1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,680 I'm totally cool with this. I'm not going to go and cry 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,280 anyway. So we were just like saying give 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:08,720 me a second. I've got some in my eye for the 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,480 Karen tour. For Pandaria. 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:20,800 For calendar to the. Burning region for Gilneus or 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:26,160 has not done for the Lich King for the. 7 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:33,040 Cindori for the Alliance for. The Horn for Azeroth. 8 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,360 Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth. 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,200 I am one of your hosts, Manny, AKA the true villain Manny. 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:48,120 And returning triumphant from her travels abroad is Lex. 11 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,560 Lex, how are you and how has the woodwork? 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,440 I've been treating you for like half a month now. 13 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,240 I don't know that we could say I returned triumphant, since I 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,120 returned very well. Very I'm I'm a whiny little 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,160 baby. I returned mildly ill and I've 16 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,680 decided to milk the absolute life out of that. 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,280 So which also answers the how is the World of Warcraft treating 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,160 me? Not really at all. 19 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,120 I've done a couple. I think I did one mythic plus in 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,200 the last bald cycle, which is really sad because I love it and 21 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,040 I'm having a lot of fun and I want to tank and I'm finally 22 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,280 actually kind of getting tanked. Like kind of like Sean has seen 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,160 how many times I die as tank. But that's OK. 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,600 I'm getting there. I'm learning, I'm figuring it 25 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,040 out. I learned that demon spikes is 26 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,040 actually not optional, which I will just say I think it's not 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,880 optional to be listed on the core rotation instead of like 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,520 you have to Scroll down 5 pages and it's like, you should always 29 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,880 keep demon spikes up girl. Then why is it on the core 30 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,440 rotation? But that's OK, I'm not upset. 31 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,080 It's fine. We figured it out. 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,800 But it's pure cooldown. It doesn't actually use any of 33 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,080 your resources, right? It doesn't. 34 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,440 I don't, I don't know what I'm if I, if I'm learning that, but 35 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,200 then I, how am I supposed to know? 36 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,520 I get, I get OK, OK, here's the thing. 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,120 I get the logic. Now that I've found where demon 38 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,080 spikes is in the in the page, I understand why it was written 39 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,440 that way. It's very intelligent. 40 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:09,840 They simply expect me to have brain cells. 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,160 Here's the issue. I'm a vengeance tank already. 42 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,320 We've determined I don't have brain cells, only zoom. 43 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,880 So like I, I, I, I saying this is this is my fault, but it's 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,840 not my fault. You know, like objectively, this 45 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,680 is my problem. I was the issue here. 46 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,920 I'm the idiot. It did say very clearly, you 47 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:27,160 want to always keep demon spikes up. 48 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,880 Did she expect me to read like multiple words? 49 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,120 Like I look at, I look at the Pretty Little pictures and then 50 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,480 I'm like, oh, I think that's a rotation. 51 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:35,480 I don't know how. To do it, it is. 52 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,080 Really. I know I haven't been introduced 53 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,080 yet and that's what to talk. It is really far down here. 54 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,360 It's it's a. It's fairly down scrolling and. 55 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,600 I was like, surely it's right at the top, but it's like it's not 56 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,400 even listed in my. It's like advanced tips like 57 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:52,760 this is not an advanced, this is a. 58 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,360 Basic core, basic thing. Yeah, yeah, I think. 59 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,080 So militated in this Chili's today. 60 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,440 Honestly, like it's glad, I'm glad that you are taking the 61 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,680 time to learn the other spec for your class. 62 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:10,120 That gives you a lot more flexibility for like, let's say 63 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,440 one of your raid guys needs to take it take time off to go on 64 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:15,880 vacation. They want to go visit their 65 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,080 brother and and stuff. And then you like lose one of 66 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,520 your tanks or something. You being able to jump in means 67 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,440 that your 18 it gets to continue and it also just understanding 68 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,760 the different roles. That means that you've been 69 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,040 healing, you're now DPS ING and you're getting your feet into 70 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,440 into tanking. That means you're just going to 71 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:37,600 have a better understanding of the game. 72 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,280 So I I love it for you. Have you, having spent some time 73 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,760 at tank, have you learned to appreciate what the tank has to 74 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,560 handle better? Have you like learned to 75 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,240 appreciate what the DPS should do to help a tank in it through 76 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,760 those? Well, the first thing I'll say 77 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,800 is I think we might be reaching the point where maybe we have to 78 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,720 start saying that I'm a vengeance mane because the only 79 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,240 time I do havoc is in raid because we have 2 tanks and it's 80 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,560 you know like I'm, I'm not going to be taking either of those 81 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,520 spots and like I. I part of it is just because 82 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,760 it's so much easier to get in, but that's not even true. 83 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,440 I say like, oh, I just I tank mythic plus it's so much easier 84 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,959 to get into mythic plus pugs the tank. 85 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,399 I cannot remember the last time that I've done anything more 86 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:22,360 than like pug one DPS. I've only been playing with my 87 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,160 Guild and like occasionally I'll swap out for another tank, but 88 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,320 my God do I whine about it not really it's fine if you guys 89 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,040 also want to learn to tank in my rate team, that's OK. 90 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,040 I'll you I'll I'll DPS. It's not a big deal. 91 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,360 It's fine, whatever it's OK, but I whine about it. 92 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,800 I I do really enjoy tanking. I will say I don't know how I 93 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,200 would learn this without people teaching it to me. 94 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,320 The one that's really still breaking my brain. 95 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,080 I have so much trouble in city of threads. 96 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,000 I don't understand what I'm supposed to do in the 97 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,360 conglomeration. Like I literally I've done it so 98 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,600 many times and it really I just like I cry like I and then like 99 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,320 I think I'm supposed to be collecting balls. 100 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,080 But like if I do, then I drag the boss all over and and then 101 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,080 Sean's like, Oh, we should have everyone gather and get the but, 102 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:04,960 but nobody does. And then all my range is over 103 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,200 there and it's scary. And then I like, and then I get 104 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,280 overwhelmed and I like, I don't. And I've tried to look up guys 105 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,920 guides, but all the guides are like not telling, like 106 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,320 positioning is hard. Like I, I know that this is 107 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,520 going to sound like, I feel like everyone's like, oh, tanks are 108 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:18,560 so easy. All they do is positioning. 109 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,800 Yeah, that's difficult. Like there's a lot of things you 110 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,520 have to think about to position properly. 111 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,120 And then it's like, is this like, am I able to like bait 112 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,880 this cone or not? And like nobody's going to tell 113 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,080 you, you got to figure that one out on your own or have Sean and 114 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,200 you're telling you what to do. Yeah, it's it's. 115 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,400 It's tricky, but I'm having a lot of fun with it. 116 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,440 So like for those of you at home who don't have like your own 117 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,080 pocket, Sean and your team telling you how to deal with 118 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:48,200 this stuff, I would like to refer you to Radar iOS Mythic 119 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,720 plus guides. They do include very specific 120 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,320 enemies that you need to be worried about. 121 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,800 The affixes. We do reference them in the 122 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,960 show. That's a really good way of 123 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:02,520 learning that that sort of stuff. 124 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:10,000 I think that typically if you do YouTube guy, if you do YouTube 125 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,400 and it's like, oh, this is like the look at the at the dungeon. 126 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,640 You will find some people who do guides, guides on that, though 127 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,560 with the speed that like things are coming out, I think it's not 128 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,840 as frequent as it used to be, like when when seasons were 129 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:27,000 slower, but there are stuff out there. 130 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,360 I think anybody, any question that you could ask, there's an 131 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,760 entire musical about everything on the Internet, but any 132 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,680 question you could ask, other people are asking it too. 133 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,240 And so there's a demand for those answers. 134 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,480 And so they're out there. So I do, I do suggest that 135 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,120 again, I think Radar IO does a really good job of like their 136 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,720 roots. They'll do roots that are the 137 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,200 beginning of roots. They'll do play like the pros, 138 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,280 which is the higher ones. Somehow we managed to get 139 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:55,680 through to the guys at Radar IO and now they actually divide it 140 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,680 at 12. So you have like the stuff with 141 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,760 affixes and the stuff without affixes now, and that's really 142 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,800 great. So like that's what I would 143 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,560 suggest for the people at home. But of course you can jump into 144 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,600 the fast discord bit dot LY slash fast discord and ask 145 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,000 questions. We have had some people who've 146 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,160 just been like, hey, I've been like losing threat to like 147 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,520 enhancement shaman. What the hell is going on there? 148 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,400 And we managed to help them out. We've had some people come in 149 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,960 and ask like various questions and we're always wanting to help 150 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,840 because half the time we're asking those questions ourselves 151 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,600 or have asked those questions or you ask a question and we don't 152 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:31,960 even know. And it's like, huh, at least 153 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,960 somebody in the community knows. And then we find out how to 154 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,400 leave a five star review on Apple. 155 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,480 So. Add to that, yeah, be nice to 156 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,640 your pug tanks. We have such a like tank dirt 157 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,960 and like also healer issue. But it it does seem like it when 158 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,240 I was pugging, it seemed like it was pretty heavily a tank issue. 159 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,360 And so we need people learning tank and it's hard. 160 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,760 Like it is, it is. I mean, like, you know, 161 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,400 whatever, there's you, it's not the end of the world, but like 162 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,760 it is a lot that is on your plate and you can't really like 163 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,880 hand wave it away. So like if you're pugging with 164 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,200 somebody and they're obviously learning, talk to them because 165 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,000 they probably don't have a pocket Shawn or don't you know, 166 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,720 I'm not your mom. But that's my advice as somebody 167 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,000 who likes to pug a lot of mythic plus be nice, be nice to your 168 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,520 mythic plus pug tanks. They are probably learning and 169 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:20,760 they're probably doing their best. 170 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,360 For sure. So we have yet to introduce 171 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,800 Sean. Hello, Sean. 172 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,680 Manny, that was quite an intro. I'm going to. 173 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,679 I'm going to ask you to keep it short so we can get into the 174 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,120 episode itself. I'm sorry. 175 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,679 Yeah. But like, let's come back after 176 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,360 two weeks. She deserves the line share of 177 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:38,679 the time. Yeah, no, I get it. 178 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:43,159 Yeah, game's been great playing with my raid team on an A, my 179 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,440 key team, Valor Reign. I made my trumpet, my trumpet 180 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,880 return to EU healing. I am healing again for the 181 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,880 rating Fates Reforged. A bunch of friends of the show 182 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,920 are on this Guild and they were, they lost a healer, so they 183 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,440 needed somebody. And I thought, you know what? 184 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,120 I don't need to see my family. Let's play some more Warcraft. 185 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,160 For Asroff does not condone Warcraft widows. 186 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,240 Yeah, for legal reasons, it's a joke. 187 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,680 I see my wife plenty. She's sick of me. 188 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,040 See the pre show. Yeah. 189 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,200 OK, Well, I'm, I'm glad for that. 190 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,320 We have seen a lot of people who are being diving into both 191 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,560 Mythic plus into delves, into rating. 192 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:35,000 It is in full swing. And this week we got huge 193 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,680 changes, hot fixes that have shaken up a lot of things. 194 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:42,800 So it doesn't really matter what you play, something has been 195 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,400 adjusted that affects you. So the first two that we're 196 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,960 going to deal with or stuff that have sparked a lot of 197 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,960 consternation in the community and they seem like relatively 198 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,960 small changes, but clearly nobody like that. 199 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:06,760 So the first one is that Zekvir and Zekvir's layers no longer 200 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,040 count towards credit for the Great Vault. 201 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:16,120 This was because a lot of people were just chain running the 202 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,160 supposedly mage tower level challenge that at the base level 203 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,600 8 is no longer that big of a challenge for many people who 204 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:30,200 are relatively geared. And as people have been just 205 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:36,120 trying to, you know, min Max optimize, conserve as much 206 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,320 effort as possible. This seemed to be the fastest 207 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,000 way for people to just fill up their vault. 208 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,080 And so Blizzard came down with a nerf hammer and said, no, not 209 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,280 happening. What do you guys think of this? 210 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,920 Let's let's go to you first, Sean. 211 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,040 I feel like I guess I'm of two minds. 212 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,720 I suspect Zek fear counting towards the weekly fault was a 213 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,720 bug that was never meant to happen and that Blizzard simply 214 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,840 removed it once they realized it was happening. 215 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,560 So I don't really. I don't delve a lot and I'm 216 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,520 beyond a gear point where it matters. 217 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,120 Any characters I have that could still use the gear from delves 218 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,280 are going to run bountiful delves because I need the gear 219 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,480 from delves that I get with the keys in the chests. 220 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,280 But the other side of the coin is who is this hurting? 221 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,680 Just leave it right? If people only have a limited 222 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:31,600 time every week and they can jump in and blast out eight Zek 223 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,440 fears and they're two hours to play that week, just let them. 224 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:41,360 Who delves are so irrelevant at this point for anything other 225 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,920 than alts and I guess AOTC only teams there's just go let them 226 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,640 do them anyway all right? There's a lot of there's a lot 227 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:56,080 of caveats in irrelevant there. So let's let's go to Lex. 228 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,200 You've been seldomly playing the last two weeks, so your gear is 229 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,840 probably not as advanced as Sean, who's been pushing through 230 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:08,640 halfway through mythic. So I would assume that that that 231 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:13,520 the vault and the entire row for Dells is still fairly relevant 232 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,040 for you. What about you? 233 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,320 What do you think about this? Yeah. 234 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:23,360 I mean, what is the whatever 6/5/16, 5:16 that's the year 235 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,440 that it's dropping 216? Six or three at the end, 610 if 236 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,200 you have a map and 616 in the vault. 237 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,880 In the I, I only pay attention to the last two numbers. 238 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,000 Everything else is irrelevant to me. 239 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,920 The first the I'm moving on. I'm I'm not making that joke. 240 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,320 Yeah, so 616 gear is still, I'm 610 item level, so 616 still 241 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:48,360 feels very good to me. I I will say everyone was like, 242 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,440 Oh yeah, you can fill your whole great vault slot in like 10 243 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,240 minutes. Like, yeah, that's the problem. 244 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:59,040 Like, I don't know, I, I, I, it was, it was a little funky that 245 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,480 Zac Fear's lair was giving us great vault credit. 246 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,320 I am with Sean. I think it was probably a bug or 247 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,400 they didn't realize that people would literally just sit there 248 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,280 grinding out Zac Fear's vault or Zac Fear's lair for their great 249 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,320 vault. I hear you, Sean, that like, you 250 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,000 know who's being harmed by this? But I mean, at that point, why 251 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,880 can't I fill out my mythic plus line in 10 minutes, right? 252 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,600 Like why can't like to some degree, I think gears being 253 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,080 handed away, what's the meaning of it, right? 254 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,080 Like 616 is is pretty high level. 255 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,040 Like that's hard to get outside of. 256 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,760 Like there's a reason that that like delves my team. 257 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,160 You're right. AORTC only teams love delves 258 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,520 still like we all still do our full line fault line because 616 259 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,640 is nothing to sneeze at for an AORTC only team. 260 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:53,480 So I think that that like kind of gets into the like the deeper 261 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,040 underlying question of like, how much should World of Warcraft be 262 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,200 catering? Sounds like bad, I think. 263 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,200 But like, how much should we be prioritizing making it so the 264 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,520 people don't feel like they have to grind to play this game? 265 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:10,000 And like you can do relatively like mid level, like AOTC and 266 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,400 mid level keys with limited effort, given that most of us 267 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,560 are adults, like established in our careers, in our lives, we 268 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:20,240 have kids, we have families, not me, but other people have kids 269 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:25,040 and families. So time is limited versus like 270 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,040 if everyone is getting to a certain level than that levels 271 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,080 kind of stops feeling meaningful because everyone's getting 272 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,440 there, right? Like nobody had to work for it. 273 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,120 And that that's a really complex question. 274 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,000 We've talked about that so many times on the show. 275 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,360 We will continue to talk about that so many times on the show. 276 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,040 So basically I kind of am on Blizzard side with this. 277 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,200 I think that like personally, I think that if you are able to 278 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,800 fill out an entire like one of the higher level great vault 279 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,160 slots in 30 minutes, that's not meaningful. 280 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,840 Like at that point they might as well just like you log in and 281 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:55,520 you get it. That's not true. 282 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,240 I understand you're doing more than that, but still like it. 283 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,680 It's it's a pretty low amount of effort. 284 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,720 I understand why people are frustrated. 285 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,800 I think that it was probably a good call from Blizzard and I 286 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,880 think that it only feels bad because it feels like something 287 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,600 was taken away. I think that we were all no go 288 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,240 for. It I don't think Zekfir's layer 289 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,240 drops loot, does it? So it stops. 290 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,680 Purely to just so it's. Just your vault slots, yeah, 291 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,640 Yeah, I I got to tell you, man, if you still need gear, like if 292 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,040 you still need 616 track gear, I don't think you're clearing 293 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,320 Zekfir 8 times in 10 minutes. I don't think you. 294 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,920 Clearly we are. It's I think it was mostly. 295 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,440 Is it that fast? Yeah, it's super easy. 296 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,880 I mean, like, maybe OK, not 10 minutes, like 30 minutes in 297 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,280 exaggeration. It's probably like an hour of 298 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,480 grinding but still OK. You could you could do 8 delves 299 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,840 in about an hour. Ogre or druid You still threw 300 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,760 them. Just run that earth crawl mine. 301 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,040 Still need to. You still need to do the 302 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,360 objectives along the way. And. 303 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,000 That is going to cause you to pull more stuff that will cause 304 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,360 you to make the and make it longer to Zach fair like this is 305 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,560 sorry. In my opinion, this is Ma of 306 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,400 souls again. It is people who were seeking 307 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,760 their rewards that wanted to do it in the most efficient way 308 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:11,160 possible. Running through Zechvir's layer 309 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,480 is fun. The first time you get it done 310 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,360 and possibly the next bunch of times you get it done. 311 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,960 That is like I did it on my retribution spec, I did it on 312 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,880 protection spec, I've now done it on holy, I've now done it on 313 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,840 all three roles. Like I've mastered this content. 314 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:36,680 I think that there is generally something that is fun for people 315 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,600 to do it multiple times. I think that Blizzard has the 316 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,440 numbers and if somebody is doing it 8 * 1 character 8 times the 317 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,720 second character, 8 times the next 6 characters, they're not 318 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,080 doing it for the fun and enjoyment of it. 319 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:55,960 They are clearly looking to to like maximize the reward that 320 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,800 they get out of it. And so if you are somebody who 321 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:08,319 does normal or is AOTC so that your other your other tracks 322 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:13,079 don't just surpass it in terms of item level, yeah, this will 323 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:14,960 be good. If you are somebody who is 324 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:21,400 looking for your tear set to get your tear set all all at least 325 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,000 heroic level, it makes sense to fill out this line. 326 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,160 And I believe people were doing this in order to like get the 327 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:34,040 get the rewards because you don't get end of end of dungeon 328 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,400 gear out of this. This is this is specifically to 329 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,440 fill out the vault to have those extra selections to be like, OK, 330 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,520 I got something I can throw it in the catalyst or I got the the 331 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,640 tier exactly. Or the there's a trinket, a 332 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,960 knife, ritual knife that if you are not in mythic level is 333 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:57,840 genuinely a competitive trinket against anything you can get in 334 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,520 raid or mythic Plus. But it is not on anybody's best 335 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,120 in slot list because it caps out at that 16616 level that you can 336 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:10,760 get it from or whatever. I think 619 is the cap of like 337 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,440 that that line. Who knows of a? 338 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,640 Zero track, it's 626 is the cap. 626 Thank you. 339 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,360 Right. And so I think that people can 340 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:28,200 push for for that reason or, or or another, but genuinely, who 341 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,960 does it hurt? Is is like one of those things 342 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:39,320 where it's like, if I give away, if I could create $1,000,000 and 343 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,360 give everybody $1,000,000, who does it hurt? 344 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,520 And it's like nobody immediately. 345 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,880 But then the community adjust to it. 346 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,280 We get people who are like nothing in the lower levels of 347 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,600 mythic plus means anything. And now nobody get nobody gets 348 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,520 to like work their way up through Mythic. 349 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:03,120 Plus we get everybody who is in the raids, who gets normal, who 350 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:05,720 looks at the gear and there's like, I don't need any of this. 351 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,920 And they jump directly into heroic because they've out 352 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,800 geared it before they've done their natural progression and 353 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,880 the raid gets devalued. And I'm not saying that this is 354 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,440 like a awe things need to be hard. 355 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,880 It's that the progression gets screwed up. 356 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,880 It causes it, it causes people not to like to over gear things 357 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,360 rather than learn through things. 358 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,800 And that causes them to hit a much harder wall when they stop 359 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,880 getting that support of that gear. 360 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:39,200 And there's also a question of like if you are, let's say you 361 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,720 are a delver only you only do second. 362 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,000 I didn't remove that that gear still exists. 363 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,200 You said it just takes 8 times as long now, right? 364 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,760 You're. Going to run 8 delves instead of 365 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,480 eight, and now you're also going to get hero track gear because 366 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,520 you're running four of them are going to be bountiful with keys. 367 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,560 So they've increased the amount of gear you're going to get by 368 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,480 doing this? No. 369 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,960 Well if you run 4 bountifuls that give you loot that give you 370 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,360 6 or three heroic track loot, that's four more pieces you 371 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:10,320 weren't getting if you were just doing 8 sectors. 372 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,560 Yes, but you've created a false dichotomy there. 373 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,800 Both options existed prior to this week. 374 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,480 One options gone this week. If you were getting the gear 375 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:23,120 through doing the doing the bountiful delves right one, 376 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:25,360 you're playing more and I would suspect that you have a little 377 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:28,680 bit better practice with your your character though it 378 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:29,280 doesn't. It's not. 379 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,480 One for one. Doing a delve is not the same as 380 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,080 rating is not the same as mythic. 381 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,960 Plus way harder than doing a delve doing is a single zek fear 382 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,840 is way way outer than doing a single belt I. 383 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,920 Wonder if that's class specific because I have very like I 384 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,080 personally I found it different like just the I guess challenges 385 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,000 is relative. Yeah, relative. 386 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,000 Yeah, like like so, So for me, I have found that like Zek fear, 387 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,160 it's a very like rinse and repeat sort of mechanic focus 388 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,360 thing. And once I kind of got that 389 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:02,760 dance, it was like a little bit of a pain, but like I can get it 390 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,880 down pretty easily. Delves, I mean, are also kind of 391 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,080 rinse and repeat, but longer. There's more like different 392 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,800 people are doing different things, different things are 393 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,560 going on over here. I gotta remember to gather this. 394 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,560 I gotta go over here. I gotta kill. 395 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,480 Like it feels like there's more going on. 396 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,800 And so going through 8 delves does feel like more of a 397 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,000 personal challenge then just like, OK, I'm gonna go back in 398 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,040 and then, oh, and then he's casting the thing and then I go 399 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,480 over here and I kill the spider web and then, Oh yeah, zoom on 400 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,040 back here. And then I do like it it for me, 401 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,600 that feels like a little bit a little bit easier. 402 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:36,360 And I mean, like to be fair. Also a lot of guides were very 403 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:39,320 specifically saying do Zach fear because it's so much faster and 404 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,520 and clean. I will also say, sorry, man. 405 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,640 And then a lot of you speak. No, no, go ahead, go ahead. 406 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,600 I think they're like 6 O Like the people who are benefiting 407 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,160 from 616 gear are not necessarily benefiting from six 408 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,280 O 3 gear. I don't do bountifuls anymore. 409 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,240 They're meaningless to me, right? 410 00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,520 It's the same gear though, you just upgrade it. 411 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,880 Yeah, crests are expensive. Crests are the hardest thing. 412 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,080 You're going for if you well, if you already have gear at 616, 413 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,640 you don't need crests, you just need valor stones and you can 414 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,120 optimize your stats or you can catalyze those pieces for your 415 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:13,880 heroic tier pieces. That's fair. 416 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,480 But so so like I I hear what you're saying there, but like to 417 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:22,000 push like as I'm so maybe I'm shabbatic hearing I mean. 418 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,880 OK. Sorry to support like in a 419 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,560 little bit, right. If you are going through Dekvier 420 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,880 it is an intense challenge that it is that is more of a 421 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:41,520 challenge in one sitting then Delves would be in anyone 422 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,360 sitting. But I think that the variety of 423 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:48,320 challenges in the delves, the things that that pop up gives 424 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:55,160 you more variety of like of encounters rather than hey, I've 425 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,280 learned how to defeat Zakvir. I know the three major moves 426 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,560 that he does. And I just repeat this at at 427 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,920 nauseam. I think that if you were pushing 428 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,640 an 11 Zakvir, he's going to be just harder and more demanding 429 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,320 because the intensity and the timings and, and, and what's 430 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,560 required of you in one go. But it doesn't require you to 431 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:19,720 use all of your tool set like you would see in in like the 432 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,840 full range of delves. In my in my opinion, like you 433 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,920 use more of your tool set then you would for a single 434 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,720 encounter. So I think in terms of like 435 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,840 specificity, how much does this mean do not screw up? 436 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,920 Definitely Zekvir is going to going to push that button. 437 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:40,120 But if it's like, hey, I don't know if this talent is good and 438 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:44,080 it's like, hey, there's, there's situations in these delves where 439 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,000 this poison cleansing totem is great or your roots are going to 440 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,960 be good. But Zekvir is never going to 441 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,040 demand that I use like a root totem. 442 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:57,280 I'm mostly going to be OK, stun, disrupt the spider, get out of 443 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,960 the the fear, make sure that I I don't have that, that I have a 444 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,840 movement speed to get out of the frontal that he does. 445 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,800 And roughly that's the that's going to be like make sure I do 446 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,520 it in a way that I don't get a crazy overlap, which is, which 447 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,080 is a different type of challenge, I think. 448 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,800 But here's So if I'm somebody who is doing 8 Zek fears a week 449 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,560 for my to fill my vault, I'm just going to wait for that good 450 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,040 story in Fungal Folly where I can skip everything and I'm 451 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,120 going to run that eight times and it's going to take about the 452 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:29,360 same amount of time. Sure. 453 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,120 But at that point. More variety of delves. 454 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,640 I'm going to do whatever the easiest fastest delve is 8 455 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,240 times. Yeah, but it doesn't. 456 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,880 I don't see, I don't see how removing Zekfir makes. 457 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,400 How does that? How is that better? 458 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,280 How is spam running one easy delve 8 times different than 459 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,120 spam running Zekfir 8 times? Fairpoint I mean, I guess. 460 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:52,680 That's what they're going to do. Yeah. 461 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,360 It's what they did to get to 8. Sorry. 462 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,440 No, you're right. And I, I know this is, I'm 463 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,680 getting a little bit more global in my thinking. 464 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,520 And this I, I do think that one of my issues with delves this 465 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,480 season is that it does kind of feel like it became giveaway 466 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,960 here. And I can get into quite a few 467 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,360 opinions on that. But I, I do think that part of 468 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:17,440 the like delves are complicated because people do think about 469 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,840 them in the mindset of this thing. 470 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,960 I should be able to do, you know, in a couple hours, I feel 471 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,320 to knock out everything I need to do. 472 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,680 It should be fast. It should be easy. 473 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,160 I did feel this a lot when they were nerfing them pretty heavily 474 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,000 because people felt like they were overly challenging. 475 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,200 I was like, but if that's supposed to be like, I think I 476 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,960 said on the show, like if that's supposed to be at the level of 477 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,760 like Mythic 2, then like that's actually kind of the level that 478 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,760 it's supposed to be at. And I think that that's an issue 479 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,280 that their Blizzard's going to have to reckon with overall is, 480 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,000 you know, nobody. And maybe I'm wrong, but I don't 481 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,640 think people, for example, approach Mythic Plus like that 482 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,680 right where they're like, OK, well, I'm just going to like, I 483 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,320 just want to fill out my great vault thing. 484 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,360 So I'm just going to do this. Oh, maybe they do, maybe they 485 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,800 do. I don't know what I'm talking. 486 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,400 About Yeah, I ran 478 Blackbrook holds in Season 3. 487 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,360 Fair enough. Yeah, 100% that's and I have run 488 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:11,640 mythic 10 mist of Tunis I how many weeks in are we times that 489 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,200 by 8? Fair enough, fair enough. 490 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,960 I take him back 100%. That's what people do. 491 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:24,080 So I will say that with the way that delves are random from 492 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,760 day-to-day, the, the people who find that perfect delve, it's 493 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,560 going to be different for for each person because there are 494 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,560 people who like will find that perfect, the best delve in the 495 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,360 week and they'll be online at that time during that day to do 496 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,520 it and they'll get it done. But there'll be people who 497 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,880 couldn't play that day and they'll find the next easiest 498 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,480 one. Everybody is going to find the 499 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,640 easiest path available to them, right? 500 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,600 But it's going to it's going to have more variety by default 501 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,680 because of of the way that the delves rotate and vary. 502 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,400 So there's there's going to be some adjustment. 503 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,000 It's not a perfect solution, but I don't want to get into some 504 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,280 sort of Nirvana complex where it's like we couldn't find a 505 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,480 perfect solution. So we're not going to do 506 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,280 anything at all, I do think. Who does that benefit then? 507 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,960 What? Who benefits from this? 508 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,360 I think that the people who are doing Dells who are are going to 509 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:24,800 find that, hey, the more, the more variety of the system is 510 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,040 now being used and the they'll get they, they will get 511 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,440 something from that, even though it's not the loot that they were 512 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,160 after, they'll get the experience and I'm sorry. 513 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,840 To talk. To somebody to say. 514 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,880 You think people who hyper optimized and ran 8 sectors 515 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,920 because it was fast are going to be happy now that they get to 516 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,760 experience other delves? I think that they will be 517 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,640 rewarded for the experience. I don't think they'll be happy 518 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,080 for it, But I will tell you, there are people who got into 519 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,280 this season of Mythic Plus and are like, this is way harder. 520 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,160 This is garbage. Blizzard Drake, what the hell 521 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,000 you've made, you've made it horrible. 522 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,120 You've destroyed Mythic Plus. There will be people who will 523 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,760 get into next season and will be like, what the hell, Blizzard? 524 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,600 You've made it. You've made it easy. 525 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,080 Everybody's getting everything. You've destroyed Mythic Plus. 526 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,440 Do I think the people who optimize will ever be happy? 527 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,360 No. Am I going to even argue that 528 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,560 there will be a point where it's? 529 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,480 Wrong with optimizing there's I don't think everybody I feel 530 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,200 like people try to like put a negative connotation on min 531 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,320 maxing and optimizing and I don't think we should I. 532 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,480 Would never put Aiden. I just, I just want to know who 533 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,240 wins when they take this option away, who wins from this? 534 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,360 And, and the answer I think is nobody, because the people who 535 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,160 weren't doing it don't care. They're going to keep doing what 536 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,400 they were doing. And the people who were doing it 537 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,640 are now just inconvenienced. And then I have to find the fast 538 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,120 delve and they're going to run that fast delve instead. 539 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,920 And like you said, if somebody can't get on that day, like, 540 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,880 just like having push weeks, if you couldn't get on for a push 541 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,880 week, well, I guess you're out of luck and you're going to run 542 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,520 a slower 1. And now I don't, I just don't. 543 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,720 Yeah, I, I'm going to change my answer from the beginning to I 544 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,080 actually think it's a bad change. 545 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,760 I think any change that doesn't have some group as a benefit 546 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,240 from it when there is nobody being hurt by it, I think then 547 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,960 that feels bad. I wouldn't be surprised to see 548 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,840 this get reverted. I believe, I believe that there 549 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:30,400 is a long term systemic issue with with everybody just running 550 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:36,600 the beer fastest thing at the cost of every other piece of 551 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,640 content, right? I believe that there is a cost 552 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,840 in that that does affect the community overall. 553 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,640 It is not immediate. And so the community is this 554 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,720 little like yay, we found a way to cheat the system, right? 555 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,760 And they will always try and cheat the system. 556 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,080 There will always be speedrunners in every game that 557 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,760 will glitch through walls. If they fix the wall, have they 558 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,160 really helped anybody? No. 559 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,160 The people who were going to glitz through the walls are just 560 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,640 going to find a new wall to glitz through. 561 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,880 And the people who weren't going to do it were ever going to do 562 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,760 it. But like, you understand why the 563 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,080 developers would fix that, right? 564 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,640 Not to dogpile on Sean, but I think also like it did it's 565 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,680 it's, I don't know numbers, but it's hard for me to really buy 566 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,280 the argument that like Zac Fear's layer is not 567 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,680 significantly different from other delves when like it was 568 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,320 everyone was saying, oh, you just run Zac Fear's layer, just 569 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,280 run Zac Fear's layer. Wowhead was doing articles about 570 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,200 how Zac Fear's layer is the easiest way to get all these 571 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,840 done. Like it was it was clearly a 572 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,480 significant difference, right? Like this is not a like couple 573 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,080 people are like, maybe you run Zexter's layer instead. 574 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,240 Like it was like anyone with a keyboard who has ever considered 575 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,360 min maxing was saying runs Zexter's layer. 576 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:51,280 And I think when something gets that much like it, it when when 577 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,000 there's that much of a difference that like it becomes 578 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,640 a cultural norm, it starts to be harder to push back against. 579 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:05,320 If you like it, like if if if you don't want to like like who? 580 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,680 Who's gonna run other delves in in groups? 581 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,240 If that's if everyone is saying just run Zac fears layer. 582 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,680 It doesn't matter, there's solo content, run it by yourself. 583 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,640 Sure, I mean, first of all, there's there's still you know, 584 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,960 maybe I'm just I I I I take in a lot of pressure that I don't 585 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,280 need, but like I I I did feel a little like if I was doing other 586 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,680 delves. It felt weird, like I felt like 587 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,200 I was doing something wrong. I felt like I was incorrect for 588 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,880 not just running Zac fears layer, but also like not 589 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,560 everyone does run delve solo right? 590 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,040 They're they're, I think maybe this has changed when it stopped 591 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,000 being like face roll cake if you're in a group and I only, I 592 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,360 only run delve solo, but like I I assume there are still some 593 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,080 people. I'm looking for group doing 594 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,840 delves and I cannot imagine that there were any major delve 595 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,200 groups that weren't either doing bountifuls or Zac Fear's layer 596 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,880 on repeat, but I don't know. Ran. 597 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,440 I ran 1 today and for the record it's August 9th. 598 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,920 October 9th and to date I have never killed Zac. 599 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,200 Fear. So fascinating. 600 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,600 It's fun. I couldn't, it was too hard. 601 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,760 Oh, wait, Sean, I'll do. Zac, fear with you. 602 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:03,800 It's fun. Yeah. 603 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,880 It's OK. I tried once. 604 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,480 I don't need to now. There's no reward in it. 605 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,080 Why would I bother? I'll wait till I. 606 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,720 I'll wait till I'm 636 and I'll come back in one shot over. 607 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,560 The time over the time, John, I can, I can zoom around, I can 608 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,960 fell rush over to the little spider cell. 609 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,200 It generally feels that everybody understands that Zach 610 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,280 Fairs layer was the the fastest, most efficient way to get the 611 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,400 loot. Nobody's arguing that the other 612 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,360 delves were somehow less fun, they were just less efficient. 613 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,160 So this is an argument about like, how much efficiency do 614 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,160 they want to do they want to put into it? 615 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,920 How lopsided do they want to to make this this particular 616 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,000 gearing path? And at that point, like, who 617 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,840 does it hurt? Like I guess nobody in 618 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:54,560 particular immediately, but like, does it mean that like if 619 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,800 they had said, OK, you know what, we'll leave this season 2 620 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,480 when we switch out Zek Veer for whoever the next one is, they go 621 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,560 change it, then that could be something. 622 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,440 And then just season 1 was degenerate. 623 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,280 But I guarantee you immediately people will be like they've made 624 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,760 season 2 delves way harder. I used to be able to punch out 625 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,520 and we would have the exact same conversation again, just with an 626 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,440 entire season of president and set. 627 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:26,280 So like, I don't believe there was any way to sort this that 628 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,480 would have made people happier and would have put the needle 629 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,680 where they want it to be in terms of like speed to get 630 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,560 through this. OK, I just don't. 631 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,040 OK, I, I like, I get that no change would there's no change 632 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,120 that could have been made that would make people happy. 633 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,920 But I think that reason stands that nobody is happy with this 634 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,680 change. Are you happy they made this 635 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,040 change? Does this give you joy? 636 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,080 How does it make your life better? 637 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,840 And the answer is you're indifferent because it has no 638 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,280 impact on your life. Elizabeth put all of his work 639 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,360 into making a fun little game for us, and I think that we 640 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,560 should explore it to its fullest. 641 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,800 Yeah. OK, stories Sean. 642 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,200 They have cute little things going on. 643 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,320 You're gonna be really upset. Like I'm about done running 644 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,920 delves unless it's on a rat alt that has no gear because they 645 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,480 have done value to. Me I'm I'm done running delves 646 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,120 like I I have seen people sex with me. 647 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,239 No, because it because I think of people more other than 648 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,199 myself. John, if you really want the 649 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,480 answer, I'm sorry, OK, right. And I don't mean to say it as a 650 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,840 backhanded answer. I just think of like, hey, if 651 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,400 delves they've dealt irrelevant to me and this is a situation, 652 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,440 why would they make those changes, right? 653 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:41,239 It is faster for somebody who is running like 65 level level 80s 654 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,040 to just hammer them, hammer it through. 655 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,400 But as we're going to be talking about, we want. 656 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,880 To tell them that that's not how they should play. 657 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,760 Well, the pressure becomes the pressure becomes that that is 658 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,160 the way to play as again this this goes into the next change. 659 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:02,600 So talking about the next change that they did, they change the 660 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,040 way that you get the time walking quest. 661 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,160 Instead of it granting 500 every time you complete it, it's now 662 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,400 500 the first time for the rewarding badges, but only 200 663 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,440 badges subsequent times. What does this mean? 664 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:27,320 That alts aren't as efficient as at being able to farm up these 665 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:35,600 badges right And then like it used to be that I would have how 666 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,360 many thousands on one character, how many thousands on another 667 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,560 character and never to and never could I pull it together. 668 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,560 But we're now in the World of War bands, so everybody can pull 669 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,000 it together. If somebody doesn't have like 670 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,280 10s of thousands of these badges, it's because they were 671 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,960 not doing it on alts. But if every, if every alt was I 672 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,840 could get 500, then the developers have to go like, OK, 673 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,360 what's the rate that they can earn this? 674 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,120 What do we need to cost these things as we're going into 675 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,960 refreshing all of these holidays? 676 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,800 And then if you don't have 65 alts or whatever the cap is, I 677 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:22,400 think it's 65 now you're behind. So you should be doing 65 if 678 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,200 you're 65 volts, if you're a collector. 679 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,960 And that becomes a pressure on, on other people to be like, hey, 680 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,160 I need to run up my alts. All those people who like were 681 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,640 doing the holiday bosses on like, I need to have an army of 682 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,720 alts to get my best chance. And they made the same sort of 683 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,400 adjustment where it's like, hey, first time on your your account, 684 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,760 here's your here's your best chance. 685 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,000 Subsequent times, yeah, you'll still have a chance, but it's 686 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,000 don't worry, it's not worth talking about. 687 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,160 It's a it's a similar sort of setup where it's like, listen, 688 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,240 whatever alt you want to make your focus or whatever character 689 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,120 you want to make your focus or group of characters you want to 690 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,680 make your focus, this is the time investment you can put in. 691 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,440 We are not going to to put it to a situation where you should be 692 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,640 able to like reasonably and reasonably. 693 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,360 It's different for other people feel you need to maintain a much 694 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,640 larger amount because it is that much more efficient to do it in 695 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,840 that manner. And you could make that 696 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,360 argument. It's less an argument for The 697 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,480 Dells, but it's definitely an argument for this. 698 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,040 I think this is a slightly different issue because this 699 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,320 like and Blizzard has been really clear since BlizzCon. 700 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,640 Like they said this so many times it was crazy that they 701 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,000 when they were building war bands they wanted to make alting 702 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,160 easier but not beneficial right? That, like having alts does not 703 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,000 make you suffer more, but it also doesn't mean that you are 704 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,640 having an easier time going through the game. 705 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,960 So we think that this change makes a lot of sense on that 706 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,720 with that mindset and frankly is is still fairly high. 707 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,480 But I I mean, I don't really care. 708 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,440 I don't time walk. So I think that this is more 709 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,280 than balancing alt levels and making it so that like you're 710 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,960 saying, people don't look at also, I think has, or at least I 711 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,240 don't know if they've like verbally said this, but it's 712 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:13,600 been very clear with their actions. 713 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,880 They don't want us grinding anymore, right? 714 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:22,760 Like they don't want I can't RAF levels of like grind for people 715 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,040 playing. They want people to feel like 716 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,840 they can log off after a, you know, a reasonable number of 717 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,800 hours in a week and not feel like intense FOMO and not feel 718 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,240 like they're gonna get kicked out of their Guild. 719 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,480 As long as it's as many hours as they decide you should be doing 720 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,600 in delves of. Course. 721 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,520 Don, sorry. We've moved on. 722 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,080 We've moved on, no. Valid. 723 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,480 You're so right. I we, we can, we can, we can dig 724 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,400 in. I have so many thoughts on 725 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,480 delves and how they're balancing delves and how delves affect the 726 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,760 gear system. Don, we can go so crazy. 727 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:55,880 We can talk about this for hours. 728 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,680 We should have a delve. We should have a deep Delve 729 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,120 episode. I'll I'll delve into the delves 730 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,360 my man, I'm not. I have some thoughts on delves. 731 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,680 OK, yeah. I mean, I guess this is I don't 732 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,640 care what, I have 140,000 of these tokens already. 733 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,280 Who? OK, I'm going to buy everything 734 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:19,000 when the vendor opens. I think that there's a there's a 735 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,320 couple of things with the currencies that they have to 736 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,720 consider, right. It is how much is already out 737 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:25,400 there. They're going to refresh all of 738 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,880 the the holiday vendors, including time walking. 739 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,840 We're going to be getting new, new mounts that are coming out 740 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,960 with that. As it stood, I would have like 741 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,440 at least 10,000. I think the, the amounts 742 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,560 themselves were like 5000 or something like that. 743 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,400 And at one point they put out two mounts and I was like, 744 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,280 that's it. Every time after I'm going to 745 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,680 have at least enough to buy 22 mounts. 746 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,240 And Blizzard has all this information. 747 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:54,480 They're like, well, Manny's got his 10,000 set aside. 748 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,640 Sean's got his 140,000 set aside, but he doesn't really 749 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,520 buy. So let's like weigh that 750 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,040 differently. Lex has got like 50 million set 751 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,680 aside. What in the world was she she 752 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,840 doing? She really liked Legion time 753 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,200 walking that one time and we couldn't stop her. 754 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,520 And then you say. The words I don't do time 755 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,760 walking and was like that's let's let's let's say that's a 756 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,920 lie. Yeah, I mean we have to expect 757 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,440 tuning like this in a war bound world. 758 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,880 Like we talked like they, they, they say right in the post like 759 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,360 they did it going in with reputation. 760 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,040 You know, you you get repped once a week and that is that is 761 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,440 a phenomenal change because that means you don't get to do stuff 762 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,240 on your main once it's lap Max level. 763 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:35,120 And you know, you're like, I don't want to we want to do Halo 764 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,400 fall. I don't need bountiful keys 765 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,400 anymore. I'll just run this rat alt and 766 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,680 still get the Rep from my account. 767 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,920 And this is the same thing. I'm going to do time walking on 768 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,160 my main, maybe one or two alts and that's it. 769 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,960 I don't get the full 500. OK, no big deal. 770 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,600 I'm really that upset about it. I will just run another alt and 771 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,240 run another, although I have to run another alt. 772 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,880 Anybody who has the number of vaults that would be like in the 773 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,600 in the realm of like if they get all 500, they're going to wreck 774 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,040 the economy already has that many badges and owns everything 775 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,400 anyway. So this is a this effects 776 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,000 nobody. This is just a a change to say I 777 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,160 don't. Think so the the the the people 778 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,320 who are like super super into it but joined later. 779 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,080 They're now behind all the people who were super into it 780 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,760 but joined earlier. And then if they. 781 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,120 Did a reset. Everybody who had the stuff 782 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,800 would feel so disadvantaged. This is again another situation 783 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,000 where. You can't be ahead and behind in 784 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000 collecting content that doesn't go away. 785 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,520 It's non limited, non time limited content. 786 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,640 You're not a header behind, you just you're going to get it 787 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:38,640 eventually. Just relax. 788 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,440 People, people will constantly and. 789 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,560 This is why I follow everybody on Twitter. 790 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,680 I follow three people. Me, Lex and Dax. 791 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,960 That's it. People will constantly have FOMO 792 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,120 though. People have constantly have 793 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,040 FOMO. They will. 794 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,440 They just realized he wasn't on the list. 795 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,720 No, no, it's fine. I like respond to Dax's tweets 796 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,120 and then like you see it in the replies, it's good. 797 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,000 I'm totally cool with this. I'm not going to go and cry 798 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,000 anyways. So we were just like saying 799 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,800 like, give me a second, I've got some in my eye. 800 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,760 Aw, Manny, no, I follow you, Manny, I follow you. 801 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,240 Like there's, there are so many people in so many different 802 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:22,600 positions. It is such a balancing act 803 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,680 because there's so many legacy issues that you have to take it 804 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:32,440 take into account, you do need to address that. 805 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,960 And like, I'm sure that's why in the upcoming event that we'll be 806 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,080 talking about, there's a new currency. 807 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:41,880 People keep complaining and be like, listen, why do you keep 808 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,280 making new currencies? It's because because the old one 809 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,000 has been devalued so greatly that if we used it, people would 810 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,960 walk in on the first hour and never need to go back. 811 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,800 And why in the world are we spending our time designing 812 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,560 that? There is guys at some. 813 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,200 Point they have design the content to be fun, so they go 814 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,520 back. Sean Minmaxers don't give a crap 815 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,080 about fun. Min Max is because. 816 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,560 Because we find min maxing to be fun, we generate our own fun. 817 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,000 We don't need Blizzard to make it for us, we will make it 818 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,240 ourselves. Well, if they do a new currency, 819 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:21,800 if they do a new system. I'm for a new currency by the 820 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:22,920 way. I think the new currency is 821 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,200 good. Yeah, I know, I know. 822 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,600 But I'm, I'm responding to like your, I believe that people 823 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,400 would hold your, your, your position, right? 824 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,480 And I love min maxing. I love, like trying to, to do as 825 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,040 much as I can within the limitations of what I can do 826 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,200 right? And I will find fun if they 827 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,840 bring back an old currency, if they create a new currency, if 828 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,760 they have a currency that degrades over time, I will find 829 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,160 the fun in min maxing that. So in that way, it doesn't 830 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,640 matter what they do. The min maxers are going to find 831 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,240 their fun, right? For the people who want to 832 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:07,120 engage with with this, they have to look at the legacy issues. 833 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,560 They also have to look at seeing like, oh, this dark moon fair 834 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,080 ride gives you this many tickets for spending this much time and 835 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,120 this dark moon fair ride gives you this many tickets for this 836 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,480 much time. So do we cap it so you can only 837 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,800 do 11 each time Dark Moon Fair comes up? 838 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,840 Or do we allow people to just keep doing the same thing over 839 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,080 and over again because that's where they find the fun? 840 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,080 And then it becomes like a, oh, shoot, we had somebody who 841 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,520 stayed up 82 hours straight just doing the same thing over and 842 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,520 over again. And maybe this wasn't the best 843 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,440 thing we could have done because now they've ballooned the ticket 844 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,640 market or something like that. So like this, always these 845 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,400 things. And the other thing about an MMO 846 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,000 is that like nothing like people are going to inherently feel 847 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,320 pressure off of each other, right? 848 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,440 So like you mid Max are people can be like, Oh well, I enjoy 849 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,280 mid maxing. But then the rest of us who are 850 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,000 normal with normal brains but just want to be able to keep up 851 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,120 with you guys in content so we can run mythic plus. 852 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,200 We'll be like, well, I guess I have to do that too then since 853 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,360 we're all grinding, I'll do mythic plus. 854 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,720 As long as you're nice and friendly and you don't mind when 855 00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:15,840 I die 50 times because I don't know what I'm doing, I'll do 856 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,320 mythic plus with you. DM me, hit a girl up. 857 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,880 I tried. You told me you were sick. 858 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,720 You faked an illness. Yeah, but that's because she 859 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:26,200 just wants to leave you to your 10s and stuff. 860 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,000 We can do. We can swap. 861 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,680 Germs. And you can sleep all day and I 862 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,240 can go off and like, look at trees like I want to, and then 863 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,000 we can talk about who's faking what. 864 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,880 All right, let's set up a fascon selection. 865 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,520 I can swap germs and I can spend 18 hours a day. 866 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,000 I don't know why but swap germs. This sounds so wrong, but we 867 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,200 were talking. About. 868 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,080 Legacy content. Not what I meant. 869 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,480 You didn't start it though. Anyways, I'm certain it's not 870 00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,760 what Alexa meant either. Legacy content is something that 871 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,400 Wow needs to deal with. They have to keep that bound. 872 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:06,960 But the great part of it is that that means that you have a 873 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,240 legacy. And the big thing that is coming 874 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,960 up is that we get to celebrate that legacy. 875 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:19,080 They announced that the WOW 20th anniversary patch 11.0 point 5 876 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:27,280 is going to be going live October 22nd in the NA, October 877 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,240 23rd in EUI don't actually, we do have some people who are 878 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:37,720 listening to us from Australia. October actually 23rd for you 879 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:42,360 guys too. So 24th in in Southeast Asia. 880 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:51,480 So this is it guys 20 years of World of Warcraft 30 years of 881 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,200 Warcraft as a franchise in general. 882 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,360 This is one of like definitely one of the games that is so dear 883 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,680 to me and we get to talk about like where were you? 884 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,800 Where were you back when this anniversary? 885 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,840 They have an entire patch for it that this is the 11 point O .5 886 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,760 patch. We have the event going from 887 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,560 October 22nd all the way through to January 6th. 888 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:23,880 This is going for through the entirety of the year into the 889 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,280 new year. Probably January 6th is the 890 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,040 Tuesday when they get back to the office. 891 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,120 They're going to. Do you think that's 11.1 or do 892 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,120 you think it'll be 11 point O .7? 893 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,840 5.1 That's going to be like months. 894 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,160 I think it's 11.1 because it's six weeks. 895 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,800 I would. I would if I would a betting 896 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:51,680 man. Yeah. 11 point O .7 is likely to 897 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,520 be probably. Is I don't think there's a .7 on 898 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,480 the road map, is there? Is there a road map period I? 899 00:47:59,080 --> 00:47:59,480 Think so? Go. 900 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,640 Grab that. Go grab that road map that 901 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,600 you're thinking about. I don't believe there is a there 902 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,280 is a general road map for the War Within though. 903 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,320 I'd love to see a road map for 2025. 904 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,200 That would be great. I believe that they they did. 905 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,240 Say what are? You talking about? 906 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,320 Yeah, sorry, it's it's a math. It's hard. 907 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,520 I'm too busy trying to kill Zekfir. 908 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:32,040 There is there's a 2024 road map, but there is no 2025 Rd. 909 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,560 Map. So does that 2024 road map say 910 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,760 anything about 11 point O .7? Nope, it says 11 point O .5 in 911 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:40,960 autumn. There's no winter. 912 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,920 Winter I guess will be. They started with winter, so 913 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,600 that'll probably the start of 2025. 914 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,880 Yeah, that would be December 21st technically I guess is a 915 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,280 winter and just putting that out ahead to be like coming in the 916 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,280 new year sort of thing. Yeah, just ahead of winter would 917 00:48:54,280 --> 00:49:02,280 be it would be pretty cool. So I could see an 11 point O .7 918 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:10,560 in December, but that is a very short time frame to then go into 919 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,080 11.1 in January. So I could also just say, say 920 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,320 based On this date that we're just going straight into 11 921 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,200 point. 0.7 went live on the internal dev servers one month 922 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,720 ago so. It's like. 923 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,960 The real maybe I like internalize that and thought it 924 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,560 was my own brilliant idea, but I said saw that we'll go. 925 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,400 Thank you, thank you, Patch sniffer. 926 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,080 Credit the patch sniffer. Thank you, Patch sniffer. 927 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:43,960 Yeah. So that still could happen and 928 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:49,120 then the event ends. We go into 11 point 0.7 in 929 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,480 January, but that seems like really long like you're saying, 930 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,080 Lex. So I would expect go ahead I. 931 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,000 Think the 11 weeks might work with the holiday and it being 932 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,400 the anniversary patch that could like justify it maybe? 933 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,200 To be fair, I have been saying, I'm like I think I said on the 934 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,640 show that I am worried that Blizzard is like pushing their 935 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,080 devs too hard. And I want them to know that if 936 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,960 they need to take more time, that's OK and they should take 937 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,800 more time. So like, you know, to be fair, 938 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,640 if that's what they need, that's what they need, right? 939 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,640 Like I would rather 11.1, like, you know, yeah, I'll be a little 940 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,320 sad and I'll just, I'll learn how to do high level mythics. 941 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,200 I'll actually get to Keystone Master, which is scary, but like 942 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:33,040 if, if they need 11 weeks between 11 point O .5 and 11 943 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,840 point O .7 and then they need 11 point O .7 before they go into 944 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,080 11.1, like that's OK. Like genuinely like I, I, let me 945 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,120 put this on record, refer back to this if I ever whine about 946 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,760 length again, like do it. I would much rather that than 947 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,720 Apache or the buggy 11.1, so whatever. 948 00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:51,760 Happened. The other part is, yeah, the 949 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,400 other part is that we are getting a raid with this. 950 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,520 The we have the anniversary raid, which isn't a full on 951 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,200 raid. I don't believe I've seen 952 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,520 anything to say that the item level with this raid that only 953 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,800 goes up to 15 people. Right, it's it's item. 954 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,800 It's par for par with Nurbar Palace. 955 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,040 Yeah, but it's not a higher level is what? 956 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,440 It's the same. It's same here. 957 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,920 Yeah, and it's like 15 people at at cap. 10 to 15, yeah. 958 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,840 Yeah, right. So and it doesn't have a mythic 959 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,600 mode, it's just too heroic. LFR, normal and heroic. 960 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,680 Yes. So there is no mythic level. 961 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,400 We're not going to see full progress of this. 962 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,600 This isn't meant to be a in between in between tier, nor do 963 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,880 I believe that this raid is supposed to like count as like a 964 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,960 hey you got a new raid so you can wait longer for another 965 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,720 raid. No, definitely not. 966 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,200 Definitely Yeah, It's a fun event. 967 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,760 It's ketchup gear. It's a Ketchup gear raid in the 968 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,720 middle. It'll probably be face roll easy 969 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,640 because by the time it comes most of us will already be in, 970 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,440 if not full heroic gear close to it anyway. 971 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,840 Yeah, for the teams that actually raid it into Heroic, 972 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,120 yes, for sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah, sorry. 973 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,560 Yeah, if you, but if you, no matter what, you if you are a 974 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,400 team that only raids normal, by the time this comes out you'll 975 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,520 be full normal gear because it will have been eight weeks of 976 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,040 rating normal and doing your delves for your free heroic 977 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,760 stuff. I think that this is going to be 978 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,880 something where nobody even maybe, no, I'm not gonna sell 979 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,080 that. I'm not selling that. 980 00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:24,080 I understand where you're you're fishing. 981 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,200 You have to understand professional. 982 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,480 I'm trying. To I'm trying to like focus on 983 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,560 my breathing so I don't sniffle into the camera because of my 984 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,360 fake illness. This episode is derailed. 985 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,640 OK, anyways, I think that maybe some teams might actually push 986 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,560 into her work if it is significantly easier. 987 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,160 They might feel like inclined to like give that push and maybe 988 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:50,040 that'll allow teams that are like if they are pushing hard to 989 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,600 like then be able to take that gear as an additional leg up in 990 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,720 their progress. But also after going for eight 991 00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:01,240 weeks with like the other adjustment that came in, I, I 992 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:04,760 feel like this, this tear is going to be what we're dealing 993 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,560 with now with Narobar Palace is going to be all pretty much 994 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,320 done. This is going to be, in my mind, 995 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,520 a Ruby sanctum sort of thing. For the people who are just 996 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,800 bored and want to raid. Here's a Here's a fun little 997 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,440 RAID that you can do quick. I am sad about the numbers. 998 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,240 I think that I think our Ray team is more than 15 people. 999 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:24,360 So like we're not gonna be able to do it or we'd have to sit 1000 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:25,920 people. But we don't like doing that 1001 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,080 trash. We're gonna have to split it too 1002 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,120 for sure. Yeah, I'll ask I guess, if it's 1003 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,880 ten. Yeah, it's an awkward number, 1004 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,080 but I I mean, at the very least of all of art, it sounds fun and 1005 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,440 cool. I never got to do Black Rock 1006 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,120 deaths because I was a child during the time that was out. 1007 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,160 You're still a child. I'm 28. 1008 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,360 I risk my case. Beyond that, we also getting 1009 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,760 time walking. This is the time walking classic 1010 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,120 that I'm really glad to see that come back. 1011 00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:02,040 I gotta assume that they rework these dungeons a little bit so 1012 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,400 that people can run through it a little bit smoother. 1013 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,760 It's is it the old school versions like classic true to 1014 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,240 classic? Yeah, it's classic Dead Minds. 1015 00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:14,600 I can't remember the other ones, but it's definitely the old 1016 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,160 versions. It's not the Cataclysm ones. 1017 00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:20,280 You know what, this might be the the time walking week that I 1018 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,080 skipped the most because I can't stand BC it's. 1019 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,040 Amazing. Classic Dead Mines is my 1020 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,920 kitchen. And I can't. 1021 00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,520 I wouldn't want to. Manny, how do you not like BC 1022 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,680 Time walking? It is the best. 1023 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,720 It's so fast. Now rap time walking is the is 1024 00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:38,680 fast. So is BC. 1025 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,880 Those dungeons are long. And wide and take way too long. 1026 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,720 Shattered shattered halls. Man I love BC time walking 1027 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,880 that's didn't just tell Jay hit for me because BC was like when 1028 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,160 I was the happiest. Maybe Wrath was when I was the 1029 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,280 happiest. BC was when I was with BC was 1030 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,440 when I was the soberest. Anyway, that's not even true 1031 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,080 either. OK, OK. 1032 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,320 Yeah, we're. Going to have a talk after the 1033 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,200 episode I. Love for a fact that somebody is 1034 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,080 listening to this show that I lived with during Burning 1035 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:13,120 Crusade and they're right now going bulls bullshit. 1036 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,960 That was the sober. Bull Ridge. 1037 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,600 We used to have, we had a taxi driver that lived in our area, 1038 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,240 Special shadow to John Lee. Hope you're still rocking it. 1039 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,600 Who we would call at like two or three in the morning to go pick 1040 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:33,120 us up cigarettes and McDonald's and drive it to our apartment 1041 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:34,840 because we were playing Warcraft. 1042 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,920 Sober activity. You guys, well, we weren't up 1043 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,800 till 3:00 in the morning just playing Warcraft. 1044 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,080 You guys both met him. He did those keys with us the 1045 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,160 other day, my friend. Wow. 1046 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:44,760 Yeah. Hi. 1047 00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:49,000 Buddy. I'm gonna get just more shot 1048 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,880 dirt when next time we do keys. Yeah, we've known each other 1049 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,200 since we were 10 years old. He stole my Marvel cards to. 1050 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,080 Him, honestly, he made AW for him. 1051 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,840 And he is screaming at his car stereo right now, so I say that. 1052 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,040 They were. The cards were in dispute. 1053 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,000 We'll leave it at that, OK? OK. 1054 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,480 The big thing that everybody is really happy about, of course, 1055 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,720 is the transmog sets that are coming back. 1056 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:22,240 These are the Tier 2 remastered sets for the classes that 1057 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,880 weren't around for Tier 2. They are getting in sets that 1058 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,720 would be like that the Envision would have existed at that time, 1059 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,360 but brought up to today's standards. 1060 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,720 Looks amazing. They did the like little post on 1061 00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:38,800 social media where it's like when you realize that Wow is 20 1062 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,320 years old and it's the paladin getting older, but it's also the 1063 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,000 paladin's armor upressing. And I'm like, that's a real nice 1064 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,800 way to show off that armor. So big, big W for the Wow social 1065 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:55,040 team. I they also have like a number 1066 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,480 of different events. There's a bunch of stuff. 1067 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,920 If you guys want to know everything, we have it in the 1068 00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:04,480 show notes. But just quickly number one 1069 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,520 thing that you're looking forward to, Lex. 1070 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,280 Deadlines, you crazy fool. That is so exciting. 1071 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,080 That is top of my list. I'm going to do that so much and 1072 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,840 I'm going to be such a nostalgia hit, OK? 1073 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,920 All right, all right, John, other than classic deadlines. 1074 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,640 So deadlines other than classic deadlines. 1075 00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,120 I'm looking forward to the raid. I think it's going to be a lot 1076 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:28,960 of fun. I'm going to put together A12 1077 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,160 main strike force and blast through it every day or once a 1078 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,840 week, every week. And just have some vibes in old 1079 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,000 BRD and I'm definitely down with that time walking. 1080 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,360 I'm going to probably this will be my big alt push for levelling 1081 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,120 because those dungeons, they get me right in the fields. 1082 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,680 So Lex, if you need any friends to blast time walking with, just 1083 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,080 let me know. Well, there's a lot to 1084 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,480 celebrate. There's a lot to. 1085 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,720 Mount showcase. Dance off. 1086 00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,160 He got your one. Yeah, no, I'm just trying to 1087 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,120 pick one of the other things in here that I'm not going to do it 1088 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,840 all that I'm excited for. To somebody who doesn't like 1089 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,400 dungeons and raids, feels like they're included in the show, 1090 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,480 but I'm really also looking forward to the showing off 1091 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,000 special toys that I've earned at the Bizarre. 1092 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,880 I'll pick one because I am genuinely excited for the 1093 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,440 spiritual successor to the Secrets of Azerov that is going 1094 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,840 to be started up there. It is like I think kind of 1095 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,520 tongue in cheek. You are a customer service 1096 00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,520 person. You have to deal with the issues 1097 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,480 that people bring to you and I love that concept. 1098 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,840 And so that's the spiritual successor for the Secrets of 1099 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,000 Azerov. I think that is going to be 1100 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,680 cool. I loved when streamers were like 1101 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,720 trying to figure it out and then like the next one would come. 1102 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,160 I caught up after the fact and was trying to like I, I just 1103 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,520 basically was like, OK, you know what? 1104 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,920 I watched 1 streamer and they were like, I'm gonna try and 1105 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,640 figure this out. And then I'm gonna like refer to 1106 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,280 like the guide and they would go through and they'd be like, 1107 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,040 where the hell am I supposed to go on this bridge and then look 1108 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,560 back this way and look back that way. 1109 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,000 Go back and be like, OK, I give up biggest or you're, you're in 1110 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,160 chat. Where the hell am I supposed to 1111 00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,200 go? And so that was a lot of fun. 1112 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,520 I love those. Those events that I like will 1113 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,600 remember that to this day. That was a lot of fun to watch 1114 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,560 people do that. So yeah, I do. 1115 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,600 I'm surprised. I, I do have one, so I'm, I'm 1116 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,440 hyped. I'm pretty hyped for the 20th 1117 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,720 anniversary. I legitimately think there's 1118 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,720 something for everyone. I was being facetious, obviously 1119 00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,680 with my joke about the things that I'm not interested in and 1120 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,640 and pretending I was. I am glad that there was 1121 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,720 something for everyone, but I am worried. 1122 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,720 I have a concern. It's been reported that the 1123 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:46,280 acquisition of the new currency is currently quite slow. 1124 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:52,120 If at the end of this 11 weeks I haven't had the ability to earn 1125 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:56,400 enough currency to buy everything, I'm going to be very 1126 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:57,120 disappointed. They. 1127 00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,560 Have catch up mechanics. It's Blizzard. 1128 00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:02,200 They're they love a catch up mechanic and their favorite 1129 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,640 activity there. I I swear to God there's an 1130 01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,560 entire team that just working on developing catch up mechanics at 1131 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,160 any given time. I'll, I'll address this because 1132 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:14,560 you brought it up, but like once you hit a particular amount of 1133 01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,400 the currency, all of those little daily events start giving 1134 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,840 you extra currency like you get you hit break points where you 1135 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,800 start getting more currency faster. 1136 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:28,040 So I suspect that it should be OK. 1137 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,840 I also think that I. Thought there was a daily cap 1138 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:31,680 that were. You worried about? 1139 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,240 I didn't even think of that. I guess hypothetical. 1140 01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:34,800 Yeah, but it's a rolling cap. You're going to. 1141 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,280 Set the cap low enough that you can't earn everything right if I 1142 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,960 cap every day. I need to know that I can buy 1143 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,960 everything at the end. Oh, OK. 1144 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,800 I mean like. You could jump on to the PTR and 1145 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,600 since you've, you've you seem concerned about this, then I 1146 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,600 suggest that you look to see because probably people have 1147 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,000 have already kind of done the math on like how much everything 1148 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,640 is and how much the the daily cap is. 1149 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,200 And now you know, the exact dates of months. 1150 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,200 So I feel like it's likely that you're going to be able to get 1151 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,360 everything. But we will. 1152 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,440 He just said he doesn't. Want to do math, Manny? 1153 01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:12,920 He has a calculator. Sean's all. 1154 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,960 About using the tools. So he hates me, so Sean's going 1155 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:17,920 to do that. He's going to. 1156 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,920 Let you know take. That why you're making me do 1157 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,760 this? No, because you brought. 1158 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,320 You brought up a. Concern that you're valid, that 1159 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,320 you feel is valid. Because I just want to be 1160 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,120 efficient. No, no. 1161 01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,120 I'm going to. I'm delegating the work because 1162 01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,400 I also like to be efficient. I'm not even going to run them 1163 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,320 anymore so. So. 1164 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:43,800 John, you're. Going to, you're going to do the 1165 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,120 math. You're going to find out. 1166 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,000 Let me know before tomorrow afternoon. 1167 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,760 I'm just going to complain about it on. 1168 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,520 Twitter No, no, you, you let me know we're. 1169 01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,480 Going to put in an edit that says you can't earn enough and 1170 01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:58,840 wait. Till somebody corrects me. 1171 01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,000 Because the only thing people like more than complaining is 1172 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,880 correcting somebody who's wrong. Do it. 1173 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,040 Do it. Sean, if you mic go do it, 1174 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,960 you'll get you'll get the answer before the end of the episode. 1175 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,680 OK, you're right. You're right. 1176 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,120 It is the best way. To find the answer to something, 1177 01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,640 make a very bold, very wrong statement about it. 1178 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,960 You'll be corrected. Yeah, so lot to. 1179 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,160 Celebrate, but we also want to take the time to celebrate the 1180 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,360 people who are supporting us at this show. 1181 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,320 Thank you to all of our patrons for your patronage. 1182 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,320 Fast will always be free, but if you enjoy the content we 1183 01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,120 produce, please consider supporting us over at our 1184 01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:44,800 Patreon that is patreon.com/fa. Zed because I'm Canadian Zed, 1185 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:50,880 not Z going into the next part we have we have three more 1186 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,480 topics we're. We're only. 1187 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,960 Going to be the the next ones. Are pretty fast and we're going 1188 01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,200 to do the next two OK yeah, we're not really going to talk 1189 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,440 about this class tuning aren't we? 1190 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,640 I was really going to we're. Slowing down. 1191 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,680 This is why this was Jonah's beats a long as elemental shaman 1192 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,000 is dead stop. OK. 1193 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,280 Sean, take us through the last aspects that we finally got this 1194 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:16,840 week. All right, we finally got 1195 01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,440 Zalatat's. Bargain devoured how this works? 1196 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,280 There's a healing absorb placed on everybody in the party. 1197 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,000 If you don't heal it off or dispel it before it expires, 1198 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,480 after 15 seconds it explodes and heals the enemies you're 1199 01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,880 fighting. If you do heal it off or dispel 1200 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:39,960 it in that amount of time, then you get health and crit for 20 1201 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,920 seconds. Find a shaman friend and run 1202 01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,680 with them this week because poison cleansing totem can clear 1203 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,800 it every time. So good because shaman has not 1204 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,280 been meta. Enough this. 1205 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,040 This season. It's good. 1206 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,520 They're eating good. They're eating good. 1207 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:53,960 This. Season waking up every day and I 1208 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,400 was like, God give them give. Something to the shamans, Yeah, 1209 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,040 I mean every class. Has a way they can deal with 1210 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,880 this. Just drink a health potion 5 1211 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:06,280 head but because it'll heal off the healing absorb. 1212 01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,080 But yeah, it's that's the that's the short answer. 1213 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,640 Bring a shaman poison cleansing totem. 1214 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,760 I think all of the healers can dispel it. 1215 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:20,360 It's not a healer affix, but the healer can deal with it easier 1216 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,520 than anyone else. No, you got a, You got a. 1217 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,680 Shaman it doesn't matter what role because the because like 1218 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,600 unless you are a priest, unless you are a priest and everybody 1219 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,320 is stacked together for that massive spell. 1220 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:37,520 Literally the shaman is the fastest way, the easiest way, 1221 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,640 like the least commitment. It's like it's not even close. 1222 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,640 It's ridiculous. This affix basically is like 1223 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,280 afflicted, except that it's on the player and not on a separate 1224 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:56,360 character. So it's so it's so free if I if 1225 01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,440 you're running from 2:00 to 12:00 like this, this seems like 1226 01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,680 the push week. The overlaps aren't aren't an 1227 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,640 issue like we have had in previous weeks, because you walk 1228 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:11,320 around with it. If you are anybody who has any 1229 01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,280 kind of Leech, you're already working against it from the 1230 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,400 second it drops in any kind of dispel. 1231 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,320 Use a potion 5 head like you're you're saying that Sean's just a 1232 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,600 tip for this week. You you this is so you don't get 1233 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,480 to pick what my tip is, Manny, I sure. 1234 01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,440 OK, Sean. What is your just the tip for 1235 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,080 this? Week So this week my just the 1236 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,080 tip is that for Salat's. Bargain to Fowler. 1237 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,400 You can just pop a health potion. 1238 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,400 Yeah, you can choose your health potion. 1239 01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,000 You could do an Algari health potion, which is like a lay on 1240 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,120 hands, or you can do a cave dull cave dwellers to light, which 1241 01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,720 doesn't share a cool down with your Gary health potion, but 1242 01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,840 instead is a combat potion. Now, you're not going to have 1243 01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,000 access to your combat potion, but let's be honest, if you're 1244 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,880 running below a 12, you're probably not popping combat 1245 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,280 potions anyway. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, 1246 01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,440 whoa. Exclusively right flow are you? 1247 01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:58,680 Hold on, Manny, are you in the last? 1248 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,400 Time I did a combat potion. Yeah. 1249 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:06,240 Like I'm like I'm now trying to like get between like into 10s 1250 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,960 and I'm like, I use them in rates. 1251 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,280 I I just stood like a. Ten. 1252 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:13,360 Oh no. Like. 1253 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,560 Behind everybody's journey is different. 1254 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,120 OK, you are exactly where you were meant to be and we will 1255 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,360 play with you. I already said I got rad alts 1256 01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:23,920 that I'm using in Delft. Here we go. 1257 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,440 They'll come to your keys, yo. OK, we're fine. 1258 01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:27,840 We're back, new frogs of Azeroth. 1259 01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,200 Keys, man, He's got rice. Got that? 1260 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,600 Warlock that he's terrible at. He'll bring that everybody will 1261 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,960 be on the same man he's created. Warlock No, no, I'm I'm terrible 1262 01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:35,560 at. Warlock. 1263 01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,520 Like totally different. You're working on it. 1264 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,760 Here's the deal guys. You could be bad at. 1265 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,240 Stuff. There is nothing. 1266 01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,360 Wrong to be bad at stuff. I am perpetually single because 1267 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:49,960 I'm bad at dating, but I will own that OK moving forward. 1268 01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,360 Yeah, OK. So let's just quickly run 1269 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,840 through this meta. This episode has been so off the 1270 01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,120 rails. Welcome back Lex. 1271 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:02,920 Warriors continue to be very popular between 2:00 to 6:00 and 1272 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,640 7:00 to 11:00, which is really great because warriors are in a 1273 01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,720 fantastic place. As Sean, you have been promoting 1274 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:14,480 since before to the war with an even came out, so your opinion 1275 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,080 is super valid. We do see that as you move into 1276 01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:23,200 the Keys 12 and higher, that you're actually seeing Vengeance 1277 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:27,120 Demon Hunters becoming the most popular, as well as seeing 1278 01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,400 Guardian Druids that we mentioned last last week also 1279 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,720 coming in there. It's because we're fun. 1280 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,360 We got good vibes. Restoration. 1281 01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:41,000 Shamans. Just continue to dominate across 1282 01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,840 all levels. The the representation is just 1283 01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,160 ridiculous. I have to believe something is 1284 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:52,800 coming to adjust them because they are just they are the 1285 01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,240 outlier. Everything else is that we saw 1286 01:07:55,240 --> 01:08:02,320 last week is relatively in in play, but this is a case where. 1287 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:03,400 They're going to get nerfed. This. 1288 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,880 Isn't the other classes getting put up? 1289 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,440 I don't know how you nerf it though. 1290 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,640 They're not they're. Not in first place, 'cause 1291 01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,280 they're blasting, healing so high. 1292 01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,920 They just have a million utility. 1293 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,440 It's the utility. And Sky Fury. 1294 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,520 We gave them a raid buff and everybody was like, oh you know 1295 01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:22,680 what, they can also cap totem and thunderstorm and shortest 1296 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,720 kick on the planet and X and maybe we should bring them. 1297 01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,960 I also 20% extra. HP every. 1298 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,120 Time they heal somebody. They they are. 1299 01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,800 They are. Likely to adjust that the extra 1300 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,840 HP on top. That's the reason that odd Voker 1301 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,880 is being used a lot is for that extra cushion for the health. 1302 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:50,640 I suspect that you're likely to see a paladin like shift to the 1303 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:56,359 class tree in a later in a later build, maybe going into 11.1 1304 01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:57,680 because I don't see it in sky fury. 1305 01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:02,880 No, not for sky fury for the utility you may see like cat 1306 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,520 totem get like restricted to GDPS tote Sean. 1307 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,279 I don't know. I don't know how you. 1308 01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,080 Oh, restricted. OK, I see what you're saying. 1309 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:12,240 I see. I don't know, man. 1310 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,600 That feels bad to me. They did it for. 1311 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,080 They did it for. Paladins, they have the 1312 01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,359 president. They it's clearly specifically 1313 01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:23,120 Resto that needs to be addressed. 1314 01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:26,439 Pruning some of that utility so they can't do everything. 1315 01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,359 I think is the is the way to address it because it's not like 1316 01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,359 they heal far better than everybody else. 1317 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,640 It's not like there isn't rate utility that's being left on the 1318 01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,000 floor by the groups that are pushing so high. 1319 01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:41,120 It's the extra health. It's the fact that they have 1320 01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,359 everything. So you got to address those, in 1321 01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:45,880 my opinion. Also, they're cutie. 1322 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,279 Well, they have good vibes. It's hard. 1323 01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:49,279 For me because one of my friends is playing resto. 1324 01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:53,200 This year and I played Resto and Amir Roussel and I love Shaman's 1325 01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:54,800 guy, I love Shaman and I don't want. 1326 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,600 To see it get nerve but at the same time I also. 1327 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,760 Understand. Like, hey, a Miss Weaver would 1328 01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,160 like to get invited once to a key this season. 1329 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,480 Just once. Well. 1330 01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:10,640 Honestly, in terms of classes, every single class has completed 1331 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:15,040 at least a between 14 to 14 to 12. 1332 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,760 I like looked to see when they what the highest was for each 1333 01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,760 class and so they're all within 2 keys of each other. 1334 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:26,720 Most are have completed 13. That is even going with the fact 1335 01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,120 that there's going to be a selection bias that is going to 1336 01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:35,000 turn these numbers to be a little bit more extreme than 1337 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,360 their actual capabilities. But the capability is there for 1338 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:45,360 people to get to those higher keys with any class and it's 1339 01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,840 it's proven. It's not theoretical in terms of 1340 01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,200 DPS though. We're also starting to see sort 1341 01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:58,080 of a meta build there. Paladins and DKS are really 1342 01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:02,560 becoming like mainstays, which is a very melee heavy sort of 1343 01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,400 set up. That also means, I think that it 1344 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,200 kind of hurts Holy Paladin, Holy Paladin Miss Weavers, the ones 1345 01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,160 that have to get up close, because now everybody's kind of 1346 01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,160 grouped up. So I think that also sort of 1347 01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:20,040 sort of effects things as well. And it's being enabled by Resto 1348 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,280 Shaman being able to hang back and do everything from the 1349 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,800 distance and do things while moving. 1350 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,720 Good grief. Spirit Walker's grace is so good 1351 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,440 but so they also need to be addressed. 1352 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,800 We should get rid of it. They should block it behind zek 1353 01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,440 fear. 'S layer completions, but if. 1354 01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:39,080 You are interested in keys, just like we said at the top of the 1355 01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:44,040 show, we have links to radar IO's route guides. 1356 01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:49,480 We have links that show just like the breakdown of of like 1357 01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,200 how the affixes are coming in, what you can do. 1358 01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:56,240 So there's all those resources there, so make sure you check 1359 01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,880 that out. The last thing that we have to 1360 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,000 talk about, of course, is the raid. 1361 01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:06,040 We are now past the race to world first. 1362 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,000 The top teams have have started coming in. 1363 01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,440 We're now at a point where the Hall of Fame is sort of what 1364 01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:15,040 people are looking at. And then from there it is 1365 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,960 cutting edge. I got to ask you, Sean, as 1366 01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,320 somebody who raised on a mythic level, do you think we're going 1367 01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:26,360 to see the Hall of Fame filled faster now that there is no 1368 01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:33,800 cross mythic day one, right? And do they even keep keep track 1369 01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,920 of a Hall of Fame anymore or have they just done away with 1370 01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,160 it? No, they're still going to keep 1371 01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:38,680 track of a Hall of Fame, but I don't think. 1372 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,480 It will be filled until there is another massive sweep of nerves. 1373 01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:43,720 Especially after the preservation nerves. 1374 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,240 A lot of these bosses were only killable because you had dual 1375 01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,800 preservation evokers healing it. And now that they've been nerfed 1376 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,760 one of their one of their builds has been nerfed. 1377 01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,280 I think without corresponding boss nerfs you're going to have 1378 01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,480 a real hard time. Kyvesa is still a major wall. 1379 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,240 As we start to get the stacking buff it'll help, but if that's 1380 01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:05,440 what we're relying on for Hall of Fame teams to clear the raid, 1381 01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,720 mere mortals can forget it. I think I I wouldn't be shocked 1382 01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:16,080 if we didn't see another massive sweep of nerfs on Oven Axe, 1383 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:20,920 Chivasa, Tokencourt and Ansarek before we start to see these 1384 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,720 things. 5 bosses entirely. Yeah, oven axe. 1385 01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,080 Has been killed 200. As of yesterday I looked at this 1386 01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,760 up. Yesterday 289 guilds had killed 1387 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,800 Oven Axe. 289 guilds required two blood death nights to kill 1388 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,360 Oven Axe. Zero guilds up until yesterday 1389 01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,760 had killed it without having two blood death nights. 1390 01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,680 So all of those nerves that we know when everybody on Twitter 1391 01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,600 screamed, oh they can't, they gutted it, it's dead. 1392 01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,640 This will fall over. If you have two geared and 1393 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,760 capable blood death nights on your team, there is a theory 1394 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,920 that it'll work with a Vengeance DH and a blood death night and 1395 01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:05,440 then a third tank to three tank it, but I don't think any teams 1396 01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:08,320 have actually done that yet. It's all been two blood. 1397 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,840 They should try it because vengeance demon hunters as we. 1398 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,960 Know are key to opportunities that have they should and this 1399 01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,760 is a mythic on heroic. It just none of this applies on 1400 01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,440 heroic. But yeah, honestly, the last 1401 01:14:20,440 --> 01:14:24,400 four bosses, the first four of this raid I think are tuned 1402 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,440 probably pretty good teams are killing them at a good pace. 1403 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:34,080 But the last four, like Ian said, we felt that the 1404 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,600 difficulty in a mere Dressel was gradual at first, and then you 1405 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,920 hit a wall at Smolder on Tin Rule and for Rock, and we don't 1406 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,680 want that to happen again. And I guess we all thought that 1407 01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,400 meant that we're going to smooth out the difficulty curve to the 1408 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,960 last boss. But what he meant was he wanted 1409 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:53,200 the entire last half of the raid to be a wall and not just the 1410 01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,840 last three. OK. 1411 01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,320 Yeah, well, you mentioned. The 1100. 1412 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:03,200 Guilds stuck on Ovenax, so you. Mentioned the raid. 1413 01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,600 Buff that is coming in yeah Lex, do you want to take some time 1414 01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:11,360 and just explain how this buff works Obviously this is not the 1415 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:15,760 savior Sean wants but this will help some teams progress over 1416 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,960 the coming week so how does this work exactly? 1417 01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,960 Such a good question Manny. So according to the show. 1418 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:24,280 Notes Starting this week, players can now collect Nerve 1419 01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,240 Bar Finery towards the Severn Threads. 1420 01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,840 Buff drops off of the boss automatically. 1421 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,000 Account wide currency players can only collect up to the 1422 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,560 account wide cap of eight this week. 1423 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,560 There is a catch up mechanic for those who start late 16 required 1424 01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,000 to turn in for a 3% bonus to damage and healing somewhere 1425 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,320 Strands can stack up to 8 times for a maximum of an 18% bonus. 1426 01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,640 Sean, do you want to tell us what that means? 1427 01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,560 Yeah, so. Every boss who kill drops one of 1428 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,280 these finery newer bar finery things. 1429 01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,960 It's it's a currency. It drops off a boss. 1430 01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:58,520 If you kill the boss, you loot it. 1431 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,960 It goes into your currency tab. If you don't loot the boss, they 1432 01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:03,360 mail it to you. You still get it. 1433 01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:05,840 So full clear the raid, you get 8. 1434 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,800 It takes 2 full clears of the raid on any difficulty to get 1435 01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,800 16. You turn in those 16 and you get 1436 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:20,120 we think a 3% healing done and damage done bonus war band wide. 1437 01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,400 So every character in your war band will have this buff once 1438 01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,600 you do this turn in and that's stacks up to 8 times. 1439 01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,280 The first time you'll be able to turn it in will be next reset. 1440 01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,840 So if you're listening to this, the next reset you will be able 1441 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,360 to full clear. If you're a team that raids on 1442 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:42,320 Tuesdays, blast LFR when you log in before raid time, get your 8, 1443 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,520 turn it in. You have your extra damage jam 1444 01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:47,800 for for raid on Tuesday if you want. 1445 01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,120 Or don't. I mean, I think this is another. 1446 01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,680 Reason that you're going to see some teams that are like let's 1447 01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,360 say frog and on Mythic, they're going to go back and just kill 1448 01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:02,000 like the last couple of bosses on a lower difficulty, whether 1449 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:06,520 that's LFR to heroic just so that they can make sure that 1450 01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,280 they roughly hit their eight these first couple of couple of 1451 01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,720 weeks. Sean, you are right. 1452 01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,000 I think that is another tip right there. 1453 01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:19,160 Make sure that if your team is like OK, we're going to proc 1454 01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,160 through and we get the 44 bosses and we're trying for that 5th 1455 01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,160 and hey, we finally got that fifth boss. 1456 01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,160 Yay. Make sure you are hitting those 1457 01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:32,040 last three so that you can get this buff in the following weeks 1458 01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:35,120 as well. So that is the really good tip 1459 01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,080 there. And be nice to each other. 1460 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:37,480 Now LFR. LFR's fun. 1461 01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,160 Tell them. To have a good time, if anyone's 1462 01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:40,560 being mean to each other, be like, don't be mean to each 1463 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:41,520 other. It's LFR. 1464 01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,400 Have a good time, don't talk. No, it's. 1465 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:45,440 Fun. It's fun. 1466 01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:47,480 It's cute having a good time. They're trying to learn. 1467 01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:49,320 You could like teach each other. It's really good, it's really 1468 01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,520 cute. I love LFR, just want to quietly 1469 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,600 ignore my chat and get my. Items, please? 1470 01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,040 Yeah, or you can or you can or you can make friends and. 1471 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:57,720 You can help people with the mechanics and you can be like, 1472 01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,280 OK, so I think we're not understanding here. 1473 01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:00,600 And you can walk them through what people aren't 1474 01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,080 understanding. And then you guys can have a 1475 01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:02,880 good time. You can have fun. 1476 01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,640 And if anyone's being mean, you could be like, Oh my God, 1477 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,240 imagine being such a loser that you're mean to people in LFR. 1478 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,680 I'm gonna commit, Sean aside. And I'm gonna AFK. 1479 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,560 Straight through. I did that today. 1480 01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,800 All right, guys, we're gonna. Call it here. 1481 01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,840 Until next time, may all your hits be crits.