So people are talking about like what kind of playable races that
we're going to get and they're like, OK, so like we got the
earth in. Is this going to be where every
single thing that we came across is going to be player playable
races? We got the ears for the for the
humans can now have elf ears and so forth.
And people are wondering when we're going to get the here and
there. And so this person says, I don't
think that they should wait too long to add Orinia and her
people as an allied race. If they wait too long to release
them, Blizzard is going to hear a Heron air fill.
I got to go, I got to, I got to go.
I forgot I had something, something I had to do.
I can't remember what it was not not be here mostly for.
The Forsaken. For Lauderon for.
The Karen Tour for Pandaria for Calendar.
To the burning region for Gilnaeus, but has not died for
the Lich King for the. Sindora for the alliance.
For the horn for Azeroth. Welcome to For Azeroth.
I am one of your hosts, The Truth in Many, and I am joined
of course, by the Triumphant joining me from the US of A, it
is Lex Rance. Hello Lex, how is your week in
World of Warcraft going? It's going well, Manny.
I got myself in some delves, although I did, I spent so much
time trying to get my keys because I'm like, I need to get
my bountiful coffer so I can do my bountiful delves and I can
get my eights. And then I went in the first
Delve and I forgot that it was a new season and so it started to
be in Tier 4 and I was like, all right, I got to grind up.
That's exciting. But it was fun and I got myself
back running around killing things, you know, human all
around, getting my bountiful coffers and I'm bopping.
Nice, nice. OK.
And Sean, yo, Season 2 has begun.
What I, I mean, I am assuming that you've locked in.
How has the World of Warcraft like, I guess this is kind of
the initial story, but how's the World of Warcraft been treating
you? What has Season 2, at least
these first two days, been for in the world of Sean?
We got we went eight of eight normal on Tuesday.
By the time listeners are hearing this I'll have KSM and
basically just grinding dungeons till my eyes bleed.
Right now I haven't even done the story quests because there's
no power tied to it. I haven't done the story quest
but we are blasting. Keys are feeling really good
this season. My pattern currently is like 2
chest to six, deplete an 8, maybe time A7 or deplete A7 and
then two just a six and then rinse and repeat.
I've had as a recording. I've had six Priory of the
sacred flames. We Mike, He was the one we chose
to push it. It has been.
It has been a six Priory once and A7 Priory five times.
Every time we get it's so wild. Every time I I deplete Nate I
get A7 Priory. I am really good at that dungeon
right now. Sean, I, I hate, I hate to
interrupt the flow, but just because I'd want something to do
this for somebody to do this for me.
You did see the shadow just pulled something off of your.
Counter. I'll be right back.
Manny, how's your week been? OK, I'll, I'll talk a little bit
about my week. So I, I guess I'm more in the
Lex camp of things. I mean, I did the storyline and
everything and then I went into Dells and yes, it's a new season
going to start up Dells from the, from the get go.
And so like I, I went through and I grinded all the way up and
then so now I'm doing the bountiful elevens because I want
to try and get that stuff done. And then I also tried the
underpin boss, the lower level, not the the higher level.
I'm glad I'm doing it early in the season because now it's an
actual challenge and this is fun.
This is like the OK. I I don't quite have enough
damage to like burst that shield as fast as I want.
The bombs. I think the bombs are the most
annoying thing. If you guys recall the mother
lode first boss where it drops those bomb footballs and you
have to like kick those back into to the boss.
This is annoying because the boss will like run to me stack
on top of the the bombs and so I can't kick the bombs as easily.
It's really annoying. So like I'm just trying to do
what I can. I haven't, I have not beat it
yet as of this recording. I'll probably not do it by the
time people are listening to this because I'm back in the
editor seat. So I'll, I'll try and push this
through quickly. I haven't started Mythic plus.
I actually found now a start of a static group.
So we start running on Sundays and I'll be doing keys.
I did like 1 mythic 0 to do that quest.
That's like, oh, please complete the new dungeon.
So that I put I did the dungeon. I haven't done any Mythic plus.
I will I will push through with that.
But yeah, it's mostly being just trying to go through.
So yes, we had our first night of raid.
We ended up starting late because some people had to work
late. We didn't have everybody for
this week. We got to the 7th boss.
The mugsy got a few attempts on on that and hopefully we will
clean that up before the end of the week and get some pushes
into Heroic. I am really loving this raid
thus far, but I know different people have different raid
nights. So Lex, I believe you raid
Thursdays. I do raid Thursdays so I'm very,
very excited and I'm trying to pull out who my blind bosses are
so I can tell you guys who not to tell me about.
Not that we not that we discuss Strat usually, but just in case
somebody was thinking about discussing Strat you can't tell
me about. Oh Lord wow.
We're not good at making our announcements clear.
Have you jumped in? Have you jumped into LFR at all?
No, I all I have done is some delves and a little bit of story
and some jobs. And I will say I'm starting to
understand what you guys are saying about undermine feeling
really overwhelming just because of the number of things to do.
And like I always have. I, I'm sure there's a way to
turn this off that I'm just too stupid to figure out, But I
always have that dumb little green arrow over my head because
I was like doing a job and I'm like, actually, I'm going to go
do something else. I don't want to actually do 10
jobs in a row. I have other things to do with
my life. And then everywhere I go, it's
like big green arrow, big green arrow.
And I'm like I don't want to do. Yeah, you could turn, you could
turn that off by. You could turn it off by just
hitting five. Are you serious?
It's on your. It's on your.
Yeah. So like 5?
5. No, no, no.
So when you are in the car, in your drive vehicle, there's the
remote, there's a remote job thing and that's what's, that's
what's currently active. You just need to press it again
while you're in your in your G9 breakneck vehicle to shut it
off. There's also an item that should
be in your bags that is the remote job thing and you can use
that also to turn that. Off Oh, is that why my bags are
always full? Because I have this one remote
job thing and that's taking up the one slot in my bag that I'd
expect to be able to use for like Crest items.
Yeah. Yeah.
OK. That makes sense.
I will say I will say honking the horn in my car has not
gotten old. I am learning to drive it a
little bit slower so I don't hate it and I'm still.
But anytime I I hit the gas I'm just running around banging on
that horn and I'm sure that everyone around me hates me but
I'm having the time of my life. I had a slight change of heart
on the car. I don't I switched to the
engine. That's just a picture of a
bouquet of flowers. I assume it's like stop a smell
of flowers mode and it's considerably slower top speed
but it has made me not hate the car so I still most of the time
just regular ground mount because it's key bound to my my
mount button and the car isn't too campy.
But yeah, I still find the zone really sort of overwhelming.
Have you tried hitting the horn repeatedly when you drive the
car? I have not.
I have not tried hitting the horn getting together.
Sean, just like one feature of the car that's objectively
incredible and it's the fact that you could just slam on the
damn board and I'm sure that'll be less over stimulating, right?
Because what you're thinking while you're driving around this
like really overwhelming and over stimulating area that
you're telling me is very upsetting and and it's hard to
feel like you can focus on anything is what I really need
is some more noise. Yeah, yeah.
OK. What I need to do is amp that
volume. By the way, I have learned to
love the car. Now that I have learned the
drift, it's I I'm just running around the city just being like
we drift everywhere. I still need to make that we
core. That said, we have a lot that
we're going to get more impressions of as we go through
the season of the raids of the Delves and everything, and we'll
get more into those. But like as I said, some of us
haven't even had a chance to step into the raid yet.
This is very early. So I'd like to shift the
conversation a bit to our first bit of news.
And do we have a world first Galliwick's kill?
Wait, no, that's not right, Sean.
Sean, do you want to tell us what in the world is happening?
Yeah, so today as of recording, so Wednesday, the Silver Moon
server, EU Silver Moon has had haven't been having connection
issues all day long and nobody really knew why or what was
going on. But at one point this afternoon
a server wide message went out that said congratulations to I
don't have the guild's name in front of me.
Something something QA squad or something like that.
Hold on, I can get it. So they were announced as having
a kill for Chrome King Galliwicks and being the 1st in
the Hall of Fame and 1st kill worldwide.
And they were officially at the time of their Galliwicks kill
they were two of eight mythic. So this Guild whose average item
level was like 479, they were all freshly boosted characters
on fresh accounts, apparently went into the raid, killed the
first boss. However they killed it had some
exploit that got them to Galliwicks and were able to kill
him. And obviously Blizzard has come
up and said hey, this was a they used an internal spell to do
this as was not intended. We're removing the kill, we're
taking actions against the osiada yada.
But here's my question if what they did to kill Galliwicks
didn't one shot him and instead because sometimes, most times
when a when a boss has a secret mythic phase, they'll hit a
health point where it triggers and then it always triggers and
then they could go on afterwards.
If this team got in there and did this exploit and were able
to trigger a secret mythic phase which everybody expects there
is, they might now have information that would be of
worth quite amount of money to world first race teams if they
recorded this. So it's the next point that was
done, but I wonder if that footage will be bought by any of
the racing. Teams, that is very scary.
That is fruit of the tainted tree.
I'm hoping, you know, on one hand, I've got hope in another
hand. Would that count?
It's not how how is it, It's to watch somebody's VOD.
Well, to watch the VOD of somebody who like.
Yeah, you're benefiting from an exploit, but you're not
exploiting yourself. So you yourself are not
exploiting, you're just benefiting from an exploit.
It is technically. I'm just watching the video
we've. Just got the question.
Technically fine. It's actually fine.
It is morally bankrupt. And if the team wins by doing
this and like honestly, they could probably sell it to like
the top four or five teams running to and sell it over and
over and over again or be like pay us more or we're going to,
we're going to sell it to your competitor.
Like it. It could be a bidding war, could
be a bunch of things if this exists and.
I think if it does exist Blizzard should just release a
video themselves. Just be like, oh you want to get
money off your exploit? They wouldn't know.
Why would why would they tell
Blizzard that they're trying to do this profiteering?
Well, first of all, don't most of the like like Max for
example, is pretty like gets a lot of benefit from Blizzard
right? Am I tripping out not benefits
That sounds wrong but like he's clearly.
Connected. There's goodwill.
There's goodwill between him and Blizzard.
So there there would be an inherent benefit of those teams
to report bad behavior to Blizzard because like the other
thing is they could, you know, it, It's it's if you're not.
I mean, honestly, I would feel skeezy if I learned that team
won because they bought a video from somebody who didn't
exploit. I don't know, maybe I'm a baby.
How is that different from watching video of your
competitor who's playing ahead of you?
Because then everyone has. I think everyone should have
access to the same like either people should earn information
themselves or they should have. Everyone should have access to
the same information. So if your competitors playing
that game, then they inherently have access to the same
information that you have because you're watching them.
If you get your foot in the door first, you have access that
information because you earned it.
If you spend money to get information from somebody who is
only giving that information to certain people, and who got that
information through an exploit, not through earning it, that
feels skeevy. Well, yeah, it's skeevy, but
like, let me just say this. Say this 2 two points to this
one is that teams go dark and race the world first all the
time to deny information to their competitors.
So they're totally fine. They aren't black boxing
information. Yeah, that's totally OK, right?
They aren't. They are not through their own
work, but continue. Two, this very tier, multiple
people found an exploit to get into the renowned track and push
that this this tier, which was clearly the next point.
So they're not above using exploits directly those two
together, right? As long as they field they OK.
It wasn't, but like it was unintended bug.
I apologize. Not a direct exploit.
They did it and they the people who found it reported it right
away and Blizzard reset it. Like it wasn't like they were
trying to hide it. They reported to Blizzard.
Hey this is you can if you go into the raid early you could
talk to this guy. I will say I think the bigger
and maybe I'm maybe I'm looking for problems.
I think that there's something to be said though that it feels
like this patch has been messier than like this bugs at the
beginning of a patch, but I feel like this patch has been messier
than most patches. Am I making that up?
Wasn't there like a big one in? There was. 1.
There, Yeah, there was one patch in in recent times that launched
and you couldn't do Mythic Plus at all.
They had to turn Mythic Plus off.
So it's I, I, I every patch that comes out, somebody makes a
tweet that says this is the buggiest patch we've had ever,
because recency bias, that's how we feel.
And every time that tweet comes out lo fi banshee on Twitter
posts a response with like a list of other patches that were
recent that were completely worse.
It's like in this patch you couldn't upgrade any gear for
two weeks. In this patch, you couldn't do
anything plus for three. That's why.
So it is subjective. I I agree it does feel actually
other than the latency, I haven't I haven't really noticed
any issues myself. But I know people have said
there are issues. But again, all my time is spent
in dungeons. So no, but he, so here's my,
here's my, my, I don't want to say rebuttal.
It's not a rebuttal. But here's here's where my head
is. These teams are companies.
They're organizations who make money and they make more money
when they win. Do they not have a
responsibility to themselves and the players to do everything
they can to make sure they win? And if not necessarily
everything they can to make sure they win?
You have to assume your competitors are going to do this
too. So now you're going in and
you're, if you decide not to pursue getting this, this
footage, you're actively saying I'm OK if the other team has an
advantage over me because I would expect that the other team
is going to do it because I would do anything to win.
So if I was in their position. First of all, can I just say if
you do go into that with the mindset of my, the other team
has an advantage and I'm just going to tolerate it because I'm
a more honest player. Boss shit.
Sorry, Manny, but I mean first, like I, I, I guess I would argue
that when it comes to competitive games, not just
competitive gaming, but competitive games in general, I
think that the obligation is not to attempt to win by any means
necessary. It's to have an in like to to
present to the audience watching an interesting and exciting and
honest game, right? If, if the the goal was to win
by any means necessary, then every team should be looking for
opportunities to cheat at every time, right?
If that's the the ultimate moral goal of a team engaging in a
sport is to win. I and I think that we all kind
of agree. That's not, and I, I, I guess
it's fuzzy because like I, I hear you that like what's the
rule that's being broken? And that's why I think the
Blizzard knows the back door that these people went in.
And they probably like if, if, if they did find like, I, I
can't imagine that nobody was recording that a video of that
even just for their own funsies, right?
So I think that if Blizzard knows that based on the back
door that they went in, there is likely a VOD of the secret
mythic phase. I think they should release it.
I think Blizzard should release it.
I think that like not like the step by step how to do it, but
I'm sure that there's a Blizzard employee who did testing who has
video of the secret mythic phase put it.
Up I I suspect I mean like in terms of what Blizzard can do
yes like these these big guilds, these these orgs have
connections with Blizzard. It would be fine for Blizzard to
be like we know a video is floating out out there.
We're giving you all just like a quick video that of when we were
testing it so that they have saying you don't, you don't have
to buy it just to cut the the seller off at the the knees.
Yes, right, and to like give some level playing field to the
to the race in general. But I would hand that video out
behind closed doors and I would be handing it out to like the
teams that are like, you know, the top five teams when the
first team reaches there, right? Be like, Hey, guys, just so you
know, once once the first team reaches there, we're going to
give you this video, right, and give and let the top five teams
know beyond the top five teams. I don't think anybody else is
going to care to buy that video because they will see the other
team streaming it. So they don't need they don't
need it and they're not going to catch up anyways.
And I think that's how you you limit the information because
some people don't want to see the hidden, the hidden phase
before before getting there. But like the more the most
competitive teams. Sure.
All right, you know what? Fortunately this is how we're
going to do it. But like, these are new accounts
that were in Grays that was like a four man.
It wasn't even a full raid team. It was a four man team in Grays
that busted like wall hack to get through there because they
only killed 2 bosses out of the 8 bosses.
So they didn't work their way through it, right?
So like. What footage they provide is
going to be incredibly limited. Right?
Like they would have gotten squashed as soon as they tried
to tank. Yeah, that that's also kind of
why I, I think that a lot of this depends on what Blizzard
knows they actually did to exploit their way in.
Because I like even even if you only have like the last 30
seconds of a kill, a myth like a, a heroic boss is difficult to
like get that final, you know, push done right.
So I, I do kind of think they've probably exploited it to death.
Like I, I think that it probably wasn't like you type in the
number and you go in and it's like, like I, I, I think they
just. Yeah, no, they definitely, it
was definitely exploited. They used an internal spell.
Blizzard released a blue post on it.
They they were using an internal spell to to to kill these
bosses. But when bosses have a mythic
phase, like you'll see the start of that phase it it would get to
it and then stop, right? It it hard, hard triggers it,
like with gold Diane or with the jailer.
You can't one shot those bosses because it triggers their mythic
phase no matter what. Gotcha.
I don't know how you you wouldn't be able to see the
mythic phase play out like as if you were a team pulling it.
But any information you can get is is good information, right?
Yeah. That's why I would say like it's
limited the information they can give because like and they use a
command. The let's say the mythic phase
starts at 20%. If the boss doesn't drop to 0,
the boss hits that 20 wall. It hard stops for a second, it
jumps into the phase and then they they would have to then use
the ability again because again, fresh, fresh Max level
characters in greys. They're going to start getting
one shot. You're barely going to see
anything and then still secure that kill.
And they were probably going in to be like, hey, let's do this
to show that we can not, not to like, try and exploit as much
money unless they were using multiple commands, including
like, make all our characters invincible so the boss doesn't
do damage so that we could sell this.
But that's a lot more control. And then Blizzard also needs to
like, he's probably going to have to go and be like, OK, we
need to change these commands so they can't be be used at this
level, that sort of stuff to like lock this stuff down.
Because also selling the use of those commands is also a very
big thing as well. So there's a lot of security and
how they got this that needs to be looked at.
Tinfoil hat theory we did. We find out it was one of the
top three teams that paid these guys to exploit to get the
footage. Oh, OK.
I, I will say, I will say on the one hand, I think that the moral
obligation of team competitive sports is to give a good show to
the the viewers, right? That's something I will live and
die on. I will say some Fun Tea is also
a good show. Like I'm going to say flat out
that the moral imperative of these organizations doesn't
exist because they are these big orgs.
They are not the grassroots teams that they used to be.
They are, they are international orgs that are running multiple
games with multiple teams. And so like their priority is to
make capital their their priority beyond that is to get
first place because that serves their primary capital, which is
their primary goal, which is to get capital.
So like, it's not just that they have the dilemma where that Sean
pointed out where it's like, hey, if we don't take this
advantage, somebody else is going to.
And if two teams do, we can't be like, hey, we're the 1st place
Moral Guild, but we're 4th overall.
Like it's just it doesn't sell, right?
Like. It's just sponsors don't care.
Can I, can I sell, do a quick little hot take That's I'm sure
you guys are gonna just absolutely demolish within 3
seconds of it coming out of my mouth.
If you've already defeated yourself, go ahead.
I'm so excited. I think that given that E sports
and I also, by the way, before anyone says that I have read
plain ice, I know that this is kind of attempted a little bit.
I get it, I get it, but because E sports are at this point an
actual sport, right, A a professional sport to the degree
that it is, I think that the race world first should have
some degree of the protections that at least American sports
have. I know that the British are
going to be like you guys do what, but where teams have a
certain amount of money and they're capped with that amount
of money that they can use to pay for for different players.
There's things like drafts where people are getting, you know,
traded between teams, especially since in this case, it wouldn't
be as harmful as like, you know, or not harmful, but like as
disruptive as a draft in physical sports where you have
to physically move to your new city since it's all video games
and make it so that teams that are competing for these, you
know, the race world first or other things like that have
equalizing factors. Partially because Oh my God, I
am so sick. I am so sick of the names liquid
and echo. If, if, if nobody else can even
actively realistically compete, Like if everyone else is
meaningful for the first like 2 rounds and then immediately
wipes out. It's not a sport, It's a, it's a
reality show kind of right. Like, come on, give me actual
competition. Give me like Genuine, you know,
Oh, we don't know who's gonna like, let me root for another
team and have that not be like, genuinely just ridiculously
stupid, right? Make it an actual sport with
actual team dynamics that make it so that people who are not
one of the two top teams have an actual shot of winning
sometimes. The only way that can happen,
and it can happen, but the only way that can happen is for
Blizzard to internalize the race to World.
First you need an overarching body and then yes, Echo can be
in there and and Liquid can be in there and that can happen.
But like that doesn't work most of the time.
The Overwatch League is a very prime example of Blizzard trying
to do something like that and it not working.
They had seeded teams in a bunch of cities and you had like the
fireflies and like whatever team in your local city and they
tried to make it the same way and there wasn't enough return
on investment for them to like support that.
Like it has to be these outside orgs that are playing across
multiple games. And in that, in that scenario,
yeah, they will drop teams and they will drop entire games
because they're like, yeah, we don't get the the return
investment. So it's either Microsoft and
Blizzard by proxy putting up a lot of cash to keep four teams
afloat, or the teams will continue to cannibalize
themselves. Like like over the course of
World of Warcraft, these teams have cannibalized themselves,
getting the best players to to centralized until we've reached
the point where it is basically one major team in each region
and that's it. Yeah, but wouldn't it be fun?
I mean, technically it wouldn't have to be Blizzard.
The teams could, if they decided to give me a better show, they
could. And I, I, you could, I, I, it
probably wouldn't actually work, but I could try very hard to
make a very good financial argument for why the teams would
benefit. Because, you know, if there's
actual, the more competition there is, the more sponsors you
can get, the more people are actually going to want to tune
in, the more interesting it is to watch.
So hypothetically, you could say that, you know, these teams
could go together and decide within themselves to make an
organizing body and it would be so much more fun to watch.
I, I would have a side episode about this cause like, there's,
there's a lot in there, but I, I do want to give Sean the final
word. You and I have been going back
and forth on this. Sean, what, what do you got to
say on this? I agree.
Like it would be awesome if there was like a league and
teams and drafts. And the biggest hurdle is there
is very little money in Warcraft E sports, whether that be NBITGP
or AWC or the race world first in which there's so little that
there's only really two teams that could be supported by it.
Like BD, there was a 13 BDG or well three teams of include
method. We had four teams at one point.
But BDG I'm pretty sure lost all of their backing because there's
so little money to be made in sponsoring A-Team.
That's not first. So then nobody puts money into
it. For us to have a league, there
would have to be an overarching source of income.
Like the NFL has owners. It's not the the league itself
is owned by the owners of the teams.
So we would need to have people of massive wealth own these orgs
and then make a league from it and then generate rules based on
that. And well, I think it would be
great. I think most of the people in
these orgs are not wealthy to the point that they could do
that. So what ultra wealthy person
wants to marry me so that we can I can use your money to develop
this system and also to do good for the world?
And you can't be evil, which means you probably don't have
enough money to do this. OK, I ruined.
It I'm an ultra wealthy. If you are interested in
marrying Lex though, go ahead and join us in the discord LY
slash. Fast Discord No and no.
Let us know, just DM her directly with a picture of your
bank statement. Oh yeah, do that.
Include your social, make sure that that's on there somewhere
and your full number and your PIN.
And if you're already in the fast discord and ultra wealthy
then you can DM me. Or Azrov does not condone trophy
husbands. Sean will not be rented out at
on any case, nor will Lex let me make sure that I am covering.
All of that I'm saying I want to get get married to somebody so I
can use their money to make like other than that, it'll just be,
you know, I'll get a kind of nightly an OK house.
I don't even want a nice house. I just want like an average
house and then spend all of my time developing the E sports.
OK, so moving from 1 horrific future into another, yes, we've
got news about 11 point 1.5, which includes the return of
Horrific Visions. Now, Sean, I know so many times
you have said Horrific Visions were one of the best, if not the
best piece of content that World of Warcraft has to offer.
So I know that this is great for you.
Tell us what's happening in 11 point 1.5, and of course start
with that. Heroic Visions.
This. So the Blizzard released a
article, a post, a look to the future about what's coming at 11
point 1.5 and Horrific Visions, which is what I thought I was
going to be most excited about, ended up being the thing I am
second most excited about. Horrific Visions are coming
back. It is back in Stormwater and
Orgamar now. I get it.
These types of things are going to reusing stuff.
We can't be upset that they're using stuff.
We want content. They're giving us content, even
if it's an updated to it, it doesn't mention anything about
the cloak or the part of what made her revisions fun was the
insanity portion of it, where you needed the power up that
cloak and in order to stay longer and then the more stuff
that you stacked on, the harder it became.
So that's not coming back. But they are bringing the masks
back, which added difficulty to the horrific visions.
So I'm excited for that and it says that you can go alone in
them to experience it or if you need help in a party.
So alone or in a party or you can also include a companion
from a construct of Soridormy. So I guess you can bring in a
brand to help you in these. Maybe this will.
Shut up and stop dragging ass. Maybe.
Did you do the opening to the season 2 of delves where you
play as brand and the only action buttons you have are to
tell your companion not to stand in the webs?
No, I. Mean, I love that your companion
is also Johnny Awesome. He's just.
Like who? Could we possibly hate more than
Brand right now? Johnny Awesome.
But something that is surprising to me is that the Herded Fisher
actually going to drop gear up to heroic difficulty.
But I want to be super clear for everybody.
It's coming out with 11 point 1.5.
This is a catch up mechanic so please don't expect to get some
deep lore cuts out of Stormwind and Orgermar that you know
unveiling some secret of bonus off.
It's a it's a .5 patch with ketchup mechanic gear.
Please please lore fans. Except that this exists.
I'm going to have a very. I think I'm going to put out
some form of long form COM content that is about story.
But separate from this, I like that they're adding in
additional mass. I like that you can gain
cosmetics from the past as well as new cosmetics.
And like with the with the mass, like remember, you could like
for those who don't remember, rather you got to the highest
difficulty, you could put on mass to add in these additional
challenges. And you could put on multiple
masks. And if you put on all the masks,
there was an achievement for beating both the storm inversion
and the orgimar version with all the masks on, because the masks
added additional, I, I guess affixes.
They were, they were kind of like proto affixes.
So new masks or new affixes. And in fact, that means that
like, hey, maybe you stack them up to like, let's say it's three
more masks. So you have like 8 masks going
and you're like, OK, this is this to me means that like,
yeah, you don't need to necessarily grind your cloak to
get the additional difficulty. You can just unlock mask and
then that's the increase in difficulty.
So this will go to like it's not quite linear increase in
difficulty because you could wear mask A and mask B, or you
could wear just mask A or just mask B or mask A and C and so
forth. So like there's permutations of
that. And of course, like some guide
writers going to be like, well, this is the hardest one and this
is the easiest one. And these are with everything in
between. But like we'll leave that for
some other content created to create the tier list.
I do think that this will be great to like give that extra.
Difficulty. They do mention that sanity that
you're like. The sanity is still a thing you
have to balance. Yeah, so started as like as if
you had a Max cloak. So you have like that is your
base point or whatever their base point is.
You're not just you're not going to.
I think one of the reasons that people originally disliked this
was. Because they're bad.
No, because it was a required grind.
That was a chore that you had to do in order to get into the raid
and so like it as its own play loop, I think is a great play
loop. It was so much fun and if you
enjoyed that, it wasn't really a chore.
But for the people who just wanted to raid or had limited
time, this was a dish. This was like Tor gas, Tor Gas.
I loved when you just did it for the fun.
I loved how it ended up when I never had to actually go there.
I was just doing it to like get the cosmetics and stuff.
I hated it when it was like this weekly.
OK, I have to push further. I have to push further.
And I think that's what the same thing that happened with
Visions. It was because it was so much
part of that system that people didn't like it.
And I'm really glad to see it come back.
But Lex, did you play a lot during Cataclysm or not?
Cataclysm, Sorry, I apologize a lot.
When did this come out? BFA.
Yeah, I did. I don't.
I remember doing horrific visions.
I think for me, it really was kind of a like required chore.
And I think that that was kind of when I was hitting a bit of a
raid logging point. So I'm excited to get a chance
to because now that I've heard Sean talk endlessly about how
lovely and perfect horrific visions are, I'm excited to get
a chance to try them again and see how you know and, and also
get to have fun. And I will say I do really like
solo content. I'm finding, I'm also finding
that it's a great thing to do if you work from home because you
can just, you know, pop into a little little thing.
Not that I'd ever do that, boss. Don't worry about it.
I've never committed time. Alex's boss, if you're
listening, I've never seen her online on bnet during working
hours, Yeah. Never.
I would never do that. I would never do that.
Not on Wow. Mostly, it's a rumble.
But if you have access to any footage of the Galliwick's
mythic, I could potentially provide logs of Lexus being at
usage through the working day. You can reach me at bit dot
Hawaii slash fast Discord. Well, Manny, see, The thing is
that now now we all know that everyone's a liar because,
Manny, I haven't played Rumble in, like, months.
Oh, wow. OK, yeah.
I mean, it's ruined. There you go.
But you're you're looking forward to this.
I mean that you're going to be getting old cosmetics along with
the new cosmetics if you're you were really just doing it to
power up your cloak. Yeah, I'm very excited, although
I'm also really excited to hear what Sean's most exciting thing
was. OK.
Was actually. There's actually.
Three things in this list that I was excited about.
The first one, so first thing I'll just say there's a new
scenario coming. You get a new faction, you're
going to do some fighting and get some trans mug great helping
the Rathi. Not excited about that one.
Number two was terrific Visions. We talked about that.
I'll tell you what the third thing I'm excited about is, and
then I'll tell you the thing I'm most excited about the third.
UI upgrades. Which I think is neat is the UI
updates and but the UI updates specifically is that they're
introducing a cooldown manager. Everybody and their dog uses
weak or A packs right now to track their cooldowns in the
center of their bar. Or you use what was it called?
Tap a talk Build-a-bear. Kelly, tell me.
When tell me when you tell me when people use tell me when to
make their own Blizzard, it sounds like is implementing
their own way to make a week or a package to track your
cooldowns and you can personalize with the other mode.
I'm excited with that. Listen, I'm all for if Blizzard
can get to the I just if you're listening Fasdev my 1:00 ask the
biggest, not the biggest, because there's lots of things
that need to be added to make the UI, the Blizzard UI better
than add-ons do not require add-ons, but one of the number
one things I have to ask is let me turn my nameplate frames off.
I just wanted to be a bar with health and a name.
I don't need the picture. I don't need the bubble and I
understand it's gorgeous. Near king did a great job with
it. A lot of people like that.
I don't need that. Let me turn that off.
Let me just I wrote a small add on myself that that deleted that
portion in the war within beta anyway, it doesn't matter.
Dragonfly beta not important. What is important?
Fasdev, if you're listening, the one thing that would make the UI
better for me would be if I was looking at it as a murloc.
Yeah, yeah. Or if you were exceptionally
wealthy and you had some altruism in you, you wanted to
that. Sure.
That would also make it better. Yeah, I think that the.
Name Lex and Fasdev, name a better name, a better duo.
I will the dancerley duo which is my number one favorite thing
coming in 11.5. All the rush.
Yeah, all the PV players who were like, I don't want to have
to plunder Storm. PDP is not for me.
And I would admit I was one of those people at first.
Now there's a thing that PvP players can say.
I don't want to have the Pve. It's boss rush for parties of
people and for cosmetics. That's it.
Give me that transmog. I can't wait.
I hope it's fun. You know what this?
Is that's what I'm most excited about.
It's a boss rush to actually do those, yeah.
But you know what this is? It's 11 point 1.5.
Appeasement. It is the very end, like the the
death kneel of the Brawlers Guild.
This is the, I guess, spiritual successor to the Brawlers Guild
like we used to. Like all they needed, really
needed to do was bring the Ballers Guild back and add
additional cosmetics to it. But they've reinvented it as
this dastardly duo thing, and they're bringing.
Back Guild was solo wasn't it? Yeah, but like you could, you
could easily add on to the Brawlers Guild, be like, hey,
we're making it bigger and better.
Then we gotta have. Then we're gonna have the
Brawlers Guild traditional screaming at it.
They're allowing parties in there.
Yeah. So like both of.
Them are going to be upset. This is basically like the
brawlers Guild where it is this is this is a boss they're going
to probably. I would hope that after 11 point
1.5, as we move into a new expansion, they refresh the boss
list and that we can we can do this.
Do we I, I like it's, it's strange that it's like in
Dornagal and in the capital cities.
To me that seems like something that they're doing as a what
would we call this? A Evergreen sort of function
where it's not actually in those cities, it just teleports you to
the arena, whatever. Like the the NPC that's like,
who do you want to face? And it's like, OK, I want to
face Arthus. And then you get teleported to.
I I think it's in the capital cities in Dornegal because it's
going to be scaled and level won't matter and gear won't
matter is my guess. And that's why they're putting
them there. OK.
I think that obviously it's not going to just be scaled.
They're going to have to make mechanical changes.
Some of these bosses will be like, tank needs to run out and
you need two people to soak this and it's like, oh, we've only
got a team of two, so like, obviously.
They'll change all that, but I just I don't think I don't think
this is going to be one of those things where you just over gear
it and and dummy it like the Legion mage tower that everybody
likes to say was so hard. That wasn't after like a month.
I hear you. I see you people.
I'm watching you. Oh, I got all the mage tower
skins. Oh congratulations, you were 45
eye levels above what you should have been.
I'm happy for you. Enjoy your skins.
Give them to me on the vendor please.
But I think this is going to be like time walking where they're
going to, they're going to scale it like probably to the players
level. Yeah, like I.
Made both my Co host upset. They're both Legion mage
walking. Mage tower never touched the
mate. I've literally never.
I couldn't tell you where the mage tower is.
I don't even know if it's a physical location.
It's in Legion. OK.
I think I know it's in, I know it's in Legion, but I don't know
where it is in Legion. I don't know how I'd get to it.
I don't know how you trigger it. I don't know how you get things
to start. I at this point mage tower is
just this like nebulous little thing that like everyone's like,
oh, the mage tower. You guys remember the Beige
tower? And I'm like, didn't I mean I
know it exists. Don't believe her lies, Big mage
tower got to her. Yeah, yeah, she's she's been
bought out by the Karen tour. Anyways, I think that like the
mage tower had its place. I like that this is is there.
I'm glad to see this as like a way that you can scale with with
a group where it's like, yeah, I just want to go with my with my
friend or like, let's get it grouped together.
Like Oh my goodness guys, we completed case KSH it's day
three like what else are we going to do?
And then you start doing it. You start doing this like more
contents. Always good people can enjoy
this. I'm hoping that this scales well
because it because it shifts between group sizes.
That means that this is now in the same realm as Dells to me,
which, going back to what we were saying at the beginning,
Delves this season are way easier.
Like I spent a day and I'm like gone through elevens.
Yes, I'm starting at a much higher relative item level than
I was at the beginning of last season.
So please do not make that an apples to apples comparison, but
like to do a day and already be going up against like the the
end and boss. And I know some people who have
like bought it on day day one that are, that are, aren't like
the Super high skilled players, like those guys are all race the
world first or whatever right now.
So it I, I do feel like the delves have sort of lost a bit.
I do think that like if you put out those rewards, hopefully
they just have ranks of bosses and certain bosses are going to
be super challenge mode and like yes, it's got a cool chance mog
to it, but this will kick your butt and they don't worry about
that if it is like a little bit more optimal with four players
than two. I, this is my chronic, this is a
little bit of a tangential thing, but This is why I was
always scared Delves were going to fail is because Blizzard is
scared to make solo content hard.
And I need them to get over it. I need them to make challenging
solo content, and I need that to be like, I need them to
understand that that is OK because otherwise we will never
have a realistic solo track. Yeah.
So I feel you. And I, I, I, I will say they're
using the Delve technology a lot.
They clearly really like the idea of letting you have a
companion with you. And they clearly really like the
idea of letting you do things solo and pick things to make it
possible to do things solo. And I am very excited about
that. I just need them to let it be
hard. Yeah.
So I'm I'm excited for this boss rush.
I'm hoping that there's, you know what I would really like
leaderboards just put leaderboards, put them as like
you defeated it at X level or you defeated it with like that
fast. If like it only capped at a
certain level, like let's say there's like silver, rather like
gold, silver, bronze rankings for all these bosses.
And then at the gold it starts like being like time defeated,
how quickly you defeated it. I would love that.
Then you don't have to like have it scale indefinitely to make
it, to make it constant challenging content.
You can have the community start challenging themselves and
seeing like how they can do. And I'm like, oh man, warrior's
the best way to do this, this, this fight that fast and so
forth. Like I, I think that that might
be the way to sort of make this challenging while still making
it accessible for somebody who might not be able to like take a
hit as much as like a protection warrior, right?
Like that might be the way to go.
I'm always down for leaderboards.
I'm never. Going to be honest guys, they
mentioned party in every situation.
They don't ever mention any kind of flex sizing.
I think this is going to be 5 man content.
Yeah, but then Manny mentioned Delves and that meant that I
wanted to talk about Delves instead of talking about the
things that we're talking about because I, I become
uncomfortable when it is not about me.
And so I just changed the the subject entirely and you know,
what are you gonna do? But but Sean is right, it is you
and your party or the companions.
And I guess the companions would be more akin to follower
dungeons then. Does this say companions?
I thought, yeah, you could do it with a companion here.
No, that was, that's the horrific vision is with a
companion. This is just party.
This is going to be a five Man Group I think.
OK. Lex, I hear you that you want
Dells to be a challenge, and I know that there's a lot of
people who agree with you. But the community, the vast
community as a whole, I think, doesn't like when the game is
too hard for them and they want it just to be easy.
And then when Blizzard listens and changes it, then they
complain and say the game's too easy.
It's almost like I can't be certain, but it's almost like
there's no winning. That can't be true, Sean,
because you're telling me that it it would be possible that the
World of Warcraft player base sometimes just likes to complain
and is looking for problems. That can't be true.
They you're telling me. You're telling me that the World
of Warcraft player base as a whole is not constantly looking
for ways to be forgiving and kind to the devs, are you?
Next you're going to tell me that they can't make a social
media post without everyone flooding it trying to complain
about there are specific character issues that we all
know needs to be a bug report and should not go to the social
media team. I that can't possibly be true.
Sean, that's insane. That's the craziest thing I've
ever heard. Now, you're right, Lex, you're
right. It's me.
I'm I'm the one who's confused. Just to head off any complaints
that we might get, let's let's where.
Can they send those complaints, Manny?
Let's clear the air. Let's talk about this
specifically. OK, so the Dashley duos, yes,
it's a boss rush. You're going to be facing two or
more bosses at a time to rack up a score.
So there is a scoring system. OK, We already talked about how
there are the three hubs, the Stormwind, the Urgamar, the
Dornigal. It is you and a party.
So as Sean was saying, it's likely to be 5 man, five man
content based off of that. It's coming out in a six week
event, so in the first week you're going to have 4 bosses
available and then each week after additional bosses will be
added up into a total of 10 bosses to fight it's.
So one a week. Yes now if this is going to be
the trip down memory lane because you are going to be
dealing with animatronic versions of past bosses, right?
Which bosses would you guys say are on your like top list, top
list of definitely going to show up and top list of I really wish
this would this would be in consideration.
So for me, because I I'm posing the question, I don't want to, I
want to give you guys some time to think.
Definitely going to show up is obviously Arthus.
Like there's no way they go through this without having
Arthus. I don't.
Think it's going to be any raid bosses?
I think it's going to be dungeon bosses, you think?
It's going to be all dungeon bosses.
Yeah, none of the raid bosses are really conducive to fighting
2 at once, but some dungeon bosses you could.
Yeah you're right, but like I don't think you could do 2
dungeon bosses at once and not have to convert them.
So why aren't you just converting any boss?
Like I think it's just it's a boss from the past and they give
it mechanics that make it look like it's that.
So like yes, it could be from dungeons are typically start
simpler, so there's that and easier to convert.
Okay. But I don't I in the sky wish
list so I won't yuck your Yum. Arthus is on Manny's list.
I feel like I I don't think this this goes without Arthus,
probably the 10th boss. It's like a Oh my goodness,
guys. And plus it's Wow's 30th
anniversary. This is all in line with that
going through the past. I suspect it's going to be big,
big hitters. Obviously for that reason, a
boss that I think will not show up is Death Wing.
His fight is just no way you fit that into like anything other
than the raid, the raid fight. So I'm gonna say Deathwing is
out unless they do human form Deathwing 'cause they have the
model that would be and they've used it in avarice, right?
Could be a thing. All right, that's true.
John, what are you thinking? I'd like to see Van Cleef.
Original Edwin Van Cleef would be a fun one to see.
That's a good fight. And he disappeared and I
actually, I want to thematically match him up because in his
fight he vanishes and you have to like sort of find him through
the fog. I would also like to fight, I
think it's a bear off or something like that.
It's the second boss in Skolamance, the one where you
pull her and then you fight her and then she disappears.
Spinning thing. Yeah, she's a spinning things.
I like to fight those two together.
Thematically, I'd love Van Cleef into Van Cleef, a son and it's a
brother, father and daughter. So she just and then the
daughter shows up. It's like what?
What's your name? Vanessa, Yeah.
Vanessa Van Cleef, Yeah. And Edwin Van Cleef.
Yeah. Yeah, I would.
I would dig that. That would.
That would be fun. I would like to fight Sean
because he stole mine. I was this fan Cleef.
Yeah, that was mine. I was so prepared to make this
entire argument. I wasn't really.
I was gonna say I wanted to be Van Cleef from Deadlines.
Who do I actually want? I don't know.
We can see Van Cleflex. I can't think of any other
bosses. I've literally I'm out, I'm
cooked. There's no other.
Hogger. I feel like Hogger would be like
a very good anniversary boss. Like he was around the
fairgrounds, but you didn't actually do anything with him.
He was in the stockades when they redid the stockades, so
they've got all the animations and stuff to do him.
If we're taking random world bosses that aren't.
And this is not because I actually want this, this is just
a nostalgia trip. I want that little guy who walks
around. Oh God, I can't think of a
single word to describe the the abomination.
Oh yeah. Stitches.
No. Stitches.
Yes, that one. That one.
The one who really wanted to have killed me so many times.
When I would actually. Yeah, right.
That's good. What's that?
Stitches.
I thought he was next Ramus boss only OK I didn't.
Know he was. Patchwork is the next Ramus
boss. Stitches is the one that walks
the street. If we're getting Arthus he
should be paired with Illidan cuz this says you fight two at a
time so when one dies theoretically the next one would
spawn and come in. So what you could do is you
could start or maybe you end that way you could build up to.
So you could do like Lady Vash and Kalethas and one of them
dies, Iladin joins and when one of them dies, theoretically
Kalethas would die, but one of them dies, Arthas comes in.
So if you chained it that way or that's 4 right there.
So you go Lady Vash, Kalethas to start, one of them dies, Iladin
comes in, one of them dies, Arthas comes in because Arthas,
as long as Arthas and Vash aren't together, Arthas and Kale
fast work because they both had a thing for Jana.
Arthas and Iladin work because they both fought each other in
North Rend. Vash and Calf has work because
they worked with Illidan, Illidan and kill.
Sorry, that and Vash and Illidan work because they work together.
So all of those work. You can do that as a combo.
That's fun. Now I want to think of combos of
four that you can chain together.
And then if you continue it from there and to up to 10, you could
go Arthur, Sylvanus and then you can go Sylvanus and who just
Savannah match with well, Nathanos, I guess.
You could do Jane, throw Jane in there.
She's connected with all of them.
And she was a raid boss. Jane.
Yeah. I do kind of want to bring
Nathanos back just because he the the way that we killed him
sucked. What are we talking about?
That man was like a major story beat and then he was just gone
though. No thank you.
Bring him back. Let me kill him for real.
It would be great if the joke is that it's like the actual and
the Thanos and he's like, and he's just like, oh crap.
And he like flees and they're like, whoa, wait, what?
That would be like the little Easter egg.
But I would love to hear from the FAZ audience.
Which bosses would you want? Which bosses do you think would
be amazing in the Dangerous duos?
Write in or join the FAST discord at Bit dot LY slash Fast
Discord and let us know. But until next time guys, may
all your hits be good.