1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,240 Here, here's my hot take. They've they've they've got to 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:09,280 make Aug augment through talent choices and not as a default. 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,320 That's a fun one. Yeah, I'll, I'll explain it more 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,560 in the effort because I'd love to hear you're like actually 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,400 informed take I'm. Actually informed as if anyone 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:26,600 knows how this thing works. Victory for the Forsaken, for 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,960 Lauderon for the Karen Tour. For. 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:37,280 Pandaria. For calendar to the burning 9 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:43,040 region for Gilnaeus, but has not died for. 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,720 The Lich King. For the Sindora, for the 11 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,680 Alliance, for the Horn, for Azeroth. 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,800 Hello and welcome back to another episode of Thor Azeroth. 13 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,200 I am one of your hosts Manny AKA the true villain. 14 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:06,280 Manny and I am joined by one of my prestigious Co hosts. 15 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,760 We have Sean, the man of the legend, the caster for Race the 16 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,400 World first. I meant did we not talking with 17 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,280 that last week? I guess we missed it. 18 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,480 How are you doing? Yeah, I'm casting the race to 19 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,040 world first for team method. Check me out mid afternoon North 20 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:30,640 America Times for the next 7 to 13 days I guess. 21 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,440 I mean, I mean, we will see how crazy it is on mythic 22 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,400 difficulty. We've had some testing, and now 23 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,840 patch 11.2 is here, Ghost of Koresh is here, and everybody 24 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,160 wants to know how things are shaking out. 25 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,520 And so we brought in the big guns. 26 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:56,040 Returning is our friend Jericho. Jericho, how are you and how has 27 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,480 the World of Warcraft been treating you? 28 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,720 And we'll talk about the specs after. 29 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,120 Yeah, not so bad. I think I'm going to have to 30 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,360 tune in and watch Sean cast the race the world first. 31 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,240 That's an exciting prospect to be sure. 32 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,280 And can't wait to hear some expert knowledge and insight 33 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,920 about how the teams are approaching the fights. 34 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:14,800 It's gonna be awesome, I think. Yeah, no, I've been not gonna be 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,800 giving my. He's gonna be giving the expert 36 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,360 knowledge and tactics. Are you the color commentator or 37 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,880 the the? Expert yeah, they I'm there as 38 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,560 an analyst so. There you go. 39 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:31,600 Yeah, putting the anal back in Analyst 111 butt joke at a time 40 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:32,600 there. You go, there we go. 41 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,960 Now I get to say that I get to fight with race. 42 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,400 The world's first commentators. See you guys, I'm always 43 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:44,720 punching above my weight limit. Jericho, Sean, this is literally 44 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,640 day two of the patch. People have been diving in. 45 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,000 Let's get some first impressions because you know, we, we've had 46 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,920 our chance. And for those who haven't been 47 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:57,840 on the PTR, they're finally experiencing it, warts and all. 48 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,680 And I got to, I got to say there's, there's some warts to 49 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,840 be seen in this fractured world of Koresh. 50 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:09,840 There have been a number of bugs, a number of quests that 51 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,520 I've had to like drop and pick back up again. 52 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,160 I have decided that if something is considered optional on the 53 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,000 quest, no, it isn't, Do it anyways. 54 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,200 I don't care if it's like sit around and listen. 55 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,720 Just just get them talking and then run off. 56 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,520 Because there's been so many times where I've had to go, 57 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,600 like, why isn't this going? And it's that optional. 58 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:38,280 You got to listen to to somebody could explain their angst and 59 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,880 then they'll let you move on. But what about you guys? 60 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,320 Let's let's give this to Jericho first. 61 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:49,320 How is the first touch of the ghost of Koresh being for you? 62 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,800 So I'm gonna go ahead and take your guys lead on maybe starting 63 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,880 by trying to avoid spoilers and we'll go from there. 64 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,280 Now I I'll be honest, I haven't gotten very far. 65 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,200 I've gotten my reishi wraps and that's about it. 66 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,560 That's about where I stopped yesterday at a very, you know, 67 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,960 high level wow. You know, putting putting aside 68 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,880 maybe some of the issues for a moment, which I haven't 69 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,840 experienced too many, but I'm in some of the class discords. 70 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,960 I see a lot of the bugs going through some of the issues, some 71 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,480 of the hilarious things that are still going on. 72 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,160 I love the void and this theme that we're doing in this patch 73 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,520 and going into midnight. And the music has been 74 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,280 fantastic. And I love Zalatat. 75 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:33,040 She's so sassy. I've just been having a blast. 76 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:40,960 I, I've never really, in my experience, Wow has, in terms of 77 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,200 writing it, it, it has the, the, the comic book dialogue effect, 78 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,200 the superhero dialogue effect where people kind of just talk 79 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,800 in quips and kind of 1 liners and that kind of thing. 80 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,600 And I think that's fine. You know, it's not really trying 81 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,400 to punch above its weight. It's doing its thing. 82 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,600 So I take it for what it is and then really enjoy the moment, 83 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,200 enjoy the characters just trying to get on each other's nerves. 84 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,400 And again, like Zelda Tap is just such a great character for 85 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,960 this patch. I've been having an absolute 86 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,920 blast going through. I'm glad. 87 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,680 I'm glad you're enjoying it. You're right, they are. 88 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,320 They're very, very much about the quips. 89 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,520 They're very about the like one liner. 90 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:18,360 The problem is when there's too many, none of them stick out on 91 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,400 this. You know, sometimes it's like 92 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,840 just let that one moment breathe. 93 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,720 But the cinematic team, the in game cinematics have been doing 94 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,520 a really good job. Even if I bristle against some 95 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,200 of the direction of the story, they still seem to execute it 96 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,320 pretty nicely. You don't have to trust her, 97 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,520 Manny. You have to trust me. 98 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,440 OK. And then I'm going to say it 99 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,880 again just for good measure. You have to trust me. 100 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:50,440 That's it. Yeah, There. 101 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:55,800 You go and John, how's your first couple days? 102 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,720 What, what have you been doing in this? 103 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,960 Like we're we're beyond 24 hour period to get to get yourself 104 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:08,640 set up and everything. So 24 hours in, actually like 28 105 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,200 hours in because the service came up super early yesterday. 106 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,480 Thank you. They were not the stabilists 107 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,680 that they've ever been, but Zorbix made a tweet early on 108 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,120 saying hey, we're aware we're working on it, and then another 109 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,160 one that said hey, don't go in the water, it's going to be CU. 110 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,960 So they're looking out for us. But they came on this early. 111 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:33,160 I have done the campaign twice, once on my death Night, sorry, 112 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,560 once on my Paladin on NA and once on my Druid on EU today. 113 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,000 And I am working through the rest of the quests and the world 114 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,280 events on my Paladin right now on NA. 115 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:44,880 And then last night I used the skip. 116 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,240 Great skip one. If you use the skip, it doesn't 117 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,160 show you on your map where you have to go to get your cloak. 118 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,640 Yeah, I just have to know where that is. 119 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,920 So look that up or talk to a guildy like I did. 120 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,080 I got a ping. Our GM is pretty good at 121 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,160 answering all questions at any hour of the day, which is exact. 122 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,360 Where you get the cloak on your main in that spot on the left. 123 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,680 Yeah, it's been 24 hours, man. You know, the goldfish you can 124 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,640 remember. I think I got it. 125 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,080 It is. Exactly that in mind. 126 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,440 For when I get my Demon Hunter through there, 'cause that 127 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,200 definitely gonna gear up that character this patch. 128 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,240 It's gonna be sick. Yeah, I believe you will. 129 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,880 Hopefully, maybe I do one time the entire patch. 130 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:33,000 But hey, you're going to do 1. And then I did the full M0 world 131 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,200 tour on my Death Knight our our Guild has or our NA Guild 132 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,760 actually both of my guilts. But our NA Guild has organized 133 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,960 plate stack or armor stacks for all the M0 dungeons. 134 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,440 So we did those six or only 6 available right now. 135 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,160 You cannot do Tazza Vech till next week. 136 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,320 And then we did two extra runs of Iguodo Maldoni to give us a 137 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:58,720 full 8 slot for the vault. And then tomorrow I'll be doing 138 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,520 the same on EU and NA. On EU it'll be on my Druid and 139 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,640 then NA on my Paladin. And we think filling out the 140 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,200 vault's probably a good idea because there might be tear in 141 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,040 there next week. That's that's what we're 142 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,840 crossing our fingers for. So between those, we're doing 143 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,680 delves. I I gotta I gotta check in on 144 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,880 that and maybe editing manual come back in. 145 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:24,640 But like on previous week zeros, hasn't the vault been like 146 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,840 downgraded to like previous tier? 147 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,320 Well, it usually, yeah, it usually doesn't give you 148 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,960 anything useful that first week. And certainly this is the first 149 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:39,440 time that we have like relevant content that's potentially gonna 150 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,440 give us stuff that we might actually want to use in the 151 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,960 season. And this week where we have the 152 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,120 possibility of getting Season 3 loot, we're inferring that there 153 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,040 might be tier in that box. No one knows for sure, but it 154 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,520 there's a good chance. So better safe than sorry I 155 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,240 think is how most people are taking it. 156 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,680 OK. Yeah, I'd rather have a full 157 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:01,920 vault and not need it than need a full vault and not have it. 158 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,200 For sure. I mean, at this point I've 159 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,840 already done the delves up to 11 because I want to be able to 160 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,800 like to start that right away. Haven't done my world tour. 161 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,920 I can't stack mail as effectively as you can stack 162 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,800 plate some tanks. Got to have to like be the odd 163 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:27,960 personality to do that, and I'm hoping to do that sometime this 164 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,600 weekend. But I've already taken 3 alts to 165 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,560 do the skip, so I definitely know where to pick up my cloak. 166 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,200 That's because I've been looking at professions I like, pushed 167 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,680 through, got renowned 5. That's when all the profession 168 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:46,200 stuff unlocks. You can do that first day. 169 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,320 And then it was just flooding the auction house. 170 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,840 We have like new stuff that people were buying for way more 171 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,480 than they're buying it now. It is ridiculous. 172 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,000 So many spent 20,000 gold on a contract. 173 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:01,600 Brutal. Yeah. 174 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,840 So I was gonna say. So there's the new threads for 175 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,320 the Reshi wraps, right? There's some new health potions 176 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,520 at A at some point, yes. Those. 177 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:12,320 Are. Yeah. 178 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:18,040 What else? You want the threads, you want 179 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,960 the which are better than what you get from the quest. 180 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,120 Do not just settle for like that that one. 181 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,000 Go go talk to a tailor. Get yourself the the upgrade 182 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,320 one. I think it goes from like 1300 183 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,160 mainstat to like closer to 1700 mainstat. 184 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,240 It's a it's a sizable jump there. 185 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:42,240 And then you're right, the potions, they're way more 186 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,400 effective with those new potions. 187 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,080 You also have a the contract. So if you are trying to get 188 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,280 your, your Rep up. And then there are a couple of 189 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:59,440 things for for for inscription as well. 190 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:09,280 I didn't see anything for blacksmithing or or stuff like 191 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:16,320 that because the way that the OR and the herbs work in this new 192 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,840 area is that you find them, they're alien and useless to 193 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,680 you, but you can trade them in for the old what? 194 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:29,240 Well, I say old world, but Kazalgar materials that you can 195 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,640 then use your stuff. So it's actually quite good 196 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,440 where you like run around and you can get exactly the right 197 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,520 type of ore that you you need based on if you got rank 3 or 198 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,760 rank 2 or rank 1 of this like alien herb, phantom weed or 199 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,600 whatever it's called. All right, well I'll have to 200 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,880 check that out. At the very least I've got got a 201 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,760 druid gatherer that's probably going to spend about 5 minutes 202 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,960 running through there on the gathering. 203 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,880 Some stuff I think they added like enchanting has these like 204 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,400 glamour things that change how you look for an hour and I think 205 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,960 they added an ethereal one if I remember right as well. 206 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,240 I'm just picking it straws. I'm trying to remember like 207 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,440 literally whatever other profession stuff they might have 208 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,320 added but I think that's about it. 209 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,160 I don't think there were too too many. 210 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,640 The stuff that they did add is important, but. 211 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,560 And plus like if you're an enchanter you don't actually 212 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:23,600 need the new stuff, just have a bunch of cloaking chants at the 213 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,440 ready on the auction house cuz everybody is buying those up. 214 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,360 That was a good mint out of that. 215 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,360 The problem is if you don't have it yet, it is a drop out of the 216 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:44,560 severed thread paragon bags, which means trying to get that 217 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:47,160 now you. I'm pretty sure you're going to 218 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,600 miss the boat unless you get incredibly lucky on your first 219 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,720 one this week. I see very good. 220 00:12:54,720 --> 00:13:00,560 So you guys, having done all of these dungeon runs, you've had a 221 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:05,960 taste for the classes. Last check in Sean, you have 222 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,560 decided to stick with the Pink Paladin. 223 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,080 Yeah, we're locked in. We'll be dancing at the Pink 224 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,200 Palate Club all season long. I'll probably keep my Warrior 225 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:21,480 and my Death Knight current ish as well, but yeah, it'll be 226 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:22,360 Paladin. This too OK. 227 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,120 OK, I've actually had a slight renaissance on I haven't changed 228 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,160 my alt. Still Shaman. 229 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,880 Still stubbornly, stubbornly Shaman, but I've had a bit of 230 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,600 renaissance on both the warrior and the warlock. 231 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:39,880 The warlock switched to affliction and I've been just 232 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,760 loving it. Affliction did get some buffs 233 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:46,600 and warlock seems pretty good right now. 234 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,200 It's I'm not going to be taking this into raid. 235 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,840 This is just something that is like curb stomping poor, poor 236 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:57,040 quest mobs because quest mobs really need a little bit more 237 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,720 teeth somewhere, guys, I don't know. 238 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,200 And then the warrior, the changes they made, I I'm 239 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,600 actually liking it. I find like this is the first 240 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:15,480 tier that I'm actually using the proc ravager and having that in 241 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,240 between like every pole just come up is so good. 242 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,080 I don't think I could go back unless they like make that proc 243 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,280 chance way lower. So I'm enjoying some of the 244 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:30,520 changes on it, but the, of course, the big one is my 245 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,280 shaman. The shaman I've switched back 246 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,280 again. I was Totamic last year 'cause 247 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,960 that's, that's the tier that they decided to actually make 248 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:46,080 Totamic good. Switched over to once again and 249 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:54,160 I'm back on Stormbringer and man, Stormbringer makes me fear 250 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,200 the the add on Apocalypse 'cause if I did not have weak ORS I 251 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,080 could not play Stormbringer. There's just too much hidden 252 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:07,960 bust to track on that and it makes me wonder where classes 253 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,680 are. And that's why we're bringing 254 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:14,680 you on today, Jericho. To get my unfiltered opinions on 255 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,360 all the classes in the game, especially the ones I've never 256 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,240 played before, Certainly. But many they're they're adding 257 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,680 a new cooldown tracker stuff and buff trackers and all this 258 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,200 stuff. Isn't, isn't that gonna be 259 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,320 enough? Surely. 260 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:27,600 Set that up in your kids. Go run. 261 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,200 It we, we had a conversation. It looks better than it was, 262 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,800 better than it is, but it but it ain't here yet, so it's not an 263 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,040 option right now. And yeah, yeah. 264 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,160 We can hope for the best, but what what's the saying? 265 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,640 Hope in one hand, crap in the other? 266 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,560 See which one gets full first an. 267 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,160 Optimistic one for a while, certainly. 268 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,680 Oh yeah, I'm I'm an absolute wow simp. 269 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,120 You can you can go check our comments. 270 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,320 Yeah, confirm he it's well, he's either a Wow simp or he doesn't 271 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,480 play the game. We're not sure. 272 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,200 The comments, The comments can't figure it out themselves. 273 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,840 We'll put up a poll, maybe. You know you're doing something 274 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,760 right when you get comments from one episode to the next that are 275 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,400 completely contradictory. It means that I'm getting a lot 276 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,680 of point of views, or at least representing a lot of point of 277 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:19,040 views. It's. 278 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,000 The broadest appeal that's. Right. 279 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,920 But odd Voker, last time we had talked, it was going through a 280 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,560 lot. It continues to go through a 281 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:35,840 lot. And now we're at the final phase 282 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:42,560 of of the War Within. And how are Evokers doing right 283 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,280 now? What what what is the feeling 284 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,280 for augmentation for Evokers in general? 285 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,120 Yeah, I think the community of large has to be somewhere 286 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,160 between ecstatic and dooming right, Somewhere in the middle 287 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,200 there. Certainly where we left off last 288 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,760 time when when I was lost on the show was before the launch of 289 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,119 Season 2. We had some PTR changes, some 290 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,319 big changes for augmentation, where we changed Ebenmite to not 291 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:11,960 affect tanks and healers anymore. 292 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,280 We cut down some of the effectiveness of their spells. 293 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,960 We figured, OK, you know, this will bring things a little more 294 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,920 in balance, bring things a little more towards damage, 295 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,119 bring things a little more towards self damage. 296 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,800 And if they end up OK in tuning, then maybe we still play this 297 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,800 thing in M Plus, maybe it's still good. 298 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,720 Maybe we play it in raid. Who knows, it might be all 299 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,040 right. And then after that episode, the 300 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,600 funniest thing happened. The funniest thing happened. 301 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,800 They decided that wasn't good enough. 302 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,360 Let's nerf Breath of Eons by a whole bunch. 303 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:47,000 Let's nerf Sans by a whole whole bunch. 304 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,440 Just completely gut the throughput of the spec at the 305 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,080 last hour and just leave it there. 306 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,960 And that crushed everyone's hopes and dreams. 307 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,200 No one touched the spec basically for the entire season. 308 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,240 Some people eventually picked it up sort of towards the end just 309 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,760 for fun, but that was about it. Really what happened after that 310 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,160 was after the race there was a little bit of an aura buff. 311 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,280 Then a couple weeks later there was another aura buff. 312 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,200 Then a couple weeks later there's another aura buff. 313 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,760 The spec aura right now is at like 43% or something like that. 314 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,360 I don't know if it's the highest, but it's certainly at 315 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:19,960 the the top end in terms of and, and what that means really is 316 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:25,440 how how often they've sort of tweaked the specs overall 317 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,160 personal damage up or down through hot fixes essentially is 318 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:34,120 what that that does. So really by the end of season 319 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:37,240 2, Ogg was in a reasonable place damage wise. 320 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,760 It was OK, Certainly not, you know, breaking any records and 321 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,920 if you were to look at Raider IO stats, certainly no one's really 322 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,400 taking this thing and trying to push with it, but it was OK. 323 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,680 We can get it to some of the other fun stuff a little bit 324 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,160 later around utility and this kind of thing, but really that's 325 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,480 where it ended up in Season 2. So now we get into the PTR for 326 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,320 Season 3 and there are essentially no changes to the 327 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,360 spec at all, period, at a baseline level. 328 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,320 But what they decided to do this season obviously is with the new 329 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,760 tier sets, they've really played into the different hero talents. 330 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,320 So really every spec in the game through its hero talents is 331 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,280 getting more or less pretty significant changes through 332 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,560 those interactions, or at the very least through what's being 333 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,680 emphasized from from those talents. 334 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,680 When it comes to augmentation, we have Chrono Warden and we 335 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,760 have scale Commander and Chrono Warden is really leaning into 336 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,800 really it's, it's sort of buffs. It's it's got a little more 337 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,800 cooldown reduction. There's a little fancy build you 338 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,840 can do where you can hit a 92nd timing instead of a 2 minute 339 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,160 timing. That's that's got some good 340 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,720 potential in raid. And we've got scale commander 341 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,120 where you lean into personal damage a little bit more and 342 00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:00,480 you've got these little buddies that you spawn when you cast 343 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,280 your breath of eons, they show up and they cast devastation 344 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,760 spells. Of course, why would they cast 345 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,280 augmentation spells? That's crazy. 346 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:09,680 They cast Pyre, they cast Disintegrate, and they just kind 347 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,360 of, you know, do do stuff, which is fun. 348 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,840 In terms of where they've kind of left those off right now, 349 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,880 Chrono Warden is really the only spec that seems like it might do 350 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,360 decent numbers in raid scale. Commander took a pretty nasty 351 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:28,560 nerf right at the end of the PTR and is not in great shape. 352 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,320 And then when we get look at M Plus, it's a little more even 353 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,960 because again, Chrono, we're talking about buffing being sort 354 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,360 of the focus and we have less DPS to work with in M Plus, so 355 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:41,720 it bounces out a little bit more. 356 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,200 You can technically run scale commander, but you're not really 357 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,200 winning any awards in terms of damage output. 358 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,000 Somewhere in the middle, this kind of thing. 359 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,480 And so not that I put a lot of stock or faith into community 360 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,760 tier lists, but if you would scour the Internet and kind of 361 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:03,240 see where opinion is right now, raid Aug potentially, OK, not 362 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,280 that it's that easy to gauge, but probably somewhere in the 363 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,920 middle. And NM plus, not really looking 364 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:15,720 great outlook wise, but at this point more because it's not 365 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,560 really one of those top specs damage wise. 366 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,960 And also it's not really bringing anything special to the 367 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:27,840 table anymore really at the end of the day, this sort of leading 368 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,800 into the hot take of the session, But Aug is not really a 369 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,560 support. It's not really a support 370 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,120 anymore. If we're gonna compare it to 371 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:41,200 kind of where it launched, it's now very much Adps spec that 372 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,760 does a little bit of its damage in a silly way and is really on 373 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,760 par with some of the other meta specs when it comes to utility. 374 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,760 It's not really bringing that much more than like a druid. 375 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,960 When we talk about the overall utility kit, the Evoker utility 376 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,440 kit is very good, but again, the Evoker utility kit, not the Ogg 377 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,760 utility kit, right? So this is kind of the outlook 378 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,640 that we've got going into Season 3 right now at the very least. 379 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:16,240 Does it infuriate you that the community pissed blood when Ugg 380 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,840 was sorry? Man, they might have to edit 381 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:18,400 that out. No, that's. 382 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,680 Fine. I'm just saying like this, this 383 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,680 is a very neutral question. How are you going to lead them 384 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:23,560 then? Very neutral. 385 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,600 Very, I think I very. Understated the reaction First 386 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,120 off I think. That you ramped up a little bit 387 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:33,160 that they it was just like, oh man, you need to make this a 388 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,200 tank spec. Actually one of my favorite 389 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,400 tweets ever was your tweet about how disc Priest was so strong 390 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,400 and they've been meta for like 6 years in a row and you're like 391 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,960 obviously we need to make it a thanks back. 392 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,080 Yeah, why not? But does it like like so Aug 393 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:51,120 gets gets its gets its identity completely stripped away from 394 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:55,560 players who love that support style, who were, who were dying 395 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,800 to have that in Warcraft and where we're so excited to get it 396 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,360 when it finally came completely stripped away Because Aug can't. 397 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:06,000 Surely we can't have Aug dominate 2 seasons in a row as 398 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,720 we now head into our third season of Demon Hunter, Druid, 399 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,880 Mage Priest, Death Knight. That's exactly how I feel these 400 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,600 days. It's OK, like it I I get it when 401 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,480 Blizzard launches a new spec halfway through an expansion, 402 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,880 it's the shiny new thing and it launched like I'm not going to 403 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,320 split errors here. It was absolutely overpowered 404 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,880 when it first came out. No question no question the the 405 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,320 shifting sands was like 3 times as strong it is as it is now. 406 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,680 Eben might's like Eben might was three times as strong as it is 407 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,960 now. You had unlimited buff stacking 408 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,480 there like Draconic attunements was giving you like 10% extra 409 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,720 health or something like that. It's been so long I don't 410 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,800 remember any of the numbers but like this. 411 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,400 This is the kit that we're talking about, right? 412 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,160 Outrageous potential and buffing your tanks and healers to 413 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,440 enormous extents. Yes, it was absolutely 414 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,800 overpowered. Yes, it dominated the M plus 415 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,040 meta for the end of season 2 for that reason. 416 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:04,120 Totally fair Season 3 still on the strong side overall, but you 417 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:07,120 could definitely start to consider running other stuff if 418 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,200 the M plus ecosystem if if the the nature of pushing those keys 419 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,120 leaned in a certain way. If you had more of a damage 420 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,720 focus, for example, perhaps you could try running something 421 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,360 else. It's just people really, really 422 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,120 valued having that extra throughput on the tank and 423 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:22,280 healer and and having that extra defensive capability. 424 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,080 But where we where we've landed now at the beginning of the war 425 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,120 within and what when I you know, I I count, you know, Oh yeah. 426 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:31,000 How long have these specs been meta? 427 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,160 How long have like how long has mage been just a really, really 428 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,800 good spec in M plus for the last like 10 expansions or whatever? 429 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,800 Surely we've had 10 expansions with M plus at this point, 430 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,920 right? It I don't even know anymore 431 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:46,280 getting old. It it it just to me, it's like, 432 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,640 OK, I'll flew, flew too close to the sun. 433 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,880 They didn't like the reception that that they were getting. 434 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,520 They didn't like the feedback, so and Morgan Day had an 435 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,160 interview sort of a couple months back where he basically 436 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,400 explained what happened, where it was, you know, yeah, we saw 437 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,320 that it was kind of pretty dominant in the meta. 438 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,080 So we absolutely took a hammer to it and we hit it a little too 439 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,040 hard. Yes, absolutely is is what 440 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,080 happened. But really the, the biggest 441 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,600 disappointing thing to me, and this is what comes through in a 442 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,000 lot of my feedback and this kind of thing, is that I and and many 443 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,760 others really align with that support play style, that buffing 444 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,080 allies, that feeling like your ally's success is being propped 445 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,160 up from your actions and what you're doing and this kind of 446 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,840 thing. And they've kept, you know, just 447 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,640 a tinge of that flavor a tiny bit, you know, whatever. 448 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,480 But but like cutting it down and eroding it and, and sort of 449 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,880 leaving, you know, the meta, so to speak, intact in a lot of 450 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,200 other ways is it's, it's disappointing, right? 451 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,680 And to me, the like there, there are certainly approaches you 452 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,320 could take that don't go that hard on necessarily the 453 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,680 throughput of the spec, but perhaps you know how the spec 454 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,360 buffs other specs. I, I've given a lot of feedback 455 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,440 on raid, for example, where I think the skill gap is still 456 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,200 tremendous when we're talking basically the highest end 457 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,840 potential of someone playing augmentation in raid versus the 458 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,360 average Joe who kind of just, you know, wants an enjoyable 459 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,640 casual support experience where they get to enjoy, you know, 460 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,080 again, the feel of powering up their, their allies, but without 461 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,960 the insane requirements of, OK, I need to make sure that I know 462 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,880 who I'm gonna buff. I need to make sure that my 463 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,720 allies are standing in a very specific place around me so that 464 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,920 I buff the right people. I need to make sure that I keep 465 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,880 my, you know, keep my buffs going when I want them to, but 466 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,280 then let them drop off when I don't want them to continue. 467 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,040 That, you know, I react to when my spec randomly decides to 468 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,080 double its duration on something like the the the list for what 469 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,920 it takes to play this thing at the very, very highest level 470 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,760 just goes on and on and for them to have kind of left it in this 471 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,200 state, the game's first support oriented damage spec like this. 472 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,040 I, I don't it, it, it, it just, it's a disconnect for me. 473 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,080 I I would think that they would want this thing to be 474 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,200 approachable, to be something that attracts kind of maybe more 475 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,120 casual players or players that want to put in a little bit of 476 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:16,240 less preparation going into raid, but still achieve kind of 477 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,280 a middle of the road performance. 478 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,160 Right now, what you're looking at is having to do more 479 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,040 preparation to get a lower than middle of the road performance 480 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,240 in a class that also has devastation of ochre, which 481 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,320 traditionally has been one of the most straightforward and 482 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,360 strong performing damage packs in the raid. 483 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,520 It's it's a tricky spot. Yeah. 484 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:47,800 Honestly, I got to ask you, do you think that there is a way 485 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,800 for Blizzard to balance it where it's not hitting those extremes 486 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,680 where it is competing but doesn't immediately dominate 487 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,720 where it's utility is there with like as you say, some of this 488 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,920 competitive with a lot of these meta specs, But what it gives as 489 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,320 well doesn't completely over shadow everything else because 490 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,440 for the points where it's dominant, it's because it's 491 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,040 giving that damage and the Canisoto on top. 492 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,800 So why not now it doesn't give that. 493 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,440 It doesn't give that damage. The buffs being taken away its 494 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,760 own personal damage that they've been propping up doesn't quite 495 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,000 make up for that. And it's it's falling short. 496 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,520 So like, where do you feel the sweet spot is? 497 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,120 If there ever was 1. So when it comes to mythic plus, 498 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:41,880 let's say just to start, it's hard for me to complain too too 499 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,160 much outside of just it doesn't really feel super supporty 500 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,600 anymore. And that's a very qualitative 501 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,240 take. It's a very opinionated take, 502 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,520 but the feeling has been diminished on that for me to 503 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,200 look at augmentation and go this is really just another middle of 504 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,760 the road DPS spec damage wise that has slightly above average 505 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,160 utility and kind of hold that up against the other DPS specs in M 506 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,880 Plus. I think at this point, aside 507 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,520 from again just that feeling around support that we're in 508 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,400 kind of a similar boat to a lot of damage specs when it comes to 509 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,600 M Plus and the meta. Realistically, again, there's 510 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,680 only like 5 or 6 specs ever that are happy let's say in. 511 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,920 In terms of like what people consider to be meta that they're 512 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,000 excited to bring to their group that they consider to be the 513 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,120 optimal composition. And there are a whole bunch of 514 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,240 reasons for this, whether it's, you know, you want to be able to 515 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,080 copy what the top teams are doing or you know, you just you 516 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,160 really want a safe bet that you know is going to get you into 517 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,600 groups. People tend to coalesce to these 518 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,040 just very top of the lion specs for M plus and that's. 519 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,160 In Rep Palliative. Right. 520 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,360 It's really just that like it's it's that same flavor frog at 521 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,040 this point, because again, it's not really doing anything 522 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:57,040 special compared to like a boomkin or a mage or a priest. 523 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,720 You know, hey, we have Warren Stone. 524 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,400 You can use that sometimes. That's kind of neat. 525 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,480 We have timelessness. You know, if one of your specs 526 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,680 for some reason is generating too much threat, you have an 527 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,720 option. That's about it. 528 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,560 Everything else is kind of in the, you know, in the class 3, 529 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,680 even when we talk about like survivability and the fact that 530 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,520 it has a cheat death, OK, great. You know, that like technically 531 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,720 that that is a plus certainly. But Devastation even has more 532 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,000 baseline health. It has more baseline magic 533 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,680 resistance in the class tree cause 'cause they decided they 534 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,640 needed to do that to kind of keep things a little bit even. 535 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,920 So really like the augmentation, survivability isn't even like 536 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,120 that much more when when it comes to that versus 537 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,680 devastation. So I I don't like where we've 538 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,720 ended up in M + 4 Ogg, but I think we're in a similar boat to 539 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,600 a lot of specs and I think that's just a broader M plus 540 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,080 issue at this point given the current kind of design of the 541 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,800 spec when it comes to raid. Again, like the the most 542 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,080 disappointing thing to me is just that I want to play 543 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:59,200 augmentation in raid, but I have to consider what specs are my 544 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,000 fellow Raiders playing? How well are they playing them? 545 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,040 How much do I want to bother them with coordinating their 546 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,880 cooldown timings, making sure that they're pushing their 547 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,880 buttons at the exact same time every pull, making sure that I'm 548 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,800 standing like next to the people that I want to buff and that 549 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,440 they know that I'm trying to do that so that they don't go run 550 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,560 off and and do something else? How much do I want to look at my 551 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,280 entire raid and put up a spreadsheet and go, OK, well, 552 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,240 who's doing damage when? Who are my who are my 92nd 553 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,680 specs? Who are my 2 minute specs? 554 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,000 Who's doing damage in each window? 555 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,880 And even if you try and keep it simple and just go like try and 556 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,120 buff the same people for the entire fight, you still have to 557 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,280 consider like like literally talk to them and coordinate and 558 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,960 and make sure that they know that you're trying to be buffed 559 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,640 so that you're standing in a similar spot. 560 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,360 You're still at 25 yard range, right? 561 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,000 So like there's just all of this coordination, whereas I can just 562 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,560 play devastation on just a normal 2 minute spec. 563 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,520 Oh, hey, you know, we might have some quirky rotation with engulf 564 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,720 this tier with essence bomb. OK, I'll figure it out. 565 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,400 That's fine. It it's looking solid and I'm 566 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,560 not gonna have to do too much more than just practice on a 567 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,160 dummy for two minutes and I'll be good. 568 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,840 Right. So that imbalance and and where 569 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,760 the tuning lies is augmentation since since released basically 570 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,640 after season 3 of of Dragonflight, they kind of 571 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,680 realized, OK, if we don't tune this thing down, it's going to 572 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,600 be in every race to the world 1st and they're gonna have four 573 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,960 of them and it's gonna be ridiculous, right. 574 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,800 And and they didn't want the optics of that is my guess 575 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,000 because you know not not that that would have been a problem 576 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,680 for the average player as far as I'm concerned, but they don't 577 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,320 necessarily want to see that. They don't want people to go oh, 578 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,320 you know, where's my spec augmentation's in there four 579 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,600 times. That's crazy, right in your 580 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,360 raid, you don't have to run for augmentation. 581 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,360 It's going to be different, right. 582 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,240 It's going to be like a different situation, but when it 583 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,040 comes to that optimal comp and they they absolutely do tuning 584 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,640 for the rest of the world first. There's no question. 585 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,480 That's why you you end up in a spot. 586 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,760 They cut it off and then right after the race, there's a whole 587 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,720 bunch of extra tuning right. So given that, really if, if if 588 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,840 I were king for a day, I would really, and and this is crazy 589 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,560 because you don't hear this a lot, try and narrow the skill 590 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,560 gap a lot. Try bring down the skill ceiling 591 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,360 of this spec. It's too hard. 592 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,960 I know it's crazy. No one, no one says that 593 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,560 everyone's like, you know, like frost decays for like right now 594 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,600 since the Sindragosa change, like a lot of them. 595 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,400 I don't know about a lot. I'm not gonna put words in 596 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,080 people's mouths. Some of them are complaining, 597 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,760 you know? Hey, I I really like the skill 598 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,600 expression of being able to extend that thing for as long as 599 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,560 possible, right? I remember thinking about like 600 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,760 void form on Shadow Priest right in the previous version where 601 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,600 especially in Surrender to Madness version. 602 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,720 But you know, even even after that where yeah, absolutely 603 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,560 there was skill expression and being able to extend that thing 604 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,280 as long as possible to minimize your downtime outside of your 605 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,160 void form window. And really, you know, like press 606 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,160 on and press on and yes, it sucked during downtime. 607 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,800 I I was always complaining, you know, Oh hey, there's an Los 608 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,160 mechanic. I hate this fight or posting a 609 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,440 feedback threads about we need something to be able to carry 610 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,960 void form from pack to pack or something. 611 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,560 The hilarious thing is they added that right. 612 00:33:54,560 --> 00:34:00,880 But anyway, I did you know, it's it's just the top end for 613 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,720 augmentation in raid makes it extremely hard to balance for 614 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,440 the average player. And the the thing that really 615 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,320 has a lot of people the most upset, I think is that it's like 616 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:16,159 scale commander in theory is the more casual of the two. 617 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,800 Let's say it focuses more on direct damage. 618 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,719 It currently the the the build that you would run is a pretty 619 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,360 standard 2 minute breath of Eon cycle. 620 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,679 Visually, it's very cool, right? You saw on your guys and they, 621 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,480 you know, they shoot the boss and this kind of thing that's 622 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,280 very fun. It's it's just a very 623 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,800 traditional straightforward DPS play style with like losing a 624 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,960 lot of the bells and whistles of Chrono Warden, which has all 625 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,679 this cool down reduction, this active channeling of reducing 626 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,639 all your cooldowns by 30 seconds that you'd be playing, playing 627 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:52,199 90 seconds instead of two minutes does a lot to to affect 628 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,560 timings. I think a lot of people would 629 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,679 rather just have a pretty standard 2 minute cycle. 630 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,560 So with without getting into too, too much more than that, I 631 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,760 that's really where what I'd like to see out of this spec 632 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,320 changing going forward is bringing down the top end 633 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,280 potential of this thing in raid. Whether it's you're you're 634 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,600 buffing fewer people, maybe whether it's, you know, maybe 635 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,840 you're stuck to certain people for, you know, for specific 636 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,760 durations, you know, you don't have the ability to swap them 637 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,440 around as much. It's not taking out more of the 638 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,000 support damage. I think we've gotten to a 639 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,400 reasonable point there. I think Chrono right now is 640 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,720 probably around 5050 scale commanders tilting more to 641 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,640 personal. So they've kind of already 642 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,120 shifted pretty heavily in that direction. 643 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,560 I don't think it needs much more there. 644 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,880 But when we talk about like shifting sands and shifting 645 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,960 sands as a buff this late in the expansion, this is an ability 646 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,520 where when you cast from power spells, you, you give one of 647 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,320 your buff targets a whole whole boatload of versatility. 648 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,880 This is something that later in the expansion, as you're 649 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,920 stacking more mastery and giving people more versatility, that 650 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,480 that actually just grows in power. 651 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,720 And it's much more powerful at the end of an expansion than it 652 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:05,640 is at the beginning. And so every it has this effect 653 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,600 where augmentation at the beginning of an expansion has 654 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,560 certain buffs that are better at that point. 655 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,000 And then later on, certain things are, are better or worse, 656 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,160 you know, based on just scaling and and that sort of thing. 657 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,840 It ultimately it it, it really just comes down to I think the 658 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,640 philosophy around raid gameplay and how this thing plays and, 659 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,320 and just trying to rein in that top end to some extent. 660 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:38,040 OK, I, I think that your, your comment about maybe you're 661 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,680 buffing less people at the same time really resonate with me 662 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,560 because that is something that like I had thought of was that 663 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:51,200 maybe what really causes causes an issue Is that like an M plus 664 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,680 you're buffing everybody and now they've stripped it down. 665 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,600 So you're buffing like the DPS, right. 666 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,800 And you're not touching the the tank of the healer, which was 667 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,560 something we had talked about last time you're on. 668 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,640 Yeah, perhaps it becomes where it's like you are buffing being 669 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,880 one person, they get like a sort of forbearance like effect so 670 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,400 that you're not buffing the same person. 671 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,080 You have to like actually look at different people. 672 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,480 But based on what you're saying about this sort of communication 673 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,440 about tracking the the cooldowns, that just seems like 674 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,920 you're just doubling down on that sort of nightmare. 675 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,440 So from what you're saying, are you, are you starting to imply 676 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,320 that perhaps augmentation needs to like go back into the design 677 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,080 room and come out with something different, Go, go back into the 678 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,400 oven as it were? I, well, I, I think so, and I've 679 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,440 really been, I've been trying to push that a little bit. 680 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,640 I, you know, they, I write for Wowhead and they, they get us to 681 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,360 write these, these, these articles every like to a season 682 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,800 or something like that. So we got like kind of a mid 683 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,320 season review that we get to share our thoughts and all this 684 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,000 stuff. And pretty much every one of 685 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,400 those. I'm going OK, raid gameplay 686 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,560 needs a complete overhaul. This is not sustainable. 687 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,760 You're alienating the people who enjoy this spec. 688 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,280 This is kind of wild there. There are so many aspects to it. 689 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,800 There's the community perception where no one knows if Ogg is 690 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,280 good or not in in a given tier, whether it's because details 691 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,120 doesn't work, Warcraft logs doesn't work. 692 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,360 Everything's a mess in that respect. 693 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,480 No one has a clue if this thing's doing damage or not in 694 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,280 your raid. But also, again, just the if, if 695 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,920 you see an augmentation player in the race of world first, they 696 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,520 are doing things that you cannot even possibly imagine when it 697 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,600 comes to like actually executing on on their plan. 698 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,280 We're talking if you you might. And, and this is some of the 699 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,000 the, the extreme cooking that I hope we don't see, but we might. 700 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,080 Let's say it turns out that buffing frost at night is 701 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:46,280 actually really, really good. OK, I might run 2 Augmentation 702 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,720 of ochres because we can stack our buffs up twice. 703 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,920 And I might run 4 frost at nights because guess what? 704 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,280 Turns out that you know you you can buff four people in raid, 705 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,680 right? So how do I ensure that I'm 706 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:00,560 buffing the same four people as my other Ogg? 707 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,280 Well, what we can do is we can set up our prescience on a 708 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,600 couple people, have the other people stand near us, do the 709 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,440 opposite on the other augmentation and then make sure 710 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,240 that when we sort of cycle our cooldowns really quick that we 711 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:17,280 put our prescience on like guys, 3:00 and 4:00 so that both of us 712 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,800 are have prescience on the same for frost Death Knights. 713 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,680 If somehow you didn't hit the the right frost death Knights, 714 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,000 you can actually have the other people cancel aura their their 715 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,800 buffs and basically put them back on with Evan Mite by 716 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,400 casting that. And then now you have two odds 717 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,040 that are buffing 4 frost frost at nights. 718 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,880 And if you play your rotation well, you can just keep that 719 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,040 Eben mic going the entire fight and just keep buffing those same 720 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,120 people for the entire thing. And you're gonna line up with 721 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,400 all your cool bounds. You're gonna line up with 722 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,400 shifting sands. You're gonna you're you're just 723 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:56,600 gonna be going crazy. This in in a SIM setting does 724 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,240 about a million more DPS on each one of those you know or on. 725 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,320 On on both of those Ogs than the next best DPS in the raid. 726 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,160 So you're you're basically getting like 2 million DPS for 727 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,800 free by by doing that. Not for free. 728 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,320 It's insane. But anyway. 729 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,520 That's crazy, we should nerf fury war. 730 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,800 But but it's just like it's, it's, it's the the fact that I 731 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,920 like what I'm describing is in theory possible. 732 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,400 In practice, it's a huge headache. 733 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,160 Then then there's other stuff you can do where you can go, OK, 734 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,160 I'm gonna cast. I'm gonna ignore Ebenmite to 735 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,520 start. I'm gonna start with Breath of 736 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,520 Eons. That's going to like that also 737 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,480 casts Ebenmite. If it's not already up. 738 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,360 Then I I wait to see if that crits and it can it can crit to 739 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,880 give an extra 50% effectiveness. I wait to see if it crits. 740 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,080 If it crits, great. I let that ride until it's about 741 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,240 to expire. If it doesn't crit, then I push 742 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:50,840 Ebenmite to try and roll a crit. If that doesn't crit, then I hit 743 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,360 time skip and that that will reset the cooldown on Evan 744 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,040 right? And then I try again, see if 745 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,480 that one crits and suddenly, and and this is again, while making 746 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,200 sure that I'm juggling all these presents on these players, 747 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,040 standing near them, making sure they cancel where their stuff, 748 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,880 right? What we're describing is insane 749 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,480 behavior, frankly, like it. And and again, like some of this 750 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,040 would be fine if it's just like, it's just you doing your one 751 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,480 thing, like you're just playing like I'm fired up and doing cool 752 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,080 stuff. Like fine, I get it, right. 753 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,760 But it's it's the coordination. It's the fact that you have to 754 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,800 do this in concert with all these other people. 755 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,720 They have to be performing well. They need to be doing the right 756 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,800 timings. They like potentially need cats 757 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,560 or other buffs and weird stuff like that. 758 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,360 That that's where it kind of gets over the top and where what 759 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,800 the race, the world first people are doing becomes essentially 760 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:34,960 unsustainable for the average person. 761 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,840 So really that that's what I've been kind of harping home about 762 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,800 on, on a lot of this stuff at the end of the day. 763 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,120 Sounds like we really need a single button rotation for this. 764 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,240 Well, that's the thing. I mean, The funny thing is 765 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:47,520 right. Obviously the the single button 766 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,440 rotation works well for augmentation. 767 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,160 In terms of the core rotation, the core part is totally fine. 768 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,280 It's totally straightforward. It's it's very easy to 769 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,520 understand in terms of just put up prescience, then cast Eben 770 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,320 might then do your rotation and and you're good. 771 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,480 Maybe manually cast breath of eons. 772 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,040 That's your cool down. Awesome. 773 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,040 It it actually works pretty well in that sense and right because 774 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,680 breath of the single button rotation affects the global cool 775 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,600 down and nerfs your damage. Technically it doesn't nerf your 776 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,800 allies damage, so you actually are a little more effective, 777 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,560 although sequel, if your buddies aren't using the single button 778 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,720 rotation, but you are, you technically don't lose as much 779 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,600 because you're you're you're buffing people who are 780 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,040 performing their normal rotation right. 781 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,600 It's arguably one of the better specs for that. 782 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,000 It's just again, we're at odds with this. 783 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,880 In theory is a spec that should be very accessible and very 784 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,080 reasonable for a casual player or someone new to the game 785 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,120 completely at odds with Hey, if you want to perform well with 786 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,080 this thing and raid, good luck. And that's, that's really just 787 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:50,280 again, where I struggle light, I see a disconnect in my mind 788 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,160 there. I, I, I, I think they need to 789 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,840 pick a lane. I don't think there's a world 790 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,480 where everyone's happy with this. 791 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,880 Like, you know, it, it like below average for the average 792 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,040 player and then like absolute peak performance for the best 793 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,200 players in the game. It to me, that's just too much. 794 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,480 Yeah, I think your answer is right. 795 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,600 You lower the lower the ceiling on the DPS that you're able to 796 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,080 do so that it doesn't matter. You hit that cap where it's like 797 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,480 it doesn't matter how much more skilled you are, this is where 798 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,640 you're stopping. And then you can even raise the 799 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,280 floor a bit so that lesser skilled players can do a little 800 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,240 bit more and it's not as punishing on them if they don't 801 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,760 cancel or a macro their prescience on their front stuff. 802 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,120 Yeah, I'm not. Again, I'm not going to pretend 803 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,120 that that's like normal behavior kind of thing. 804 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,840 But again, absolutely, like in the the last time augmentation 805 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,600 was in the race the world first, they they had the analysts on 806 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,760 the side were preparing these, you know, these charts that tell 807 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,720 you who to buff when, And then also they were giving 808 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,920 instructions to other players to go, Hey, if you get buffed at 809 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,520 this time, make sure to cancel aura at this time so that it 810 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,400 goes on the people that we wanted to later like, which is 811 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,760 again, it's it's crazy and and all that, like everyone's 812 00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,960 playing around these guys, right. 813 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:02,760 So again, like you, you have one or two OG in the raid but twenty 814 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,080 players are playing around the specs damage which is nuts. 815 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:11,760 Didn't they also write? Yeah, absolutely. 816 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,560 So, and, and where most, most DPS specs, you know, maybe, 817 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,760 maybe you put some notes for yourself in, in your note and 818 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:17,880 you have them flash up on screen. 819 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,800 The analysts every pull would push push a new note to these 820 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,480 players to tell them who to buff based on their latest analysis. 821 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,600 It's buff this person at this time, then this person at this 822 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,400 time, this person at this time. And now it's, it's even a little 823 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,960 more complicated than that because if you're playing 824 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,080 Chronoword and there's there's randomness in, in pressing's 825 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,480 duration. So I, I don't like, I'm, I'm not 826 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,520 gonna pretend that I know the best way to communicate that 827 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,600 information and to, to optimize that in a race setting, but 828 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,880 they'll figure it out and it'll be just as I'm here. 829 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,880 And just, I don't know, maybe they're, they're tracking it 830 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,240 live and trying to like, you know, load data in real time to 831 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:51,760 try and, and, and work around it. 832 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,080 Who knows, right? Realistically. 833 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,160 Realistically. Yeah, sorry. 834 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,000 If you like to hire Jericho to have him figure it out for your 835 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,880 team, you can reach him at Jericho at Please Hire Me 836 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,000 augmentationanalyst.com. Yeah, I'm, I don't know, I have 837 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,520 a day job and I'm not the right person for this. 838 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,120 But look, Saelder has been doing some insane work since the spec 839 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,720 released in terms of getting SIMC up and running and in a 840 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,640 reasonable state to do analysis with the spec. 841 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,120 You, you won't understand how many hours this man puts into 842 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,240 this thing to be able to try and model this spec. 843 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:28,880 The simulation craft now has dummy profiles which do a 844 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,680 simplified version of different specs rotations so that we can 845 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,400 run time efficient Sims for augmentation. 846 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,240 You'll have a a profile in there that's pretending to be a shadow 847 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:40,800 priest. It does a similar damage curve 848 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,320 to a shadow priest, but it's not running all of the all of the 849 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,760 damage commands. It's just running sort of a 850 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,720 simplified version so that you can go into ray bots and go 851 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:50,880 what, what, what's my best gear that I can equip? 852 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,240 And that it gives you a reasonable answer that that 853 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:55,080 wasn't possible for like a long time. 854 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,800 You have to go in and build it. And that that frankly is one of 855 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,040 the most tremendous contributions to to the three 856 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,440 crafting for the spec. So whether it's that, whether 857 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,440 it's going in and trying to optimize the APLS there, there's 858 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,360 been some really great work there. 859 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,200 So again, big shout out to Sailor on that stuff. 860 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:12,520 And yeah, he he's a bit of a a wild card because he's also the 861 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,120 one that's going to, you know, go in, go in the back and cook 862 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,440 up this like crazy Strat with the Frosty KS where we're like, 863 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,040 yeah, we're just going to buff them for the whole fight. 864 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,400 And yeah, absolutely you're going to run this like 6-6 lock 865 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,640 comp with all of your other raid buffs and you're good to go. 866 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,560 It's like, what are you talking about? 867 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,160 Like sometimes he's the hero we need, and sometimes he's the 868 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:34,040 hero we deserve. But just imagine anybody who's 869 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,600 in the sound of my voice. Just imagine that you have the 870 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,160 six stack there that are that's running perfectly efficiently 871 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:47,360 right in your team and now you you have to avoid all the bad, 872 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,600 all the crap that the boss is putting out, but you have to 873 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,720 avoid getting in between that six stack because that will also 874 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,360 screw it up and then you're costing your team DPS. 875 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,440 So now there's a big void zone around these six people as well 876 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,800 as all the raid mechanics. That is insanity. 877 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,520 That is not something I would ever want to attempt to do. 878 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,400 This was not a thing in season 2, but in season 1, Ogg and Dev 879 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,440 were actually pretty close in, in certain encounters and 880 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,120 largely when it came to the the race of world 1st and some of 881 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,640 these, some of these fights, they basically said, you know 882 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,720 what, it's close. We don't want to deal with Ogg. 883 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,880 We're going to go with Dev literally just because it's such 884 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,160 a headache to put this stuff together and and to plan around 885 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,440 and to figure it out. These guilds can, they just 886 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,840 decided, yeah, we'd rather devote our energy elsewhere if 887 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,960 it's like this close and we don't need the damage, right 888 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,760 anyway. No, I think that that is what 889 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,760 you're you've been saying for this episode. 890 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,800 It is what does the odd demand of you. 891 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,080 And if you can do it without having to jump through all of 892 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,440 those hoops, then odd doesn't seem worth it. 893 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,520 If you can, it's the same argument, Sean, that you have 894 00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,680 been putting forward for anybody who's been considering the 895 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,120 single button rotation, Like if you can do it and free up the 896 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,280 mindspace to do something else, why are you not freeing up the 897 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,640 mindspace? And to me, that means that like 898 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:16,400 in order to be viable, not just for these Race to World first 899 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,800 teams, but the friends and family at home, log has to over 900 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,680 perform. Or it has to be, as you've been 901 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:29,640 saying, a whole lot simpler, a whole lot more accessible in 902 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,280 order to be viable. Because I don't want to be 903 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:38,120 spinning 4 plates and then still trying to do my rotation in 904 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,480 order to get out, get like 80% of what I could be doing on 905 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,200 devastation or, or something else. 906 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,160 But that kind of brings me to the other question that I wanted 907 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:55,440 to ask you. Is Ogg being the buff class, 908 00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,920 being the support role? It's been around for now. 909 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,320 This is our second expansion with it. 910 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:10,520 Do you feel like supports generally have a space in World 911 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,040 of Warcraft currently? Like before we were talking 912 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,640 about it and we're like, yeah, man. 913 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:20,400 Like I was hoping that Paladin and Priest would get their own 914 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,600 support specs and so they would be like able to vie for the 915 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,360 spec. But since that time, and I'm 916 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,080 going to, I'm going to lead with my own opinion. 917 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:40,040 I don't think you can fit in a support spec unless 90 or 70% of 918 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,840 the classes can field a support spec. 919 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,480 Otherwise you're locking in like let's say it's just priests and 920 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,120 and evokers. Like you're kind of locking in 921 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,000 those two 2 specs for them to not have that like complication 922 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,800 issue. Where do you, where do you think 923 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,000 like the proper balance is? Or do you do you think there 924 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,000 isn't it? Sorry. 925 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,640 Yeah, no worries. So I have a nuclear hot take on 926 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,480 this one which is just very fun. Certainly thought about this 927 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,080 tons. First off, obviously 928 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,000 augmentation being the only spec like this in the game. 929 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,240 Especially again when we talk about when it first launched and 930 00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:21,800 most of its damage was puffs. It doesn't help when it's the 931 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,960 only spec that behaves this way that anyone that wants this play 932 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,200 style or feels like they need that utility in their group have 933 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:33,400 one option to play with. And Evoker has been a bit of a 934 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,680 black sheep since it launched for a couple reasons. 935 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,320 Some players love it and and really identify with it and 936 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,840 enjoy it. I'm absolutely one of them. 937 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,520 But it gets a lot of criticism and and feedback for different 938 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,080 reasons, whether it's the range requirement, whether it's the 939 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,520 fact that Mog is still a little bit awkward when it comes to, 940 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,720 you know, not being able to stay in visage form. 941 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:59,240 Even the restrictions on visage form are a little silly that you 942 00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:02,440 only have, you know, like one or two race options there, right? 943 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,440 The fact that you have to stay in dragon form while you're 944 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,520 casting is something that people aren't super thrilled with. 945 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,320 So there's already a little bit of a barrier to entry to playing 946 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,680 Evoker that some people don't really enjoy. 947 00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:16,000 And then from there there's there's these other quirks about 948 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,480 the spec. There's again, the limited 949 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,240 range, the, you know, your your dragon, this kind of stuff. 950 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,960 So to me that, that situation where we had literally just one 951 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,520 spec that behaves this way and it's not everyone's cup of tea, 952 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,240 I think is, is really what set a lot of people on fire when they 953 00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,720 felt like, Oh, I have to play the spec or I have to find 954 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:37,360 someone who plays the spec to, to feel the group. 955 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,120 So First off, not even like I'm 100% with you. 956 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,960 I I think they're, they're for sure probably needs to be other 957 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,400 support specs in a world that we support support specs in the 958 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,080 game. Just having the one doesn't 959 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,840 really work to me. My nuclear hot take on how 960 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,600 supports might work in World of Warcraft is to take a page out 961 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,000 of other games that kind of build that that have support 962 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,560 options and this kind of thing. And then when they look at World 963 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,120 of Warcraft and how things have sort of evolved and I, my, my 964 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:15,960 perspective is existing DPS specs, frankly, almost every 965 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,000 spec in the game, but even just DPS specs have too much 966 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,880 individual utility, too many personal cooldowns for 967 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,760 defensives and are boxing out potential support specs because 968 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,720 they already bring all the support options. 969 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:31,920 They already bring all the utility. 970 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,080 Cut that shit in half, Get rid of all like almost all the 971 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,120 personal defensives. Maybe leave one, get rid of like 972 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,680 all these like random utility things that every spec can do. 973 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,600 And then have a couple support specs that maybe, oh, maybe they 974 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,080 do like 10% less damage on average. 975 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,920 But they're they're they're the utility captain. 976 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,320 They're the ones that are calling the shots around CC ING 977 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,200 the mobs. They're the ones that are, you 978 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,400 know, oh, maybe you have an extra external you can put on 979 00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,440 the tank compared to the healer. Maybe you are the healer. 980 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,280 Maybe you know, like, right, you have like a healing kit and 981 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,680 you're doing some of this control stuff as well. 982 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,160 Like there, there's a lot of potential there to bring 983 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,480 throughput in the form of utility at at the expense of 984 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,000 damage, but only when other damage dealers are not also 985 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,400 competing on the utility front. That's, that's how I look at it. 986 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,600 And this would take a huge rework and it would be 987 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,880 controversial and it would be a, a whole big thing. 988 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,320 But again, king for a day. That's that's how I would 989 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,080 approach this. And you're not making everyone 990 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,200 happy by getting rid of all their, their innate utility that 991 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,960 they built up through the years. But I, I really do think that 992 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,160 would make for a very interesting field where you can 993 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,120 kind of go, OK, you know, maybe we don't need that utility. 994 00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,840 We'll just run three like straight damage dealers and 995 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,440 we'll have to deal with the fact that we don't have as much 996 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,720 control. Maybe we will do less damage and 997 00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:50,240 feel like we need that control. Like high, high keys. 998 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,160 Almost certainly right now you need as much control as you 999 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,640 could possibly get because it you, you build around that. 1000 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,840 You build around the fact that, you know, like realistically, M 1001 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,160 plus is about like literally how much stuff can I pull in once 1002 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,160 and, and deal with before we get overwhelmed. 1003 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,280 And generally speaking, control abilities are more important 1004 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,160 than throughput when it comes to achieving that goal. 1005 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,560 But there are ways to design around that too, if you really 1006 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,520 want, right from a, from a Blizzard standpoint. 1007 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,940 So to me, that's, that's how I would make support quote, UN 1008 00:54:19,940 --> 00:54:24,840 quote, work in, in World of Warcraft without that, you 1009 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,520 really run into these, these situations where like, you know, 1010 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,120 people feel like, oh, that, that spec's bringing too much and, 1011 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,240 and they're, you know, doing a ton. 1012 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,360 And, and I, I just, I, I get a little bit disappointed again 1013 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,200 these days where I, I look at other specs, I look at like, you 1014 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,680 know, I look at balance and they, they have ways to root and 1015 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,320 control mobs. They have solar beams. 1016 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,280 They bring 3% versatility for everybody for the whole fight. 1017 00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:48,600 Can only give versatility to DPS sometimes, right? 1018 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,560 Like what, what's the deal with that? 1019 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:54,520 It's it's just like, again, right right now, it's just kind 1020 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,160 of doing DPS things. And outside of just doing DPS in 1021 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:03,120 different ways, the the only real way to differentiate is to 1022 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,240 give it some unique tools. And Blizzard have shown that 1023 00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:11,120 they can be creative around supportabilities and utility 1024 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,600 and, and things that aren't just rebuffs when you know, like 1025 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,080 again, whether it's rooting enemies, knocking them, pushing 1026 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,600 them away, gripping them back together, silencing them for a 1027 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,400 duration, all this stuff, tons of different abilities, but 1028 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,440 they're all spread out on these existing damage classes. 1029 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,600 Just put that utility on the supports have a few different 1030 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,520 options so people don't feel like they're they're stuck on 1031 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,320 one and go to town. That, that's my game. 1032 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,080 I've been Bogart in the mic so much. 1033 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,840 Sean, what's fast to see you? What would you like to know? 1034 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,880 Yeah, give us more support specs like new Demon Hunter support 1035 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,480 spec, new void Demon Hunter support spec. 1036 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,080 Let's I want to talk about that. Jerry, That's my question to 1037 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,480 you. Obviously you're you're a 1038 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,960 support spec supporter, man, It's an awkward thing to say. 1039 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:02,800 An ally, an enthusiast ally. He's an ally of the support 1040 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,560 spec. There we go, when Blizzard 1041 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:10,560 unveils the third Demon Hunter spec at Games Com on August 19th 1042 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,400 and it comes out that it is a support style spec where it 1043 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,600 instead of buffing your allies, debuffs the enemies through the 1044 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,240 use of sigils. How will you feel as a as an 1045 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:26,840 augmentation lover and will you be writing the guide for Entropy 1046 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,600 DHS? I'll be honest, I I will be 1047 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:29,960 considering that one if that happens. 1048 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,840 So I'll probably put in an application, but I'll probably 1049 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,480 have to choose. It's probably one or the other. 1050 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:34,920 I don't think I have time for 2, so we'll see. 1051 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,320 That Volk do too. I think I think like Preheat 1052 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,400 does a couple. I mean I mean that guy is doing 1053 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,360 this shit all day, but I mean why not right? 1054 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,600 I just I I can not sleep, it's fine. 1055 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,280 Sleep's overrated. You, you really think we're 1056 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,040 getting a support? I mean, look, obviously the, the 1057 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:56,120 spec isn't confirmed, but might as well, like who knows, it 1058 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,120 could happen. You, you really think they'd go 1059 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,200 with the support at this point given everything that we've kind 1060 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:05,120 of led up to at this point? I will bet you a month of game 1061 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:09,560 time that it is a support style spec that debuffs enemies 1062 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,480 through sigils. All right, in terms of cutting 1063 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,960 out a space for 1/3 Demon Hunter spec, you, you don't like what 1064 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,120 is going to be a second tank spec because like, there's never 1065 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,560 been anything with a second tank spec. 1066 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,200 Yeah, hear me out. We we could go in a different 1067 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,480 direction. So I think a lot of people like 1068 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,040 the the most common thing is just another melee that's 1069 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,760 boring. If they do that, they're going 1070 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,640 to lose people on just what's the point? 1071 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,800 They could do another limited range range specialization 1072 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,800 potentially. I think what a lot of people 1073 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,880 are, are thinking is OK, you know, give him like A2 hander. 1074 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:47,840 That'd be cool. That's fine. 1075 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,400 You know, what you can do with A2 hander is you can reach 1076 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,920 really far. You can, you know, shoe lasers. 1077 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:58,120 Those are very voidy, right 'cause I, I think like no matter 1078 00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,480 what, if we get a new demon Hunters spec, it's gonna be void 1079 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,160 related. It's gonna relate to sort of 1080 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,920 what we've seen in in the Soul Hunters fight and this kind of 1081 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,360 thing. And it's gonna relate to kind of 1082 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,800 that quest line that I'm not gonna get into that I've maybe 1083 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,200 seen data mined, but not actually bled. 1084 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,120 But certainly, I mean, to me, look, if you, if you, if you've 1085 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,760 seen Evoker and you're a designer and you think, well, 1086 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,360 you know what, we kind of have to design around this already. 1087 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,320 We kind of have to make flights work where range has to stand at 1088 00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,720 25 yards. So why not just add a couple 1089 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,040 more of those or, you know, see how that goes to me. 1090 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,280 And, and this might get me shot by any shadow briefs that are 1091 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,120 listening to this, but they've been left a lot on the table in 1092 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:41,040 terms of potential spells and things that shadow could get up 1093 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,680 to. And not like not just sigils, 1094 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,400 but like tentacles erupting from the ground and controlling 1095 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,640 enemies, right? Dungeons and Dragons has a has 1096 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,440 has a spell that erupts tentacles like from you and 1097 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,800 like, go out and like, you know, hit the enemy and this kind of 1098 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,440 thing. And hey, why not, right? 1099 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,680 But to me, you know, yeah, you can make this a range spec that 1100 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,880 stands at like 20 yards and does stuff like that. 1101 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:08,000 Sure. Why not right play into sigils 1102 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,520 play you would have to play into the existing class absolutely 1103 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,240 You could definitely have some debuff and some CC Look, 1104 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:19,120 assuming Blizzard doesn't follow my my goal to, you know, put all 1105 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,560 this stuff on support specs, you could just still add some of 1106 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,680 this stuff to this spec to make it interesting right? 1107 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,080 Give it some of these control options, like a mass grip that 1108 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,800 isn't really a mass grip, but like keeps enemies grouped up 1109 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,240 while there aren't like what's the but anyway, it doesn't 1110 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,880 matter. I'm thinking about I'm thinking 1111 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,120 about with like tentacles or something right, right. 1112 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,600 Anyway, so I think that's more likely and I might take you up 1113 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,520 on your one month bet if we don't get a new spec, 1114 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,520 everything's off. But if it's support I think 1115 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:54,000 you're up and if it's more damage Y can I just get it if 1116 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,720 it's damage or if they do a melee that? 1117 00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,880 Works even if it's just not support. 1118 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,160 If it's not support. You're on I'm at risk that you 1119 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,840 have inside info, but I'll take it anyway. 1120 01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,760 We'll see how it goes. Sean's obviously going to pay 1121 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,880 more attention to the war and the database to. 1122 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,240 Win a month of games. They must pay you peanuts. 1123 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,520 That's how you tell when. That's how I know. 1124 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,080 Like if I'm watching somebody and they stop talking about 1125 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,000 something that they've been very vocal about, I'm like, oh, now 1126 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,680 you have an answer. Yeah, realistically though, like 1127 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,560 if if they were to lean into support, I I'd really hope that 1128 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,680 they've learned some of the lessons that they did from 1129 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,760 augmentation. If you're gonna have stuff that 1130 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,160 buffs allies, limit the number of allies that it affects or, or 1131 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,600 have it buff everybody, like right, Like either buff 1132 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,280 everybody at the same time or very like very limited to to who 1133 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,880 you're buffing. Having this like hot potato 1134 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,040 thing where you're always having to figure out who who's doing 1135 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,680 the most damage. Technically, OK, you can play 1136 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,440 around that, but realistically you have to really control 1137 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,200 throughput. When that's the case, you have 1138 01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,360 to be very careful because people do different amounts of 1139 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:00,760 damage at different points in the fight. 1140 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,120 And you you have to keep it keep it limited in terms of your 1141 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,960 overall output because that becomes part of the skill 1142 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,120 expression. Like we're seeing with 1143 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,860 augmentation, some of the safest support abilities, quote UN 1144 01:01:10,860 --> 01:01:12,880 quote, that they put in the game that feels supporty. 1145 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,120 Are these things where you put something on an ally and then 1146 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,760 when they do damage, they do more damage because of something 1147 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,160 that you did, like a proc or something like that? 1148 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,120 Paladins have had stuff like this where you you'll put like a 1149 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,960 buff on somebody and then every time they hit, they'll do some 1150 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,440 light damage as well, right? This is something that they've 1151 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:33,320 done a lot in the past and that's the safest way to add 1152 01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:37,240 sort of supportive feeling stuff while making it extremely easy 1153 01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,240 to to balance. I, you know, I, I don't find 1154 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,480 that stuff necessarily as interesting than like giving 1155 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,800 people stats at certain times, but it's a Safeway to approach 1156 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,640 that. Debuffing enemies so they take 1157 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:47,480 more damage. Great. 1158 01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,520 You're gonna still suck with Warcraft logs and all this 1159 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:51,480 stuff. It's gonna be a nightmare. 1160 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,360 But hey, definitely an option, right? 1161 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,120 And, and obviously sigils are very thematic to me. 1162 01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,200 I'd, I'd hope that they lean into the void stuff a lot as 1163 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,640 well, whether it's like mind games and this kind of stuff, 1164 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,880 the, you know, psionics, the, you know, the like, you know, 1165 01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,320 the shadow words is on the shadow side of things and, and, 1166 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,200 and, or like these creatures from the void, right, summoning 1167 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,040 these things that that's all very cool to me. 1168 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,760 But I think again, just the bottom line is, is some of these 1169 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,840 lessons that we learned from Ogg and then also just really 1170 01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,240 playing into the theme. I'd I'd love to see it and I, I 1171 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,680 love my Demon Hunter alt. I I don't really play any alt at 1172 01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,760 like a competitive level compared to my main and again in 1173 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,760 season, but Demon Hunter is so much fun. 1174 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,920 I love jumping around. I love flying, I love my glades. 1175 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,880 I just, you know, it, it, it's, it's a ton of fun. 1176 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:39,920 So give me a spec that that is squarely in my in my arena and, 1177 01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,760 and it's on Demon Hunter and, and yeah, I'm sold. 1178 01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:48,720 I'm playing that day one. So beyond just like the fact 1179 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,680 that you're, you're doubting this, this debuff spec or this, 1180 01:02:52,680 --> 01:03:02,840 this buff spec, how many, how many support specs do you think 1181 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:07,480 World of Warcraft should have to like actually, it's like 1182 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,440 actually let them take the gloves off a bit because I still 1183 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,080 think 2 is a little dangerous. So like what would you say the 1184 01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:19,200 critical mass is? Well, here's the thing and it 1185 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,960 it's it's tough now, but all right, so a little bit more 1186 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,960 context on this one. I think they missed the boat on 1187 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:30,920 hero talents by not opening up support support T options for 1188 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,560 specs through the hero talents. I think they left a lot on the 1189 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:38,200 table by not giving players some support options by saying, OK, 1190 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,800 if I want to be supporty, I can choose this hero talent and if I 1191 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,400 want to do direct damage, I can choose that one. 1192 01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,280 You're seeing Ogg kind of move into this domain where if if you 1193 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,120 choose Chronal Warden, you're kind of doing more supporting 1194 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,120 stuff and if you choose scale commander, you're doing more 1195 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,440 self damage stuff. It the class is still the class, 1196 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,960 the spec is still the spec, but there's a little choice there. 1197 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,840 I would have really liked to see them play with that more. 1198 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,800 But unfortunately what really happened in my mind was they put 1199 01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,520 forward a couple of designs. One of them was the Oracle disc 1200 01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,280 priest or Oracle priest, I guess, but whatever. 1201 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,880 And one of them was the, the, the light, light spawn paladin 1202 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:21,600 or something like that. And to me, those were just poor 1203 01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,200 implementations of a really good idea. 1204 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,280 And I think they got the wrong idea from people. 1205 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:32,480 A lot of the feedback for that Oracle priest design was this is 1206 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,760 really bad. It replaces my Pi. 1207 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,040 It's literally a damage loss. This is not good. 1208 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:45,800 We hate it, but what they took from that was, oh, gotcha, you 1209 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,280 don't want supporty stuff in your hero talent. 1210 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,960 We'll take that away. Paladin had a similar thing 1211 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,640 where they had this thing where you can drop it like the light 1212 01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,680 well version of like a weapon, right, Where you have to click 1213 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,560 on it and then you get an empowered weapon that you swing 1214 01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,320 at people. And you know that that would be 1215 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,200 very supporty 'cause I'm a DPSI. See my paladin put that thing on 1216 01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,480 the ground. I need to click on it, right? 1217 01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,280 No one wants to do that is the problem, right? 1218 01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,760 You're dealing with a fight, you're moving around, you're 1219 01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,760 dealing with mechanics. And then the holy, like the holy 1220 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:11,960 paladin puts a thing on the ground. 1221 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,600 You're like, I'm not gonna go click that. 1222 01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:14,600 What the hell are you talking about? 1223 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,680 I'm standing over here like, right, just another again, like 1224 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,560 poor implementation. But what if you just picked 1225 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,920 somebody and said like, Oh yeah, they're the like holy hammer 1226 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,520 wielder and, you know, suddenly it just spawns in their hands 1227 01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,000 and now they're like doing more, right? 1228 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:29,720 That would've been cool. Why the hell not? 1229 01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,720 So to me, it was really just they they kind of failed on the 1230 01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,880 implementation and and that's that's where I think it fell 1231 01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,760 short. So again, King for day, bring in 1232 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,320 a new spec or two that are fully support oriented and then maybe 1233 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,720 have a couple classes where the hero talents, if they're gonna 1234 01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,080 keep that system going, those lean into supporting elements 1235 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,480 where, you know, again, maybe you have one or two nodes that 1236 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,320 directly buff other people's damage with a similar output to 1237 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,520 Pi, let's say, not the same effect, but gives a similar 1238 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,080 amount of contribution. Let's say, where you know, you 1239 01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:07,200 can tilt in that flavor because right now, again, Aug aug's not 1240 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,560 bringing extra utility. But if we want to open the doors 1241 01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:14,320 for that, if we want to give people more of a taste of 1242 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:18,680 support play style and sort of again, still dealing damage, but 1243 01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,360 dealing damage in a special way where you're doing it sort of 1244 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,040 through your allies. That's, that's how I would 1245 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:25,840 really lean into it a little bit more right now. 1246 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:31,440 Realistically, if we ignore raid buffs, cause those are super 1247 01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:36,440 passive and boring and stuff like Bloodlust, let's say that, 1248 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,120 you know, a whole bunch of people have realistically we 1249 01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:44,480 have Aug, we have Pi and then like blessing of seasons or 1250 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,360 something. Like I don't know if you can 1251 01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,480 think of any other maybe totems sometimes every once in a while, 1252 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,440 right? I mean, they started stripping 1253 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:56,840 those wags. But yeah, so like this stuff is 1254 01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,440 very pervasive in the history of Wow. 1255 01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,960 It's just like, again, it's just kind of a missed opportunity to 1256 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,480 me. I think like absolutely you 1257 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,640 could. You can't add 10 new specs to 1258 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,120 the game immediately. That's crazy, right? 1259 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,360 It's a ton of work. And frankly, I think the team is 1260 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:17,120 already stretched very thin with the current selection of specs 1261 01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,680 and hero talents and talent trees that they have to manage. 1262 01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,080 In fact, I like frankly, obviously think it's way too 1263 01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,200 much. So when we're talking about 1264 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,040 adding one new spec here and there, I think they're already 1265 01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:28,200 biting off more than they can chew. 1266 01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,360 But let's say you know that, let's say that's realistic. 1267 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,440 Fine, you're gonna have to ease into it. 1268 01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,640 It's gonna be one or two specs or even just, you know, maybe a 1269 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,320 new class in the expansion, you know, knock on wood, right? 1270 01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:42,160 That would be cool, but you're you're not gonna get to more 1271 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,200 than like 2-3, maybe 4 support E specs that are brand new. 1272 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,840 You could start hammering some of the existing ones, but people 1273 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,720 hate that people are pretty married to their. 1274 01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,640 Like, if if you've settled into a spec at this point, it's 1275 01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,240 because you really like, you probably really enjoy that spec. 1276 01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,120 It it speaks to you the way that it deals damage is interesting 1277 01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,800 to you. The aesthetic motivates you. 1278 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,760 I mean, there are like die hard survival hunters that have been 1279 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,440 playing that thing for ages and and just, you know, like nothing 1280 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,920 will shake them, right. And if you were to go, yeah, now 1281 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,560 survival is a support spec that, you know, traps enemies and 1282 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:17,800 keeps them locked down and like, I don't know, you know, like it 1283 01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,399 empowers other people's attacks by like marking their weak 1284 01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:23,680 points or something, right. It's like, yeah, I mean that 1285 01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,319 it's on theme, but it's not the same flavor as sort of this, you 1286 01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:30,800 know, melee savage guy with a pet that's doing some crazy 1287 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,800 stuff, right. So that that's that's to me, 1288 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,680 like again, I just missed opportunity around. 1289 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,760 I think the hero talents, I think they could still go in 1290 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,960 that direction if they want to. So revamp some of the less 1291 01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,960 popular ones, add more support elements there. 1292 01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:44,960 Maybe we got a new Demon Hunter spec that leans in that 1293 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,240 direction. Maybe we got a new class in 1294 01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,040 midnight that does some new some cool stuff too. 1295 01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,680 And then we have 3 or 4 and some hero talent options as well. 1296 01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,399 And suddenly now we're not afraid to play with support. 1297 01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,359 I'm very pessimistic on this. Every time I've seen an 1298 01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:59,920 interview recently, they've been like, I don't know, people don't 1299 01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:00,880 like support. We'll see. 1300 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,200 I think people like support. It's just we're, we're getting 1301 01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,319 the wrong, we're, we're getting the wrong message across. 1302 01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:08,520 And I want to set the record straight. 1303 01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,080 You need to be careful with how you implement these specs, but 1304 01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,160 they are wildly popular with a big segment of your player base. 1305 01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:21,520 And frankly, those those players, as long as the spec is 1306 01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,080 reasonably performant and they don't feel like they're letting 1307 01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,880 their group down by playing the spec, it's fine. 1308 01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,640 It doesn't have to be top tier. It's just you're you're doing a 1309 01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,399 disservice when Ogg has a super wide skill cap in raid and 1310 01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,800 someone who we're talking about the most like selfless players. 1311 01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,200 At the end of the day, the ones that are going what what I enjoy 1312 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,279 is making other people do more damage and play better and do 1313 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,920 all this stuff. And if you ever give them the 1314 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,600 feeling that they're not contributing or that they're 1315 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,280 letting the group down by playing a spec that that kills 1316 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,120 it immediately. And and that's, that's just 1317 01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:02,760 super sad. Yeah, that's that's a great 1318 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,720 that's a great bow on that. Is that these people, they their 1319 01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:12,400 joy is derived from lifting others up and the community is 1320 01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:14,280 just like, I want to do my own damage. 1321 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,920 If I have an Ogg, how do I know what my damage is? 1322 01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,080 It's not fair. I couldn't parse because he had 1323 01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:20,440 an Ogg and I didn't. It's. 1324 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:22,840 It's. Why do they want to lift these 1325 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:23,320 games? It's. 1326 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,200 Really funny because I back in the day when I first picked up 1327 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:31,760 the game, I I was attracted to healing priests because I was 1328 01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,760 like, wow, there's you know, OK, there's, there's two healing 1329 01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:34,600 specs. That's very cool. 1330 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:35,640 You know, I have some options here. 1331 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,920 I'm really into this like, you know, like holy light healer, 1332 01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,200 but like the cloth robe aesthetic, this kind of thing. 1333 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:48,440 And just like when when I first got to it in in like BC, you 1334 01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:50,560 know, I was like, all right, this is just a very cool spec 1335 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,920 where I can jump in in raid with my Guild and that I just joined 1336 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,400 and be useful, right. And then when when RAF came 1337 01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,080 along, disc was very good. We had these like huge bubbles, 1338 01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,520 this kind of thing. I'm like, heck yeah, this is 1339 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:02,960 unique and interesting and awesome. 1340 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,560 Like, you know, where I'm shielding allies, they are safe 1341 01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,040 before they take damage. Great. 1342 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,720 And then I took some time off the game and I came back in 1343 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:14,200 Legion because we got this cool knife and I was like, that 1344 01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,600 sounds cool. I was never DPS Mane before 1345 01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,600 that. I was just like, this spec 1346 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,640 really speaks to me. So I'm gonna figure out how to 1347 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,320 do damage. I'm gonna learn to like it and 1348 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,440 I, I learned to like it. Surrender to Madness is freaking 1349 01:11:24,440 --> 01:11:25,880 cool. That spec is still the coolest 1350 01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,680 thing like ever as far as I'm concerned, but just sort of 1351 01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,840 reading out that journey to you. I'm I'm attracted to support 1352 01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,840 specs in games. I think I think it's really, 1353 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,960 really cool. I think you can absolutely get 1354 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,120 have a lot of fun by dealing as much damage personally as you 1355 01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,840 possibly can, But there's also something to be said about I 1356 01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,840 need the situational awareness to know where my team is, what 1357 01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,040 they're doing. If I think to like lost Ark, for 1358 01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,120 example, the lost ark support role is it's a little bit of a 1359 01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:55,720 healer, but you also deal damage and you also you have a lot of 1360 01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,880 this like bonus utility that other classes don't, where I can 1361 01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:04,760 put like, you know, a Windrush totem basically on the ground 1362 01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,960 that makes people fast or put down a gateway for people to 1363 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,640 move that that in that game. That's pretty much all on the 1364 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,320 support class and you can absolutely clear content without 1365 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,240 a support. But if you want those extra 1366 01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,200 heals, if you want, right, the movement tech, this kind of 1367 01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:20,920 stuff, you bring a support, right. 1368 01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:25,200 So to me that's extremely cool. You know, anyway, it, it really 1369 01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:29,320 just it's, it's that flavor that that augmentation really opened 1370 01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,640 the door for where no other spec in the game at this point in 1371 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,320 time feels like that. And the fact that they're kind 1372 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:41,040 of eroding at that feel that part of the spec over time is, 1373 01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:45,760 is just really the like it, it, it, it's, it's, it's tricky and, 1374 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,880 and really where I hope gets a little more attention, 1375 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:49,160 especially as we go into midnight. 1376 01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:55,080 Kind of want to ask the audience if you were one of those resto 1377 01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,720 shamans that love being the mana battery with your mana tie 1378 01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:02,120 totem, If you were one of those paladins that love to do the 1379 01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:06,600 seal twisting, I think the support people, they've been out 1380 01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:07,920 there. But of course there's those 1381 01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,280 people who like didn't like totem twisting that like didn't 1382 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,800 like having to like give up their thing or be like the guy 1383 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,080 who would take the the damage and sack and and dying to get 1384 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:23,320 resurrected. Where have you guys been before? 1385 01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,360 And I don't want to say after Ogg Ogg still around before Ogg, 1386 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,400 right where where's where's your home being? 1387 01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,720 And would you want those things to be around? 1388 01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:37,000 Because I think the game has had moments where classes have been 1389 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,600 supportive, had really had something that like added to 1390 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,360 everybody, everybody else. And Blizzard has cut those down. 1391 01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:47,000 Like I, I definitely remember being the resto shaman where I 1392 01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:51,040 was stacking spirit for my mana tide because that helped a lot. 1393 01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,240 And I'd love to know what where people have found their support, 1394 01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,880 if they'd like to see that again outside of Ogg, or if they're 1395 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,960 happy with just like getting that Ogg going again. 1396 01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,560 What can they tell us, Manny? Where can they give us their 1397 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,720 answer? Well, you can definitely join 1398 01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:12,560 the discord at bit dot LY slash fast Discord and give your two 1399 01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,680 cents there. And you can always reach out to 1400 01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,760 us all on socials. So when people want to find you 1401 01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,200 on socials, where can they do that? 1402 01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,560 Jericho, let us know. Yeah, realistically, if you join 1403 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,920 that fast Discord, I think I'm a member in there. 1404 01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,760 So if you go into the top right and just search JEREICO, you'll 1405 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,920 probably find me and the purple coffee cup. 1406 01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:38,000 That's that's me. Got a website, jericho.com, 1407 01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,840 which has links to all my stuff. Twitter name's different, so 1408 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,960 probably not the easiest to go there is, although I'm sure if 1409 01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:46,400 you search Jericho something will come up. 1410 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,360 And also again writing for Augmentation of Ochre on 1411 01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,120 Wowhead, so there will be all sorts of links on there as well. 1412 01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,160 OK. And Sean, when you are not 1413 01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:04,520 waxing with all of the the what it could be theory crafting or 1414 01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,760 when you're not telling us the analysis at the at the desk, 1415 01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:13,800 where can people find you? Right here or also in that same 1416 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,840 discord. And other than that, it's 1417 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:21,560 cartridge Bros everywhere. So Twitch, YouTube, Twitter, I 1418 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,880 think Blue Sky is a different name but don't follow me there 1419 01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,000 because nobody logs into Blue Sky. 1420 01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:26,520 Excuse. Me. 1421 01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:31,360 That's where I'm constantly at. It's just for shame, Sir. 1422 01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:34,960 I enjoy my blue sky. I enjoy my nice little liberal 1423 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,560 bubble anyway. I'm on there as well. 1424 01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,960 I might forget to. I was going to say tweet. 1425 01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,680 What? What do we call it on that one? 1426 01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,000 I was. On Blue Sky they call it crying 1427 01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:51,520 because nobody reads them. Man I'm teasing, I'm teasing 1428 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,760 blue sky fans. I was in before it was an open 1429 01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:59,960 invite. I'm a blue sky OG still. 1430 01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:04,280 Still a sad place. And of course, Lex is not here, 1431 01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,960 but you can find her at Lex under score rants on socials 1432 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,000 including Blue Sky. She's another person who's 1433 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,080 actually on Blue Sky. And we'd like to thank everybody 1434 01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,240 who supports the show, including one of our latest patrons. 1435 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:21,560 Thank you, Elliott Beagles. We will get Sean to give you a 1436 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,520 story next time, but we are running short on time today. 1437 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,880 So until next time, may all your hits be grits.