1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:06,640 I am on my knees begging you do this for every pre patch event. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,840 This is perfect. Victory for the Forsaken. 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,360 For Lauderon. For the Kieran Tour. 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,800 For Pandaria. For. 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,600 Calendar to. The burning region for Gilnaeus, 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:31,720 but has not died, for the Lich King, for the Sindori. 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,680 For the Alliance, for the. Horn for Azeroth. 8 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,600 Hello. And welcome back to another 9 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,760 episode of For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, Manny, 10 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,920 AKA the Truvo Manny. And we have pantominding in the 11 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,560 corner. Elect rants. 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,800 Was talking to my dog. Oh, she's doing very good. 13 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,640 She was very crazy. It was finally warm enough to 14 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,400 take her for a long walk today, which was a miracle. 15 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,840 But it did mean that we got home from our second long walk of the 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,400 day. And she was like, I want to play 17 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,960 forever. It's time to play forever. 18 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:10,480 And I said, no, baby, you need to take a nap. 19 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,440 I know you and I know right now what you need to do is take a 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:13,960 nap. And she said, no, what I need to 21 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:18,640 do is tear holes in the carpet. So we had to have a little 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,080 conversation about what is and it's not appropriate behavior in 23 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,320 the house. But then she took a nap. 24 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:23,520 And I mean, this is going to blow your mind. 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,600 She really needs to take a nap. What? 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,840 Right, Lex knows best. Also, the other voice that 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,480 you're hearing, and I don't want to keep you out of the 28 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,640 conversation too long, is Sean. Hello, Sean, How are you? 29 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,440 I'm manning my teacup matches my hoodie tonight. 30 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,560 No, they're both teal. I really thought that was the 31 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,680 white teacup and the hoodie was reflecting off of it. 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,400 And I was about to, like, explain color theory to you, and 33 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,760 then that makes sense. Yeah. 34 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,560 Well, it's also got the white interior, which matches the 35 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,320 white of the Honda symbol and the text. 36 00:01:58,320 --> 00:01:59,920 So it's it's really, really matching. 37 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:01,720 There you go. Yeah, I'm all lined up. 38 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,320 OK. So John, you're coordinated. 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,600 And I guess that kind of touches on the first little bit of news 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:14,040 that we have today for all of you who were left in clown suits 41 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,240 from the new change over to transmog, if you log into the 42 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,640 game recently, you should have noticed that you can now get one 43 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,760 free outfit transmog per character. 44 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,840 Now there are some bugs that were reported about it, one 45 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,640 being that even if it is technically free, you would 46 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:39,680 still need the gold in your character's bag to cover it or 47 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,560 in the war bank. It is still free though, and it 48 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,960 is something that you can hold off using. 49 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,040 When you do actually set up your transmog, it will say, do you 50 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,200 want to use your free change or do you want to use the gold? 51 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,000 That's good because there was like a little change that I 52 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,320 wanted to do to my current transmog, like one or two items 53 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,320 and I didn't want to use my free one on that. 54 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,480 And I really love that they've put it in. 55 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,960 It also means that this is something that they could do 56 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,960 later on. It's just like a hey guys, we 57 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,320 had an issue. Everybody gets a free transmog 58 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,520 sort of thing, like it's actual UI setup and stuff for it. 59 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,800 So that seems a little bit more forward thinking. 60 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,960 My boost to level like that every expansion basically at 61 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,160 this point they give you a boost and I have like 3 just sitting 62 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,120 there. This is going to be me and my 63 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,840 Transmox. I'm just going to have it like 64 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,600 stacked up like every error they do. 65 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,120 They're like, here's another free transmog on 50 in the bank. 66 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,200 I'd like to see them offer it every time maintenance is 67 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,040 extended and the crawfish complained online that they 68 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,720 should have a refund on their game time 'cause they had to 69 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,680 wait an extra 3 hours to play. I'd like to see Blizzard go. 70 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,120 You're right, we're sorry. Here's a free trans mug. 71 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,120 Oh, for. Anybody who's. 72 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,320 Not. Yeah, for anybody who's not 73 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,080 familiar, you may hear me use the term crawfish. 74 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,440 I have stopped, sorry. Previously I would refer to 75 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,960 angry people online as bots, but I don't think that's fair to the 76 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,720 bots. And in my head now I've started 77 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,080 to picture them as crawfish. Tiny little crawfish at the 78 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,480 bottom of the ocean with little cell phones just angrily tapping 79 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,960 away with the crawfish fingers. And they're mad at us because 80 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,640 they know they're going to get boiled and eaten. 81 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,000 Sean aren't Crawfish River. I have. 82 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,120 I have no idea. I don't eat insects of the 83 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,360 ocean. Considering that crawfish are 84 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,880 used a lot in Louisiana and I don't know that to be ocean. 85 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,960 Louisiana in the Gulf. Coast in Iowa. 86 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,440 Hurricane, Iowa. Destroyed it. 87 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,960 I thought it was like a along the river where they would like 88 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,800 get up crawfish. And lobsters are oh, I'm gonna. 89 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:42,760 Oh, the lobsters. Are definitely. 90 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,800 Oceanic. All right, well. 91 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,080 Alexa's looking, I think, these people. 92 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,760 You're crawfish people, you angry little crawfish. 93 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,360 OK, so crawfish are freshwater little guys that are common in 94 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,200 Louisiana. You have spine. 95 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,520 You have. Yeah, dude, you. 96 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,360 They're like spine lobsters are sometimes called sea crawfish. 97 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,320 I'm OK, this is AI. I should be looking at an actual 98 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,840 thing. But yeah, crawfishers are fresh 99 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:09,560 water, you fool. Also, they're cute and they're 100 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,360 little baby. So the bottom of a riverbed, 101 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:14,400 they're just angrily tapping away because it's Mardi Gras and 102 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:15,800 they know they're they're about to be eaten. 103 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,560 It makes sense. Makes sense? 104 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,360 Did I show you guys that my cup, my tea cup matches my hoodie? 105 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:27,960 Yes, I, I mean, I don't know what's the, what's that test 106 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,640 they did where like there was a bunch of animals in a bucket and 107 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,880 when one was trying to get away, the other ones would pull the 108 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,160 animal back down. That's. 109 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,000 Have I never used the phrase crab bucketing? 110 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,920 I use that like almost every day in my normal parlance. 111 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:42,960 OK. And no, I'm pretty sure. 112 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,840 OK. Well, yeah, I, I, I think the 113 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:46,520 crab. Yeah. 114 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,360 So, crabby, we're gonna go with crabs. 115 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,880 I love crabs too. They're also babies. 116 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,920 Can you guys pick an animal that's not a baby? 117 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,160 No, no, sorry, but crabs are like pulling everybody down, 118 00:05:57,280 --> 00:05:59,800 even though they're like people could escape like the the 119 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,280 sadness at the bottom of the bucket. 120 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:03,760 They're like no, be be upset with me. 121 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:04,880 And that's what. You're gonna troll. 122 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,200 It actually is, I guess. We're back to bots so Lex won't 123 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:13,640 be mad at us. There's no love lost between me 124 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,760 and robots. Yeah, call them turtles. 125 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,520 No love lost between Lex and turtles. 126 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,080 Oh my God, I love turtles. I don't. 127 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,280 Understand. Would you say if you had to have 128 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:27,120 a chant, if there was like a Lex Ranch chant, would it be 129 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,960 turtles, Turtles rah rah rah? That you said that in a way that 130 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,520 makes me think that's a reference to something and I 131 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,040 don't know what it is and so I'm scared to make it a thing in 132 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,480 either. Way the turtles chocolates in in 133 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,520 in the states. It's a Canadian. 134 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,320 It's a Canadian person from when I was young. 135 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,120 I love turtles. Yeah. 136 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,440 Yeah, OK. All right, Canadiana. 137 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,680 All right. I'll send you a link later. 138 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,080 Lexi, Yeah. Actually, I guess that kind of 139 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,800 segues into the next big thing. We got a little bit of an 140 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,520 announcement. Sean, do you want to talk about 141 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,880 something a little bit Canadian that we've got to announce? 142 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:12,880 Yes, it is officially official. Now we can talk about North Rend 143 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:19,360 Live, which is a Canadian Community of Warcraft event that 144 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,560 is backed by Blizzard. It's not. 145 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,480 I definitely don't want to sell it as a it's not a Blizzard 146 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,720 event. Yeah, it's a community event. 147 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:28,840 N Rend Live is a community event. 148 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:35,320 Pika TV Kess Live, Manny Pika's brother Squirtle and myself. 149 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,320 Pika had this idea to start this convention. 150 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,040 He put this team of superheroes together to build it and then 151 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,880 when we reached out to Blizzard, Blizzard said yeah, we could 152 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,120 definitely get down to support that. 153 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,240 So it's a it's a community driven event with Blizzard 154 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:51,440 support N Red Live taking place in Toronto, ON on February 21st. 155 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:57,200 The doors open at 11:00 AM Eastern Standard Time and I 156 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,360 think they close at 6:00 PM Nineteen Plus because there will 157 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,040 be alcohol available on the premises. 158 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,880 We're going to have void themed entrance. 159 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,480 We're going to have a housing photo booth and there will be 160 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:14,040 imagery of Warcraft along all the walls, as well as a live 161 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,560 stream event that will be taking place at the venue. 162 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,720 So live in person at the venue, but it'll be streamed to both 163 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,240 Pika TV's Twitch channel and the Warcraft Twitch channel with 164 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,480 lots of giveaways. You're going to see an interview 165 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:32,559 by myself with a dev whose name I don't have in front of me, but 166 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:38,000 who we do know is a housing dev. I'm so sorry. 167 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,159 Not Jesse Kerlinchek, but another one. 168 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:42,760 It's the only housing dev's name right now. 169 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:49,200 And then we're going to have the Raiderio Decor Gala Housing 170 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,400 competition, which is currently happening right now. 171 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,040 You can go and vote. There are 20 submissions. 172 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,120 You can vote for your top six favorite, or just one if you 173 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,640 only want to vote for one or two or three or whatever, but you 174 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,560 can vote for up to 6. The six finalists will be judged 175 00:09:03,560 --> 00:09:06,640 live on stage by a panel for the winner. 176 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,640 And some of the prizes from that are those Home Sweet home mugs, 177 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,280 which everybody wants that didn't get when they were 178 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,080 because they only went to content creators. 179 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,600 If Manny shows his, I'm going to scream. 180 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:17,400 Manny. Manny got one. 181 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:18,960 Manny. Manny's got a beautiful one. 182 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,000 I wish you had just warned me before I showed it. 183 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:25,000 And then we will have a faction feud. 184 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,040 We're going to have our own very own game show faction Feud, 185 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,560 which is a riff on Family Feud, if you're familiar with that. 186 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,920 We have a Horde team versus an Alliance team. 187 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,080 That's going to be a lot of fun. And then a jump puzzle 188 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,560 competition taking place after that. 189 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,600 Prizes throughout the whole day in person and online on the 190 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,800 stream. Make sure you check that out. 191 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,800 We will spread the word in our discord at pic dot LY slash fas 192 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,200 discord. It's on Twitter. 193 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,480 Boozer put a blog post everybody will be talking about, it will 194 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:54,960 be on the Radar IO main page and it will be a check off of one of 195 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,920 my goals for the year, which Full disclosure chat I knew was 196 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,320 going to happen when I made the goals. 197 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,400 Hey, listen, when when when you originally sat down and we're 198 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,800 like, what do you want to do? What goals you have? 199 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,240 We didn't know we were going to like, cross that off so early. 200 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,760 We knew there was a real good chance. 201 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,560 But when you originally, not when we made it on the show, but 202 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:22,160 when we originally like, hey, what do you want to do? 203 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:25,760 We're going to make it happen. Yeah, yeah, that's right. 204 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,160 So that's pretty exciting stuff. I'm looking forward to it and we 205 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,960 get to hang out with everybody. Everybody's coming in. 206 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,120 I is coming, Dan's flying over Mr. GM from from London, Kira 207 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,240 the Dark Blade cosplay is coming up from Florida. 208 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,800 We have a ton of Canadian content creators, Tactics, 209 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,960 Abadon, Jeddeth, Jericho, Ren, my friend Ren is flying in from 210 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,920 Alberta, Hula from BC is coming. A lot of folks coming from New 211 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,800 York, coming from everywhere. And most importantly, Manny will 212 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,400 be there. I will finally be able to cash 213 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,560 in on my 17 Ode hugs. I will be spacing the Moat over 214 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:02,480 the three days. Or maybe I'll take them all at 215 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,120 once. It's hard to say. 216 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:09,120 Nobody really knows. So I'm, I am excited for that. 217 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,600 There's like going to be a lot going on, a lot of people that 218 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,600 we want to meet. Sad that we could not trickle X 219 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,160 in the coming. She she already used up her 220 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,200 Canadian trip before Christmas. So not to forget that. 221 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,400 For Azeroth, hosts can be in the same space at once. 222 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,080 Rule of the universe. Like anytime an event occurs, 223 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,280 only two of us can go at one time. 224 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:33,200 And unfortunately, I drew the short straw. 225 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Sadness. But of course that means that 226 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:40,800 Blitz gone. There'll still be two of you. 2 227 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,760 of you there. That'll be awesome. 228 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,320 I'm really glad we got to do this because I was like, I'm not 229 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,160 driving to the States, so I made BlizzCon come to us. 230 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,840 That's. Right, we're having Blizz can we 231 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,080 got Blizz can at home. No, no, they they vetoed that 232 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,040 name. Oh yeah, they did. 233 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,560 We actually, I don't know for that to say that I that was one 234 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:00,680 of the names we suggested. And Blizzard did have some say 235 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:03,680 over the naming of the event, of the venue of the event. 236 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,600 And when we suggested Blizz can, they were like, hey, we love it, 237 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:13,040 but you can't use that. And to to the red shirt guy, if 238 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,600 you're within the sound of my voice, we understand that N rend 239 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,840 is gonna be in the last Titan. This is purely Canadian and N 240 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,080 rend being oh did did he? Comment I didn't even see that 241 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,240 on Twitter. No, that was on Blue Sky. 242 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,960 He's he's off Twitter. Oh, so nobody saw it? 243 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:32,280 Apparently I did, so there you go. 244 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,440 Two people on Blue Sky are manual. 245 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,240 Shirt Oh blue sky saw it. Both of the both of the blue 246 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,960 skiers saw it OK anyways. So there you go. 247 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,400 Yeah. So we're excited about that, but 248 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,840 let's talk about some more things. 249 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:53,600 World of Warcraft in game. This is the 3rd week of 250 00:12:53,680 --> 00:13:02,960 endeavors, the second week of the pre pre patch event and we 251 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,840 are closing in on midnight. There's been a lot of 252 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,360 adjustments that they've been making to stuff on the beta, so 253 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,640 I'm going to suggest to people it's not time to learn your 254 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,760 class rotation. Some classes are getting changes 255 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,720 to their apex talents, some classes are getting changes to 256 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,560 their even their cooldowns like Resto shaman. 257 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,960 The very nature of how ascendance works has been 258 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,720 changed. So don't get comfortable guys. 259 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,400 A lot is still still happening, but I didn't want to take this 260 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,560 time to like kind of check in with you guys and see how you're 261 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:46,120 enjoying this pre patch, pre release situation because I 262 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:51,000 think the event itself is pretty trash. 263 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,600 But I am enjoying housing and the other things that have been 264 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,600 put forward, which is kind of balancing out a bit. 265 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:04,240 Like are you guys taking the time to do any kind of housing 266 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,520 to do the endeavors? Or is that something that you 267 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,680 kind of just ridden off as not really for you? 268 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:13,840 I guess that question is kind of pointed at you, Lex. 269 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:20,040 I did the 50 tic tac toe achievement because you taught 270 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:25,960 me how to do tic tac toe and win Manny Yeah, I'm heavily in break 271 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,920 mode. I wanted to log in for the pre 272 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,280 patch event and it pissed me off so bad. 273 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:37,160 I did one day of it and I was like, simply now, which probably 274 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:38,920 gonna make me sad when I don't have a cute little amount and a 275 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,360 cute little title, but I don't at this point. 276 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,720 I understand they've nerfed it, and I'm mad enough that they 277 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,080 opened it with what was such an odd, like a blatantly obvious 278 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,880 bad system that was not fun. And I I I say this knowing that 279 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,520 I am one of the only World of Warcraft players who doesn't do 280 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,400 two things at once and doesn't, like, watch Netflix while 281 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,200 everyone I'm playing the game. So maybe it's my own fault. 282 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,760 Maybe I need to learn to multitask, but I, I, I did that 283 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,840 one first day. I said this is stupid and I 284 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,840 have, I most likely will not be on until, well, we're going to 285 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,600 do one final run, one final run of Dimensius just to kind of 286 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,600 feel our glasses out a little bit. 287 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:24,360 And then I likely will not be on until official midnight release. 288 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,480 OK, OK. Jon, I fear that there might be 289 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,880 a similar answer from you. Well, I did the endeavors. 290 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,320 I'm done. I've done endeavors. 291 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,920 I don't have to do them again. I picked up enough sticks and 292 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:43,920 fixed enough fences to fill my bar exactly one time and that's 293 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,520 it. I'm endeavored out. 294 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,160 So endeavors are complete. I checked that. 295 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,400 I'm checking that box off Endeavors done. 296 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,720 I never have to do this again. I will collect my passive 297 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,200 endeavour points from doing dungeons and raids and what have 298 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,000 you and that will be that. I got as much in general from 299 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,120 that as I could, but I I got to be honest, the pre patch event 300 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:09,720 couldn't be more Sean coded. I love it. 301 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:15,280 It is almost identical to the Shadow Lands pre patch event 302 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,480 which took place in Ice Crown Citadel which I also loved. 303 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,680 I fly to a zone or to a spot, I wait for the mob to spawn, I 304 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,680 kill them up. I fly to the next spot, I wait 305 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,160 for the mob to spawn, I kill them up, rinse and repeat. 306 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,320 That's fantastic. Do you know how much work you 307 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,360 can get done in between rare spawns? 308 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,720 At 5 minutes of spawn, about 3 minutes of work. 309 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,800 It's pretty good. It's pretty good. 310 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,080 That's some some surfing, that's some shorts generating, that's 311 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,240 some text writing. I love it. 312 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,320 I think it's great if I don't. I never ever ever Blizzard. 313 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,960 If you're listening fast, if you're listening, I am on my 314 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:56,560 knees begging you do this for every pre patch event. 315 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,240 This is perfect because it's almost AF cable. 316 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,440 I have to engage with it almost not at all and that is 317 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,400 fantastic. I have almost completed all of 318 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,520 the trans Mon. You know what video aim is great 319 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:11,960 if you're literally not playing it. 320 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,119 If you're like, this is top tier because I'm not engaging with 321 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,000 it. I love those AFK warrior games, 322 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,960 they're fantastic. Yeah no, I love the pre budget. 323 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,040 I endeavors can get launched into the sun. 324 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:23,680 What a horrible experience that is. 325 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,200 I'll never do that again. But the pre batch event is 326 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:32,240 fantastic. Wow, that is diametric 327 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,240 opposition there. I cannot see you guys being 328 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:42,160 further apart. OK, that is insane. 329 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:51,040 That's the crazy. Man, you know my my joy of AFK. 330 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,240 Yeah, joy of AFK game modes. I'm I'm aware. 331 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,920 Yeah, I and honestly if I'm playing my rest of shaman I land 332 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,640 I don't I just hit healing totem healing stream totem once I 333 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,640 press 1 button and then I right click delete when it's dead and 334 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,120 it's great. I have it's so good for second 335 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:10,600 monitor gaming. I love it. 336 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,880 Wow, OK, there you go. I'd love to hear from our 337 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:22,000 audience because I don't think like this was not prepared ahead 338 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,240 of time. I had no idea that we would get 339 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,600 these two different reactions. So I'd love to hear from the 340 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:33,720 Fazzers out there. Let us know what you think where 341 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,720 sorry, where you weigh in on this. 342 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,920 You can get your conversation in at bit dot LY slash fast discord 343 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:47,280 or leave a comment we we do listen or read those as well, 344 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,120 but. You're not getting off the hook 345 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:49,800 here Manny. What about you? 346 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,680 What do you think about the pre batch event? 347 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,040 Oh, that's right. Yeah, true. 348 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:54,440 I didn't, I didn't say anything myself. 349 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:55,880 I so. Choose your favorite. 350 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:00,840 I, I think it's funny that you mentioned the repairing fences 351 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,160 and stuff because I was doing like the specific things for 352 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:11,600 like the theme of the events. So the generic stuff, I was 353 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,040 like, oh wow, OK, I can like clean some cobwebs or fix, fix a 354 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,800 fence. I'm glad that those are, those 355 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,880 are in there and I only found out about those like today. 356 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,960 I was doing nothing but the very specific ones. 357 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:32,720 I point towards your comment about how the endeavors can be 358 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,960 done passively. You don't have to actually like 359 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,840 spend spend the time, but I really love that they're not 360 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,160 capped anymore like they were at the beginning. 361 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,160 So like I'll be going to the Town Center to get some stuff 362 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,360 that I want from my house. I'll get some fresh paint 363 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:52,400 because I want to put up a paint and then the puppy will be there 364 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,240 or like the Meccano bottle be going around and spilling oil 365 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,480 and I'll be like, OK, let me just clean that up and pet the 366 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,880 pet, the dog and I'll get neighborly and stuff. 367 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:05,040 And it's just, it's a part of. As I'm doing stuff and I really 368 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:10,040 do like that that is there going through the portal to do the 369 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,400 endeavours. I basically did it a little bit 370 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:18,680 the first week and then I have just been getting it as I've 371 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,360 been gathering material to like work on professions for a 372 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:26,880 particular zone. I'll do it in the endeavour 373 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,840 zone. So I'll get more coupons that 374 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,640 way. But yeah, I've both my 375 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,800 neighborhoods are either maxed or next to maxed. 376 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,840 I've bought every single decor that that's available from all 377 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,200 four of the of the endeavors that are available now. 378 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,280 Because the great part about this is that people have been 379 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,760 putting up listings and saying like, hey, Max consortium, come, 380 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,880 come join, go to this neighborhood and I'll like jump 381 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,360 in, go to that. Some of them have fantastic 382 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:06,640 houses, like absolutely like jaw-dropping. 383 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,360 I can't believe how crazy this stuff is. 384 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,720 And so I've really enjoyed it for the social aspect. 385 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,360 And then I'll be, I guess on your side, Sean, where like I'll 386 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,240 just be able to do it passively when I don't have the time to do 387 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:25,640 such it the other way. So I think I like endeavors. 388 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,840 I think that if you are playing like Sean is or like I'm saying 389 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,720 that I'm going to, it is great for those people, but for the 390 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,440 people who want to actually like put the time in, it's 100% there 391 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,080 for them. So perfect, great way of great 392 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:45,600 way of putting together. As for the pre patch event, I'm 393 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:52,360 on Lex's side for this. Like this may in fact have been 394 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:57,160 one of the worst ones I have participated in, in terms of 395 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,680 engagement. And I can second screen it. 396 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:05,800 I ended up second screening for this one, but I specifically did 397 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,840 not engage it or touch it the first little bit, 'cause I'm 398 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,160 like, with everything Blizzard's putting out these days, they'll 399 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,600 put it out and then two days later be like, hey guys, we 400 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,080 fucked up. How could we know that this was 401 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,120 going to be absolute dog shit? I guess we're going to patch it 402 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:28,520 in so that it's it's less dog shit and then I'll I'll do it. 403 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,920 At one point I wasn't sure I was going to like get enough for the 404 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,360 mount initially. And I was like, you could 405 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:41,480 probably wait like calculate at this rate how much time I would 406 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,800 need to get it in under the wire and just wait for them to hot 407 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,960 fix it again to be like less brain dead. 408 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,440 But I think that it being nothing more than a second 409 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:01,760 screen events that you mostly AFK through to me is an 410 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,120 indictment. Like there was the initial 411 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:08,200 opening quest and I thought that that was annoying. 412 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,760 And then you get into the Highlands and I did the world 413 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:16,760 quest because those reward more than the the rares. 414 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:21,000 I killed the rares, the crossing them off the list so I could get 415 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:28,160 them out and and I went back as I was talking with Lex, I was 416 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,800 like, yeah, Lex, here's how you never lose that tic tac toe. 417 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,320 I can't say you you can always win, but you do you play tic tac 418 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,200 toe like this and you can never lose was what it was. 419 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,080 And then we, because I was there with Lex, I got the got the 50 420 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,240 for the achievement or a feat of strength. 421 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,680 But if I'm not being social like it, like when I went back, it 422 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,000 was because my friend wanted to go and we were just chatting. 423 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,560 And so that's what made it interesting hanging out with a 424 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,000 friend, not anything that the game was offering. 425 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,640 And I think that that's an indictment. 426 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,240 So I guess I'm split between you guys. 427 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,800 Manny, did you see the PC Gamer article? 428 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,960 I'm sorry, I was trying desperately to find the actual 429 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:17,720 headline so I could read it titled Wow's expansion pre patch 430 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,120 event has buffed its rewards after being a little stingy at 431 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:22,240 1st and I'm running out of ways to phrase these sorts of 432 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,880 headlines without plagiarizing myself. 433 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,720 No, I did not. But it's so true. 434 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,840 They've like and Ian has a coast. 435 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,120 It's not a direct quote, but it is something to the effect of we 436 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,760 want to be conservative at first because it's easier for us to 437 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,200 like open up the the floodgates than it is to like go back. 438 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,080 And to that I say take the time and do it right the first time 439 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,840 instead of constantly having to be like, whoops, sorry you got 440 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,400 there early. I guess you're going to have to 441 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,880 hope that it's something repeatable daily, because now 442 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,680 we're going to make it actually more worth your while to do, not 443 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,880 so tedious. Well, and also it's pre patch, 444 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,880 right? This is the time that like just 445 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,000 yeah, whatever man it gives a ton of currency see and everyone 446 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,960 feels like a God sick. Oh no, the world's going to end 447 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,960 pre patch was super generous. Call the police right and this 448 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:25,160 is I I I I'm sad. I am famously the pre I as a 449 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,760 child played obviously the Wrath pre patch which is the most God 450 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,720 tier pre patch that has ever occurred and then when I 451 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,040 returned to World of Warcraft after a long hiatus was right 452 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,560 before Legion pre patch. Which is also famously one of 453 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,120 the really gangbusters every time, eh? 454 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,480 That was amazing. Yeah. 455 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,800 Yeah. So in my head, pre patch is 456 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,360 incredible. And so I am constantly 457 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,560 disappointed by pre patch. And the thing that frustrates me 458 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,560 the most about disappointing pre patches is like, it doesn't 459 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,920 matter, right? Because they in the sense of 460 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,880 like, it's it can be goofy. It doesn't have to be well 461 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,160 tuned. It can just be fun. 462 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,880 And they instead choose to be derivative and like it just 463 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,120 stingy and make it incredibly grindy. 464 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,560 And I what really frustrated me was like it was the the world 465 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,400 quests were some of the most copy paste world quests I've 466 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,040 seen in my life and they only had four. 467 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,840 And also they genuinely like at the beginning, they opened it up 468 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,040 with 10 minutes between spawn kills. 469 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,840 Like, yeah, maybe if this was the first time they'd ever 470 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,640 written a pre patch, they might have genuinely believed that 471 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,080 people were going to be happy with 10 minutes between spawn 472 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,920 like kills. But that gave us genuinely like 473 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,400 8 minutes between every kill to just sit on our butts because we 474 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,600 could not do literally anything because there were four world 475 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,760 quests and they all took about 5 minutes apiece. 476 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,080 So no, I was not, I was not happy in the beginning because 477 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,440 yeah, I, I, I feel like they do this every patch. 478 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,920 It's not like they don't understand the currency systems. 479 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,680 They don't know how much people are going to play. 480 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,800 They don't know how fast we kill ads. 481 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,200 Like, bro, it's the midnight pre patch. 482 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,200 We could have tuned it better. And I do it, it, it feels I'll 483 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,840 stop soapboxing in a minute, I swear. 484 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,040 But it does feel like kind of the point is to start 485 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,920 extraordinarily stingily and really slowly so then they can 486 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,520 fix it. As opposed to just like, yeah, 487 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,320 yeah, I'm. I'm with you many. 488 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,880 They knew. They knew that this was too 489 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,240 slow. They knew that this was not 490 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,960 enough money. They knew that this was going to 491 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,520 suck. Right. 492 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:32,160 It was slapped together and copy paste and simply the most 493 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,040 derivative thing I can imagine. Sorry, Sean. 494 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,920 I'm glad that you're having fun. I don't mean to yuck your Yum. 495 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,280 It's OK, it doesn't bother me. You're allowed to not like 496 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,240 stuff. I I not like, I not like stuff 497 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,280 all the time. That was good English. 498 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:52,040 I, I would have enjoyed it more like I think that all, all the 499 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,320 complaints that I just put aside, I think that if there was 500 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,240 just a story element that would have been enjoyable, that would 501 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,600 have bridged the gap a little bit more. 502 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,200 I I would have said, Oh yeah, this was just the busy work, but 503 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,160 the real pre patch was this cool thing we did. 504 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,160 But like I think that kind of got already done in the .7 505 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,480 patch. Like if I took that .7 story 506 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,000 where the least story was around and we had Air Thor and I just 507 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,120 transplanted it into this. I think all of my I would have 508 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:28,320 just completely ignored the faults with this 'cause I was 509 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,680 like this is what I got to enjoy as pre patch stuff. 510 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,320 And Manny they could have had the pre patch event been like 511 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,560 cleaning up the shadow lands. Wait why didn't they just do the 512 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,040 .7 as the pre patch? That would have been so much 513 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,320 cleaner and they would have had so many more opportunities. 514 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,880 And OK I don't know the lore well enough to know if this is 515 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,440 true, but I know I have heard completely. 516 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,360 Actually YouTube can tell me if I'm tripping out. 517 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,080 I clearly have been on World of Warcraft Reddit and they were 518 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,920 complaining about the fact that it doesn't, in their opinion, 519 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,720 make a ton of sense for Twilight Hammer to just suddenly be with 520 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,800 Zalitaf when they're historically Old God and Zalitaf 521 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,280 and Old God tend not to get along. 522 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,560 I don't know if that's true, I've only read Chronicles. 523 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:10,240 It there is thought for that, however, with all of the Old 524 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:16,240 Gods now dead, they're kind of rudderless and for them to latch 525 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:22,200 on to a former enemy, right? Isn't that contrived? 526 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,880 It's totally fine for them to be like, yeah, we want the end of 527 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,960 the world. The Old gods have failed, the 528 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,520 Old Gods are gone. All hailed Xalatath like that. 529 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,440 That doesn't seem like too far a stretch. 530 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,280 That was kind. Of my. 531 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,560 The Twilight Hammer is notoriously made-up of foot 532 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,440 fetishists, so. Oh yeah, that'll do it. 533 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,880 That also tracks. OK. 534 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,560 Can I I just have a question though, because I I have heard, 535 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,720 I know that I'm in the minority of people who like this pre 536 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,200 patch. Nobody, literally nobody that I 537 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:59,240 know likes this pre patch. Do you guys, are you really like 538 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,760 eager for a reason to log in and some long slog to do before a 539 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,200 new expansion launches? Do you not just want it to be 540 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,680 easily forgettable fun and? Goofy. 541 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,200 I want something silly. I want to play around. 542 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,400 It took me a while to figure out a word that Manny wouldn't have 543 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,120 to beep there. It's so sad. 544 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,720 Fuck it, you can say whatever you want. 545 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,400 Yeah, Whoa, Manny, this is a kids show. 546 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,120 Yeah, yeah. Keep going. 547 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:25,920 Think. Of the children. 548 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,400 Listen listeners. No listen family. 549 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,800 The episode where I was away and you just said no thing. 550 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,440 We did not curse once. There was not one F word. 551 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,840 I searched it. I checked no single, no F words. 552 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,520 Were sent no, but it was just like, whatever I'm like OK, 553 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,840 that's fine. I give up you guys. 554 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,440 Yeah. There were there were no F words 555 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,240 in that episode. Listen. 556 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,440 I know, listener, Listener XI know you listen with your kids, 557 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,480 and I want to apologize to you and your children for Manny's 558 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,760 foul language just now. Did you think we're allowed like 559 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,040 so many, we're allowed to get away with so many without an F? 560 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,000 Word an episode Yeah, one an. Episode. 561 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,520 That's why Sean's being really careful now. 562 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,840 That's why you're being really careful now. 563 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,240 I don't want to have to edit this later. 564 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,560 So there's two things that I think could make a really fun 565 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,480 pre patch 1 is just silly, goofy fun, right? 566 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,080 Like everyone remembers, everyone who plays Wrath 567 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,080 remembers and loves the Wrath pre patch, which for those of 568 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,320 you who either did not play or did not remember, that was the 569 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,360 one where like you spread plague, right? 570 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,480 You would turn into a zombie and then if you like ran around 571 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,400 other people, you would give them plague. 572 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,840 And they're like, it was. And the people who didn't want 573 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,560 to get plagued were freaking out about how to avoid the plaguey 574 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,480 people. And those of us who were plagued 575 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,760 were like trying to spread it to as many people as possible. 576 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,520 It was dumb, it was goofy, it was ridiculous, it didn't 577 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,200 matter. It was to this day one of the 578 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,520 memories of World of Warcraft that sticks out in my head. 579 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,400 It's the most fun I have had playing this video game. 580 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,760 Like it was just sheer chaos for the sake of chaos. 581 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:06,200 The other thing that can make to me a pre patch fun is some 582 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,240 degree of adventure, I guess. I think that's what I really 583 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,280 liked about Legion, right? So I'm now these are the two pre 584 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,160 patches that I will forever say were some of the best. 585 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,920 Legion was really fun because it was a exciting event. 586 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,400 It was very structured where it was going to be, but you did 587 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,040 have to move, right? So the travel time took up most 588 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,000 of your time that you were waiting for things to occur. 589 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,880 In my memory at least, it was an excellent leveling activity. 590 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,240 Like you just that's how I got my first Max level character. 591 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,840 This is when I was a role player and the events were rigid enough 592 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,880 that you kind of got into the rhythm, but there was enough to 593 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:43,120 do and enough excitement that you could really feel like you 594 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,160 were playing a game and having fun. 595 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,480 The stages were there to to like, kind of give you 596 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,320 structure, but it was crazy and wild and everybody was pouring 597 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,120 in and such. Yeah. 598 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,080 Right. And I do feel like some of the 599 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,720 the most fun I have in World of Warcraft in general in a way 600 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,120 that I I feel like I haven't necessarily felt quite as much 601 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,760 recently, but I felt a ton during Legion, which maybe just 602 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,920 means I've gotten jaded since that was when I kind of came 603 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,880 back in. But anyway, was just the joy of 604 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,920 all of us are working together. We're not necessarily 605 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,560 interacting, but there's so many people here and we are all 606 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,240 engaging in one big task as a community. 607 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,560 It felt very communal. It felt very alive. 608 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,560 That was also why I think I had so much fun with the, you know, 609 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,800 soup, the, the, the Stew quests, right? 610 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:34,520 Like that sort of nobody's taking it super seriously, but 611 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,120 everyone is getting engaged and everyone is having a really fun 612 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,560 time and everyone is digging into it as a group and as a 613 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,200 community. I have a lot of fun with that. 614 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,040 And I think that's a great thing for pre patch to really bring 615 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,640 that energy in life. And I think that isn't really in 616 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,240 this one. I think it's just, you know, 617 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,760 we're all flying to the spot and sitting there and then pressing 618 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,680 buttons until the thing dies. And it's not a complex enough 619 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,200 fight that it's really like taking up a lot of brain power. 620 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,960 And so it's kind of just I'm gonna go and I'm gonna press my 621 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:14,639 healing totem and call it A tag. Yeah, I, I would say that I 622 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:20,920 liked Legion because of the Broken Shore event that was like 623 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,400 big like like scenario sort of thing. 624 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,280 I was like, oh cool. Like does the Legion coming back 625 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,120 OK, and now I'm hyped for the expansion sort of thing. 626 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:34,719 Also Legion had like much like this huge sweeping class 627 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,600 changes. This was when like 628 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,360 specializations really started differing from one one another. 629 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,440 So that was exciting a novel and such. 630 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:50,840 The other part of of pre expansion stuff that I like is 631 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,920 the kind of limited time events and stories. 632 00:34:54,639 --> 00:35:00,720 I don't think that Cataclysm had like the most amazing story 633 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:02,760 stuff. Like it was just like elementals 634 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,560 attacking the main main city, utterly forgettable. 635 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,800 But it also had the like reclaiming Nomurion and the and 636 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,040 the like liberation of the, the echo aisles. 637 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,600 And that I thought that was great to have that little story 638 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:23,160 story moment to push forward like the the like Azeroth stuff, 639 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,360 even if you never came back to it, like unfortunately for 640 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,360 Mechagon, still contaminated, but at least we, we don't have 641 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,640 the like meme of they've never tried to get it back. 642 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:38,200 The and it also made sense when Cataclysm changed the world. 643 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,880 It's like, hey, yes, you get to be on Echo Isles now because 644 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,720 they've reclaimed it and they've rebuilt that sort of stuff. 645 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,800 So I think as world workout, as a living world, that kind of 646 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,920 stuff would be, would be great. So that's it. 647 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,120 I think those are the things where as you were doing these 648 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,640 pre expansion events, they should be for all different 649 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:06,640 types of players, not just the players who are doing work. 650 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:12,240 And just, you know, on the second computer having the 651 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:17,080 little tipping dodo bird tap the five to drop their healing 652 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,320 stream totem. So they get get events, they get 653 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,200 experience. I'd like something where I could 654 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,000 be like, OK, let me do a fun event, not necessarily a big 655 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,480 involved challenging event, but just a fun event to get me in 656 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,480 the mindset of coming back to this game. 657 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,440 That's what I would want from the pre expansion. 658 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,520 But that's all that we're going to talk about pre expansion 659 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,040 because there's a general how the World Warcraft is moving 660 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,360 forward. And it was an amazing article 661 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,480 about that that came and it came out. 662 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:56,160 This was with Ian Hasikosis, Holly Longdale, and I apologize 663 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,080 I forget who the third person was. 664 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,120 The interviewer. It was the, no, I thought there 665 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,360 was a third person other than them, but yeah, I guess it was 666 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,200 the interviewer. Yeah, OK, It was the 667 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:12,120 interviewer. So this was generally about like 668 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,760 these big changes coming to World of Warcraft, how housing 669 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,200 came. It came to be over the course of 670 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,520 many expansions how they are broadening the appeal of World 671 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,440 of Warcraft and making it something that is, again, they 672 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,800 say this a lot, but listening to their audience, but not just 673 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,600 listening to the people who are terminally online like yours 674 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,040 truly, but the people based on like their play habits, what 675 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:44,120 they engage with, what they don't engage with, what makes 676 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,640 the game accessible, fun, something that people can come 677 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,120 back to. And I thought this was like a 678 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,160 really good light interview. It's not going to give you a 679 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,080 bunch of spoilers of what's coming in Midnight or Last 680 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,320 Hiding or Beyond, but it does put a lot of context on to what 681 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,400 we've we've been seeing from the team. 682 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:09,080 So one thing that was talked about was that they've empowered 683 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:14,040 their team with leadership and you have seen that as we've gone 684 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,080 through the interviews, you've seen people with their titles 685 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,480 changing and we now have a directorial team instead of just 686 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,040 one lead, lead director, they are leading multiple teams. 687 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:31,280 We've heard Holly Longdale talk about the live team, the team 688 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,080 that was working on the War Within that is now working on 689 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,080 the Last Titan, The the team that is a separate team that is 690 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,240 now working on Midnight that we're going to be enjoying 691 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:47,960 really soon. From this interview, what did 692 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,680 you guys think were like some good takeaways? 693 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,560 I'm going to throw this one first to you, Sean. 694 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,160 There's a few things. There was one thing I'm pretty 695 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,120 sure Holly confirmed we're going to get a Blizzard television 696 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,480 show. She specifically called out how 697 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,640 she feels the Warcraft IP has been underutilized and how they 698 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,600 don't want to just be an MMO at Microsoft. 699 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,680 So I mean, that could mean other types of games in with the 700 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,520 Warcraft IPI mean we have heard stone, we had war cover and all 701 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,280 that kind of stuff. We could maybe get an RTS at 702 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,680 BlizzCon, who knows. But I think it's sort of leans 703 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,760 to maybe seeing a television because they talk about 704 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,960 branching out to new audiences, bringing in new players, new new 705 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,680 viewers, new new people with the IPI think that means television 706 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,400 show. I think that's good. 707 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:40,120 There was a couple of quotes. I do want to talk about that TV 708 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,360 show before you dive into something further. 709 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,320 What do you think about a conflict of story 'cause if you 710 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,840 have a Warcraft TV show, do events in that show need to be 711 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,040 reflected in the game? Do things in the game that need 712 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,000 to be reflected in the show? What like do you think that that 713 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,520 would create a a narrative conflict? 714 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,040 No, you do the if you do a Warcraft show and it's not the 715 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,320 story of Arthus, you've made a huge mistake and it will flop. 716 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,760 Literally, literally just do the story of Arthus. 717 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,280 So. I can I be so so controversial. 718 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:15,720 I'm so fucked. Sorry. 719 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,680 We we did our one FF word. I'm so sick of Arthus. 720 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,720 I'm so over it. I I have it has been beaten over 721 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:24,920 my head. I like I'm I'm so done with him. 722 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,040 If I have to hear the name of Arthus one more time, I'm going 723 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,760 to lose my mind. I personally, I think I've 724 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,440 argued this on the show before. I think the take away we should 725 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,360 have from the Warcraft movie is that trying to present 726 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,480 Warcraft's storyline, it's just too complicated and there's too 727 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,600 much. And so you're going to feel 728 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,520 thrown in. The ending's not going to be 729 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,000 very satisfying. And it's just it's it's going to 730 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,560 be so much just let's recreate Chronicle, but or like like 731 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,600 let's recreate this one specific game and not worry about the 732 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:55,840 fact the beginning doesn't make sense. 733 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,920 I also thought that they're definitely that comment very 734 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,000 much felt to me like they're talking more movies and more TV 735 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,800 shows. I really strongly believe if 736 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,320 they do that, I think you're probably right, Sean. 737 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,240 I think I am one of the few people who's so sick of the name 738 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,160 Arthur and I think they they are going to milk that cow until it 739 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,160 dies. But if I had a say in this, I 740 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,800 really think the way they avoid the narrative overlap is this is 741 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,600 a Side Story, right? I don't want to hear about the 742 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,480 main characters. I want to hear about the main 743 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,800 characters of World of Warcraft. I play World of Warcraft, right? 744 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,360 I read the books, I get into that. 745 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:35,640 I want ATV show that's like somebody in Elwyn Forest, right? 746 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:41,160 I, I want to see someone dealing with cataclysm as a, you know, 747 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,720 a, a soldier, like, how is this changing their life? 748 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,480 Like I, I want those really beautiful little side stories 749 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,000 that everyone loves in the, the, the game. 750 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,280 I want that to be the focus so that you could have a genuine 751 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,600 beginning, middle and end. It doesn't conflict with the 752 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,480 main story. You don't have to worry about 753 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,240 them Brett conning a bunch of stuff later. 754 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,880 And it can just be its own little unique story that 755 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,320 somebody who's nobody who has never played the game can enjoy 756 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,240 without getting confused. I have a hard truth for you, 757 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:17,080 Lex, and every Warcraft fan who, like myself, is desperate for a 758 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,120 television show. Oh yeah, we are not the target 759 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,560 audience. It's the goal if if they're 760 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,800 doing it, there is no money. In producing an animated series 761 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,840 television show, Arcane lost tons of money. 762 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:37,320 They lost so much and converted almost none of the viewers into 763 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,480 gamers in in riots in League of Legends. 764 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,600 So if they're you doing Warcraft television series, it is 765 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,640 strictly a marketing element used to bring new people into 766 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,400 the Warcraft space to entice them to play the game. 767 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,640 So it's 'cause you, you're probably not. 768 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,360 I don't think you're alone. You said you might be alone, but 769 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,160 I don't think I think there are lots of people who are tired of 770 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,240 the, the, the name Arthus, but they need to lead with their 771 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:08,440 strongest story to bring in new people, to see the universe, to 772 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,960 fall in love with the universe and bring them in. 773 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,120 You don't lead with side stories, cause who can't? 774 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,840 Like how is somebody who's never played the game before going to 775 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,920 care what's happening in Ellwyn Forest? 776 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,920 They don't mean Ellen Forest doesn't mean anything to them, 777 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,240 you know what I mean? You lead with the big the big 778 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:22,560 hits. That's fair. 779 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,880 But I do, I, I, I would worry if they did artists that that's so 780 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,240 far removed from the main storyline that somebody's going 781 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:29,560 to go in. They can be like how cool, it's 782 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,360 the cool artist story. And they're going to be like, 783 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,920 yeah, that was 2 decades ago. Like we had a whole moment where 784 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,720 Sylvanus was like, and he's finally gone, right? 785 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,400 Like man's dead man is dead as a doornail. 786 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,960 But no. And I, I think more so like I'm 787 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,080 imagining almost alike. Yeah, I guess I, I don't know. 788 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,680 I don't know what they do. I think that they are going to 789 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,440 try to do ATV show. I'm scared they're going to go 790 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:59,120 the same direction as the movie and bite off more they can chew 791 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,960 and make it more fan service than anything. 792 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,720 I don't want another movie The I enjoyed the Warcraft movie but 793 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:13,000 Warcraft's lore and history and back story is too dense for a 794 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,560 movie as we saw. I think it was. 795 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:20,160 The movie was good if you are already a fan of Warcraft but if 796 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,880 you're not which I guess that's their their target. 797 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,120 I mean, Holly specifically talks about branching out and reaching 798 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,520 new people, new viewers, new eyes. 799 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,520 So they're not targeting us. It's we're all going to watch it 800 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,920 and and, and love it and pick it apart and do what we do with 801 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,760 everything Warcraft related, you know? 802 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,720 Oh, did Richard Nack write this? It's awful. 803 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,560 Just I'm just kidding. That's a that's a joke. 804 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,760 That's an inside joke because Lex hates Richard Nack. 805 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,680 That's all that is, that's. He's joking. 806 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,040 Not me, not I'm kidding. Richard is a more talented 807 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,560 person than I'll ever be in my entire life. 808 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,560 The man's creating things that I will never dream of. 809 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,200 Yeah, also a joke, please, if you're listening, we. 810 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,200 Damn, I almost had that interview with Richard Nath 811 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,480 lined up. Now we'll never get it. 812 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,720 Yeah, I will never get them. Yeah, they're not. 813 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:07,680 I don't think they're targeting us. 814 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,040 They're they're targeting people that aren't in the space that. 815 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,400 So they're going to have to make it as simple as possible. 816 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,800 You could even start at the very beginning, you know, and tell 817 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,400 them, make them fall in love with Azeroth for a reason. 818 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,920 Show them. Maybe we could follow Torelian 819 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,520 from his beginnings as a simple orphan. 820 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,280 OK, not to. Be not to be continuous. 821 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,960 Again, Sean, they're not make it for us. 822 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,560 Stop it. They're not make it for us. 823 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,000 Let me OK OK fast NAV if you are involved and there is ATV show 824 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,400 and you guys are thinking of starting with original Warcraft 825 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,680 lore. As someone who just read Beyond 826 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,440 the Dark portal, it's not appealing old Warcraft storyline 827 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,440 is it? It's nostalgia fun. 828 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:54,160 It's the modern Warcraft lore has brought a lot of nuance to 829 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,320 the story writing process that makes it significantly more 830 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,360 palatable to modern audiences. Let's put it like that. 831 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:08,280 I would say that I agree with both your takes for different 832 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,000 reasons. Think marketable and profitable 833 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,640 and drawing people in is very much going to be part of the 834 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,280 decision making process like Sean is saying. 835 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,320 But I don't think that excludes what you're saying Lex. 836 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,480 I think that if you are to do this like Saturday morning 837 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:31,040 cartoons to get people to buy in and I'm not saying that I'm not 838 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,960 saying that this show would be a Saturday morning cartoon. 839 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,600 I'm just saying that like originally Saturday morning 840 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,280 cartoons, for those people who don't know, Saturday morning 841 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,040 cartoons were were invented as a vehicle to sell toys. 842 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,960 The He Man toys existed and then they meet the He Man show to 843 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,720 sell the toys, Transformers existed and then they meet the 844 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:48,320 Transformers show to sell Transformers and so on and so 845 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,360 forth. If you're of that mind, if 846 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,720 you're some studio exact and be like, we got to sell people on 847 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,520 the Warcraft IP so that they'll jump into Hearthstone, so that 848 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,000 they'll jump in the World of Warcraft and we'll get them 849 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,200 hooked. I got something for the after 850 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,360 show about that, but we'll leave that specifically for the after 851 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,080 show. I think that you sell people on 852 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,320 archetypes, you sell people on the experience. 853 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,560 You don't need to have Arthus, but you should have a death 854 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,920 knight. Like if there is an episode and 855 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,600 a death knight rolls into town and it's just like, Oh my 856 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,680 goodness, how are we gonna deal with this guy? 857 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,080 And and then people are like, Oh my gosh, I gotta I gotta get me 858 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,800 one of those. I gotta roll myself a death 859 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,680 knight. That does the effect. 860 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,720 But you, it's a question about artistic, artistic values. 861 00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,360 It's it's a question about where you put it in. 862 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,320 And I think to Lexus point, if you do something that is that 863 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:49,240 you're starting from Page 1 and we're on page 9,000,067. 864 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,560 There's too much of A disconnect there as well. 865 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,880 You can't really have stories about like Ghoul Dan and stuff. 866 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,800 And then people come to the game. 867 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,560 It's like, but what happened to Gulen? 868 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,000 Oh, he's dead, and then he came back and then he's dead again. 869 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,360 Like people will just be like, OK, you know what, forget it, 870 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,440 never mind. So you have something that is 871 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,560 more contemporary. You have it that touches on 872 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,320 contemporary themes. And you could even do something 873 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:18,360 where it's like, hey, we're going to have the adventures of 874 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,800 the Wellikre or the the expedition or something. 875 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,040 You have, just like they have in Hearthstone, you have Sir 876 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,800 Merkelton as one of the characters and blah, blah, blah. 877 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:36,080 And, and they can do stuff. I don't know what the what the 878 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,840 level of appeal is, but you can have successful shows that 879 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:46,880 aren't exactly the storyline. Like people love the Witcher up 880 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:52,640 until they can the actor and they hired the the TV version of 881 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,040 the actor. But the Witcher was good and got 882 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,360 people interested into like older games and such and more 883 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,640 contemporary versions of it. I think that there are much 884 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,680 there are similar things. Arcane was expensive, but as 885 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,160 Goblin's graphics is saying in in chat, there was merch sales, 886 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,680 there was other stuff to help off offset that. 887 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,640 It's the first time I've actually looked at League and 888 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,720 they're not done with it yet. They're they're doing a new 889 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,240 series and probably they'll retool it so it's not as 890 00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:30,760 expensive. But getting that IP, getting 891 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,440 that brand out there to reinvigorate an audience 892 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,240 sometimes might be worth a little bit of a loss leader. 893 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,160 Well an Arcane was unique because it was so strikingly 894 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,920 different from League of Legends right? 895 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,880 Like if you love Arcane, to my understanding as somebody who 896 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,400 has not watched Arcane and also has not played League of 897 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,800 Legends. But my understanding from the 898 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,800 people who have done both is that loving Arcane has no 899 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,360 overlap with the way that you play League of Legends. 900 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,960 Storylines are different and League is not a like yes the all 901 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,680 the characters have story and those characters are in the game 902 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,800 and in the show, but it's like a alternate version of those 903 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,360 characters and the game isn't a story driven game whatsoever. 904 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,640 Right. We should watch season 1. 905 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,400 Season 1 is very good. You could skip season 2. 906 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,360 I've been told. I've been told I really need to 907 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,880 watch Arcane. I've been told it's incredible. 908 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,240 Hey, I haven't watched the Warcraft movie and I'm sure 909 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:27,480 that's a cardinal sin on this show. 910 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,760 It's no, I mean. You're allowed to watch what you 911 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,120 want to watch, Manny you. When do you? 912 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,520 When would you find time to watch the Warcraft movie in 913 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,040 between all of your Universal Soldier 2 marathons? 914 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,040 I'm not going to lie, I think I would watch the Universal 915 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,920 Soldier 2 before I watch a workout. 916 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,520 Dude, the Warcraft movie is quite good. 917 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,000 It's it's very, very good. And they nail. 918 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,880 They nail the aesthetic. It it OK? 919 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:56,480 It's I, it's not as bad as people said it was. 920 00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,200 I do think it's extremely dense. And me personally, as a reader, 921 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,800 I was like, I feel like I could get more if I just read the book 922 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,080 that I know this is based off of. 923 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,520 That said, yeah, I mean it. It's stunning, right? 924 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,080 I think, I wish they'd done. I wish the movie had been 925 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,520 better. I, I, I wish that it had been a 926 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,360 little bit lighter. I wish they thought a little bit 927 00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,480 more about what story they were picking so that it did feel like 928 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,160 really the issue with the Warcraft movie, in my opinion, 929 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,760 is that it does not have a beginning and it does not have 930 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,760 an end. It is like just this random lore 931 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,200 chunk that, you know, you have to know a ton of stuff that 932 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,760 happened before it to even begin to understand it. 933 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,000 And the ending is deeply unsatisfying because it is part 934 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,920 of a storyline that goes on for like, again, two decades, Right? 935 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:47,000 So, but, but I, I, yes, sorry, you're right, John. 936 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,200 It's it's visually very, very appealing. 937 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,200 I say it's everything I like tonight. 938 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:52,440 That's OK. I. 939 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,240 Like like I would have like in terms of the chunk of storyline, 940 00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:01,600 I would have like a story that is Cadgar realizing that Medeve 941 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,840 has like fallen from the path and gone evil. 942 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,560 And then it ending with like the opening of the dark portal or 943 00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:12,800 Medeve going away right to then open the dark portal as like I 944 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,480 guess we lost but at least we saved the tower sort of thing. 945 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,400 And then post credits Mediva's like out there like what the 946 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,280 hell is going on sort of thing anyways. 947 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,920 Completely different thing. We should only talk about. 948 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,600 The rest of the interview? That was one point that John 949 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:26,680 made. Let's go. 950 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,600 I have another one, I have another one. 951 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,440 This one, this what bothers me a little bit. 952 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:38,200 So Ian made a comment that at one point I'm like, I'm going to 953 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,880 read this and Alexa's going to be like, oh man, that's sweet, 954 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,080 that's exactly what I want. And then on the other talk, 955 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,760 we're all going to be like, that's not exactly accurate. 956 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,920 So Ian mentioned that they're they're specifically talking 957 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,120 about the shift into the new development existence that we 958 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,480 have where they're on a strict 8 week cycle. 959 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,040 So Ian says Midnight will be the fastest expansion we've ever 960 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,480 made in terms of the gap between expansions. 961 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,480 We've had a regular eight week, content updates all along the 962 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,160 way, no corners cut, no compromises in terms of what 963 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,160 we're delivering and no sacrifices to quality. 964 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,520 We'll come back to this. And then he says, most most 965 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,280 importantly, this is the part that I think is important and 966 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,240 good to highlight. Most importantly, no sacrifices 967 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,400 to team health. I can truly say which may be a 968 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,280 rarity in the industry that's thankfully starting to change 969 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,840 more that this is an expansion that was made without crunch. 970 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,320 There was an expansion. This was an expansion that was 971 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,960 made without telling the team. All right, we need to come in 972 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,240 weekends and stay late. We did this smarter instead of 973 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,320 pushing our team in unsustainable ways. 974 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:44,720 At the end of the day, we're going to keep making this game 975 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,160 for years and decades. This is a marathon, not a 976 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,840 Sprint, and we need to treat it accordingly, both when it comes 977 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,760 to supporting our team and our players. 978 00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:58,280 I unequivocally support that decision to say that there was 979 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:05,640 no drop in maybe have somebody come in one weekend, there was 980 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,200 drop to say that there was delivered that this, that they 981 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,560 have been delivering on this with no drop in quality. 982 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,560 I think if anybody who's played the game, who's logged in and 983 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,400 played the game in the last six months, I mean just listen to 984 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,480 the pre patch friend that you 2 described at the start of the 985 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,840 show that it doesn't feel genuine. 986 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,960 I felt the same way. I'm gonna push back on that 987 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,960 thing. I think the drop in quality it 988 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:38,120 has been how buggy things have come out, how broken things have 989 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,080 come out and how they've had to fix things after the the case, 990 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,320 like their conservative drop in like drop rates or timing and 991 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,200 stuff. I don't think that's a drop in 992 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,440 quality. That is just a decision that 993 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,640 they've made. I think that the that like the 994 00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:01,160 systems that they are putting out are just designed to be more 995 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:06,960 shallow or designed to have less teeth, are designed to be just 996 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,680 less compelling. And that to me is the drop in 997 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,720 quality. It's the fact that like, even 998 00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:17,160 though I didn't like Korthia, remember Korthia, remember how 999 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,600 much we didn't like Korthia, right? 1000 00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:26,080 I put that above like any .5 patch throughout the entirety of 1001 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,760 the of The War Within and possibly Dragonflight. 1002 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,320 I'm like my I'd have to stretch my memories, but all the .5 1003 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,920 patches in my recent memory have been next to nothing. 1004 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,320 Burgers have been what the hell is this? 1005 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,360 And maybe part of that is that like, the story of the War 1006 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,520 Within has been this fragmented, like shifting mess. 1007 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,800 And that's not necessarily a quality thing. 1008 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,960 But like, come on. When we had to go back to Arathi 1009 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,920 because the Nerubians that are leaderless are doing a surge 1010 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:07,000 invasion that leads to nothing again, wake me up. 1011 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,600 When they and they only attack when Belladair is lit. 1012 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,080 Right. Y'all could see it this thing in 1013 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,760 the sky, right? Like they're major patches. 1014 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,400 I, I loved all the major patches. 1015 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,800 I think that they were incredibly solid. 1016 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,440 I think the .7 patches. Choose to disagree. 1017 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,320 I will say that the weakest of the of the major patches is 1018 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,680 literally this last one going to Koresh and such. 1019 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:42,840 I was like it did not interest me that much, but man did I love 1020 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,880 the Galaggio undermine as an environment, as a as like a 1021 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,600 theme and everything. You may have quibbles about 1022 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,120 like, hey, like the story went off to thing that I've just 1023 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,840 commented about, like the story kind of going off. 1024 00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,960 If like if that was married more into a into a solidified 1025 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,560 storyline, I would have loved that. 1026 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:09,800 That trip to undermine, right. I think the raid was like solid 1027 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,040 like I know you you in mythic land screaming about all the all 1028 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,520 the walls and such. It did not have the same 1029 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,480 experience as me and my Kitty corner playing heroic and 1030 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,440 getting my OTC. But I enjoyed the raids both 1031 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,360 Nerubian palace and and undermine. 1032 00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:34,120 I don't think I like hated. I think it was fairly decent to 1033 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:38,400 do Manafort Omega. I thought that dementias was 1034 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,680 like an amazing cinematic achievement and was still a 1035 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,640 compelling boss on heroic again in my little Kitty corner of of 1036 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,240 the thing. I enjoyed the last two seasons 1037 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,160 of Mythic Plus and even in the first season when I was getting 1038 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,640 my like teeth kicked in because of different things, I still 1039 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:02,480 engaged with it. It wasn't like, I think what was 1040 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,680 the one beguiling, I think it was season 3 of BFA where I was 1041 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,760 like, this is this is trash, this is garbage. 1042 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,240 This is this is pulling my teeth out. 1043 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,360 I'm only doing this because I want the gear, right? 1044 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,680 I didn't have that same reaction to season 1 of the War Within, 1045 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,040 nor anything in Dragonflight, which was on a fairly similar 1046 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,640 cadence. So I would say that like, even 1047 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,360 if they made things that I disliked, it wasn't because the 1048 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,560 quality was shit. It was because I didn't like the 1049 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:34,720 direction that I chose. Yeah, that's right. 1050 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,280 Sorry I I went on a rant Soapbox Lex, what do you think? 1051 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,400 It's OK. Yeah, I mean, I I kind of, I 1052 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,600 feel like I think I agree with with both of you. 1053 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:56,240 I also rolled my eyes real hard at the at the no corners cut, no 1054 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,880 compromise in terms of what we're delivering. 1055 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,280 And also there was there was a line that Holly had of like we 1056 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,280 knew if we released housing, we had to make sure it was great 1057 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,520 because we don't release things that aren't great. 1058 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,320 Like that's not who we are as a company. 1059 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,040 And I was like, Oh yeah, like, for example, we would never 1060 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:17,360 release a, you know, super cut and paste pre patch where you 1061 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,120 can teleport other people to Dornigal, right? 1062 00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,200 Like I, I, I think and, and a lot of that is just that it kind 1063 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,080 of came out in a, in a rough point right when they just had a 1064 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,320 pretty rough. Beating. 1065 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:39,400 With the pre patch, I guess I yeah, I, I, I do feel like the 1066 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,560 fact that everything has gotten kind of shallow and mid is a 1067 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,200 corner cut. I feel like the fact that the 1068 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:49,440 story doesn't make sense is a pretty big Horner cut. 1069 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,520 Like, I, I know you literally just said this, Manning, but 1070 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:57,120 yeah, the fact that we had an entire storing section, an 1071 00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,880 entire patch, I guess, where the whole point was that we were 1072 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,440 learning that the Nauruvian culture is this really complex 1073 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,680 and thought out and, you know, political world. 1074 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:13,120 And then we took out the power who had full, like essentially 1075 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,920 full control over the entire thing and. 1076 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,520 And then that was the Nerubian Spy kids. 1077 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,960 Like that's exceptionally weak story tile telling. 1078 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,600 That's just, you can't just tell me half a story and then drop it 1079 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,960 once you make it interesting. So I I do also take issue with 1080 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,480 the idea that World of Warcraft as it is now is precisely as 1081 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,400 thought out and well done as it's been in the past. 1082 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,480 I mean, it's as thought out and as well done as like the middle 1083 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,000 patch of Warlords of Draynor. It's as thought out and well, 1084 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:54,200 well done as Azerite armor in the first little first little 1085 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,280 bit of BFA. Like we've had so many faux pas. 1086 01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,840 Yeah, it does happen. Just how condensed does it need 1087 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,360 to be before you say, hmm, quality's sort of slipping here. 1088 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,360 Right. Exactly, Exactly. 1089 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,600 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, neither of those 1090 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,520 are hailed as successes, and neither of them were followed by 1091 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,600 Ian saying, hey, we got it. We nailed it. 1092 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,720 No quality drop here. You know, nobody came away after 1093 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,880 Warlord and said listen guys, we got this shit figured out. 1094 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,000 Which is I, I think, I think as as much as I was saying like, 1095 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,160 oh, I guess it was really bad timing of like when it came out 1096 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,280 in terms of the pre patch being really poorly received and you 1097 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,800 know, people having all these complaints. 1098 01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:37,000 There's kinds of counterpoint to that is if you're saying you 1099 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:42,920 listen to your players and you like players are not happy with 1100 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,960 you right now, how are you going to come out and do an interview 1101 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,880 where you say, yeah, where you say, Yep, we're doing. 1102 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:53,040 There's no change in quality. Well, I think that's another 1103 01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:57,080 point that they kind of brought up which like, you know, not to 1104 01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,960 like point at any any of us here or maybe to point at all of us 1105 01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:02,360 here. But like, they talked about how 1106 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,840 they're not just listening to the loud people on the Internet. 1107 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,320 They're also like watching what players are engaging with and 1108 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,080 such. And they were talking about how 1109 01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:16,200 delves are one of like the most welcomed additions to the game 1110 01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,640 that people are engaging with it at such a level. 1111 01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,720 And I know for two out of three of us, like that is not a 1112 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:29,200 reality. So like this like like even with 1113 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,640 this show trying to represent all different viewpoints, 1114 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:38,680 sometimes some viewpoints kind of get shouted down by like a 1115 01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:45,040 over representation and they can be well, like the game might be 1116 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:49,280 just doing more block blockbuster than we thought, but 1117 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,040 you're just not hearing it from like the belly ours and the 1118 01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,320 cartridge Bros and the Shawn's of the world. 1119 01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,640 Those are both me. I I was once told by a very 1120 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,160 smart man who invited me to be a Co host on a podcast with him 1121 01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,440 that we should not mistake engagement with enjoyment. 1122 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,400 So just because something is very popular and everyone is 1123 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,560 doing it doesn't mean they're having fun. 1124 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,000 There's a lot of people doing pre batch event right now. 1125 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,240 If you go on Twitch they're all doing it. 1126 01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,440 They're farming it endlessly and saying how miserable they are. 1127 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,480 Lots of people engaging with it. I would say other than myself, 1128 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,640 nobody enjoying it. Well, I, I don't mean to argue 1129 01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,160 against Lex's wise words there, but I think that their metrics 1130 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,160 are probably a little bit more in depth than that it. 1131 01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,960 Wasn't Lex Manny. I just think so that like Ian's 1132 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,040 statement there that what I want to highlight like this tooth 1133 01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,560 like I I really do want to highlight. 1134 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,200 I think it's super important and and impressive that they're 1135 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,840 going to be able to launch midnight on time without having 1136 01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,240 crunch in overtime. And I think that's huge and I 1137 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:04,280 love it And that's, I think I just want to end it there. 1138 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,440 That's. All I whatever misgivings we 1139 01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,080 have which we could go into at length, I'm glad that it's being 1140 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,080 done without crunch and therefore absolutely my 1141 01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,360 complaints that I could levy. I want to leave leave on the 1142 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,720 floor for now, but I'll bring it up in another episode. 1143 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:24,080 Yeah, yeah. And that was it, that from the 1144 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,040 interview. Other than that, and the last 1145 01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:30,680 thing from the interview is that I would watch Holly Longdale 1146 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:35,760 read the back of a cereal box. She her energy, her absolute 1147 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,920 passion and joy for this game is so infectious. 1148 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,240 She got done talking about classic Wow. 1149 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,760 And I messaged friend of the show Nick, and I said, I think I 1150 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,600 want to play classic. And he was like, you don't. 1151 01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,400 It will pass. Yeah. 1152 01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:54,240 He's right, I don't. But Holly is so, so convincing. 1153 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,200 I was like, man, she's right. Classic is awesome. 1154 01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:05,240 I do think that that was cool, a little tidbit that the classic 1155 01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:09,440 audience and the modern audience have very little overlap. 1156 01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:14,560 We have seen people where they're like, oh, come on, 1157 01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,680 Blizzard, why are you releasing like Myst, Myst Classic and 1158 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:23,120 Anniversary and blah, blah, blah within two weeks of each other. 1159 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,880 I can't play them all. And I think that is, again, some 1160 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,680 of us terminally online people that are like, I just want 1161 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,320 something to stream that everybody's hyped about rather 1162 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,000 than like the fact that the audience just does not overlap. 1163 01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,760 That did also make a lot of sense to me. 1164 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,240 I think I should have realized that there just wasn't a lot of 1165 01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:45,080 overlap between classic and retail because I was 1166 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:49,080 consistently perplexed about the concept of classic because I was 1167 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:50,720 like it. They keep putting out all this 1168 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,200 content and hyping it up with such a major game mode. 1169 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,200 And I don't know anyone who plays classic. 1170 01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,240 Like I play World of Warcraft and I cannot think of one person 1171 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,920 that I play with also maybe think of one, but like nobody 1172 01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,480 plays classic on a regular basis. 1173 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,160 How is this getting as much attention? 1174 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,360 And the fact that these are just two completely separate 1175 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,080 audiences. So yes, me playing World of 1176 01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,640 Warcraft retail, I don't know anyone who plays classic because 1177 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,120 they're all in a different community and they're different 1178 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:20,920 people and they're playing a different game and they're not 1179 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,120 also playing retail. Kind of made it click for me of 1180 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:29,640 why it just felt so I I I just didn't understand where the. 1181 01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:31,960 The hype and the money feels so disconnected. 1182 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,520 Is it because you are? Because they're in their own it. 1183 01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,080 Might as well be League of Legends. 1184 01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:37,680 Like, what do you mean? Why is League of Legends? 1185 01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,200 I don't know anybody who plays League of Legends. 1186 01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:42,680 That's it. It's the same thing. 1187 01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,080 Yeah, I do know people who play League of Legends. 1188 01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,960 They're awful people, but yeah. My best friend plays League of 1189 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,160 Legends but she feels the same. Yeah. 1190 01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:56,280 One day I will tell you there is this gold I was dating that was 1191 01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:03,000 trying to get me into League and it was it was anyways I I with 1192 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,840 cues of feeding. I did never want to play again. 1193 01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:12,440 I don't know what that means. I know what feeding is, I do 1194 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,360 that regularly, but I don't know what that means. 1195 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,840 Well, I'll tell you about that in the after show. 1196 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:19,680 No, I don't know. I like being ignorant. 1197 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,560 I like not knowing it's. OK, you like you like your 1198 01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:23,680 blissful ignorance. Got it. 1199 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:29,120 But I hope that you guys have enjoyed this conversation. 1200 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,080 There is more to come. As I said, do pay attention to 1201 01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,760 everything that's being put out there. 1202 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:40,520 If you are trying to learn your class, maybe don't take it so, 1203 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,760 so seriously. You still got a lot that is 1204 01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,640 coming in and a lot that's changing on the on the beta. 1205 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:51,200 Just get yourself comfortable with like a proper UI and such. 1206 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,920 Now that most of that has now been locked down, they're not 1207 01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:58,280 going to be touching that till the .5 patch, which means add on 1208 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,920 authors kind of had the stability to release tools 1209 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,480 knowing that it's not going to change on them super quick. 1210 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,520 Now's the time to sort of get your footing, not get into the 1211 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,320 weeds. But until next time guys, may 1212 01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,360 all your hits be crits.