1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,880 Manny I I I adore you, but your Venari impression is not very 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:09,440 good. No, no, it is I. 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,520 Want you to know, don't enter any Venari impression contest. 4 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:16,200 For Lorderon. For the Karen tour for. 5 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:21,640 Pandaria. For. 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:26,560 Calendar to the. Burning region for Gilnaeus but 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:34,600 has not died, for the Lich King, for the Sindora, for the 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,520 Alliance, for the Horn, for Azeroth. 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,320 Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth. 10 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:49,280 I am one of your hosts, the Truva Manny AKA Manny, and I am 11 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:54,800 joined by returning Lex. Lex, how are you and how has the 12 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,760 weeks of World of Warcraft been treating you? 13 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:02,320 How has 11.2 landed for you? It's been really fun. 14 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:03,840 I've been having a really good time with it. 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,240 I do feel a little overwhelmed just by the sheer number of 16 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,120 things to do. Like I still haven't really 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:14,680 gotten my teeth in phase diving, so it feels like there's some 18 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,080 things that I kind of need to figure out before I officially 19 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,760 say that I am. I'm grounded in 11.2, but I'm 20 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,240 having a lot of fun. I was. 21 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,680 I was not playing a ton last week, which is why I was out. 22 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,840 I had my parents over and now my house has been painted and my 23 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,920 dog learned that she likes the taste of drywall. 24 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,360 But it was very fun and now I am back and I'm actually playing 25 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,440 and I'm ready for raid tomorrow. I've done most of I've done the 26 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,760 whole storyline from last week and most of the storyline from 27 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,000 this week and we're getting into it. 28 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,840 OK. And then somebody else who might 29 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,640 be having a overwhelming week, we have Sean. 30 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,840 Hello, Sean. Mr. Cartridge Rose, how are you? 31 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,520 Hi Manny. I'm doing pretty good. 32 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,840 I'm doing pretty good. War Craftsman treating me well. 33 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,840 Been a busy week. It's Wednesday. 34 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:08,759 I feel like it's Friday. Tuesday we had the NA reset 35 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:14,360 obviously blasted through the campaign quests and then did a 36 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,560 bunch of M plus. Almost got KSM on the first day. 37 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Then we did normal raid clear with the Guild and a cheeky 38 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,200 little 20 stack LFR. And it's not scummy. 39 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,200 If one of us doesn't need the piece that we win, we give it to 40 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,960 the people that are not in the Guild that are with us. 41 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,080 And today was my first ever race to world. 42 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,240 First casting session on the desk for method and I had a six 43 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,560 hour shift today. Long shift. 44 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:56,120 Pretty tired, Pretty tired. Now you, you were a natural. 45 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,160 I got to say I I tuned in for for for part of it. 46 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,320 I was actually surprised. And I guess we should do like a 47 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:09,800 sort of currently what's up with the race to world first as far 48 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,920 as as far as the big guilds are going, they're doing their same 49 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:17,480 thing. For people who don't tune into 50 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,080 the race to world first, it often starts where you know, 51 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,520 you're doing your splits, you're doing your farms, you're getting 52 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,040 ready to dive in so you can make that impact. 53 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,000 But while the big guilds are normally doing that, we also 54 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,920 usually have some other guilds that aren't really there to like 55 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,560 claim the full title, still getting some early kills. 56 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:44,160 We normally see some some of those guilds that want to get 57 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,200 put their names out there killing off like the first two 58 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,440 or three bosses early in the race. 59 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,760 And I haven't seen that this tear at this point. 60 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,400 I was actually a little surprised because I because I 61 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,600 was like, oh, well, you know what? 62 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,320 I'm probably just not paying attention. 63 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:11,600 And then I went over to like the usual suspects to track race 64 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,800 progression. So of course Raider IO among 65 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,480 others. And that leaderboard is blank 66 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,440 the last time I checked. John, am I? 67 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:27,520 Am I smoking something? Nope, there is no mythic kills 68 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:33,520 as of recording. So 7:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time 69 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,800 there is no mythic kills. The best pull on plexus Sentinel 70 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,720 is 62.1% from melee mechanics. They did 9 polls on Tuesday. 71 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,040 The 1st boss has an intermission that has a shield phase at the 72 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:49,520 end of the emission. Had to breakthrough the shield 73 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,960 to stop his cast. Ramping damage will kill you. 74 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:58,280 His shield alone in that phase had more health than some of the 75 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:03,600 bosses in heroic. So Mailer mechanics who are the 76 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,520 team that took first kill for both Nurbar Palace and 77 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,360 Liberation of Undermine did 9 Poles realized OK this isn't 78 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,040 going to be it. We need to be better spending 79 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,480 our time in some splits and they jumped over to do splits. 80 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:26,120 So auspicious start to the race. On top of that, we've seen 81 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,160 people like tearing through normal. 82 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,840 I know a lot of people haven't really had a chance because 83 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:37,720 we're literally on day 2 for NA and day one for EU. 84 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,520 So we're not going to go into spoilers here. 85 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,440 We're not we're not going to go. It's too deep in that. 86 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,920 If you want some early impressions, Sean and I talked 87 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,840 about our testing on the PTR. So if you want to know like more 88 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:53,440 about the bosses, go ahead and look back at those episodes. 89 00:05:53,840 --> 00:06:02,360 But I think that what we saw in Liberation of Under Undermine is 90 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,840 sort of playing out again here, where normal seems to be quite 91 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:09,800 accessible. The step up to heroic is quite 92 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:15,360 the step up and the step up to mythic apparently is another 93 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,360 magnitude altogether as well. So they have definitely 94 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,280 separated those those difficulties in this tear from 95 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:27,920 what I what I've been seeing. And based on the race, the world 96 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,720 first so far, I would say that seems to be the case. 97 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,520 Lex, we were saying before the episode, you haven't had a 98 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:42,240 chance to really jump in. Sean, your team I believe, start 99 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,840 raids Thursday. Yeah, we haven't. 100 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:48,560 So NA we have an optional night on Tuesday which we cleared 101 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,360 normal and then EU and NA both raid Thursdays. 102 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,360 So it'll be normal for my EU team, heroic for my NA team? 103 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,080 There you go. That's going to be a busy day 104 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,960 for you. So again, we're going to give 105 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:10,400 our full impressions on a later episode, but good luck to all of 106 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,640 you guys who are rating. And that is going to require a 107 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:22,160 lot of luck because we have seen actually the Chinese region put 108 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:27,840 out a huge bounty for their push for race to world first. 109 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,400 China wants the the gold in this. 110 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:38,040 And so they've put out AI believe it is 500,000. 111 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,320 Sorry, I, I apologize. I don't know the currency. 112 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,040 Yen, I think it is. Yen's Japanese. 113 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,720 Oh well, it looks like a Why it? Does look like a. 114 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,880 Why? Never mind, I'm not going to try 115 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:53,480 to guess. Yen. 116 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,360 It's yen. I got, I got yelled at. 117 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,720 No, I got yelled at by Jin last time for saying yen. 118 00:07:58,800 --> 00:07:59,800 It's Yuan. I was right. 119 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,520 That's what I was going to say. None of you know that because I 120 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:02,880 didn't say it out loud. But it's Yuan. 121 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,960 OK, good, good. Shout out to Jin for reminding. 122 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,200 You Jin Death of Live Laugh Floor fame. 123 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,280 Oh yes, of course, Jin of Live Laugh Floor. 124 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,760 OK, good, good. So there you go. 125 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,880 So that that's quite the push and I believe this is still the 126 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,560 same bounty that they kept adding to. 127 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,440 Yeah, every tier that China does not finish in, the top three are 128 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,880 going to win. The prize pool goes up, the 129 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:34,320 bounty goes up from Nettie's. This isn't we're not at a dollar 130 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,240 amount yet. That makes this like super 131 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,679 appealing. So it's about 70 thousand U.S. 132 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,400 dollars. Obviously the cost of living in 133 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,360 China is different from the cost of living in the US. 134 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,480 So it's not 1:00 to 1:00, but that breaks down to about $1700 135 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,680 per member because you have like the 20 to 30 man raid roster and 136 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:58,400 then you're going to have anywhere in the range of 10 to 137 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:04,840 20 support staff from analysts to we core designers to that 138 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,560 kind of stuff. So it's not like a huge payday 139 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:10,160 for the raid team. You know, people are quick to 140 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,920 say, oh, 70,000 US divided by 20 Raiders and that's it. 141 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,520 But you're not, that's not you would have to pay everybody on 142 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,080 the team for this. So it is, I mean, it's a bigger 143 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,680 prize pool than you get from winning in North America or 144 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:25,680 Europe, I guess, although their money comes mostly in the form 145 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:29,000 of sponsors. So yeah, we'll see. 146 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,200 It's China's at a real disadvantage because the the 147 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,240 raid for them doesn't start till Thursday. 148 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,160 So everybody talks about the NA to EU head start and how NA gets 149 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,280 12 to 14 extra hours and how unfair that is. 150 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,280 Well, they get like a day and a half over in China. 151 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:50,400 So I I don't see a world where a Chinese team, something drastic 152 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,760 would have to happen for a Chinese team to come in 3rd just 153 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:58,040 because that that X that day and a half delay is such a huge 154 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,080 hurdle to overcome. Have we talked about this 155 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,040 already? Do we know why they don't just 156 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,720 release everything at the same time? 157 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:13,040 Is it just server load? I assume it's because they hate 158 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,920 fairness. That's true. 159 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,080 I forgot about that. I forgot that it was, it was 160 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,320 simply, I mean, to be fair, it is an NA company and they're 161 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,440 like, we're gonna keep winning. Yeah, we really like when NA 162 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,560 wins. I mean, there's like a number of 163 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,320 reasons behind it. 1 is that like, yes, those server teams 164 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:35,280 have to be working at its point to like update and do that. 165 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:41,400 They're the reset is when their reset normally occurs, right? 166 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,480 So it's not like they're they're particularly doing it for the 167 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,200 race the world first where they're setting people back. 168 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:52,680 It's like no and a is is Tuesday, then then Wednesday is 169 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,760 EU, then Thursday is China. Otherwise you're asking them to 170 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:01,840 build a a support staff that is doing all three of those servers 171 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,320 at the exact same time for no financial gain for the company. 172 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:11,360 Company that this seems like a like, not something a profit 173 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,640 driven company would do. And the race the world first is 174 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,120 not officially supported by Blizzard. 175 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,040 As much as people want to say, hey, you guys are catering to 176 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,680 these rates of old first people, this is clearly a point where 177 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:26,080 they're not. But like. 178 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,160 Final Fantasy 14 releases are global and they have data 179 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,720 centers in all regions. And cross region gameplay I 180 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,240 might add. Looking at you, midnight. 181 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,080 How much later did their servers come out? 182 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,120 Their game released I believe 5-6 years. 183 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,560 Oh, I'm not sure, I'd have to look it up. 184 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,240 Yeah, yeah, I I think like when you're working off of the off of 185 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,400 technology, right and the fact that they haven't moved over 186 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,000 servers, there's there's parts of it and like you could make 187 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,760 that switch. It's just that I also don't 188 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:05,880 think that like Final Fantasy also supports its race to world 189 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,720 first. So if they do like a no they. 190 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,560 Do Final Fantasy is huge? Yeah, Square they. 191 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:13,000 Officially support the Race to World. 192 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,880 First, yeah, it's like a massive thing they do which. 193 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,560 Realistically it's a little silly that Blizzard doesn't 194 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:23,760 right like the race the world first is AI mean. 195 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,360 Maybe it's the people don't want them to like step in and take 196 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,680 over, but I mean, it's, it's a huge it's, it's very much and 197 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:32,200 it's a thing they benefit off of, right? 198 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,160 Like it's not like the Blizzard team doesn't acknowledge the 199 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,680 existence of the race to world first. 200 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,560 Oh, I'm sure they like they soft supported. 201 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:40,600 It's definitely they soft supported. 202 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,080 They're talking with the the gals. 203 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,240 They're they invite them to how many events where they have like 204 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,800 exhibition matches and stuff, but like the specific race to 205 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,640 world first, who gets who gets that first kill. 206 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,640 The closest that we have from Blizzard really is the Hall of 207 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,960 Fame leaderboards, where it's like, OK, yeah, we'll put you in 208 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,040 as like, you killed it first. I'm guessing. 209 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,640 And of course, nurfing their bosses so that their players 210 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:16,640 could get in easier. Yeah, I just read that Final 211 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:21,320 Fantasy doesn't support the race because they're terrified of 212 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,880 promoting somebody who uses an add on, so never mind and. 213 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,400 The final. Fantasy, never mind. 214 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:33,960 Oh bad. But you had said that it works 215 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:40,680 out to like $17170 per per player, but if they do take 216 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:46,760 first place for some reason that is 1.4 million. 217 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,520 Sorry, yeah. One I might be. 218 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:51,560 I might. Ohh, you know what? 219 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:53,680 I might be saying that really embarrassingly wrong. 220 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:55,240 I didn't even think of that possibility. 221 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,920 OK, that's OK. We're we're making a good faith 222 00:13:58,920 --> 00:13:59,720 attempt. Yeah. 223 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,280 If. If you know don't feel free to 224 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,160 message. I would like to know I'd like to 225 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,400 bright broaden my horizons, but there is a much larger price of 226 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:15,000 1.4 million if they take first place and that is that what Sean 227 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,800 you're saying is the the long haul. 228 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,240 I think the closest that I've seen is like a that in like 229 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:28,960 recent memory is 1/5 place finish by a Chinese region team 230 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,360 and I think that was. Skyline. 231 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,400 Yeah, Skyline, which I think is dissolved since then. 232 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,680 Yeah, there's no, there's just no. 233 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,560 You can't start a race a day and a half late and expect to have 234 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,800 any shot at winning it. It's just not possible. 235 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:50,400 Yeah, yeah, they the teams are so crazy organized and it is a 236 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,480 it is a strange thing because you need a machine that is 237 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,680 running behind you like these world first guilds. 238 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:03,800 They have not only like the analysts and the like weak, weak 239 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,160 or in like coders that are like that are building the stuff that 240 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,800 they need as they analyze the fight and the players, but they 241 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,360 have like an entire machine that is like getting them the mats 242 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,040 and the resources for the stuff that they they need. 243 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,640 Organizing splits with people all over like the region now, 244 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:31,000 because like it's regional at this point, there is a big step 245 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,920 up from being even in like a like doing really well, getting 246 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:42,200 cutting edge Hall of Fame every every tier and being in that 247 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,800 race to world first. And that is I guess something 248 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,160 that maybe we can talk about on a different episode. 249 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:54,520 But it it it requires A literal infrastructure to be in that 250 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:55,840 race. And you're right, that day and 251 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,840 1/2 is crushing when you've got a machine that is starting up 252 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:07,920 that much later. But moving from the race to 253 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:14,960 world first to us casual players, we've got something big 254 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:24,760 on the on the horizon and that is my attempt to get a Deathless 255 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,280 Tazewesh run because that's way off the horizon. 256 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,440 I don't expect that I'll be getting that this week. 257 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,200 Sean, are you going to attempt to do a Deathless Tazewesh run 258 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,880 this week? Yeah, we should be able to get 259 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,800 one of these done Saturday or Sunday. 260 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,200 I imagine at that point we will have done probably six of eight 261 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:51,000 heroic, if not the full raid and lots of mythic plus. 262 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,160 Lots and lots of mythic Plus. We're already doing 10's and 263 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,440 elevens now, so all of our gear drops are at seven O 1. 264 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,960 So we should be able to get a deathless run in by the weekend, 265 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,040 Monday at the latest. But even if you don't get one 266 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,640 in, it's still worth doing the hard mode, especially if you're 267 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,359 not regularly timing 10s because all of the loot drops at one O 6 268 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,960 heroic in the hard mode. And I'm pretty sure yeah, the 269 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,440 completion of it counts as if you ran a + 10. 270 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:22,599 So even if it takes you 2 hours, it still gives you a + 10 in 271 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:25,839 your vault, which guarantees you a mythic piece next week. 272 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,240 So if you're somebody who, if you're, you know an individual 273 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:34,400 or a team or group who, who isn't successfully doing 10s or 274 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,000 can't get into plus 10s or you're struggling to get that 275 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,920 level, get 5 or 4 friends together and run the Tasmvesh 276 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,960 hard mode. Even if you die, finish it 277 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,600 because it'll count in your vault and then you'll get. 278 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,600 If you don't time it, you'll get a nine out of your vault and 279 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,640 you're that much closer to to pushing back into 10s. 280 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,600 OK. It's big worth, big worth to do 281 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,040 this dungeon. All right. 282 00:17:58,360 --> 00:18:04,200 Well with with that in mind, Lex, has hard bone tazewesh been 283 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,640 on your radar or does this make it more enticing to you? 284 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,280 So the deathless one, as I was reading that article, I could 285 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,240 feel my heart rate go up and I was like, that's going to be 286 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,720 really fun for Sean and Manny. They're going to have a great 287 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,600 time fighting for that. Best of luck. 288 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,360 I will not be trying to deathless Tazewesh. 289 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,160 However, I so I haven't just because realistically I've only 290 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:31,920 been playing 11.2 for like the past like days or so. 291 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,160 I haven't dug much into anything but I really want to. 292 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:42,040 I think that two seasons ago I jumped in really feet first in 293 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,440 dungeons and I kind of scared myself and, and pushed a little 294 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,960 hard and I needed to back off. Last season. 295 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,280 I think I, I in fact I know I did 0 mythic and I think that 296 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,080 was kind of the opposite. I just, I, I ended up feeling 297 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,600 really stagnant and like I didn't have much to do and I, I 298 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,440 couldn't really catch up. So I'm hoping that we're going 299 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,680 to find a nice little middle ground where I'm doing some 300 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,600 dungeons and I'm not pushing so hard that I'm freaking myself 301 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,320 out. But I'm also not, you know, just 302 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,920 utterly delving it only and calling it a day. 303 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,640 So I do, I, I'm really excited to get into Tazewash. 304 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:19,400 And I also wasn't really doing dungeons when Tazewash was, came 305 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,280 out originally. I don't think I've done a full 306 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,840 Tazewash run other than the cute little bits. 307 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:26,600 So I'm excited. I really want to do it. 308 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,560 I think that's gonna be fun. I don't know that I'll jump 309 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,000 right into hard mode for all the reasons that I'm scared of 310 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,240 Mythic Plus, but I'm excited to to get into it and, and play 311 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,600 and, and see how it goes and have a little fun. 312 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:40,480 But no, I will not be doing Deathless. 313 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,040 I will cry if somebody says we're going to try to do this on 314 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,480 Deathless and I'll die immediately. 315 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,400 So they don't can't do that. Not really, not really. 316 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,200 I wouldn't sabotage my friends if I'm not a jerk. 317 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,240 Well, people who had anxiety because they were afraid that 318 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,640 Lex or one of their friends would sabotage had a lot to say 319 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,800 about this. There was complaints that like, 320 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,400 hey, people are going to grieve Blizzard. 321 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,600 This is insane because like, I don't want to be held hostage. 322 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,480 And Blizzard has sort of addressed part of it. 323 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:14,920 At the beginning of the the dungeon, you're on the dock 324 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,520 just. We haven't really explained the 325 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,480 deathless Todds the restaurant, have we? 326 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,400 No, no, I'm going about to jump into that. 327 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:27,920 Yeah, sorry. So yeah, at the beginning 328 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,440 there's like the dock that overseas, overseas like the 329 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,840 boundless beyond or whatever. And so it would be easy for 330 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,200 somebody to jump off and grief a group, especially before you put 331 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,800 in the key, just just to screw you over. 332 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,160 Like let's say you're doing a Mythic plus run and you're like, 333 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,840 yeah, no, we're just want to put input in a key. 334 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,720 Somebody screwing over your Mythic 0 hard mode run like that 335 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,960 would be bad. So people were really concerned 336 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,520 about this. And that's because the way that 337 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,120 this works is that at the beginning of each week you will 338 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:06,240 have a buff, and that buff is called the Smart Street buff. 339 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,600 That buff goes away as soon as you die in Tazewash. 340 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:18,440 If you complete the run without without anybody dying, you get 341 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,960 that bonus. In chess that is a guaranteed 342 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:29,440 mythic loot and that is 5. Pieces of everybody gets a piece 343 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,080 of mythic loot. Everybody gets a piece of mythic 344 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,080 loot that's you don't have to wait for your vault. 345 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:39,400 You get a piece of a mythic loot, which is amazing and very, 346 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,160 very much something that it can entice people. 347 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:49,840 But yeah, if anybody loses their buff, then the run fails and has 348 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,320 to be done in your first attempt of the week. 349 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,560 You can't reset and go back into it. 350 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,080 So what? There was a lot of stress 351 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:03,960 involved involved with this. There were people who were 352 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,920 saying like oh what if somebody exploits me? 353 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,120 Is this why they needed the ban, the ban or sorry the vote kick 354 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:14,400 system. But this doesn't help with the 355 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,400 because the even if you vote kick and disband the group, that 356 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:22,720 is still your first attempt. There hasn't been any, any 357 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,480 confirmation from the article that I was reading on Wowhead 358 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,120 about if you're doing your first attempt, let's say three people 359 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:33,120 are doing their first attempt, two people are not doing their 360 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:34,840 first attempt. And so three people have the 361 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,240 buff and two people don't What the what that winds up being. 362 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:47,360 But honestly, I I like that there are there, there's the 363 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:53,320 ability to do these like challenging non time things. 364 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,720 A lot of people get anxiety just from a timer or don't like the 365 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,640 rush, rush, rush thing. This is a different way of 366 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,680 challenging. Challenging players like being 367 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,680 very strategic and careful with your polls and like trying to be 368 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,160 like, even if you're like lower your defense just to like, 369 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,400 sorry, lower your damage just to be a little bit more defensive. 370 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,440 You could you could do this in a completely different manner. 371 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,160 What was it in Dragonflight where you would do hard mode? 372 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,480 Dawn of the Infinites, Dawn of the Infinites. 373 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,240 Yeah, right. That was that was the same. 374 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,080 Right where? Yeah, you only had one shot each 375 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,000 week. No, no. 376 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,320 No, there's something different about it. 377 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:39,360 I'm just forgetting what it was. No, I do think you only had one 378 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:46,280 shot each week because I remember we did it once and we 379 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,280 got to the end and somebody died. 380 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,000 You still couldn't die. It had to be deathless. 381 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:56,600 We had somebody die with 3% left in the last boss and it cost us 382 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,720 our attempt and we didn't do it again. 383 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,320 So I'm pretty sure it was once a week. 384 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,040 Yeah, and I think it was just in the .5 patch before it went into 385 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:13,160 rotation. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. 386 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,280 Yeah. Before before it became Mythic 387 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,880 plus. Before it became mythic, mythic 388 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,840 plus. So it's not like this hasn't 389 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:25,800 been done before. So I'm I'm a little bit baffled 390 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,240 that people were so up in arms about it. 391 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,840 I think it's because this is such, this is a much bigger 392 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,000 power game. So Dawn of the Infinites was 393 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,360 Mythic 0, and I think you were guaranteeing it wasn't everybody 394 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:43,440 got a piece. It was it was just their normal 395 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,000 end of dungeon piece and it was only from the last boss. 396 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,640 This can be, this is a guaranteed Myth track piece to 397 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,200 everybody in the party, and it could be any piece from any 398 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,240 boss. And there are multiple trinkets 399 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,880 in this dungeon specifically that are quite good for people. 400 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,440 Well, it also the beginning of a patch is hugely different than a 401 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,720 .5, right? Like just at that .5, a lot of 402 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,320 people have kind of checked out. Yeah. 403 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,440 And we don't care if, like you're getting, you're thrown at 404 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,760 you anyway. Exactly. 405 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,280 I, I think people are upset. I, I mean, I can't speak for 406 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,040 certain because I, I'm personally upset. 407 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:18,040 I don't care. But I think one of the issues 408 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:24,400 was that for teams that are fighting for those early kills, 409 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,440 falling behind on this is a massive power loss to your raid 410 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,400 team. If you have a a 20 man raid team 411 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,320 and you don't time this every week, that's 20 pieces of mythic 412 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,520 year you're behind from a team who does time it with their 413 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,240 whole team. So that is 1 issue. 414 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,720 Also the anxiety issue of you know what if you're the one who 415 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,520 causes the death, even if you're playing with friends, you're 416 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,000 still going to feel terrible afterwards. 417 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,600 Even if they tell you it doesn't matter, you're still going to 418 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,680 feel bad. You know, I'm for some people 419 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,240 that is worse than a lot of things. 420 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,000 OK. Sorry, before you jump into 421 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,560 more, I do want to sort of like talk about both of those points 422 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,400 because I think that they're ugly valid points, but they're 423 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,360 points that exist in the game anyways. 424 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:16,960 Like if you are the person who causes like the .3% wipe, not on 425 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,920 the specific example of the Dawn of the Infinite, but like, let's 426 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,520 just say it's, it's a Prague boss and you're about to, and 427 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,280 you're like, oh man, we're about to like kill, get AOTC or we're 428 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,200 about to kill like this. The normal boss, like day 2 and 429 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,600 you're about to kill normal boss and you get a, you got to wipe 430 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,880 that like, oh man, I, I blanked and, and everything you're going 431 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,400 to feel bad. Like this is a magnitude more 432 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,120 because of the loss of the opportunity. 433 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,480 I mean, that's for the teams that. 434 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,840 But it's it's it's literally 1 not no other source of gear is. 435 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,480 You can try once a week. If you wipe on the boss for as 436 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,400 you see you just pull again. If you break a key, you just go 437 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,480 again. And it's also not like just well 438 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,120 I screwed up so like I can't do this again all like my 4 buddies 439 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,920 who are playing this perfectly and made zero mistakes are also 440 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,720 screwed for the entire week. Yeah, but like, your four 441 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,320 buddies made zero mistakes and you made one mistake. 442 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,720 And like, it's just, it feels so binary. 443 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,080 And I get that. Like that's like such a binary 444 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:28,280 thing for the teams that are like really caring about the 445 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,960 gear right now. Like if you don't get this every 446 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,000 week you are falling behind. That's the competitiveness of it 447 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:41,800 in my opinion. Like I don't think it would have 448 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:48,640 any effect on the race if you could make unlimited amount of 449 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,480 attempts and as long as you can do 1 deathless run in the week, 450 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,840 you get it right. Because then in general, I think 451 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,560 people would just do what they're doing already, which is 452 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,560 doing stuff ahead to make sure that they're comfortably geared 453 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,600 so that they can comfortably get this right. 454 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,960 If they were making attempts earlier, even even when they're 455 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,200 like quote on the bench, which makes it easier for them to 456 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:21,600 schedule right. I I think that this wouldn't 457 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,960 have the same intrigue like that tension means something. 458 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,560 It means something in both ways. And for like those of us at 459 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,360 home, the the mere mortals at home, right? 460 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:41,200 If Lex doesn't get this week 1, I don't think like that level of 461 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,280 like, Oh man, I'm forever behind effects you as much. 462 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,840 And I don't think it affects me that that that much. 463 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,520 Sure, but. I think you got to be at your 464 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,120 level, Sean or higher for it, for like it the I'm falling 465 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,520 behind FOMO to really start kicking in. 466 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,920 Yeah, but that I mean, that's that's a massive amount of 467 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,040 guilds. It's like 500 guilds of people, 468 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,520 right for that where that matters, that makes a difference 469 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,560 like that. And I wasn't talking race to a 470 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,720 first level when I said you're. I was talking like the Hall of 471 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:18,080 Fame to you know, that anywhere, anywhere from from from like 25 472 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,880 to 500 and even above, like there are people who are in 473 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,360 lower ranked guilds who like to push mythic plus itself on, you 474 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,320 know, with a group. If you're in a group that pushes 475 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,080 mythic plus and you don't time this even one week, it doesn't 476 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,880 have to be the first week. If any week you make a mistake, 477 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,240 you're now forever behind that piece of mythic loot. 478 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:47,800 So and I just think it's harsh because it's the only content 479 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,680 that doesn't allow multiple tries. 480 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,520 Everything else you can try again, but this is this is 481 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,160 overly, I think it's overly punishing. 482 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,680 I think the more I'm thinking about this, I think it should 483 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,720 not have dropped with hash because I, I, I kind of agree 484 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,480 with Manny that like the the point, the reason it's exciting 485 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,920 is that it is limited and it is hard to access. 486 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,920 And I think overwhelmingly there's some degree of like, you 487 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,680 know, I'm not personally super worried about the race world 488 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,760 first folks because they're the best in the world. 489 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,560 And so I, I, I could be wrong. I doubt that they're going to 490 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,480 have a lot of failed deathless hard mode Tazewash if they're 491 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,920 going into it prepped and ready. I but obviously humans make 492 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,000 mistakes and video games are like errors happen. 493 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,960 I'm not saying that it's impossible, but I I'm not super 494 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,080 worried about them. I'm also honestly not super 495 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,040 worried about people at like, you know, high level to mid 496 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,960 casual like or like true casuals like me, because I feel like 497 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,840 we're pretty good at reading like we we can read our own 498 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,040 vibes, right? Like I'm just going to like I 499 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,240 will say to my entire group, I'm not touching that. 500 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,480 Like if you guys want to try your hard mode, deathless Todd 501 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,040 Todd Savesh, please do it before you play with me. 502 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,440 I will not. I'm not going to engage with 503 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,720 that because I know that I would be the like I I I stopped 504 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,760 playing mythic because I had one really bad M plus, because I had 505 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,080 one really bad era Cara run. I would be devastated if I was 506 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,800 trying this. So, like I I just step out of 507 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,760 it, right? For or you're like, I know this 508 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,280 group of friends, like, yeah, I'm going to feel bad, but like 509 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,280 it'll be whatever, right? We we know how to like laugh it 510 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,360 off and keep playing. I do think though, because right 511 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,840 now it's so like loot is not easy to get, especially in 512 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,400 mythic loot and the people who are pushing are pushing for a 513 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,400 thing. I think having that time 514 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,960 limited, like I think this should have this shouldn't have 515 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,280 dropped at least until the end of the race, for example, just 516 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,000 because I feel like it just it's a lot of pressure for really 517 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,680 high reward that isn't really catch up able and will be catch 518 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,520 up able in the future. You know, there'll come a point 519 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,840 that mythic loot will be exciting, but not Oh my God, are 520 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,560 you serious? I get one promised piece of 521 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,160 mythic loot or Oh my God, are you serious? 522 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,240 You're the reason that this entire five group can't get 523 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,480 mythic loot. I just, I, I do think that it's 524 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,400 pretty intense for dropping a patch. 525 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,440 Yeah, like Lex you make some really good points there. 526 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:06,080 It is most impactful earlier and far less impactful later, 527 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,760 especially as soon as the race is done and as more teams 528 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,480 complete. Yeah, like gearing up after 529 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,840 you've gone through. I don't want to say that this is 530 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,840 just a concern for the race to Walt first teams, because when I 531 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,040 like use your level or higher, Sean as like the words that I 532 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,360 use, I don't mean to say that Sean, you're the you're raceable 533 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,080 first person. Like you. 534 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:38,000 Are a mythic Raider right who hits your your your cutting edge 535 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,680 consistently? Like I can't think of the last 536 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,000 season that you didn't get cutting edge, right. 537 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,080 And we just talked about the difference between like race, 538 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,600 the world first and the people in the Hall of the Hall of Fame. 539 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,040 Like it's a, it's a larger community that is going to be 540 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,520 concerned about this than just the people you see on like 541 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,040 Twitch. And that I do think that maybe 542 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:17,680 later on Blizzard could put through like a hot fix or 543 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:25,200 something that's like, hey guys, now the first 3 attempts, right? 544 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,960 And then later on, now it's the first 55 attempts or something 545 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,000 later on as sort of a almost a soft nerf to allow people to get 546 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,600 more loot to to get into it and like alleviate that and maybe 547 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,120 make it more appealing to a broader audience. 548 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:48,920 But I do think that the one attempt at the beginning is 549 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,400 somewhat important because this can't be another mythic plus 550 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,040 nearly guaranteed way of getting loot. 551 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,280 Like it has to have some form of tension or otherwise you may as 552 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:06,040 well just start looking at like, Hey, do we want to just have end 553 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,159 to run loot be that level anymore or not do it at all. 554 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,679 Like there's, there's, there's a very fine line that you have to 555 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,080 you have to walk for reward bounds here. 556 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,719 I mean I would argue that just completing A deathless run is 557 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,159 probably enough tension. It's 9 bosses tuned to the 558 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:31,000 difficulty of A + 10 with extra mechanics. 559 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,560 Like it's not mythic 0 health pools and that comes with extra 560 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,600 mechanics that aren't seen in mythic plus. 561 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,320 So you can't even practice it. Like there's no I think that's 562 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,880 the issue is like you can't, you're like you just can't 563 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,360 practice it unless you go on the PTR and practice it on the PTR 564 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,639 and like the mechanics change from boss to boss. 565 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,360 So unless you go and watch Avada, I don't know. 566 00:34:52,360 --> 00:35:01,160 I I think like just removing the once a week I think makes this 567 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,080 probably perfect and it's in its implementation. 568 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,520 Leaving the once a week is fine. You know, the people that are 569 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,840 like super crazy about it will do all the research and wait 570 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,880 till the last possible second when they have the most gear 571 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,920 this week to try it. And then those who brick it or 572 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,520 who make a mistake, they'll just be behind. 573 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,440 They will forever be behind this season. 574 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,480 And that, I don't know, that's a bad feeling for people. 575 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,280 OK. I do want to address forever 576 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,600 behind, but go ahead Lex. Oh, I was going to say, how 577 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,240 would you just because this thing, I'm not turning over in 578 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:32,800 my head. How would you feel if instead of 579 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,960 like loot, it was something like every week there's a new mount 580 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,280 or there's one mount that you get? 581 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,720 Like if it was something that felt a little bit less like, 582 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,360 like this is still a big reward, but it's not devastating if I 583 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,320 don't. It's not like a huge power loss 584 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,000 if I don't get it. I don't personally care about 585 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,600 mounts so that wouldn't be the hook. 586 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,200 That would be a hook for me and I think most mount collectors 587 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,000 aren't going to be able to complete a deathless or ON still 588 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,240 very late in the season. Most of them, most, not all. 589 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,000 There are some mount collectors that are exceptional at Mythic 590 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,200 plus, but I think the majority of them are mount collectors for 591 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,360 a reason and it's because they don't enjoy Wow. 592 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:14,720 They don't enjoy that content. I, I, I think that mount 593 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:18,800 collecting is not a direct reflection of your, your 594 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,560 involvement in other areas of the game. 595 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,600 There are people who like love making gold but are amazing 596 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,120 Raiders or people who love collecting mounts but are like 597 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,320 crazy about pet battles. Like it's just, it's just 598 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,840 another vector of interest. So I don't think it, it quite 599 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,400 aligns with like your skill or love for any other part of the 600 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,240 game. If. 601 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,080 You're spending 10 hours a day farming old raids and 602 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,000 collecting. You're not spending that time 603 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,760 getting better at current content. 604 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,640 So your skill level, you know what I mean? 605 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,040 Like you, what you practice is what you're going to be good at, 606 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,520 you know? Sure, but like you can still be 607 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,160 like really good at it and then oh, I got some off time. 608 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,080 I'll collect. You might not have amazing 609 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:02,800 amount of. Balance. 610 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,560 That's why I said. Still be interested in it. 611 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,360 That I mean, there's a difference between. 612 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,600 I think there's a distinction between, you know somebody who 613 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,560 is a Raider or a mythic plus runner who also likes mounts and 614 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,800 a mount collector. A mount collector plays the game 615 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,960 to collect mounts. Someone like yourself plays the 616 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,680 game for other reasons but also happens to collect mounts. 617 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,600 You know your sole purpose for the game isn't mount collecting. 618 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,440 Right, but like I I'm there are people who will identify 619 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,720 themselves as mount collectors. You probably do not have as many 620 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:37,000 mounts as as I do, right? There are people who will 621 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:46,280 identify themselves as like mount collectors who have 622 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:52,720 cutting edge and and have like pushed deep deeper into the raid 623 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,240 at difficulties that I don't even attempt. 624 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,520 I just, I don't think that the two are aligned. 625 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,400 Like, yes, your time is limited and you, you have to put it 626 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,320 towards something, but there are, there are people who are 627 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,760 just like, better than me at like one thing or another and 628 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,000 therefore don't have to put the time that I put at that thing. 629 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,320 And like, like their interests might align with mine, but 630 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,080 their, their ability, right. And their luck, because mount 631 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,120 collecting is like very much a huge portion of it is luck can 632 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:32,120 be, can be totally matched. But I did want to talk about 633 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,080 your forever behind comment because that's the other part of 634 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:44,040 this is that the teams that do get this and get all their teams 635 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,840 and, and such will have a significant power boost and that 636 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,920 will help them in their progression through this season. 637 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,640 Are they forever behind? Yes and no. 638 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,120 There are definitely times where you might have the luck of loot 639 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,720 that I've had this week where you go and you run time walking 640 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,720 because time walking was giving out, giving out heroic. 641 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:15,000 If you did the the five dungeons or you did the the raid and 642 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,200 killed enough bosses and you happen to get boots and then you 643 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,240 do another thing and you get boots and then you do another 644 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,960 thing and you get belt And it's just like the pieces that you 645 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:32,400 get might be misaligned in in the fact that like, why was time 646 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,160 walking in this season giving out cloaks? 647 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:38,360 Why did I get 3 cloaks? Oh, woe is me. 648 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:46,000 Or or in different ways. So like there's the possibility 649 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,400 that like the the loot isn't going to line line up as well, 650 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,000 right? Somebody who like gets it gets 651 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,800 doesn't, doesn't get a good piece. 652 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,880 Somebody who missed it one week, but the next week gets one of 653 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,480 those really good trinkets. Are they really that far behind? 654 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,320 Like it's, it's, there's a wash in that, But also there's the 655 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,480 fact that like, as these teams progress, as they, they are 656 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,680 pushing loot. They are going to get less from 657 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,360 these dungeons as it's more likely to hit the pieces that 658 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,920 they've already got their best in slot or something along those 659 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:28,120 lines in so like it isn't quite cut and dry. 660 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,200 And so when when Sean was saying Forever behind, I want to speak 661 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,280 to the audience, it's not like he wasn't thinking these things. 662 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,360 Often times I have conversations with Sean and I'm pedantically 663 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,120 saying things that Sean's already considered. 664 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,000 This is one of those times in my mind. 665 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,000 But I do want to say it because. Because you don't think the 666 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,240 audience will. Be in short form, huh? 667 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,480 Because you don't think the audience is as smart as me. 668 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,800 I think that like people will take you at your word and not 669 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,360 understand that you're short forming stuff and it has to be 670 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,200 spoken out. I want the audience to know that 671 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:09,480 I would never think that they weren't right with me to fully 672 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,440 answer Lex's question. If this was anything at all 673 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:19,480 other than mythic loot or shield trans mogs I wouldn't care what 674 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,240 they did with it. But I think if this was a 675 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,000 cosmetic thing that you would see the collector community piss 676 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,720 blood that it was only once a week and that it could be ruined 677 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:32,680 by somebody jumping off before you start a key. 678 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,120 Rightfully so, they already have the hardest job in the game. 679 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,200 Actually I just have a a super quick question for you guys. 680 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,280 As the less casual to the group, would you guys ever like hug 681 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,760 someone into this? Because I I guess I'm just like 682 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,440 like surprised by the fear of like somebody grieving you. 683 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,240 And I'm like, I cannot imagine doing something this hard and 684 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:57,240 this precise not with. And I guess, I guess if you're 685 00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:59,000 pugging, if you have to pug, you like, you know, if you don't 686 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,160 have friends who want to do this with you, if you're friends with 687 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,400 me and you're like, Oh my God. Right. 688 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,440 I have a five, I have a five Man Group, but one of them's lack. 689 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,480 So we don't, we don't have anybody for hired mode. 690 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,000 Exactly. OK, I answered my own question. 691 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,760 Yeah, but no, I would not pug. I would. 692 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,520 There is zero chance I will pug this. 693 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,520 I will run this only with guildies and and and friends and 694 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,840 not even all my friends are. You going to run with me, Sean? 695 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,800 Are you going to invite me? No. 696 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,800 That's good. Are you going to invite me? 697 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,480 Because I value your feelings and I know that it would be too 698 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,400 stressful for you and I didn't want I wouldn't want to put you 699 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,640 in that situation. Thank you, Sean. 700 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,200 You're. Welcome. 701 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,480 And I consider Manny a mound collector, so that'll answer the 702 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:36,840 question of whether or not I'd invite him. 703 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,760 Yeah, I'll see myself out, but for the rest of us mere mortals 704 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,600 that want to get gear there? Is wait for legal reasons. 705 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,080 That was a joke. No, it wasn't. 706 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,800 I'm going to edit out the fact that you said that was a. 707 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,040 Joke. They're going to think I'm so 708 00:42:54,080 --> 00:43:01,760 elitist, they'll be right. That was so good. 709 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,400 That was I'm really, really pleased with myself. 710 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,040 That was very clever. Sorry. 711 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:13,560 Well, for those of you who are not going to be pushing through 712 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,920 Tasvash hard mode trying to get your deathless runs, there is 713 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,160 more gear stuff coming up as part of a panel that we're going 714 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,480 to be talking about soon. Blizzard has announced that the 715 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:32,080 turbo boost is going to be coming back in season 3, so 716 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,880 we're looking at 11 point 2.5 again, Turbo boost. 717 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,080 For those of you who have short memories, that is when they 718 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,040 jacked up the levels that you could upgrade your gear by 6. 719 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,480 So you could get two more upgrades at the end of your 720 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,960 mythic track, your hero track or whatever, and gave everybody a 721 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:57,280 bit of boost of power. This was done in conjunction 722 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,320 with the dinars, but that is a separate system. 723 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,040 Want to make sure that people realize that that that ability 724 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,600 to buy trinkets was separate from this power boost. 725 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,880 I'm really glad that this is the thing coming back. 726 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,960 I think I like this more than the dinar system. 727 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,280 And I say that I'm really glad that this is the thing coming 728 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,280 back. But I think it is like of the 729 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,200 two, which one would I'd like more because I don't think I 730 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,600 like either one of them. To be truthful with you guys, 731 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,280 I've already said on previous things, I dislike how quickly 732 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,840 things become obsolete when you go from season to season. 733 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,040 And I dislike that like part way through the season. 734 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,480 Well, this is when the real push begins, and this is when we can 735 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,440 really see how far you can get in in your keys to see what the 736 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,080 new cap of keys is. And this power creep over the 737 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,080 course of a season means that, like, people who pushed early, 738 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,360 Well, yeah, that was just so you get your gear because the real 739 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,600 push is when these five events concur and give you like, an 740 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,760 extra 25% power. Anyways, that's my complaint 741 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,520 about this, but it's coming back. 742 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,760 What do you guys think? Let's start with you, Lex. 743 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:22,000 So I like the midway through the season, they're like, oh, it's 744 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,800 OK. I know, I know you don't have 745 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,640 AOTC yet. It's OK here, Here you go. 746 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,800 Yeah, No, you can get extra levels. 747 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,480 It's OK. I think that's good. 748 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,360 So I'm excited it's coming back. I'm sorry, Manny. 749 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,080 Totally fine. Like I understand I am likely in 750 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,440 the vast minority where I'm like, just let me get whatever 751 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,080 my season goal is, let me set at the beginning and be fine with 752 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,000 it, get the gear, see how far I can go and be like, that's where 753 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,440 my limit is. Not like, oh, sorry, that's 754 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,440 before you gave me like head and chance and I'm going back into 755 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,000 it again, Sean, I don't. Really have feelings on this 756 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,040 either. I do have a just a tip though 757 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,760 for everybody because we know this is coming. 758 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:14,000 You have the ability to trade up your crests at the Drac fear in 759 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,520 Donegal where you can turn your weather into carves. 760 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,560 You're carved into ruined. You're ruined into gilded. 761 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:26,320 If at all possible do not do that at all this season until 762 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,360 turbo boost. The reason is last season we had 763 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,960 multiple Guild members who never upgraded their crests. 764 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,880 They always just found out their new crests for the week when 765 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,440 turbo boost came they upgraded them all and didn't have to do a 766 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,280 single dungeon to Max out all their gear. 767 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,880 So if you can at all avoid upgrading your crests, do so and 768 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,760 then just farm your Max volto. Farm your Max Crest out every 769 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:56,640 week. As far as turbos goes, it's I 770 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,960 think it's an elegant way to nerf the raid, but it's so it's 771 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,520 good because it I I, I like when more people can clear the raid. 772 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,120 We are currently liberation of Undermine was the most cleared 773 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:12,120 raid of, I want to say all time, but if not all time, it was 774 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,200 definitely the first time in forever that the second tier 775 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,280 raid had more clears than the first tier raid did. 776 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:25,160 It was wildly successful, So many clears, turbo boost, so pro 777 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,320 more teams get to clear clear the content, more people get to 778 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,040 enjoy the content. More people then move up to a 779 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,320 next difficulty of content that they normally wouldn't get to 780 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,840 see. That's a pro Con is if you have 781 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,080 finished really early in the season, now you have to like 782 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,280 come back at the midway point. A lot of people play the game 783 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,360 seasonally. If you finish really early now, 784 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,680 you have to come back at the midway point to catch your 785 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,920 character back up to speed for the preparation into midnight. 786 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,080 I know you're going to say, oh, it doesn't matter midnight 787 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,640 because it's all going to get gear when we level through 788 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,120 midnight and this gear won't matter. 789 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,400 But there are people who need to optimize everything, so they'll 790 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,200 need to do that. Lex, you have a question before 791 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,640 I do my next con. What I was going to say is it's 792 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,160 it's, it's the change on expansion, so. 793 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,080 It's. All going to go away and it's 794 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,480 but like listen, if you if you feel, if you experience joy when 795 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,200 you optimize things knowing that they'll be meaningless, good for 796 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,080 you. That was really that was really 797 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,480 condescending. I'm so sorry. 798 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,360 I mean that genuinely, I genuinely like, play the game 799 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,840 the way that makes you happy. Sorry, what's your next con? 800 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,960 Don't let Lex get you down, she's not going to have any 801 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,720 mythic pieces from Tessa Fishhard mode. 802 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,640 I sure I probably don't have any mythic pieces. 803 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,400 You can. She's going to be so far. 804 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,640 Behind and then my next con is if you're somebody who kills the 805 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:46,320 raid around that .5 mark turbo boost, it can go one of two 806 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,320 ways. Option one, hey, we get a boost 807 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,080 to get the get past the last boss or two, get over that. 808 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,080 I'm great. But the other side to that is if 809 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,240 you're close to a kill on on dementias and turbo boost kicks 810 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:03,040 in, you're now robbed of that opportunity to see if you could 811 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,000 have done it at that lower item level because you're going to up 812 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,520 up gear to the next level and get that kill. 813 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,760 So it's trying to pulls the rug out. 814 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,360 It can pull the rug out from under you. 815 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,200 That one. There's no like there's a pro 816 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,560 Anicon there with that one with it coming out of the .5 patch, 817 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,440 yeah. And I guess my only complaint is 818 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:26,480 that I can't trade crests between my alts and my main SO. 819 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,440 There's a new that comes back with turbo boost. 820 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,320 Sorry. Maybe that comes back with turbo 821 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:32,360 boost? I don't think we've ever been 822 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,840 able to trade crests between alts. 823 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,480 Oh wait, no crests. I'm thinking valor. 824 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,400 Nevermind. Yeah, yeah, Valor. 825 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,680 Valor is like a nothing burger anyway. 826 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:44,120 I don't know anybody who's not. So yeah, Valor should just not 827 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,040 exist. For the, for the, for the 828 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,160 listeners at home, I've definitely run out of valor. 829 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,640 OK wait, are you currently valor cap? 830 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,360 Because I think that was what the sentence was going. 831 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,240 I'm surely not. Continue flex, right? 832 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,600 There you go. Now you know. 833 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,640 Casual. We know I'm the casual. 834 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,240 But yeah, it's so I don't know, I just there's like a 0% chance 835 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:13,080 I'm going to look at Turbo Boost and my 4 alts and think I can't 836 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,920 wait to do 42 more plus twelves for all of them. 837 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,080 And actually I think it was higher than I think it was like 838 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,800 84 I had to do. It was a ridiculous number 839 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,880 anyway. I don't know, I did not mean to 840 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,120 just double that first number. I said, but that's that's what 841 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,880 happened. But that was coming back. 842 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,000 But this isn't news because they told us they had an interview 843 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,240 like a month ago where they said, yeah, we really like Turbo 844 00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,240 Boost and we'd like to see something like that come back in 845 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,160 season 3. And then it's like the Internet 846 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,200 forgot that they said that and that they read it. 847 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,480 We actually reported that. Yeah, but they said, they said 848 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,600 they would like to see something like that. 849 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,760 We didn't know exactly and we didn't know if it was going to 850 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:57,080 so for them to well. And they've never not had like 851 00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,400 made like the halfway point of the patch is always when they 852 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,120 just start like finding a way to just throw things at you, which 853 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,720 again, I like because I like the fact that if I have been 854 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,840 struggling with things, they say it's OK. 855 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,920 No, no, no, no, no, it's OK. You don't have to quit Mythic 856 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,440 plus it's OK. Look, you get more. 857 00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:15,640 We knew that interview was legit because it wasn't an Ian quote. 858 00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:19,680 Your hate of Ian. Continues. 859 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,800 I think he's lovely and I think the game has climbed like 860 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,600 decades above where it was since he took over as game director. 861 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,560 I think Ian is doing a fantastic job but I need to be curmudgeon 862 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,160 abled somebody and I think Morgan Day is a sweetheart, so 863 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,880 Ian gets it. Yeah, we got him. 864 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,120 We all have to have the one person that we name and shame on 865 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,960 the podcast, which Manny, you have to pick yours. 866 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,320 Who's the dev that you want to publicly state your dislike of? 867 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,240 Not just like we love you. Yeah, I got none. 868 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,880 I have. I have different people who are 869 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,480 no longer part of Blizzard that I think are absolute ass hats. 870 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,000 But we won't mention you better than this episode. 871 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,400 Let's move on. Manny, he's one of us. 872 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,640 Dear God, something we can all look forward to. 873 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:06,360 I. Bet you he does it. 874 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,440 Definitely no. Let's not talk about him. 875 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,560 Let's move on. I'm sorry. 876 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:16,440 OK, so something we can look forward to is the Legion Remix, 877 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,720 which is going to be our last story of this episode. 878 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,560 We had a Wow cast that came out where they unleashed all this 879 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:30,480 information about Legion remix. It looks like they have taken 880 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,760 the formula for Mr. Pandera Remix and then amped it up a 881 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,520 bit. They talked about how you're 882 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:45,840 going to have the 12 Legion classes to play through and go 883 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,200 through. That experience is going to be 884 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:53,600 an accelerated pace. However, it is going to have 885 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,720 some time gating. I said the word time gating. 886 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,800 I'm really sorry guys. You're not going to be able to 887 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,520 kill Argus on day one. Quitting the game. 888 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:08,600 Yeah, there's a lot of improvements that they have 889 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,840 done, like bronze is purely cosmetic. 890 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,880 That is something I know, Sean, you and I were a little little 891 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,560 giving you a little side eye at 1st and then we realized, hey, 892 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,360 once you get the power, then you'll get enough bronze. 893 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,160 And they made multiple improvements along the way of 894 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,640 Mr. Pandaria so that like we were swimming with bronze by the 895 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:33,160 end of it, just like Remix before, we're getting a lot of 896 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,520 cosmetics like the pets, the mounts, the transmog gear. 897 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,960 Things that they have said that is that are coming back along 898 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:49,080 those lines include the artefact weapons, not the mage tower. 899 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:54,040 People are upset about that friendship Burb coming back as 900 00:53:54,040 --> 00:54:00,240 well as the class mounts, but with a new fell green version 901 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:02,720 for all of them. I don't know what that means for 902 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,920 warlocks because we already had a fell green version, but this 903 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,160 is like I guess a more fell green Rasteed. 904 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,480 There's also like a number of things, like different variants 905 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,600 of stuff that that didn't exist in Legion, but it's very much 906 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:25,440 Legion, Legion esque. So Manoroff's shield, the 907 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:33,200 corrupted version of Varian's sword, which looks so good. 908 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,080 I got to get that for my warrior. 909 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:44,320 The, the thing that is is exciting me most is that for 910 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:49,200 world quest for the outdoor world, they are taking a page 911 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,560 from Diablo and actually having different tiers of difficulty 912 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:59,920 for the, for the world. I'm hoping and like knock on 913 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,160 wood, I'm not going to knock because I don't want this to 914 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:07,040 screw up the recording. I'm hoping that this is 915 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:13,200 something that they're testing for the main game because we've 916 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,360 said it here a number of times, or at least I've said it here a 917 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,560 number of times that like outdoor world content need some 918 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,360 teeth. And this might be this might be 919 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,880 exactly what I need. This might be me biting off more 920 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,200 than I could chew and I will be happy for that. 921 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,840 What are you guys excited for in in Legion that I haven't talked 922 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,520 about because there's a number of things in here. 923 00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,200 I'm going to throw this one to Sean first. 924 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,880 When am I supposed to play this because I'll be busy gearing my 925 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,080 characters up from the turbo boost during the 11 point 2.5. 926 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,280 Sean, you could always exposure therapy, not maxing everything 927 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,560 like you, you could, you could do that as like a personal goal, 928 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,440 Like I'm going to see how it feels to not do everything that 929 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,480 I can do this season. Sure, Alex, I. 930 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,600 Get where your head's at Alex. But think about it this way, he 931 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,360 would just be like supplanting mid maxing his live character 932 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,680 for supplant for mid maxing his character in Legion. 933 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,520 So would it help at all in that way? 934 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,080 Because you're something we're also not thinking about here. 935 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,440 It just it seems like a lot. I liked that panda like they 936 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,520 mentioned. Hey, we're putting everything 937 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,320 back in all the dungeons, all the raids, all the campaign 938 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,880 quests, all the class, all quests, all the artifact quests 939 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,240 and we're going to time gate it. Every two weeks you get a new 940 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:32,120 flavorful of this stuff. It just feels like a lot to jam 941 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:41,040 into the four month window that is .5 up to 12 point O. 942 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,160 And on top of that we have turbo boost like I sort of tongue in 943 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,400 cheek mentioned, but there's going to be midnight alpha at 944 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,880 the exact same time at midnight beta. 945 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,920 Like it's sort of what happened with classic Mop classic 946 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,840 launching right at the same time as 11.2. 947 00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:01,280 And when there are people who genuinely like, severely suffer 948 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:07,400 from the need to collect everything, who will lose sleep 949 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,720 and 'cause themselves like, not like, it will, it will damage 950 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:14,520 themselves to make sure they get everything and do all of this 951 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,680 while also doing all those other things. 952 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:21,920 I feel like it's too much. There's twelve class campaigns. 953 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,160 Pandaria remix that happened during a season 4 right? 954 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,600 Am I fully making that up? Yes, yeah. 955 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:37,760 So when nothing was happening. Yeah, I do kind of agree that if 956 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,920 you're not going to have a season 4, why are you giving me 957 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,160 filler content? Like respectfully, remix 958 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:48,480 Pandaria was filler content. To be fair though, I was not a 959 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,800 remix girlie so I've not been paying heavy attention to Legion 960 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,560 in general. Like Legion Remix in general, I 961 00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:55,760 know that it's some people's thing. 962 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,600 So I mean to yuck anyone's Yum. For me personally, it felt like 963 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,720 I didn't get into it right away. And then when I did get into it, 964 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,680 everyone was just like face rolling everything. 965 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,200 Which like, it's fun for a few runs to go through a dungeon and 966 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,480 all you're doing is trot trot trotting behind somebody while 967 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,080 they wipe it out. And then you kind of get sick of 968 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,920 that. But that's my own problem. 969 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,360 I I wasn't playing like Sean. I wasn't even maxing. 970 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:18,840 And that's my own fault. But yeah, I think I kind of am 971 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,080 on your side with this Sean. That it it it. 972 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,560 This is something to throw in when we're in a lot like a a 973 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:33,000 content lull, not with a .5. Yeah, there there will be people 974 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,480 who still haven't finished the raid, right? 975 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,640 Like raid teams will still be progressing. 976 00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,400 It's, I don't know, it just feels like a lot. 977 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,680 Not to complain endlessly about Blizzard's new road maps, but I 978 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,560 feel like this is kind of the downfall of the road map, which 979 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,800 is that if something is in the road map, they feel like they 980 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,040 have to put it in right. Like if they're going to put a 981 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,680 Legion, maybe I'm wrong, Manny's making face of me that makes me 982 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,840 think that I'm wrong. But if like I, I, I feel like 983 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,360 Legion remix is something to have in your little back pocket 984 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,600 for when you know that your team is going to need help, right? 985 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,360 And they're going to need to be able to have a longer mid patch 986 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,400 or they're going to need to put in a Season 4 that they didn't 987 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,720 originally want. And you need something so that 988 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,440 people don't, you know, send death threats on Twitter. 989 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,760 And you're like, OK, yeah. So we're doing the Season 4. 990 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,960 And while we're announcing Season 4, also Legion Remix, 991 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,160 right? Putting it in on the road map 992 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:30,600 and making it a part of the game in general leads to it not being 993 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,320 like makes it filler content that has to go in even if you 994 00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,080 don't need filler content. Yeah. 995 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:40,800 I'd love your thoughts. Money. 996 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,880 Oh, I'm going to be the meanest that I can be to do poor 997 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,360 collectors. Even though Sean thinks, and I'm 998 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,360 I'm one of you, get over it. I'm sorry. 999 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:58,720 I think that part of the thrill of collecting should be the 1000 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,920 hunt. I think that. 1001 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,720 You have to prioritize. I hate that people go and and 1002 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,680 complain every month that I don't have enough tenders to get 1003 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,000 everything in the in the trading post. 1004 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,480 Well, then you don't get everything in the traders post. 1005 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,720 Make priorities. If if this is going to hurt you 1006 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:24,760 to not have everything, then you need to adjust your view. 1007 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:29,400 Like Sean's talking about like, hey, like I want to hunt trans 1008 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:30,920 mog. We want to talk about all trans 1009 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,760 mog. He likes shield trans mog 1010 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,960 because he prioritizes raiding mythic plus and stuff. 1011 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,360 And he's like, I'm not going to collect every trans mog. 1012 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,240 That's too much. So even with all the time that 1013 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,360 Sean says he has to play on North America and Europe and do 1014 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,600 all these things, he, he narrows his focus down so that like he 1015 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,360 can maintain sanity and maintain real life relationships. 1016 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,280 Like apparently he's got a, a woman that he lives with. 1017 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,000 Like I don't want to preach about. 1018 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,720 Did you just balance but everything? 1019 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,760 In moderation, including Wow, did you? 1020 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,600 Just refer to Anjali as a woman that I live with. 1021 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,840 I was just giving the general thing like you have 1022 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:20,000 relationships that you maintain that you prioritize, right? 1023 01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,160 And like I didn't want to like go to down the preachy Rd. 1024 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,040 because I'm already like veering so hard into it. 1025 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:32,840 But I think that if you are somebody who wants to get the 1026 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:38,040 stuff from Mr. Pandaria, but sorry rather from Legion Remix, 1027 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:42,000 but also wants to get the stuff currently on on live, yes, you 1028 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,560 are going to have to make a choice. 1029 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:49,920 I think that the last patch of a expansion right where the gear 1030 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:55,120 is going to be made relatively obsolete by by the next 1031 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,640 expansion and you want to collect everything, then 1032 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,120 prioritize Legion remix because that's there temporarily. 1033 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,800 And when you are level 90 and able to squash everything in 1034 01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,880 Koresh, come back and stomp that. 1035 01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,960 Yes, it's it's going to come at you a little bit faster than you 1036 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:19,720 can deal with right now. But like I also want options for 1037 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,760 the people who are like done with Koresh. 1038 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,880 Maybe they went through the story and the the story ended 1039 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:30,520 this this week except for the except for the epilogue. 1040 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:35,040 If you happen to be stuck behind the story mode raid clear, 1041 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,280 you're going to have to wait for that. 1042 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,400 And there are people who aren't doing everything, but they 1043 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:43,240 should still get content. There are people who love love 1044 01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,040 collecting, don't like rating, but they should still get 1045 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,280 collect content. There are people who missed 1046 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,000 legion in the 1st place and this is a way cool accessible way to 1047 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:57,760 way to do it. So like, yes, it's not there for 1048 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,720 everybody, right? But like, just like how this, 1049 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:07,840 this version of hard mode Tazewesh effects some people, 1050 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,520 negatively effects some people, gives some stuff for some people 1051 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,080 to do. There are going to be things 1052 01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,680 where Blitzer's going to put out stuff that maybe isn't for you 1053 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,840 or conflicts with stuff that you're already trying to do. 1054 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,360 And I think as gamers, we should accept that and not expect them 1055 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,600 to put out the perfect calendar. So I can get everything in 1056 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:32,360 classic and everything in retail and then everything when Mr. 1057 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,280 Panteria drops. And then poor Sean, who might 1058 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,480 not like any of, sorry, I keep saying Mr. Panteria when Legion 1059 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,880 drops, and then poor Sean, who doesn't like any of this, has to 1060 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,120 wait around 12 months for you to collect everything. 1061 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,280 That doesn't feel fair to Sean either. 1062 01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,880 But Sean, you had a point to to go against this. 1063 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,320 Go ahead. It's not to go against it, I 1064 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:56,920 just wanted to know or wanted to ask, do we not have to make 1065 01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,640 enough sacrifices in real life for things that we want and 1066 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,720 can't have? Is it not OK for us to be able 1067 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,400 to just get everything in a video game? 1068 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:09,280 Yes and no. That's supposed to bring joy. 1069 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,960 It's not supposed to be a microcosm to teach us how to 1070 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,640 deal with life. It's just supposed to be a fun 1071 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:21,280 thing we play. OK, I collect mounts and I love 1072 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,680 collecting mounts and it's a fun thing. 1073 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,560 It's a fun thing I play, but I'm never going to get PvP mounts. 1074 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,520 That's always going to be a gap for me, right? 1075 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,600 Don't you want and I could do. It and I could or I could be 1076 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,280 like Blizzard you should stop doing PvP mounts because mount 1077 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,360 collectors and PvP players are completely opposite. 1078 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,600 Because those people who get glad they spend their time 1079 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,240 fighting, not collecting mounts. That's true, and that seems like 1080 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,840 a very silly argument that we would never have on this show. 1081 01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,480 It's true. I think it's true, yeah. 1082 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,920 I mean, the fact you don't have glad mounts proves it. 1083 01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,080 Sean was right. Yeah. 1084 01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,880 Go get some glad mounts. Yeah. 1085 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,400 I mean, lead. Your remix is probably going to 1086 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,080 be fun. I imagine Twitter will love it 1087 01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,680 because they love things. Yeah. 1088 01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,120 I don't know. I don't, I know I don't. 1089 01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:18,920 I would love to experience. I think it'll be cool to 1090 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,280 experience the story of the the classes I haven't play because I 1091 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:22,800 didn't play Legion when it was current. 1092 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:28,080 But just where this is launching, I already know, you 1093 01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:32,400 know, And in .7 we're getting housing, so it's like, I don't 1094 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:33,640 know. Yeah. 1095 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,600 And it doesn't matter. It'll be playing a solo game 1096 01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,800 anyway because the world's are all going to be phased as people 1097 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,480 playing different difficulties. Yeah, that's the thing that I, I 1098 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,960 definitely want to test this out because like the different world 1099 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:51,560 tiers on top of phasing when things get busy or on top of 1100 01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,200 like different, different realms and stuff, I'm hoping that it 1101 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,680 doesn't segment the world too much. 1102 01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:01,040 Like there's gonna, there's gonna have to be some, some sort 1103 01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,160 of thing that they're doing to make this work. 1104 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,480 But yeah, no, I'm excited. I'm excited for it, at least the 1105 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:11,720 prospect of it, assuming that I can, you know, find the time. 1106 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,160 But you're right. If I'm in like the alpha or the 1107 01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:19,080 beta, yeah, sorry, Legion remix, you're taking the backseat. 1108 01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,200 What about you, Lex? Anything like you're really 1109 01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:23,160 excited for in here? I'm. 1110 01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:25,680 Probably gonna go in and get some trans monks. 1111 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,360 Yeah, that's probably. I did play through lead band and 1112 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,240 it was really fun. But I think I'm going to be 1113 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:39,120 trying to get AOTC or after having AOTC or hopefully doing 1114 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:43,080 midnight stuff. And like I said, I was just not 1115 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,520 I, I really did not play Pandaria Remix a lot and I was 1116 01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,160 really excited about Pandaria Remix. 1117 01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:54,520 So I'm not counting on me being at all motivated to play lead 1118 01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,160 remix, but we'll see. There's been plenty of things 1119 01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,920 that I was like, I do not care about this. 1120 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,200 And then it was fun. I can't think of any examples, 1121 01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,360 but I think they've happened. I believe. 1122 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:03,960 Can I give a special shout out to chat? 1123 01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:05,760 The chat just made me chuckle pretty hard. 1124 01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:11,080 OK, go, go ahead. After my rebuttal to Manny's 1125 01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:15,480 statement, chat said Sean says can't we just collect everything 1126 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,080 but also Sean accept anything from mythic filthy casuals? 1127 01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,800 See, you're, you're, you're a nuanced man. 1128 01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,400 You're onion. You've got multiple layers 1129 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,400 there. It's make me try when I try and 1130 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,760 figure a new deal through them. Yeah, we're working with me. 1131 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,560 I've been told before that working with me is tear 1132 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:41,760 inducing, so yeah. Well, we're going to call it 1133 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,040 here. Thank you so much on and Lex for 1134 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,560 for this episode. We'll be back next week. 1135 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,360 And until next time guys, may all your hits be crits.