1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,760 Hello and welcome to a special bonus episode of Four Azeroth. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,200 I'm Sean, and today I'm sitting here with a man who I forgot to 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,800 ask if I should call him by his name or by this ridiculous 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,360 handle he has chosen for himself online. 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,440 What I call you I. Call you case. 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,760 OK, OK, what is big old bucket of water? 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,760 So it's like a really niche reference to the TV show 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,040 players. I don't know if you've seen it. 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,440 It's a League of Legends. Like I think mockumentary is the 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,840 term. Like they cover a fake E sports 11 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,360 team and a big old bucket of water happens to be the top 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,880 laner. His name in that game, he's not 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,280 even a main character. He just has a really is a 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,800 ridiculous name. And I saw it and I was like, I'm 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,320 a steal that I didn't even spell it right. 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,200 But my old name used to be the King live. 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,680 And that was when I streamed a lot and I don't really stream a 18 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,560 lot anymore, so I wasn't even alive. 19 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,560 So I was like, well, what do I just want to be the king? 20 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:55,720 And I was like, that sounds cringe. 21 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,360 So I just changed it to something silly. 22 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,840 And I was like, yeah, whatever. But, you know, it made me laugh. 23 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,440 Yeah. So that's that's what we went 24 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:03,760 with. And I started creating content 25 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,200 again and people were like, I can't find what's this guy's 26 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,680 channel name again? And I'm like, it's not great, 27 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,880 but I might stick with it just because like I think it's 28 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,640 memorable. Like you see the that 29 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,120 combination of number or letters and you're like, yeah, that was 30 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,280 a guy that I watched, you know, so I don't know, maybe. 31 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,760 Yeah, it is. And it's sort of fitting because 32 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,080 you play mage in Warcraft. Yeah, that was that was actually 33 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,360 just the the season thing. I'm more of an elemental shaman, 34 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,200 but like they also use water, so, you know, like it works out. 35 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,000 Yeah. Yeah, I like it. 36 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,160 Big, big water guy. Hey, we're water fans here. 37 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,960 It's like nature's soda pop. So the more water we get, the 38 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:40,880 better. Casey, let's start off. 39 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,920 Why don't you tell our listeners who you are and why you're here 40 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,520 today? Yeah, so I, I think the best way 41 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,080 to say is I'm just a raid leader for a late see Wow Guild. 42 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,040 I've been making like YouTube content kind of documenting our 43 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,800 process progress throughout this year. 44 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:57,960 We've been playing for around 3 tiers. 45 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,440 So I went back, I, I found some numbers just to like give you 46 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,720 guys perspective. So we started in Cataclysm 47 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,920 actually for like a classic reading and we did tier 11. 48 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,600 This is my first tier raid leading for them. 49 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,360 And we are US. We are world 662 under mine. 50 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:17,240 We are 2262, Manafort, we are 1846 and then midnight right now 51 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,160 we're around 1000. But that might change because 52 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,880 Alura is really hard. So we'll see. 53 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:23,040 We'll see how that ends up going. 54 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,560 But yeah, we were basically the last week of the tier finishing 55 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,240 and I started just talking about our progress of the tier and 56 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,920 being like, hey, like this is a perspective that I don't hear a 57 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:35,720 lot in the in the scene because I think that everyone's playing 58 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,040 at a higher level. They're playing Hall of Fame or 59 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,920 raced all first and stuff. And you don't really hear about 60 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:42,480 the guys below that who are like, hey, hey, we're still 61 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,640 here. So I thought about kind of 62 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:45,800 giving that perspective a little bit. 63 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,760 I like that. What What is the biggest 64 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,200 difference between because some of our listeners don't rate at 65 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,600 all, we have we have across the board spectrum of of listeners. 66 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,040 What is the biggest difference between those ones who are 67 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,160 rating in that Hall of Fame range and your team? 68 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,560 To your level. So there's a lot of differences. 69 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,840 I think one of them is the, the people who are rating Hall of 70 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,560 Fame. They definitely, they start to 71 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,280 prioritize performance a lot more than like social. 72 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,600 So a lot of the people at our level, they are, they're just 73 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,680 getting into mythic rating mostly because they enjoy the 74 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:17,840 game. They're having a lot of fun 75 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,200 playing and they're like, hey, I, I'd like to dip my toe into 76 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,120 this. And they're having fun playing 77 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,720 with their friends. Whereas like at a Hall of Fame 78 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,880 level, you have to make sacrifices because it's like, 79 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,920 like you can't always have your best friend in the raid because 80 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:30,760 your best friend kind of sucks sometimes. 81 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,560 You know, it's just like something that you deal with in 82 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,040 the game. And it's like having to make 83 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,000 those sacrifices is very difficult. 84 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,560 So at our level, it's like, OK, do we want to make this decision 85 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,000 for fun or do we want to make this decision to get better? 86 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,480 And often times it, that's like a difficult call because like 87 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,720 you have all these connections to people and stuff and it is 88 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,880 really it's, it's very difficult to balance those two things at 89 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,600 this level. Yeah, that that is a huge 90 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,640 challenge. How do you when you're 91 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,480 recruiting? So I imagine at that, having to 92 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,080 have those discussions, do you see a lot of turnover at your 93 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,040 level to people that are leaving for higher product guilds or 94 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,640 people who are frustrated that you know you're not moving in a 95 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,160 certain direction or not moving fast enough? 96 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:12,920 So we've only been rating 3 tiers. 97 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,480 So I think it's really hard to say. 98 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,200 We've experienced a lot of growing pain specifically this 99 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,399 year that I can talk about later. 100 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,160 But for the most part we don't have too much turnover because 101 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,840 because everyone is such close friends that it's like like 102 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:27,840 imagining rating somewhere else kind of sucks. 103 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:32,000 We we had a guy leave last year who is really cool and he wanted 104 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,000 to pursue a Guild that rated three days a week and we only 105 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,720 rated two days a week. So I totally understand that, 106 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,640 especially because like, I mean, I'm the one running the gold and 107 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,320 part of my motivation is that like I want to play at a higher 108 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,480 level because that's why I pushed us to get better. 109 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,520 So it's like I, I get it. You know, if somebody says I 110 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,800 want to leave, I think a lot of people, especially at our level, 111 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,600 are kind of like spiteful where it's like you're I'm, I want to 112 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:53,920 leave. I want to find like something 113 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,000 that pushes a little higher and they'll be like, well, if you 114 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,680 leave, you're never coming back. It's like I, I told the guy, I'm 115 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,640 like, hey, if you want to go try that, go try that. 116 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,520 If you don't like it, you can come back to shoot me a message 117 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,840 and like, it'll be cool. I can't guarantee he's going to 118 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,280 have a roster spot immediately, but it's like, there's no hard 119 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:10,560 feelings. I get it, you know, So like 120 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,280 there's a little bit of turnover, but I don't think it's 121 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:13,560 crazy. No, it's not too bad. 122 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,920 Like that, that's, that's, that's really impressive because 123 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,880 I, I hear almost all of the time that the roster boss is, is the 124 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,240 hardest boss. So if you're keeping your 125 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,560 turnover minimal, I think that speaks to the culture you've 126 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,120 built. And we're going to get into that 127 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,360 a bit later. I want to talk about you 128 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,360 specifically, Boo. You're the GM, you're the raid 129 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,160 lead. Do you have any leadership 130 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,280 experience in like an outside job or in in other other video 131 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:39,000 games? I actually, I do have a little 132 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,520 bit of leadership experience. Just wanted to clear. 133 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,200 I actually not the GM. So I'm, I'm the raid lead. 134 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,960 I, I run the Guild with another friend of mine, Phil. 135 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,800 He is incredible. I do I could not do this without 136 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,080 him, but so for the leadership experience, I also like I, I 137 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,160 manage another YouTube channel for, for professional work. 138 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,320 And with that, I have to like work with editors and stuff like 139 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,320 that. And then beyond that as well. 140 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,080 I used to play a lot of Valerie. I'm in a Valor and that's kind 141 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,440 of where I practice like IG Elling, they call it there and 142 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,320 like that. That kind of helped a little 143 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,560 bit. So when I came over to Wow, it 144 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,880 was nice that I got to start in Cataclysm, which had ten man 145 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,320 rating and like leading in a 10 man is a lot easier than leading 146 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,560 in a 20 man. And in a 10 man it was a lot 147 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,800 more comfortable too, because it's like these guys are all my 148 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,440 closest friends and the 20 man. I'm not going to say that we're 149 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,960 not like all friends, but it's like they get a lot more people. 150 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,480 I'm not as close with everybody as I was in that 10 man. 151 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,840 So it like, yeah, I think starting small and like kind of 152 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:38,800 growing with it. I it helped me learn a lot 153 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,720 beyond that. I mean, I used to work in a like 154 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,080 a restaurant and stuff and I was kind of like, felt like a like a 155 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,600 leader. I wasn't a manager, but like, 156 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,640 you know, you have like the, the people on the shifts who are 157 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,440 like, you need something like ask me, I could help you out, 158 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:51,920 you know, sort of thing. So yeah. 159 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,600 You're the go to guy. Yeah. 160 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:56,240 So while I was like, I'm not like I'm not like working on 161 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,240 Amazon or something like I, I have a little bit of leadership 162 00:06:59,240 --> 00:06:59,920 experience. Yeah. 163 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,960 All right, if the bartender needs a big little bucket of 164 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,560 water, for example, you're the person. 165 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,560 I'll go grab that bucket of water or a bucket of ice, you 166 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,000 know, I, I, I'm there for you, you know? 167 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,760 I love don't ever change it. It's the best. 168 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,680 It's the best handle ever. Please don't ever change it. 169 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,280 That's good to hear. Yeah, it's good stuff. 170 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,240 OK, so you're right. Then where where do you go for 171 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,040 you to improve? So you're going to coach your 172 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,680 team and stuff to get them up, but where do you go for you to 173 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,440 get better? What resources do you use? 174 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,200 So I mean, there's a lot of avenues you can get better, like 175 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,560 you can focus on personal performance, which I think it's 176 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,640 kind of like a, like, I, I think it's a, it's a bad idea. 177 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,200 You go down the rabbit hole and it's like, if you're always 178 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,760 focusing on yourself, then like you're like, you're not helping 179 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:45,920 the group as much as you could be. 180 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,440 So you have to kind of take care of yourself though too. 181 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,920 Because I do feel like there's a balance where, especially when 182 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,240 you're starting out, when you're recruiting people, you have to 183 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,920 be I, I at least perceive that you have to be respected as a 184 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,160 player. I think that if you bring people 185 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,560 in and you like people probably played that group where it's 186 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,640 like, are you like join a pug and like the raid leader is 187 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,840 telling everyone to do things, but he himself sucks. 188 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,720 It's like, you know, like he, he has to, he has to take care of 189 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,400 it. So I mean, like I to fulfill 190 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,840 that. I play the game a lot. 191 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,600 I, I watch all this like high end content. 192 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,560 I try to learn the best of the for my class and I try to make 193 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,000 sure that I'm playing well. As far as raid leading stuff, 194 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,880 there's not a lot available. The you have the raid leader 195 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,880 exchange pretty good discord, although I'm kind of afraid to 196 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,880 ask questions in there because they have I have seen them be 197 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,160 kind of mean to people sometimes. 198 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,800 So it's like a little scary and then like. 199 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,480 Shout out to Draco. It's a good community, like 200 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,960 genuinely, I think the, the reason that they're me in there 201 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,960 is because they expect you to do your own research. 202 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,799 They they don't expect you to just come in there and ask you 203 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,640 them to do everything for you. So sometimes people ask 204 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,120 questions and it's like, I think like you don't get to see like 205 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,080 the prep that that person's done. 206 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,120 Maybe that person feels like they've done a lot of prep, but 207 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,240 yeah, like you, you should be practised in like figuring 208 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,400 things out for yourself. And I understand it, but like, 209 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:56,720 yeah, it is it is kind of scary, you know. 210 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,280 And then the other thing too is like YouTube, you can go to 211 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,680 YouTube, but like on YouTube, the only thing available is like 212 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,080 Max has like a raid leading series from like a while ago and 213 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,400 it's like that's not perfectly applicable all the time. 214 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,000 It's good advice, you know, but like I'm not like he's leading 215 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,400 every stroll first Guild and I'm not. 216 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,960 So it's like some of the things like don't always apply. 217 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,160 So aside with that, that's kind of like it. 218 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,880 There's like some smaller creators who are doing, you 219 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,080 know, like similar things, but it's like sometimes I feel like 220 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,200 you watch it is like, I don't fully agree with the advice, but 221 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,200 like you can take bits and pieces and that's kind of the 222 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,720 idea is like somebody's going to say something might not be 100% 223 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,600 right, but it's like, Oh yeah, that's a good idea. 224 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,880 You know, you can kind of go with that. 225 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,320 So other than that, I mean, like, I'm basically like Guild 226 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:37,680 lean is basically running like a business. 227 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,880 So you can kind of like look around and like you can listen 228 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,840 to like different business people talk about things and 229 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,280 like working with like employees and stuff like that. 230 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:45,920 Not quite the same thing, but like this. 231 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,440 There's some transfer, you know, So yeah, there's a lot of 232 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,040 information everywhere if you know where to look. 233 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,440 But like, I don't think it's perfect. 234 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:53,720 I don't think I'm doing everything correctly. 235 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,880 You know, I'm like I'm, I'm just figuring things out as I go and 236 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,680 that's all you can do, so. Like that, Yeah, you're 237 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:01,200 progging. You're progging with the team as 238 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,720 a whole. It's we're going to get there. 239 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,040 We're going to, we're going to figure it out. 240 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,160 Yeah, making a lot of wrong decisions along the way, too. 241 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:09,680 You figure it out, you figure it out. 242 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,360 It's. I somebody told me once that a 243 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,040 wrong decision is better than no decision. 244 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,440 So yeah, at least you're doing that. 245 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,040 Have you considered 21st manning? 246 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,240 Have you, Because obviously huge advantage in that you have you 247 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,000 see Max scribe all the top guilds doing it is have you have 248 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,040 you considered that as opposed to being in playing or are you 249 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,200 like I want to be in this fight? So right now I'm at the point 250 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,160 where I just want the best for the Guild. 251 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,240 So on Laura, I was considering 21st Manning, but I think one of 252 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,400 the bigger issues with 21st Manning at our level is the 253 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,240 roster boss. I I I like not not not to strike 254 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,080 my ego. I play pretty well in game. 255 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,560 I'm not I'm not not the best player. 256 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,240 I'm not the worst player. So like putting me in unless 257 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,680 there's somebody who is better than me, it doesn't really make 258 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:57,720 a ton of sense for the raid. And then beyond that, also like, 259 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,960 yeah, people just call out and stuff and it's like, well, who's 260 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:01,120 going to jump in and play for them? 261 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,000 So I was kind of debating 21st Manning because I was like, 262 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,840 well, if somebody does call out on this boss, I can hop in. 263 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,920 I know I'm going to play well and that'll work. 264 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,720 But yeah, like it just instantly first week on Laura, it's like 265 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,800 we like call outs. I'm just like, well, I'm just 266 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,600 doing anyway. And then after I played like 2-3 267 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,720 nights, it's like, OK, does it make more sense for me to sit 268 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,560 and bring someone else in or just make more sense for me to 269 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:21,400 play? So that's kind of like the thing 270 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,080 that we running into and Laura, I have done it for other bosses 271 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,640 on like re clear just so other people can play and I think that 272 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,320 it's fun. I do think it's a trap, though. 273 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,280 I think like there's a lot of things you see these top guilds 274 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,760 do that I see a lot of people try to replicate at our level. 275 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,320 And it's just like I kind of just like feel like why? 276 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,280 You know, like there's the 21st man. 277 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,200 I don't think it's as necessary for us. 278 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,400 If I did 21st man, would we get the enough like value out of it 279 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,840 to like warrant doing it in the first place? 280 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,560 Or would it just be like worse Also then I have to like have 281 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:51,960 people customize their UI for me and like that sounds kind of 282 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,440 annoying as well. And then like also like things 283 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,160 like splits. You see, like these top guilds 284 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,400 do splits and it's like, should we do splits? 285 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,320 It's like the answer's no, we should not. 286 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,720 Like there's a bunch of other things that you just like to see 287 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,720 these guilds doing. It's like, no, should we level 288 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:09,920 10 characters? No, we shouldn't. 289 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,920 That's that's a bad idea. That's it. 290 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,800 Couldn't. That's the most true statement I 291 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,160 think anybody's ever made. Like, should we do splits? 292 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,200 No, I got to be honest, I don't. I'm not even sure the Top Gear 293 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,600 should be doing splits. Well, it like, it feels like the 294 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,680 answer for like how to improve is is glamorous, you know, like, 295 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,840 yeah, we should do all these 15 different things that like the 296 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,960 race is doing or whatever. I don't even know what they are, 297 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,120 but I'm sure that you could come up with a number of things 298 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,680 that's like, oh, this was really cool. 299 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:37,720 The race does this, should we do this? 300 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:38,880 And the answer is no, you shouldn't. 301 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,080 You should to get better at rating, you should read more. 302 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:45,000 That's kind of the answer. You should read more, do a 303 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,280 little bit of prep, watch some guides, you know, maybe playing 304 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,800 your cooldown, stuff like that. Practice your rotation on a 305 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,280 target dummy. It's not, it's not glamorous, 306 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,360 but that's the answer. That's how you get better at the 307 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,600 game as you play the game more. So yeah, that's kind of my take. 308 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:00,760 Yeah, no, it's good take. It's good take. 309 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,560 Let's talk about the guilt specifically. 310 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:04,600 So I'm going to use the term race to world last Guild, but I 311 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,120 don't think I think we've seen these three tiers. 312 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,720 You're trending away from race to world last. 313 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,240 Maybe this tier you get a month off more fingers crossed 314 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,160 somewhere in that range. But what are some of the 315 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,360 challenges of leading a Guild at your at your level? 316 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,200 I mean, like, where do you start? 317 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,360 You know? So right now I, I'm going to go 318 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,360 for the more unique things because it's like I feel like 319 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,040 there's, there's a lot of challenges you could probably 320 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,600 guess, but right now it's actually interest where, where I 321 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,880 don't know how many weeks in the day, like 2-2 ish months, a 322 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,520 little bit over maybe. And people just people just 323 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,440 start to lose interest. You know, right now we finished 324 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,560 raid and what do we do? We log on to Abraham mayhem. 325 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:44,040 We play some mark Raiders, we play some path of exile or 326 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,920 something. It's like when you're a race to 327 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,280 Alaska, you, you never stop raiding. 328 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,160 This is something that we mentioned briefly before the 329 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,040 show is that like you see all these Hall of Fame players like 330 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,760 sitting around and they're like, there's nothing to do. 331 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,080 And it's like, well, I still feel like I have six weeks of 332 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,000 Lura Prague left, you know, like I'm like, I, I have so much left 333 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,120 to do that it's like there's no end insight. 334 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,880 And I think that that's one of the biggest challenges is that 335 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,120 like, as you get later in the season, when you lose interest, 336 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,200 not only do you lose interest, but you play worse. 337 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,560 You know, it's like we're, we're on the hardest boss that we've 338 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:17,360 ever fought and everyone needs to be locked in 100% of the 339 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,640 time. And like that's that's really 340 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,640 tough to do when it's like people are kind of like, well, 341 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,600 you know, it's the summer, kind of kind of want to go outside. 342 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,600 I'm feeling it too. I'm not going to not even going 343 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,680 to lie. It's like I was doing raid the 344 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,360 other day. We're wiping in phase one as 345 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,760 which is the lyric experience. And I'm just like, I kind of 346 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,400 want to play Path of exile. I'm not going to lie, guys, I 347 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,240 kind of would rather be doing anything else right now. 348 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,560 But no, I mean, like we'll get through it and like we'll kind 349 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,720 of truck through. But yeah, it's it interest is 350 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,840 really difficult. I don't know if you you 351 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,000 experience the same thing ever, but. 352 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,560 Yeah, I, I definitely, there are definitely times when it's like, 353 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,760 OK, the interest is waning and just like I just don't feel like 354 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,800 logging in and you sort of shift into that raid log mentality. 355 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,400 What are some of the things that you do to to keep the team 356 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,080 focused and and dialed in when you when you could tell that 357 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,240 they're thinking about playing Poe instead of of the game? 358 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,880 Well, I was talking to one of our other officers about this 359 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,600 last night and they kind of they're, they're always like the 360 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,160 one that like reels me back in because like I'm, I'm sometimes 361 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,320 I'm a doomer, I'm not going to lie. 362 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,320 But like, I was talking to them and they're saying, well, like, 363 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,680 yeah, I could see why this might seem like people are not 364 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,760 interested, but I think it's a good sign that everyone is 365 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,560 playing together. You know, when, when we log out 366 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,600 of raid, we don't all go our separate ways. 367 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,720 It's like some of us go play arc Raiders together. 368 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,280 Some of us that were playing Path of Exile or whatever, and 369 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,360 then some of us are playing ARM, ahem, immediately. 370 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,280 And it's a great time. Everyone's having fun. 371 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,000 So it's like, Oh yeah, maybe, maybe it's not terrible that 372 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,840 we're doing other things as long as we're doing things together, 373 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:39,880 you know, I think that that's good. 374 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,200 Like everyone enjoys playing, hanging out with each other. 375 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,320 And then like also like in Raid two, my interest is is wavering 376 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,400 a little bit, but like also, I mean, we're fourth night on 377 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,600 Laura 160 poles deep and we're still having fun. 378 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,280 We're joking around like the rain nights aren't miserable. 379 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,560 I would rather be a little further than we are. 380 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,600 But it's like as long as we're not like yelling at each other 381 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,400 and raid like it's a good time, you know, like we're not. 382 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,040 If we're if it was a very bad vibes, then I think that would 383 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,880 be way worse because that's when people quit, you know, they're 384 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,160 like, well, why am I here? I don't want to be here. 385 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,480 This isn't fun, you know, So at least at least it's fun, you 386 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,200 know, so we have a good time like that. 387 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,480 Like that, that's you're that other officers. 388 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,120 That's very astute. Like, yes, we're not playing 389 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,400 well, but we're still together. You're still building that 390 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,080 camaraderie. You're still like, the team is 391 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,560 together. You're not at each other's 392 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:30,720 stroke. You're not logging up, going. 393 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,600 Oh, man, I hate Casey. Why does he get hit by a Glade 394 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,520 every time? Yeah. 395 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,200 Why did we make him a seed carrier? 396 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,560 This was the worst decision ever. 397 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,160 Yeah, it definitely, it could be really rough. 398 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,840 But no, they're they're very intelligent. 399 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,080 And it's like, like I said, with the Guild leader too, it's like 400 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,200 I couldn't I couldn't do it without these people because 401 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,320 it's just it is a lot of work to handle alone. 402 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,560 And that that was actually the next difficulty that I had for 403 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,680 Race to World last build that listed here is that when you 404 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,400 start out, you're kind of going at it alone a lot of the times, 405 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,560 at least in my experience. Maybe if you did you start your 406 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,440 Guild from the ground up or did you like did you join into it 407 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,720 or? No, I just so the Guild that I'm 408 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,000 in now, I joined and they had been around for 13 years when I 409 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,599 joined them, but that the Guild and actually Guild prior to that 410 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:16,520 was I've been together for two years. 411 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,800 I don't think I've started a Guild since Burning Crusade. 412 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,960 Well, I mean, like, and that's that's an interesting thing too, 413 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,200 is that like guilds don't just like spawn a lot of the times, 414 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,720 but it's like our Guild was a classic Guild. 415 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,760 So it had been around prior to me joining. 416 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,000 And then when I joined it, eventually I pivoted us to 417 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,640 retail. And I was kind of like the 418 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,600 driving factor in doing that, which also meant that a lot of 419 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,680 the responsibility fell on me. I was really leading Cata. 420 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,840 There's ten of us that like the people were kind of losing 421 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,320 interest again. And I was like, well, the only 422 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,520 way to keep the Guild alive is we we do content that's new and 423 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,080 the only new content is in retail. 424 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,920 So we should go retail. That's what we play already. 425 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,200 We did Mythic plus. And I love the drive to go to 426 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,800 retail. And then doing that, I had to do 427 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,280 all the recruiting. I had to do all the boss 428 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:59,960 strategy. I had to like figure out like, 429 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:03,120 how do we even get into Mythic, you know, and I'm doing like all 430 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:04,600 this like prep to get us into it. 431 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,960 And then like once we got into undermine, it's like I had to do 432 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,400 all the weak auras at the time. That was huge thing. 433 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,080 OK, we have to kill sticks, bunk drunker. 434 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,120 How are we going to do that? You know, So like I had to do 435 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:17,200 all this prep and at the time, like I was kind of doing it 436 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,720 alone. I had the Guild leader still, he 437 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,640 was around. But it's like when I'm the one 438 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,640 leading the charge, I don't think he knew exactly how to 439 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,120 help me. You know, It's like I'm, I'm 440 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:27,240 kind of handling everything. But I would say that like the 441 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,560 biggest thing at our level is that you need a friend. 442 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,080 Like if you, if you're going at it alone, there's no way you're 443 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,680 going to survive. I think that like sometimes you 444 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,160 get into things with friends where it's like, Oh yeah, we're 445 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,280 going to do this cool thing together. 446 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,760 And then you find out one friend's doing all the work and 447 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,440 there's like the other friends are like, Oh yeah, we're doing 448 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,560 this cool thing together. You know, that doesn't work. 449 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:50,080 Like you need to delegate, you need, you need help and yeah, 450 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,120 you're just going to lose your mind. 451 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:53,200 I think that like, at first I feel like I did a lot of heavy 452 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,080 lifting, but like, I mean, this tier, we wouldn't be rating if 453 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,520 we weren't for the ALEA. There's just no way. 454 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,440 I've told him multiple times they're like, hey, I don't have 455 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:01,680 an enemy to do anything right now. 456 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,440 And he would kind of pick up and he would hit up with that a lot 457 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,360 with that. So no, yeah, you need, you need 458 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,160 people on your side. There's no way you can do this 459 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,760 alone. I like that. 460 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,360 How did you recruit people into helping you with that stuff? 461 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,840 That's tough actually, because nobody wants to do it. 462 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,520 That's like the right? Thing nobody wants. 463 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,400 Nobody wants, you know, extra work for nobody. 464 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,240 Well, yeah. And like, everyone loves to 465 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,960 complain about things, but nobody's going to be like, the 466 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,600 one to step up. So, I mean, when there's a 467 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,800 problem, we kind of just like, we have a few people on the 468 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,240 court. Like I said, the guild's been 469 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,760 around a while and we've had a lot of people who, like, have 470 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,160 been officers who are still around. 471 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,520 You know, we ask them for help sometimes and like, they help 472 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,240 out. And like we have, we have 473 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,160 recruited officers from within and like it, it is kind of a 474 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,000 test cuz it's like, I think that the problem is too, like we're 475 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,440 asking for help, but we always don't know what help we need. 476 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,880 We just know that we need it. You know, it's like, so like 477 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,280 we're like, hey, come in, like help us out. 478 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,960 And then the person comes in, it's like, well, we don't really 479 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,600 give them anything to do. And then they're thinking the 480 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,560 same thing, which is like, I don't know how to help right 481 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:02,800 now. It's like, if you don't tell the 482 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,280 person what to do, they're not going to know what to do. 483 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,720 So also like, I think I'm prior bosses, like when the bosses are 484 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,120 easier, there's not as much like everything's kind of going fine. 485 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:12,360 You want to smooth sailing, you know. 486 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,200 I think that it's like it's hard to tell what work there is to be 487 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,600 done, but it's like when you really hit that wall when you're 488 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,480 on dementias for 500 poles, when you're on Laura, that's when 489 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,720 it's like, oh man, there's, there's stuff that can be done 490 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:24,920 and people who can help with things. 491 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,400 And I think that's where people kind of step up. 492 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,160 So yeah, when it, when it's really hard, that's where you're 493 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,600 going to feel who steps up and who doesn't. 494 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,760 And you kind of just got to, you got to find the people who do 495 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,840 and you got to hold on to them because I think that that's, 496 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,440 that's, that's where, that's where they shine, you know? 497 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,240 I like that. I like that going it alone. 498 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,120 That's I think, I think a lot of raid leaders will be able to to 499 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:50,880 hear that and instantly, instantly, like I can't really 500 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,600 think of the word right now, but when they it makes sense, I feel 501 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,080 like I'm having a stroke. There's a word when you hear a 502 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,320 thing and it makes sense to you because you experience it. 503 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,680 I don't know what the word is right now. 504 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,560 I don't know, relatable. Yeah, really. 505 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,240 There we go. That's what we're going to go 506 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,960 with. I think you're looking for a 507 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,880 little more difficult word, but that's. 508 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,440 Yeah, the oysters are going to let me know afterwards in the 509 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,120 discord. They're going to come tell me 510 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,840 what word, what word I forgot. But what else? 511 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,320 Is there anything else big, anything that we wouldn't expect 512 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,840 that you have? I mean, I wrote down like 513 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,720 there's like roster and bench management. 514 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,080 I think that you would probably expect this to be worse for us. 515 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,560 I'm, I'm assuming for for a lot of guilds at our level, this is 516 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,200 pretty bad. I would say for us, it's 517 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,400 actually not that bad. And I can maybe provide like an 518 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,920 anecdote for that to help people. 519 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,800 Is this is not like, I think when you have a lot of 520 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,480 confidence in what you've created, Umm, I think it helps 521 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,560 when people join us and they raid with us. 522 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,360 I, I'm very confident that like this is the place you want to 523 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:53,760 be, you know, like we're not elite, but it's like the people 524 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,320 that we're bringing in. I, I, I see like the level of 525 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,560 player that they are a lot of the times and it's like they're 526 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,360 not like, I don't mean that in like a demeaning way. 527 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:02,880 They're they're good players, but it's like a lot of people I 528 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,080 understand, haven't they? They don't raid at a Hall of 529 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,960 Fame level. Most of the groups they play 530 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,440 with are bad. And when you recognize that when 531 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,360 people come in and they see, hey, these guys are having fun, 532 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,920 they're pretty good at the game. And it seems like they kind of 533 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,600 kind of like they, they know what they're doing like a little 534 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,720 bit. I think it's like, I, I'm pretty 535 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,880 confident when people play with us and like they want to keep 536 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,040 playing with us, you know, like this is a place people want to 537 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,400 be. And I think that when you have 538 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,720 that sort of mentality and like you create that culture. 539 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,880 Yeah. Like when people join us, 540 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,040 there's, there's not a lot of turnover, like I said. 541 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,240 And like the people that do turnover, it's, it's never like 542 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,840 in a bad way. I don't think people are like 543 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,240 rage leaving our Guild or anything. 544 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,400 So yeah, like if you yeah, to avoid turnover for us, it's kind 545 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,880 of just like, yeah, just just have fun, you know, have a have 546 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,080 a good community and like kind of building that a lot. 547 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,440 And then for like the bench management, I think that that's 548 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,480 probably the most stressful thing is like when we have a lot 549 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,760 of people that we want to play with, it's like, OK, you can 550 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,320 only have 20 in raid and it's like managing that. 551 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,440 That is probably the hardest part of leading the Guild to be 552 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,880 entirely honest, because it's like, like I said earlier, you 553 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,960 have to make that balance where it's like, OK, we need to pick 554 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,280 the best person for this roster and the best players are not 555 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,840 always the best fit. Where it's like, okay, this guy 556 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,160 maybe doesn't fit in as well. And it's like or this like this 557 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,360 person is an important part for like the Guild culture. 558 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,200 And it's like that's something we want to maintain. 559 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,600 And it's like you're comparing the players and I would say that 560 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,000 our our skill discrepancy, but within the Guild, it's like it's 561 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,280 not too bad. Like most of our players are 562 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,440 around the same skill level. So like sometimes we're making 563 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,360 decisions where it's like, OK, this guy might be a slightly 564 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:30,200 better player, but like this guy is going to be a lot more fun to 565 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,880 be around. You know, it's like, I don't 566 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,680 really know. So it's like, it's hard to say, 567 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,560 but yeah. Those vibes matter. 568 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,440 We, we have a cat in our Guild that I think unanimously across 569 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,200 the board, everybody in the Guild agrees that he has the 570 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,680 greatest talent for breaking tension and keeping things light 571 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,880 out of anybody. And whenever he's in like it'll 572 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,320 be whatever point of the night. Everybody has these moments in 573 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,000 the night where it's like a really bad wipe just happened or 574 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,600 you feel like you've hit a wall in progress and everybody's So 575 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,440 you can sort of feel the, the frayed, frayed nerves happening. 576 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,000 And in that moment, he'll be like our our raid leader, our 577 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,880 raid that his name is Cindy and he calls her Sydney, but he'll 578 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,440 he'll say Sydney and then he'll ask like the most obvious 579 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,360 question from the prep that we've done, you know, am I 580 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,160 supposed to push this extra action button? 581 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,000 Well, you know, it's just like, and he obviously knows the 582 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,680 answer, but it just the way he asks it, he actually sort of 583 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,280 sounds like a cat even is just just it breaks attention and 584 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,080 that that doesn't matter. Having that end does matter. 585 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,680 Yeah, like that's what you can't because you can't manufacture 586 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,400 that stuff. But it's like, what? 587 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,280 I'm talking the whole night. I'm going to sound upset. 588 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,520 I can't hide it, you know, like somebody, somebody dies. 589 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,920 Also, as a raid leader, too, you see everything, you know, you're 590 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,920 like, watching this guy. You're like, what is he doing? 591 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,120 Like, yeah. And like, yeah, when you see 592 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,000 that, it's hard for me to stay motivated because I'm like, 593 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,280 guys, guys, come on. And yeah, having those people 594 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,760 that are, like, going to joke around. 595 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,600 And that's something I've tried to get a lot better at, too. 596 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,520 Is it like when you're frustrated and people are like 597 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,280 joking around and stuff, it's easy to get more frustrated 598 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,880 around. Like why, why are, why are you 599 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,680 guys goofing off? Like we're playing terrible? 600 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,520 And it's like, that's something that I've gotten a lot better. 601 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,400 It's being like, like you can't, you cannot kill that. 602 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,960 You know, if they, if they're having fun, let them have fun. 603 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,800 You try to go through it. It's like, hey, guys, we're 604 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,600 pulling, you know, but like, I'm not, I'm not going to crash out 605 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,280 or anything. But it's like, yeah, when the, 606 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,240 when the vibes are good, you want to keep the vibes good. 607 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,200 And it's like, if we're joking around but we're playing bad, 608 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,440 that's fine because I like, we can just dial back in, you know? 609 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,720 But like, yeah, once you kill the vibes, it is so hard to 610 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,520 bring it back. So having those people that like 611 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,320 are going to keep it up, you know, it's, it's important. 612 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,320 Yeah, Do you get that disappointed dad sound? 613 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,160 I sometimes I'll be like, OK, one of these two arrows has to 614 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,200 hit Demi arrow. You both missed. 615 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,480 Yeah, I, I've sighed a few times and I try not to. 616 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,920 My brother gave me a quote that I, I, this sticks with me a lot, 617 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,720 he says. Like when people audibly sigh, 618 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,240 like you hear it, it feels like they are releasing their 619 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,600 negative energy and they're giving it straight to you. 620 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,560 Like, so yeah, I try to, I try to avoid stuff like that because 621 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,240 like, I don't like, I don't want to be mean. 622 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,240 I don't think I'm the type of guy to be mean. 623 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,120 I think I, I think I have been mean. 624 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,880 But like, I don't, I don't like that, you know, like I don't, I 625 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,800 don't like feeling mean or like feeling like I'm bringing people 626 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,520 down. So I try to be the person I want 627 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,600 to be. But yeah, it's at this point a 628 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,640 dad does kick in sometimes. I think it happens for everyone. 629 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,280 I. Like that. 630 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,240 That's a great quote. I'm going to, I'm stealing that. 631 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,360 I hope that's OK. I am. 632 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,240 Yeah, I mean, I took it from my brother. 633 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,440 He you could take it from me. I have another good quote here 634 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,760 from one of our Raiders too, regarding bench management that 635 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,440 I think has been helpful for me this tier, which is if you ever 636 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,320 like wondering about like who to bench and stuff, you're making 637 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,760 the right decisions. Like I said, you have to make 638 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,320 the right decision that you feel like for the Guild. 639 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,120 But somebody told me this tier, you don't bench players, they 640 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,280 bench themselves. And that's something that I, I 641 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,040 kind of agree with too, where it's like, yeah, you're looking 642 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,840 for people to like play and like people who don't play. 643 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,480 And it's like, OK, well, this guy, guy didn't fill his vault 644 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,120 this week. And he also is not fully 645 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:53,960 upgraded yet. He doesn't have sockets or 646 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,440 something. This is an extreme example. 647 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,400 Nobody in our rates like this. But like, yeah, like if they're 648 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,600 not putting in as much effort as somebody else, it's like, yeah, 649 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,400 you got to take the guy who's putting in more effort because 650 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,800 you have to like, kind of you have to facilitate the culture. 651 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,920 It's like, what culture do we want to have in the Guild? 652 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,880 Do we want to have a culture of people who don't put in the 653 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,880 effort and don't keep up? Or do we want to be like, hey, 654 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,960 like doing these things is important to us, you know? 655 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,360 And it's like, you don't necessarily. 656 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:19,480 I don't think you need to draw a hard line, but like the people 657 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,960 that you recruit and the culture that you keep is like that's the 658 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,560 community that you create. So yeah, I think that's kind of 659 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,720 a good way to look at it. Let's talk with it. 660 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,600 We keep mentioning culture. We keep bringing it up. 661 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,920 How do you do that? How do you build this culture of 662 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,360 success? Is there anything you actively 663 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,760 do to make sure that your culture stays safe? 664 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,080 So just to preface this, I don't feel like I'm particularly good 665 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,880 at this, by the way. Like I think I'm, I think I'm 666 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,960 doing it and I think I'm figuring it out as I go. 667 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,120 But like, I don't think I'm, I'm like a guru or anything, which 668 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,960 is why a lot of the times, like in my videos when I talk about 669 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,840 it, it's like, hey guys, like this is how I feel. 670 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,000 But like I'm this is not a guide, you know, like I said, 671 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,480 take, take bits and pieces, you know, But yeah, it depends on 672 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,400 who you ask in the guilt. Maybe, maybe some people say I 673 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,720 do a pretty good job. Maybe some people say they're 674 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,480 upset. I don't know. 675 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,520 But I think you want to have fun, but you want to get better. 676 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,320 That's my take, and I think both are very important at our level 677 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,440 anyway. But being bad isn't fun. 678 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,160 So if you're bad, you're not having a very good time. 679 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,520 Being bad is relative, by the way. 680 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,880 So for us at this point in time, we're progging Laura and we're 681 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,600 dying to glaze and stuff. That feels bad to me right now. 682 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,000 But like also like feeling bad for somebody might be like, oh, 683 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,120 we're on Paladins and we're dying to Shields or something. 684 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:34,520 You know, it's like that like that. 685 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,120 That's different levels. You know, if that's the hardest 686 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:37,880 boss that you thought that's the hardest boss, you thought you're 687 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,040 there, you know, so being bad is relative. 688 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,200 But if you're probably in the tier for like 20-3 weeks 689 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,720 straight for me and you're wiping to the like the same 690 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,840 mistakes and stuff, especially if they feel really silly, 691 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,680 there's just so much pressure to like meet your goals that it's 692 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,800 like, you know, I feel like once you get that late in the tier, 693 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,520 I'm like, I'm not having fun anymore. 694 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,120 Also, it becomes harder to recruit later in the tier 695 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,800 because it's like everyone's kind of like burnt out. 696 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,040 They're like, I kind of want to quit the game. 697 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,000 There are some people who are like late in the tier, like I 698 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,280 want to kill Laura still. But like it just things become 699 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,680 more difficult as time goes on. People lose interest, like I 700 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,840 said, And then people start pointing fingers when they're 701 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,560 frustrated. So it's like you end up in this 702 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,320 situation where it's like, OK, we want to have fun, but we're 703 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,280 really bad. And now people are angry and 704 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,760 it's like, OK, you have to at some point prioritize being good 705 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,680 at our level anywhere. That's that's what we're 706 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,960 feeling. But also getting better isn't 707 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,840 always fun, where it's like, OK, and we have to hold people 708 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,320 accountable. And I think that's really 709 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,200 difficult to do when you're like, friends with everybody, 710 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,640 especially if, like, people are kind of like, grandfathered in. 711 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,560 If you have like older members in the Guild where it's like, 712 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,320 well, you've never called anybody out before and now you 713 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,960 start doing it, it's like, well, OK, hold on, Buster. 714 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,720 You know, you also have to like, you just have to make 715 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,360 sacrifices. You know, like we raid twice a 716 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,880 week and like, I don't know, there are things that I'd like 717 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,360 to do on Tuesday, Thursday sometimes that are not Wow. 718 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,920 And it's like, you got to do it. You know, that's I have to be 719 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,400 there every single raid. And you have to put in the work 720 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,040 outside a raid. You have to fill those vaults. 721 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,840 You have to gear your character right now, like start of the 722 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,240 season, especially like you have to run so much mythic plus just 723 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,720 to keep up and like get your character geared. 724 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,040 And we're a Tuesday, Thursday Guild, which means that on 725 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,920 Tuesday we're going in and we're not geared at all. 726 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,680 Like this first Tuesday was actually really rough. 727 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,080 It's, it's really disheartening. You go in on Tuesday and you 728 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,920 have fun on the raid. It's like we killed 2 heroic 729 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,520 bosses. And you like look at like a 730 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,440 Guild on Wednesday and it's like they go in five item level 731 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,680 higher than you and they kill like 4 heroic bosses like 732 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,960 easily. And I'm like, what? 733 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,160 Like you could do that. So, you know, I, yeah, I, I 734 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,160 think that like getting better isn't always fun, but also being 735 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,400 bad isn't funny either. So it's like you have to, you 736 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,720 have to find that balance in between. 737 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,160 I like that there is a huge difference. 738 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,360 I I used to be in a Tuesday raid Guild. 739 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,960 I don't think I'll ever go back to rating on Tuesday. 740 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,320 That's insanity. We get servers that are pushed 741 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,720 to come up. It's the worst. 742 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,160 Yeah, we do. We are Thursday, Sunday, right 743 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,400 now. The EU Guild that I, I'm in, I 744 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,640 don't raid with them, but I'm in, they raid Saturday, Sunday. 745 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,560 And it's just like, I don't know, having shifting off of 746 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,680 that Tuesday just feels so nice to give you that day to breathe 747 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,520 and just let let Blizzard figure out whatever potential bugs or 748 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,360 new features, unintended features we might get. 749 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,600 No, we, we've been talking about that this year a lot because 750 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,840 just like, yeah, there's so many issues with beyond the the first 751 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,320 day thing where you're like lower year level. 752 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,880 Now this happens every week by the way. 753 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,080 You feel it the most in the first week, but every week after 754 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,240 that we are always at a lower item level. 755 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,320 Then I go to the rates Sunday, Monday, just like flat out, you 756 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,600 know, people don't always have time to log in after work to go 757 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,080 get their upgrades or whatever. They have to go upgrade their 758 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,000 their things run 5 dungeons or whatever we did. 759 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,320 I did like 100 ritual sites that first day and I was like trying 760 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,280 to. Avoid course. 761 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,080 Yeah and just to like upgrade my weapon. 762 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,480 I didn't even get it I don't think. 763 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,760 Maybe I got 1 before raid but it is ridiculous. 764 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,200 Yeah, you. Love ritual sites, are they the 765 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,000 most fun content? You've ever done the best 766 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,800 content in the game, man. Yeah, the ritual sites there, 767 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,040 they're OK. Like, I don't know. 768 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,200 But we actually, we had a lot of fun with it actually, I'm not 769 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,240 going to lie. There's fun in everything. 770 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,360 By the way, if if you take one thing away from this, this talk 771 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,760 there is fun in absolutely everything. 772 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,760 If you find it, you have to have be with the right people. 773 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,920 But we did our ritual sites and the way that we did it is we had 774 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,360 we had four of us and we were speed running and we had two of 775 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,400 us go to the left and we had two of us go to the right. 776 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,520 And whoever killed the three guys first, we were like, we 777 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,520 were kind of like amped up on. I was like, yeah, we got it. 778 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,120 You know, it's we were having a really good time. 779 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,960 Yeah. And like, I don't know, we, we 780 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,240 killed 2 hours running ritual sites or something. 781 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,400 And like, it was a really good time. 782 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,360 I enjoyed it. And now if I, if I was doing 783 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,040 that every single day, I don't think I would enjoy it. 784 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,280 But like, you know, for like the time period, you know, you can, 785 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,440 you can make things fun. We, we did endeavours during the 786 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,760 pre patch. We were, we did so many 787 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,000 endeavours back when like they were like really difficult to 788 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,680 level up. You did not get a lot of XP for 789 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,560 those things. I think that we were flying 790 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,880 around like one of the Dragonflight zones. 791 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,080 I, I forget like the underground area, but like we were just like 792 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,560 collecting herbs and stuff to get like 10 points at a time and 793 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,080 like we were having a good time doing that, you know? 794 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,400 So yeah, there's fun everywhere. You just have to find it. 795 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,840 But yeah, I forgot what I was talking about before that. 796 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,720 But you know, I got, I got a little, little rant there. 797 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,400 It's fun. You're just talking with the 798 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,320 fun. It's snuck in there. 799 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,560 You haven't. You haven't mentioned your 800 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,360 guilds name yet. I don't know, maybe you don't 801 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,320 want to, but I'd love to know the Guild name so that we can 802 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,800 track your progress and cheer alongside you as it's happening. 803 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:36,000 So the Guild is Rad R capital R capital R space capital A space 804 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,080 capital D in classic, it was just rad RADI. 805 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,640 Don't know why we changed it. I think it's because on area 52, 806 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,080 I think rad was already taken. But yeah, no, I think I think 807 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,120 it's a fitting name for us. I I, I mean, it's the best goal 808 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,520 I've ever been in. So I don't really do it. 809 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,840 But if you guys are looking for us, you want to follow along. 810 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,400 I I do stream our Prague. I I will say that I mean like 811 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,600 it's from this talk to like I'm not always in a great mood. 812 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,520 I try to be in a good mood, but I was like, I don't know if I 813 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,360 sound disappointed like it just does. 814 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,560 This is the raid environment. I'm trying to, I'm trying to 815 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,639 keep it up. I don't think I'm mean. 816 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,840 But I also don't really reply to chat because I feel like, I feel 817 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,639 like I'm like focused on the raid, you know, if you're raid 818 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,520 leaders like talking to chat, it's like, what are we doing? 819 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,040 You know? So yeah, but. 820 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,920 I like that. Let's talk a little bit about 821 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,639 that before we wrap up your your journey. 822 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,159 So you decided to share this journey on YouTube to help. 823 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,520 But you know, like you said, give us a voice that we don't 824 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,840 really see a lot of. What's the end goal? 825 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,920 What happens as RAD keeps climbing in ranks? 826 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,159 Will we eventually be watching that? 827 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:38,320 The big old bucket of water Hall of Fame channel. 828 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,800 I think like, so we're so far away that are like talking about 829 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,440 Hall of Fame sounds like kind of ridiculous. 830 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,199 You know, our goal this tier was to get better. 831 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,280 And I think that like, we had a lot of difficulties with goal 832 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,480 alignment this last year and like figuring out what we want. 833 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,639 And like, I feel like this tier has kind of opened my eyes a 834 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,960 little bit more to like, oh, this year we wanted to get 835 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,600 better. And then what does that mean? 836 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,840 And like eventually we found out that means pushing world rank 837 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,600 like a little bit. So right now what I want to do 838 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,880 is I want to kill Laura hopefully in the next 3 or 4 839 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,520 weeks and then like be done with that. 840 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,160 I think Hall of Fame could be in the cards if we got like a 841 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,280 little bit better. You know, we're pretty far away, 842 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,200 but I think that would be cool. But for the most part, like with 843 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,440 the channel, I'm just trying to make cool videos and like talk 844 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,080 about interesting things, you know, and like if people can 845 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,560 follow along and they can like you can be helpful to people. 846 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,800 Part of the reason I created the channel is because like I said, 847 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,400 there's not a lot of resources available. 848 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,640 You have the raid leader exchange, you have some like one 849 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,320 off YouTube videos you can go find, but like there's nobody 850 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,400 like telling you how to do this. And that was kind of like a 851 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,440 frustrating thing for me where it's like I'm experiencing this 852 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,840 thing that radar IO is telling me 1000 other guilds are 853 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,160 experiencing and nobody's talking about it. 854 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,720 And I'm like, OK, well, maybe somebody should talk about it. 855 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:47,800 Somebody should open that discussion. 856 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,840 So I'm not the first person to talk about it on YouTube. 857 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,680 Like I said, there's there's there's other channels and stuff 858 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,800 that you can kind of tune into, But like for the most part, I 859 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,560 think there should be more people talking about these 860 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,720 things, maybe not in guide format, but like talk about what 861 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,600 you're experiencing, the things that you're going through, 862 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,040 because like it is relatable. A lot of people experience that. 863 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,000 A lot of people are playing the game and doing raid content. 864 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,120 And I think that like, yeah, I think mythic boss is the only 865 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,080 thing that's highlighted. And Wow, when it's like what I 866 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,960 love is reading. I, I love, I love reading. 867 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,520 I love running the Guild and playing together and progressing 868 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:19,760 these bosses. I find that the most 869 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,000 interesting. So I wanted to kind of make 870 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:21,640 more. I love that. 871 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,000 It's absolutely my favorite channel for this level of play. 872 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,280 Like it's 100% if you are listening to this and you're in 873 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,800 the same situation or you're used to be in that situation or 874 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,240 you aspire to be in that situation, I definitely 875 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,160 recommend following the channel, watching it. 876 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,200 We're gonna get to those plugs in a second because it is. 877 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,880 It's good to know it's good also for people that are a different 878 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,400 area, like having the perspective. 879 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,120 How are other people experiencing the game? 880 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,520 Like you said there's 1000 of the guilds experience but nobody 881 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,720 talks about. It's just like the biggest 882 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,000 gaslight ever. It's like you race the world 883 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,440 first, or your Hall of Fame or you just don't exist. 884 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,480 Yeah, well, it's crazy. Like the numbers on radar IO 885 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,360 too. Then I go there and I see that 886 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,840 it's like, yeah, there's 1000 guilds above me and I'm like, 887 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,680 where are they? Like, like it's, it's crazy to 888 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,040 think that they all exist and there's there's a thousand other 889 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,160 communities just like us who probably feel the same way where 890 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,240 it's like, dude, these are the this is the best like Guild I've 891 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,640 ever been a part of. It is like I've I just never you 892 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,760 never meet them. Like sometimes you join a pug 893 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,360 and that's something that actually I, I for for what 894 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,680 rating content is I really enjoyed watching like Max's like 895 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,360 undercover raid leader series. Because if you ever see those, 896 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,320 these videos, he hops in with these people and these other 897 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,920 guilds. He he goes undercover and he'll, 898 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,360 he'll just pug with like a Guild and he'll join Discord comes 899 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,080 with these guys and they are always the funniest people 900 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,400 you've ever seen in your life. And it's like, that's not 901 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,160 unique. That is every Guild I've ever 902 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,840 pugged with. You join in and they just say 903 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,880 the most ridiculous things. And it is, it is like it's 904 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,600 objectively hilarious. And it's like, I want more of 905 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,880 that, that that's what I want to see more of that because I think 906 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,040 that, yeah, you see these different communities and how 907 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,200 they function. It is funny. 908 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,000 It's a really good time. So I love that stuff. 909 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,960 Yeah, it's absolutely. Well, I was watching. 910 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,600 I don't catch a lot of his live streams. 911 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,840 What I do see is YouTube stuff. There was one of his last 912 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,480 YouTube videos that they do clips. 913 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,040 He was watching one of your videos on stream. 914 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,240 He he has reacted to it a little bit, which has been really cool 915 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:18,920 for us. We've definitely like some of 916 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,560 the members in our Guild have gotten the kick out of this. 917 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,240 I did write this down to be clear. 918 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,200 I think it's probably objectively a bad call for me to 919 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,320 maybe making YouTube videos about our Guild. 920 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,880 I I think that like I didn't start making videos like for the 921 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,440 Guild. It wasn't like, oh, I'm going to 922 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,280 put us on the map or anything. You know, it's, I think it adds 923 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,400 like a whole new layer to the Guild that people have to 924 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,680 navigate where it's like, oh, I hope I don't get like put in a 925 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,400 video or something, you know, But I think that some people 926 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,760 find it cool. Some people probably find it 927 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,720 obnoxious. It does have it's pros and cons. 928 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:49,520 So like, for example, a lot of people are like messaging us. 929 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,120 They're like, I want to join your Guild and I'm like, you 930 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,240 don't know anything about us, but like, thank you. 931 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,360 But yeah, lots of people have gotten kicked out of like 932 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,040 watching Max Reactor and stuff. I do think that like it has been 933 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,800 an interesting way to kind of communicate like goals and stuff 934 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,800 and where my head's at. So hopefully, if anything, maybe 935 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,160 that's a positive where it's like, I think that like, how do 936 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,720 you get somebody aligned under the same goals? 937 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:13,840 You know, it's like, you could, you could post a big Discord 938 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,120 message, you have a Guild meeting. 939 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,320 There's a couple of ways that you can do it. 940 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,080 Weirdly enough, me talking about my thoughts, maybe it helps 941 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,960 people just be like, Oh yeah, that's how he feels. 942 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,360 And maybe maybe it helps motivate some people, might help 943 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,920 demotivate some people where they're like, Oh yeah, he's kind 944 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,720 of disappointed right now, you know, like, but like, yeah, for 945 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:32,120 the most part, I, I hope it's net neutral. 946 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,400 You know, this guy is kind of the thing. 947 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,600 But no, I, I have fun making the videos and it was a good way for 948 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,120 me to kind of like express myself is kind of what was a 949 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:39,680 nice thing. So. 950 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,280 Yeah, it's, it's good transparency, right. 951 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,840 So like it, I could see it being helpful in, in, in either of 952 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,720 those situations, whether somebody sees it and they think, 953 00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,080 oh, that those are his goals. I agree with that. 954 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,640 I'm going to double down and, you know, push and align myself 955 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,520 with that. Or if somebody watches a video 956 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,560 and thinks this is not what I want, yeah, at all, then they 957 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,200 they can leave, they can move on, they can step down for the 958 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,000 right team, you know what I mean? 959 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,920 If they realize. Where you're headed and and the 960 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,320 goals you have aligned aren't for that. 961 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,000 I think that's healthy in both regards. 962 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,880 I think having everybody aligned on the same target is is very 963 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,400 important. Well, I I said too, like if 964 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,080 people don't like, yeah, if, if people don't want what I want, 965 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,640 if that's like the majority consensus and the Guild that's 966 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,080 like, I am comfortable just like taking a step back because I do, 967 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,120 I do way too much work right now for like to be like making 968 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,400 people do things they don't want to do. 969 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,280 So I'm like, OK, yeah, if we don't want to do this, like I'll 970 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,480 just, I'll just rate, I'll just show up. 971 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,760 And like, I, I love the community. 972 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,280 Like I'll stick around. But it's like, yeah, if somebody 973 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,440 else wants to do it, like they can do it, you know? 974 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,360 But if we're doing what I want to do, this is what I want to 975 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,320 do, you know, so that that's the sort of thing. 976 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,360 But yeah. And I think I, I do think you 977 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,640 provide it's because, you know, like you mentioned, you know, 978 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,520 you're a little bit nervous asking questions in the radiator 979 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,360 exchange. You're, you're not alone in 980 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,120 that, right? That's that's the thing. 981 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,840 I think a lot of people, a lot of us walk around all day 982 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,560 thinking like, I'm the only person experiencing this and 983 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,440 nobody else understands. But you're, you're going on 984 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,520 YouTube and you're like expressing these feelings and 985 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,600 expressing these thoughts and, and explaining what it's like to 986 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,320 be in your situation. And I, I mean, I, you could 987 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,280 probably throw a dart and a board and, and, and not miss, 988 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,080 you know, every other raid lead in that thousand Guild range has 989 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,920 felt that way or feels that way now. 990 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,320 Yeah. And seeing somebody else say, it 991 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,000 could be like, oh, I'm not, I'm not the only one who feels this. 992 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,320 Way well, and that's part of what I wanted to do with the 993 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,880 videos too, where it's like I, I, I want to be a little bit 994 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,920 more raw with it where it's like I like I'm feeling real emotions 995 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,720 and like they're not always good. 996 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,160 You know, sometimes you, you have a really bad raid night and 997 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,840 it gets me down and I'm like, and I gonna go on a video and 998 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,720 I'm like, I'm not gonna put people on blast, but I'll be 999 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,120 like, hey, like we had a rough night, you know, and like, I'm 1000 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,000 kind of disappointed, but I'm trying to look at the positives. 1001 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,240 Like, like we did this thing while I learned this thing, you 1002 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,000 know, and like, I don't know, I, I, there's definitely like, I 1003 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,440 think there's people that maybe watch the videos and they, they 1004 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,200 don't like them. But like, for the most part, I'm 1005 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,200 just trying to like, I'm trying to be a real person. 1006 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,840 You know, I'm a real guy who runs the Guild. 1007 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,720 I, I'm experiencing real things that a lot of other people are 1008 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:06,840 going through. And it's like, I just want 1009 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,200 people to have somebody to connect to. 1010 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,680 And if some people don't relate to that, that's fine. 1011 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,600 But for the people that do, hopefully it's, it's, it's 1012 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,440 beneficial for them to know that like, hey, you're not alone. 1013 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:16,600 Like there's, there's a lot of people going through this. 1014 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,200 I like that. I'm a real guy. 1015 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,480 I'm a real guy. Yeah. 1016 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,440 That's what isn't what Anakin says when she says you're a 1017 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,680 slave and he says no, I'm a person. 1018 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:28,520 That's it. I'm a person. 1019 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,680 No, I'm a person. Man, I'm gonna really disappoint 1020 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,400 you. But I I'm, I'm not a huge Star 1021 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,760 Wars guy. I haven't seen too much of it. 1022 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,800 That's OK. That's that's for me. 1023 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,960 That's that's for me. You're not missing anything. 1024 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,960 It's if you weren't born in the early 1980's, the best is behind 1025 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,280 you. Is the new mandalorian out? 1026 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,200 Is a Mandalorian something movie? 1027 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,520 Yeah, Mandalorian and Grogu is out. 1028 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,600 I haven't seen. I'm I'm not a huge fan of most 1029 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,080 of the the television shows. Oh, OK, it is out and it's 1030 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,960 currently getting dummied in the box office by Obsession and the 1031 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,320 backgrounds. Yeah, good. 1032 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,320 Obsession is if you haven't seen, this has nothing to do 1033 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,800 with the show. I saw your we're gonna rap in a 1034 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,040 second. But if you haven't seen 1035 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,920 Obsession, it's so good. Oh definitely gonna see it. 1036 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,840 Yeah, it's amazing. We're we're going to wrap down 1037 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,000 want to be Congress in your time. 1038 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,160 Casey, I want to thank you so much for taking the time to talk 1039 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,000 to us today. And can you tell our listeners 1040 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,600 where they can find you? Yeah, I'm this is going to be 1041 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,080 tough. I'm big old bucket of water on 1042 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,400 YouTube. That's I'm not going to spell it 1043 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,600 out, but well, maybe I should. I, I don't know. 1044 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,760 It's a lot. The link The link will be in the 1045 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,280 description. But I'm also on Twitter, Yeah, 1046 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,680 some of that tweet things you can you guys can find me there X 1047 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,280 the everything app. But yeah, that's the yeah, I 1048 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,760 make YouTube videos. Sometimes I stream. 1049 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,160 The links are all there on the YouTube though. 1050 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,960 If you if you go there, I think that's the best place to be. 1051 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,520 You stream to Twitch as well or just to YouTube? 1052 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,200 I stream to twitch, YouTube, I just like I don't really know if 1053 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,080 it affects the channel or anything so I just I just do 1054 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,760 twitch but I probably should stream to YouTube. 1055 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,200 I agree when you stream. So here's a little inside 1056 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,480 baseball. When you stream to YouTube, it 1057 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,120 shows up in your subscribers feeds as a new video. 1058 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,720 But anybody who subscribed to you just for your videos will 1059 00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:10,400 see every time you go live and they'll go and click. 1060 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,120 Instead of being a a 1015 minute video, it's a four hour VOD and 1061 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,680 it's the most triggering thing. I have unsubscribed from 1062 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,760 channels because of it. I hate it. 1063 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,640 Yeah, I, it's funny because I I watch all of my streams on 1064 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,360 YouTube. I actually hate Twitch. 1065 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,680 It's just gotta drop that, right? 1066 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,760 Yeah, I hate Twitch, but like, yeah, I don't know if I, if I'm 1067 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,080 going to stream somewhere, I think the chat experience I 1068 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,160 think is better on Twitch. I don't know, It's it's kind of 1069 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,920 my logic, but no, yeah, catch me on YouTube. 1070 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,040 Definitely give Casey a follow. Go watch his videos, like, 1071 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,920 subscribe, comment for the algorithm and enjoy that 1072 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,320 content. Casey, thank you for being here 1073 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,520 listeners, thank you for being here and we'll see you next 1074 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,160 time. Until then, may all your hits be 1075 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:53,520 crits.