 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,640 So I'm not, I suspect that they get a more robust thing than 787 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,280 they look at like a spike in it and can't see that there's like 788 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,560 4 Wowhead articles that are like run your run your ass into like 789 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,360 the voyage rituals 20 times to get your stuff. 790 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:14,600 This stuff, if it is a test bed, I think that like because like, 791 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,640 hey, we're not getting enough testing on the PTR because it's 792 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,920 so fast. So let's, let's be more free 793 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,680 with this experimental content. It's even more reason to let 794 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,160 that experimental content breathe. 795 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,840 Like when you have thunderstorm, thunderstorm is the highlight 796 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,560 and it gets its time. When you have remix, remix is 797 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,520 the highlight and it gets its time. 798 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,320 The same thing with this, we are about to go into 12 point O 7 799 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,560 and one thing that's coming from remix is this heroic and mythic 800 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,880 tier of world content. And now it's going to be 801 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,680 specifically for these areas that we were talking about. 802 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,080 But like, is that something that they're like, OK, let's do a 803 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:59,000 bigger test here And then in the next expansion or something, it 804 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:04,840 becomes more ubiquitous. I would think that that's a good 805 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,600 way of doing it. But they like, I just feel like 806 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,840 the earlier testing needs to breathe more because like abyss 807 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,160 anglers, you're right. It's going to be a purple 808 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:21,440 triangle in the corner of a zone for as long as I can deal with 809 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,880 that annoyance because I am one of those people that will like 810 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,000 start going like, I'm just going to clear this out, just get 811 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,680 through the initial thing just so that triangle's gone. 812 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,920 Can I make it taste so spicy? Am I going to be kicked off the 813 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,120 show? No, you can. 814 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,800 You can get spicy as long as you don't talk about wild head. 815 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,520 OK, Hell yeah. I think that they should bring 816 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,280 back Season 4. I think having a stupid little 817 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,320 season at the end when the doves can kind of breathe and use that 818 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,680 time to be prepping for, you know, the the next big thing, I 819 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,480 think that's great. I think it gives us an 820 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,000 opportunity. I think they clearly have a lot 821 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,880 of devs, devs who are very good and I do not mean this as an 822 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,320 insult, who are very good at Dick around content. 823 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,560 And I think, sorry, maybe I, I don't know if I can say that on 824 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:05,520 air. Yeah, it's my Coco. 825 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,840 I but but like I think they have a so many people who are like, 826 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,400 oh, this would be a fun little time waster and they're good at 827 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,000 it. I think. 828 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,760 I love decor rules. I thought it was thick and so 829 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,600 that would that if we had a Season 4, that it's like you 830 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,640 guys are all a little sleepy because we just pushed content 831 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,040 at you so fast. Go hang out with your Guild, go 832 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,920 do silly little goofy things. We have all these silly little 833 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,360 goofy ideas who we want to test with you guys and maybe if 834 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,440 they're good we'll bring them back, but if not, then who 835 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:33,320 cares? It's Season 4. 836 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,440 We're all having fun. I think that was good. 837 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,880 I think it gave people a chance to rest. 838 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,120 I think it gave jabs a chance to reset. 839 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,280 I think it was a as much as everyone whined about it, I 840 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,920 think it was a positive for the game. 841 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,200 I like having a season that doesn't matter. 842 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,400 I I disagree because I don't like season fours. 843 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:58,240 I felt they were the like absolute like why am I 844 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:00,840 subscribed to this kind of game sort of time? 845 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,360 And I would prefer that the the quote UN quote Dick around 846 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:11,880 content, the the let's just have some fun content be coming out 847 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:17,720 as we're going through stuff. What I yeah, I I just feel like 848 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,960 maybe the eight week cadence is making it that like I never feel 849 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,120 like I have the time to like explore this fun, fun content. 850 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,440 And I, and I also think that like I wouldn't mind if it was 851 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,720 like pushed to an area where it's like, OK, here is the 2 new 852 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:43,240 zones coming in 12 point O 7. And in those zones that we also 853 00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:50,800 have the two, the two new levels of world content, but that's 854 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,920 going to be put on all world content and that'll help people 855 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,840 catch up to Ward's stuff, right. And so that becomes like, oh, 856 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,920 OK, cool. That's the invention of of 12 857 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,760 point 0.7. And then that can like go on. 858 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,800 And now I have like heroic content that I could put into 859 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,880 put into stuff going forward. And then the 12 point O 5 is 860 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,080 like, here's the housing stuff and we're doing a bunch of stuff 861 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,920 with housing and hey, you can go back to go back and check out 862 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,360 housing. And so all that stuff goes in, 863 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,080 like I said, decor duel and all of that. 864 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:29,240 And then in the 12 point 1.5 they're like they say we're 865 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,960 refreshing pet battles and pet battles are a big thing. 866 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,080 And so like, if I don't care about pet battles or I don't 867 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,080 care about housing or I don't care about world content, now I 868 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,360 have the time to catch up on that other thing that I may not 869 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,840 have had time from before X in the like point X season from 870 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,560 before, right? And do that. 871 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,560 So or I go like, OK, maybe now I've got time, time for housing. 872 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,480 Like what's the what's the spotlight, Blizzard? 873 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,000 What do you got me focused on here? 874 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,960 And love it or leave it like each week we have. 875 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,760 Do you want to do time walking? Do you want to do PvP? 876 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,520 Do you want to do do this? They could do a similar sort of 877 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,680 theme of focus with patches and I think that would at least make 878 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:16,880 me take notice of it more. So I hear that. 879 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,720 I think the first thing that I would say immediately is nobody 880 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:23,840 does content like does filler content. 881 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,760 Maybe that's OK. I do not do filler content when 882 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,280 it's not shiny and new. It's possible that you guys are 883 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,800 more like locked into the rewards of the content versus 884 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,640 the fun silly game of the content. 885 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,520 And therefore you're less concerned of like, oh, is this a 886 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,040 fun, exciting, shiny new thing? So maybe I'm wrong. 887 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,520 Maybe everyone would actually go back and do it. 888 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,880 But OK, I, I, I do, I will say I do think a lot of the issue is 889 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,360 the cadence. I really think 8 weeks is too 890 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,520 short. I feel constantly underwater, 891 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,920 which kind of makes me just want to check out like, all right, 892 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,480 sick. I can't keep up anyway, So best 893 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:02,040 of luck. And I think it also makes me 894 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,440 feel honestly, especially because I kind of like filler 895 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,680 content. I kind of like having silly time 896 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,800 that it's like, Oh yeah, I'm geared up, but now I get to go 897 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,960 play my silly little video game for fun and would. 898 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,640 You play Secrets of Azeroff back in Dragonflight. 899 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,920 I don't think so, no. The the like get the hat that 900 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,080 like sends you in a different direction. 901 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:30,640 So like you never touch that. OK, Did you ever do the I forget 902 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,400 what what they were called the they they were like the 903 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:39,640 archaeology group that would like dig up the place in in the 904 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,320 Azure Span I. Think they maybe do a little. 905 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,840 Bit of that. But not a ton. 906 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,960 OK, So maybe what we're learning is I don't actually do failure 907 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,200 content. OK. 908 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,880 Sean, did you do any of those? I did the dig site one because I 909 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,560 wanted the trans mob. OK, that was it. 910 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,560 I don't so I would rather shoot myself in the face than have 911 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:06,040 another season 4. Just I want to make sure I'm 912 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,840 super clear on that. I get it. 913 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,520 I understand why you like it, but season so I don't. 914 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:18,520 I I will never ever ever ever ever ever ever want to have to 915 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,840 go back and reprod bosses I've probed and that's all that 916 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,800 season 4 was. I I hated I this. 917 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,880 I had a visceral hatred for season 4. 918 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:34,720 I would rather a 10 month final season where they put this 919 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:38,600 content in to give people time to breathe than a season 4. 920 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,280 I cannot possibly say I want that. 921 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,080 I think that's actually more what I want. 922 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,120 I think I have no or limited interest in that being a true 923 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,600 new season with new like goals and stuff. 924 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,400 It really actually what I should say is not that I want a season 925 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,200 4, it's that I want a plunderstorm season. 926 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,680 Like like conceptually, right? Not plunderstorm exactly, but 927 00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,600 like so a. Season where rating and mythic 928 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,680 plus isn't updated but it's specifically like here is the 929 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,680 fun marquee content outside of instance content. 930 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,080 Exactly, yes. Yeah, I'm OK with that. 931 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,520 I just, I am all about the anything that's not mythic plus 932 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,880 or rating, it's, it's always going to be a, both the reward 933 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,800 for me and once I have attained the reward, I, I don't know how 934 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,000 Plunderstorm I think is the closest I will have gotten to 935 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:32,880 doing something out of pure fun. But even Plunderstorm, once I 936 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,960 got to the end of the reward track, it was like 6 more 937 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,640 matches and then I, I never touched it again. 938 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,840 I am, I am 100% a carrot. Like it's the reward needs. 939 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,320 And decor duels is the same thing. 940 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,960 I didn't dislike decor duels. It was kind of fun. 941 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,160 I found myself laughing and enjoying myself in the 8 hours 942 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,640 of playtime that I had with it that it took me to farm enough 943 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,560 currency to buy the stuff. But once I had bought the stuff, 944 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:03,040 there was no I, I need a reason to do it. 945 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,440 I need a reason to want to do. I don't, I'm not going to just 946 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,960 do it for fun. If I want to do something that's 947 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,920 just for fun, I got to be honest, I'm playing a different 948 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,640 game. Yeah, and I mean like World of 949 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,960 Warcraft does have a little I, I, I, I don't know how like 950 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,400 World of Warcraft does have a little bit of a given kids 951 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,760 stickers for coloring problem where I also feel like I can 952 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,560 really, really enjoy content within the 2nd that I see that 953 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,840 there's no, there's nothing attached to it that I'm 954 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,360 interested in. I just sort of lose interest. 955 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,560 I'm like, Oh well then I guess it's not worth it If I I'm not 956 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,040 getting if I'm not getting my sticker for coloring, why would 957 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,480 I color? Yeah, but under that same token, 958 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,800 I don't, sorry, I just want to finish this under that same 959 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,000 token, I don't do like I never got into the platinum trophy 960 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,240 chasing or the achievement chasing on Xbox or PS345. 961 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:57,840 Like I, if you, and it's like there's, there's exactly 1 game 962 00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:03,000 where I did ever do the extra stuff because the game was that 963 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,920 much fun in this breath of the wild and the 999 Clorox seeds, 964 00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:09,760 which you at the end, you get a golden poop. 965 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,240 That's what you get a little golden poop for getting them. 966 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,400 I that's the only game I've ever done the extra. 967 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,840 Like if you're, if you're needing to inject achievements 968 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:25,400 and trophies to make your game, to have longevity in your game 969 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,200 and replayability. I don't, I that's not for me. 970 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,480 I have no interest in any of that. 971 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,520 So maybe it's just the way that I'm wired and that's why like 972 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,440 the, the filler stuff doesn't hook me. 973 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,600 You know, I, I don't know what they would have to do for it to, 974 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,280 to, to actually become something I do regularly for fun alongside 975 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,240 because I'm not doing mythic plus for rewards either. 976 00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:47,080 I'm doing that because I like doing mythic plus. 977 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,320 You know they don't give you a reward for having done 700 plus 978 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,080 twelves. Though I think that like the 979 00:54:54,080 --> 00:55:01,360 problem with Wow is that the mastery is if there is something 980 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,960 that's the mastery, it's infinitely scaling. 981 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,160 And I now I need like the only way I can show mastery is if I'm 982 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:13,520 in that top 1% right or .01% to get the glad or whatever it is. 983 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,720 I think that I really enjoyed mage tower. 984 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,880 I know people said, oh, it was easy when it got like super 985 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,600 nerfed and and so forth or like that sort of thing. 986 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,720 But like I'd love to do in challenge modes like challenge 987 00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:29,680 mode. Do it beyond the. 988 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,280 Rewards. Sorry. 989 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,240 Did you do it beyond the reward once you beat mage tower on 990 00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:37,280 elemental shaman? Did you keep doing it or did you 991 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,840 stop? I did it on enhancement because 992 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:47,480 I was playing enhancement and I did that in the same tier that 993 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,400 it was released. I then was like, this is really 994 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,040 cool. OK, I'm going to try and push 995 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,720 and do elemental right and on the same character. 996 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,440 Don't know. I had to go farm out all of the 997 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,880 like the stuff stuff for it, but I was also like, you know, 998 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,200 because you had to get all the points to put in and all of 999 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,200 that. But I had the knowledge and 1000 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,600 stuff. So it wasn't that bad, but I 1001 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,200 wasn't really touching elemental before that. 1002 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,680 So I actually was like, OK, you know what, I really do want to 1003 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,120 get show this mastery sort of thing. 1004 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,680 And so I did that. I and I did those two and then 1005 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,440 every sorry, I did resto, but I did that when like things were 1006 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:31,440 like crazy, like I did it. I tried to do resto in the tier 1007 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:36,400 afterwards and then I wasn't able to do it until not when 1008 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,440 everything was maxed out when the weapons start were 1009 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,440 completely overcharged, But when they were starting to get like 1010 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,640 more powerful, I did it within that progress and I was like, 1011 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,200 OK, fine. I I I didn't get to do that in 1012 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,280 time, but at least I got the cool little flashy, flashy thing 1013 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,000 right. But you, didn't you? 1014 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,640 Stopped as soon as you got the reward. 1015 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,400 You didn't keep doing it. You didn't go back in and do 1016 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,640 anything for no for for no reason. 1017 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,680 No, because I moved on to the next challenge to see if I could 1018 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,040 do it in that way. If I did, I do challenge mode 1019 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:09,160 after I gotten a goal and and therefore done it. 1020 00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,720 Yes, I did do that with other people. 1021 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:13,280 I was a healer and it was like, oh, we need a healer. 1022 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,800 I'm like, OK, I've done this before, let's do this again. 1023 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,560 Right. And TN like was like taught like 1024 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,760 it was two other people, the tank and myself and one DPS were 1025 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,680 from the group that had done it. And we took two other people 1026 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,440 that wanted to do it and got through and we got the challenge 1027 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,760 modes for that One was like, miss a Pandaria warlords. 1028 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,360 I only did it the one time because we got it done and we're 1029 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,120 like, oh, wow, OK, we did it, man. 1030 00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,000 There's there's no content in this in this game. 1031 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,720 Plus like Gildrom and all that sort of stuff. 1032 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:50,120 ANYWAYS, So like that's I do think that like getting the 1033 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:55,480 achievement and getting it done is something that Warcraft can 1034 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,360 do where you like push for stuff. 1035 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,440 And I've I have said I think on this show, I think that 1036 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,240 challenge mode should come back that there should be like a your 1037 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,200 gear is locked to this. It's not going to get any 1038 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,440 harder, but you are going to have to fight with like this 1039 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:15,440 gear level to push through this thing and I think that the game 1040 00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:20,960 would allow that pretty well. But like I also think that they 1041 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,120 just are really addicted to this. 1042 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,880 Like let's keep extending this tail. 1043 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,600 Let's make this the the long thing that you have to like keep 1044 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,080 on top to to actually succeed in. 1045 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:38,520 And so like that eats up the all the air in the room, which means 1046 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,320 that you don't have time for other things. 1047 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:47,320 If rating is going to be done on week, whatever, what you need to 1048 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,120 keep coming back to get all this year so that you can be ready 1049 00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,760 for next season, which is coming on in in eight weeks. 1050 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,760 Why do you have time to like smell the roses, right? 1051 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,160 Let completely divorce yourself from that. 1052 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,520 And for people who are looking at that, we had that 1053 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,680 conversation with Josh where she's like, wow, like, I can 1054 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,120 actually enjoy this and these side stories and stuff. 1055 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:15,320 Sean, you loved the War Within side stories and early access is 1056 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,800 always it is something twice in a row now that you've said has 1057 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,240 been a joy because you get to enjoy things that I don't think 1058 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,120 you'd have time for otherwise. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't. 1059 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,840 I would throw on wrested XP or Zygor's and blast through and 1060 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:29,640 that would be it. I would. 1061 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,160 I wouldn't read a single quest if we did. 1062 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,280 Never really access. Please keep giving us early 1063 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,880 access, Blizzard. I'll pay so much more than 1064 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:41,080 you're asking me to pay now. Sorry, I guess I'm going to 1065 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,120 leave that in. I just feel like feel bad 1066 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:47,160 putting that out in the world. On the same note, note, do you 1067 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:52,520 do the local stories in the successive patches? 1068 00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:57,480 So like, OK, so there are things that like even though they're 1069 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,920 obviously not giving you like great rewards, there are things 1070 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,400 that you do before the enjoyment of it that is. 1071 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,360 Yeah, I mean myth. I do mythic plus for nothing. 1072 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,120 Like I legitimately will do 700 plus twelves this season 1073 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,120 probably. And like, I don't like to get 1074 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,080 like I feel my fault at 8 a week. 1075 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,280 You know, I don't have to keep doing them. 1076 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,280 I do them because they're I do mythic plus because I enjoy it. 1077 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,280 I, I legitimately I don't like pushing. 1078 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,960 I don't, I'm never going to get point on percent. 1079 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,680 So I don't see the value. I like, I just like running 1080 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,880 dungeons and seeing how fast we can go. 1081 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,480 That's it. I, I that's why the current 1082 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,000 format of the MDI is my favorite. 1083 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,920 I would much rather see if I can do a + 12 and 8 minutes and then 1084 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,920 see if I can do a + 23 because spoiler alert I can't do one of 1085 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,200 those but I might be able to do the other. 1086 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,760 And I do the raid. I keep running the raid on 1087 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,680 heroic even though there's nothing I need from it. 1088 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:54,120 I pulled mythic Chimeris 2 weeks now. 1089 01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,880 I've pulled mythic Chimeris and there's not a single piece of 1090 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,200 Lupin. And then it's not like I'm doing 1091 01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,640 in Guild groups. I'm, I'm literally pugging a 1092 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,920 raid boss. I'm pugging it so it's not even 1093 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,920 Guild clears. I'm pugging a raid boss with 1094 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,280 strangers that doesn't have any loot that I need just because I 1095 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,840 like raiding, just because I like that boss. 1096 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:21,120 It's crazy. Yeah, so I there is lots of 1097 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,920 stuff I do stuff I do for fun all the time. 1098 01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,680 I would love challenge modes. The way you described the 1099 01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,480 challenge modes sound great. I I missed them. 1100 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,840 Unfortunately it was during my break. 1101 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,520 I'm not going to say unfortunately, I enjoyed my 10 1102 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,480 year break. It was definitely healthy for me 1103 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,200 and it has given me the freedom to know that I can walk away at 1104 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,720 any time. But yeah, challenge was I think 1105 01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,800 would be great. I don't know that the mage Tower 1106 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,080 is, I think the mage tower is just another carrot. 1107 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:48,440 I think it's nobody's doing. You show me if you are somebody 1108 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,480 out there, I'm certain somebody will say that it's them. 1109 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,000 I I won't believe you, but I don't believe anybody is like 1110 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,680 once they've unlocked, once they've beaten the mage tower on 1111 01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,040 a spec, I don't think anybody's going back to do it again 1112 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,320 because it was so much fun. I don't think anybody's doing 1113 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,120 that. They're doing it to get they're 1114 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:06,480 doing it. They've said that they've maybe 1115 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,120 they've had fun frogging it, but once they've gotten the reward, 1116 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,120 that's it. It's it is reward based content. 1117 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,800 Nobody is. Please let me know. 1118 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,840 Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am 1119 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:23,120 the enhancement. 1 was so random that yeah, just like I, I feel 1120 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,560 like I got the, why would you write the layout? 1121 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,120 And I was like, perfect, I got it. 1122 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:27,880 I'm done. I'm out. 1123 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,080 Yeah, nobody's going back there. And man, I really enjoyed that, 1124 01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:32,360 Maestro. I'm going to do this again for 1125 01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,360 fun, for nothing. Nobody's doing that. 1126 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,000 Maybe a content creator recording a video? 1127 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,760 Do you guys enjoy story elements of Warcraft? 1128 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:49,000 Like if they were more like if there were more quests that came 1129 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:54,320 out, there were like putting the story story forward that were a 1130 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,960 little bit more voice acted that were more similar to the 1131 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,400 levelling campaign. Would you like that to show up 1132 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,720 in like .5 and .7 patches? Would that be something that 1133 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,880 you'd be like, great, here's a little bit of content that I can 1134 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,960 get to. Yeah, big yes for me, Yeah, Even 1135 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,760 if it was just a new local story popped up. 1136 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:14,720 Give me a breadcrumb that sends me. 1137 01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:19,320 You know, we have finished .7 comes out, we've stopped 1138 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,000 Xalatas, we've renewed the sun. Well, we turned it into the 1139 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,280 rainbow. Well, whatever it's called now, 1140 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,080 the dawn, well, the dawn, well, sorry, it's the dawn. 1141 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,400 Well now. And we get a pop up that says, 1142 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,920 hey, something's going on in in forest Rider village. 1143 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,760 We go down there and it's the aftermath. 1144 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,640 A new local story popped up for what has changed and just how 1145 01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,080 it's affected the people. I would love that. 1146 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,200 I that's fun, but it's not repeatable content and it's 1147 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,920 something I'm going to do once, but I would take that for sure. 1148 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,720 And I'm certain the Lord, well, actually, I don't know what the 1149 01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,840 Lord will want. They're the they're anyway. 1150 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,600 I'm not going to, I'm not going to say anything incendiary Will 1151 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,080 Delore people and how awful they've been. 1152 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,640 We're going to move on to Lex. Lex, would you, What about you? 1153 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:03,160 What condo would you like? So I'm admittedly less of a 1154 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,200 story girl. I think I'm realizing I like the 1155 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,000 novels, but the like the way that the World of war like in 1156 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,400 game story is fed to me is actually really hard for me to 1157 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,960 internalize. Like I, I, I get so into like a 1158 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,120 clicking mode that I don't even realize that I would read 1159 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:19,640 something until I'm like, wait, why am I doing this? 1160 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:26,440 I really like I World of Warcraft for me is for the 1161 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,200 people. Like I don't even think of the 1162 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,600 rewards that come with rating. Like I when I'm logging in 1163 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,200 people like, oh, who needs a trinket on the spas? 1164 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,640 I'm like, oh, I forgot spas. Like that's cool. 1165 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:43,760 I do delves for that. So I always like content that is 1166 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,520 fun for the sake of fun and specifically that I can get my 1167 01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,600 guilt to do with me. That's the big one for me. 1168 01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,840 And I think that's one reason why Decor Duels was really fun 1169 01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,400 for me for a day. And I'm not anytime after that 1170 01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,120 because it's kind of like I you can't queue with people I would 1171 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,120 like. And I think that's also honestly 1172 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,440 why. Definitely 100% can queue with 1173 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,760 people. You can queue with up to seven. 1174 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,320 You can queue with up to seven people. 1175 01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:09,840 Oh did they change that? I used to. 1176 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,480 You couldn't queue at all. You have to, it's always, you 1177 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,800 have to go to the person. You can't. 1178 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:19,640 Queue from the menu in a group. You have to go to the person so 1179 01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,320 that she sees that you're actually friends. 1180 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:22,800 Gosh. Oh, wait, fair enough. 1181 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,760 In that case, I guess we can all bully my raid chewing decor tool 1182 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,880 with me. Yeah, I I and I think that's 1183 01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,240 actually one reason why I say things like I'd like a season 4 1184 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,160 because I would love a time. I, I, I love the periods of time 1185 01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,680 when my raid team was like, well, I mean, it's long enough 1186 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,080 that we don't want to just take a break. 1187 01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,040 So I guess we'll go do something silly together, right? 1188 01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,720 Like we'll just, everyone, we're going to do a random draw for 1189 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,840 different roles and just, you know, see what happens. 1190 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,880 It's going to be a crappy tea or whatever, who cares? 1191 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:54,280 We'll have fun. And so I that that is the the 1192 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,960 type of like additional content that I would like is the type of 1193 01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,480 thing that I can coerce my friends into being goofy little 1194 01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,440 idiots with me about. OK. 1195 01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:06,840 What about you, Manny? What do you want to see? 1196 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,280 I think I was leading with that story. 1197 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,840 I would love additional stories. I really love Sean's suggestion 1198 01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,000 of additional local stories. Yeah, OK. 1199 01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,800 You don't want to push the main story forward, but like being 1200 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,400 able to like get more stuff on the Harnar because they feel 1201 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,720 very empty. I'd love to see to get more 1202 01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:30,160 stuff with that. It's the reason that I do the 1203 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,840 artifact thing that you do for them is like, OK, maybe this 1204 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,360 will tell me more about it and it like it does give you more of 1205 01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,680 that story and I'm happy for that. 1206 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:45,720 But like now that we're like a little bit further along, maybe 1207 01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:50,000 that's there. I would love if when you do a 1208 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:58,480 endeavour in housing that they go back to that zone and there's 1209 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,760 new local stories there. That's a great way of like 1210 01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,680 giving an update to the to the world. 1211 01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,600 Make it a living world. OK, we went, now we're back in 1212 01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:11,440 Mechagon. It's years after King Mechagon's 1213 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,080 being dead. And so the resistance is doing 1214 01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,280 stuff. Maybe that maybe that's too much 1215 01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:22,240 work for them. But like if it wasn't a matter 1216 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,760 of work, would I love that content? 1217 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,800 Yes. I would love to see the world 1218 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,760 moved forward in that, in that way that doesn't have to be some 1219 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,240 like life threatening thing to show that the world isn't all 1220 01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,440 about like the next big bad. It's a cool thing. 1221 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:42,360 Like we go to, there's one part where you're doing these stories 1222 01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:47,360 in the Tavern, the Argentina, and you're going to all these 1223 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,160 different things. You go to Gilnaeus and it's 1224 01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,960 like, Oh yeah, like I'm I'm taking over here. 1225 01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,120 Well, tell me more. How are things going in Gnaeus? 1226 01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,920 Like have you have you torn down the wall? 1227 01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,520 Have you rebuilt the wall? That like what's going on? 1228 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,880 Like I would love to explore more of that. 1229 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,040 So all of that story sounds great, especially when Sean 1230 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:11,400 mentioned like local stories and I think it ties in a lot with 1231 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,200 stuff because like you want a reason for them to have the 1232 01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,080 decor. Sure, right. 1233 01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:21,200 But like it, I think that rewards aren't necessarily like 1234 01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:25,080 some shiny thing that I put up in that I like I wear or I have 1235 01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,279 a title or stuff. It can just be like the 1236 01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:30,520 adventure. So if they make the adventure 1237 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,479 worth it, I love playing my warlock. 1238 01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:37,680 I I would play my play my warlock if I had the time to 1239 01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,359 like maintain it. But like maintaining it as a 1240 01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:43,800 raid character is a lot more effort than maintaining it as 1241 01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,160 something that can do these these sort of stories and this 1242 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:51,439 sort of content. I don't know, give me fun and I 1243 01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,319 will engage with that. Leave me busy work and I will 1244 01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:59,600 find a way to circumvent that by doing trap cheese or like only 1245 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,200 going as far as the highest reward and then checking out. 1246 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:11,080 Yeah. Anyways, that was a bit of a 1247 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,439 conversation. Any last thoughts just before we 1248 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,240 wrap it up? I'll give you a chance, Sean. 1249 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,479 No, I'm feeling better this week than I was last week. 1250 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,399 I think being surrounded by so many people at LFG who were just 1251 01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:31,960 like passionate and love the game helped contribute to that. 1252 01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,359 And today I went into Speaking of things, you know, doing 1253 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:37,840 things for fun. I went to her and a zone that I 1254 01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:42,359 still cannot stand. Music is lovely though, and did 1255 01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:46,760 all of the treasures and good. Found all those stupid moths and 1256 01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,720 did you know that in French there is no word for moth that 1257 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:56,480 instead they call them Papillon de Nuy, which is butterfly of 1258 01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:59,560 the night. And that's my, that's my closing 1259 01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,160 thought. Yeah, in French they also make 1260 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,720 you do math when they're just trying to like, say, the number 1261 01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,680 80. Yeah, that's right. 1262 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,320 What could they be? A lot more like America, where 1263 01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,120 nobody does math? Yeah. 1264 01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,520 Well, that's our quota for political takes today, so until 1265 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,520 next time, may all your hits be grits.