I don't think Manny's going to edit this.
I think one of us has to, which means no editing.
You're ultimate if you're hearing this, listeners, it
means I was right and Manny chose not to edit this episode,
which. Is frankly his rights victory
for the Forsaken? For Lord Iran.
For the Karen tour for. Pandaria.
For calendar. To the burning region for
Gilnaeus but have not died, for the Lich King, for the Sindora,
for the Alliance, for the Horn for Azeroth.
Hello and welcome to the latest episode of Four Azeroth.
You may notice that I am not the true Villa Manny.
He is on sabbatical this week. Manny is taking a vacation and
he was traveling to the deep north in Ontario, which is the
province he lives in. I'm probably not supposed to be
doxing my Co star. Co host.
Co star sounds really pretentious.
He is a star. He is the star.
On a note, I would like to introduce the other those star
I'm calling I'm calling you star.
It is Lex Rance. Lex, how has the World of
Warcraft been treating you? It's been.
Treating me very well. I my primary interaction with
World Warcraft is that I'm currently reading the Illidan
novel because I refuse to read any of these novels in any sort
of order. And I will say I'm feeling a
little bit embarrassed for the number of times I called this
man my husband because I hadn't really been paying attention in
BC and I kind of did not realize how terrible and horrible and
curl he was. So, you know, we're not sure how
that one's going to go, but it's fun.
It's a good I, I, I am actually really enjoying this novel.
And as I have proven on this podcast, I can be kind of picky
with my kind of, I can be very picky with my fantasy writing.
So I'm having a good time. I'm, I'm, I've been right along.
How's the World of Warcraft treating?
You been treating me great. In fairness to you, Ilidan is
kind of the model relationship for my parents as I was growing
up. So it makes sense that you would
be calling him your husband because it is the model of
husbandry that I have seen. My father is a lovely man now
Warcraft though has been treating me great.
He doesn't listen. He's been treating me great.
We are deep in preparation for the upcoming season.
I wrote my raid tank swap guide for my EU and NA guilds today
actually, and did some PTR testing of some of the new
dungeons and have just really been like hard shifting full
force into dancing at the pink palette club in season 3 for my
hitting my protection pilot and ready to go.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited, pretty excited.
That's so exciting my I As you can probably tell, I've not been
playing a lot of World of Warcraft recently, but tomorrow
I'm supposed to be getting my floor couch and I already have
my nice little coffee table, so I should be soon playing on the
floor, which means that I will allegedly be playing
significantly more. The flip side is that it's now
beautiful. And the other thing that I got
this week is a nice little patio set so I can go eat, you know,
meals and read my illinant novel outside and it's, you know, in
the 80s and I can't walk because it's hot.
I refuse to walk when it's above 80°, but so I get to go sit
outside with my dog. So we'll see.
We'll see. But that setup should be coming
and assuming everything goes well, I will be at a very
different angle at the next for Azeroth.
And if you're not watching the for Azeroth live, you can always
go to bit dot LY slash fast discord and then you can get
notifications when we're going live for for our.
Yeah, Manny set up events for everybody that you can like
click if you're interested in watching the live show and he's
not here, so I have no idea if those ping anybody.
So I just sent a ping to the whole Discord so there's a
chance you could join. You're going to get random pings
from me. I apologize.
But like you gave us an excellent segue.
You're talking about your new home that you've just recently
moved into. You're setting things up,
getting your furniture arranged, buying a floor sofa.
I'm going to ask you later what that is.
I won't sidetrack as entirely on this episode, but that is in
line with Blizzard who on July by 10th gave us a Wow housing.
It's only neighborly article. Lex, can you break down what's
coming? Yeah.
So they have been giving us kind of this slow drip feet fed
information about what player housing is going to look like.
And this time they're telling us a lot more about neighborhoods,
which is I think something that my team has been talking about a
lot. Because that for a lot of us is
going to be the bake or break for how much we engage with the
player housing system, right? Most of us are not super
designer like, oh, we're super excited about putting things.
We've been fighting for player housing forever.
And so player housing for us is going to be exciting as a way to
hang out with each other and engage with the Guild and less
as a an individual thing. So let's talk about how we're
going to hang out and and engage with the Guild.
This is a ton of information. I definitely recommend checking
out the article, especially if you are particularly interested
in player housing, because I'm probably going to skip over the
things that are feeling very important to you.
But essentially they explained that there's going to be the two
different zones, right? There's Founders Point, which is
Alliance, and there's Razor Wind shorts, which is Horde.
And these zones are going to have different biomes, basically
different areas from my perspective.
And it does seem like they're focusing a lot on giving us
information from Founders point, which as the alliance one is I,
you know, I primarily played alliance when I was playing
through the intro quest. So I know those areas a lot
better. And it's feeling very familiar.
So they're saying things like, you know, there's some that are
going to be the creepy forest, which feels very dusk wood or
the, you know, rolling, rolling farmland, which, you know, is
the Westfall. I can't believe I almost forgot
that name. So but but in these
neighborhoods, you're going to get these flavors of the
different potential like vibes of the core Horden Alliance.
And I will admit now that it's it's more the the humans than
the orcs, but that's OK, whatever in these neighborhoods.
So like I said, you get these biomes and everyone is going to
be able to get a plot. And the plots are meant to be
big because the point is the UI, you and your neighbors aren't
kind of running into each other, right?
So if one person has a beautiful, the example they give
is if somebody has a beautiful hedge, hedge mates, they don't
want that to be running into somebody elses old growth trees,
right? They want you to be able to feel
like your space is unique and you're not fighting with your
friends about like, Oh no, but this isn't the vibe that I
wanted for my house. This is ruining the energy.
You also can choose whether you're going to be in the centre
of the city, right? Like right in the action, or in
like a small little neighborhood or in a hermit place my my
entire Guild within 3 minutes. Like we want the hermit spaces,
so we might fight over that a little more than you'd expect.
But you will have the central hub, it'll have NPCS, it'll have
fun opportunities to engage with the neighborhood as a whole,
which they get to at the bottom. So I'll try to stick kind of
with the way that the the article flows itself, but I'm
very excited about that while still getting to maintain the
energy that you have, right? What you're looking to do with
these plots if you move or if you get evicted.
So for example, you can either be in a public neighborhood or
you're in a private neighborhood, which is a Guild
or like a a group that that picks together.
And if you, for example, get kicked out of the Guild, you
leave, right? You're no longer in the Guild
neighborhood. Basically your plot like packs
up and like goes with you. So it's not like if you decide
that you hate your public neighborhood or you and your
Guild stop vibing and you have to move.
You have to start all over, right?
Your house is kind of going to hoop and then you go and you
find a new place and it's back down.
OK, I like that. I like that.
I don't know that. I love that the thing from real
world homeowning that we chose to keep in Warcraft is
evictions. But I do do like that I just my
house just tell. I feel like I'm that garbage
lady from Labyrinth and my house is just on my back and it just
goes where I go. I don't know if my Labyrinth
might be too old for you. Too old.
And also I'm just boring. Like you could name one of the
most like famous movies of this decade and I'd be like.
Is that the one? With Liam Neeson.
All right, well, the other boomers that listen to the show,
they'll get that reference. And now they're all singing Babe
with the power in their heads as we go through some more housing
stuff. You're welcome, everybody.
Yeah, no, it's, I do know that. I do know that from the memes
that was on Tech Talk so I know it.
Oh, good, good. I'm glad I nailed the tick tock.
Yeah. Yeah, all the the youths get it.
The youths get it. You, you, you're communicating
well to them. OK, all right, so we can get
evicted if we get kicked out of the Guild.
Yes, or if you. Piss off your.
Your charter neighborhood, right?
So I kind of threw this in without a ton of background
information, but you do have either the public neighborhoods
which are just anyone buys a house, you just kind of randomly
got assigned. They said there's not going to
be a risk of running out every time a neighborhood fills up,
which is going to be about 50 people.
It'll just start a new neighborhood.
So you don't have to worry about, for example, I know in
Final Fantasy there's a lot of difficulty get like it's kind of
complicated to get a house. So in world work, if you don't
have to deal with that, if you want a house to get a house.
And it seems they haven't mentioned anything about unless
I'm missing something, they I don't think they mentioned
anything about buying it. So I think you just get it.
You just walk in house. Congratulations, player housing.
You're a player. You have housing.
God, if only the world ran like that.
Yeah, you're a human. You get a house.
Yeah. That doesn't sound very
deserving. You imagine.
Yeah, everyone gets. Out just to live.
In like, come on, that's not going to yeah.
So they also have private neighborhoods that's either a
Guild, which is kind of self-explanatory.
If you're in a Guild, you get to be in the Guild neighborhood or
a charter neighborhood, which is basically when you as a group,
just like you, you set up a group of people that aren't
necessarily a Guild. So for example, our raid team
actually runs with a lot of people that aren't in our Guild
either because they have secondary raid team since we're
only A1 raid night a week team. Or if like they'd have groups of
friends they wanted to stick with, but they realized that we
were a really good community for rating.
So we're not certain if you're in the Timberma Tavern.
This is not me making an announcement, but we're probably
going to go charter right? Just so that we can loop people
in. How do we apply for the
confirmed Timberma Tavern charter neighborhood?
Well, you can go to bit dot LY slash fast discord and then you
can find me and then we can chat about whether or not, you know
you'd be a good fit for the team and whether we want to hang out
and how you'd have you'd have played with Guild.
Perfect, perfect. Are you the recruiting officer?
We all kind of do everything together except for Luke does
like all of the strats. That's that's the man man.
Actually, Luke does most of the things.
Luke, if you're listening like he, we all do hard work, but we
had a. Little.
Yeah, we had a little panic moment when he was having a
baby. We're like, oh geez, but we're
all good. All right, Luke's having a baby.
We're going to What if we did every boss blind to this tear?
That's. Actually faces me.
What happened? I think that would be fun.
Does anybody else think that would be fun?
In my defense, in our defense, it is fun.
It's very fun. And I really cannot stress
enough that if you want to do blind normal, it's the best time
you're going to have in your life.
I strongly recommend it, but so in the the one major difference
between the Guild and the charter neighborhoods is that
Guild neighborhoods everyone gets a house.
So if you had a Guild of like 50,000 people, I think there
actually might be Guild maxes. But let's say hypothetically you
had a Guild of 50,000 people. Hypothetically there would be
50,000 houses in your neighborhood.
Would be instances of 50, like groups of 50.
So let's say our Guild is 100. Is there a server?
Is there a Guild instance of 50 and then a second Guild instance
of 50? And do we have to choose who
lives in town A and town B? And what if there's only?
What if there's only 52 people in the Guild?
Is there a fifty person zone and then two person zone?
These are all really good questions.
And I actually was about to say that it was actually I didn't
even think that through and for in in my head, I thought that it
was there was one big neighborhood, but it's not.
You're actually right. It's going to be instanced.
So it'll they'll be multiple different attached groups.
They did say that these are plots of roughly 50 the, the
neighborhoods of roughly 50 plots.
So I think they have some degree of control over how like, like
they they for example, I bet that there's a trigger number of
like if you have 51 people in your Guild, for example, it's
going to just expand to 51. But if you have like 56 then
it'll go to oh God I have to do mental math really quickly. 2 of
2627? Yeah. 2 of 2828 it'll be 28.
That bad? We counted.
There one at. A.
Time. Yeah, chat definitely didn't
give us the answer. How rude I I can do mental math
it's not what I'm actually talking.
Also that's that was a lie. I just lied to you guys on for
as well. I'm sorry.
They know you lied, but they just heard us count from 26 to
28 to figure what was half of 56.
They know you lied, Lex. Okay, I'd like to believe I
could have done that mental math if I was not actively speaking
at the moment, but I'm also famously stupid.
We do language here. We're languagers.
Yeah, that's our thing. That's true.
That's why. That's why Manny has to edit it
out every episode. That's right.
My mom's a librarian.
Lex's parents are all copywriters.
It's like this is how it works. This.
Is a professor. Yeah, whatever.
Yeah, that's basically, honestly, basically the same.
Yeah. So charters do just have a
maximum number of plots. So you can't just expand your
charter at nauseam, nauseam. We're moving on.
Yeah. OK, so we don't know.
Some of you may have to live alone.
Yeah, you might just have to, which, frankly, if you wanted
the hermit house, you got to pick any house.
You want that like nobody's going to fight over it.
You could just get every single house.
You can move every week. It doesn't matter if you don't
have to rebuild anything. It's just, I actually don't
think that's true. I don't think you can move
within a neighborhood. You can move between
neighborhoods, but you can't just pop around a.
Lot every day. Yeah, alas.
Can I just live in a somebody else's house?
Can I squat? So that's a really good
question. You can actually set for your
own houses rules for who can and cannot enter which spaces and
when they can and cannot enter spaces.
So you could like if, for example, I didn't set any rules
on my house and anyone could come in, Yeah, you could totally
squat in my house, no worries, no fuss.
And frankly, Sean, you're well, if you need, if you need a place
to squat, you're always welcome. You know that.
Well I'm going to be Airbnb being my house so I'm going to
need somewhere to stay while I while I Airbnb my house.
Oh Lord, my little Vermont heart heart is crying right now.
We're already ruining the economy.
I just thought of, I just thought of a banger tweet I'm
going to send after the show I'm so excited for.
You well, and if you but if you want to go on a trip, you just
up with me. Yeah, exactly.
You just, you know you Baba Baba Yaga.
Have you played the a closed alpha version of housing?
Is that the actual sound when you lift your house up?
No, but I, I think it should be FAS Dev, this is I, I never ask
you for anything. The others ask you for things,
but I don't ask you for anything.
When I pick up my house, I wanted to go and then when I put
it down, I want to go. Boo.
If there's one thing you can do, I.
Know you? There's one person.
Yeah, yeah. Let's make this happen, OK?
So I can limit who can come in and when they can come in.
So it's nice I can set it up for public for people to come in
when they want. OK, I did this.
So far we haven't hit the part where I have my big question
yet. I'm waiting to see.
I don't think it's going to come up though, but let's keep going.
OK, so this is. Really a big question.
Super excited about it. So one thing that they've said
is that they want, they don't want to replicate the garrisons,
right? They want the neighborhood to
feel alive and energetic and exciting.
So they're putting in this system called endeavours.
These are activities that the entire neighborhood contributes
to. They're going to occur
approximately once a month and it's it's not just one thing,
right. So they say this could be
crafting, gathering, questing, dungeons and raids.
These are things that you are going to be completing and and
completing tasks to build your neighborhood and also to build
your own wealth basically. So endeavors are going to be
seen. If you're in a private
neighborhood, you get to pick which endeavour it is unless
there's a an event going on in the world as a whole that kind
of forces in an endeavour. So my guess is, for example, the
major holidays are going to have specific endeavours and things
like that in public neighborhoods.
The game picks for you and then you do these things that it's
going to change the way that the neighborhood as a whole looks.
And it's also going to give you currency that you can buy
endeavour specific decor from the the, the there's going to be
an endeavor vendor. Basically, she can go in and use
your endeavor money to buy endeavor decor and be like, Oh,
I really, I like the fire thing. So I'm buying the fire curtains
or whatever. One thing, I don't know that
they meant to slide this. I mean, they probably didn't
mean to slide this in. They gave us a screen grab of
the house dash because the other thing is it makes us you can
level up your house, right? And you can change different
things. So they gave us a screen grab of
the house dashboard in while talking about endeavors to show
you like, oh, the ways that the different endeavors.
It looks very much like a renowned track, right?
And contributing to the endeavour helps that.
One thing that I noticed is that it looks like you're renowned.
Basically like your house level determines how much decor you
can have. Oh, increased decor limit.
Yeah. I don't know if that's set in
stone or if that's something they threw in as a like here's
something we might think, but that was very interesting to me,
that if you don't have a leveled up enough house, you might not
be able to put in as many pieces as you wanted to.
And you need to grind up your house basically to be able to
decorate it the way you wanted. To so we will immediately know
who the renowned Pavos are. Yeah, well, and that's also, as
I'm saying this, I'm thinking that's also very interesting
because they were talking about things like the people making
fancy spice racks by taking little, you know, bottles and
shrinking them down. And I don't know how they're
going to count decor. So like.
For example. That might be impossible and I
want to be so clear. We're making high speculations
on a screen grab in a like intro to like making things up sort of
situation. So TBD, if this is actually how
this is going to work, who knows how they're going to calculate
anything. Maybe child staff is going to be
hearing this and it's like, Oh no, you're so right.
That's a terrible idea. But it is.
I think I do think that'll be fun though, right?
Like the more you contribute to your neighborhood and the
endeavors and the house in general, the cooler your house
is. So you walk into somebody's
house and you're like, oh, this person you know, is helping out
their team. They're doing the good work.
I I would like if my house just has to exist in the neighborhood
for me to get credit. I don't want to have to actually
do the endeavour. You, that's very you.
So you get more favour based on how much work you do.
But my understanding is that you will be getting like everyone.
Everyone gets some rewards and the people who contribute a lot
get more rewards is how I'm reading this article.
And I'm also realizing that I misspoke because I misread this
article. At first I was saying that
endeavours are specific to like crafting, gathering, questing,
but that's not correct. The tasks within the endeavours
run all the gameplay. So if you are for example a big
dungeon runner, you could do the dungeon tasks and help out
there. If you're more of a gatherer,
you can do the gathering tasks. So everyone should be able to
contribute in the to the endeavour in a way that's
exciting and fun to them without feeling kind of strong armed
into doing a certain type type of content.
OK, I feel less concerned that I will be the house on the block
that everybody goes, oh, that's Sean's house.
He doesn't do the endeavors. No, no, no, it'll yeah, it it
should be easy to contribute or like exciting to contribute to
and this the amount like the difficulty of the endeavour
basically will scale based on activity.
So if your Guild is really not super active and doesn't really
engage with the endeavors a lot, there will be fewer tasks.
So it'll be easier to complete an endeavour versus the Guild
that's constantly on it and like grinding and ready to go.
You don't have to worry about like, oh, I log in day two of
the endeavour and there's no tasks left because we ran out.
Like that will also scale it. It'll be harder and the more
things for you to do to complete the endeavour.
I like that there sounds like they're putting a lot of thought
into this. I haven't heard any addressing
yet of my main concern. Go crazy.
Lex, yes, I we obviously play NA and EU, but we'll specifically
focus on my NA accounts or account.
I'm in a Guild of full of people that I adore.
I have a friend group of people who are not in my Guild who I
adore and then I have for Azeroth who is also people that
I adore and that I spend time with.
Am I allowed to be part of three neighborhoods or do I have to
choose my favorite? Am I now and is Sophie's Choice
of where I live for reference? I've never seen that movie so I
don't know if this is what it's about.
I assume it's about a woman named Sophie who has to purchase
a home. Yeah, I I also haven't.
So that really tracks. And she has a baby, so she it's
for like the homes for the baby is my understanding.
Right. You got to make sure you're in a
good neighborhood. The schools are good.
Yeah, yeah. It's tough.
There's so many stats you need to read on Zillow.
It's tricky. So my understanding, and don't
quote me on this, but this is how it's been explained to me,
is that you will get one house. So you do have one in one
neighborhood. And they say something about
like your neighbors are permanently like how these yeah,
neighborhoods are supposed to exist basically forever.
So who you live with will be your neighbor until you either
move, get kicked out, or die. Am I allowed to have a Horde
house and an Alliance house or do I just get one?
I get one house my. Understanding is you get one
because it's war bound. It's war band bound is the one I
was looking for. So that I know has been a lot of
people's frustration And I, I think it's sort of the the win
and the loss of everyone who logs in gets a house, right, is
that they are based on like you can't, you can't.
Like, for example, if if you buy houses, it's easier for the game
to say, well, there's a limited number of houses, but as much
money as you have. I'm also being told by our chat
that I might be wrong about that and it might actually be
factioned and you might be able to have one Alliance, one Horde.
I don't. I thought that wasn't.
We'll find out. Nobody knows.
Nobody knows I'm Somebody just knows somebody's going to like
post a Blue Post and be like, Lex, why did you talk about this
if you didn't even know the very basic information we've had for
months? Yeah.
So they're going to come into the Discord and be like, first
of all, yeah, that is not what Sophie's Choice is about.
Second of all, Lex, that is not how Housing Works.
Yeah, yeah. And third of all, I'm not
pointing too much however, and you guys don't read your damn
you. Really turned me off the
opportunity to blind frog all of these bosses on normal.
OK, housing sounds exciting. Lex, are you?
I'm not. I say it's I say it sounds
exciting because I'm certain there are people for whom it
sounds exciting. I am not one of them.
I put housing on the level of approximately delves for my
excitement is it'll be a thing I engage with when I need to and
that's about it. Alexa, are you are you excited
for housing? I am I'm excited for housing now
that I know that how the neighborhood is going to work.
My so as some of you know, I play Final Fantasy with my
parents as a way to just hang out and chat because Final
Fantasy online specifically, not just, you know, the Final
Fantasy 1 specifically because they didn't want to play World
of Warcraft for me because I thought I was too good.
And I was like even the youngest my whole life.
Why don't I get to be good at something?
But whatever. But basically all of this is to
say my family just bought a house and they're having, my
parents are having so much fun with this, like decorating the
house. Every time I log in, they're
like, oh, Lex, you gotta go check it out.
You gotta go check it out. Like we put in a bed, we put in
a spice rack, we put in this, we put in that.
So first of all, I've kind of seen first hand that it actually
can be more fun than I was initially expecting.
But frankly, I'm more excited about the fact this will be a
fun thing to do with the Guild, right?
And also it feels, it seems like it's probably going to be
relatively low pressure. I'm a little bit nervous that
endeavours, depending on how they scale, I can't imagine a
world where they're like, when we were playing Rumble as a
team, sometimes there would be a little bit of like, hey guys,
nobody's logging in and this sucks a little bit.
We should hope we should cancel Rumble.
Yeah, Can you imagine? We got it kicked out entirely.
Way to go. Timbermont Tavern.
Yeah, yeah. Way to go.
Blame us so you can join bit dot LY fast discord and log.
And just to tell me, because Timbermont Tavern independently
determined that Rumble would be cancelled?
Not really we. Sunset it.
It's put in maintenance mode. That's what they call it.
They put it in maintenance mode. Yeah, they're putting it in.
If you fire all the devs, you can't continue to make the game
mode. Yeah.
I don't know what you thought you were going to do when you
were struggling with bugs and you laid off 2/3 the team mode.
Crazy that that didn't work out for them.
I don't know what's going on there.
OK, So Lex is excited for housing, Sean is somewhere in
the middle. We're going to assume man is
excited for it because no reason.
I just assume Manny's. I think there's Manny's going to
be great at this because he's a collector, so he's going to have
the coolest little house and he's going to have all the
little things. Manny used to get mad at me for
AFK ING the weekly events like the Super bloom.
He's going to hate when I roll into my 4 level house because I
refuse to dealt with the endeavor I needed so much.
Lex, Speaking of things that I don't do very well, great segue.
We're going to go with Delves Delves in season 3.
I have some exciting news for you as a delver.
I think you're going to like this a lot.
So it's one known fact that a lot of classes, not a lot, but a
few classes, few specs particular, where delve trinkets
were considered their best to slot Delve trinkets really
strong and there was no deterministic way to get a delve
drink it. You couldn't even really farm
them, like target farm them because delves themselves are
capped or bountifuls are capped. And not only that, everything in
the delve loot table can drop in a delve.
So it's a huge, huge list. But in season 3 as of right now
on the PTR, when you get to the third stage of your delve
version journey, a character named Zalran will appear.
And this is for Tier 9 delves and above.
At the end of the delve, he appears and he said he's a
vendor who sells all available Delve trinkets at Champion Track
one of a champion for 2000 under coins.
Lex, how hyped are you to be able to purchase your Delve
trinkets? That's so.
Fun. I love this.
I love that the gearing through delves is going to be a little
bit easier. I am curious about the decision
to make it trinket only because it does feel like like the gear
that's the most desired is kind of seasonal, right?
So like this season, the gear that was most desired was
necklaces. But I guess I'm I'm guessing is
that the logic is that trinkets are Bis in a really exciting
way. Like everything else is mostly
just numbers are getting higher and trinkets are like do fancy
cool little things that change your gameplay pretty
fundamentally. So while you might not be losing
your whole mind if you don't get your Bis weapon, not getting
your Bis trinket is a bigger deal.
So I kind of talked myself into why it's going to stay trenches
by the end of this conversation. Yeah, I think this is cool.
I think that making Delves a little bit easier to gear
through is always going to be a win.
Since I think one of the things that I've heard a lot of people
say is Delves kind of like are like mostly mostly the
excitement from them is that it's an easy way to gear, right?
Like it's a way to get gear that doesn't require the work of
building a team and having that mythic plus team or getting, you
know, beefed in pugs. So I think this is really cool.
And frankly, I, I kind of feel like I should, OK, actually this
is maybe 1/2 baked take. So talk me out of this.
Probably. I sort of feel like I should be
able to in any run be like, like whether I'm doing dungeons or
raids or or a delves, I should be able to kind of pick and
choose what I get. I'd kind of rather be getting a
flat currency. Have we talked about this a
million times? And every time we kind of land
on different I, I can imagine a world where it would be fun to
be getting a flat currency per run that I used to buy certain
gear based on what I need versus random drops.
Does that make sense? It does to me, So what you're
suggesting makes sense, but I think it it it calls for a
fundamental shift in how they handle gear.
I think if you're giving currency to purchase items, you
can't also have the random drop in the dungeon and then now
you're negatively punishing people who don't have as much
time. So anybody who can't just grind
out Max currency because you would have to have a cap on the
currency per week so that you can't buy 2 like this would
significantly slow down the gearing curve.
You wouldn't be able to just firm out Max gear, I don't think
if they capped the currency and I think they have to cap the
currency because otherwise you're just going to farm out
and buy Max gear in a week. It's going to create some
degenerate, really degenerate gameplay.
I was actually thinking as you were reacting about the, the
delve trinkets. I was thinking, would I want
this from Mythic plus trinkets? And I think because you can sort
of target farm mythic plus and like, OK, I need this trinket
from this dungeon and the, the, the loot list is generally
smaller than a delve. I think having I love
deterministic ways to get loot. I think that's great, But I
think just straight up having a currency for everything takes
away some of that dopamine of getting the thing, you know the.
Other thing that I was thinking of, as you were saying that is
especially in Mythic Plus, I think it would drastically
reduce the diversity of dungeons that are run because it would
kind of remove the desire to do more like how multiple people
have multiple different businesses and multiple
different dungeons. So it's not going to be that
hard to find people interested in running your dungeons.
We would just spam run the easiest to build up our bank
account and then go buy what we needed.
Yeah, right. Yeah, I think it's a bad idea
for dungeons. I take it back.
That makes sense for Delves because nobody's playing those.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you do have to get all the
way up to Dover's Journey Rank 3.
So it's not like you just log in and you get this.
You do have to work for it. And once you've proven you've
put in the work, then it's like, OK, we'll give you a couple
trinkets. You want a couple trinkets.
Yeah, is rank 3 hard to get to? I honestly have not paid
attention to my developers journey, I just do them for fun
and gear so I don't know off the top of my head.
I feel like it's not very free of anything.
It's not usually that. Super easy, barely an
inconvenience. I will say, and maybe this is
less exciting to you and I'm, I'm really focusing on the
visual elements that our viewers can't see, but if you look at
the screen grab of the ran, he's a very different looking
ethereal than I'm used to. Oh, have you not you?
Have you not spent much time on the PTR?
Zero time on the PTR. This is a super common look.
They've like sort of redone all the ethereals and they look
awesome. So if you want to see this
tweet, this is in our Discord, but it's also on Twitter.
It was tweeted out by Lazy at PATF 0RD at Patford, but it was
retweeted by Mr. GM, which is somebody you're probably already
following. I think he's Mr. GM YT.
So it's definitely they look super cool.
The ethereals this patch look really, really nice.
It is different from what we're used to.
And yeah, that visual is is really nice.
Yeah, no, OK, this is exciting and I'm very, I'm very excited
about this next patch, especially since I've been
playing it on my floor couch. Yeah.
You're going to have a great time on the floor with Raya in
this patch. Oh yeah.
Speaking of places you can have a great time on the floor, Lex,
have you heard about China? Now this isn't in our show
notes, so Lex is giving you. For those of you at home, Lex is
giving me a confused look because we have a very strict
set of items we're supposed to talk about on this show where
that Manny isn't here for, and I'm mixing it up.
Nobody could have seen coming. You put Lex and Sean alone
without Manny to keep them directed like and we think that
they're going to anyway. Yes, I've I've heard of China.
You've heard of China? I believe it's.
About China, I don't I, I don't think it is.
OK, they are getting. So because of the they didn't
have the deal when Wow's 20th anniversary happened, their deal
with Eddie's was still not yet restarted.
They didn't get the 20th anniversary the rest of us got.
So now to celebrate Wow's China's 20th anniversary, I'm
going to send you a link to this tweet so that you know what I'm
talking about. Yeah, it turns out.
If you search, yeah, sorry, continue.
If you just just search China and anniversary, it'll come up
for legal reasons. That was a joke.
Do not search that. So coming this November, they're
getting a brand new Classic experience and they're getting a
Titan Forged Realm called Time. Coming this November.
Titan Forged Realms combine all the contents from Classic, The
Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Listing expansions, but with A
twist. All the raids from the three.
Those 3 expansions are reworked into level 80 end game content
released in a shuffled order. As a player, you can face the
Lich King wielding Thunder Fury or Crip warglades to fight
Kelvin Azad and Max Ramis. Key features include permanent
level 80 progression, unified raid sizes across all tiers,
adjusted gear stats for older and lower tier raids, T3 sets
restructured by spec, and Season of Discovery style, item design
and tuning. Consider this as China's own
Wrath Era Plus server. The Titan Reforge server will be
China exclusive and Blizzard may want to test the waters in China
1st and consider a global roll out depending on the community
feedback. How awesome does this sound?
Yeah, so I'm selling my house because I'm moving to China if
anyone wants a house. Anyone wants a house?
This is really cool and this sounds really fun and I'm OK.
This is not a gameplay that I engage in, so I'm probably going
to torture what I'm about to explain.
But I know my friends who are really into time walking were
feeling really disappointed recently because Blizzard is
kind of, it used to be that one of the joys of time walking was
sort of smashing together pieces of gear from different
expansions and doing broken things because you can have your
Heart of Azeroth with your back and you're all this crazy stuff
going on. And Blizzard recently kind of
killed that. And then so that you couldn't
really play crazy like that. And that was really
disappointing to my friends who did time walking because that
was a lot of the joy, right? Was like building together a
ridiculous little set of pieces from a billion eras and having
it be cool. And it sounds to me like they're
potentially playing with bringing that back, right?
Is that how you would also read the adjusted gear stats?
Yeah, it sounds like that they're they're creating.
I don't, I don't know if they're bringing back time walk, but it
sounds like they're creating their own like perfect version
of classic where all of the best parts of Wow, cause Wow peaked
up in Wow of the Lich King, both in viewers and in storytelling.
That is completely subject. Didn't dragonfly surpass?
We haven't been given actual player numbers since like I
think Cataclysm was when they stopped giving actual player
numbers. Dragonflight was the coolest.
They did show a graph and it did have Dragonflight on it.
I don't know but we can look it up.
Also I'm a I'm a boomer Lex who has far too much of his
personality tied to the Frozen throne and the characters from
that story. So please let me have this.
Oh yeah, It's like, listen, I still, I was like a child and I
still get heavy nostalgia whenever anything comes around.
Right, but it sounds like super awesome Lex right now is looking
up how well Dragonflight it was wad when we stopped getting
actual numbers. Special shout out to Johnny in
the chat hitting us with that nug, that nugget of knowledge.
I'm excited. I hope this does well in China.
China has a huge player base and I think they love Wrath of the
Lich King over there. So my hope is that it does well,
they enjoy it, and it makes a roll out to NA.
I've not really done much classic so I don't know for sure
that I would play it, but I would be much more likely to
attempt a classic version that rolled the three my three
favorite expansions together than I would be to to try the
piece meal samples we've had so far.
Yeah, I am not a classic girly and I will like I've tried it
enough times to know that I'm far too lazy to to do classic.
Sorry. I'm trying to find these numbers
and the. Page, I was worried that when
you moved to the new house that we would have lost Lex in the
sun. Moments like we have right now.
For those of you in the live chat, you can see that Lex is
staring directly into the sun well as she tries to get the
numbers from Dragonflight to see if they're on power with Rachel
Ishkin. Wow, Lex does that.
Let me tell you about the next item that's coming down the pipe
that may or may not be very exciting for you.
Have I stalled long enough for numbers?
Oh. Yeah, the the the slides that
they showed us were only Legion onward.
Well, we'll just have to assume you were right, like I am often.
Wrong. No, I like The thing is, and to
be fair as a child, but I remember, I remember playing
during Wrath and like just everything was alive in a way
that it isn't right now. Like which is not to say that
there isn't a part of that is because everything is planned on
discord and things like that. But I just, I, I.
It is hard for me to believe that there are as many players
in World of Warcraft right now as there were during Wrath, just
having played both of them. But I'm sorry, I don't think
there is. It's OK.
I'm going to throw this next one to you, Lex.
What's happening to my bank? Yeah, it's different.
And Manny can if Manny was here, Manny could speak to the fact
that I probably was not the person to toss this to because I
if you look at my bags and you look at my bank, I open that
thing maybe once every five years.
Like I do not remember the last time I put anything into my
bank. And it was it was good with with
stream because occasionally people would yell at me because
I would open my bags and they'd be like, why do you only have 5
slots? Oh, right.
It's because you're still holding on to things from three
expansions ago. Go put that in your banks.
And they bully me enough to actually do that.
But yeah, so basically they're they're changing the banks so
that your character's bank is going to use the same setup as
the war band bank. So you're going to have
different tabs. Each of the tab has has
different settings that you can set.
You can purchase them for money, for gold, actually, I mean, or
human money that you transfer to gold, but whatever.
Each tab is going to have 98 slots.
We're no longer doing the reagent bank.
They say that any bank tab can now serve as a reagent tab,
which is I think, stressful because wasn't the reagent tab
like big or something? Do you use the reagent tab,
Sean? Oh yes, yes, I'm familiar with
the reagent tab where my reagents go in my bank, and I
too am concerned now that my reagents will be spread Willy
nilly throughout all of my tabs. So it does, but I think you can.
Categorize the tabs to only hold certain things.
That is what they it sounds like that the tabs are going to have
different settings and you can make one of them a reagent tab.
It's just the no, you no longer get a free reagent tab that
everyone which it's free, right Sean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think anybody believed
that? I was familiar with the reagent
tab? Oh.
Were you not I also never. I also never got words.
I, I, I, I see. OK.
I thought I was being mocked. I thought that was going on here
was, you were like, yeah, Lex, like, which I guess is probably
the point. So you did a great job.
You, you really, you really pulled it off until this moment.
I nailed. It, dude, so they're also doing
that with void storage, which do you know what void storage is,
Sean? So I didn't play.
I, I, I honestly wouldn't have known, but somebody explained it
to me talking about this article.
I guess there was like a weird void bank that you could use.
You could store things and it was like up to 100 items and it
existed outside of your bank and could only be accessed by going
to visit an ethereal and then going into your void storage to
get the stuff out of there. Is what I understood as
apparently everybody who played when void storage was introduced
jammed it full of things immediately because the Internet
is a tizzy at the thought that they're losing their void
storage. But so void storage range a
bank? This sounds like a bank.
I don't know. And I don't use the bank because
it sucks. I like to think of it as an
offshore bank. So it's like, right.
It's where I put the things that I don't want the Bank of
Stormwind to know about that I have, like my bootleg copy of
Thunder Fury, Blessed Blade of the Windsicker.
OK, OK. OK.
That actually does make sense. So it's like, does it like
shrink things or something? I don't know.
I have no idea, our chat is going nuts right now that I
refuse to look because I'm having way more fun getting this
wrong. I learned something many many
years ago in when doing videos is that if you intentionally get
something wrong, people will race to their keyboards to
correct you. But if you get everything right,
nobody writes a single word. This is legitimately one of the
things that like made TikTok before I stopped really going on
it. Enraging to me is once you
realize that you can tell how often people will very obviously
purposely put errors in their videos or in their captions or
like like the most obvious errors I can think of and the
comments they're blowing up and they're viral because comments
they're just like, hey, you put a blue one with the black one
there's a blue bead over there. Hey, there's a blue bead in here
to see who saw the blue bead like it's absurd.
You you can game that system and many people have figured that
out and it is it is burning content online, but.
That's what I'm not going to check the chat to get any
corrections. We're just going to keep
assuming we're right. So the void storage is going
away, The reagent bank is going away.
Community manager Kyvax in his blue post says, hey, don't worry
about it. We're going to transition
everything from both of those spots into your regular bank.
I adore Kyvax, he is one of my favorite human beings.
Take anything that you are concerned about losing from your
void storage bank or your reagent bank and put it in your
bags because there will 100% be items lost in this transfer.
It happened when they flew, when they turned on, they changed the
Guild banks or something, or they turn on the war band
system. People lost things forever.
And that's why I keep all of my stuff in my bags.
It's not because I forget that the bank exists except for once
every five years. It's because I don't want to
lose any of it. It's very important.
Like my Heart of Azeroth. I can't leave that.
That's literally the Heart of Azeroth.
You need that you got to they need they need these baskets
back. That being said, that's a
Canadian reference. Only Canadians are going to get
that reference. I just made your welcome.
James Naismith OK, so Manny would have laughed at that.
The the bank storage, everybody, if you're worried about oh man,
they're taking away my sweet void storage and my reagent
bank. There was a user who who ran the
numbers for US. Current Max bag size is 36.
The default bank size is 28. The number of bag slots for a
bank is 7. So your current Max storage size
is 280 for your bank, 98 for reagents, and 160 for the void.
Oh man, they're correcting me. Which gives us 538 total.
The new Max bank size is 588 slots.
Here's my question. Oh, it does say that they're
going to be unlocked. I don't have a question.
The six tabs can be purchased costing 1 gold.
For the first tab, 100 gold for the second tab, 500 gold, then
1000 gold, then 2500 gold, then 5000 gold.
So for what is that 10,000 ish gold?
You'll be able to. We're good at math here.
You'll be able to have all the slots unlocked which is way
cheaper than the war band slots where the last one cost 2.5 mil
so that's not too bad. Lex, is there anything in your?
I don't even think there's anything in my void storage.
Is there anything you're going to be like?
I need to take this out of my void storage and make sure it
stays safe. I will 1st, I'm going to go
figure out what void storage is. I actually probably, I probably
really should go through my bags because once every five years I
put the things that I most feel most important that I hold on to
in those bags. And so there probably actually
is something cool in there, or I'm gonna open it up and be
like, why did I think this is cool?
OK. All right.
OK dude, I I back in my RP days before I really understood
mogging because I'm very stupid and bad at everything and also
because I was playing a hunter but I wanted like pretty dresses
and stuff. I would put a ton of clothes in
there. So there actually probably is a
lot of clothes in there. Nice.
Chad is kind of on fire, on fire tonight.
One of the most like, I don't even think he knows what we
agents are. And I is that is that not?
Is that not correct? No, it's not.
No, it's not correct. And it's so void storage was
only for unique soul bound items and multi says that you would
keep your transmog in there before they made transmog.
Yeah, so or Johnny JTP basically.
What I do with my current, what I did with my current bags
because nobody told me to go find the trans mog person.
And everyone was talking about the trans mog and I don't know
what that meant. I thought that meant they had
cool little outfits. And my best friend at the time
just did archaic things for fun because he thought it was fun.
And so I was like, I just collect my outfits in my bank.
And he was like, I do that too. And I was like sick.
I guess this is what we all do. That's where we keep outfits
now. So your voice storage is going
away. Get your stuff out.
You've been warned. This episode is airing long
before it happens, Dan. Mr. GM said on the stream today
that it actually looked like the bank change was supposed to
happen in 12.0, and it seems like they've pushed it up to 11
point 1.7, which I think it's really good, right?
It means they're ahead, they're ahead of schedule and things.
I'd like to believe that that's that sounds good.
My the the panic in me is like, or they're low on content and
they're doing the easier ones to fix early.
But I love to be a hater. Also, yeah, I'm I'm interrupting
in the middle of a conversation where this isn't relevant, but I
finally found the answer. I was wrong.
You do get a horde house and a Lion's house.
Meaning if you want to like drop this and put this in the part
where I'm talking about the houses or even in the cold open,
just be like open with Lexi. Raiders are going to be running
dungeons, probably the new one equal to Maldoni at the at the
games.com event. Maybe it'll be like a land
style. That'd be cool to have them on
on location running those dungeons.
I'm very excited for it. And then they're going to have
hands on player housing and we're getting all kinds of stuff
like a live weekly reset with Teleus and Never tell.
Mister GM is doing a fireside chat on stage with Ian has
Acosta very excited. Lex, what's in the sky?
And that image, you tell me what is give me your Lex, your Lex
prediction on what that is in this guy.
I I think we're pretty sat on it being Silver Moon.
Like everything is lining up It We, it was very cute because in
the Discord we were like analyzing the shape of the thing
in the background. And then a Wowhead article came
out and they were like, and you can tell it's Silver Moon
because if you look at the bottom, it's Silver Moon.
And I'm like, oh, yeah, OK, yeah, that's true.
We were looking at this fire and that was actually not the
biggest hit. Yeah, I saw one tweet that I
thought was the best and it was a crab and it was like a purple
crab dancing on the beach. And it was like, it's obviously
this, I think. It should be that.
I think it should be that. Are we allowed to share our
guesses for how Midnights is going to go, or is that too
spoilery? I don't think that's too
spoiler. What do you like?
Are we talking about spoiling the end of the raid?
Because I think I know how the end of the raid.
In the end of the raid. OK, you predict because I have
read synopsis of what happens at the end of the ring 0.
Sick. Well, then you can tell me.
You probably can't tell me if I'm wrong.
No, I guess I. Won't tell you on the air.
I won't. I'll make a facial expression so
that the viewers watching know whether or not you nailed it and
if you're listening, I won't say anything.
And you're. Feeling disappointed that you
can't see Sean's face facial expression.
What you can do is you can go to bit dot LY slash fast discord.
Clearly I feel like we don't wrap the discord enough on this
show. So my guess is that we're going
to go fight Demensius. And as we are seeking to destroy
Demensius, Valtath is going to swing out and be like, you fool,
you fell into my trap. And she's going to kind of latch
on to whatever spell Demensius was using to take over and
consume Azeroth, and she's going to instead become the one who
fixed up Azeroth. I realize that we're probably
not going to swears edit out and that's going to plunge us into
midnight because she kind of knew and and was the evil woman
we were expecting her to be. That is a prediction.
Why don't you, why don't you let us know what you think happens
at the end of the ring? I don't want to say I don't want
to be like, oh, Lex, you almost nailed it.
But you know, like that's a flex made a protection.
That was a protection. Yeah.
I don't want to say anything because I've read things that
I'm pretty sure are confirmed spoilers and I don't want to
ruin it for other people who Devin who go to the way to avoid
that. But I think that would be really
cool if we lost against the Mencius in that last fight.
I think that will be awesome. Have like sort of an Empire
Strikes Back feel to the end of the War Within.
Yeah, we we fail. We're failing.
Yeah, well, but see, my, my prediction specifically is that
we don't fail against Menci as we fail against Zali.
I think Zali can take over Zali Taff.
Yeah, I still have the same issue.
I don't know if we talked to bro in the air last week, We talked
about the story on the air last week.
Yeah, My player, my concern, my issue with the player agency.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's still definitely,
yeah, I still have that issue. And that bothers me.
I, I, I, I think Zalitath betraying us, quote UN quote,
betraying us and proving to be everything that Alaria and all
of the players know she is makes it even more jarring that I
can't make the choice to not work with her.
It's like you when the leopard face eating leopard party.
I don't know how that quote goes, but it's something bad and
people believe it and your face is eaten.
Yeah, that's the woman. Who voted for the Leopards
eating my face party? I didn't expect the leopards
would eat my face. Right.
Yeah, that's right. I feel like I'm at with zeal at
that. Anyway, I can't wait.
I'm excited for the end of the raid.
I'm really excited for Midnight. I can't wait for everybody who
is so pumped to go back to Silver Moon to have it be
destroyed in the opening Act 12.0.
Yeah, they're just completely decimated again.
We're going to see like rebuilt Silver Moon.
It's going to be gorgeous. The sky is going to tear open,
Void Ones are going to attack and Silver Moon will be
destroyed a second time and everyone will be like.
They'll be like you. You frickers thought that you
were going to get flying. You wanted flying in Silver
Moon. We've held off on flying in
Silver Moon for ages. You get Void Silver Moon and
that's the best you're going to get.
Yeah, it's going to be great. OK.
I think that's the show, Lex. I think we're going to wrap it
up. We're at the hour mark.
We got to try and keep these at around an hour.
People start losing focus, the hosts especially the longer
these go after. Especially you and I, there's a
problem. It is a problem.
Manny really has to rain us, and he's not here to do that this
week. Next week, big show.
I don't know what we're going to talk about yet, but it's going
to be a big show. Probably, probably.
Maybe we'll get a theory crafter on to tell us why.
Why Death Knights are not suddenly not upset they don't
have a raid buff, and why it's because their damage is through
the roof. Anyway, until next time, may all
your hits be crits.