1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,040 It's been really nice to not have to care about that and to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,920 just find the fun again in a game that I have enjoyed for 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,840 many, many, many, many years at this point. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,480 Victory for the Forsaken. For Lauderon. 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,960 For the Kieran Tour. For Pandaria. 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,440 For calendar to. The burning region for Gilnaeus, 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:31,560 but has not done for the Lich King for the Sindori. 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:37,520 For the alliance. For the Horde, for Azeroth. 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,920 Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azz. 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,080 I'm Benny, a gay, the treatment manly, and today I'm joined not 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:52,000 by Lex, not by Jean, but by the one and only Jocelyn. 12 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:55,120 Hello Jos, how are you and how's the World of Warcraft been 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,040 treating you? I'm well, thanks. 14 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,080 Hi, Manny. I'm so glad to be back. 15 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,760 It's been a it's been a long time. 16 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,280 I don't even remember. It's been like I feel years not 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,080 since I talked to you obviously, but since I've talked to FAZ. 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,960 Hi, guys. It has. 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,520 Been a bit but I do like that we do these check insurance and 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,640 everything seeing how the expansion is because honestly on 21 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,920 the main show we've been talking about how I am not interested in 22 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,240 12 point O .5. None of the stuff really works 23 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,600 for me. We've had people on like one end 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:32,480 who are focused on their rating and their mythic plus and all of 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,440 that. We've got people who are loving 26 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,560 the new decor duel and you have a very unique perspective as 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,960 somebody who is not engaged in the game in the same way that 28 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:48,640 you used to be. And so it's a great time to 29 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:54,200 check in where I have said that Oh my God, 12 point O 7. 30 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,480 If they're going to have some Mcguffin and guys, spoilers for 31 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:04,880 next episode. They have a Mcguffin and so I my 32 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,440 my way I'm viewing of the game is like influx. 33 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,840 I will say at least if you're in the fast discord, there may have 34 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,440 been talks of me to say is saying farewell to the show. 35 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:17,720 No way. I don't believe it. 36 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,000 Come on. Oh man, it, it, it's been, it's 37 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,320 been a time. So it's good to check in, of 38 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,400 course, get different views on things because World of Warcraft 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,320 is now this big tent game that appeals to all sorts of people. 40 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:38,280 And so let's get into it. How are you interacting with 41 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,520 like what, a Warcraft Midnight or in Warcraft in general? 42 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,560 You know, it's, it's really funny to to hear you talking 43 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,840 about, you know, like the the issues in the patch and things 44 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,400 not being for you and, and everything else, because like, 45 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,800 so I'm not rating anymore. That was like my big midnight 46 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,160 change was that even in War Within for the first, the first 47 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:08,400 big patch, I was still rating. And when I kind of like left the 48 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,400 raid, I can't even remember if I actually stuck it out for AOTC. 49 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,960 But basically like I just got to the point where I was like, I 50 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,120 can't commit these, you know, two nights a week plus the time 51 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,600 it takes to gear and everything else. 52 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,120 I was like, I just think, you know, Wow's not for me anymore. 53 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,280 And you know, kind of walked away and walked away for the 54 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,280 whole rest of War Within. Wasn't even going to play 55 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,920 Midnight. And then it was just like, but 56 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:38,200 the blood elves and I was like, OK, OK, OK, I'm back in. 57 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:44,800 And one of the big things that I have noticed is that because I'm 58 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,560 not rating, I don't need to care about the patches. 59 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,200 I don't need to care about the timeline. 60 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,640 So I know like the we were going to do this talk, I think a week 61 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,560 or week and a half ago and I was like, you know what, I think, 62 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,520 you know, our conversations going to be a little bit 63 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,120 Evergreen. I know there's a patch that's 64 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,760 coming out on Tuesday this week, so you guys probably won't talk 65 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,480 about that. So, you know, like it's just so 66 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,360 funny because it's like everyone's talking about how how 67 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,720 broken the patch was and I was like, OK, cool, I'll check it 68 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,720 out next week. And then I did, I checked it out 69 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,640 next week and I was like, everything's working fine for 70 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,120 me. It's like when you don't care 71 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,240 about day and date patches, the game is so much more enjoyable 72 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,160 because I'm I'm having a great time. 73 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,680 So I logged in today, I think, yeah, about about 10-10 days 74 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,880 after the patch and for the first time, and I mean, like, I 75 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,440 just I went in, I checked my vaults and I still get vault 76 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,920 things because doing delves, which is my big main piece of 77 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,680 content that I enjoy doing my delves gets me those those great 78 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,800 vault slots. So I'm like, cool, I got, I got 79 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,720 shinies waiting for me when I log in. 80 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,200 I got a whole bunch of weekly. So I can go pick up. 81 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,560 I'm going to go, I'm going to go sit with my magister dudes and 82 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,200 serve them some wine and things and get some points for that 83 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,400 stuff. And then, you know, zoom around 84 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,320 the zone and find all the void things and kaboom, kill those. 85 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,200 Yay, get more shiny things. This is so cool. 86 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,400 And when you don't care about the numbers that are attached to 87 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,840 the shiny things, I'm just like, I'm I'm walking around and I'm 88 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:19,000 doing activities and achievements are popping and I'm 89 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,880 like, Oh yeah, give me that dopamine. 90 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,160 Let's go. So it's an entirely different 91 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:31,920 game when you don't care about high end, like end game content, 92 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,320 like whether that's Mythic plus or whether that's Raid. 93 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,840 It's an entirely different experience. 94 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:41,960 Since midnight launched. I basically like I went through 95 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,880 the the campaign. I got my my main, my hunter to 96 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,800 level 90. I went through and kind of did 97 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,760 some of the stuff in the void zone and I'm like, you know 98 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,080 what, I don't really like it here. 99 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,440 I'm going back to Ever song because that was giving me all 100 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,480 of the fields, especially around like all the Silvana stuff and 101 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,080 like the Win runner Spire dungeon and just being in ever 102 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,760 song. I was like, I'm going to work on 103 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,960 Loremaster and I went and did every single side question ever 104 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,440 song. Like there are no more 105 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:09,960 exclamation marks than ever song. 106 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,680 And I've had so much fun just hanging out in the zone I love 107 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,640 because I don't have to go anywhere else. 108 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,320 Yeah, you're not constrained by a schedule and it seems that's a 109 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,800 lot of freeing for you. Yeah, exactly. 110 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,080 And the other thing is too, I'm not like I'm leveled, whatever 111 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,440 it is, something 55, like 450-5555. 112 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,760 I don't even see. I don't even know what my item 113 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,760 level is supposed to be. All I know is like I'm at 55. 114 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,120 So I'm like my number is purple. I feel like that's a good thing. 115 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:47,480 So I'm like I'm not like cutting edge eye level content, but I'm 116 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,320 like, I still feel like I I'm progressing my character and I'm 117 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,560 still getting pieces that matter, you know, probably two 118 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,800 or three times a week I'm getting a piece of gear that's 119 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,200 replacing something I already have and that just feels good. 120 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,720 It feels like I'm progressing without having this like, I 121 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,680 don't know, axe over my head being like you shall progress. 122 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:14,280 So it's it's been a lot more enjoyable than even War Within. 123 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,840 OK, now you haven't been part of a static rating team, you said. 124 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:24,200 Have you dipped your toes into story mode or LFR? 125 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:30,360 Not at all, which again is a very like freeing feeling. 126 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,920 I know that that content is there and I can go see it 127 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,480 whenever I want to go see it. I think that what I'm probably 128 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,600 going to do is do all my loremaster stuff, so go over 129 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,600 into like the troll area and then go to the void area. 130 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,720 And I, I don't know how everyone else feels about this. 131 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:52,640 I don't love the root area, the, the like new race area thing, 132 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,880 like with all the, the tree roots and stuff. 133 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,840 And like to the point that when I was, even when I was questing, 134 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,040 I was like, I'm barely listening to what you're saying. 135 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,160 Like I really don't care. I was like, there's something 136 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,120 about the big tree, like world tree roots or something and 137 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,040 somebody's rotten and someone's light infested and everything's 138 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,680 bad. And I'm like, OK, roots, roots, 139 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:11,880 roots. When do I get out of here? 140 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:17,320 Roots, roots, roots. Yeah, Tarindar has been a hot 141 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,960 box, a hot button topic for a number of things. 142 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,760 Maybe I'll, I'll spoil this for you. 143 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:29,120 So 1 is that the zone has been like identified as lifted out of 144 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,400 the war within and transplanted into midnight. 145 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,000 It's not created new for for midnight. 146 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:38,080 So is that like they meant it to be in War Within and it didn't 147 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,960 make the cut? So the story is that War Within 148 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,120 was part way through development when they decided to shift into 149 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,440 this trilogy The world Soul saw. OK. 150 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,920 Yeah. And so while they were 151 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:56,040 rearranging stuff, this was her and our or the Root Lands, as it 152 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,440 was originally called, was going to be in the the War Within 153 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,360 expansion and then got transplanted. 154 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,480 OK, because that is that is my like, one thing that I think is 155 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:11,080 very my like my one big criticism of the midnight 156 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,880 expansion so far is it feels very disjointed, right? 157 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,880 You have this weird root land place. 158 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,400 You've got this void planet thing, twisting nether, 159 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,880 whatever. And then you've got like your 160 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,440 two zones that are actually grounded in Azeroth and right 161 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,840 next to each other. And I found that like I really 162 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,600 enjoyed those two stories again, like it went back to a lot of 163 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,800 the Alvin troll history and you know, dealt with some stuff that 164 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,800 was like raids back in like burning, Burning Crusade, 165 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,840 probably when Blood Elves came in. 166 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,320 Again, like that wasn't when I was playing the game originally. 167 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,320 So I wasn't as clear. It's like that. 168 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,320 That was one of the things where I was like I knew the lore 169 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,440 there, but I didn't play the lore, which I think makes it hit 170 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,520 a little different. But I recognized all the 171 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:58,920 characters. I recognized the names. 172 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,480 Some of it I recognized from Hearthstone and playing those 173 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:06,400 cards right. So I feel like connected with 174 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,000 those two zones a whole lot more. 175 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,280 And the void kind of made sense, like the void zone part because 176 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,560 I was like, OK, you know, Zaltath is attacking us from 177 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:17,720 there. Like that's what that feels 178 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,440 like. OK, we're going somewhere else, 179 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:20,920 but it's somewhere else that makes sense. 180 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,080 The root people never made sense to me. 181 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,080 And if they're if they came from War within, that's where I we 182 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,920 were underground that whole time. 183 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,600 I feel like a root area makes so much more sense in war within. 184 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,080 So now that you're telling me that that makes sense is where 185 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,320 this zone came from, because as someone who has been like, I 186 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:45,680 think the last the last expansion that I really engaged 187 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:48,720 with not only from a rating perspective, but from like a 188 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,000 story and lore and characters and everything else. 189 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,520 And you know, played start to finish with shadow lands. 190 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,280 After shadow lands I fell off hard. 191 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,480 I say very similar to War within with Dragonflight. 192 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,280 I played the first the first patch and then didn't play 193 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,200 anything else after that. Just fell right off of it. 194 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,640 And I think I can see myself sticking with Midnight just 195 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:16,240 because as a Horde player, I feel like it's going back to my 196 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,160 stuff. I feel like it's been, you know, 197 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,400 Shadow lands ended all the Silvana stuff like, and then it 198 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,960 was like they didn't want to touch the Horde for a while. 199 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,720 And you know, I again, I didn't engage too much of Dragonfly and 200 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,240 I didn't engage too much with War Within. 201 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,720 So, you know, Lor nerds, don't get mad at me. 202 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,560 I don't know lore anymore. So I'm not saying that there was 203 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:41,240 no Horde presence, I'm saying that as a mostly like 204 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,480 disconnected player, I didn't feel the horde presence, like 205 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,520 the horde story wasn't really front and center and I had a lot 206 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,720 of trouble connecting with stuff because of that. 207 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,560 So now we're back to, you know, the blood elf side and and you 208 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:57,400 know, we could just spend time in Silver Moon. 209 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,840 We get to spend time in ever song and that just makes my 210 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,880 little horde heart happy. So I think I will be sticking 211 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,560 with midnight. But again, like Lornerd's don't 212 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:10,480 get mad at me. Even watching like the 213 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,240 previously on I was like this story doesn't make any sense. 214 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,240 Like what is happening? It's like we jump from like one 215 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,680 place with the with the Nerubians to another place with 216 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,120 somebody else in another place and all of a sudden we're with 217 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,840 the Oh crap. What are they called? 218 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,040 The the, the, oh, the broker guys. 219 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,280 Oh yeah. Ethereals. 220 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,840 Ethereals. Ethereals in general, it's the 221 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,520 it's. The IT was, it was very 222 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,600 confusing watching like what happened in War Within. 223 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,000 I was just like, OK, so now there's the there's like a God 224 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,720 or something in a necklace. Yeah, yeah. 225 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:57,200 OK, whatever you say, give me the Hearthstone Tavern and I'm 226 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,400 happy. I mean, obviously in the initial 227 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,200 part you were talking about doing the soiree with the with 228 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,680 the blood elves. Have you been enjoying the 229 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:07,840 Tavern? The the. 230 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,280 Argentina, the Argentina, thank you, yes, very much. 231 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,600 Again, like when I'm not forced to interact with very specific 232 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,000 content, then I'm able to explore the world a whole lot 233 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,640 more. And I have really enjoyed the 234 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,200 Argentina because you're going to like all different places all 235 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,560 over Azeroth and finding these like, I guess like artifacts and 236 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,160 display pieces that then you have to find a place for in the 237 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:34,560 Tavern. And I'm like, there's just 238 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:36,800 something about that. Like once a week I just go to 239 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,800 the Tavern, I check in, I'm like, hey, how's it going? 240 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,640 What are we finding this week? What story are we going back to? 241 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,480 And it's been really enjoyable. It's just one of those things 242 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,920 where you just have to go do it once, experience it, enjoy it, 243 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,160 and then it's done. And there's no like pressure 244 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,840 because there's like a piece of or 90 gear back there or 245 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,760 something. I don't know. 246 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,800 I don't even know my my. I'm gonna help you out. 247 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,000 You're at 2:55 and that's the the range we're in. 248 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,520 I apologize. I didn't think it would matter, 249 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,080 but this is We're coming back. Dude, No. 250 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,880 It just that's how disconnected I am with all of the like the 251 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,720 number side of the content, like the the keeping track of things. 252 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:22,800 And I mean, I've been so I guess focused on finding my joy and, 253 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,800 and playing my own path through the game. 254 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:30,200 I've been doing a lot of archaeology because I was trying 255 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,960 to get the little like clockwork gnome guy for pet battles 256 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,480 because I want to go win the celestial tournament, which is 257 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,720 Pandaria content. But I'm like, I never did this. 258 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,040 I stopped engaging with pet battles because it's it's the 259 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,520 kind of thing that I just didn't have time for when I was 260 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,160 constantly trying to make sure that my eye level was correct 261 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,400 and that my stats were right and I had all my gems and I was 262 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,880 getting all the things and making all the food and the 263 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,280 potions and the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 264 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,160 When I don't have to do any of that, I'm like, what could be 265 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,480 fun? Oh, you know what's adorable 266 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,840 pets. Like, let me go back through 267 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,720 those achievements and just find stuff I haven't done before. 268 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,120 And it's like I'm going all the way back into all this old 269 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,720 content because I don't even have like my collect all the 270 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,280 pets from this expand, like all the wild pets from this 271 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,640 expansion, Like I was getting like my drain or safari things. 272 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,800 And I'm like guild's making fun of me in Guild chat. 273 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,280 Like Josh is the new Pokémon master. 274 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,840 I'm like, I'm just trying to get caught up because I don't have 275 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,440 to raid anymore. So it's like I can poke at all 276 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,400 of the different things that there are to do and all the old 277 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:38,280 expansions and not have to worry that I'm wasting my time. 278 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,600 Air quotes. That is amazing. 279 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,760 I guess I want to go through like different parts of the game 280 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,280 and see if you're connecting with them. 281 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,000 So obviously you were just talking about pet battling. 282 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,920 Delves was something you just mentioned as the main thing. 283 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,880 How how are delves in Midnight for you versus like the War 284 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,000 Within? Do these hike have a little bit 285 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:05,640 more longevity for you? Yeah, so again, I feel like I 286 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,120 I've connected with them both pretty much the same way. 287 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:14,080 I feel like I maybe understand them a little bit better and I'm 288 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,280 just better at making my way through them. 289 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,520 I made it to Tier 11 pretty quickly but I've still really 290 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,440 enjoyed them because I I like how the like bountiful thing 291 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,800 like moves so you don't just always go to your same comfort 292 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,760 delves all the time and there's different iterations of them and 293 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,640 it was pretty similar for me in war within. 294 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,400 Like I enjoyed them about the same, I just didn't enjoy the 295 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:44,120 larger expansion so I fell off. But I feel like I'll probably 296 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,280 stay in midnight just because I enjoy logging in once or twice a 297 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,320 week and just like puttering around and doing things and 298 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,800 delves is a really big part of that. 299 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,600 That's probably my most like end game content. 300 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,920 I don't even know if delves count, but it's just really nice 301 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,079 to have challenging content that I can play as a solo player 302 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,200 because that was always my big thing is I was like, it's it's 303 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:14,200 difficult for me to at this point in my life, find time that 304 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:19,160 I can actually pull other people who have just as busy lives into 305 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,920 group content. And you know, without having 306 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,079 like a long standing like day saying like yes, we get together 307 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:28,920 every Friday night and we run, you know, Mythic Plus and stuff, 308 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,960 which you know, Manny and I did with another group of three 309 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,600 other people for a while. I just couldn't commit to that 310 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,480 because I was like, you know, I was having like 2 nights a week 311 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:44,000 of raid and then I had gamers in and then I had, you know, I was 312 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,680 basically down to well, I mean, Manny and I also have a Frost 313 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,680 Haven group. We play board games on Sunday 314 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,960 nights. So I was like, I basically now 315 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:57,040 have my, my Saturday night free. And even that is like free again 316 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,280 in air quotes because you know, weekends being weekends when you 317 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,000 work all week. So I'm like, if I, if I commit 318 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,440 to a raid team, if I commit to a mythic plus team, then before 319 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,760 you know it, I just, I have no more evenings to the no 320 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,840 flexibility in my schedule. So it just really didn't work 321 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,000 for me. So the fact that they've brought 322 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,320 in things like delves that can be, that can be challenging. 323 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:26,320 Like even at my, you know, I get level like 1011 delves. 324 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,200 Like there's times I'm dying. Like there was that. 325 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,240 I think it was released a little bit later. 326 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,840 I'm trying to remember. It's the one that's kind of like 327 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,280 a round behind Silver Moon. Oh, the dark way. 328 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,680 Maybe. Or is. 329 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:41,920 The Plaza or something? Parhelion Plaza. 330 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,640 So there's two, yes. There's the Dark way that's at 331 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,120 the docks, and then a week later the Parhelion Plaza unlocked. 332 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:48,680 As well, the Plaza is. The last one. 333 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:51,640 Yeah, the Plaza is the one I was thinking of and I went in and it 334 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,560 took me like, well, I went in at 11 because I was like, I do 335 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,960 dumps at 11 and why would I do anything else? 336 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,000 And it took me like 5 or 6 attempts to kill that boss. 337 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,280 And I was like, oh, maybe I should have gone in at like 9 or 338 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,600 10, but but I got there. And I feel like that's the kind 339 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,120 of content that I'm looking for as a single player is something 340 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:13,920 that I can go into that's going to challenge me, that's going to 341 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,600 kill me. And then I'm going to have to 342 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,240 adjust my play style and actually make a strategy. 343 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,160 But I don't have to go like look for a strategy. 344 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,640 It's like, it's a very delicate balance, I think between making 345 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,040 something so punishing that nobody can get past it or making 346 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,120 it way too easy and just allowing your, because I at this 347 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:41,320 point am a very average player. So like making it so that your 348 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,360 average player can look at their spells and look at their kit and 349 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:47,200 be like, hey, I need to make sure that I'm, you know, 350 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,480 interrupting this spell. Like I've done it four Times 351 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,000 Now. This is the thing that kills me. 352 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,680 I have to make sure I interrupt is up. 353 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,000 Like that's the kind of thing that I want out of single player 354 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,720 content where I don't have to go get a friend with more 355 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,560 interrupts. I just have to like look at 356 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,880 what's happening in front of me and play the game. 357 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,480 And they've done a really good job. 358 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,480 As far as I can tell. They've done a really good job 359 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,760 in Dells. Maybe more hardcore players feel 360 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,640 differently, but as someone who plays once or twice a week on a 361 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,280 good week, I feel like there's a good balance there. 362 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,880 Bringing up interrupts and knowing what the what affects 363 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,400 you, that kind of goes into one of the big things with Midnight, 364 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,200 which is this overhaul that they've done with both the 365 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:34,720 classes themselves, simplifying or rather streamlining those as 366 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,440 well as adjusting the UI. So no more week or is how have 367 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,040 you interacted with the game in this? 368 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,600 Like add on apocalypses, they've called it before. 369 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,320 I think I've been really lucky because I was out of it for a 370 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,480 little while. So I mean, I loved my weak 371 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,440 auras, loved them. I do really miss it because I 372 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,680 feel like I have a lot less information now. 373 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,920 But at the same time, I feel like that information doesn't 374 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,960 matter quite as much just because I'm not doing like 375 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,600 heroic or mythic rating because I am not doing mythic Plus. 376 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,560 I'm like, do I actually really need to know if my bleed is 377 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:21,440 constantly up on the target? Like probably not realistically. 378 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,640 Like for the content that I'm doing for the level that I'm 379 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,800 playing at, I don't need all of the information that my weak 380 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,080 auras were were giving me. I have not rated, so I feel like 381 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,280 I would be I that would be a stretch for me to actually get 382 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,720 back to the level that I was without a weak aura. 383 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,440 I think like I said, I haven't actually rated so I don't know. 384 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,960 Maybe they have simplified things to the point where I 385 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,800 don't need that level of information in order to perform 386 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,960 and it's more about timing and positioning and that kind of 387 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,440 stuff, which I do think is really important in rating. 388 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,480 And the part that I liked the most was, you know, having to 389 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,880 position certain ways for certain mechanics. 390 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,840 That was always my favorite thing is like having to get to a 391 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,320 place with a certain number of people to soak the thing. 392 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,280 Having to make sure that you're like not in the tail super, not 393 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,440 in the frontal cone, you know, having things falling from the 394 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,840 sky and having to move around to get out of the way. 395 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:16,120 It was that movement that I always thought was what made the 396 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:17,880 fights the most interesting because you weren't just 397 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,320 standing there spamming your buttons. 398 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,920 I say that as a hunter, obviously I can move a whole lot 399 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,600 more than most, if not all classes, so I get it. 400 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,440 But those were that was always my favorite raid mechanics were 401 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,720 the ones that made you have to think about where you were and 402 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,520 what you were doing and how you were doing it. 403 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,640 So, you know, I, I think those are the things I don't 404 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,040 necessarily need weak auras for. I think Wow has been really good 405 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,920 at even I've noticed like in the world boss fights and stuff 406 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,440 after rating, I can tell what abilities from like the world 407 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,000 bosses need to be soaked or need to be avoided. 408 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,520 Like they, their symbology is very good. 409 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:01,880 So yeah, I, I think like maybe I'd be OK, maybe in rating, but 410 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:09,240 I, I miss my weak aura for sure. I do think again, I'm a hunter, 411 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:14,040 I'm a beastmaster hunter. I have three buttons and I kind 412 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,400 of hate it because I'm like, I might as well use like the auto 413 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,080 button because there's like, I mean, there already wasn't a 414 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,160 whole lot to the class. I feel like now there's even 415 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,720 less to the hunter. And to the point that I've been 416 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,520 looking at the other specs, 'cause I'm like, even though I'm 417 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,400 just kind of like going around doing some world class and not 418 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,040 do and, and, you know, filling out Loremaster and not really 419 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:41,000 doing any like sustained fights. I still am getting bored 'cause 420 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,520 I'm like, you know, Barb shot, kill, command, cobra shot, 421 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,760 repeat. Like look. 422 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,440 For a little bit more meat in that rotation. 423 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,880 Exactly the fact that I know the names of my spells, that is. 424 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,800 That is not OK. That is. 425 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,920 Just not how it should be. I should be being like, yeah, 426 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,480 the red one and then the green one, and then I don't even know, 427 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,160 'cause there's eighteen colors and things are always flashing. 428 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,360 No, Hunter's three things. I, I, I don't know if you. 429 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:14,560 Count your your cool down but I I don't. 18 things flashing at 430 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,680 you and I don't know, sounds like a trauma response and 431 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:24,200 you've been you need to. Yeah, maybe I need to look at 432 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,720 myself a little bit. It's like when things are calm 433 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,440 and there aren't 18 things to manage, then that's when I start 434 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,680 to get stressed out. Yeah, you're right that I think 435 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,560 this might be a me thing. It might be a World of Warcraft 436 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,280 thing. I think we're all a little bit 437 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,720 in that same boat, but you're looking at the different specs 438 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,280 and so you're going from Beastmaster and you're looking 439 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,600 at the other ones. Have you been looking at like 440 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,920 the different hero talents and different specs and being like, 441 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,480 oh, this one looks cool? Or has has your thoughts drifted 442 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,600 to like, oh, what 1 performs the best when you're really just 443 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,760 playing like this? The content that you're playing 444 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,800 like, does that pull still matter to you at all? 445 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:12,600 So many What are hero talents? That is, that is the level of 446 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,920 Wow I'm playing right now. So when you're when you're 447 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,080 choosing your spec. Yes. 448 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,600 No, I know. It's the big button in the 449 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,760 middle that lets me choose. Yeah, So I'm not in the middle. 450 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,600 Yeah, the big thing in the middle. 451 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,720 Yeah, I'm not. I'm not totally, completely out 452 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,640 of the jargon, but I mean, I can't even tell you as a 453 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,200 Beastmaster hunter which one I chose. 454 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,480 Like I, I'm pretty sure I went in and just chose like starter 455 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,840 build or something. And like, I have not touched it. 456 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,640 I have not looked at it because again, I'm not engaging with any 457 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,080 sort of content where that matters at all. 458 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,680 Like we're talking about changes of like 2 to 5%. 459 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:58,360 I don't give a like, I just I, I just really don't care and I 460 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:03,000 feel like that is the healthiest Wow mentality I have had since I 461 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,440 started playing the game. I'm like, I really and truly, 462 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,440 honestly don't care. And for the most part I've 463 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,080 picked passive, which is probably why my rotation is only 464 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,560 three buttons. But I've picked like passive 465 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,440 overactive a lot. And I'm just like, you know 466 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,640 what? I just don't want to think about 467 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,760 it. I want to just go and be a 468 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,080 hunter and tell my pets to go bite things. 469 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,360 And you know, like that is enough of the fantasy for me 470 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:29,240 right now. So I have also been levelling up 471 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,440 some of my other characters. So I've got my Rep pally, my 472 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,040 shadow priest and my mage. I haven't really touched my 473 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,440 shaman. Is shaman still fun? 474 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,400 So I've been playing enhancement shaman. 475 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,640 I've recently switched to elemental shaman. 476 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,680 Elemental shaman is really flashy, really like you know, 477 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,720 lightning bolts going everywhere and all of that sort of things. 478 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,280 All the effects are there. The way that I describe it is a 479 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,520 whole lot of sizzle. And then if you are min maxi 480 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,600 there, maybe we start questioning about the steak, but 481 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,280 it's it's it's pulling numbers. It's more survivable. 482 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,720 Actually, little aside shaman talk enhancement finally coming 483 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,960 came with some buffs to it because it was underperforming. 484 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,080 These are these are the patch note words, not mine. 485 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:27,200 Underperforming in both raids and mythic plus, which is like 486 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,760 well OK that's everything to me. I was going to say, I think I 487 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,360 have proven over the last half hour that that is not in fact 488 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,920 everything, but I get what you mean. 489 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,320 That like 4 people who are playing at that higher level, 490 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,320 that more hardcore level than absolutely Mythic Plus and and 491 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,560 raids are the the stick by which we measure all. 492 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,360 I get it, Yeah. For anybody who is like, 493 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,400 involved enough that they're actually reading patch notes, 494 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,720 yes. Then yes, yeah, I haven't read a 495 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,840 patch note in like 4 years and I'm so much happier for it. 496 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,720 Aw, I'll tell Kyvax you said hi though. 497 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,200 Anyway, OK, so that's, that's where we're at with like, you 498 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,840 know, how much the balancing is affecting you, how much you're 499 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,160 like deciding. Yeah, big. 500 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,400 Doughnut on that. So then what about things that 501 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,800 aren't about like numbers tuning for damage and such? 502 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,480 Do you dabble in professions at all? 503 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,080 So not so much honestly, I just, I have my double gathering 504 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,520 profession. So I just have my herbs in my 505 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,680 minds and I just as I'm going through and existing in the 506 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,280 world, I'm getting those too, which is kind of a nice little 507 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,240 like passive gold come on the back end because I'm like, I'm 508 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,240 out here anyway. I'm not rushing to anything. 509 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,920 I might as well like pick all the flowers as I go. 510 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,560 Like, I don't think you understand how like calm of a 511 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,280 wild wire I am now, Manny. I'm like, there's flowers over 512 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,520 there. Snoop, Snoop, Snoop. 513 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,960 I'm literally stopping to smell the roses and wow. 514 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,160 Have you touched the prey system? 515 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,400 Yes, OK, so yes, that's another thing because I am basically out 516 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,280 clearing my world quest all the time. 517 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,760 I found the prey system is makes the whole thing a lot more 518 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,440 different and engaging because I'm like I'm basically choosing 519 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,640 like a mini boss to follow me around and annoy the hell out of 520 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,160 me while I'm doing the world quest. 521 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:34,520 So, and I do find that it is, I, I think, and this might be total 522 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,040 and complete coincidence, but it seems like a very intelligent 523 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,640 system because I will basically be like in a world quest, I'll 524 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,800 pull a big group of mobs, I will blow all my cooldowns, all my 1 525 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,160 cooldown, and then will like have nothing left. 526 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,120 And then the little mini boss guy will show up And I'm like, 527 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,600 oh man, I have nothing for you right now. 528 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,600 And I've also pulled five other things. 529 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,880 And it seems like when I'm just like wandering around doing not 530 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,000 much, it's, I don't get ambushed. 531 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,960 It's, you know, when I, when I have no cooldowns left, when 532 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,600 I've got, you know, a whole bunch of things that are trying 533 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,680 to hit me all at the same time, That's when they show up. 534 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,840 And it does make you like think about things a little bit more 535 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,920 and maybe change and alter how you play. 536 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,600 I've really enjoyed the prey system that's mostly like the 537 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,720 kind of like world repeatable, like world events, the delves 538 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,360 the prey system like and, and just world quest in general is 539 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,840 really what I've been engaging in the most. 540 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,440 I haven't really been doing, I do the follower dungeons every 541 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,440 once in a while, like mostly just to see the story or, you 542 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,000 know, just poke around and play some dungeon mechanics when I 543 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,920 know I've got time. But yeah, I've really enjoyed 544 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,080 the prey system. I think it's a it's a good 545 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,920 addition. I feel like maybe I'm I've out 546 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,400 levelled it at this point because like today I was playing 547 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,360 through and I I did all the hard guys. 548 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,080 I was like none of you guys are particularly hard anymore where 549 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,440 I feel like the first week, no, I don't know what nightmare mode 550 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,640 is. There's one more difficulty on 551 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,600 top. OK, yeah, so I need to figure 552 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,400 out how to unlock that then because I I did all my hard guys 553 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,640 today and I was like meh, you guys really aren't that great. 554 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,920 Where is before they were like. Cold opening because out of 555 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,640 contact cost. It just, it's one of those 556 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,560 things where they were really difficult in the first week or 557 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,760 two I engaged with the system. But now with me being 755 or 558 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,800 whatever, I'm just going to keep doing that to you, Manny. 559 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,600 Not what I knew was purposeful. I'm like, I'm not thinking. 560 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,040 But yeah, like now that my item level is so much higher and I've 561 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,640 engaged with the system and I'm starting to see the same, the 562 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,680 same adversaries, I'm like, OK, I know what to do here. 563 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,480 And it becomes a little bit more trivial. 564 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,400 So knowing that there's a whole other difficulty level, man, 565 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,920 I've been slacking. You've been going at your own 566 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,120 pace, you've been enjoying the IT, you're now hungry for more 567 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,680 and so it's good that the difficulty is there, OK? 568 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,080 Yeah, and it's funny too, because like, I have not like 569 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,640 read an article. I have not. 570 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,520 Like I said, I haven't read any patch notes. 571 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,560 Like I'm literally just moving through Warcraft with whatever 572 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,840 they throw in front of me. And if I don't get a quest 573 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,480 thrown in front of me, I'm like, I had no idea that that was a 574 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,400 thing. So yeah, even the, like, they 575 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,080 throw follower dungeons right in front of you, which I very much 576 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,280 appreciated because except it took me longer than I care to 577 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,800 admit to figure out how to, like, get back into them without 578 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,160 the quest. I was like, I get I'm going to 579 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,280 like the meeting stones and then like walking up to every NPC and 580 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,080 I'm, do you want to come with me? 581 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,400 Is this how I start them? Then like, I click on them and 582 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,560 they're like, what are you bothering me for? 583 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,600 No one ever even realizes I'm here. 584 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,400 Like I just. I just want some friends please. 585 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,880 I, I, I think that you would have to explain to me how to do 586 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,280 fall or dungeons because I did them like the once and I'm just 587 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:12,920 sort of like never again. Like I know, I I know that 588 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,040 they're supposed to be for people who, you know, again, 589 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,880 don't, don't have the time to like get a group together or 590 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,400 maybe have anxiety about group group content. 591 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,320 Which is 100% me. I'm like, I do not want to be in 592 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,960 here with real people. That is like my no thank you. 593 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,960 I just like I don't play any important role. 594 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,320 Like I'm not a healer, I'm not a tank, but I am still envisioning 595 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,920 people just yelling at me and I'm like, I don't need that in 596 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,400 my life. Give me the give me the NPCS 597 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,200 please. I'm like. 598 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:50,000 Listen, that anxiety is from top to bottom, Sean, Hall of Fame. 599 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,360 Sean, we're going to keep doing that too because he just got 600 00:33:52,360 --> 00:34:02,560 Hall of Fame. He does keys at at the Keystone 601 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,800 level 1, like different characters and all that. 602 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,000 And he does, he doesn't do the competitive flag. 603 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,880 He like filters those out because he doesn't want to deal 604 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,199 with the same sort of yelling and everything. 605 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,960 And I, I myself soon as they added that filter, I'm like, 606 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,239 Yep, just relaxed. I'm not going to do a learner at 607 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,960 like the key levels that I'm doing because I feel like you're 608 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,320 should be beyond learner at that point. 609 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,080 But I. Didn't even know that that was a 610 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,080 thing. I didn't even I stumbled across, 611 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,239 I think it was automatic. Jack was streaming live on 612 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,280 TikTok and I stumbled across him this evening and I saw that like 613 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,440 there were those extra like competitive, relaxed, whatever 614 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,000 flags on the group Finder. And I was like, wonder what that 615 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,159 is? Is that a thing that they're 616 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,719 everyone's typing in now? I'm like, way to go community. 617 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,480 No, it's it's a Warcraft thing. OK. 618 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:53,719 It's a nice, it's good now, obviously, because it's just A 619 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,040 tag that says relaxed versus competitive. 620 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:57,840 What? Competitive is what. 621 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,800 Relax is what? Learner is it's up. 622 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,040 To for interpretation. So I go by what? 623 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,240 It's not right. If I go into a relaxed key, I'm 624 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:13,760 not expecting these people to like bail out the first time we 625 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,680 wipe, right? If I go into a learner key, I'm 626 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,600 not expecting that if we're not timing. 627 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,160 We're not finishing this, Yeah. Like we might, we might time it. 628 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,560 You could have some learning, but like I have a higher 629 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,160 expectation that like we won't time time this. 630 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,640 So I do like that that kind of filter exists. 631 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,360 But at the same point, if I wanted to do a a follow 632 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,120 retention, just because it's like, you know what? 633 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,960 I don't want to talk to anybody. I just want to do this for a 634 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,240 quest. There's weekly quest to do 635 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,920 whatever dungeon, right? And some of them are not 636 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:53,640 dungeons in the current season. So yeah, knowing how to do a 637 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,680 follower dungeon is something I might need to get you to teach 638 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,720 me. It's literally you just queue 639 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:00,280 for it like you do any other dungeon. 640 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,040 It's just an option in the drop down now is to queue for 641 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,240 follower dungeon. OK. 642 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,160 Yeah, no. Well, but if you're not looking 643 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,360 for it, like there are so many systems and so many windows and 644 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,920 UI pieces to Warcraft now because the game is just so big 645 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,000 that I don't blame you for not knowing where things are half 646 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,880 the time. I don't know where things are 647 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,160 more than half the time now. But you know, like there are a 648 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,720 lot of menus and and buttons and things to navigate. 649 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,360 Not surprised that you don't know where follower dungeons is 650 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,040 in the one drop down menu. Like you're not looking. 651 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,920 Forward to know everything. Hold your comment reader #27. 652 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,880 Yeah, no, it's definitely there's a lot to the game now. 653 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,000 That's actually one thing that I haven't engaged with as much is 654 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,200 housing is. And that was kind of surprised 655 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,560 because like to me, the housing system is almost too 656 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,000 overwhelming. Like there's too much to it all 657 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,560 at once because I mean, like, you basically have to make that 658 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,200 your entire game. Like that is your end game is 659 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,600 housing. I mean, there are so many 660 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,720 different ways to earn those cosmetics. 661 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,960 They're all over the place in all of the old expansions and 662 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,000 everything too. It just vendors across 663 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,160 everywhere. And I think even not only just 664 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,520 collecting all of those cosmetics, but then also having 665 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,680 to take the time to go back to your house and to place 666 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,720 everything and like that is a game in and of itself. 667 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,200 I am sure that in fact, I know because I follow some of them on 668 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,440 TikTok that is their entire World of Warcraft is, is just 669 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,000 they go into their house and they play The Sims and that is 670 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,640 totally fine. And that is amazing that that 671 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,480 system exists now. I engaged with it right off the 672 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,400 bat and very quickly bounced off of it just because I was like, 673 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,960 this isn't the game that I, that I personally play Warcraft for 674 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,240 like I like the combat. I like the the larger story, but 675 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,920 the fact that that system exists is crazy. 676 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,360 Like it is so robust and there is so much to it, so much so 677 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,360 that I don't even understand everything that there is to it. 678 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,680 So yeah, I think that like there, there just is so much in 679 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,040 World of Warcraft now that there are tons and tons of systems to 680 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,600 engage with. And I'm not surprised that you 681 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,280 don't know where absolutely every single little thing is 682 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,400 Many. OK, so housing, that was 683 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,960 something I that I did want to get to. 684 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,040 But yeah, I like, I do love that, you know, you know, 685 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,120 exists. You tried it. 686 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,320 The fact that you bounce off it because it's so expansive 687 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,200 already. And it's like housing just came 688 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,920 out of early release at the beginning of midnight. 689 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,280 So clearly they've made a big splash with it. 690 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,800 Now obviously you you liked one of my posts that I put put up 691 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:56,720 about one of the packages. That is a whole other There's 692 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:59,920 not much that makes me rage about Warcraft these days 693 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,600 because of the way I'm engaging with it. 694 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,560 But this is something that we have seen not only in World of 695 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,440 Warcraft. I'm I will die on the hill that 696 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,160 this is what killed Heroes of the Storm is like this kind of 697 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:19,240 pricing where digital cosmetic goods are coming up to, you 698 00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:23,000 know, forty $5075. That's disgusting. 699 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,400 That's the cost of an entire game. 700 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,400 And it's not even a Blizzard specific thing. 701 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,680 Like it happens over in Fortnite and everything else to like 702 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,000 anywhere there are cosmetics. Those prices have been creeping 703 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,920 up. But the thing that really pisses 704 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,960 me off is putting another currency. 705 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,560 And again, this is not Blizzard specific. 706 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,840 This is everywhere, putting another currency between you and 707 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,280 the price so that you don't understand how much money you're 708 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,840 spending when you buy the thing in game. 709 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,000 That makes me very angry because that is not consumer friendly at 710 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,320 all. And I think when you combine 711 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,200 rising prices with that kind of obscuring of what the price 712 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,360 actually is, that's when you're just asking for the system to 713 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,240 fail. Like I think they try to do it 714 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,320 to trick people into it, and people just end up seeing posts 715 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,880 like here's Manny where it's like, wait, this thing is 75 716 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,200 real life American dollars. What? 717 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,320 It's a tree. A digital tree A. 718 00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:19,680 Digital tree. It's like, how much would the 719 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:21,800 lumber cost make a tree house in my backyard? 720 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,560 Yeah, like, literally, if I went to like a nursery right now and 721 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,480 went and bought a baby Maple tree, it would cost me 75 real 722 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,440 dollars, and that's a real tree to plant in my yard. 723 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,880 Like, come on, people. These are digital goods. 724 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,520 This is insanity. So with like the store doing all 725 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,880 these things, we've got the $75 tree and the $40 flying squirrel 726 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,280 bundle. I'm assuming that like, unless 727 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,920 people are pointing it out to you, like unfortunately I did, 728 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,960 this is all sort of flowing under the radar for you. 729 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,720 The store hasn't become so invasive in game that you're 730 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:02,080 seeing this stuff right? Oh yeah, no, not at all. 731 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,840 I mean, the pop ups that I see in game now are basically just 732 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,120 like the when there's a new patch, like hey, guess what, 733 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,920 this new content is out here. I haven't notice pop ups from 734 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,280 the store. Maybe I've just been because 735 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,440 usually I just dismiss them because I'm like read patch 736 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,800 notes. So maybe they have been store 737 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,040 pop ups and I just haven't noticed because I don't engage 738 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,960 with the pop ups at all. But for the most part, the store 739 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,600 hasn't really been to in my face or to bothersome really. 740 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,200 But I do find it like super frustrating just the the cost of 741 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,080 things. And it like it's really nice 742 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,360 that there are whales who will probably pay those prices. 743 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:42,640 But I think it's starting to be in this economy. 744 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,400 It's starting to be a really, really big ask, right? 745 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,320 And and it's also part of what has discouraged me from getting 746 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,040 too involved involved with housing is because it does seem 747 00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,440 like there's an element of the best of the best stuff, like all 748 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,480 of the coolest things, all of the most detailed items and 749 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,320 everything else are behind that paywall. 750 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,920 Like you can find a lot of really cool stuff in game. 751 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,720 And that's a lot of the creators that I follow over on TikTok who 752 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:14,840 are making housing content will say like this is very 753 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,560 specifically items from like XYZ vendors and not using premium 754 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,320 content in order to create these things. 755 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,240 And the things that they are making are insane. 756 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,200 Like they, the things that they have created. 757 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,120 And it honestly, that's part of the deterrent too, is I'm like, 758 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,440 my brain doesn't work like that. Yeah. 759 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,320 They're like, oh, yeah, you just have to like, take this lamp and 760 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,200 flip it over backwards and then turn it 60° and you'll have a 761 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,600 coffee maker. And I'm like what the hell? 762 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,040 That makes as much sense as like, you know, the Transformers 763 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,840 movies. It's like, it's like, wait, 764 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,640 what? Exactly how did that robot 765 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,760 become a car again? Yeah, it's exactly like that 766 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,320 where, you know, I just like don't have the money to engage 767 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,240 with all of the like super fancy pre made stuff. 768 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,640 Don't have the brain to engage with the go buy 10 of this thing 769 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,040 and all of a sudden you'll have a a floral fountain in the 770 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,280 middle of your house. So like I'm kind of stuck with 771 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,840 the the few things that I've earned and you know, like my 772 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,680 house is, I think I might have upgraded to like a medium house 773 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,200 right away. And I was like, this is too big. 774 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,720 This is too much space. I don't know what to do with all 775 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:26,520 of the space. But that being said, I can very 776 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,760 much recognize the coolness of the system because I really 777 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,600 liked in particular the part of your house when I came in to see 778 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,760 it like literally day one. It's probably totally changed 779 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:42,000 now, but you had like your hall of accomplishments and like, it 780 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,000 was literally like a big hallway and you had like all of your 781 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,080 like raiding trophies and all that kind of stuff on the walls 782 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,240 and stuff. That to me was so cool. 783 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,080 The fact that you have a spot that you can go to and be like, 784 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,840 I helped kill Deathwing or, you know, like I had. 785 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,440 These are all of my accomplishments over all of the 786 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,840 years of Warcraft that I thought was really, really, really cool. 787 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,120 Oh, I'm glad that you like that. And generally I'm glad that the 788 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,560 store hasn't ruined everything. So overall for For Midnight, has 789 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,400 it like held your enthusiasm? Does it look promising? 790 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,720 Have you like heard about some of the new stuff coming? 791 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:26,680 So if I were to mention Labyrinth, do you do you have 792 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,640 any idea what that is? That went right over my head. 793 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:34,040 No idea. OK, I know we talked about 794 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,600 flexible mythic rating. You're like, oh wow, I'm really 795 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,280 glad that they were doing that. Obviously that's not something 796 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,680 that you would be pushing, pushing towards, but like what's 797 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,360 your thoughts on like that kind of angle? 798 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,600 Well, OK, you're so flexible. Mythic rating makes me so 799 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,920 excited because I know as a raid leader, when we were raiding 800 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,160 AOTC content, it was like you get to a certain point and when 801 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,720 you had a a good committed group where because heroic was 802 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,320 flexible, there was nothing left for you to do. 803 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,960 It's like you might get AOTC halfway through the season and 804 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,960 then it was like, OK, but we have 23 people or we have 17 805 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,760 people and you don't necessarily want to cut people because 806 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,280 you're not a hardcore mythic group. 807 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,760 You don't necessarily want to bring in randos because it is 808 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,040 so, so easy with even one or two people to ruin the tone of your 809 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,160 raid group. And I think that you can very 810 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,680 quickly kind of get to a place where nobody wants to play 811 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,960 anymore, either because you're cutting dedicated Raiders or 812 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,480 because you're bringing in randos. 813 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,320 Either way has the potential to totally disrupt the dynamic of 814 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,120 your group. And it only takes one raid patch 815 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,040 to not be able to come back from it, right? 816 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,000 And then you go into heroic in the next tier and people are 817 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,480 just like, I don't really want to be here or I went found a new 818 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:51,120 team or, you know, whatever. The dynamics of a raid are so 819 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,120 fragile. So I think like when you get a 820 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,600 good group and you're doing a certain amount of content, it's 821 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,480 nice that when you finish that content, there's another 822 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,040 challenge waiting for you. And I don't think that that 823 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,640 should be gated behind a certain specific number. 824 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,320 And I think that the higher level teams, the people who are 825 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,120 doing like race to world first and whatever, they're the ones 826 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,840 who can make those kind of decisions. 827 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,200 They're the ones that can easily say like you're benched if it 828 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,920 turns out that like 16 people is the magic number for this boss, 829 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,160 that makes it super easy because you only get like 3 of a really 830 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,200 difficult mechanic instead of four or five. 831 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,200 Let them figure that out. Who cares? 832 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:36,880 Like give the average player more to do and I think removing 833 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,800 that block and even if you want to keep it at 20 people until 834 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,120 Hall of Fame is full or whatever, and then make it 835 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,240 flexible. However you bring that system 836 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,560 in, having flexible mythic rating is such a good idea 837 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,800 because it's going to give those heroic teams something to do 838 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,720 another challenge, another push and keep them engaged through 839 00:46:57,720 --> 00:47:00,560 the entire tier instead of having people fall off when 840 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,600 there's still a month or two left and just be like I'll be 841 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,720 back next year. Like if you you're a 842 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:08,880 subscription based game like keep your Subs. 843 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,440 It seems like a no brainer to me and honestly I can't believe 844 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,000 it's taking them this long to even start. 845 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,080 You're talking about bringing in a system like that. 846 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,120 It's just it's so easy to me that that is absolutely what you 847 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,760 should be doing. OK. 848 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,880 I guess one thing you had said is like, you know, keeping 849 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,000 people engaged through until the next year. 850 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,720 One thing that's been coming up especially with this 12 point O 851 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:36,000 5 is like how quickly they've been going with this eight week 852 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,640 cadence, right? You're taking like 10 days 853 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,000 before the after the patch to play. 854 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,200 You're on your own sort of schedule. 855 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:47,520 So patches don't have the same impact for you, but do you find 856 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,440 that the game is going too slow, too fast, just right? 857 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:52,760 Like how do you like your porridge? 858 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,120 Honestly, I I've been pretty happy with the amount of things 859 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,040 there are for me to do. But again, that's not engaging 860 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,320 with the end game stuff right? Like I have enough delves 861 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,880 they've kept me happy. I would say that the stuff that 862 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:14,960 came out this like Void ritual stuff feels exactly the same as 863 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,840 what was already there. Like it's the same as what you 864 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,880 were doing in Void Storm Zone, whatever place, right? 865 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,400 Except for now it's on like the steps of Silver Moon and I'm 866 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,520 kind of like, okay, but it's the same so. 867 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:33,160 Yeah, strikes are definitely, well, I, I, I bounced off them, 868 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,920 but yeah, I would say they're kind of the same. 869 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,240 Yeah, it's like you have a few waves and then there's like a 870 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:41,400 big boss or whatever. And it didn't seem like that 871 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,280 impactful. It was just the same thing in 872 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,280 another place, at least again to me. 873 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,880 Who's not engaging with it on any sort of like really truly 874 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,040 meaningful level. So I was kind of like, OK, this 875 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,400 is kind of like a blah, whatever. 876 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,000 It's just another thing for me to do in Eversong, which is 877 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,800 good. I'll always take more content in 878 00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,440 the zone that I love to be in. Cool. 879 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:05,760 But yeah, like it hasn't really impacted me necessarily. 880 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,840 I did do one of, I did do a ritual thing today, which I 881 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,280 thought was pretty cool because it's basically like a repurposed 882 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,320 delve almost. So I was like, OK, this is just 883 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,160 again, more content in the type of content that I want to do. 884 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,840 I'm not necessarily at the point where I'm feeling overwhelmed, 885 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,000 but if I ever got there, I'd just drop something like I'd 886 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,640 stop doing world quests or something. 887 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,600 The only reason I'm even really doing world quests right now is 888 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,880 because of the prey system is I'm like, well, I got to do my 889 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,240 hunts, so I got to do my world quests to draw them out, you 890 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,480 know? So, but yeah, I mean, overall, I 891 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,840 don't think it's necessarily like too fast. 892 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,560 Maybe I would feel differently if I was like raiding, but I 893 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,960 yeah, I don't know. I should check in with my old 894 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,640 raid team and see if they've got AOTC yet, if they're if they're 895 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:58,240 looking for new content or not. That's totally fine. 896 00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:00,640 At at one point through this conversation, I'm like, we 897 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,640 should do get your crit back together. 898 00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:10,400 Right. But I also really love how 899 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,920 you've explained how you're engaging with the game, how the 900 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,560 level that you're engaging with this pace that you're engaging 901 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,360 with. Like I, I don't want to talk 902 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,440 about like the trap cheese on prey or whatever min Max 903 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:27,200 strategy people have to do that sort of stuff because like from 904 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,720 my eyes, the way that you're engaging is the way that it 905 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:36,360 should be engaged with. Like I understand why people 906 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,240 will optimize things, but there is such a thing as optimizing 907 00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:43,600 the fun out of a game. That was very much how it was 908 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,480 starting to feel when I was rating is that there was no room 909 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,120 for the fun anymore. It was like, OK, you are X 910 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,360 class, you should be doing Y damage. 911 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,560 And if you're, you know, 10% above or below that ideal, it 912 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,240 was like a huge deal. So the people who were above, it 913 00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:02,640 was like, Oh my God, you're a God. 914 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,440 And then the people who are below, it's like you don't have 915 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,800 a spot on the team anymore. And I'm like, that is not my 916 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,200 vibe. That is, that's not, that's not 917 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,920 what I want to do with my life. So, you know, and, and even 918 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,480 then, like I, I, I say that, but I did have AI did have a very 919 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,440 good raid team. And, and you know, like I've 920 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,040 been through two or three different raid teams now at this 921 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,200 point and I have enjoyed my time with all of them. 922 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,920 So please don't anyone take those comments to like 923 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,120 personally, as it was directed at you or you as a raid leader 924 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,200 or anything else. But it was just how I was 925 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,960 starting to feel with the game. Is that like if you were 926 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,920 underperforming, there was this huge pressure to get better, 927 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,280 whether that was through your potions or your gear or your 928 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,040 gems or, you know, like looking at different rotations or 929 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,400 changing specs because yours wasn't, you know, the the best 930 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,200 of your class, you know that kind of stuff. 931 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,640 And I was like again, like you say, min maxing the fun out of 932 00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,960 it is like that's not the way I want to play. 933 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:04,520 Like I want to be a beastmaster hunter or like I want to be a 934 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,880 shadow priest, like, and you know, be wanting to be very, 935 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:14,720 very specific about things. And, you know, if you're telling 936 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:18,680 me I can't do that and still like play the game with you, 937 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,880 then that's going to make me feel bad. 938 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,720 And I just don't want to feel bad in my games anymore. 939 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:28,280 So, you know, and there are, you know, more casual teams that I 940 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,400 can join. Absolutely, because I know I 941 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,240 tend to join very competitive teams because I do like to be 942 00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:37,360 very, if I'm going to do something, I do want to compete 943 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,120 and be good at the thing that I'm doing. 944 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,520 But once you get down to the point where you're like 5 or 10% 945 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,000 is going to make or break your position on a team that just, I 946 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,120 don't like that anymore. So it's been really nice to not 947 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,600 have to care about that and to just find the fun again in a 948 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,760 game that I have enjoyed for many, many, many, many years at 949 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,040 this point. So I feel like that's what I'm 950 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,920 doing now is I'm I'm finding the fun again. 951 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,400 OK, so last question for those who might want to break away 952 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,360 from Wow but they're not quite ready to touch actual grass yet, 953 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,760 what's like a game that you would recommend for people to to 954 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,560 play that's not Wow? Oh, man, I mean, like that is, 955 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,760 oh, that is a big question because there's so much stuff 956 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,960 out there right now. I mean, I I don't. 957 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,840 Even know world outside. Of Warcraft there is a whole 958 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,480 world outside of Warcraft and then there's a whole world 959 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:36,560 outside of gaming so like I know double brain explosion there but 960 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,080 I mean for me I've been absolutely loving 2 point museum 961 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,000 and they have a new DLC coming out soon so I that I think is 962 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,040 the most recent game where I got all of the achievements. 963 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,760 I've also really been loving just came out Masters of Albion. 964 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,800 It's still in early access, but that one also is very, very 965 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,440 good. But again, those are very like, 966 00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,720 they are totally different than Wow. 967 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:03,520 Like, that is like if you are wild lovers, don't play either 968 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,080 one of those games because those are not Wow. 969 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,040 Yeah. And I mean, if you haven't 970 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:15,240 played clear obscure yet, come on, go do that right now before 971 00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:18,800 you log into raid. Go start that game because it is 972 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,400 brilliant. I'll, I'll do that. 973 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,640 I've got a couple of days before. 974 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,240 Oh, actually, no rage tomorrow. We'll we'll get on that. 975 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,800 No wait, no. Tomorrow, Sunday. 976 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,000 I apologize. Yeah. 977 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,480 OK, I got two days. I can I can do this. 978 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,960 Well, thank you so much. It was great like talking about 979 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,880 this and like getting that viewpoint because it even though 980 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,680 like, you know, we have three different people with three 981 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,560 different viewpoints on the World of Warcraft podcast that 982 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,000 is for Azeroth. There's a lot more out there. 983 00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:54,040 And so it really is great to have you back and giving that 984 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,880 perspective. But you do cover a lot of 985 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,880 different games where people find you and the stuff that you 986 00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,760 do. You can find me over on Blue Sky 987 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,040 if you would like. I'm at josplays.com. 988 00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,560 Or you can go and check out my general gaming podcast. 989 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,520 It's the Gamers In. I've been talking about it for 990 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,160 years and years and years, because I've been doing it for 991 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,040 15 years now. We've been doing the Gamers In. 992 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,360 So yeah, if you are a general gamer or if you're curious about 993 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,160 gaming outside of World of Warcraft, then yeah, go and 994 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,000 check out The Gamers In. Well, that's going to do it for 995 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,160 us today. Until next time, may all your 996 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,080 hits be crits.