1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,480 If you're the dev who coded this and you are most decidedly not 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,800 an intern, I want you to know that for legal reasons, that was 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,240 a joke, OK? You know networks cancel joke 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,240 joking parties now, so watch your mouth for the Karen tour. 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,720 For Pandaria. For. 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,840 Calendar. To the burning. 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,280 Region. For Gilnaeus, but has not died 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:37,480 for the Lich King for the. Sindora for the Alliance for. 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:44,360 The Horde for Azeroth. Hello and welcome to another 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,960 episode of For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, the 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,720 returning villain AKA Manny, and I am joined of course by the two 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,800 people who held down the Fort who did all the work last week, 13 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:07,680 other than editing apparently. We have, of course coming to us 14 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,880 from part unknown. In the new abode we have Lex. 15 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,560 Hello Lex, how are you and how's the World of Warcraft been 16 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:15,400 treating you? I. 17 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,240 Great, I finally set up my on the floor gaming station and 18 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:25,040 immediately realized that the table that I the coffee table 19 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:26,800 that I was using was far too short. 20 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,680 So I am now purchasing a new coffee table which I said I was 21 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,360 not going to do and I was going to buy them used. 22 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,280 So this is But this is great. I'm on the floor and I'm 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,960 snuggling with my puppy while I'm recording a podcast and I'm 24 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:40,840 playing video games, not in my spare time, so I'm doing great. 25 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,320 Nice. And then coming to us from 26 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,400 Eastern Canada in one of his manses, we have of course, Sean. 27 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,360 Hello. Hello, Manny. 28 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,200 How are you and how's the World of Warcraft been treating you? 29 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,400 I'm doing well, we are actually thinking about moving to PEI, 30 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,480 buying a home over there and moving to PEI which just makes 31 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,639 me chuckle but I'm doing well. Warcraft is doing well. 32 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,320 I've been on the PTR, hitting the dungeons, things are feeling 33 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,120 good. I don't want to say best season 34 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:22,600 ever, but I will say season ever and it's definitely a season. 35 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,080 And yeah, we've just been grinding through. 36 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:31,400 I am officially done all tasks that I need to do on retail 37 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,760 until the end of the next season. 38 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:37,400 As far as player power goes, I have my Warrior, my Paladin, and 39 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:42,560 my Death Knight all geared at 684 Max doe ready to go into 40 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,320 next season. Remaining paladin, but we're 41 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,160 going to keep the others ready to go just in case. 42 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:52,120 And I've started the raid prep for both NA and EU where one is 43 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,640 mythic and one is heroic. Things are good. 44 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:02,080 That's good, that's good. Speaking about 11.2, the last 45 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,600 week that I was here, we got that release date. 46 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,960 While you guys were holding down the Fort, of course Blizzard was 47 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,200 making changes. But in between last episode of 48 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:20,040 this episode, we now have a release client out on the PTR. 49 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,120 So it is getting very real. We're going to see people 50 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,320 putting up their tail list if they haven't already put up 51 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,800 their tailors. But I'm going to tell everybody 52 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,680 within the sound of my voice slow down because Blizzard has 53 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:39,360 been working through with different hot fixes on the PTR 54 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,160 and changing things quite quickly. 55 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,920 In fact, we had some changes today. 56 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,480 And Sean, you were looking at them at first and first you 57 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,640 were, you weren't happy about some changes, but you, you got 58 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,520 in, you played a bit and turned it around. 59 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,960 Tell tell us about like what kind of tuning they're doing 60 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,640 with Mythic Plus? So they are attempting to make 61 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,800 it more accessible. And one of the things that 62 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,720 players have identified as a hurdle, especially for new 63 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,760 players getting in trying to push to to higher levels is the 64 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,360 complexity and the coordination required in because it says they 65 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,120 changed the way AOE like CC's work where they don't send 66 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,720 abilities on cool down. That coordination of CCAOE stops 67 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:24,680 has become much higher at the higher key levels. 68 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,720 And it seems like Blizzard is trying to find ways to work 69 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,880 around that. And one of those ways that they 70 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,760 did try to, to work around this, the fish sticks and Soleil's 71 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:39,320 gambit, if you remember them from shadow ants, would be a it 72 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,080 was a 1.5. They started out as a 1.5 second 73 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,600 cast by the scale binders or scale finders or scale. 74 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,360 The stupid. Yeah, Murlocs. 75 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,560 And then once the cast ended, it would put a fish stick in the 76 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,400 ground, which is a totem. And then that totem would put 77 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:02,120 ADR on the enemies and start to heal them with invigorating fish 78 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,560 sticks. That's it's a frustrating came 79 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,680 to play around now as through tuning and shadow lands that got 80 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,760 changed from 1.5 to 3 seconds to cast. 81 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,920 People started using AOE stops to to avoid having to deal with 82 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,160 these. And because it's a totem, 83 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,240 because it's coded as a totem, they're not affected by AOE 84 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,240 spells. So you have to single target 85 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:22,760 them down. You have to physically swap to 86 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,880 them as your main target and focus them down. 87 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,720 Coming into this season, coming into into season 3, they were 88 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,720 looking like they were not going to be any more fun and people 89 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,800 had complained about them and asked for fixes to them to try 90 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:39,200 and make them somehow better. Wowhead did some data mining 91 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,440 last night before the fixes went in, and what they data mined was 92 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,000 that there was no longer a cast timer, that the totems were 93 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,840 instant cast, that they make the mobs bigger when they empower 94 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:54,840 it, and there was another change, I can't remember what it 95 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:56,400 said. Anyway, the changes that they 96 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,240 said made it seem like Blizzard doubled down and made these 97 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,600 things awful because with with them being an instant cast, 98 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,120 there's no you can't chain CC the enemies. 99 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:08,880 But what in actuality happened? I went in and played it. 100 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,040 The the totem is instant cast. So the fish stick is still 101 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,000 instant cast, but the fish stick itself is like 4 times the size 102 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,400 that it was. It's as tall as a very large 103 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,480 murloc. Like if you know that number, 104 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,600 that toy that you're that mouth that we all got for being six 105 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,920 months subscribers to like the big burly orange murloc that 106 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,160 everybody rides. It's about that size. 107 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:34,440 It's effing huge. And but once it casts once the 108 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,200 once the murloc casts it, it then has a 5 second cast timer. 109 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:44,360 The totem itself doesn't start. It's Dr. or it's healing for 110 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,840 five seconds. So you have 5 full seconds to 111 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:49,440 swap. It's still totem, which is kind 112 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:50,880 of a bummer. I'd like to see that be changed. 113 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,080 It's the one last change I would like. 114 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,040 If you still hard swap to it, burn it down. 115 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,560 If you have a monk in your group that can touch and death it, get 116 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,760 it down before that 5 seconds and then it never DRS and it 117 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,440 never heals the enemies or you. Also, alternatively, you have 5 118 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,840 seconds to cut away from it. Yeah. 119 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,160 So the data mining and posting before the patch notes, because 120 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,640 the patch notes sort of clarified a little bit, didn't 121 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,440 paint the whole picture, and it wasn't until we actually went 122 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,120 and played it. That's why it's so important 123 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,080 that we don't get frustrated and immediately triggered by what we 124 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,480 read from data mining, because it doesn't always mean what we 125 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,600 think it means or play out the way it does. 126 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,960 And I was one of those people who instantly got. 127 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:29,800 I was like, oh, this is it. They ruined so last gambit. 128 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,600 But I was wrong. Yeah. 129 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:35,800 They fixed it so last gambit's better now. 130 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,680 It's perfect. There are no more issues. 131 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,720 Blizzard stop tuning for me Gambit. 132 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,480 There, there are things that people want. 133 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,840 Yeah. No, like they definitely made 134 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:43,320 it. We're done. 135 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,600 It fixed it. Another change to Slayers Gambit 136 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,840 that is a huge quality of life change but also makes me a 137 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,080 little bit sad. The second boss is the pirate 138 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,400 dragon Captain Hook Tail. In that fight. 139 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,520 ADS get off of a boat, rush the beach. 140 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,760 You, you, you turn the dragon to use its frontal breath weapon to 141 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,640 kill those pirates as they're running into their swashbuckles 142 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,120 as they're running in. But Captain Hook Tail, as the 143 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,720 name says, has a giant tail mechanic that hurts the players 144 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,840 in your group as you swing it around to hit them. 145 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,840 They have removed the tail mechanic entirely. 146 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,560 There is no more to. So instead of a tail mechanic, 147 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,240 now there is a dot that goes on players which gives you a haste 148 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,240 buff. So I think it's a 30% haste 149 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,240 buff, but it also does 244,000 damage. 150 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,520 Every tick of damage, it does 10% more damage for 30 seconds 151 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,080 or until it's dispelled. So now there's going to be this 152 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,840 really fun gameplay of how long can I survive this dot ticking 153 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,280 with this buff before it has to get dispelled. 154 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,000 And then when you dispel, there's a burst of damage. 155 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,000 Two of those go to once. So it'll obviously have to be 156 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,160 something you stagger dispels on. 157 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,640 But I'm really looking forward to MDI groups where they have 158 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,960 like a single Death Knight who pops AMS and then gets spell 159 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:02,840 wording from his paladin and then gets paints up and they 160 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,200 stack them all the way for 30 seconds and watch him blast. 161 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,680 That's going to be a lot of fun. But yeah, Captain Hook Tail 162 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,200 doesn't have a hook tail anymore. 163 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,920 So now it's just, yeah, now it's just Captain Tail. 164 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,640 That sounds so much worse. Yeah, than. 165 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,000 It does, yeah. Like does it? 166 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,000 I want to know if it goes through immunities and stuff. 167 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,920 I could see to see like a Palin be like, oh, I'm about to die, 168 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,160 time to bubble and get like 3-4 more seconds out of this with 169 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,200 like that much haste to kill who? 170 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,960 Who? That can be spicy, that is. 171 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,560 I love that. That's got play. 172 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,960 Let's got play. Let's got into play. 173 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:40,960 But yeah, all this means that if people are putting out those 174 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,920 tier lists being like, Oh my goodness, this is good, This is 175 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,600 worse. This is the worst dungeon. 176 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,520 This is the hardest dungeon. Like don't, don't take that to 177 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,000 heart right now. They are still very much at work 178 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,720 trying to do adjustments here. I saw that there were some 179 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:03,160 healer changes last week while while I was travelling back from 180 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,120 the more rural parts of Ontario. Yes, you're allowed to say 181 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,200 Ontario to John. That's fine. 182 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:10,280 I. Almost gave your address though. 183 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,800 Manny, I was like you. Didn't quite go there at least. 184 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,400 Maybe you edited that part out and I'll be thankful for that. 185 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:24,320 Yeah. So yeah, like I'm excited for 186 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:30,640 11.2. Like I just, you guys already 187 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,040 talked about Sean's misgivings of the story. 188 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:38,360 I I hold some different misgivings of the story, but 189 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,440 that will literally have to be an entirely separate episode. 190 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,840 But what are you guys excited for an 11.2 let Lex I got I got 191 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,880 to throw this one to you first. Rating I'm excited to get back 192 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,240 into the raid. It sounds really fun. 193 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,880 It sounds really cool. It sounds like there's a lot of 194 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,240 story. I am I'm excited to feel like 195 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,080 there's like something for me to be working towards right now 196 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,840 that isn't just like prepping in general. 197 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,560 That is that is absolutely the thing that I'm the most hyped 198 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:09,520 about, and this one sounds really cool. 199 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,000 I have. I I know none of us. 200 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,360 Question Mark. I've seen the dementias fight, 201 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:15,800 right? That one's hard locked. 202 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,400 Yeah, well. Unless that's what Sean couldn't 203 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:19,440 tell us about. But yet. 204 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,600 Yeah. As far as we're legally allowed 205 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,360 to say, apparently none of us have seen the dementias fight. 206 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,560 Well, that just, it just sounds sick, like the, you know, fight 207 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:33,600 as a city. Oh my God, insane. 208 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,920 I'm so hyped and I'm so hyped for our inevitable betrayal by 209 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:42,560 Zalitath. Yeah, I'm, I'm more on Sean's 210 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:49,960 side on that one, but I can just like, OK, Sean, before I go off 211 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,360 on this tangent, what are you most looking forward to? 212 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,960 Is it also rating or are you more excited for Mythic Plus or 213 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,800 what's what's got you going for 11.2? 214 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,400 Are you most excited for your personal zoo? 215 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,040 I am looking forward to actually, you know what the 216 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,880 Ecodome I, I was thinking about this. 217 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,560 So the Ecodomes and I, you know why I equated it to Jurassic 218 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:10,600 Park. You go and you're, you're 219 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,120 rebuilding these things. And then I saw the new Jurassic 220 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,000 Park movie and then I was thinking to myself, I've seen 221 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,120 every Jurassic Park movie and they all end horribly. 222 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:26,120 But if there was an actual real world Jurassic Park, knowing how 223 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,920 horrible it goes and everyone, I'm still going. 224 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,080 I'm not passing up the chance to see an Ankylosaurus like I'm 225 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:37,280 sorry, I need to see my spiky boy, I'm going to Jurassic Park. 226 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,200 That is not what I'm most excited about 11.2. 227 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,600 But I just wanted to be clear that if they open a real 228 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,160 Jurassic Park and you see me going, please don't tweet at me. 229 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,800 Wow, he's such a hypocrite. He knows those Dinos be eating 230 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:54,680 some. You did so good last episode, 231 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,000 not swearing and so I know you can do it so. 232 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,560 No, maybe what he's saying is the dinosaurs famously eat dogs 233 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,480 and so there's got a 50% chance that they'll be female. 234 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,600 That's not even a swear. It's true. 235 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:09,160 It's true. Yeah. 236 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,880 Jurassic Park 3, The Lost World. They eat a dinosaur in the 237 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,960 backyard in San Francisco, right over to the doghouse. 238 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,360 I can't believe you don't remember that man. 239 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,400 Come. On man, anyway, one of. 240 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,800 My excited for an 11.2. I'm going to. 241 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,880 I mean, I'm with Lex. The raid is a banger. 242 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,800 I've played through it. I'm looking forward to progging 243 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:29,760 with my teams. I think for me what I'm most 244 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:36,760 excited for is to be one step closer to midnight and the 245 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,760 announcement of cross region gameplay. 246 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,240 I think that is what I'm most excited for. 247 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,320 An 11.21 step closer to being able to use all of my characters 248 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,040 on NA with my friends on EU, and more importantly being able to 249 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,320 merge all of the collectibles from my EU account into my NA 250 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:59,840 account. I am looking forward to 11.2. 251 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:04,160 The non 11.2 thing that I'm looking forward to is a super 252 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,040 clip of every time Sean has predicted that we would get 253 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:13,720 cross region play. But coming in 11.2, I think I'm 254 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,520 yeah, I'm with you on that. Getting closer to midnight. 255 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:24,440 I think that that like I'm excited to see where that goes, 256 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,640 especially since the, the scuttlebutt around it is that 257 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:34,000 the story of the war within sort of shifted in production and 258 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,120 this is what they could divert the story to. 259 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,080 And so like midnight will be the true pushing towards what they 260 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:47,200 what they had planned. And then beyond that, man, I, I 261 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:52,160 really want to push pretty hard at the beginning of this season 262 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,760 for mythic plus. The end of this season was my 263 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,320 push for for mythic plus. This time I'd like to kind of 264 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,920 get there earlier. I'm not going to be anywhere 265 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,880 looking to push for title. I'm not going to go be going to 266 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,480 like nineteens and 20s. That's not that's not in the 267 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,440 forecast as it were. But I would love to start 268 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:20,680 pushing into fourteens into fifteens, see where we can go, 269 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,520 see if my my team is willing to push themselves considering 270 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:31,960 where we got this time. I am scared however, that we're 271 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:37,280 going to get things in later patches that are going to be 272 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:45,360 like we got in 12.5 and in 12.7. Namely the belt power up, the 273 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,680 extra 8 item levels on everything, power up the head 274 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,280 and chant power up. Which meant that the early part 275 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,280 of the season kind of didn't count, which I felt was weird 276 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,720 and kind of self defeating I feel. 277 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:04,040 Like that's sort of true of every patch, though, is that 278 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,720 like, would it like you're always going to go into it with 279 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,080 the knowledge that if you push in the beginning, they're going 280 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,040 to make it easier by the end, right. 281 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:18,200 And so like, do I, I maybe not to, to to be fair, this season 282 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,560 was back loaded and it was back loaded with time limited things 283 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,640 and I didn't like that either. Like I, I hear what you're 284 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,920 saying that there was a lot that was handed to you by the end of 285 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,120 it. But like at the end of the day, 286 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,440 it's always going to be the people who get title within the 287 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,640 first few weeks or the people who get, you know, Keystone 288 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,240 master or whatever. Within the first few weeks 289 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,960 though, like just by definition, they worked significantly harder 290 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,400 and had significantly less gear available to them than the 291 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,040 people who get it right before season close. 292 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,080 Like there's always catch up mechanics, there's always some 293 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,200 extra little things they give you. 294 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,480 There's always ways that it just got significantly easier. 295 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,360 To a point, yeah. But like entire systems, like we 296 00:16:54,360 --> 00:17:00,320 didn't have anything quite like this for much of Dragonflight. 297 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,599 But like, to your point, in 11.1, we did have the ring that 298 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:08,160 showed up on the Siren Isle that gave a lot of people a boost of 299 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,800 power. I don't think there was much 300 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,400 beyond that. You guys can correct me if I'm 301 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,960 wrong, right? It was a weird this season it 302 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,160 did feel like they were really scared people were not going to 303 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,680 be able to get things by season end, which was a little bit 304 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,160 surprising because to be fair, I didn't do any method. 305 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,080 But it it sounded like this was one of the easiest seasons 306 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,400 they've had. So I don't know why they were so 307 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,600 like terrified, But I, I guess my argument would be that like 308 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,920 there's always like, even if it's just like they start 309 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,120 handing out gear like it's candy by the end of the season, right? 310 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:44,880 Like they always do things to make the end of the season 311 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,000 significantly easier than the beginning of the season. 312 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:54,440 This season was easier because of the extra power they gave us. 313 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,120 It was the turbo boost in 11 point 1.5 that made the season 314 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:01,160 easy. Everybody gained 6 item levels 315 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,840 and then on top of that we had a few weeks later we had the the 316 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,440 helmet chance coming from from visions which added player 317 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,000 power. A lot of classes were still 318 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,480 using Cersei's circuit which was a bit overpowered especially if 319 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,000 you were a mastery loving class. And then boomkins and or feral 320 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,680 druids maybe. But that is why sorry. 321 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,160 Enhancement shaman call. Enhancement shaman, Yeah. 322 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,920 So that, I think, is why the season felt easier. 323 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,880 And the Galliwick's mythic kills, they've that rings true 324 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,880 for that there. It's like the most killed boss 325 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,120 or right now it's the second most killed boss and boss in, in 326 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:38,200 modern Wow, it might be the most killed at this point. 327 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,040 So it's, it's definitely more accessible, but it's because of 328 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,360 that mid season boost. And they've already said that 329 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:50,440 they liked what turbo boost provided and they're, they're 330 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,280 looking to do something similar in 11.2. 331 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,720 So I expect a mid season Crest bump. 332 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,320 Save your crests now. Hot tip, don't use the Crest 333 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:05,000 upgrade vendor guy until the turbo boost of season of season 334 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,400 3 comes out and then you can do it all in one day and not have 335 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,680 to farm anything. That's a hot tip for you. 336 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,880 That's what I did this season and it wasn't just that I forgot 337 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,720 that I could do the craft upgrade and. 338 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,880 The end of the season. Well, another, another thing 339 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,480 that Lex has been doing that everybody else should be doing 340 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:29,840 is not spending your valor stones because going into 11.3, 341 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,560 we will not have a reset of valor stones. 342 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,800 Anything, any valor that you have if you're capped already 343 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,560 because you just, what are you going to spend it on? 344 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,920 You've upgraded everything already and so forth. 345 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,240 You get to carry those into the next season and as you get 346 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,000 upgrades, you'll be able to immediately start pushing that 347 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,240 through. If you're somebody who is 348 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:59,200 economically minded, make sure you have a lot of things ready 349 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,640 for enchanting items and all of that. 350 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,400 Because a lot of people are going to be getting items, 351 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,920 upgrading them past anything that they've gotten this season, 352 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,400 Especially if they're like a heroic Raider and they're being 353 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,800 capped at 470 something. In that first week, you're going 354 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,200 to be getting 480 something gear. 355 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,800 And then in Mythic Plus, you're going to be starting to get gear 356 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,880 from that. And that means. 357 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:27,520 Anybody who needs a new ring enchant, new gems, new whatever 358 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:35,560 consumables, they're going to be way more of a hot commodity in 359 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,320 the beginning of the season that I think they've been in seasons 360 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,880 past. Now. 361 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,040 I don't think either of one of you are really doing professions 362 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,600 on. You have like an entire Guild 363 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,720 network. So you've got like your one sort 364 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,680 of profession that you've worked through. 365 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,000 Yeah, I'm in. I'm enchanting an alchemy on 366 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,880 every character. Chanting enough, have you? 367 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,800 Are they all the same level of completed or? 368 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:03,080 Yeah, they're all finished. Well, I have one that is almost 369 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,120 finished. He was behind. 370 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:06,960 But yeah, all of my characters are enchanting an alchemy. 371 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,280 Alchemy for the extended flash duration. 372 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,440 It only makes sense and enchanting because when all you 373 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,720 do is dungeons, it's a gathering profession. 374 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,640 Good, good. My mind chanting is nowhere near 375 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,440 complete because it's on an alt that barely touches dungeons. 376 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,840 And so thank goodness for War Bound because that's where it's 377 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,120 beginning most of its stuff. Lex, what about you? 378 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:35,400 I, I feel like you had said early on in season 1 that you 379 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,880 were sort of like not really doing professions. 380 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,720 I don't think I've really seen heard you pick up from there. 381 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,320 Yeah, I have 30,000 golds. That probably tells you about 382 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,720 how about how much I've been doing labour wise to keep things 383 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,160 going. I will, I, I need, I need to 384 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,200 start doing gold work just because like I'm kind of hitting 385 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,920 the point when like people be like, oh, you can craft this 386 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,680 thing and I have to sit there and do a little math and be 387 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,960 like, oh, that is all my money. So I think especially now that I 388 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,200 have my cute old floor couch and I can get back into just like, 389 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,280 you know, spending a couple hours just flying around, having 390 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,400 a good time, watching TV, listening to a podcast, 391 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,480 gathering stuff. I think I do just need to go and 392 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,280 sit down and and make myself a little money 'cause I am a broke 393 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,880 baby. Well, at 30 Ki might suggest the 394 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,320 tried and true Sean method of gathering. 395 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,600 Basically you use your credit card and the Blizzard store, you 396 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,600 get yourself a token that'll get that little like at this point 397 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,800 roughly 10 times your gold right off the bat and that that'll 398 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,640 like keep you comfy and for like what, 20 bucks like I I feel 399 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,800 like that'll be pretty good. If you're living within your 400 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,880 means, AT30K300K will be some mad money for you. 401 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,200 I got 300. If I saw 300,000 gold in my bags 402 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,120 I literally don't know what I would do. 403 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,840 Like I think I might actually cry of joy like the shoe. 404 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,640 There the token 300K right now. Yeah, like it's because that's 405 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,680 what I said, because it's getting close to 11.2. 406 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,160 So the token prices are are ballooning. 407 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,200 I would suspect that they're not. 408 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,720 They're going to go down a little bit. 409 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,760 But by the end of August, once we get Gamescon, you're going to 410 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,200 see those balloon again. And this is probably going to be 411 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:35,760 one of the last times people are going to see tokens on NA below 412 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,120 300K, in my opinion. They like it's. 413 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,320 I expect as we get closer to the expansion, as things heat up 414 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,640 with like Legion Remix and all that sort of stuff, tokens are 415 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,840 going to go up yet again. And I remember getting those 416 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,360 tokens 430K back in the day, Lex. 417 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,120 So you know that that's where that's what it is right now. 418 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,400 I I might just go fix a couple problems this evening. 419 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,560 Oh my God there are 311,000 right now. 420 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,400 I'm buying one right now. There you go. 421 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,240 OK, you. Fucking money. 422 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,880 Are you serious? Lex, you got to buy well I'm 423 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:19,440 spending real money to get the 311,000 gold like I'm purchasing 424 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,920 the token to sell on the Lex, you got to do it do it with me 425 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,640 let's do it together. I. 426 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,880 I, I might be opening my my World of Warcraft client as we 427 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,320 speak just because you're, I mean, that would just do you 428 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,680 know how many problems in my life would be fixed by 300,000 429 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,760 gold? For the for the audience at 430 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:42,360 home, I was like, this close to just giving Lexi 100K just like, 431 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,400 just like, oh, I'm sorry, Lexi a cow. 432 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,160 This is this is the issue is my, my sweet loving Guild who I love 433 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,280 so much will very kindly like anytime we're talking about 434 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,480 crafting or anything, I'll be like, oh, I don't know if I can 435 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,120 afford that. Like three people are like, 436 00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,560 we'll make it for you. And I'm like, I should say no, 437 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,720 but I kind of can't. But if I had 300,000 gold, do 438 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,840 you guys regularly have 300,000 gold just sitting in your bags? 439 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,160 On and on what? Like Mike? 440 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,000 It costs me money, but yes. My alts, I don't like leaving 441 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,720 them with less than 5K because I'm like, yeah, but what if they 442 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,080 need to like repair or something? 443 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:26,600 So I've got, sorry, I've got like my army of alts and none of 444 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:38,640 them have less than than 5K. My cheapest on my war band, it's 445 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,920 got to be 6 digits. There's no way it's less than 6 446 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,200 digits. How do I sign up to be one of 447 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:49,200 your alts? Well Lex, you have you have your 448 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:54,080 own, your own will, and therefore, damn it, I will allow 449 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:59,280 you to live your life. I don't want to be an alt, but 450 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,120 how do I get you as my sugar daddy? 451 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,120 We'll, we'll, we'll talk after the show because I do want to 452 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,440 come visit before you fly out to PEI or something. 453 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,200 Well. We would take the boat across 454 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,400 OH. There you go. 455 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,040 That's true in. The ferry not we don't have. 456 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:21,320 We wouldn't take the. Sorry guys, he wouldn't take the 457 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,720 yacht. He doesn't want to damage that 458 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,360 with the property. He would hire a crew and they 459 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:30,040 would ferry his property over from one of his, from one of his 460 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,560 pavilions over to whatever place that he buys. 461 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,880 Yeah, gold problems aside and money problems non existent for 462 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,720 Sean, We're going to be moving on to the next thing, which is 463 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,560 if you have all that goal, what are you going to do with it in 464 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,600 11.2? You're going to go to the new 465 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,320 shiny trinket vendor that Lex thought should be next, but is 466 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,760 actually a trinket vendor that it comes from Delves. 467 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:04,040 And so updating from our story from last week, we now know that 468 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:17,360 the rotation of that of that vendor and I I dislike daily 469 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:23,960 rotations on vendors. I think that is annoying and RNG 470 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:30,200 and I would literally rather they have this a static amount. 471 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,920 But because every trinket is available at least two of the 472 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,760 days, it's a little bit better. But that still means it's not 473 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,320 there three days. And if you happen to go on one 474 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,720 of the three, the three days it's not there and then have to 475 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,120 come back a week, like a week later, you're like, oh, shoot, 476 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:56,400 let me go check this community guide resource or like a site 477 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,320 here to be like, is this the day where this is available? 478 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,040 That just seems annoying more than anything else. 479 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,880 Yeah, I don't get the point of this because it's not in like an 480 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,200 order that anyone could figure out on their own. 481 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,800 Like you have to go to a guide to know what's like if if if 482 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,200 you're going for a specific, I guess it looks like there's two 483 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,840 that are constant. You can always get the shadow 484 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,560 guards twisted Harvester and you can always get the chaotic 485 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,360 another date. But everything else, it's 486 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:34,280 literally I, I I can imagine if you aren't engaging in other 487 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,240 world. I mean, I guess you know, 488 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,240 Google's if if you can play World of Warcraft, you can 489 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,960 Google. But this just feels complicated 490 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,280 for the sake of complication. I'd like to quote Kurt Russell 491 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,000 in the 1980s classic Tango in Cash. 492 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:58,720 When him and his partner Cash were on trial for a crime they 493 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,000 did not commit and the judge asked if they had any 494 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,560 statements. Kurt Russell stood up and said 495 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,120 yeah, I'd like to make a statement. 496 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:13,200 This whole thing effing sucks. If you haven't seen Tango in 497 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,400 Cash please check it out. It's a great movie. 498 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,880 You broke that job. That'll make sense once you've 499 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,920 seen it. This is stupid. 500 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,480 Why do we have rotations on vendors Blizzard? 501 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,840 We didn't. Did we not learn this lesson in 502 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,040 BFA with the with the corruption vendor? 503 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,280 We do not need to be rotating vendors. 504 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,640 It's time getting for the sake of time, like time getting. 505 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,840 It's aren't you frustration injection for the sake of 506 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,200 frustration injection? I guess I don't know if you're 507 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,160 going to let us buy them, just let us buy them. 508 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,720 We don't need to have this on a rotation. 509 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,920 And what I'm really worried about on the PTR, it's a five 510 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,160 day rotation. What if on live it becomes a 511 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:57,440 five week rotation? So a five week rotation is, I 512 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,160 think, better in some ways because it hurts the people who 513 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,680 can't log in every day less, right? 514 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:13,440 It hurts the people who have like, oh, I have a commitment. 515 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,000 I've got like volleyball, I've got book club, I've got DND or 516 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,440 whatever. And the time that I would 517 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,920 normally play, I can't be on that. 518 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,160 And congratulations, you can't do it that day. 519 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,080 You have to come back next week while all of your contemporaries 520 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,680 get it. And now there's they've got 521 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,880 their quote UN quote Bis or or stronger item and you're this 522 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,560 that far behind. It's the worst kind of FOMO when 523 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,280 you when it hits like that, if you're away for the week that 524 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:47,360 that is available, then that is going to hurt you as well. 525 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,040 And it's like, how do you balance those two? 526 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:57,120 Well, I think maybe they just do it as like a hey, week 1. 527 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,200 These are going to be available Week 2, Both these and the 528 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,720 second tier are going to be available. 529 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,800 And then by week 5, everything's available at all times. 530 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,360 So even even if they're doing like a hey, we're only releasing 531 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,680 these a little bit at a time. Even if you show up late, you 532 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,880 can immediately get it again and you're not missing the boat 533 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,720 until the next time it rotates through. 534 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,280 Yeah, I, I, so first of all, I, I think a week long rotation, 535 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,360 especially with how many trinkets and the fact we're 536 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,040 talking 5 weeks, that would just hurt. 537 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,880 I, I would be pretty grumpy about that. 538 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,760 And that would also suck. If like, you know, if you aren't 539 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,320 tuned in and you don't realize it's going to rotate and you're 540 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,520 saving up money for, you know, one that's there week 1 and you 541 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,160 don't even know a rotation is going to happen. 542 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,960 And then all of a sudden it's the first day of Week 2 and you 543 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,960 are like hard locked and you didn't realize that was even on 544 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,400 the table. But I I just. 545 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,360 Don't. Yeah, rotation suck. 546 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,760 I just don't want a rotation period. 547 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,760 Yeah, it it, it just doesn't make sense. 548 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,040 It's not protecting, you know, from overpowering. 549 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:08,640 I mean, like it's just, it's just crappy and confusing for 550 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,440 the sake of being crappy and confusing. 551 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,560 I don't. I I wonder like again, like you 552 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,440 have to bend yourself backwards to find a rotation that doesn't 553 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,920 suck as much. And the only way I can think of 554 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,280 like a rotation is when they have an overlap. 555 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,520 So it's like, hey, instead of it just being available for one 556 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,800 day, it's available for three days. 557 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:37,800 And then on day 2 through today, today 4, right? 558 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,680 The next ones are rotating in and out. 559 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,800 And then so there's overlap between all of them and you have 560 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,080 three days to get it. And then because there's like, 561 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,280 because they'd like come back, maybe it's only missing for a 562 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,280 day, but at that point, what's the point of rotation? 563 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,680 It's so bizarre. Just this is literally like a 564 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,000 let's just have the determinist deterministic loot. 565 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,440 You've already got it locked behind you having to get to a 566 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,280 certain level on your delvers journey. 567 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,120 Anyways, that's the unlock. Hey, congratulations, you've 568 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,120 reached delve delvers journey Level 3 or 6 or something. 569 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,400 Now you can buy buy these trinkets. 570 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,840 It feels like hey, let's have the intern code something today 571 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,400 and they chose this. OK, I'll go to rotating vendor 572 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,480 for drinking. Hey guys, good work intern. 573 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,320 I can neither confirm nor deny that some intern was involved in 574 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,520 this, but I feel like the planning stages of such a system 575 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,960 maybe have a consensus in the team seems more impossible. 576 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,200 If you're the dev who coded this and you are most decidedly not 577 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,480 an intern, I want you to know that for legal reasons, that was 578 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,600 a joke. OK, you know networks cancel 579 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,080 joke joking parties now, so watch your. 580 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,320 Only, only ones that are not profitable, Manny, those are 581 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,920 purely financial decisions since our profits are still at the 582 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,239 same percentage they were when we started. 583 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,600 We're good. At this point, I would like to 584 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,239 thank our patrons. Thank you for everything that 585 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,960 you guys do. That's right, as long as we have 586 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,840 one patron, we get to stay on the air. 587 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,320 That said, 11.2, there's a lot of stuff in there. 588 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,639 As we as we are approaching the day, we're going to start 589 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,600 looking at some of these systems again. 590 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,560 Hot fixes are changing a lot of things. 591 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,360 I don't really think I want to spend that much time on the zoo. 592 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,880 I'm going to let you guys blindly enjoy the zoo because 593 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,199 apparently enjoying stuff blind is the the new hot thing. 594 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,760 Let's let's leave the zoo for for that. 595 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,880 Sorry, except for you, Lex. You're, you're a hippie, you're 596 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,280 ahead. You were doing it before it was 597 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,680 cool. Oh yeah, I grew up with so many 598 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,200 random animals. It was. 599 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,400 Oh no, I mean doing things blind. 600 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,200 Oh, doing things blind. Oh, I get it. 601 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,600 I get the joke. That's very funny, man. 602 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:12,840 That's a very funny. Joke for for legal reasons, I'm 603 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,640 going to edit that part out. Wait, do I don't think I wait? 604 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,680 Do I not get the joke? No. 605 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,800 I assume he's referencing your Guild doing braid bosses. 606 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,320 Me too, but then why is he asking this? 607 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,880 Out. Because you dead banded and it 608 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,520 didn't sell. Oh. 609 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,920 You'd like to send send hate mail and you can direct it to 610 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:40,120 Manny at 299 Queen St. West, Toronto, ON M5V 2Z5. 611 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,360 Whose address is that? Much. 612 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,400 Music. Much. 613 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,840 Music. Oh my, but. 614 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,200 The thing is, an address like that you could just give because 615 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,480 Americans would be like Zed. Yeah, man, you don't. 616 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,040 Yeah, What what made-up letter is that? 617 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,200 I don't. Know ZET? 618 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,640 Yeah, man, I'm surprised you don't have much music address 619 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,960 memorized. That's like a staple of my 620 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,360 child. How did you send letters into 621 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,400 Electric Circus? I walked past the building 622 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,960 frequently. I live in Toronto. 623 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,240 It's a beautiful, glorious city. You have to remember center of 624 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:19,120 the universe, but that's, that's enough. 625 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:27,840 Canadiana. I did want to also talk about 11 626 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:34,200 point 2.5 on the central distribution networks, which 627 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,440 means already we're seeing some internal testing and that is not 628 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,200 all. Just today we also got 11 point 629 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,800 2.7 detected on the internal testing. 630 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,320 So they are pushing ahead with this. 631 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,080 At this point, midnight seems so close. 632 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,480 Obviously we are at the final chapter and I don't want to get 633 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,600 too far ahead of it, but I do want to ask you guys as we're 634 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,240 heading into the final chapter of this expansion, have you 635 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,880 liked the faster cadence? Have you liked the two year 636 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,480 expansion sort of thing? Has this initial part of the 637 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:20,600 World Soul Saga hit for you guys in rating in Mythic Plus? 638 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,200 If you enjoyed that or didn't enjoy that in the new delves in 639 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,960 story, like what were the hits and what were the misses, I'm 640 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,760 going to throw this one, of course, to you, Lex first. 641 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:39,280 Yeah. I mean, I am like, is it? 642 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,400 The raids were great. I had a great time with the 643 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,560 raids. I don't rate at a high enough 644 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,800 level for any of the like major concerns to really hit me. 645 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,160 So I was just having fun with everything cadence wise. 646 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,120 I'm worried we had a like, I know I'm a broken record at this 647 00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:00,080 point, but we had a dev resign without another job lined up. 648 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,880 A previous streamer, someone who's worked in the video game 649 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,760 industry his whole life, could only handle working at World of 650 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,120 Warcraft for four years before resigning without a job lined 651 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,920 up. That is that scares me and that 652 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,680 makes me concerned we're going to have brain drain because I 653 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,080 mean, like, maybe it was just a bad fit for him. 654 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,240 Best of luck to him or like wish him all the best. 655 00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:22,520 He did incredible things for the game. 656 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,400 This Scarizard is the dev's name if I remember correctly. 657 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,560 Yeah, but I'm I'm worried man. I feel like the content has been 658 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,040 like we frequently get patches that we're like, what were we 659 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,560 even doing here or or choices. It felt a little bit rushed. 660 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:41,400 I'm worried about what this is going to do to the team, 661 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,920 especially since layoffs are continuing onward. 662 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,040 And I will say again, I would rather have a really slow 663 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,880 release cycle with like a really solid team who loves their job, 664 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,520 who I'm I'm proud to to play this game and buy into it. 665 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,760 Then, you know, three years down the line we have just a, you 666 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,000 know, oh Jesus Christ, we got another one coming. 667 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,160 I don't know. It's the freaking, it's the 668 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,320 trolls. I don't like we got to do 669 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,440 something because we set this cadence and we have to stick to 670 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,120 it. And I feel like my fears are 671 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,120 like, slowly being more and more realized. 672 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,800 But I'm also insane and I'm an insane labour girlie who is 673 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,480 stressed about, you know, will always panic on behalf of the 674 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,640 worker, even if the worker isn't telling you to panic on their 675 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,880 behalf. So like, I, yeah, it's been fun 676 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,600 to have new content all the time. 677 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,240 You know, there's always something to do. 678 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,080 It hasn't. Like it it, I was scared it 679 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,640 would feel overwhelming. And I'd feel like I was always 680 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,320 kind of being pushed to do things and it didn't. 681 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,280 They put in a lot of like story content or content you can kind 682 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,360 of, you know, choose not to engage with. 683 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,800 And they're like experimenting with cool stuff, which is fun. 684 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,280 So I mean, I just, I just don't want us to end up with no team 685 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,360 because everyone burned out. That's my fear. 686 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,480 Yeah, yeah. I mean, this wasn't exactly 687 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,320 where I wanted this conversation. 688 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,040 I planned this for this. No, no, this wasn't where I 689 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,520 planned for this conversation to to go, but it is definitely 690 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:05,840 something I would want to talk about. 691 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,440 So thank you for for bringing that up. 692 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,840 Yeah, Patrick Skarsard Scarborough, he worked with 693 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,160 Blizzard for like 4 years, did a lot for the game. 694 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,600 He is one of Sean's favorite developers, if not only for 695 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:27,000 creating the Dinar system that Sean loves those those things, 696 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:35,680 but like also being a big push for the new unified upgrade 697 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,800 system that we have in Pve. That was another thing that he 698 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,800 had helped work on. Obviously, these things are team 699 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,320 efforts and the team came together to help sculpt that, 700 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,160 but that's things that he had his fingerprints on. 701 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:55,600 He had taken a leave of absence last year because of like stress 702 00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:00,160 and wanting to like get a bit of a reset and then I guess could 703 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:06,760 could not continue when he came back deciding to yet and and his 704 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,600 tenure at Blizzards after like you said, four years. 705 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:21,720 So it is it is upsetting. I can not in my mind think that 706 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:29,960 the series of layoffs and seeing that go through friends of 707 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:36,280 friends and Co workers could not like have made it any easier and 708 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,840 probably contributed to that. I know there was a follow up 709 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,000 post where people where people say, oh, it's because of the 710 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,840 backlash about this system or that system. 711 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,040 I forget which systems they were they were talking about. 712 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,160 But he, he responded, said, no, no, it's not about that. 713 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:58,240 And yeah, the fact that he's saying it's burnout is is it's 714 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:01,800 something that we should be concerned with because we want 715 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,120 this. We want like great people who 716 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,960 are passionate about this game to be building this game. 717 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:17,160 And you cannot say that Scarzard was not a passionate developer 718 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:22,760 and had put a lot of love and into crafting things. 719 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,360 And the game is going to be less without without him. 720 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,560 John, I'm going to pass it to you to give a few closing words 721 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,360 and then maybe we'll go back towards 11. 722 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,600 Sorry, rather where you feel like this expansion is landing 723 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,280 I. Don't want to talk about 724 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,000 Warcraft at all in this moment. I want to talk about another 725 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,560 franchise that I had a lot of love for and was actually the 726 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,840 first One of the games in that franchise is the first game I 727 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,840 ever platinum trophied on PlayStation and that's 728 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,320 Assassin's Creed. Assassin's Creed one came out to 729 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,040 slightly mixed reviews. It was people who liked it 730 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,160 really, really liked it. It was a it was a Polish game 731 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,200 was a lot of fun. It was a bit repetitive and 732 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:15,040 there was some, it wasn't like perfect, but it was, it was a 733 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,160 real basis of the game. And then time went by and 734 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,280 Assassin's Creed 2 came out and it was gangbusters and it they 735 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,160 fixed all the mistakes and all the issues people have with 736 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,360 Assassin's Creed One. They came out with his new main 737 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,200 character named Ezio and it was just a beautiful game. 738 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,600 First game ever, Platinum. And then they released again 739 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,280 about the same length of time after Assassin's Creed 1 to 2, 740 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:42,280 they did Assassin's Creed 2. So Brotherhood was the second 741 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,440 one. It was it was like a sub sect of 742 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,800 the second game, Another amazing thing, but that also made a lot 743 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,160 of my and then they started to make them every year. 744 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,760 Then we got Assassin's Creed 3 Revelations. 745 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,960 Actually, I think it was Assassin's Creed 2, Assassin's 746 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,840 Creed 2. I think there's one in between 747 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,320 two and and and Assassin's Creed 2 Brotherhood. 748 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,680 I think there's one in between and then Assassin's Creed 3 749 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,840 Revelations and then Assassin's Creed Black Flag and the quality 750 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:17,120 and the storytelling and the games just fell off a Cliff and 751 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,400 I stopped playing them. The developers got burnt out 752 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,520 from it. It was not making them as much 753 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,440 money and then they had to do like a hard reboot. 754 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,200 I love the World of Warcraft. This. 755 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,000 I mean, obviously, it literally pays my bills. 756 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:38,000 I am super, super concerned that shifting to an 18 month locked 757 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,440 in expansion cycle is not only going to hurt the devs, but it's 758 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,760 going to hurt the quality of the game. 759 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,720 And everybody can point to the fact that Chris Madison is back 760 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,600 as much as they want and say Green Jesus is going to save us. 761 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,720 But the reality is 18 months is 18 months and you can only get 762 00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:58,720 so much work done in that window and you can only be so creative. 763 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:07,240 I really, really hope that I'm wrong, but even more so, I hope 764 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:11,080 that somebody who makes the financial decision says, hey, 765 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,200 you know what, 2 years is fine. Just give him two years. 766 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,720 You know what I mean? They don't have to let and let 767 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:20,840 the patches instead of six months, let the patches be 8 768 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,880 months. And I realize that players are 769 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,120 going to say, Oh no, that doesn't do it for me. 770 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,720 Well, throw a throw a collector's bounty on the in the 771 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:31,480 last two months of every patch, everybody and their dog has been 772 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,360 glazing Warcraft since collector's bounty came in over 773 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,080 how great this is. The old world is rejuvenated. 774 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,480 It's amazing. So that gives you a, a little 775 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,880 bit of a filler, a little bit of buffer. 776 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,320 I, I just, I'm really worried. I, I think it's too fast and as 777 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,360 a, as a player, as somebody like, I can't imagine how 778 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,120 normies do this. I, my literal job is to play 779 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,120 Warcraft. I play this game all day long 780 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,200 and I feel like it's too fast and I feel like there's no 781 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,560 break. Like when do I take a month and 782 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,840 play Expedition 33? When does that happen? 783 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,760 Because I don't know when that happens in an 18 month patch 784 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,760 cycle. And I'd like to go back and play 785 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,160 Black Flag because I heard that was a good Assassin's Creed. 786 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,840 Yeah. I don't know. 787 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,760 If I how about people war within it has been passable. 788 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,040 I don't know if either of you read the book play nice, the 789 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,240 Jason Schreyer look at Blizzard and to be sure I haven't like 790 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:32,480 fact checked anything I don't I only know what Jason Schreyer 791 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,320 wrote in this book. But one reason I'm a little bit 792 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,720 scared is because basically everything that Blizzard was 793 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:42,720 holding really firm against Activision and Activision and 794 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:45,440 Bobby Kodak were pushing to Blizzard to do, and Blizzard was 795 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,600 able to protect themselves against it kind of just happened 796 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,720 when they got bought up by Microsoft. 797 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,880 And that's one reason why I'm so stressed is I'm like, oh, we 798 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,000 knew this was going to be nasty. And like I love to say on this 799 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,480 podcast, the reason the patches were slow before was not because 800 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,040 old doves wanted to go, you know, throw pizza parties 801 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,440 instead of do work. Blizzard was famously crunchy 802 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,760 before and I just, yeah, I, I'm, I'm just worried. 803 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:13,240 I just want them, I, I want the game to stay good. 804 00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:16,640 And also I want the humans who develop the game to stay good. 805 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:22,000 OK, so I'm going to, I'm going to say this here, but I I'm 806 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,080 going to elaborate it on it later. 807 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,160 He's going to delete it after and deny that he said it. 808 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,600 No, I, I'm going to say this here, but I'm going to elaborate 809 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,120 more later. I just feel like we're we're 810 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,560 hitting near the end of the episode. 811 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:41,040 So let's let's talk about this. I feel like with the war within, 812 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,120 and this is also being true in Dragonflight, they have been 813 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:51,360 doing a lot of things, throwing a lot of things at players, but 814 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,640 there has been very little meat to it. 815 00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:01,960 We have been getting events like the Nightfall thing, which is 816 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,880 just paper thin grind, and I don't want to just put this on 817 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,120 the War Within or the return of Chris Metzen or whatever. 818 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:16,080 We've also seen that in Dragonflight with, hey, we're 819 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,040 going to do the soup. This one and soup was great. 820 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,840 I loved soup. Soup was great, but it was 821 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,640 pretty thin. And they put in a bunch of thin 822 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,040 small activities to be like, OK, waste your time with this. 823 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,800 And then people would get bored of it. 824 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:33,520 Patch would come in and we do the chromy time ways, shattered 825 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,840 time ways thing. And that was the thin, thin 826 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,360 little event that really didn't go anywhere. 827 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:43,280 And so they've been doing this sort of stuff because they want 828 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,440 people to be able to skip it if they so choose. 829 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,160 And they don't want us to have mandatory content. 830 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,280 Because it could have easily have been that whatever quick 831 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:02,240 little content we had we have coming in 11.2 could also have a 832 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:07,160 very real grind to upgrade your cloak Ala Cata. 833 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,240 Sorry, not Cata. No, this wouldn't actually have 834 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:20,160 been in in BFA when we were had our last legendary cloak and we 835 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,640 were going through visions over and over and over again to 836 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,920 upgrade the cloak that we could have easily had the exact same 837 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,400 thing in this. And the question becomes like, 838 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:36,120 what's the healthy balance? Because I do want to have things 839 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,840 to do. I do want that stuff to be 840 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,440 somewhat meaningful, but I don't want to feel forced to do it. 841 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,040 If I were to throw out a solution, it'd be just add story 842 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,080 to it. We have these wonderful local 843 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,480 stories that at the beginning of the war within everybody was 844 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,800 losing their minds over being like, man, that's that story 845 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,840 made me cry. That was awesome. 846 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,160 I'd like to see that. We had the story that came in 847 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:16,560 with the with 11 point 1.7 and the Arathi Highlands and people 848 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,520 had their complaints. I've had my complaints about it, 849 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,680 but it was engaging for a little bit. 850 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,560 And I think that if we had more of that along with the systems, 851 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,960 the entire thing would be like, OK, engage in the system, get 852 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,480 these cools cosmetics and appreciate this story. 853 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:40,200 Something that Final Fantasy 14 as much as it is currently 854 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:45,800 lagging right now, is that it has big story to go through. 855 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,400 And people are like, oh, did you experience this story? 856 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,640 And like, so much of the community is like, hey, get 857 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,880 through this moment and play through this and don't skip 858 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,280 ahead. Yeah, yeah, we'll, we'll play 859 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,920 soon. But you've got to experience 860 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,400 this story. And I think that can be a 861 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:04,520 rewarding thing for some people. I look back at past expansions 862 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:11,800 and I think about characters like Zappy Boy, characters that 863 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,880 were relatively small, but like captured the entire community, 864 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,000 captured the entire audience, and people loved finding out 865 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,400 what was happening with the next. 866 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,800 And I don't see the same sort of payoff in the characters that 867 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,400 they've introduced now. Right. 868 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:35,080 Like I have hopes for fair in and I think that the cheese 869 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,760 going to be built into midnight or whenever they pay off on the 870 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,160 Arathi Empire. There's going to be more with 871 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,600 that. But I also had hopes for Stoney, 872 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,200 Tony and in Dragonflight. I also had hopes for any of the 873 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:56,040 dragon aspects in Dragonflight and I don't want them to be 874 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,760 like, OK, Andy one's got his mojo again and then forget about 875 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,200 him for another 20 years while we go randomly deal with 876 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,440 goblins. What? 877 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:13,640 So maybe the lore can can help with that, but at the same time, 878 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,480 just just do something that makes me like eager to do to 879 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,920 like work through on this and happy to get this stuff done. 880 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,480 Because even if something as simple as increasing drop rates 881 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,960 by 5% and doubling the trans mock has hit people because it's 882 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,520 like I can accomplish something. I can get that trans mock. 883 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,360 I can get those mounts that I've been searching for and that 884 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,200 that's what I really want. Just like make it make it 885 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:45,800 rewarding again. Lex, you've been nodding your 886 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,480 head a lot. Sean, you got anything to add? 887 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,400 I don't want to have to do chores. 888 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,160 Manny, you lost. Me at chores. 889 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,880 Chores. I like that I don't have to do 890 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,160 that stuff. I know I can do the stuff I 891 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,080 want, but I don't want to have to do stuff. 892 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,360 That's all. I like everything else you say. 893 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:09,640 I. Just don't want them to make it. 894 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,560 We do the story there, so we put the story. 895 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,800 There. No, because I like the story. 896 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,520 I don't want to. Have to do it for story. 897 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,160 Oh well. OK, do quests for. 898 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,400 Story. Or read a nice little book or 899 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,000 get a little audio drama. Fun little audio drama will be 900 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,440 nice. I just I'm just worried the fast 901 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,000 that's going to hear this and I'm going to be doing Soup for 902 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,120 Sparks. But you don't. 903 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,280 I mean. With a cap wide progression like 904 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,560 a little bit of effort that is. Once on your account, swear to 905 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,080 God I will drive over to 290. 9 Queen St. 906 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,080 West and I will give you a well, the other the. 907 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,400 Other option. Not to make this whole 908 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,680 conversation but is just to give overlapping rewards and cap them 909 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,880 right? Like make it so you get the 910 00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,280 same, you know, like you can get things out of multiple different 911 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,200 directions and so it's up to you which direction you want to go. 912 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,200 You can get the same thing. You can only get X number of 913 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,320 things though. So you know, you're, it's not an 914 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,160 eternal grind. It's just, oh, I don't really 915 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,000 feel like doing soup. So instead I'm going to go do. 916 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,320 My mythic plus and I'll get the same stuff and it's going to cap 917 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,920 at a certain point or I don't feel like doing mythic plus I'm 918 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,680 going to go do soup. I I think there's an. 919 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:27,880 Entire conversation about having deterministic drops, similar to 920 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:34,240 the dinar system where you can get up to heroic level in a very 921 00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:36,280 deterministic way. And then when you go beyond 922 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:41,280 that, the drops become back to the back to an RNG system where 923 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,760 it's like, now to get the best of the best you have to focus on 924 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,120 where that drops. But that's a lot of theory 925 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,040 crafting. There's a lot of things there. 926 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,520 Maybe that's a conversation for another day. 927 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,240 Do you guys have any last things that you want to say this? 928 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,320 Check with Lex first. I love this game. 929 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,200 It's really fun and I love the people that I get to play with 930 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,520 and it's a good time, Yeah, and I. 931 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,240 Think, I think that with housing that you guys were talking about 932 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,680 last week, we're going to see a lot of things that don't require 933 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,960 much of A grind that are just community driven and get and let 934 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,800 you play with your friends without having to like line 20 935 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,960 of them up in a row to go beat their head against the boss. 936 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,960 And for the people who enjoyed that, Sean, do you have anything 937 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,520 to say? Yeah, I am grateful for the War 938 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,760 Within. It's been a good expansion it I 939 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,920 think I've grown as a player and as a Guild member, but more 940 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,600 importantly it brought me here for Azeroth and I'm grateful 941 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,080 that War Within gave me two great friends, Johnny and 942 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:49,960 Xander. Maybe the failed War Within was 943 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:50,840 the war. Within. 944 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:58,640 Within war within, within. I I I still remember Sean 945 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,640 complaining about the wait within. 946 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,120 But until next week guys, may all your hits be grits.