I am on my knees begging you do this for every pre patch event.
This is perfect. Victory for the Forsaken.
For Lauderon. For the Kieran Tour.
For Pandaria. For.
Calendar to. The burning region for Gilnaeus,
but has not died, for the Lich King, for the Sindori.
For the Alliance, for the. Horn for Azeroth.
Hello. And welcome back to another
episode of For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, Manny,
AKA the Truvo Manny. And we have pantominding in the
corner. Elect rants.
Was talking to my dog. Oh, she's doing very good.
She was very crazy. It was finally warm enough to
take her for a long walk today, which was a miracle.
But it did mean that we got home from our second long walk of the
day. And she was like, I want to play
forever. It's time to play forever.
And I said, no, baby, you need to take a nap.
I know you and I know right now what you need to do is take a
nap. And she said, no, what I need to
do is tear holes in the carpet. So we had to have a little
conversation about what is and it's not appropriate behavior in
the house. But then she took a nap.
And I mean, this is going to blow your mind.
She really needs to take a nap. What?
Right, Lex knows best. Also, the other voice that
you're hearing, and I don't want to keep you out of the
conversation too long, is Sean. Hello, Sean, How are you?
I'm manning my teacup matches my hoodie tonight.
No, they're both teal. I really thought that was the
white teacup and the hoodie was reflecting off of it.
And I was about to, like, explain color theory to you, and
then that makes sense. Yeah.
Well, it's also got the white interior, which matches the
white of the Honda symbol and the text.
So it's it's really, really matching.
There you go. Yeah, I'm all lined up.
OK. So John, you're coordinated.
And I guess that kind of touches on the first little bit of news
that we have today for all of you who were left in clown suits
from the new change over to transmog, if you log into the
game recently, you should have noticed that you can now get one
free outfit transmog per character.
Now there are some bugs that were reported about it, one
being that even if it is technically free, you would
still need the gold in your character's bag to cover it or
in the war bank. It is still free though, and it
is something that you can hold off using.
When you do actually set up your transmog, it will say, do you
want to use your free change or do you want to use the gold?
That's good because there was like a little change that I
wanted to do to my current transmog, like one or two items
and I didn't want to use my free one on that.
And I really love that they've put it in.
It also means that this is something that they could do
later on. It's just like a hey guys, we
had an issue. Everybody gets a free transmog
sort of thing, like it's actual UI setup and stuff for it.
So that seems a little bit more forward thinking.
My boost to level like that every expansion basically at
this point they give you a boost and I have like 3 just sitting
there. This is going to be me and my
Transmox. I'm just going to have it like
stacked up like every error they do.
They're like, here's another free transmog on 50 in the bank.
I'd like to see them offer it every time maintenance is
extended and the crawfish complained online that they
should have a refund on their game time 'cause they had to
wait an extra 3 hours to play. I'd like to see Blizzard go.
You're right, we're sorry. Here's a free trans mug.
Oh, for. Anybody who's.
Not. Yeah, for anybody who's not
familiar, you may hear me use the term crawfish.
I have stopped, sorry. Previously I would refer to
angry people online as bots, but I don't think that's fair to the
bots. And in my head now I've started
to picture them as crawfish. Tiny little crawfish at the
bottom of the ocean with little cell phones just angrily tapping
away with the crawfish fingers. And they're mad at us because
they know they're going to get boiled and eaten.
Sean aren't Crawfish River. I have.
I have no idea. I don't eat insects of the
ocean. Considering that crawfish are
used a lot in Louisiana and I don't know that to be ocean.
Louisiana in the Gulf. Coast in Iowa.
Hurricane, Iowa. Destroyed it.
I thought it was like a along the river where they would like
get up crawfish. And lobsters are oh, I'm gonna.
Oh, the lobsters. Are definitely.
Oceanic. All right, well.
Alexa's looking, I think, these people.
You're crawfish people, you angry little crawfish.
OK, so crawfish are freshwater little guys that are common in
Louisiana. You have spine.
You have. Yeah, dude, you.
They're like spine lobsters are sometimes called sea crawfish.
I'm OK, this is AI. I should be looking at an actual
thing. But yeah, crawfishers are fresh
water, you fool. Also, they're cute and they're
little baby. So the bottom of a riverbed,
they're just angrily tapping away because it's Mardi Gras and
they know they're they're about to be eaten.
It makes sense. Makes sense?
Did I show you guys that my cup, my tea cup matches my hoodie?
Yes, I, I mean, I don't know what's the, what's that test
they did where like there was a bunch of animals in a bucket and
when one was trying to get away, the other ones would pull the
animal back down. That's.
Have I never used the phrase crab bucketing?
I use that like almost every day in my normal parlance.
OK. And no, I'm pretty sure.
OK. Well, yeah, I, I, I think the
crab. Yeah.
So, crabby, we're gonna go with crabs.
I love crabs too. They're also babies.
Can you guys pick an animal that's not a baby?
No, no, sorry, but crabs are like pulling everybody down,
even though they're like people could escape like the the
sadness at the bottom of the bucket.
They're like no, be be upset with me.
And that's what. You're gonna troll.
It actually is, I guess. We're back to bots so Lex won't
be mad at us. There's no love lost between me
and robots. Yeah, call them turtles.
No love lost between Lex and turtles.
Oh my God, I love turtles. I don't.
Understand. Would you say if you had to have
a chant, if there was like a Lex Ranch chant, would it be
turtles, Turtles rah rah rah? That you said that in a way that
makes me think that's a reference to something and I
don't know what it is and so I'm scared to make it a thing in
either. Way the turtles chocolates in in
in the states. It's a Canadian.
It's a Canadian person from when I was young.
I love turtles. Yeah.
Yeah, OK. All right, Canadiana.
All right. I'll send you a link later.
Lexi, Yeah. Actually, I guess that kind of
segues into the next big thing. We got a little bit of an
announcement. Sean, do you want to talk about
something a little bit Canadian that we've got to announce?
Yes, it is officially official. Now we can talk about North Rend
Live, which is a Canadian Community of Warcraft event that
is backed by Blizzard. It's not.
I definitely don't want to sell it as a it's not a Blizzard
event. Yeah, it's a community event.
N Rend Live is a community event.
Pika TV Kess Live, Manny Pika's brother Squirtle and myself.
Pika had this idea to start this convention.
He put this team of superheroes together to build it and then
when we reached out to Blizzard, Blizzard said yeah, we could
definitely get down to support that.
So it's a it's a community driven event with Blizzard
support N Red Live taking place in Toronto, ON on February 21st.
The doors open at 11:00 AM Eastern Standard Time and I
think they close at 6:00 PM Nineteen Plus because there will
be alcohol available on the premises.
We're going to have void themed entrance.
We're going to have a housing photo booth and there will be
imagery of Warcraft along all the walls, as well as a live
stream event that will be taking place at the venue.
So live in person at the venue, but it'll be streamed to both
Pika TV's Twitch channel and the Warcraft Twitch channel with
lots of giveaways. You're going to see an interview
by myself with a dev whose name I don't have in front of me, but
who we do know is a housing dev. I'm so sorry.
Not Jesse Kerlinchek, but another one.
It's the only housing dev's name right now.
And then we're going to have the Raiderio Decor Gala Housing
competition, which is currently happening right now.
You can go and vote. There are 20 submissions.
You can vote for your top six favorite, or just one if you
only want to vote for one or two or three or whatever, but you
can vote for up to 6. The six finalists will be judged
live on stage by a panel for the winner.
And some of the prizes from that are those Home Sweet home mugs,
which everybody wants that didn't get when they were
because they only went to content creators.
If Manny shows his, I'm going to scream.
Manny. Manny got one.
Manny. Manny's got a beautiful one.
I wish you had just warned me before I showed it.
And then we will have a faction feud.
We're going to have our own very own game show faction Feud,
which is a riff on Family Feud, if you're familiar with that.
We have a Horde team versus an Alliance team.
That's going to be a lot of fun. And then a jump puzzle
competition taking place after that.
Prizes throughout the whole day in person and online on the
stream. Make sure you check that out.
We will spread the word in our discord at pic dot LY slash fas
discord. It's on Twitter.
Boozer put a blog post everybody will be talking about, it will
be on the Radar IO main page and it will be a check off of one of
my goals for the year, which Full disclosure chat I knew was
going to happen when I made the goals.
Hey, listen, when when when you originally sat down and we're
like, what do you want to do? What goals you have?
We didn't know we were going to like, cross that off so early.
We knew there was a real good chance.
But when you originally, not when we made it on the show, but
when we originally like, hey, what do you want to do?
We're going to make it happen. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
So that's pretty exciting stuff. I'm looking forward to it and we
get to hang out with everybody. Everybody's coming in.
I is coming, Dan's flying over Mr. GM from from London, Kira
the Dark Blade cosplay is coming up from Florida.
We have a ton of Canadian content creators, Tactics,
Abadon, Jeddeth, Jericho, Ren, my friend Ren is flying in from
Alberta, Hula from BC is coming. A lot of folks coming from New
York, coming from everywhere. And most importantly, Manny will
be there. I will finally be able to cash
in on my 17 Ode hugs. I will be spacing the Moat over
the three days. Or maybe I'll take them all at
once. It's hard to say.
Nobody really knows. So I'm, I am excited for that.
There's like going to be a lot going on, a lot of people that
we want to meet. Sad that we could not trickle X
in the coming. She she already used up her
Canadian trip before Christmas. So not to forget that.
For Azeroth, hosts can be in the same space at once.
Rule of the universe. Like anytime an event occurs,
only two of us can go at one time.
And unfortunately, I drew the short straw.
Sadness. But of course that means that
Blitz gone. There'll still be two of you. 2
of you there. That'll be awesome.
I'm really glad we got to do this because I was like, I'm not
driving to the States, so I made BlizzCon come to us.
That's. Right, we're having Blizz can we
got Blizz can at home. No, no, they they vetoed that
name. Oh yeah, they did.
We actually, I don't know for that to say that I that was one
of the names we suggested. And Blizzard did have some say
over the naming of the event, of the venue of the event.
And when we suggested Blizz can, they were like, hey, we love it,
but you can't use that. And to to the red shirt guy, if
you're within the sound of my voice, we understand that N rend
is gonna be in the last Titan. This is purely Canadian and N
rend being oh did did he? Comment I didn't even see that
on Twitter. No, that was on Blue Sky.
He's he's off Twitter. Oh, so nobody saw it?
Apparently I did, so there you go.
Two people on Blue Sky are manual.
Shirt Oh blue sky saw it. Both of the both of the blue
skiers saw it OK anyways. So there you go.
Yeah. So we're excited about that, but
let's talk about some more things.
World of Warcraft in game. This is the 3rd week of
endeavors, the second week of the pre pre patch event and we
are closing in on midnight. There's been a lot of
adjustments that they've been making to stuff on the beta, so
I'm going to suggest to people it's not time to learn your
class rotation. Some classes are getting changes
to their apex talents, some classes are getting changes to
their even their cooldowns like Resto shaman.
The very nature of how ascendance works has been
changed. So don't get comfortable guys.
A lot is still still happening, but I didn't want to take this
time to like kind of check in with you guys and see how you're
enjoying this pre patch, pre release situation because I
think the event itself is pretty trash.
But I am enjoying housing and the other things that have been
put forward, which is kind of balancing out a bit.
Like are you guys taking the time to do any kind of housing
to do the endeavors? Or is that something that you
kind of just ridden off as not really for you?
I guess that question is kind of pointed at you, Lex.
I did the 50 tic tac toe achievement because you taught
me how to do tic tac toe and win Manny Yeah, I'm heavily in break
mode. I wanted to log in for the pre
patch event and it pissed me off so bad.
I did one day of it and I was like, simply now, which probably
gonna make me sad when I don't have a cute little amount and a
cute little title, but I don't at this point.
I understand they've nerfed it, and I'm mad enough that they
opened it with what was such an odd, like a blatantly obvious
bad system that was not fun. And I I I say this knowing that
I am one of the only World of Warcraft players who doesn't do
two things at once and doesn't, like, watch Netflix while
everyone I'm playing the game. So maybe it's my own fault.
Maybe I need to learn to multitask, but I, I, I did that
one first day. I said this is stupid and I
have, I most likely will not be on until, well, we're going to
do one final run, one final run of Dimensius just to kind of
feel our glasses out a little bit.
And then I likely will not be on until official midnight release.
OK, OK. Jon, I fear that there might be
a similar answer from you. Well, I did the endeavors.
I'm done. I've done endeavors.
I don't have to do them again. I picked up enough sticks and
fixed enough fences to fill my bar exactly one time and that's
it. I'm endeavored out.
So endeavors are complete. I checked that.
I'm checking that box off Endeavors done.
I never have to do this again. I will collect my passive
endeavour points from doing dungeons and raids and what have
you and that will be that. I got as much in general from
that as I could, but I I got to be honest, the pre patch event
couldn't be more Sean coded. I love it.
It is almost identical to the Shadow Lands pre patch event
which took place in Ice Crown Citadel which I also loved.
I fly to a zone or to a spot, I wait for the mob to spawn, I
kill them up. I fly to the next spot, I wait
for the mob to spawn, I kill them up, rinse and repeat.
That's fantastic. Do you know how much work you
can get done in between rare spawns?
At 5 minutes of spawn, about 3 minutes of work.
It's pretty good. It's pretty good.
That's some some surfing, that's some shorts generating, that's
some text writing. I love it.
I think it's great if I don't. I never ever ever Blizzard.
If you're listening fast, if you're listening, I am on my
knees begging you do this for every pre patch event.
This is perfect because it's almost AF cable.
I have to engage with it almost not at all and that is
fantastic. I have almost completed all of
the trans Mon. You know what video aim is great
if you're literally not playing it.
If you're like, this is top tier because I'm not engaging with
it. I love those AFK warrior games,
they're fantastic. Yeah no, I love the pre budget.
I endeavors can get launched into the sun.
What a horrible experience that is.
I'll never do that again. But the pre batch event is
fantastic. Wow, that is diametric
opposition there. I cannot see you guys being
further apart. OK, that is insane.
That's the crazy. Man, you know my my joy of AFK.
Yeah, joy of AFK game modes. I'm I'm aware.
Yeah, I and honestly if I'm playing my rest of shaman I land
I don't I just hit healing totem healing stream totem once I
press 1 button and then I right click delete when it's dead and
it's great. I have it's so good for second
monitor gaming. I love it.
Wow, OK, there you go. I'd love to hear from our
audience because I don't think like this was not prepared ahead
of time. I had no idea that we would get
these two different reactions. So I'd love to hear from the
Fazzers out there. Let us know what you think where
sorry, where you weigh in on this.
You can get your conversation in at bit dot LY slash fast discord
or leave a comment we we do listen or read those as well,
but. You're not getting off the hook
here Manny. What about you?
What do you think about the pre batch event?
Oh, that's right. Yeah, true.
I didn't, I didn't say anything myself.
I so. Choose your favorite.
I, I think it's funny that you mentioned the repairing fences
and stuff because I was doing like the specific things for
like the theme of the events. So the generic stuff, I was
like, oh wow, OK, I can like clean some cobwebs or fix, fix a
fence. I'm glad that those are, those
are in there and I only found out about those like today.
I was doing nothing but the very specific ones.
I point towards your comment about how the endeavors can be
done passively. You don't have to actually like
spend spend the time, but I really love that they're not
capped anymore like they were at the beginning.
So like I'll be going to the Town Center to get some stuff
that I want from my house. I'll get some fresh paint
because I want to put up a paint and then the puppy will be there
or like the Meccano bottle be going around and spilling oil
and I'll be like, OK, let me just clean that up and pet the
pet, the dog and I'll get neighborly and stuff.
And it's just, it's a part of. As I'm doing stuff and I really
do like that that is there going through the portal to do the
endeavours. I basically did it a little bit
the first week and then I have just been getting it as I've
been gathering material to like work on professions for a
particular zone. I'll do it in the endeavour
zone. So I'll get more coupons that
way. But yeah, I've both my
neighborhoods are either maxed or next to maxed.
I've bought every single decor that that's available from all
four of the of the endeavors that are available now.
Because the great part about this is that people have been
putting up listings and saying like, hey, Max consortium, come,
come join, go to this neighborhood and I'll like jump
in, go to that. Some of them have fantastic
houses, like absolutely like jaw-dropping.
I can't believe how crazy this stuff is.
And so I've really enjoyed it for the social aspect.
And then I'll be, I guess on your side, Sean, where like I'll
just be able to do it passively when I don't have the time to do
such it the other way. So I think I like endeavors.
I think that if you are playing like Sean is or like I'm saying
that I'm going to, it is great for those people, but for the
people who want to actually like put the time in, it's 100% there
for them. So perfect, great way of great
way of putting together. As for the pre patch event, I'm
on Lex's side for this. Like this may in fact have been
one of the worst ones I have participated in, in terms of
engagement. And I can second screen it.
I ended up second screening for this one, but I specifically did
not engage it or touch it the first little bit, 'cause I'm
like, with everything Blizzard's putting out these days, they'll
put it out and then two days later be like, hey guys, we
fucked up. How could we know that this was
going to be absolute dog shit? I guess we're going to patch it
in so that it's it's less dog shit and then I'll I'll do it.
At one point I wasn't sure I was going to like get enough for the
mount initially. And I was like, you could
probably wait like calculate at this rate how much time I would
need to get it in under the wire and just wait for them to hot
fix it again to be like less brain dead.
But I think that it being nothing more than a second
screen events that you mostly AFK through to me is an
indictment. Like there was the initial
opening quest and I thought that that was annoying.
And then you get into the Highlands and I did the world
quest because those reward more than the the rares.
I killed the rares, the crossing them off the list so I could get
them out and and I went back as I was talking with Lex, I was
like, yeah, Lex, here's how you never lose that tic tac toe.
I can't say you you can always win, but you do you play tic tac
toe like this and you can never lose was what it was.
And then we, because I was there with Lex, I got the got the 50
for the achievement or a feat of strength.
But if I'm not being social like it, like when I went back, it
was because my friend wanted to go and we were just chatting.
And so that's what made it interesting hanging out with a
friend, not anything that the game was offering.
And I think that that's an indictment.
So I guess I'm split between you guys.
Manny, did you see the PC Gamer article?
I'm sorry, I was trying desperately to find the actual
headline so I could read it titled Wow's expansion pre patch
event has buffed its rewards after being a little stingy at
1st and I'm running out of ways to phrase these sorts of
headlines without plagiarizing myself.
No, I did not. But it's so true.
They've like and Ian has a coast.
It's not a direct quote, but it is something to the effect of we
want to be conservative at first because it's easier for us to
like open up the the floodgates than it is to like go back.
And to that I say take the time and do it right the first time
instead of constantly having to be like, whoops, sorry you got
there early. I guess you're going to have to
hope that it's something repeatable daily, because now
we're going to make it actually more worth your while to do, not
so tedious. Well, and also it's pre patch,
right? This is the time that like just
yeah, whatever man it gives a ton of currency see and everyone
feels like a God sick. Oh no, the world's going to end
pre patch was super generous. Call the police right and this
is I I I I'm sad. I am famously the pre I as a
child played obviously the Wrath pre patch which is the most God
tier pre patch that has ever occurred and then when I
returned to World of Warcraft after a long hiatus was right
before Legion pre patch. Which is also famously one of
the really gangbusters every time, eh?
That was amazing. Yeah.
So in my head, pre patch is
incredible. And so I am constantly
disappointed by pre patch. And the thing that frustrates me
the most about disappointing pre patches is like, it doesn't
matter, right? Because they in the sense of
like, it's it can be goofy. It doesn't have to be well
tuned. It can just be fun.
And they instead choose to be derivative and like it just
stingy and make it incredibly grindy.
And I what really frustrated me was like it was the the world
quests were some of the most copy paste world quests I've
seen in my life and they only had four.
And also they genuinely like at the beginning, they opened it up
with 10 minutes between spawn kills.
Like, yeah, maybe if this was the first time they'd ever
written a pre patch, they might have genuinely believed that
people were going to be happy with 10 minutes between spawn
like kills. But that gave us genuinely like
8 minutes between every kill to just sit on our butts because we
could not do literally anything because there were four world
quests and they all took about 5 minutes apiece.
So no, I was not, I was not happy in the beginning because
yeah, I, I, I feel like they do this every patch.
It's not like they don't understand the currency systems.
They don't know how much people are going to play.
They don't know how fast we kill ads.
Like, bro, it's the midnight pre patch.
We could have tuned it better. And I do it, it, it feels I'll
stop soapboxing in a minute, I swear.
But it does feel like kind of the point is to start
extraordinarily stingily and really slowly so then they can
fix it. As opposed to just like, yeah,
yeah, I'm. I'm with you many.
They knew. They knew that this was too
slow. They knew that this was not
enough money. They knew that this was going to
suck. Right.
It was slapped together and copy paste and simply the most
derivative thing I can imagine. Sorry, Sean.
I'm glad that you're having fun. I don't mean to yuck your Yum.
It's OK, it doesn't bother me. You're allowed to not like
stuff. I I not like, I not like stuff
all the time. That was good English.
I, I would have enjoyed it more like I think that all, all the
complaints that I just put aside, I think that if there was
just a story element that would have been enjoyable, that would
have bridged the gap a little bit more.
I I would have said, Oh yeah, this was just the busy work, but
the real pre patch was this cool thing we did.
But like I think that kind of got already done in the .7
patch. Like if I took that .7 story
where the least story was around and we had Air Thor and I just
transplanted it into this. I think all of my I would have
just completely ignored the faults with this 'cause I was
like this is what I got to enjoy as pre patch stuff.
And Manny they could have had the pre patch event been like
cleaning up the shadow lands. Wait why didn't they just do the
.7 as the pre patch? That would have been so much
cleaner and they would have had so many more opportunities.
And OK I don't know the lore well enough to know if this is
true, but I know I have heard completely.
Actually YouTube can tell me if I'm tripping out.
I clearly have been on World of Warcraft Reddit and they were
complaining about the fact that it doesn't, in their opinion,
make a ton of sense for Twilight Hammer to just suddenly be with
Zalitaf when they're historically Old God and Zalitaf
and Old God tend not to get along.
I don't know if that's true, I've only read Chronicles.
It there is thought for that, however, with all of the Old
Gods now dead, they're kind of rudderless and for them to latch
on to a former enemy, right? Isn't that contrived?
It's totally fine for them to be like, yeah, we want the end of
the world. The Old gods have failed, the
Old Gods are gone. All hailed Xalatath like that.
That doesn't seem like too far a stretch.
That was kind. Of my.
The Twilight Hammer is notoriously made-up of foot
fetishists, so. Oh yeah, that'll do it.
That also tracks. OK.
Can I I just have a question though, because I I have heard,
I know that I'm in the minority of people who like this pre
patch. Nobody, literally nobody that I
know likes this pre patch. Do you guys, are you really like
eager for a reason to log in and some long slog to do before a
new expansion launches? Do you not just want it to be
easily forgettable fun and? Goofy.
I want something silly. I want to play around.
It took me a while to figure out a word that Manny wouldn't have
to beep there. It's so sad.
Fuck it, you can say whatever you want.
Yeah, Whoa, Manny, this is a kids show.
Yeah, yeah. Keep going.
Think. Of the children.
Listen listeners. No listen family.
The episode where I was away and you just said no thing.
We did not curse once. There was not one F word.
I searched it. I checked no single, no F words.
Were sent no, but it was just like, whatever I'm like OK,
that's fine. I give up you guys.
Yeah. There were there were no F words
in that episode. Listen.
I know, listener, Listener XI know you listen with your kids,
and I want to apologize to you and your children for Manny's
foul language just now. Did you think we're allowed like
so many, we're allowed to get away with so many without an F?
Word an episode Yeah, one an. Episode.
That's why Sean's being really careful now.
That's why you're being really careful now.
I don't want to have to edit this later.
So there's two things that I think could make a really fun
pre patch 1 is just silly, goofy fun, right?
Like everyone remembers, everyone who plays Wrath
remembers and loves the Wrath pre patch, which for those of
you who either did not play or did not remember, that was the
one where like you spread plague, right?
You would turn into a zombie and then if you like ran around
other people, you would give them plague.
And they're like, it was. And the people who didn't want
to get plagued were freaking out about how to avoid the plaguey
people. And those of us who were plagued
were like trying to spread it to as many people as possible.
It was dumb, it was goofy, it was ridiculous, it didn't
matter. It was to this day one of the
memories of World of Warcraft that sticks out in my head.
It's the most fun I have had playing this video game.
Like it was just sheer chaos for the sake of chaos.
The other thing that can make to me a pre patch fun is some
degree of adventure, I guess. I think that's what I really
liked about Legion, right? So I'm now these are the two pre
patches that I will forever say were some of the best.
Legion was really fun because it was a exciting event.
It was very structured where it was going to be, but you did
have to move, right? So the travel time took up most
of your time that you were waiting for things to occur.
In my memory at least, it was an excellent leveling activity.
Like you just that's how I got my first Max level character.
This is when I was a role player and the events were rigid enough
that you kind of got into the rhythm, but there was enough to
do and enough excitement that you could really feel like you
were playing a game and having fun.
The stages were there to to like, kind of give you
structure, but it was crazy and wild and everybody was pouring
in and such. Yeah.
Right. And I do feel like some of the
the most fun I have in World of Warcraft in general in a way
that I I feel like I haven't necessarily felt quite as much
recently, but I felt a ton during Legion, which maybe just
means I've gotten jaded since that was when I kind of came
back in. But anyway, was just the joy of
all of us are working together. We're not necessarily
interacting, but there's so many people here and we are all
engaging in one big task as a community.
It felt very communal. It felt very alive.
That was also why I think I had so much fun with the, you know,
soup, the, the, the Stew quests, right?
Like that sort of nobody's taking it super seriously, but
everyone is getting engaged and everyone is having a really fun
time and everyone is digging into it as a group and as a
community. I have a lot of fun with that.
And I think that's a great thing for pre patch to really bring
that energy in life. And I think that isn't really in
this one. I think it's just, you know,
we're all flying to the spot and sitting there and then pressing
buttons until the thing dies. And it's not a complex enough
fight that it's really like taking up a lot of brain power.
And so it's kind of just I'm gonna go and I'm gonna press my
healing totem and call it A tag. Yeah, I, I would say that I
liked Legion because of the Broken Shore event that was like
big like like scenario sort of thing.
I was like, oh cool. Like does the Legion coming back
OK, and now I'm hyped for the expansion sort of thing.
Also Legion had like much like this huge sweeping class
changes. This was when like
specializations really started differing from one one another.
So that was exciting a novel and such.
The other part of of pre expansion stuff that I like is
the kind of limited time events and stories.
I don't think that Cataclysm had like the most amazing story
stuff. Like it was just like elementals
attacking the main main city, utterly forgettable.
But it also had the like reclaiming Nomurion and the and
the like liberation of the, the echo aisles.
And that I thought that was great to have that little story
story moment to push forward like the the like Azeroth stuff,
even if you never came back to it, like unfortunately for
Mechagon, still contaminated, but at least we, we don't have
the like meme of they've never tried to get it back.
The and it also made sense when Cataclysm changed the world.
It's like, hey, yes, you get to be on Echo Isles now because
they've reclaimed it and they've rebuilt that sort of stuff.
So I think as world workout, as a living world, that kind of
stuff would be, would be great. So that's it.
I think those are the things where as you were doing these
pre expansion events, they should be for all different
types of players, not just the players who are doing work.
And just, you know, on the second computer having the
little tipping dodo bird tap the five to drop their healing
stream totem. So they get get events, they get
experience. I'd like something where I could
be like, OK, let me do a fun event, not necessarily a big
involved challenging event, but just a fun event to get me in
the mindset of coming back to this game.
That's what I would want from the pre expansion.
But that's all that we're going to talk about pre expansion
because there's a general how the World Warcraft is moving
forward. And it was an amazing article
about that that came and it came out.
This was with Ian Hasikosis, Holly Longdale, and I apologize
I forget who the third person was.
The interviewer. It was the, no, I thought there
was a third person other than them, but yeah, I guess it was
the interviewer. Yeah, OK, It was the
interviewer. So this was generally about like
these big changes coming to World of Warcraft, how housing
came. It came to be over the course of
many expansions how they are broadening the appeal of World
of Warcraft and making it something that is, again, they
say this a lot, but listening to their audience, but not just
listening to the people who are terminally online like yours
truly, but the people based on like their play habits, what
they engage with, what they don't engage with, what makes
the game accessible, fun, something that people can come
back to. And I thought this was like a
really good light interview. It's not going to give you a
bunch of spoilers of what's coming in Midnight or Last
Hiding or Beyond, but it does put a lot of context on to what
we've we've been seeing from the team.
So one thing that was talked about was that they've empowered
their team with leadership and you have seen that as we've gone
through the interviews, you've seen people with their titles
changing and we now have a directorial team instead of just
one lead, lead director, they are leading multiple teams.
We've heard Holly Longdale talk about the live team, the team
that was working on the War Within that is now working on
the Last Titan, The the team that is a separate team that is
now working on Midnight that we're going to be enjoying
really soon. From this interview, what did
you guys think were like some good takeaways?
I'm going to throw this one first to you, Sean.
There's a few things. There was one thing I'm pretty
sure Holly confirmed we're going to get a Blizzard television
show. She specifically called out how
she feels the Warcraft IP has been underutilized and how they
don't want to just be an MMO at Microsoft.
So I mean, that could mean other types of games in with the
Warcraft IPI mean we have heard stone, we had war cover and all
that kind of stuff. We could maybe get an RTS at
BlizzCon, who knows. But I think it's sort of leans
to maybe seeing a television because they talk about
branching out to new audiences, bringing in new players, new new
viewers, new new people with the IPI think that means television
show. I think that's good.
There was a couple of quotes. I do want to talk about that TV
show before you dive into something further.
What do you think about a conflict of story 'cause if you
have a Warcraft TV show, do events in that show need to be
reflected in the game? Do things in the game that need
to be reflected in the show? What like do you think that that
would create a a narrative conflict?
No, you do the if you do a Warcraft show and it's not the
story of Arthus, you've made a huge mistake and it will flop.
Literally, literally just do the story of Arthus.
So. I can I be so so controversial.
I'm so fucked. Sorry.
We we did our one FF word. I'm so sick of Arthus.
I'm so over it. I I have it has been beaten over
my head. I like I'm I'm so done with him.
If I have to hear the name of Arthus one more time, I'm going
to lose my mind. I personally, I think I've
argued this on the show before. I think the take away we should
have from the Warcraft movie is that trying to present
Warcraft's storyline, it's just too complicated and there's too
much. And so you're going to feel
thrown in. The ending's not going to be
very satisfying. And it's just it's it's going to
be so much just let's recreate Chronicle, but or like like
let's recreate this one specific game and not worry about the
fact the beginning doesn't make sense.
I also thought that they're definitely that comment very
much felt to me like they're talking more movies and more TV
shows. I really strongly believe if
they do that, I think you're probably right, Sean.
I think I am one of the few people who's so sick of the name
Arthur and I think they they are going to milk that cow until it
dies. But if I had a say in this, I
really think the way they avoid the narrative overlap is this is
a Side Story, right? I don't want to hear about the
main characters. I want to hear about the main
characters of World of Warcraft. I play World of Warcraft, right?
I read the books, I get into that.
I want ATV show that's like somebody in Elwyn Forest, right?
I, I want to see someone dealing with cataclysm as a, you know,
a, a soldier, like, how is this changing their life?
Like I, I want those really beautiful little side stories
that everyone loves in the, the, the game.
I want that to be the focus so that you could have a genuine
beginning, middle and end. It doesn't conflict with the
main story. You don't have to worry about
them Brett conning a bunch of stuff later.
And it can just be its own little unique story that
somebody who's nobody who has never played the game can enjoy
without getting confused. I have a hard truth for you,
Lex, and every Warcraft fan who, like myself, is desperate for a
television show. Oh yeah, we are not the target
audience. It's the goal if if they're
doing it, there is no money. In producing an animated series
television show, Arcane lost tons of money.
They lost so much and converted almost none of the viewers into
gamers in in riots in League of Legends.
So if they're you doing Warcraft television series, it is
strictly a marketing element used to bring new people into
the Warcraft space to entice them to play the game.
So it's 'cause you, you're probably not.
I don't think you're alone. You said you might be alone, but
I don't think I think there are lots of people who are tired of
the, the, the name Arthus, but they need to lead with their
strongest story to bring in new people, to see the universe, to
fall in love with the universe and bring them in.
You don't lead with side stories, cause who can't?
Like how is somebody who's never played the game before going to
care what's happening in Ellwyn Forest?
They don't mean Ellen Forest doesn't mean anything to them,
you know what I mean? You lead with the big the big
hits. That's fair.
But I do, I, I, I would worry if they did artists that that's so
far removed from the main storyline that somebody's going
to go in. They can be like how cool, it's
the cool artist story. And they're going to be like,
yeah, that was 2 decades ago. Like we had a whole moment where
Sylvanus was like, and he's finally gone, right?
Like man's dead man is dead as a doornail.
But no. And I, I think more so like I'm
imagining almost alike. Yeah, I guess I, I don't know.
I don't know what they do. I think that they are going to
try to do ATV show. I'm scared they're going to go
the same direction as the movie and bite off more they can chew
and make it more fan service than anything.
I don't want another movie The I enjoyed the Warcraft movie but
Warcraft's lore and history and back story is too dense for a
movie as we saw. I think it was.
The movie was good if you are already a fan of Warcraft but if
you're not which I guess that's their their target.
I mean, Holly specifically talks about branching out and reaching
new people, new viewers, new eyes.
So they're not targeting us. It's we're all going to watch it
and and, and love it and pick it apart and do what we do with
everything Warcraft related, you know?
Oh, did Richard Nack write this? It's awful.
Just I'm just kidding. That's a that's a joke.
That's an inside joke because Lex hates Richard Nack.
That's all that is, that's. He's joking.
Not me, not I'm kidding. Richard is a more talented
person than I'll ever be in my entire life.
The man's creating things that I will never dream of.
Yeah, also a joke, please, if you're listening, we.
Damn, I almost had that interview with Richard Nath
lined up. Now we'll never get it.
Yeah, I will never get them. Yeah, they're not.
I don't think they're targeting us.
They're they're targeting people that aren't in the space that.
So they're going to have to make it as simple as possible.
You could even start at the very beginning, you know, and tell
them, make them fall in love with Azeroth for a reason.
Show them. Maybe we could follow Torelian
from his beginnings as a simple orphan.
OK, not to. Be not to be continuous.
Again, Sean, they're not make it for us.
Stop it. They're not make it for us.
Let me OK OK fast NAV if you are involved and there is ATV show
and you guys are thinking of starting with original Warcraft
lore. As someone who just read Beyond
the Dark portal, it's not appealing old Warcraft storyline
is it? It's nostalgia fun.
It's the modern Warcraft lore has brought a lot of nuance to
the story writing process that makes it significantly more
palatable to modern audiences. Let's put it like that.
I would say that I agree with both your takes for different
reasons. Think marketable and profitable
and drawing people in is very much going to be part of the
decision making process like Sean is saying.
But I don't think that excludes what you're saying Lex.
I think that if you are to do this like Saturday morning
cartoons to get people to buy in and I'm not saying that I'm not
saying that this show would be a Saturday morning cartoon.
I'm just saying that like originally Saturday morning
cartoons, for those people who don't know, Saturday morning
cartoons were were invented as a vehicle to sell toys.
The He Man toys existed and then they meet the He Man show to
sell the toys, Transformers existed and then they meet the
Transformers show to sell Transformers and so on and so
forth. If you're of that mind, if
you're some studio exact and be like, we got to sell people on
the Warcraft IP so that they'll jump into Hearthstone, so that
they'll jump in the World of Warcraft and we'll get them
hooked. I got something for the after
show about that, but we'll leave that specifically for the after
show. I think that you sell people on
archetypes, you sell people on the experience.
You don't need to have Arthus, but you should have a death
knight. Like if there is an episode and
a death knight rolls into town and it's just like, Oh my
goodness, how are we gonna deal with this guy?
And and then people are like, Oh my gosh, I gotta I gotta get me
one of those. I gotta roll myself a death
knight. That does the effect.
But you, it's a question about artistic, artistic values.
It's it's a question about where you put it in.
And I think to Lexus point, if you do something that is that
you're starting from Page 1 and we're on page 9,000,067.
There's too much of A disconnect there as well.
You can't really have stories about like Ghoul Dan and stuff.
And then people come to the game.
It's like, but what happened to Gulen?
Oh, he's dead, and then he came back and then he's dead again.
Like people will just be like, OK, you know what, forget it,
never mind. So you have something that is
more contemporary. You have it that touches on
contemporary themes. And you could even do something
where it's like, hey, we're going to have the adventures of
the Wellikre or the the expedition or something.
You have, just like they have in Hearthstone, you have Sir
Merkelton as one of the characters and blah, blah, blah.
And, and they can do stuff. I don't know what the what the
level of appeal is, but you can have successful shows that
aren't exactly the storyline. Like people love the Witcher up
until they can the actor and they hired the the TV version of
the actor. But the Witcher was good and got
people interested into like older games and such and more
contemporary versions of it. I think that there are much
there are similar things. Arcane was expensive, but as
Goblin's graphics is saying in in chat, there was merch sales,
there was other stuff to help off offset that.
It's the first time I've actually looked at League and
they're not done with it yet. They're they're doing a new
series and probably they'll retool it so it's not as
expensive. But getting that IP, getting
that brand out there to reinvigorate an audience
sometimes might be worth a little bit of a loss leader.
Well an Arcane was unique because it was so strikingly
different from League of Legends right?
Like if you love Arcane, to my understanding as somebody who
has not watched Arcane and also has not played League of
Legends. But my understanding from the
people who have done both is that loving Arcane has no
overlap with the way that you play League of Legends.
Storylines are different and League is not a like yes the all
the characters have story and those characters are in the game
and in the show, but it's like a alternate version of those
characters and the game isn't a story driven game whatsoever.
Right. We should watch season 1.
Season 1 is very good. You could skip season 2.
I've been told. I've been told I really need to
watch Arcane. I've been told it's incredible.
Hey, I haven't watched the Warcraft movie and I'm sure
that's a cardinal sin on this show.
It's no, I mean. You're allowed to watch what you
want to watch, Manny you. When do you?
When would you find time to watch the Warcraft movie in
between all of your Universal Soldier 2 marathons?
I'm not going to lie, I think I would watch the Universal
Soldier 2 before I watch a workout.
Dude, the Warcraft movie is quite good.
It's it's very, very good. And they nail.
They nail the aesthetic. It it OK?
It's I, it's not as bad as people said it was.
I do think it's extremely dense. And me personally, as a reader,
I was like, I feel like I could get more if I just read the book
that I know this is based off of.
That said, yeah, I mean it. It's stunning, right?
I think, I wish they'd done. I wish the movie had been
better. I, I, I wish that it had been a
little bit lighter. I wish they thought a little bit
more about what story they were picking so that it did feel like
really the issue with the Warcraft movie, in my opinion,
is that it does not have a beginning and it does not have
an end. It is like just this random lore
chunk that, you know, you have to know a ton of stuff that
happened before it to even begin to understand it.
And the ending is deeply unsatisfying because it is part
of a storyline that goes on for like, again, two decades, Right?
So, but, but I, I, yes, sorry, you're right, John.
It's it's visually very, very appealing.
I say it's everything I like tonight.
That's OK. I.
Like like I would have like in terms of the chunk of storyline,
I would have like a story that is Cadgar realizing that Medeve
has like fallen from the path and gone evil.
And then it ending with like the opening of the dark portal or
Medeve going away right to then open the dark portal as like I
guess we lost but at least we saved the tower sort of thing.
And then post credits Mediva's like out there like what the
hell is going on sort of thing anyways.
Completely different thing. We should only talk about.
The rest of the interview? That was one point that John
made. Let's go.
I have another one, I have another one.
This one, this what bothers me a little bit.
So Ian made a comment that at one point I'm like, I'm going to
read this and Alexa's going to be like, oh man, that's sweet,
that's exactly what I want. And then on the other talk,
we're all going to be like, that's not exactly accurate.
So Ian mentioned that they're they're specifically talking
about the shift into the new development existence that we
have where they're on a strict 8 week cycle.
So Ian says Midnight will be the fastest expansion we've ever
made in terms of the gap between expansions.
We've had a regular eight week, content updates all along the
way, no corners cut, no compromises in terms of what
we're delivering and no sacrifices to quality.
We'll come back to this. And then he says, most most
importantly, this is the part that I think is important and
good to highlight. Most importantly, no sacrifices
to team health. I can truly say which may be a
rarity in the industry that's thankfully starting to change
more that this is an expansion that was made without crunch.
There was an expansion. This was an expansion that was
made without telling the team. All right, we need to come in
weekends and stay late. We did this smarter instead of
pushing our team in unsustainable ways.
At the end of the day, we're going to keep making this game
for years and decades. This is a marathon, not a
Sprint, and we need to treat it accordingly, both when it comes
to supporting our team and our players.
I unequivocally support that decision to say that there was
no drop in maybe have somebody come in one weekend, there was
drop to say that there was delivered that this, that they
have been delivering on this with no drop in quality.
I think if anybody who's played the game, who's logged in and
played the game in the last six months, I mean just listen to
the pre patch friend that you 2 described at the start of the
show that it doesn't feel genuine.
I felt the same way. I'm gonna push back on that
thing. I think the drop in quality it
has been how buggy things have come out, how broken things have
come out and how they've had to fix things after the the case,
like their conservative drop in like drop rates or timing and
stuff. I don't think that's a drop in
quality. That is just a decision that
they've made. I think that the that like the
systems that they are putting out are just designed to be more
shallow or designed to have less teeth, are designed to be just
less compelling. And that to me is the drop in
quality. It's the fact that like, even
though I didn't like Korthia, remember Korthia, remember how
much we didn't like Korthia, right?
I put that above like any .5 patch throughout the entirety of
the of The War Within and possibly Dragonflight.
I'm like my I'd have to stretch my memories, but all the .5
patches in my recent memory have been next to nothing.
Burgers have been what the hell is this?
And maybe part of that is that like, the story of the War
Within has been this fragmented, like shifting mess.
And that's not necessarily a quality thing.
But like, come on. When we had to go back to Arathi
because the Nerubians that are leaderless are doing a surge
invasion that leads to nothing again, wake me up.
When they and they only attack when Belladair is lit.
Right. Y'all could see it this thing in
the sky, right? Like they're major patches.
I, I loved all the major patches.
I think that they were incredibly solid.
I think the .7 patches. Choose to disagree.
I will say that the weakest of the of the major patches is
literally this last one going to Koresh and such.
I was like it did not interest me that much, but man did I love
the Galaggio undermine as an environment, as a as like a
theme and everything. You may have quibbles about
like, hey, like the story went off to thing that I've just
commented about, like the story kind of going off.
If like if that was married more into a into a solidified
storyline, I would have loved that.
That trip to undermine, right. I think the raid was like solid
like I know you you in mythic land screaming about all the all
the walls and such. It did not have the same
experience as me and my Kitty corner playing heroic and
getting my OTC. But I enjoyed the raids both
Nerubian palace and and undermine.
I don't think I like hated. I think it was fairly decent to
do Manafort Omega. I thought that dementias was
like an amazing cinematic achievement and was still a
compelling boss on heroic again in my little Kitty corner of of
the thing. I enjoyed the last two seasons
of Mythic Plus and even in the first season when I was getting
my like teeth kicked in because of different things, I still
engaged with it. It wasn't like, I think what was
the one beguiling, I think it was season 3 of BFA where I was
like, this is this is trash, this is garbage.
This is this is pulling my teeth out.
I'm only doing this because I want the gear, right?
I didn't have that same reaction to season 1 of the War Within,
nor anything in Dragonflight, which was on a fairly similar
cadence. So I would say that like, even
if they made things that I disliked, it wasn't because the
quality was shit. It was because I didn't like the
direction that I chose. Yeah, that's right.
Sorry I I went on a rant Soapbox Lex, what do you think?
It's OK. Yeah, I mean, I I kind of, I
feel like I think I agree with with both of you.
I also rolled my eyes real hard at the at the no corners cut, no
compromise in terms of what we're delivering.
And also there was there was a line that Holly had of like we
knew if we released housing, we had to make sure it was great
because we don't release things that aren't great.
Like that's not who we are as a company.
And I was like, Oh yeah, like, for example, we would never
release a, you know, super cut and paste pre patch where you
can teleport other people to Dornigal, right?
Like I, I, I think and, and a lot of that is just that it kind
of came out in a, in a rough point right when they just had a
pretty rough. Beating.
With the pre patch, I guess I yeah, I, I, I do feel like the
fact that everything has gotten kind of shallow and mid is a
corner cut. I feel like the fact that the
story doesn't make sense is a pretty big Horner cut.
Like, I, I know you literally just said this, Manning, but
yeah, the fact that we had an entire storing section, an
entire patch, I guess, where the whole point was that we were
learning that the Nauruvian culture is this really complex
and thought out and, you know, political world.
And then we took out the power who had full, like essentially
full control over the entire thing and.
And then that was the Nerubian Spy kids.
Like that's exceptionally weak story tile telling.
That's just, you can't just tell me half a story and then drop it
once you make it interesting. So I I do also take issue with
the idea that World of Warcraft as it is now is precisely as
thought out and well done as it's been in the past.
I mean, it's as thought out and as well done as like the middle
patch of Warlords of Draynor. It's as thought out and well,
well done as Azerite armor in the first little first little
bit of BFA. Like we've had so many faux pas.
Yeah, it does happen. Just how condensed does it need
to be before you say, hmm, quality's sort of slipping here.
Right. Exactly, Exactly.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, neither of those
are hailed as successes, and neither of them were followed by
Ian saying, hey, we got it. We nailed it.
No quality drop here. You know, nobody came away after
Warlord and said listen guys, we got this shit figured out.
Which is I, I think, I think as as much as I was saying like,
oh, I guess it was really bad timing of like when it came out
in terms of the pre patch being really poorly received and you
know, people having all these complaints.
There's kinds of counterpoint to that is if you're saying you
listen to your players and you like players are not happy with
you right now, how are you going to come out and do an interview
where you say, yeah, where you say, Yep, we're doing.
There's no change in quality. Well, I think that's another
point that they kind of brought up which like, you know, not to
like point at any any of us here or maybe to point at all of us
here. But like, they talked about how
they're not just listening to the loud people on the Internet.
They're also like watching what players are engaging with and
such. And they were talking about how
delves are one of like the most welcomed additions to the game
that people are engaging with it at such a level.
And I know for two out of three of us, like that is not a
reality. So like this like like even with
this show trying to represent all different viewpoints,
sometimes some viewpoints kind of get shouted down by like a
over representation and they can be well, like the game might be
just doing more block blockbuster than we thought, but
you're just not hearing it from like the belly ours and the
cartridge Bros and the Shawn's of the world.
Those are both me. I I was once told by a very
smart man who invited me to be a Co host on a podcast with him
that we should not mistake engagement with enjoyment.
So just because something is very popular and everyone is
doing it doesn't mean they're having fun.
There's a lot of people doing pre batch event right now.
If you go on Twitch they're all doing it.
They're farming it endlessly and saying how miserable they are.
Lots of people engaging with it. I would say other than myself,
nobody enjoying it. Well, I, I don't mean to argue
against Lex's wise words there, but I think that their metrics
are probably a little bit more in depth than that it.
Wasn't Lex Manny. I just think so that like Ian's
statement there that what I want to highlight like this tooth
like I I really do want to highlight.
I think it's super important and and impressive that they're
going to be able to launch midnight on time without having
crunch in overtime. And I think that's huge and I
love it And that's, I think I just want to end it there.
That's. All I whatever misgivings we
have which we could go into at length, I'm glad that it's being
done without crunch and therefore absolutely my
complaints that I could levy. I want to leave leave on the
floor for now, but I'll bring it up in another episode.
Yeah, yeah. And that was it, that from the
interview. Other than that, and the last
thing from the interview is that I would watch Holly Longdale
read the back of a cereal box. She her energy, her absolute
passion and joy for this game is so infectious.
She got done talking about classic Wow.
And I messaged friend of the show Nick, and I said, I think I
want to play classic. And he was like, you don't.
It will pass. Yeah.
He's right, I don't. But Holly is so, so convincing.
I was like, man, she's right. Classic is awesome.
I do think that that was cool, a little tidbit that the classic
audience and the modern audience have very little overlap.
We have seen people where they're like, oh, come on,
Blizzard, why are you releasing like Myst, Myst Classic and
Anniversary and blah, blah, blah within two weeks of each other.
I can't play them all. And I think that is, again, some
of us terminally online people that are like, I just want
something to stream that everybody's hyped about rather
than like the fact that the audience just does not overlap.
That did also make a lot of sense to me.
I think I should have realized that there just wasn't a lot of
overlap between classic and retail because I was
consistently perplexed about the concept of classic because I was
like it. They keep putting out all this
content and hyping it up with such a major game mode.
And I don't know anyone who plays classic.
Like I play World of Warcraft and I cannot think of one person
that I play with also maybe think of one, but like nobody
plays classic on a regular basis.
How is this getting as much attention?
And the fact that these are just two completely separate
audiences. So yes, me playing World of
Warcraft retail, I don't know anyone who plays classic because
they're all in a different community and they're different
people and they're playing a different game and they're not
also playing retail. Kind of made it click for me of
why it just felt so I I I just didn't understand where the.
The hype and the money feels so disconnected.
Is it because you are? Because they're in their own it.
Might as well be League of Legends.
Like, what do you mean? Why is League of Legends?
I don't know anybody who plays League of Legends.
That's it. It's the same thing.
Yeah, I do know people who play League of Legends.
They're awful people, but yeah. My best friend plays League of
Legends but she feels the same. Yeah.
One day I will tell you there is this gold I was dating that was
trying to get me into League and it was it was anyways I I with
cues of feeding. I did never want to play again.
I don't know what that means. I know what feeding is, I do
that regularly, but I don't know what that means.
Well, I'll tell you about that in the after show.
No, I don't know. I like being ignorant.
I like not knowing it's. OK, you like you like your
blissful ignorance. Got it.
But I hope that you guys have enjoyed this conversation.
There is more to come. As I said, do pay attention to
everything that's being put out there.
If you are trying to learn your class, maybe don't take it so,
so seriously. You still got a lot that is
coming in and a lot that's changing on the on the beta.
Just get yourself comfortable with like a proper UI and such.
Now that most of that has now been locked down, they're not
going to be touching that till the .5 patch, which means add on
authors kind of had the stability to release tools
knowing that it's not going to change on them super quick.
Now's the time to sort of get your footing, not get into the
weeds. But until next time guys, may
all your hits be crits.