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Yeah, the news delivery from 
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casserole of nonsense. 
It's been so scattered and 

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difficult to track things down. 
There's live footage like 

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fireside chats on stage that 
just don't exist anymore. 

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They were live streamed and the 
Vods are gone and you can't find

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them. 
It's just wild. 

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I don't understand. 
Maybe. 

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Anyway, I was going to say 
something snarky about layoffs. 

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I'm not going to do that. 
It's just been very difficult to

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get news from games.com For 
Lauderon. 

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For the Karen tour. 
For Pandaria. 

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For calendar to. 
The burning region for Gilnaeus,

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but has not died for the Lich 
King, for the Cindori. 

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For the Alliance for. 
The Horn for Azeroth. 

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Hello and welcome back to 
another episode of For Azeroth. 

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I am one of your hosts, Manny, 
AKA the true villain. 

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Manny and I am joined by both 
Lex and Sean. 

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Hello Lex, how are you and how's
the World of Warcraft been 

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treating you this week? 
It has been treating me well. 

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So we are diving into heroic 
with my raid team tomorrow. 

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So I'm very, very excited and 
I'm doing some keys, pretty low 

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level keys, but I am getting 
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tanking. 
And I'm realizing that I have a 

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lot more fun when I take things 
very slowly and I stay kind of 

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low and mostly focus on having a
good time and not stressing out 

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too much. 
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also, you know, I get the the 
new sport of trying to read fast

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enough that I can get all of the
midnight information. 

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Oh yeah, yeah, it has been a 
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like not only the amount of info
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has been coming from. 
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a recap of some of the stuff. 
But even still, we can't do it 

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justice if we try and cover it 
all in this one episode. 

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So bringing in from the expert 
analysis of race World First, we

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have Sean. 
Hello Sean, and welcome back to 

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Regular Life. 
Hey Manny, did you know that 

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there's a world outside of my 
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Yeah, you want to get it first, 
that's what the race. 

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Yeah, whole. 
World out there, Yeah, it's good

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to be back. 
Race the world first 12 days. 

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I had the second most casting 
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in that 12 days. 
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about Warcraft and the same 
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But we had fun and the race is 
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Probably the most exciting race 
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And the ending was like 
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It was crazy. 
Disney hasn't been couldn't 

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write a movie this good. 
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about that because that was 
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John, tell us what in the world 
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race, the world first? 
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North America and EU and Liquid 
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on the last boss, and Method was
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Liquid and Echo had both had sub
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best bowl. 
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because you get to get up first 
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they very quickly had a sub 5% 
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And then it was like everybody 
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boss is dying today. 
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can't go to bed until his boss 
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conceding defeat. 
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up, started doing the same 
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They're blasting. 
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really good progress on 
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other two teams that we we 
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really competing for first, but 
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it's like literally pull for 
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for Liquid, new bad. 
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spot flip back and forth between
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stretch. 
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killing this boss tonight. 
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morning and maybe try and snake 
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kill. 
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we can't go to bed. 
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where they were wiping really 
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good pulls. 
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.58% wipe, Then the very next 
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they had had one player who was 
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would have been the kill liquid.
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back-to-back wipes in P1. 
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back-to-back P1 wipes and then 
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people are like, you're going on
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so close. 
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I can't believe you're going to 
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Sorry, I had that wrong. 
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came back from the lunch break, 
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and then after that, the very 
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Europe, Echo suddenly just 
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Liquid pulls with the wind, but 
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peat. 
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Warcraft that hasn't been done 
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first ever full sweep of an 
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Liquid took world first in all 
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expansion the only so an 
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Pandaria that paragon did take 
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man raids. 
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first sweep, but those those 
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the, the, you know that the top.
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the kill afterwards for about 
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the next morning and when they 
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10% pulls. 
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Echo did secure the 2nd place 
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they woke up on Sunday and then 
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is about the time that North 
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from starting a day early. 
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SCO or any of the people that 
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top, any of the Raiders, they're
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If a boss takes some more poles,
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tougher, that stuff balances 
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The the the head start isn't a 
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competition on the planet we're 
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an impact. 
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want to see a global release for
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just feel like these teams are 
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EU teams are perpetually having 
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I have never actually watched. 
No, for like a a global release,

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like would you think that a 
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difference maker or are you like
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and the head guys say it then? 
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watched the race world first, so
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the flip side of that is that 
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first have to spend all of this 
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come in for 24 hours early, the 
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wipe out, right? 
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whatever, sick. 
We know this. 

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We learned the Strat because we 
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doing. 
Easy peasy lemon squeezy. 

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We're moving forward. 
We're going through it and I 

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say, I mean like also, I, I 
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is that like things like sleep 
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back together. 
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have a global release. 
I don't know that it would 

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change anything. 
I literally and again, I want to

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I want to asterisk because as 
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and you're typing blacks, you 
idiot or Sean, you're idiot. 

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I'm pro global release. 
I think that it's it's silly 

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that they don't release at the 
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I do think it's we were talking,
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about how that puts a huge 
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China, yeah, I was trying to 
remember if that was what the 

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region was called. 
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should be a global release. 
I really don't understand why 

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it's not other than like, so you
only release like you put one 

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day. 
I think that's silly. 

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I think you it's it's a server. 
You flip a switch, have all of 

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your teams globally flip a 
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That doesn't seem hard to me 
because I also know coding and I

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understand how servers work. 
All of these are things that I 

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really deeply understand. 
So yeah, it's it's easy. 

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Just whoop, you're done. 
They have them for classic. 

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Classic Wow has global releases 
of the right, so. 

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Yeah, I I mean. 
Technology doesn't exist. 

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Yeah, yeah, I, I, I think it 
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I think it's silly. 
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doesn't make a difference, then 
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complaining about it. 
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So I am not an engineer, but 
having a having the servers of 

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classic go live at the same 
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predominantly code that has been
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of time and has had way longer 
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for untested bosses and so forth
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which we brought up the last 
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that Final Fantasy goes down for
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that so that they make sure that
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have the time to test it before 
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I think that yeah, like as long 
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Blizzard, the servers have been 
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Give me a month free. 
I think that that would be OK. 

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I've obviously the issue for it 
would be like, what time does it

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go live? 
Are we doing it in the middle of

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the work day for EU or NA or 
what time does that work out to 

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Australia or if they do it in 
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as well, Chinese servers being 
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Korean servers and Southeast 
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different region of the of 
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All of those are are things that
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I just think that it is a matter
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supporting the race to world 
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There's always going to be where
Lex, you were saying like, oh, 

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these earlier bosses, they're 
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other's notes. 
And it's not until they go dark 

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that like really it is like 
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There's also the fact that like 
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bosses first are doing the quote
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there's a question of like, when
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Are you waiting for echo to 
conclude it's rate day method to

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conclude it's rate day liquid to
conclude their array day or go 

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on lunch break to then push 
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Because that's the next hurdle 
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So when exactly the the servers 
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opens up or, or different 
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use the farm gear to go into 
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the raid going live. 
Both of those are now a factor 

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as well, so it's definitely a 
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Even if you don't take the 
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server worldwide. 
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synchronous times, with the same
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first takes down any servers, 
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we're then it's a different team
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I'm aware. 
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Final Fantasy, first of all, I, 
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of cool if servers were down for
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Like you had like kind of this 
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sudden it goes live and you all 
go live together and everyone's 

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excited and social media is 
blowing up and it's the coolest 

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thing that's ever happened. 
I think that be cool. 

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That said, as somebody who 
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ton, the one thing that I've 
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time of playing Final Fantasy is
that the Final Fantasy team does

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not care about player 
experience. 

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By which I mean like all of the 
little quality of life things. 

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The fact that the Blizzard store
is easy to navigate if you've 

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never navigated the Final 
Fantasy Mughal store. 

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Every time I've had to buy 
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throw my computer out the 
window. 

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And then once when I was getting
an expansion, literally like it 

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wasn't, I didn't remember that I
purchased on Steam instead of 

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purchase directly through Final 
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And so I bought the wrong code, 
which is insane. 

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And I emailed their team and I 
was like hey I bought the wrong 

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code can you guys just like 
refund it so I can buy the other

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one? 
It's unused. 

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And they were like no buy 2 
little things like that. 

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I just, I'm not surprised. 
The Final Fantasy's team is 

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like, oh, it would be much 
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down servers for a couple days. 
So we're going to shut down 

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servers for a couple days, which
is like, good for them. 

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They deserve a good time. 
That's my little Final Fantasy 

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right now. 
OK. 

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I get. 
I think I'll give Sean the last 

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word on this and then maybe 
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about midnight stuff. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, I don't really have a 
last word. 

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I don't I don't buy that it's a 
logistical issue. 

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They do expansion launches 
globally even though the code is

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older for a classic. 
Like of those rains still going 

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live at the same time. 
Seasonal discovery rains went 

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live at the same time. 
They're not old, they're new. 

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Yeah, it's a choice they make. 
It's not it's not due to 

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limitations, I don't think. 
Yeah, all of that stuff goes 

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live at the same time. 
And the only if and they don't 

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have to worry about China 
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actually do the China stuff. 
It's all net ease. 

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And there's actually some talk 
of China after this race moving 

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their reset day ahead of day to 
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Tuesday here, so that they are 
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they have a more fair shot 
because right now they currently

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reset on Thursday. 
I was going to say, that's super

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funny because isn't Nettie's the
one that's running the whole 

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bounty? 
And like, they could just be 

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like, Oh yeah, the bounty's 
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It's so sad that. 
You just can't. 

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Compete. 
Oh, shoot, yeah, it's pretty 

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funny stuff. 
We'll see though. 

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What happens. 
I mean, like I said, the the 

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people actually doing the race, 
you know, every sound bite you 

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get of them is them saying it 
doesn't matter. 

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But if I just lost a race, I 
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bad loser. 
And if I just want to race 

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because of head start, I also 
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won the race because of head 
start. 

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So I would also probably say it 
doesn't matter. 

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OK, but it's a head start no 
matter how you look at. 

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But like the EU teams that have 
won in the past, we have seen 

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multiple wins from Echo, which 
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Back in their day, we're getting
getting wins that even when they

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won there weren't like, hey, we 
did it Despite that, like 16 

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hours head start, yada yada. 
Yeah, well, no, they just played

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so much better than the North 
American teams. 

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Your European players, your 
Europe has a larger player base 

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and just therefore, because of 
that, they have a larger pool of

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skilled players to pull from. 
So that's why and North America 

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just didn't have any competition
until liquid really came along. 

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I guess death and taxes was 
pretty good back in like, oh, if

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you go back way way. 
But since we're I'm I'm talking 

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like in the modern day of the 
race, since it was started, 

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started being streamed in in old
year and I'm certain there's a 

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BDGG fan listening who will come
in and type BDGG, but they never

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really had a chance to compete 
against method at what time. 

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Day is like pieces. 
Or does that kill a part of it? 

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Yeah, pieces would be in there 
and they pieces won a world 

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first on who not so they got on,
but they're a European as well. 

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And yeah, I mean for being 
honest, like 40% of Team Liquid 

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played from the Netherlands 
because they're all European 

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also. 
So I'm not I'm not standing 

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North American players. 
I'm just saying there is a large

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pool of exceptionally skilled 
European players and they're all

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time zones are closer, so it's 
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Whereas North American players, 
you're on East Coast, you're in 

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Central, you're on West Coast. 
It's harder to amalgamate those 

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great, great players in A1 
Guild. 

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Liquid has done a really good 
job of recruiting and putting 

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your team together. 
They absolutely deserve the win.

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I'm not trying to take that away
from them, but I think even they

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would want to see, you know, a 
race happen at the same time. 

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And just to address the, you 
know, the Oh well, they copy 

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strats. 
Every one of those guilds 

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already has their strats from 
the PTR. 

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I interviewed Mary's a couple of
months ago, maybe a year ago 

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now. 
And I asked him flat out like, 

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how much do you copy? 
And he said, we already have our

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strats for these bosses before 
you pull them. 

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We will see what the other teams
do. 

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And if something like is 
exceptionally good, they'll 

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they'll lift it. 
And that happened. 

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This race method went on on 
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Weaver method had a a Strat that
used rooting of the. 

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They would root one set of the 
small ads and both the other 

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team and they got there later 
and when the other team saw what

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they were doing afterwards, they
started copying it. 

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Mary said like he was like, it's
we're not It's like, you know, 

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some of the fans are like, oh, 
they don't even know. 

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They wait till liquid tells them
what to do is we're not going in

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there with no plan to take notes
on liquid. 

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They already and these early 
bosses, they already they've 

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already killed them on PTR. 
So they already have strats that

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work. 
It's the later bosses and then 

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there's not usually an advantage
because whoever gets their first

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goes dark, who like every 
whatever team gets their first 

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goes dark. 
So yeah, I don't think I was. 

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Saying mostly it's like it's 
breakthroughs. 

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It's like, Oh my goodness, they 
did this switch and suddenly 

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like they're getting to phase 
three-way later. 

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And then the other teams are 
like, OK, like we adopt that. 

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I don't think that, yeah, any of
these teams are going in blind 

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or, or saying like, guys don't 
look at the Dojo, like we're not

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going to look at the dungeon 
journal to do it. 

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So there, there's that. 
But. 

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I have a hard time talking to 
North Americans about it because

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I find I just have a hard time 
talking to North Americans 

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sometimes. 
It's just a different cultural 

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mentality on this side of the 
Atlantic than there is in 

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Europe. 
I find Lex is either frozen or 

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or abhorred that I Oh Billy, it 
looks like she's. 

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Tired of your North American 
smack? 

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And she decided. 
And I'm North American, proudly 

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Canadian. 
I just. 

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I don't know. 
Yeah, you're so Far East coast 

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you might get adopted by. 
Is that an option? 

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Could I get an EU membership by 
being Will? 

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Allow people to to vote on that 
in the Discord. 

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But while we're waiting for Lex,
let's dive into some of this 

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midnight stuff. 
We again have a lot of 

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information go coming out. 
So we're going to only cover 

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some of the details this week. 
We will follow up and do and 

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talk about some of the some of 
the other things. 

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One of the the things that got 
fleshed out a lot more after 

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last episode. 
We're actually like how you can 

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play the new races and the new 
combinations and of course the 

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new class. 
So let's talk about that. 

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One of the big things, of 
course, is the hair in our race.

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That is something that ever 
since The War Within began, 

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there has been a lot of people 
saying like, Oh yeah, next 

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playable. 
This is the playable race, why 

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don't we have it already? 
And Blizzard has now delivered. 

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So these are going to be much 
like our Earthen friends where 

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we will play through the 
campaign and that will unlock 

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them because they were going to 
their homeland and we have to 

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convince them to join the war. 
And of course, once you get to 

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do that, hey, they're willing to
sign up with our faction. 

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So there it is. 
As we said last week, they are 

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able to be warriors, shamans, 
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priests, warlocks, and mages. 
That means that the only classes

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that they are missing, of 
course, are death Knights, 

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paladins, evokers and demon 
hunters, which all sort of makes

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sense. 
I actually, I know monks, one of

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those Evergreen classes that 
everybody gets, but I think they

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could have skipped monk and it 
would have been a thing. 

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Like. 
I think that would have been 

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like a That's cool. 
Yeah. 

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Because Heronar and this entire 
world saga is being built out, a

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lot of the customizations are 
actually in the files for the 

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war within and some community 
sites have like dug into that to

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show customizations to show what
could be heritage armour and all

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of that. 
This is a these are pretty cool 

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customizations. 
They are of course, the what are

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we calling them? 
The missing link between trolls 

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and and else. 
Yeah, I guess so. 

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They're not quite troll, not 
quite elf. 

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They can have tusks, but they 
also wear shoes. 

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But I think they have the option
to not wear shoes as well. 

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So yeah, they're like, yeah, a 
hybrid. 

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Yeah, they can be just like the 
Urban Horde or Alliance. 

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So you can. 
So regardless of your faction, 

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you'll be able to play these. 
That's something that's going to

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be good before we get here in 
our before we even get into 

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midnight Void Elf Demon hunters 
are going to be available. 

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Supposedly with patch 11 point 
2.7 you'll be able to unlock 

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them now. 
It said that it's available 

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there, but we also saw an 
interview that said that it is 

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during the pre patch, which 
would be the 12 point O. 

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I'm more likely to believe pre 
patch but if they get it to us 

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sooner I'd be happier for that. 
Me as well, I just want to go 

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back to Heron here for a second.
We because we got confirmation 

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on what their ratios are. 
There was only one person in an 

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interview that asked all of the 
interviews they had with the 

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developers. 
A single person asked what the 

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ratios were. 
They have one that is an active 

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ability that will either root 
enemies or it will heal allies. 

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So it's a root or heel. 
And then they also get a fast 

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travel using the world tree 
roots. 

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So very similar to the mole 
machines from dark iron dwarves.

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So those are two of their their 
ratios that are coming which the

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rooting and like the the extra 
root and the heel could be 

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really nice, especially since 
they can be druids. 

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I'm not super keen on the fast 
travel because those tend to be 

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gimmicky things that they add on
one expansion for a couple of 

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zones and then get fallen off to
the wayside. 

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Much like mole machines, which 
in my opinion should have had 

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some spots in Undermine or Beeps
or anywhere underground, you 

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know. 
But yeah, I think I want to know

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land. 
There is a mole machine in Ole 

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land. 
I don't know how that works 

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contextually. 
But OK. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
The wonderful thing is those 

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mole machines. 
I just wanted to go make sure we

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covered that off on Arity. 
Yeah, no, I'm glad I I missed 

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that. 
And again, there's a lot of 

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information that is out there. 
I, I always don't think that the

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healing racials will ever be 
that good because they always 

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water them down so that they're 
never good. 

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The change that they did with 
the Drni healing, just in my 

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mind, that was a nail in the 
coffin. 

447
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,880
Just give me like a little bit 
of damage. 

448
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,640
I guess the utility of the roots
is it might be something, but 

449
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,640
how often does that matter in a 
raid? 

450
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,040
So I'm basically looking at that
for Mythic Plus. 

451
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,280
Yeah, OK. 
But as you said, going back to 

452
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:36,480
demon Demon Hunter, the void elf
that's going to be available as 

453
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:42,040
a short storyline that you'll be
able to do so that will allow 

454
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,400
you access to demon hunters as a
void elf. 

455
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:50,840
The new spec are devourer spec 
that's going to be available 

456
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,240
without a storyline. 
If you are a Demon Hunter 

457
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,920
already, you don't have to 
suddenly be like, OK, now I've 

458
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,640
got to learn this new thing. 
And that is looking pretty, 

459
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,440
pretty cool. 
Like have you seen the little 

460
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,680
video where they did a short 
showing is showing these 

461
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,720
abilities? 
Yeah, yeah, I have. 

462
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,280
I think it'll be neat. 
I guess it's a new spec, so it's

463
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,200
going to be broken and 
overpowered. 

464
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,320
Will it be fun? 
Well, everybody likes when their

465
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,440
damage numbers are high. 
Just ask the right paladins. 

466
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,320
So yeah, I don't know. 
It doesn't speak to me. 

467
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:36,800
I'm I'm intermediate ranged 
spellcaster doesn't really speak

468
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:43,640
to me. 
I I'm interested because again, 

469
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,200
this is something that we had 
speculated oh, what happens when

470
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:53,880
they add in a new spec? 
Now we know they have broken 

471
00:26:53,880 --> 00:27:00,160
apart the hero talents so we 
have Vengeance which will no 

472
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,200
longer have access to Felsgard. 
Felsgard is now actually shared 

473
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:09,880
between Havoc and the the new 
spec Devourer and has been 

474
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,400
renamed Scarred because 
Devourers don't use Fel. 

475
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,800
So now it is Scarred and then 
Devourer will share a new talent

476
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:25,520
hero talentry called Annihilator
with vengeance Demon Hunter and 

477
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,160
vengeance Demon Hunter and 
devourer. 

478
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,640
This new annihilator speck is 
themed around bringing down 

479
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,280
meteors or comments on a down 
onto your enemies. 

480
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:43,160
And that I think seems really 
cool for vengeance and I and I 

481
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,480
guess for devourer, I get I'm 
kind of with you that this 

482
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,840
devour spec isn't really 
speaking to me, but like I do 

483
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,080
love vengeance and I do think 
that vengeance bringing down 

484
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,240
like an entire meteor down upon 
like a bunch of people seems 

485
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,960
really cool to me. 
So I'm happy about that. 

486
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:09,600
But for people asking, like in 
chat multi is asking the horde. 

487
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:15,160
The Horde is not getting another
race that will have access to 

488
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,560
Demon Hunter. 
Right now it is just Void Elves 

489
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,240
that are getting access to it. 
But they did say something 

490
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,400
interesting and I, Lex, I'm 
going to let you jump in and 

491
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,560
talk about this. 
I'm back just for this. 

492
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,320
Yeah. 
So in the interview they said 

493
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,840
something like, now I know it 
feels like the Horde is off 

494
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,120
balance here, but it's not the 
end of the trilogy. 

495
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,040
Don't worry you guys, there's 
more world soul. 

496
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,800
We'll be equalling it out. 
So it does seem like there's 

497
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,000
something exciting in the 
pipeline. 

498
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,600
Yeah, I don't actually, I heard 
that quote. 

499
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,120
I don't think that means they're
getting another race for Demon 

500
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,800
Hunters. 
I think it means that they're 

501
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:57,000
getting another race class combo
other than, you know, troll 

502
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,640
Demon Hunters. 
So that's yeah, yeah, I don't 

503
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,200
know, because people, a lot of 
people were pointing at night 

504
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,160
born, like, oh, just give them 
Night born. 

505
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,760
That makes sense. 
They're just like night dolls. 

506
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:13,920
I was like, well, no. 
Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree 

507
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,040
with that. 
I do think it's strange because 

508
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,480
a lot of the most restrictive 
classes they've opened up, like 

509
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,800
Death Knights are basically 
every class except for the 

510
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,120
latest 2 that they've added, 
right? 

511
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,800
Shamans have been opened up 
pretty well because every time 

512
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,560
they add in a new race, they're 
allowed to be a shaman. 

513
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,400
Does this mean we're looking at 
like or paladins or something 

514
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,000
along those lines, which would 
be strange, but like I'm, I'm 

515
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,680
thinking about like what are the
more restrictive classes that 

516
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,840
have the least amount of races 
that can do it? 

517
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,120
And I I honestly think that it 
is something along the lines of 

518
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,200
Paladin at this point. 
Yeah, it's got to be I think. 

519
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,040
I think it has to be Paladin. 
Seen undead paladins as an 

520
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,760
option. 
I think that would be cool. 

521
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,440
I feel like especially after 
watching the trailer and seeing 

522
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:18,120
what we're being told is the 
army of the light that has fully

523
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:25,400
expunged itself of all non human
members, non human male members.

524
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,880
OK, yeah. 
I feel like that we're heading 

525
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,960
towards, you know. 
We're going to be getting a 

526
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,320
place. 
The Army, the lights. 

527
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,680
Go to a dark place. 
It makes me so angry, like, oh, 

528
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,040
it's there. 
It's clearly they're on the end 

529
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,920
of the light. 
Like what? 

530
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,400
Not a single hoof. 
Not a single hoof in this group.

531
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,600
Yeah, it was disturbing, and 
it's something that maybe we 

532
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,680
could talk about more in a lore 
episode. 

533
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,480
But like, I do think that there 
are reasons for it. 

534
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,040
I don't think it was just like 
they're like, yeah, or you're 

535
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,080
like we'll just do a bunch of 
armor clad men and let's leave 

536
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,200
it at that. 
We but we will come back to that

537
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,960
because I do think that it is 
odd that there was like not much

538
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,560
of a female presence. 
Anywho, there's of course a lot 

539
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,880
coming for different races and 
stuff that isn't like 

540
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,200
headlining. 
They talked about trolls getting

541
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,120
new hairstyles and stuff because
they're putting that stuff into 

542
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,160
the Amani. 
They didn't say if that is just 

543
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,000
the dark spare OG trolls or if 
that also includes the 

544
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,080
Zandalari. 
Those kind of customizations do 

545
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,480
come in quite quickly. 
We just saw new elves and like 

546
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,000
some customizations going to I 
believe not just OG humans but 

547
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,880
also the I was sorry they. 
Called Kieran with the point of 

548
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,080
years. 
Yeah, yeah. 

549
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,320
Right. 
So they can do some stuff like 

550
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,160
that. 
Maybe they like adjust elf eyes 

551
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,840
to to like be closer to the 
cinematic. 

552
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,520
But you know, I don't want to 
cause a fight out here. 

553
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,480
That's his eyes glowing more. 
I'm so sorry, I'm sorry. 

554
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,880
Why is your hand line so high as
to the person anyway? 

555
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,160
Yeah, I just, I just want to 
strong draw a line, that's all. 

556
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:26,960
Let's go over to the talents so.
I hate men anyway. 

557
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,080
We need a. 
Social We need a social 

558
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,560
commentary podcast along with 
this podcast. 

559
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,080
But for now, let's talk about 
strength of these talents 

560
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,640
because as you're going up to 
level 90, we're getting another 

561
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,080
10 talents. 
But that's not all being put 

562
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,280
into one place. 
These talents are going to be 

563
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,280
split between your class tree, 
your specialization, and your 

564
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,040
hero talents as well. 
As you level up, it'll 

565
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,320
alternate, You'll get 3 that go 
into your class tree by the time

566
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,800
you hit level 90, another three 
that will be put into your hero 

567
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,160
tree as you get up to level 90, 
and another four that will go 

568
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,640
into your specialization for the
class tree. 

569
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,240
Those points are just free to 
use things that would have been 

570
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,960
harder for you to get before. 
You might have had to given up 

571
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,920
other talents just to path into 
it or things that like just 

572
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,520
generally were like I, I can't 
spend the point because I've got

573
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,360
too many points that are just 
locked in. 

574
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,160
You're with these just extra 
points, you're going to have 

575
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,560
less of that. 
You're going to be more free to 

576
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,560
get more utility and such in 
that class tree. 

577
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:41,920
So that's great in the in the 
hero talents, by the time you 

578
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,040
hit the lady, you had already 
filled up that talent tree. 

579
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,160
So what's happening now is that 
they're adding another lane AKA 

580
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,200
column onto that and those three
points are going to go right 

581
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,040
there and you're going to have a
fully specced out here tree with

582
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,200
just that much more power. 
Finally, in that spec tree, 

583
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,200
you're getting 4 points, and 
those can go pretty much 

584
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,639
anywhere you'd like. 
But they've added Apex talents, 

585
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,880
and these Apex talents are one 
per specialization with four 

586
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,280
points that you can put into 
that into that talent point. 

587
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,080
The first point that you put 
into there is going to do 

588
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,320
something massive, and the last 
point that you put into there is

589
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,239
going to do something impactful.
The two points in between from 

590
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,760
the examples that we've been 
given are something passive, but

591
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:42,040
still something strong. 
So the example of the new 

592
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:47,239
Devourer, Devourer Demon Hunter,
they have a talent called 

593
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,639
midnight as their apex talent. 
And the first point, it turns 

594
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,679
your finisher collapsing, 
collapsing star to always 

595
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,200
critical hit. 
So you'll be guaranteed the 

596
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,240
critical hit, and then the next 
two points, which are the 

597
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,640
passive stuff, increases your 
damaged school. 

598
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,040
In the case of Devourers, it's 
cosmic damage by a percentage 

599
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:17,880
that increases right as well as 
causing you to increase your 

600
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,840
crit damage based on your crit 
percentage. 

601
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,800
So now while you that crit might
have been worthless to this 

602
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,320
ability, now it's going to 
further increase your damage. 

603
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,640
This is similar to I believe 
warlocks and their chaos fault 

604
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,520
where you're we're at one point 
the crit, the crit actually just

605
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,080
increase the damage of your 
chaos fault. 

606
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,720
And then the final one, when you
put all four points in there is 

607
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:48,800
that when you pop your void 
meta, you will immediately get 

608
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,840
enough resources to do your 
Collapsing Star. 

609
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,840
And this is really good because 
one, you've been putting all 

610
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,800
these points into making 
Collapsing Star that much 

611
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,360
better. 
But two, Collapsing Star is an 

612
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,840
ability that the more you do it,
the stronger it gets. 

613
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,800
And it's only available in your 
Demon Hunter form. 

614
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,480
So being able to start that 
chain immediately is actually 

615
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,000
quite strong for this spec. 
And so that's what they want. 

616
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,520
They want these talents to be 
very alluring stuff that you 

617
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:24,160
really want to put in. 
And it's unlikely, though it's 

618
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,440
not impossible, that you're 
going to want to put your points

619
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,800
anywhere else you. 
Can though they did make it 

620
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,640
clear that you are allowed to do
that. 

621
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,240
You don't have to do the Apex 
talent and you don't have to put

622
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:38,120
more than one point into it. 
And I'm a little curious how the

623
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,880
tuning's going to work, if it is
going to be so overpoweredly 

624
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,080
strong that everyone's going to 
put an Apex or if they are going

625
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,320
to make that a little bit on the
table. 

626
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,160
Like, yeah, this one like it's, 
it's good. 

627
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,960
But you could probably also just
get, you know, more things at 

628
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,200
your bottom row and and also get
some, I think God. 

629
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,520
I think it's going to be 
definitely one of those things 

630
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,080
that it is spec by spec. 
There might be ones where it's 

631
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,280
just like, yeah, it doesn't 
matter whatever whatever content

632
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,200
you're doing, this is worth it. 
There might be ones where it's 

633
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,680
based on the content you're 
doing. 

634
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,280
It might not be that good in 
like single target versus AOE 

635
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,000
versus PvP and that sort of 
stuff. 

636
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,800
And I think that's that's 
something that you can do for 

637
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,600
whatever specs, like if the 
collapsing star is purely single

638
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,960
target ability, which I don't 
believe it is right, you may not

639
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,800
want to dump all those points 
into it for mythic plus, instead

640
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,440
favoring something that that 
does better for AOE. 

641
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,600
Kind of looking way further 
ahead than I should. 

642
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,080
I would love that if in future 
expansions they just add other 

643
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,960
apex talents where you're like, 
oh, do I want this one or do I 

644
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,240
want this one? 
It's kind of become something 

645
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:58,000
that could conflict with hero 
talents, but like I I think that

646
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,360
that's a balancing issue for 
them. 

647
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,360
Yeah, it's something to be said 
for the fact that they're 

648
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,600
putting in all these Evergreen 
features, but there's a risk 

649
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,760
they're going to run into the 
reason that they weren't always 

650
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,720
putting in Evergreen features, 
which is that if every expansion

651
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:15,680
you put in an every Evergreen 
power feature, all of a sudden 

652
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,000
you have a lot of power feature.
So I'm curious. 

653
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,240
I'm also curious how they're 
going to balance that overall. 

654
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,240
I wouldn't mind mutual exclusive
Apex talents and stuff like 

655
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,880
that, just like give us more 
options, allow us to go wider 

656
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,040
instead of constantly making it 
longer and more more you're 

657
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,520
putting in. 
But yeah, that that is future 

658
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,600
developers problems. 
Not my issue. 

659
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:47,080
John, what do you think? 
I don't know, we're probably 3 

660
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,360
patches away from saying, hey, 
listen, we heard you. 

661
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,440
We tried the talents, but 
they're just sort of too deep 

662
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,000
and too varied and too complex. 
And we're going to simplify it 

663
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,440
down into just specific items 
that you get at each level. 

664
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,320
And then we'll be looking at 
like the Legion BFA era class 

665
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,160
leveling as Ji don't know. 
I, I'm going to, I don't really 

666
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,320
think it will tell us too much. 
I'm going to go onto a website, 

667
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,040
export the build and import the 
build and that's going to be it.

668
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,000
You know what I mean? 
So it's not like it. 

669
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,520
None of it really matters to me.
I don't agonizingly read through

670
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,800
every single ability and then 
test them out myself and try 

671
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,080
which ones to see which I 
install the one that I'm told to

672
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,320
install. 
And that's what I play. 

673
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,280
I'll read those talents to make 
sure that I know I'm playing it 

674
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,120
correctly, but I don't. 
Yeah, it's, and this will be the

675
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,840
same. 
I'm going to play whether my 

676
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,720
Apex talent is good or not means
nothing to me. 

677
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,480
I'm going to play what I'm told 
to play, OK? 

678
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,920
I have very little exploration 
in me at this point. 

679
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,480
I I mean, I'd love PTR because 
that's when I can do this most 

680
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,760
where I can be like, oh, let me 
try this and let me try that. 

681
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,080
I Sean, you've been on the PTR 
with me when they did the shaman

682
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,480
re vamp, but I was like, oh, let
me try this and let me try this 

683
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,880
with that. 
I think the class tree allows 

684
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,080
for the most exploration because
of. 

685
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,560
The ability, it's like utility 
and stuff. 

686
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,360
It's like I'm not going to be 
performing subpar damage because

687
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,160
I switched around my utility. 
And so it's funny that just 

688
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,080
having three points in there 
kind of makes that less of a 

689
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,600
thing because it's more likely 
I'll be able to grab all of 

690
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,920
them. 
I won't be making that 

691
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,360
decisions. 
So I do like that in the 

692
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,360
classroom. 
I do like that in the classroom 

693
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,000
that you can like, OK, maybe I 
don't want to take one minute 

694
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000
sack and instead I want to take 
double freedom. 

695
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,520
Those things when when the 
impact isn't going to be will my

696
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,440
damage and tanking be affected? 
And it's just will my quality of

697
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,920
life feel better? 
Will I feel like I can 

698
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,160
contribute more, do something I 
wouldn't normally able to do? 

699
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,040
Sometimes I'll even just take a 
passive so I don't have to take 

700
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,040
an active ability. 
The debt, my class tree. 

701
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,400
You're supposed to run Soul 
Reaper and it is damage 

702
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,680
increase, but it's one extra key
bind and it's just like, I just 

703
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,080
don't want to. 
I'm not playing this guy at a 

704
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,200
competitive level. 
I just don't want to have an 

705
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,920
extra button I have to press and
track. 

706
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,960
So I'm just going to take icy 
talents. 

707
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,360
Leave me alone. 
Yeah, I do kind of think that 

708
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,880
World of Warcraft has a little 
bit of a complexity issue. 

709
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,000
I was saying this when we were 
talking about single button 

710
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,480
rotation. 
That kind of my take away from 

711
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,600
that is that I think the 
rotations are just a little too 

712
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,000
complicated and we probably 
could parse them down pretty 

713
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,320
significantly. 
And I absolutely feel that way 

714
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,360
about talents. 
I look at the like, I open up 

715
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,200
the talent trees and I am like, 
oh, maybe today I'll be creative

716
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,520
and I'll try to figure out how 
to do something. 

717
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,640
And within like 2 clicks I'm 
overwhelmed and I've broke my 

718
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,120
entire tree and I'm having like 
a mental breakdown and I'm like 

719
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,560
This is why they give me 
important strings. 

720
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,960
I have not touched a talent tree
since we got the import strings.

721
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,600
It is. 
It is far too much. 

722
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:47,720
It's funny. 
That'd be creative. 

723
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,720
Actually, no, I'm. 
Like I'll just pull from this 

724
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,120
place over here and then all of 
a sudden none of my bottom 

725
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,320
talents are accessible and I'm 
like, OK. 

726
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,480
Yeah. 
My bad. 

727
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,760
I'm just picturing Monty Python.
Let's go to Camelot. 

728
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:07,840
It's a silly place. 
Let's not go oh wow, that is 

729
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,920
perfect. 
Oh, OK, all right, I, I do 

730
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,440
really love what you can shift 
around your talents. 

731
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,240
It is different for different 
classes for sure. 

732
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:24,680
Some some classes they're like 
bottom row is or like parts of 

733
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,840
the bottom row. 
It's just oddly not viable and 

734
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,800
Shaman, enhancement shaman is 
not like that and has not been 

735
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,800
like that for like pretty much 
all of Dragonflight. 

736
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,240
And I'm really happy about that.
I know elemental is really 

737
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,800
loathing part of it. 
So it is different from spec to 

738
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,640
spec, but being able to like 
shift those talents and then how

739
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,800
you play based on like raid 
council and so forth, I think is

740
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,200
one of the strengths of Wow. 
Even if you are just using 

741
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,960
import strings to be like, I'm 
going to flex this way. 

742
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,080
Being able to be like, oh, no, 
because I remember before we had

743
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:07,080
talents like this level of 
talents and it would be like, 

744
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,560
oh, we're doing the single 
fight. 

745
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,600
I need to change specs because 
this this spec cannot do single 

746
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,760
talent or this spec cannot do 
AOE, and having the ability to 

747
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,760
flex that at least a little bit 
to be viable in those situations

748
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:28,320
I think is a just like the 
reason talents are are so good 

749
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,160
right now. 
That's fair, and I do also feel 

750
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,040
like before this, when I think 
about it, genuinely, it did feel

751
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,760
like a lot of patches and 
expansion, especially there was 

752
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,400
at least one person in the Guild
who is like, well, I guess I'm 

753
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,040
rerolling because everything 
that I love about my spec was 

754
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,480
just taken for me. 
And I feel like I've heard that 

755
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,960
a lot less now that there is 
that flexibility in talents. 

756
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,960
So, and I, I guess that is 
potentially the other argument 

757
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,480
that if the, the, the ideal is 
that World of Warcraft has the 

758
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,320
ability for complexity and also 
the ability to be simple, right?

759
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,520
If you want to play around with 
your talents and figure out 

760
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,160
exactly how you feel, you do 
that. 

761
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:08,360
If not, you go to row head. 
If you want to figure out your 

762
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,320
entire rotation, get a perfect, 
you do that. 

763
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,160
If not, you do the single button
rotation. 

764
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,400
Like there is that ability to 
play both. 

765
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:22,640
Yeah. 
So I think that there is a funny

766
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,560
thing about the single button 
rotation. 

767
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,280
The more you understand the 
limitations of the single button

768
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:35,520
rotation and your talents, the 
better you can spec your your 

769
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,720
talents to take advantage of the
single button rotation and not 

770
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,000
get hit as hard by that penalty.
Like if you do a lot more stuff 

771
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,960
that's hard casting, if you do a
lot more stuff that avoids that,

772
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:54,440
like GCD Incursion, you might 
actually get better performance 

773
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,800
than somebody who this follows 
the guide and then does single 

774
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,120
button rotation right. 
If you're like, I actually, I'm 

775
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,720
going to stop at this haste 
break point because that's now 

776
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:08,480
going to start clipping into 
this or and I'm going to get 

777
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,280
this other stat, you actually 
would perform better. 

778
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:17,960
It's a very funny thing when I 
was talking with a a theory 

779
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,080
crafter, that's like, actually 
we might start doing a single 

780
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:28,840
button rotation gearing 
strategy, which is not something

781
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,640
I'd ever considered when we were
talking about the single button 

782
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,320
rotation. 
Wait until those builds start 

783
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,840
out performing the non single 
button rotation builds. 

784
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,920
It's going to be a nightmare. 
Wait. 

785
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,720
OK, so I'm going to pass this 
over to you, Lex. 

786
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,520
This is I think something that 
you have been loving. 

787
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,720
So go ahead. 
It is outdoor content season, 

788
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,720
babes. 
We are getting so much exciting 

789
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:03,160
new stuff, so we are seeing a 
lot of different ways the the 

790
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,360
goal of the game right now, the 
philosophy that they're saying 

791
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,600
is they want to provide a lot of
different activities for 

792
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,480
different players. 
The one that I am the most 

793
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,720
excited about, obviously, 
because I've been talking about 

794
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:14,200
it very excitedly since we 
learned about it. 

795
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,640
The last episode is Prey, so we 
got a little bit more clarity on

796
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,480
how the Prey system is going to 
work in general. 

797
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,640
So you go to Murder Row, you 
talk to the guy who likes to 

798
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,640
torture Naru, whose name I've 
already forgotten, and he gives 

799
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,480
you a target. 
They. 

800
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:34,440
And then the target is in the 
the different zones, right? 

801
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,040
It's supposed to be 
unpredictable. 

802
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,200
I I'm going to make a confession
and maybe one of you 2 can save 

803
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,680
me. 
Or maybe this is simply how it 

804
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,400
is. 
I'm kind of still confused about

805
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,640
how exactly this is going to 
work. 

806
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,200
I still don't feel like we've 
gotten harsh clarity like they 

807
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,600
they're talking about like 
you're getting ambushed by your 

808
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:01,200
guy, but then also like you're 
finding tracks and it seems like

809
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,280
there's multiple encounters. 
And I, I personally, when I was 

810
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,720
listening to the interview, I 
felt like it was remaining a 

811
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,320
little fuzzy. 
I still honestly, for example, I

812
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,240
know it's a weekly set. 
I don't know that I know for 

813
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:19,360
sure how long it will take. 
So I go ahead, John. 

814
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,960
The the way that I heard it 
described from someone who was 

815
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,800
at games.com is similar to the 
mall. 

816
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,440
When the assassins in the mall 
would randomly attack you, 

817
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:36,080
you'll be doing your other daily
activities, herbing, fishing, 

818
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,160
world quests, whatever. 
And then you're going to get 

819
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,240
jumped and it could happen 
multiple times or will happen 

820
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:44,800
multiple times. 
And then the final time is when 

821
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,840
you you get the kill or 
whatever. 

822
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,000
That's how they described it was
that that I don't remember if 

823
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,400
that had a name from the MA, but
with the jailer's eye, like this

824
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,080
was season 1 of of shadow lands.
The jailer's eye would like 

825
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,360
randomly send assassins after 
you to try and take you out if 

826
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,600
your thing was too high. 
So that's what I think you're 

827
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,880
going to sign up for this thing 
and you're going to randomly get

828
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:11,120
it's going to be like getting 
PvP ganked, but by an NPC. 

829
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,160
You're out in the world. 
OK, I think that's one system 

830
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,480
that I didn't really play with a
ton, so I think I didn't even 

831
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,040
realize there was that like 
connection. 

832
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,200
OK, so that actually makes more 
sense. 

833
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,960
And that makes me feel better 
that they're not pulling this 

834
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,880
entirely out of thin air. 
And this is based in. 

835
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:27,800
Yeah, oh, that was awful in the 
mall so. 

836
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,320
Yay. 
Like, yeah, like they, like, it 

837
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,760
could have been really bad if 
you were, if you were early in 

838
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,800
your gearing experience, if you 
were already just like surviving

839
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,720
whatever you were dealing with, 
and then the assassin jumped to 

840
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,160
you. 
And I think that's supposed to 

841
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,920
be the tension that they're 
giving you, especially on the 

842
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,720
higher difficulties. 
It's like, you better be 

843
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:50,120
prepared. 
This is when you pop your 

844
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,560
cooldowns and try and survive 
and that sort of thing. 

845
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:59,440
But part of it is that the 
number of encounters, like how 

846
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,040
exactly these things are going 
to operate is supposed to be 

847
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,840
something that you don't know 
immediately. 

848
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,800
At least until like one of these
community sites throws out the 

849
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,920
guide and says when you take 
this one, they will they will 

850
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,520
jump you on a cooldown of X and 
they will have this. 

851
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,840
So like it is supposed to be 
something that adds a little bit

852
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:26,560
of suspense to your otherwise 
like general outdoor activities.

853
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:34,400
They did say that these enemies 
can jump you anywhere. 

854
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,000
Remember when we were talking 
last week? 

855
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,800
I was saying, Oh yeah. 
Like, so that means that when I 

856
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,680
want to actually do fishing or 
something, I'll just stay out of

857
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,640
the area that this guy will jump
me in. 

858
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,200
And apparently it that doesn't 
matter. 

859
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,320
You could be in like the void 
Storm and suddenly this Almani 

860
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,000
trolls like I've travelled 
across the Galaxy to get you and

861
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,400
yeah, you'll just have to 
reconcile with that. 

862
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,440
It is from what I saw. 
It is like what Sean said where 

863
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,920
like you'll randomly get this, 
like, oh, you're, you're dealing

864
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,320
with me now. 
And then you'll get them to a 

865
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,600
certain point and they'll run 
away. 

866
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,600
Think like the Nemesis when 
you're in a Delve where suddenly

867
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,520
they'll pop up, they'll fight 
you for a little bit and then 

868
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,320
they'll they'll run away. 
So it has been used now 

869
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,440
repeatedly in in World of 
Warcraft. 

870
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:29,360
And I think that should be OK. 
I just don't know what the fail 

871
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,120
state is. 
Is it like when same thing with 

872
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,840
those where like oh you'll get 
jumped by the nemesis and 

873
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,400
whether you beat them or or lose
you'll still move on to move on 

874
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,000
or is it that like oh you've 
lost so Nope you got to wait for

875
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,800
them to ambush them again. 
You have to beat them X amount 

876
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,040
of times before you can do the 
final encounter. 

877
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,640
Or do you become the hunter for 
somebody else? 

878
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,160
When you lose, you get trapped 
into this contract with Bourne 

879
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,240
Zombie, and now you have to 
track down somebody else who's 

880
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:01,760
just doing their fishing. 
That would be so cool. 

881
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,200
That would have made it for PvP.
And for PvP. 

882
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:05,840
Oh yeah, I don't like PvP. 
You're right, man. 

883
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:06,960
Put it in. 
PvP mode. 

884
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,240
Imagine the person who's your 
prey just like doesn't log on 

885
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:13,000
for the week and you're like 
where did they go? 

886
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,400
From where where did they? 
Go here, you just stuck in 

887
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,280
purgatory with Bourne Zombie, 
which wouldn't be so bad. 

888
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,000
I love Bourne Zombie, but you 
love it. 

889
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,080
OK, yeah, so that's very 
helpful. 

890
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,920
That makes me feel a lot better 
that because because it felt 

891
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,680
very nebulous. 
I was like, is this done? 

892
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,800
Like, do you guys actually know 
what we're doing? 

893
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,720
But maybe it's just nebulous. 
Maybe sometimes things are just 

894
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:36,000
kind of weird. 
They have told us a lot more 

895
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,080
about the difficulty levels. 
There's normal, heart and 

896
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,200
Nightmare to answer a question 
we had in the last episode. 

897
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,920
Normal is public you still it's 
your prey, so you don't have to 

898
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,760
worry about like other people 
killing it for like for you 

899
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,520
before you can target it, but 
other people can help you, they 

900
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,080
can see it and they can assist 
you on hard a nightmare. 

901
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,200
It's going to be a 1V1 and it 
also is going to have torments. 

902
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,080
So things that are going to make
it more complicated and more 

903
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,160
difficult. 
And presumably they'll either 

904
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,600
stack or they'll be more 
difficult a nightmare than in 

905
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,160
hard. 
So we we got our levels. 

906
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,440
We have. 
So in the interview they said 

907
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:17,680
that during games com so we're 
really getting flash moments. 

908
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:23,480
They determined that they were 
going to make prey contribute to

909
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,760
the world tier row. 
Yeah, the world tier row of your

910
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,520
great Vault and it could get you
up to heroic. 

911
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,600
So you will be getting gear. 
My understanding is only through

912
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,880
vault the way that it was that I
understood that interview. 

913
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,520
You're not going to like get 
gear dropping when you're 

914
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,560
killing the guys, but you you 
will get gear at the end of the 

915
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,040
week. 
So there is a power reward, but 

916
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,680
it is primarily cosmetic that 
you were doing this for. 

917
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,560
And Nightmare is supposed to be 
like a little bit below the 

918
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,280
final, like the the big final 
boss delve of every season. 

919
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,200
But it's still supposed to be 
hard. 

920
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,280
It's supposed to be at like 
getting close to those levels. 

921
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,600
So it's actually going to be 
complicated. 

922
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,000
It's going to be fun. 
It's going to be this harder 

923
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,720
open world content, but you get 
to choose it as you people don't

924
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:13,920
get to complain that it's too 
difficult because then just 

925
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,680
choose easier. 
And I'm sure people will find 

926
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,040
things to be unhappy about, but 
that's OK. 

927
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,840
We're going to have a good time.
We're going to pray and we're 

928
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,080
going to kill things. 
How are you guys feeling about 

929
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,480
this? 
How is anyone else excited for 

930
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:30,000
praying? 
I'm conflicted about the the 

931
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,320
loot. 
It's just too heroic. 

932
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,640
So like we had a discussion in 
the discord about how quickly 

933
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:44,440
we're outgrowing certain rows in
the vault, so it's just too 

934
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,040
heroic. 
So I don't think this will 

935
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:51,800
bother me past like week two of 
a of a season as an alternative 

936
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,440
to doing delves. 
I think that like, you know, 

937
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,920
more variety is always good for 
people who who want to do that. 

938
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,000
I just question if this is a 
weekly and like, let's say you 

939
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,160
want to fill out that row, can I
do like 3 hunts to fill up the 

940
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,000
three rows? 
Is it going to be that I have to

941
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,320
do X amount of hunts? 
How quickly can I conclude 

942
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,840
hunts? 
There's there's a lot of 

943
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,120
questions now about like how 
much of the vault and how 

944
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,600
quickly I can fill up that that 
vault row with the hunts are. 

945
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,480
And because of the random 
nature, if it's Monday and I 

946
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,200
pick up a hunt, am I like 
actually going to be able to do 

947
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,280
it in time? 
So there's a lot of questions 

948
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,760
when it stops, when it ceases 
being cosmetic, when it gets 

949
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,640
tied to these sort of schedules 
that pop up from this. 

950
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,360
And so as soon as they they did 
this, I was just like, and 

951
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,720
here's the next 20 questions. 
So yeah, I don't know. 

952
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,400
I don't know. 
Yeah, my my guess is so first of

953
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,400
all, just to to again restate, 
they kind of pulled this 

954
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,560
respectfully out of their butt, 
right? 

955
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,560
This was something that they 
even themselves admitted they 

956
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,880
altered course on during games 
com. 

957
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,440
So they, I think don't know how 
exactly they're going to put it 

958
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:05,880
in. 
I think this was just kind of a 

959
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,440
like conversation. 
They were like, oh, that's 

960
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,120
actually a really good point. 
I guess I could contribute to 

961
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,280
the vault. 
My guess is it's going to be 1 

962
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,080
tick. 
You get 1 possible chance. 

963
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:19,400
So you will get one box filled 
in your great vault. 

964
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,520
If you want more than that one 
box, you go do delves. 

965
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:26,280
Because I again, I don't think 
they really want this to be a 

966
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,560
gearing thing. 
I think that that's why they're 

967
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,840
choosing not to have gear 
dropped and it could be wrong. 

968
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,040
I'm not coding it. 
I don't know anything, but I I 

969
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,800
don't get the vibe that they 
want this to be a thing where 

970
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,240
you are like this is your weekly
gearing. 

971
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:44,400
I think they want more of oh 
cute one Victoria. 

972
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,920
I got a QP salute. 
That's not how I'm going to gear

973
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,320
for the week, but I feel good 
about it. 

974
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,040
Can I put you in a hot seat for 
a second? 

975
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,840
Yeah, totally. 
OK so if this contributes to 

976
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,360
your vault but you can only do 
1, does that then make it the 

977
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,360
equivalent to doing 4 dels for 
the last slot, or only the first

978
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,480
slot? 
And now I have to do 7 dels to 

979
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,080
get to the last slot. 
I think it's the seven dels. 

980
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,600
I think. 
I think they want this. 

981
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,360
I could be wrong again, I first 
of all, I'm confused as we have 

982
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,280
determined. 
I'm confused about all this 

983
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,440
news. 
I'm especially confused about 

984
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,760
the prey. 
So I I am not saying this with 

985
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,600
any sort of like strong 
confidence. 

986
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:32,080
My vibe is that this is meant to
be like like really minimal like

987
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,120
I think this is going to count 
as one delve right? 

988
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,680
This will and I think, OK, I'm 
going to feel really, really 

989
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,320
stupid the first slot of. 
The. 

990
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,200
Vault. 
You only need to do one thing to

991
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:45,160
get it right. 
Yes. 

992
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:47,680
Yeah, I know what my fault looks
like. 

993
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,840
This. 
Is the first slot. 

994
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,360
First slot is 2 delves in the 
world content. 

995
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,280
OK, yeah, so and the first raid 
slot is 2 raid bosses as well. 

996
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,000
Yeah. 
So, so if they just make it 

997
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,240
count as a Delve, then it's just
do one of these, do a Delph, it 

998
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:08,840
could just count as a Delph, 
right? 

999
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,880
Yeah, then that's what they do 
with most world content. 

1000
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,160
Like for example, if you do like
the theatre troupe right now, it

1001
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,080
counts as one delve. 
So like it will pop up like 

1002
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,640
it'll it'll get you somewhere, 
but it's not you're not going to

1003
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:28,400
like clear a row just with that.
So we're getting a little gear. 

1004
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,440
If you are like, I'm an open 
world gamer and that sucks. 

1005
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:32,600
I don't like pray this is 
stupid. 

1006
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,720
That's OK. 
You got more things. 

1007
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,800
We're doing great. 
So you also have the Silver Moon

1008
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,760
Court, which is meant to be 
reminiscent of the like Aldores 

1009
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,480
Grier sort of thing where you're
doing Rep balancing. 

1010
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,200
There's four different factions 
in Eversong Woods and you'd, 

1011
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,040
you're all, they each have their
own track. 

1012
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,600
Their tracks have cosmetic 
rewards. 

1013
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,360
My I, I was not really, I was a 
child during Burning Crusade. 

1014
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,120
So I only know about the 
outdoors Grier from like memes 

1015
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,840
and stuff. 
But my understanding is that you

1016
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,040
kind of have to pick a side, 
right? 

1017
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,440
Like you can't, You couldn't be 
full. 

1018
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,400
Yeah, sick. 
But like, I'm going to, I'm 

1019
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,480
going to push back against it 
because I think that they made 

1020
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,520
the wrong analogy. 
I'm going to say that this is 

1021
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:17,840
more like the severed threads 
where you can choose the 

1022
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,440
general, the the the vizier or 
the Weaver. 

1023
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,920
And each of those had their own 
separate track, but they all 

1024
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:30,320
lead towards the the main track.
And I say that because with the 

1025
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:36,360
advent of war bans and with the 
advent of everything being done 

1026
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:41,360
on your account level, I would 
hate for the inability to switch

1027
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,480
between these. 
So each week you're probably 

1028
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,000
going to switch between these 
just like the silk, the severed 

1029
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,800
threads or more recently 
undermine where you would choose

1030
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,920
your cartel. 
I think that that's sorry, I 

1031
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,600
think that that's more likely in
a in a in a war bound thing 

1032
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,160
because with the Stryers and the
Alder I won, they had 

1033
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,640
professional stuff. 
So I would always have to pick 

1034
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:11,200
based on my profession. 
But 2 I had alts that I would 

1035
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,600
have one work on another one and
one work on the other. 

1036
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,040
Batchy. 
Back then I didn't do alts. 

1037
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,880
And they were mutually 
exclusive. 

1038
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,080
When you wanted to do something 
with the alders. 

1039
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,560
Congratulations, you are now 
hostile with the Scrys. 

1040
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,720
They're not hostile. 
Yeah, hostile is is correct. 

1041
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,640
They weren't at war with you, 
but they were hostile. 

1042
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,920
They'd be like, get out of my my
neck of the woods and they'd 

1043
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,120
kick you out of the area of the 
city. 

1044
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,520
So you had to choose one faction
at the expense of another 

1045
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,120
faction. 
Since Shadow Lands, Blizzard's 

1046
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,440
kind of gun shy about that. 
So I don't, I don't actually 

1047
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,400
think that it's outdoor scryers,
I think that it is severed 

1048
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,000
threads or undermine cartels. 
Well, see, but I feel like it 

1049
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,880
can't be because those are such 
easier references to make. 

1050
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,600
I feel like the fact that they 
chose outdoor Squire was a very 

1051
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,720
and also the fact that they are 
saying the word balance. 

1052
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,880
They didn't say build your 
reputations. 

1053
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,560
They very explicitly said to 
balance your reputations between

1054
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,520
the four different factions. 
I I, I don't know how it'll 

1055
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:10,840
work. 
It's possible they won't make it

1056
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,920
war bound, which I think would 
probably be the easiest option 

1057
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,840
is just be like this one is 
character specific. 

1058
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,320
Oh, apparently that's not that's
not popular with the group. 

1059
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:25,800
But I like I, I can't imagine 
that they would pick the words 

1060
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,160
they picked and they pick the 
examples they gave. 

1061
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,280
If it I, I, I think I mean like 
based on the way the game tends 

1062
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,680
to go, I think you're probably 
like, I, I can see where you're 

1063
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,160
coming from. 
And that does seem to fit the 

1064
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,120
most of how World of Warcraft 
has been making decisions where 

1065
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,920
they do kind of give you a like 
or you can grind it all, have 

1066
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,920
fun, enjoy yourself. 
But I would be, I would just be 

1067
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,640
very surprised based on the 
words they picked. 

1068
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,720
But to be fair, I was also like,
there have been a few times, 

1069
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,320
including with the to do a quick
little call back single button 

1070
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,960
rotation that I've been like, 
no, you guys listen to what 

1071
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,840
Blizzard saying. 
They're being very, very clear 

1072
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,000
about what they want this to be.
And I've been very wrong. 

1073
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:04,960
So maybe I don't know what 
Blizzard say. 

1074
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,720
Yeah, I it's a question. 
You're right. 

1075
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,040
They did use the term balance. 
They, they were very specific 

1076
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,040
about words like balances and 
something that that you just 

1077
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:22,680
sort of throw out there. 
I'm I'm interested in seeing 

1078
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,240
where this goes, but what else 
do we have for the people who 

1079
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,960
maybe are not wanting to deal 
with the court? 

1080
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,440
We also have the Loa of 
Abundance. 

1081
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,720
So this is a gathering sort of 
adventure where you're going to 

1082
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,320
go into these caves, It's going 
to be a fast-paced treasure room

1083
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:36,520
event. 
You're going to be running 

1084
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:37,680
around gathering different 
things. 

1085
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,080
You do not have to be a gatherer
to do it, but you will get cute 

1086
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,320
little bonuses. 
And also it's tied to Zuluman 

1087
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,920
because again, you're gathering 
for the Loa of Abundance, but 

1088
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,400
you can do it anywhere or the 
the events will occur anywhere, 

1089
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,160
I should say. 
So you're able to go in and, 

1090
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,560
and, and do your adventures and 
have your good times with 

1091
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,200
whatever vibe you're doing, 
which is very exciting. 

1092
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,280
I don't know, I guess I say that
and I don't, I'm not really a 

1093
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,120
collector and I'm probably not 
going to do this a lot, but I'm 

1094
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,000
excited for the people who are 
happy. 

1095
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,440
There's the legends of the 
Harnier where there's gonna be 

1096
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,960
magical paintings which will 
uncover bite size, lore, focus, 

1097
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,320
objective. 
So you can quickly if you want 

1098
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:19,280
to, but they said you can slow 
down, read tidbits, get deep 

1099
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,440
into the into the information 
and and learn a lot through 

1100
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,320
these events. 
And then there's the Stormarian 

1101
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:27,920
assault. 
This is going to be a wave 

1102
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,520
defense and it's going to be a 
group event similar to like the 

1103
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:36,160
soup was the example they gave 
you will be scored and you will 

1104
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,240
be scored by yourself and the 
fighting that you do and also 

1105
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,520
the way that you're setting up 
defenses, which I am cautiously 

1106
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,880
excited about this one. 
I, I'm really curious how 

1107
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,560
they're going to pull it off 
because usually in these sorts 

1108
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:57,280
of group events, again, it is a 
very like you're done within 5 

1109
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,840
minutes. 
Like they, they, they've made it

1110
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,280
in such a way that you can score
the Max and you almost certainly

1111
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,800
will, unless you're like playing
at 2:00 in the morning. 

1112
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,680
So I'm curious they they the way
that they said it made it sound 

1113
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,640
like they were going to make it 
difficult and make it actually 

1114
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,640
more of a scoring system. 
I have never seen them do that 

1115
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,240
for open world content. 
So we'll see. 

1116
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,080
Yeah, I mean, with this one in 
particular, I think you're 

1117
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,840
right. 
There's going to be the guy 

1118
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:30,520
who's streaming and and AFK and 
proudly AFK while he's chatting 

1119
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,320
and everybody else is doing 
stuff around them. 

1120
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,800
There's going to be stop 
laughing. 

1121
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:39,040
It could be anybody. 
I'm in this, I'm in this tweet 

1122
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:44,160
and I don't like it. 
There, there's going to be a 

1123
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,600
bunch of people who are just 
running off doing their own sort

1124
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,000
of thing. 
And so like, I don't think you 

1125
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,160
can really tune it that that 
high into difficulty. 

1126
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:57,000
Like I'm looking at Nightfall 
and how you, you had to do your 

1127
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,160
own particular stuff to like 
actually earn those rewards. 

1128
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:05,920
And so like they are doing 
different things to evolve this 

1129
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,480
formula a little bit and we'll 
see. 

1130
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,400
If you're killing mobs for 
myself like a sucker. 

1131
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:20,760
Like, since the advent of 
Dragonflight, they have had 

1132
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:26,280
these public events, and these 
last four definitely seem like 

1133
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,680
public events. 
Oh, there's a cave up. 

1134
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,880
Oh, it's the top of the hour. 
Let's do this. 

1135
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:39,800
The Stormarian assault, right? 
Oh, the lore event is available 

1136
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,680
for the for the next hour. 
Let me go, go do that. 

1137
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:49,600
I think they're cute, but this 
is this. 

1138
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,080
This part of it doesn't seem 
like anything revolutionary. 

1139
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,720
It just seems like the next wave
of the same things we've been 

1140
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,760
doing for the last, what, four 
or five years? 

1141
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:07,800
I, I get a little anxious about 
these now because every single 

1142
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:13,240
time they put in some rare 
recipe or some something that 

1143
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,920
people need to get from these 
things. 

1144
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:20,360
So people are farming it like 
every hour on the hour for the 

1145
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:25,000
first like X amount of weeks. 
And then the next patch comes 

1146
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,520
out, everybody moves on to that 
and there are a bunch of people 

1147
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,360
who didn't get the recipe or 
came in late that are now stuck 

1148
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,280
trying to do it with the same 
really low drop chance. 

1149
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,520
And it just becomes frustrating 
for them. 

1150
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,000
I'm hoping they do something to 
make these a little bit more 

1151
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,920
Evergreen. 
They kind of did a little bit of

1152
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:54,680
that in Dragonflight where like 
they upped what you the quality 

1153
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,160
you would get out of them at 
least. 

1154
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:01,080
But I haven't really seen that 
in the war within. 

1155
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,400
Like, I mean like they did up 
the quality, but they also made 

1156
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,760
things so obsolete with the 
speed of stuff coming out in in 

1157
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,320
in the war within that. 
I when was the last time either 

1158
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:18,760
of you did like the like 
protecting the light in hollow 

1159
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:26,880
fall? 
Season 1 when I got Max Rep, 

1160
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,240
that was the last time. 
So I mean one way that they did 

1161
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:37,440
kind of keep some of these world
events relevant in War Within is

1162
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,600
they gave them delve keys and 
then they suddenly switched them

1163
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,640
to shards and didn't tell me. 
And now I have 50 shards I don't

1164
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,040
know what to do with in my bag 
because I didn't realize the 

1165
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,360
theater troopers shards and I 
would have done it if I do that.

1166
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,920
I knew it was stupid and lazy. 
But anyway, not that I'm mad 

1167
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,160
about that. 
So that is one thing that 

1168
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,000
they've been doing a lot of. 
Like that's also, you know, the 

1169
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,520
only reason I awaken the machine
is because I get the weekly 

1170
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,080
quest and it gives me a delve 
key and I'm like, OK, sick. 

1171
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,320
I'll blow 5 minutes on that. 
So I can see that being the way 

1172
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:11,680
that they go about this. 
And I'm curious to see some of 

1173
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,920
these like, for example, not to 
out myself as like a bad World 

1174
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,800
of Warcraft player, the legends 
of the Harnier does not speak to

1175
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,000
me at all. 
Like to the point where that is 

1176
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,560
the one that I did not take any 
notes on when I was watching the

1177
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,080
video. 
I was like, oh, and then there's

1178
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:27,800
the lore one, which we love the 
lore ones. 

1179
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:34,960
I read the books, but I am and 
and so I can see some of these 

1180
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:39,120
getting tedious as well. 
And I'm curious how they're 

1181
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,640
going to do the rewards. 
I am also curious how they're 

1182
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,720
going to keep it Evergreen, if 
it is going to be, you know, 

1183
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,120
fun, cute little cosmetics, 
which seems to be what they're 

1184
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:47,920
doing with a lot of these. 
Whether it is going to be things

1185
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,400
like dove keys and and potential
benefits, whether it's a mix of 

1186
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:56,360
them, who knows. 
And I am curious, especially for

1187
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,640
the ones like the Assault, which
is a Group One, how much there 

1188
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,880
will be like how much I actually
will have to care about my 

1189
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:06,080
fellow players. 
Yeah. 

1190
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,960
So we will have to see. 
I'm glad that they are putting 

1191
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,880
some attention into the open 
world stuff. 

1192
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,479
All of these things you could be
doing and then suddenly your 

1193
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,560
prey can come across you. 
So there is that. 

1194
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:26,040
We will see how Legion Remix 
goes because I would love to see

1195
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:30,600
the world tier difficulties be 
something that is fun. 

1196
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,920
And then maybe after that, 
adopted. 

1197
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:40,920
And yeah, before we go any 
further though, Sean, we happen 

1198
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,960
to have a new supporter over on 
Patreon. 

1199
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,640
Oh snap, nobody told me I don't 
have a thing. 

1200
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:52,520
But I will say a special thanks 
to Aphrodon and all of our 

1201
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,479
Patrons for Azeroth. 
We'll always be free, but if you

1202
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,920
enjoy the content we produce, 
please consider pledging to our 

1203
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,399
Patreon at patreon.com/F AZ. 
And if you don't want to do 

1204
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:04,479
Patreon, just come hang on the 
Discord at Bit dot LY slash fast

1205
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:05,960
Discord. 
We're always in there. 

1206
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,319
We're hanging out and I'm 
basically Tinkerbell. 

1207
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:15,319
I require applause to live, so 
please come spend some time with

1208
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:20,120
us. 
OK, with that said. 

1209
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,319
Right. 
I mean a little bit, a little 

1210
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:25,960
bit. 
With that said, I do want to 

1211
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,920
talk about quickly the revamped 
levelling process because they 

1212
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,760
did cover this off and go and 
went through it. 

1213
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,279
Assuming that if you're 
listening to this show, you're 

1214
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:40,560
actively playing and this won't 
be of much value to you, but you

1215
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,080
can get some friends to come 
back. 

1216
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,520
You can entice a new player and 
this is sort of what they're 

1217
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:49,040
going to be going through. 
So they still have the Exiles 

1218
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,520
reach process. 
You'll go through that as a new 

1219
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,480
player, or if you just want to, 
on one of your alts. 

1220
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,280
That will get you to level 10. 
From there, you're going into 

1221
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,800
Dragonflight just like you would
today, except that they've 

1222
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,880
revised the Dragonflight 
levelling experience. 

1223
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,760
You'll go through the 1st 4 
zones just as you normally 

1224
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,680
would, but that won't get you 
all the way to 70. 

1225
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,080
Instead, you'll complete those 4
zones and then start going 

1226
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:18,840
through some of the expansions 
later patch content, which means

1227
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:23,600
that you're going to fight in 
the Vault of the Incarnate as 

1228
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,960
part of a story mode raid. 
You'll then go into the Zerlak 

1229
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:31,120
Caverns again, there will be 
another story mode raid, go off 

1230
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:35,040
into the Emerald Dream and 
Ameritracil and go up against 

1231
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:41,000
Fire Rack as part of the final 
part of the of the story, the 

1232
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,400
expansion, and that will get you
to level 70. 

1233
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:50,760
From level 70 to 80, there is 
going to be an abridged version 

1234
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,000
of The War Within. 
I think I've said it a couple of

1235
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,040
times that I feel like the story
for The War Within has sort of 

1236
01:10:59,480 --> 01:11:01,080
wavered and gone all over the 
place. 

1237
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,440
Is that time? 
Well, now they've got the Cold 

1238
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:07,320
Notes version of it, taking 
something that they said would 

1239
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:13,000
have taken dozens of hours and 
compacting that into something a

1240
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,200
lot more streamlined, getting 
you to level 80, which is when 

1241
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:21,040
you will step in to midnight 
with everybody else. 

1242
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:26,360
These revamped stuff are coming 
before we start midnight. 

1243
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:31,320
So if you want to do this 
revamped version of the war 

1244
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,000
within as a refresher that they 
said they're allowing players to

1245
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,200
do that, I think that's that's 
pretty cool that they're doing 

1246
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,080
this abridged version. 
They had said that like dragon 

1247
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,160
fight was going to be their 
jumping off point for new 

1248
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,200
players. 
And this definitely makes it 

1249
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:51,200
feel like the new era. 
Hey, let's get you up to up to 

1250
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,840
date. 
If you are a returning player, 

1251
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:56,960
they have something else for 
you. 

1252
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:02,120
They have this scenario where 
you are going to have your quest

1253
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,760
log hidden away. 
Don't deal with the stuff in 

1254
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,440
your inventory and all of those 
items. 

1255
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,880
Instead, you'll have this 
scenario where you'll be with 

1256
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:14,040
Thrall and Jana and it'll 
reintroduce you to to the game. 

1257
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,240
That includes a tutorial that 
will make sure that you're 

1258
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,320
learning about like what you 
should know at this time, 

1259
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:26,640
including an interrupt tutorial.
Oh, that is so good. 

1260
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:31,120
There are so many people in pugs
that I want to be like vote into

1261
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:35,840
the scenario, but they, they 
have that. 

1262
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,080
I think this will become the new
pug slur. 

1263
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,760
Have you done this and have you 
done the interrupt tutorial? 

1264
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:50,720
But if you feel that you already
have the handle on things and 

1265
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,840
you're like, OK, you know what? 
I'm I'm caught back up to speed.

1266
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,760
You can drop out of this 
scenario at any time and then 

1267
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,640
jump back into the into the 
game. 

1268
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,480
And that at that point it 
restores all the stuff, gives 

1269
01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:04,960
you appropriate gear for 
whatever level you're at when 

1270
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,800
you drop out of scenario. 
So that's a lot of stuff that's 

1271
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,720
good to get people back into the
game or get new players up to 

1272
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,560
speed and playing along with us.
And I really do like that. 

1273
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:21,960
I hope they let excuse me sorry,
I hope it's late. 

1274
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,880
I hope they let non returning 
players opt into these like 

1275
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,080
short and story modes because I 
think they will be neat to get 

1276
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,000
Blaster the story of 
Dragonflight or Blaster the the 

1277
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:36,080
abridged story of the war within
where I don't have to do this 

1278
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:42,000
eco Dome be quest that makes me 
want to throw my computer out a 

1279
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,200
window. 
Dude, don't do that. 

1280
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:46,760
You can ship the computer over 
to me. 

1281
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,240
My computer's a little a little 
rusty. 

1282
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,960
That said. 
Yeah, will my prey attack me in 

1283
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,360
the interrupt tutorial? 
That actually is the interrupt 

1284
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,280
tutorial. 
Yeah, it's it's just like, oh, 

1285
01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:02,560
actually we're going to throw 
one of the hardest world bots in

1286
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,920
the game at you alone. 
It's on Nightmare. 

1287
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:06,680
You're you're, you're doing this
thing. 

1288
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,360
They're like interrupt. 
You don't interrupt and then 

1289
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,920
your, your praise says you idiot
and then start stabbing at you. 

1290
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:17,160
That's the the failed case, but 
that's that's all for new 

1291
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,920
players and returning players, 
which is which is going to get 

1292
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:25,080
you caught up for midnight. 
We did also get a lot of 

1293
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,760
clarification about the raids 
because we were talking about 

1294
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,240
that last episode and looks like
we just need to wait a couple of

1295
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,120
days for them to actually tell 
us what the hell is going on. 

1296
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:35,880
Sean, I'm going to give this one
to you. 

1297
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:41,200
Yeah, the news delivery from 
games.com has been a massive 

1298
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,440
casserole of nonsense. 
It's been so scattered and 

1299
01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:48,360
difficult to track things down. 
There's live footage like 

1300
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,880
fireside chats on stage that 
just don't exist anymore. 

1301
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,320
They were live streamed and the 
Vods are gone and you can't find

1302
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,360
them. 
It's just wild. 

1303
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,520
I don't understand. 
Maybe. 

1304
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,160
Anyway, I was going to say 
something snarky about layoffs. 

1305
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,520
I'm not going to do that. 
It's just been very difficult to

1306
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,240
get news from games.com, but we 
got some news on the raids. 

1307
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,840
So as we mentioned, there are 
three raids that are coming at 

1308
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,760
the start of the tier. 2 of them
are launching at the same time. 

1309
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:19,920
So the Void Spire, which is the 
6th boss raid and the dream rift

1310
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,120
which is the one boss raid. 
Those are both launching at the 

1311
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:23,680
same time. 
Now let me walk you through the 

1312
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,640
launch pattern. 
So expansion goes live on 

1313
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,360
February 9th. 
That date is not confirmed. 

1314
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:35,520
That is a Sean prediction. 
Lock in February 9th raid goes, 

1315
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,320
the expansion goes live. 16th 
the latest February 9th 

1316
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:43,080
expansion goes live. 
We have one week of doing our 

1317
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:48,160
quests, vibe and chilling. 
I guess technically the 9th -3 

1318
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:49,480
days for early access or the 
6th. 

1319
01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:52,600
February 6th, early access 
starts February 9th. 

1320
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,120
Everybody doesn't have early 
access, gets to play. 

1321
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,320
You're vibe and you're chilling.
A week goes by, you're doing the

1322
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,200
campaign, you're getting all 
your blood off transmog, you're 

1323
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,040
faction changing, you're 
cursing. 

1324
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,440
You know how the launch was 
buggy or you're saying how the 

1325
01:16:05,480 --> 01:16:07,480
launch was great? 
We don't know, nobody knows. 

1326
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:13,000
You can't believe you need a 
9000 series X3D CPU now to run 

1327
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,200
midnight. 
Anyway, that week goes by, then 

1328
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:19,800
the raid launches. 
Once the raid launches we get 

1329
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,960
Heroic week. 
So that's a week where Normal 

1330
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,480
and Heroic are both open when 
Heroic week ends. 

1331
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,560
So normal and heroic. 
And that will be Void Spire and 

1332
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,880
Dream Rift when Heroic week 
ends. 

1333
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:38,480
This is now the third week we 
will get Mythic Void Spire and 

1334
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:41,520
Dream Rift. 
Now here's the issue. 

1335
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,320
The information they gave us was
that the March of Quo de Nos, 

1336
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:51,440
which is has heavy lore 
implications will launch a few 

1337
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:52,960
weeks. 
They said two to three weeks 

1338
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,640
after Void Spire. 
Now is that we don't know if 

1339
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,080
that's two to three weeks after 
heroic week or if that's two to 

1340
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,320
three weeks after Mythic week. 
OK, sorry. 

1341
01:17:03,480 --> 01:17:06,440
We're not entirely sure that 
there will be a heroic week. 

1342
01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:09,480
I wish I had the exact no, no 
locked in. 

1343
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,840
They did lock in. 
I from what I had heard from one

1344
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,920
again, somebody says something 
and then there's another 

1345
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,560
interview. 
There was a question directly 

1346
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,520
asked to them, will there be 
heroic week? 

1347
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:24,000
And one of the interviews that I
saw, they said we're not sure 

1348
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,960
yet and he leaned towards no. 
And so if you're saying they 

1349
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,280
locked in, then all right. 
Yeah, Ian locked it in, he said.

1350
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,480
You know, start of an expansion 
means we're bringing back Heroic

1351
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:37,840
Week because you don't have that
power gained from the previous 

1352
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,000
week. 
Yeah, Heroic Week definitely 

1353
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,920
exists. 
That's 100%. 

1354
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,840
Does it, does it exist for all 
of the rights then if we're 

1355
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,560
going to do staggered raid 
releases? 

1356
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,800
Well, only two of the raids will
get Heroic Week Void Spire and 

1357
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,240
Dream Rift because they're 
launching together. 

1358
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:58,080
March of Kel de Nos Quel de Nos 
won't get a heroic week because 

1359
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,200
it's launching mid season or not
mid season, but after the season

1360
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,640
it started. 
So the question people have is, 

1361
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,080
is it two weeks after heroic 
week? 

1362
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:06,840
Is it two weeks after mythic 
unlocks? 

1363
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:08,920
When? 
And they and really it's just 

1364
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:14,400
like just give us a date. 
Please let us know and we will 

1365
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:15,600
know. 
Like right now everybody's in a 

1366
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,760
tizzy over it because nobody 
knows any dates. 

1367
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,120
February 9th, right in the 
calendar. 

1368
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:23,760
Nobody knows any dates, but it's
February 9th and all, right. 

1369
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,520
That's it. 
I'm gonna, I'm gonna put my lock

1370
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,720
in two weeks that you said the 
16th, so 23rd Feb 20 third. 

1371
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,200
There we go. 
Rob, you're way late. 

1372
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,480
Sure. 
But you already said the the 

1373
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:35,920
16th, so I had to take the next 
week out. 

1374
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:36,680
Oh. 
That's right. 

1375
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,200
That's right. 
Yes. 

1376
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:40,760
We don't know what where that's 
gonna launch. 

1377
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:42,520
We're gonna find out. 
But where this has big 

1378
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,760
implications is the Race to Rule
First, which we started the show

1379
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,240
with. 
And it's kind of nice to bookend

1380
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:48,760
the show with this because the 
Race to Rule First typically 

1381
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,680
does on location events and 
they'll start with heroic week. 

1382
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,560
Well, if if March of Quel de Nos
doesn't come out until three 

1383
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:00,280
weeks after heroic week, that 
means the Raiders are going to 

1384
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:04,920
be on location for what, a 
month, which is a massive cost 

1385
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,600
issue. 
And they're the Raiders are not 

1386
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,000
military personnel. 
They're not used to being away 

1387
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,240
from home for long periods of 
time while deployed. 

1388
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:15,880
So it'll be really, really 
curious to see. 

1389
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:21,680
I am expecting that we get more 
online only race to world 1st 

1390
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,400
events next season, the start of
the start of the race. 

1391
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,960
Because logistically it'll just 
make more sense. 

1392
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:33,200
And maybe it'll be the case of 
the first two raids are online 

1393
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,440
only and then when March of Quel
de Nos goes live then they do 

1394
01:19:36,440 --> 01:19:39,200
like a one week on location for 
those. 

1395
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:41,920
And then the question is well 
what is the race to rule first? 

1396
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,200
Is it whoever kills the last 
boss of Quel de Nos first? 

1397
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:51,120
Is it whichever Guild kills more
bosses first, like the last boss

1398
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,800
of Void Spire and the last boss 
of Cualdonas, but they lose the 

1399
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,720
dream rift? 
It's going to be yeah, it's 

1400
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,520
going to be wild. 
Can I all of that, though? 

1401
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:01,600
Yeah. 
Now you don't care that it that 

1402
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,440
it affects the race of work. 
You shouldn't because it's 

1403
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:05,200
probably going to be really good
for the player. 

1404
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:08,760
No, I was. 
I was going to be a hitter, a 

1405
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,440
Blizzard actually, and I was 
going to say my take away from 

1406
01:20:12,440 --> 01:20:18,200
this whole thing is they have 
lost way too much historic 

1407
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,800
knowledge. 
This feels like people who have 

1408
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,560
not been releasing expansions 
for years are just like, you 

1409
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,280
know, we really cool guys. 
What if we like did the first 

1410
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,480
cinematic in like this 2 hour 
long event? 

1411
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:35,600
Like, hey guys, what if, what if
we like released the raids and 

1412
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,400
it would OK, Like at first 
they're like we're all going to 

1413
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,240
release them together and then 
they started getting pushed back

1414
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:40,800
and they're like, no, we won't 
release them together. 

1415
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,080
We're going to do 1. 
Like I, I don't know, like 2 to 

1416
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:46,200
three weeks after like this 
feels the the fact that they 

1417
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,600
changed how they were going to 
do gear in the middle of a 

1418
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:53,040
convention like absurdity. 
What's that happening? 

1419
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:58,120
It feels to me like they they 
brought back people who used to 

1420
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,640
work on the game long ago and 
those people are saying, you 

1421
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,560
know what was really cool? 
That we didn't Mop, we had three

1422
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,720
raids launched at once. 
It's going to be epic. 

1423
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,080
Yeah, that's how it feels to me,
is that people that are supposed

1424
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:14,440
to be coming back to be saviors 
are just trying to recreate the 

1425
01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:17,720
things that worked for them in 
The Burning Crusade or Wrath of 

1426
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,760
the Lich King or miss a Pandaria
before they handed the reins 

1427
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,960
over and left the company and 
then came back to be our 

1428
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:24,920
saviors. 
That's how it feels to me. 

1429
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:30,400
But I don't know. 
I, I don't, I don't feel like 

1430
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:34,400
Metson's making those calls. 
If Metson was like somebody that

1431
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,680
would the, the, the like vague 
sort of mold that you threw out 

1432
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:42,440
there. 
I'm just saying I also. 

1433
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:43,680
Was it a good Metson impression 
though? 

1434
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:47,840
Was the impression good? 
It wasn't good enough to be 

1435
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:49,440
legally inviting, I'll say that 
much. 

1436
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:56,360
I do think, though, that a lot 
of people have been saying like,

1437
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:00,600
oh, I do miss when they had 
these, these raids, the layer of

1438
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,200
Malthurian or whatever, right? 
Like they, they were getting 

1439
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,160
that feedback and they for a 
while they weren't doing that. 

1440
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,400
They're like, you know what, 
fine, first rate of of of a 

1441
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,520
tear. 
It doesn't matter as much. 

1442
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,440
Let's let's do something like 
this. 

1443
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,320
And you're right. 
What's going to count for the 

1444
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:22,320
race the world first? 
You know what Blizzard has said 

1445
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:26,200
that they don't design with the 
race the world first in mind and

1446
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,600
people keep saying oh they cater
to this group, they cater to 

1447
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,760
that group, they whatever. 
You're right, this is going to 

1448
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,880
be a logistical nightmare for 
those race the world first 

1449
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:39,160
teams. 
They are more likely going to 

1450
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:43,160
have to do do part if not all of
this remotely. 

1451
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:48,560
And it will depend on like how 
quickly they can even clear 

1452
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:55,160
through the 1st 7 bosses. 
Because if they are like taking 

1453
01:22:55,160 --> 01:23:00,840
let's say 12 days to clear 
through the 1st 7 bosses and 

1454
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:07,680
then they've got to pick up and 
like get to location that like 

1455
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,280
I'm not saying it's impossible. 
I'm saying that eats into their 

1456
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:12,960
prep time. 
They want to be re farming this 

1457
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,080
these raids and stuff getting 
ready. 

1458
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:21,160
We have no idea if there's tear 
in this opening raids and if so,

1459
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,400
which bosses are dropping them. 
Like there's a lot of things 

1460
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,840
that could like drastically 
change things. 

1461
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,040
What does that mean for the 
Great Vault for those of us at 

1462
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,880
home? 
If Tear doesn't show up in the 

1463
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:39,920
raid until the March on Call 
donos opens up, can I still get 

1464
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:43,520
charges in my catalyst before 
that opens up? 

1465
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,440
Is it going to drop in the Great
Vault before that opens up? 

1466
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,120
There's a lot of things to even 
think about there. 

1467
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:59,720
So like, I don't know, there's 
like it's going to be a lot of 

1468
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,880
questions, a lot of logistical 
issues for those of us at home, 

1469
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,960
for those of the people who are 
doing the race to World first, 

1470
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:12,480
There are going to be a lot of 
questions even about like how 

1471
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:16,600
they're doing the reward design 
in the boss drop tables. 

1472
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:23,520
Like, am I going to suddenly 
have to create a new best in 

1473
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,160
slot list two weeks later, 
because now these trinkets are 

1474
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,440
available and to be ready for 
this, I should have done the 

1475
01:24:30,440 --> 01:24:32,680
best in slot trinkets from this 
raid. 

1476
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,840
And now that this is opened, 
well, I've got to start farming 

1477
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:40,360
this. 
I I think that yes, boohoo, race

1478
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:44,080
the world first, but we're all 
kind of sinking in this Titanic 

1479
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,360
boat or just enjoying the chaos 
together. 

1480
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:48,680
Not me. 
I'm on that door. 

1481
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,040
I'm floating away to fellowship 
land. 

1482
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,640
Well, I, I, I do hope that you 
enjoy Fellowship. 

1483
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,800
I will complain about it's so 
little downtime between tears 

1484
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,200
that I don't get to enjoy other 
games as much. 

1485
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:08,920
I got to, I got to jump on and 
play peek. 

1486
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,920
My friend bought that for me and
I was like, oh, I really want to

1487
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,400
play it. 
Oh, I can't even raid tonight 

1488
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:20,080
because my computer screwed up, 
but you know, such is life. 

1489
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:27,000
That said, guys, we have links 
to the software download as well

1490
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,760
as another couple of interviews 
in our show notes. 

1491
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:35,120
Those are available in the 
discord at bit dot LY slash fast

1492
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:39,160
discord when this show goes 
live, and we will be talking 

1493
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:43,280
about all say as many of the 
other systems as we can in 

1494
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:46,200
future episodes as well as 
because news is coming out so 

1495
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:50,040
quickly, we're going to have 
some bonus episodes to try and 

1496
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:54,000
get into other details about the
upcoming expansion as well. 

1497
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:58,400
So look out for for all of that 
coming towards you in the near 

1498
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,440
future. 
And until next time, may all 

1499
01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:02,480
your hits be quits.