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It sucks not being able to make 
plans two nights a week for 

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three months or four months 
because you know you're locked 

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in. 
And especially when you're on 

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the bench, it sucks because 
you're like, I'm, I'm literally 

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just sitting here. 
Well, I could walk and watch the

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VOD after the fact. 
Victory for the Forsaken. 

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For Lauderon. 
For the Karen tour for. 

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Pandaria. 
For calendar to the. 

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Burning region for Gilnaeus or 
has not died, for the Lich King,

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for the Sindori, for the 
Alliance, for the Horn, for 

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Azeroth. 
Hello and welcome to another 

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episode of For Azeroth. 
I am one of your hosts the 

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Truvial Manny AKA Manny and I am
joined by two lovely Co hosts. 

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First introducing, Sorry, I'm 
just about to introduce you 

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first Sean. 
Sorry, first introducing. 

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Well, I guess I just said Sean. 
So hello first introducing Sean 

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on the lovely East Coast. 
How are you? 

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How are is the World of Warcraft
treating you this week? 

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Now World of Warcraft treated me
good Manny. 

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I got a Mythic Gaze of the 
Almsir out of my Warriors vault 

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on NA, which is huge because I'm
a tank, which means the chances 

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of me getting one from the raid 
is slim to none because 

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literally everybody wants 1. 
I think there's like 3 specs 

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that don't want one. 
It's a very, very popular 

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trinket. 
But I pulled it on my vault. 

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It was a big week for the gays. 
We got one for me, we got one 

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for my friend Nick who plays in 
our AOTC team to get a heroic 1,

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and I think one of our healers 
got one of our her vault too. 

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Yeah, huge week. 
So it's been going good. 

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And that's a really good 
Paladins prog like Blinded 

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Vanguard. 
And then that got nerfed, which 

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means the damage check will be 
slightly easier, so we'll 

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probably kill that this week 
there. 

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You go, there you go. 
I Congrats to you, Congrats to 

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Nick and Congrats to everybody. 
You got something good out of 

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their vault. 
I know a lot of people call it 

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the weekly disappointment, but I
thought I find that especially 

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this early in this season, 
there's just so many wins in 

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there. 
It's so good. 

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It's so good. 
Especially when it's the gays. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
That's the biggest win I've 

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always. 
I was the only. 

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It's a great, like it honestly 
is a really good trinket because

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it, it's, it's so powerful for 
everybody. 

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It's like 50% ahead of my next 
best trinket. 

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The only issue is how loud it 
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If we could just find some way 
to turn the volume down in the 

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gaze just a little bit, then 
that would be perfect. 

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Yep. 
OK, we're going to get 

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cancelled. 
I'm going to switch to a much. 

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I'm going to talk about 
something in my fault that I 

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think is a lot easier. 
I managed to get a box out of my

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vault, so we got the puzzle box 
there. 

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Super happy about that myth 
track as well. 

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It does take about two minutes 
to like actually get that box 

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going, but oh baby, you get 
going when you once it's done. 

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So I'm happy about my unlock. 
Lex, how are you and how's your 

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fault? 
I'm dropping out of the show. 

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As of now, you will never hear 
my voice again. 

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I'm good, Manny. 
I'm doing well. 

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We finally got into heroic, 
which is very exciting, 

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starting, starting to do our 
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And then we thought that we 
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We were like, Oh yeah, whatever.
We just got to heroic. 

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Everyone says that's so easy. 
Yeah. 

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So we are going to be doing 
voice fire like good little 

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babies. 
After an hour and a half of 

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hitting that and being like, 
perhaps we need a little more 

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gear. 
Can I ask what your Do you know 

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what your team's average item 
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I want to say in the two 60s. 
So it might be that we need a 

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little more paying attention. 
It's possible that we really 

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need is a little bit more, you 
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But we'll say it's gear. 
There's this one Demon Hunter 

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who keeps like, you know, 
running in front of the tank and

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like flipping and eye beaming 
everything before the tank gets 

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there and then being like why 
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I only tanked the big ad for a 
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What an idiot. 
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Don't you play Demon Hunter in 
your right? 

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Team who doesn't play Demon 
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Sean. 
I think everyone plays Demon 

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Hunter in their souls. 
I just went and I just had to go

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look it up because I'm just 
like, I wonder what the item 

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level is. 
Because like, yeah, I think that

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if you're, let's say Sean's 
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through how many different like 
mythic zeros and getting their 

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item level up and everything. 
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not only is that like I'd level 
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better selection of gear than 
like your team or my team that 

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was probably still had some 
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So I could definitely see that 
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I know with 'cause I'm rating 
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one team walked right into it. 
We're like, OK, yeah, let's do 

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heroic. 
So we did normal and then we did

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heroic because of course that 
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getting a normal version of it 
outstrips a lot of the stuff at 

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the higher end level. 
So that was good. 

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Another team that I went with 
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And I think it specifically is 
about like the focus of the team

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and the gear it is. 
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the first. 
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fire. 
We do also had a lot of shake 

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UPS over the last year. 
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times that we are training a new
tank and that, you know, this is

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a really hard tier to be a new 
tank, right? 

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Like you lost it. 
It went from like tank means you

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wait until it says loud in your 
ears, Tom swap and then you Tom 

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swap and then you're good, 
which, and that's another 

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implication. 
I know, and I, I, I tried 

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tanking it is I'm not very good 
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So like very, very fair, not 
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But all of a sudden it became 
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lot of these bosses are very 
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So I think we, we are aware of 
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time for everyone. 
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kind of relearning our classes 
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and you know, how we play our 
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And we also have somebody who's 
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always challenging, is now 
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that he hasn't done on a tier 
that seems very like I'm just 

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looking from the outside, seems 
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general. 
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going to be going through things
a little slower and that's OK 

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because we're having fun. 
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through this tier and at the end
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being a tank, the next tier for 
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they're basically training with 
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tier. 
It's going to feel like they're 

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sprinting through a field. 
It's it is you're like there is 

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a lot more responsibilities on 
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The like Blind Vanguard, for 
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Dragons fight that also very, 
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And even Alaria, Crown of the 
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responsibility there. 
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tank responsibility. 
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I would not want to be this. 
I would not want this to be my 

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first tier as a new tank. 
I would like that would be an 

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awful time, yeah. 
Cutting your teeth on one of the

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most. 
Challenging tears. 

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When we were discussing 
potential tanks, I said, like, I

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wasn't like, itching for tank, 
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would be happy to take up the 
the tank mantle. 

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And then I started watching 
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And I'm like, you know what? 
I think the Gillies should do 

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it. 
I think we shouldn't have more 

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than one officer in a certain, 
you know, coveted role. 

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That's what I think is going on 
anyway. 

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Ask someone else. 
Yeah. 

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And I heard you use that excuse 
and I bought it. 

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I was like, oh, OK, yeah, that 
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knowing Lex was playing 40 
chest, OK. 

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To be fair, I do actually in 
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was my biggest argument is I 
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is such a like hyper, like 
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Like even healer, if you get 4, 
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And so I think it's both the 
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kill team. 
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should leave at least one tank 
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everyone gets a chance to play 
roles they really, really want. 

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OK. 
Well, I guess all the best lies 

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include a bit of truth. 
So let's get into the news. 

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First little bit of news that we
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to be coming out next week and 
that includes a lot of content, 

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including gear that is both goes
all the way up to hero gear. 

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When you when you do this 
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lot of outdoor content through 
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So this is dealing with the 
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We've got now these void 
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And this is outdoor content that
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places. 
As you do more of the smaller 

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events, it'll build up to the 
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If you recall the Fyric assaults
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to that, where you do small 
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and then you'll do the big, the 
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world boss. 
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instance content, which are the 
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And these ritual sites are kind 
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They're delves mixed with 
horrific visions and in which 

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you get different affixes that 
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you can change them much like it
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how you could get the different 
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different things. 
This will add in challenges. 

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The first 3 levels are pretty 
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level 4 and level 5 you are 
required to put in some of these

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challenges, but you get to 
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that's not random per week like 
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visions. 
And all of this will give you 

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currency, will work through a 
renowned track like everything 

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these days, and will allow you 
to buy not only up to heroic 

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level gear, but also trans 
transmog that is recolored Tier 

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2 and void versions of the blood
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The the other two things that 
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the decor hunt, which is this 
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sorry, rather like joyous, not 
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and dark, but joyous themed 
little team hunt where people 

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will hide as different decor 
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Silverman, and then other people
will go hunting for for them, 

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trying to discover them and kick
them out. 

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This is again, I think it seems 
pretty good. 

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I actually think they made it a 
little too complicated because 

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there are tech trees to your 
hunting and to your hiding, 

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which is which is kind of 
annoying. 

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I almost wish they made it kind 
of like Team Fortress where it's

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like you picked the class and 
that was what abilities you had.

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And then and then it didn't go 
any deeper than that. 

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But yeah, there's a little bit 
of a tech tree. 

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There's of course cosmetic 
rewards that are in there as 

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well. 
And then the last thing is this 

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underwater diving off the coast 
of Zulaman, which is the one 

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that in my mind interested me 
least just because I've, I got I

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still have terror from every 
underwater zone ever. 

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I don't think wow does 
underwater that well, but it, 

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it, it's again, another thing 
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to go underwater, go and gather 
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And as you work through that 
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gather more, go further, get get
more and of course, get more 

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rewards. 
But there's a lot of I don't 

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want to call it pure single 
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a technically PvP thing, but 
this is a lot more of short bite

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size content to go through in 
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we've got the new Void Crucible 
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season's version of Turbo Boost.
You will be able to like upgrade

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your items to new levels further
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also be able to get. 
I don't want to call this a 

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bonus roll. 
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we were initially. 
Discussing this, it's called 

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bonus loot. 
OK, bonus loot. 

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You're guaranteed to get bonus 
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Redeem these. 
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conversation a couple episodes 
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guaranteed to get exactly the 
item you want. 

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It will, it may be that you get 
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never get a repeated drop. 
So eventually you will get the 

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piece that you're after. 
So what do you guys think of 

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like all the stuff coming for 12
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Is there any of the like 
activities that seem to excite 

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you? 
Let's start with you, Lex. 

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Yeah, it's a great time to be a 
solo player. 

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You were right. 
This is all very solo or single 

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player friendly. 
I think for example, with the 

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decor hunt or the decor duels. 
That is the type of thing that I

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mean, without having played it, 
I want to be super clear. 

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I really genuinely thought this 
is something the World of 

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Warcraft team invented when they
revealed it on their, you know, 

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the little video. 
So I don't know, I don't 

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understand how you're going to 
have a tech tree for this. 

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I'm I'm going to be learning all
this on the fly. 

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Like, are you not just 
pretending to be a little thing 

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and you go in a corner and hope 
that nobody thinks like everyone

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thinks there's a broom there 
anyway? 

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But my, my completely going in 
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this is the type of thing that's
very easy to keep for solo. 

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We have to have a lot of stress.
So I am very excited about that.

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I'm very excited as a solo 
player. 

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I have been feeling a little 
frustrated just because they're 

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like having some trouble 
motivating myself to log in 

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because now that I'm all at like
maxed out champ will not Max 

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out, but I'm maxing out my 
champion year and I'm pushing 

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hero gear. 
It's hard for me to feel super 

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motivated to like do my delves 
and do my prey because I'm like,

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yeah, like I got some currency, 
but that's kind of it. 

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Like I don't really need any 
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So having an opportunity to get 
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make it a lot easier for me to 
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wanting to be doing these these 
these activities and will mean 

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that I can continue to gear up 
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Right. 
I was sort of at the point where

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I was like, OK, am I do I have 
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about doing more mythic plus 
because I don't want to drag 

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down my team and all that. 
But if I can buy hero gear, then

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I can have another season 
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We'll see if that actually 
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excited. 
This seems like a lot of fun. 

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You're right that a lot of this 
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heroic vision adjacent to have 
horrific vision adjacent, excuse

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me, which I was having a lot of 
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So I'm I'm high. 
I think it's gonna be really 

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good. 
OK. 

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All right. 
Sean, what about you? 

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Any of this interests you where 
you're at? 

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Well. 
I will 100% be farming decor 

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duels because they put all of 
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the planet in that. 
In that system it's all of the 

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silver moon city guard weapons 
and Shields. 

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So pull arms one handed swords, 
war glaves, all the stuff that 

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the guards wear and the Shields.
The guards have the city shield 

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guard. 
So I have no choice. 

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I have to play decor duel 
whether I want to or not. 

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So I will doing that. 
The obviously I'm going to 

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engage with the the quote UN 
quote turbo boost. 

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I don't have a choice because we
got a gear up. 

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I actually feel weird like 
gearing was slowed down a lot 

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this expansion compared to where
it was in the war within to the 

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point that like at this same 
point in the war within, I was 

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maxed out. 
I all of my items that I was 

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wearing were maxed upgrade and 
turbo boost hit and then it was 

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just convert all of my crests 
and then upgrade the new pieces.

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Well, I am not maxed out now 
because they slowed down 

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gearing. 
So we're going to get all this 

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new these new tracks on this 
gear in turbo boost, but we're 

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not going to be able to Max them
out right away. 

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So they've slowed down the 
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to take a bit longer to to hit 
hit Max item level, which means 

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that keeps you playing for 
longer into the season. 

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We're seeing record numbers of 
Mythic Plus being done since 

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midnight Season 1 launched like 
when our third week of over 

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1,000,000 keys completed, which 
has never happened before. 

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And maybe it's because people 
are still here. 

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But yeah, I, I do that. 
I do want everybody who's 

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listening. 
If you're excited about the 

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turbo boost and the bonus loot, 
which is a huge, huge advantage 

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to for upgrading alts or mains, 
make sure you're doing your void

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Forge day weekly quests in Void 
storm because you have to do a 

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quest every week where you get 3
things from delves, rage or 

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mythic plus bosses and give them
to Decimus and then he he picks 

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it up. 
Right now it's at 5. 

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You have to have done it five 
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You can do them all in the same 
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the end boss of a dungeon Delvor
from a raid boss. 

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So make sure you're you're up to
speed with that. 

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You're definitely not going to 
want to be trying to unlock that

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next week when you want to be 
grabbing your bonus loop. 

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But yeah, 12.5 is coming. 
A lot of like, like said, a lot 

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of stuff for for solo players, a
lot of stuff for gearing up 

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alts. 
If you were somebody who's 

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working the gear alts or to 
finish off mains that aren't 

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rocked out in in full hero gear 
and hopefully it's accessible. 

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I don't know what the like 
there's. 

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I suspect you can't just farm to
your heart's content and get 

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hero gear from the assaults. 
My guess is there's some sort of

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artificial cap on it, whether 
it's a currency you have to get 

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or something. 
It's a currency and the fact 

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that it's purchased also makes 
me think it's it's going to be a

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pretty low cap. 
Because if you could just go in 

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and farm and just buy whatever 
hero pieces you were missing to 

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Max out your entire character 
like that would be. 

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I mean, first of all, it'd be 
absurdly overpowered. 

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You can't do that anything else.
So yeah, my guess is it's going 

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to be like you're going to get a
couple pieces of loot out of it.

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Yeah, but yeah. 
Could still be fun. 

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I've watched some videos from 
Mr. GM on them. 

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They look like fun stuff if 
you're into that. 

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Are we calling them the rituals?
Are we calling them horrific 

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delves? 
Or are we calling them Delve 

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visions? 
What combination of the word are

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we? 
Because we had horrific delves 

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already in the War Within SO. 
Sorry, I honestly, I feel like 

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Dells need to go first because 
they are so much like the 

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midnight delves, like the affix 
and stuff. 

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I was just like, is this 
something they're testing to put

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into like delves going forward? 
Because I don't think that's 

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bad. 
I actually think that have 

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having like played through it 
and and done done the stuff on 

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the PTR, I think it's pretty 
cool. 

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I think that it is an expansion 
of delves that I really do like 

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because the way that you get the
like various challenges. 

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Are are different things that 
you would do in or outside of 

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the rituals, which makes it feel
like a much more integrated end 

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game sort of system and itself 
nerves itself. 

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So like week 1 you'll need to 
complete a challenge, a level 

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4-1 or level 5 and then Week 2 
it'll go down a level. 

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It's like, OK, now you'll need 
to complete the level, the Level

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3 or level 4 with whatever 
criteria it is. 

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And so more people will be able 
to unlock it. 

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That'll let you push in further 
because like at level 4, you 

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have to have a minimum of 
challenges unlocked and active, 

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and then to do the level 5, you 
need to have another bunch of 

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challenges active, unlocked. 
And then of course, there's an 

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achievement for like having 
every challenge active and 

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completing at the highest level.
So that could easily go into 

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delves and be switched around 
each season and just add to like

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fun things that people want to 
do with delves. 

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It's got it's like, obviously 
Dells have their under coin and 

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that currency this one has it's 
it's currency that you're going 

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and buying all those Cos 
cosmetics. 

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And I think that this it just 
feels like stuff that maybe they

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wanted to put into Dells at the 
beginning of the expansion, but 

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didn't quite make it in time for
the release. 

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So, so if this is soft test and 
people like it, I'd love to see 

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it continue because I I do enjoy
it. 

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It does really feel like they 
are leaning very heavily into 

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single player content. 
I I know that I say this like 

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every single time, like, oh, 
it's so fun to be a single 

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player right now, but it's like 
to be fair to a kind of absurd 

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degree, right? 
Like they gave us a new single 

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player game mode, dirt with 
midnight and then at the .05 

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they're giving us two more, I 
guess one OK, one of them is 

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like open world, but they're 
giving us up an open world. 

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And I mean, again, you can group
if you want to, but it, it just 

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feels so like they are giving us
single players a lot of gifts, 

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which I I appreciate. 
I do wonder how like a if that's

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going to continue and B, you 
know, I've said for a while, I'd

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love it if, you know, delves 
could push harder and if I could

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gear fully to raid with single 
player content. 

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And I'm curious if the this 
trend is going to continue to 

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the point that we will be 
getting more and more single 

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player gearing abilities and 
single player opportunities 

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moving forward or if this is 
kind of like midnight. 

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They're being really nice to us.
And then as it goes forward, 

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they can be like, turns out we 
don't want you to only play 

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alone. 
Sometimes you have to do a 

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couple keys. 
I I think that there is 

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obviously the chance for them to
do that and they're obviously 

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testing the waters, but like it,
it's Blizzard, it's the wow team

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that metronome seems to swing 
like very hard at times. 

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So even if it is looking good 
and going this direction right 

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now, I I don't think that's true
necessarily true for the future.

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And this is content that you can
do by yourself or with like up 

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to four people just like Delve. 
So it is like it is one hundred 

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100% that modular content. 
I am curious as you 2 are not as

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scared of grouping and doing 
keys as me. 

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How like how does it feel to the
be seeing so much solo content 

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come out? 
Like are you guys feeling a 

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little ignored right now? 
Or I mean, it sounds like keys 

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are doing really well, so maybe 
we're all happy and living our 

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little dreams. 
I don't feel ignored I the game.

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They've got what, 6,000,007 
million players in the game who 

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all enjoy it in different ways 
and for different reasons. 

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You know when they they're 
bringing back their seemingly re

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injecting some pet battling 
coming up? 

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I don't that doesn't bother me. 
The solo content stuff it it 

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doesn't I don't feel ignored. 
I actually feel like a lot of 

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the time the solo content for me
is a good avenue for gearing and

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alt. 
So it's like, yeah, it's solo 

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content that that people are 
playing alone and they're 

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getting geared up for it for 
their mains. 

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It's great. 
But for me, I can use it as a as

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a gear injection for alts if 
it's if it's good. 

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But no, I don't feel ignored. 
Mythic Plus is is in probably 

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the best spot it's been. 
I don't want to say that Mythic 

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Plus is in a really good spot. 
There are still some some pretty

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glaring holes that would I would
like to see fixed, but it's it's

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in a decent spot. 
It's fun, keys are enjoyable for

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the most part and the raid is 
fun to play so. 

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So like I always find this game 
is fun with more people. 

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So like, while I do enjoy doing 
some of the solo content, like 

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I'm never going to do a prey in 
a group. 

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Like no, I'm, I'm grabbing those
traps, I'm going to do the 

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thing. 
I'm, I'm going through it as 

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fast as possible. 
That's just because like for me,

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prey is a tool or chore in order
to get to what I enjoy. 

445
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,880
And so I don't want to spend 
time on that activity. 

446
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,200
I want to use that activity to 
get the stuff that I enjoy in 

447
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,880
terms of where I'm at with 
delves, where I'm at with like 

448
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,880
having played the rituals, I 
enjoy those. 

449
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,000
So like I could play that with a
friend, with a group. 

450
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,600
I could imagine if there was 
like a bunch of people that are 

451
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,920
like, hey, do you want to join 
us? 

452
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:19,120
Sure. 
Is it so enjoyable that I would 

453
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:25,280
do it past the point where the 
rewards benefit me is is a 

454
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,640
question. 
And that's something that would 

455
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,080
shift based on like my mood and 
time and everything. 

456
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,760
But the fact that like it's a 
question, I think that's a good 

457
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,480
place for the this content to 
be. 

458
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,680
Yeah. 
And like as you said, it's great

459
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,840
for people who are a little bit 
more intimidated by group 

460
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,360
content to be able to do it 
alone. 

461
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:47,400
And I don't particularly want to
take that away from anybody. 

462
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:55,680
So good on that and as well with
that said, there's also. 

463
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,360
Been I blame housing for all of 
our my problems like a normal 

464
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:03,120
person, not not these new ritual
sites. 

465
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,480
Now all the, all the times 
you're forced to deal with your 

466
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,240
your housing and that's. 
Right, all of this player power 

467
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,320
tied behind these 20 WAR bound 
heroic crests. 

468
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,960
Unbelievable. 
And the fact that it crashed the

469
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,480
cost of runes. 
I told you guys that the runes 

470
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,920
were going to be the the real 
spoiler and they ended up not 

471
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:30,160
being account bound and dropping
that price so low, but I think 

472
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,200
that's a general benefit to the 
game. 

473
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,760
I think ruins were at way too 
expensive in previous 

474
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:41,080
expansions, so generally good. 
If you ask me how I'm supposed 

475
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,680
to get room ruins in game other 
than that quest, I would not be 

476
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,880
able to answer that question. 
I don't I. 

477
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,480
Q as a tank, Q as a healer into 
group content or do professions.

478
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,320
Oh yeah, so. 
That that now I understand why I

479
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,080
wouldn't know because there's 
the two things I don't do. 

480
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,480
All right, all right, all right,
just hit the auction house. 

481
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,480
I think they're like. 600 gold 
per per. 

482
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,160
My team can just have great 
parses. 

483
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,320
Good for. 
You all right? 

484
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,840
With that said, let's jump into 
something a little bit more of 

485
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,440
the high end of the spectrum 
because today Blizzard has 

486
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:24,520
announced flex mythic coming in 
the next raid in 12 point O .7. 

487
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,400
That is the R&R RAID, the what's
it called, the seeds. 

488
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,440
I. 
Unfortunately Sporefall. 

489
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,000
Thank you. 
So Sporefall is going to have 

490
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,800
flexible mythic rating which 
means you can bring in anywhere 

491
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:48,240
between 15 and 25 people. 
This is being hailed as great 

492
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,800
for some groups and the end 
times for other groups. 

493
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,880
What have like this is breaking.
This was basically just 

494
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,480
announced in an interview 
between Limit, sorry, rather 

495
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:09,240
Liquid Max and the the 2 
developers talking about the 

496
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,720
race to world first and going 
back and talking about that. 

497
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,920
So Sean, what are your thoughts 
on this? 

498
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,800
Is this, is this something that 
you think will be positive, 

499
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,840
Negative. 
How does it affect your team? 

500
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,320
I think so. 
Overall, I think this is a huge 

501
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,360
positive for the community, for 
the player base. 

502
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,400
I think it's really, really 
positive for AOTC teams that 

503
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,720
have 15 to 25 players on their 
roster who want to try Mythic 

504
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,200
and maybe the rest of the team 
doesn't. 

505
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,480
So now you don't need to have a 
full 20 man roster so you can 

506
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,480
try it out. 
I think it's really good for 

507
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,280
groups. 
Of friends who were like. 

508
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,840
Hey, we're a friend group that 
does keys and stuff together and

509
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,200
there's fifteen of us and we 
would like to try and do the 

510
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,000
raid. 
I think it's good for that. 

511
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,120
I think there are some guilds 
that are bored like early mythic

512
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,600
guilds or even maybe like late 
CE guilds that struggle like 

513
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,840
mightily with the roster boss 
and you know if they drop below 

514
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,640
20, well then we can't raid 
tonight. 

515
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,200
So now this gives them some 
flexibility and I do want to be 

516
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,920
clear. 
This is just right now announced

517
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:24,080
for sporefall, the one boss raid
coming in 12 point O .7. 

518
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,400
So I think it's good for those. 
I would love to see it extended 

519
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,280
to all tiers but unlocking after
Hall of Fame closes. 

520
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,480
So have the 20 man mythic 
lockout required for Hall of 

521
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,160
Fame. 
That's the 1st 200 teams to 

522
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,880
clear the raid and then once 
Hall of Fame ends and then 

523
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,240
activate flex mythic rating for 
everyone else so that they can 

524
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,520
they can get a chance to 
experience it. 

525
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,040
This purely benefits those teams
because those teams aren't 

526
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,720
entering mythic probably before 
the Hall of Fame closes anyway. 

527
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,520
Or maybe they're doing with a 
little bit of roster swap. 

528
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,040
But I think I, I think this this
should be active all the time 

529
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,040
with that caveat of turning it 
on after Hall of Fame closes. 

530
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,040
You can't turn it on before Hall
of Fame closes because then it's

531
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,280
like, we'll did a 15 that 
critter with 15 man, is that the

532
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,760
intent? 
Like is it easier at 15? 

533
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,680
Is it easier at 25? 
You're going to have too much 

534
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,840
tuning. 
Lock 20 till Hall of Fame 

535
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,000
closes, then open it up for 
everybody else. 

536
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,720
It lets teams get that over 
their foot wet and mythic. 

537
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,840
And this is also. 
So all of those reasons are 

538
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,160
positive, but there's also a 
massive chance for this to be a 

539
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,320
problem if you're on a team 
where everybody doesn't get 

540
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,800
along so well. 
Now, if there's 15 people who 

541
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,400
do, and you know, now maybe that
team splinters. 

542
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,960
If there's a team that has 20 
and they can't stand five of 

543
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,640
those people or they have 22, 
but they're like, you know what?

544
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,640
I don't really like four or five
of these guys. 

545
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,240
Well, now we don't need to have 
them because we can just 15 man 

546
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,680
it. 
I think that's going to cause 

547
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,840
those problems. 
So maybe be a nice person, be 

548
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,200
kind to your guildies. 
Yeah, like you're calling these.

549
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,320
Problems and I'm like good, like
yeah, congratulations, you don't

550
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,840
have to carry the toxic people 
that like are there and you and 

551
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,200
you deal with them just because 
you don't want to deal with the 

552
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,920
rape boss like I'm I'm sorry if 
you are that person, this is not

553
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,360
a wow problem. 
Address your life choices. 

554
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,320
Yeah, that's a good point. 
That's a good point. 

555
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,280
But it also could be like if 
you're on a team and there's, 

556
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,440
you know, 12 really close 
friends on the team, you know, I

557
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,240
could see some teams splintering
over it. 

558
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,480
If you're the third tank on a 
team and you're like, I really 

559
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,880
want to play and now I only need
to be on the roster with 15 as 

560
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,320
opposed to a roster with more. 
So maybe I don't know. 

561
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,360
I, I overall, I think it's a net
positive. 

562
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,080
I think it's there is the 
potential that you see some 

563
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,440
shake up. 
I think guilds that are in the 

564
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,840
higher end aren't going to be 
impacted by it. 

565
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,200
It's not going to affect them, 
but guilds in that mid range 

566
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,480
will be able to not have to sit 
people for Prague boss, which is

567
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,560
nice. 
So instead of if your roster is 

568
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,440
normally 25, you're not going to
have to sit 5 people. 

569
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,280
You're not going to have to make
those hard choices and I think 

570
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,400
it's exceptionally good for a 
like high end AOTC teams. 

571
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,640
I'm thinking of face or Forged 
on EU. 

572
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,520
They get they're going to have 
AOTC lock down this week before 

573
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,520
the .5 patch and then they 
typically do some mythic, but 

574
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,240
they don't have a full roster of
20 who want to do mythic. 

575
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,000
So they always end up bringing 
in pugs. 

576
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,960
Well, now they don't have to Now
they can just bring who they 

577
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,960
want to bring who wants to come.
It's really, really good for 

578
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,080
those teams, teams like you know
them and I think dayglo would be

579
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,800
another team that would fall 
under that category. 

580
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,400
So I'm. 
I I think it's a huge. 

581
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,320
Positive I I just hope it stays 
beyond sporefall. 

582
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,960
There were a lot of reasons to 
my. 

583
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,000
Team after dipping our toes in 
Mythic, decide it wasn't for us.

584
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,200
So to be fair, I think this 
probably is not going to affect 

585
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,840
us because I think we probably 
are still not going to do 

586
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,720
Mythic. 
But I do remember one of the 

587
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,440
biggest challenges moving from 
AOTC to Mythic was the fact that

588
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,240
we really did not want to pug. 
And what that meant is that we 

589
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,840
had to recruit up to a point 
that some people be sitting 

590
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,720
every night, which as an AOTC 
team is not a thing you do 

591
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:01,560
right. 
If you sit, it's either, you 

592
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,400
know, potentially because 
somebody's really it's a big 

593
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,120
deal to sit somebody. 
And so to be like, hey, we 

594
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,840
especially, you know, as a Guild
of primarily parents and you 

595
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,920
know, like adults, we need you 
to block this time. 

596
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,679
And like you can't schedule 
anything else, right? 

597
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,480
You can't be like, hey, I'm 
going to, you know, go out with 

598
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,400
my wife. 
I'm not. 

599
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,880
I'm going to, you know, have a 
game night with my friends. 

600
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,639
This has to be time that you 
hold sacred. 

601
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,840
But we're going to tell you, you
know, whenever, like maybe the 

602
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,400
night before when we figured out
who's calling out that night, 

603
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,760
whether or not you're even on. 
So you might just be bored for 

604
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,000
that night. 
That felt really, really 

605
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,040
terrible to us. 
And I know for mythic teams 

606
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,719
that's kind of normal, but that 
was one of the things that we 

607
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,600
liked the least. 
Normal, but does suck. 

608
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,000
Yeah, it it sucks not being able
to make plans two nights a week 

609
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,360
for three months or four months 
because you know, you're locked 

610
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,120
in. 
And especially when you're on 

611
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,960
the bench, it sucks because 
you're like, I'm, I'm literally 

612
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,120
just sitting here. 
I could walk and watch the VOD 

613
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,640
after the fact, right? 
Right, right. 

614
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,840
And and so I think I understand 
why you kind of do need, 

615
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,760
especially for the Hall of Fame,
you do need a level of this is a

616
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,520
thing that like it is going to 
be at this number. 

617
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,880
You guys can't gamify this. 
You have to just do it at the 

618
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,000
point that we're telling you to 
do it. 

619
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,960
But I think I, I think that's a 
great idea, Sean, of it gets the

620
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,680
Hall of Fame. 
Once that's through and 

621
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,000
everyone's playing for the sake 
of playing and not playing for 

622
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,840
the competition of who gets the 
1st, play with whatever team you

623
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,440
have. 
Yeah, I know. 

624
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,520
One of my teams, soon as they 
saw this lead was just like, 

625
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:46,760
Yep, we're going in and it's 
been a it's been an issue for my

626
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,120
team where we want to jump in 
there and some people are not 

627
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:56,120
wanting to as well, just like 
you were saying, Lex, and and so

628
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,240
we have to figure out how we're 
going to do this or have people 

629
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,240
benched and all of that. 
So I agree it does empower some 

630
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:10,520
people other than The Who gets 
claimed as as the the top of the

631
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,480
the pile and race the world 
first, are there any other 

632
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:18,440
reasons that you feel it 
shouldn't be a day one release? 

633
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,160
Because it feels a lot like the 
conversation is similar to how 

634
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,640
people are like well, why isn't 
story mode out? 

635
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,640
Why is LFR gated is so long? 
And like a lot of the times it's

636
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,800
like well to allow normal teams 
to complete it together, to 

637
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,000
allow heroic teams to complete 
together and so forth. 

638
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,520
Like are there any other reasons
other than the like who gets the

639
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,560
crown definitively I think. 
It's it's going to. 

640
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,880
Be a tuning nightmare. 
I fully expect that this 

641
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,600
launches and the tuning is all 
over the place. 

642
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,440
It's easier to present a 
solidified product if you know 

643
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,960
you're only tuning it for 20 
players. 

644
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,320
You, the devs, know what to 
expect, so there's not as big a 

645
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,520
a concern there. 
And I absolutely think you want 

646
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,200
to protect the sanctity of the 
Hall of Fame. 

647
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,000
You don't want the Hall of Fame 
to ever come in question of, you

648
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,960
know, the top 200 teams with 
this team only did it with 15 

649
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,560
players. 
This team did it with 25 

650
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,960
players. 
It was easier if you brought 18 

651
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,280
and the team that figured that 
out first brought 18. 

652
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,120
You don't want to have to deal 
with any of that. 

653
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,160
I think, I think locking, 
locking it to Hall of Fame and 

654
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,760
we used to lock cross realm 
mythic to Hall of Fame as well. 

655
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,440
You used to have to be on the 
same server and then once Smith 

656
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,040
Hall of Fame closed, it's opened
up cross server for mythic. 

657
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,760
This was for a couple of years. 
So I, I think that's important 

658
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,520
the, the tuning and I, I do 
think it's important to protect 

659
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,520
the, the sanctity of the Hall of
Fame because it, it does matter.

660
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,240
Like people put in a lot of 
effort. 

661
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,840
They, they, they go to a lot of 
trouble to make sure that 

662
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,280
they're on teams that can do 
that. 

663
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,080
And it's, you know, it's a, it's
a badge of honor for a Guild. 

664
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,440
If it's not an individual honor,
it's, it goes to your Guild. 

665
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,440
So if you leave a Guild, you 
lose your title for Hall of 

666
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,480
Fame, it stays with the Guild. 
Yeah. 

667
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,000
And I think that's important for
the game. 

668
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,720
It's it's important to have 
carrots for people and rewards 

669
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:05,800
for for achieving. 
It used to be that until. 

670
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,400
The Hall of Fame was filled. 
You weren't allowed to do Cross 

671
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,400
realm, right? 
It used to be that particular 

672
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,440
achievements were given to or 
like feats of strength were 

673
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,240
given to realm first kill, kills
of like particular bosses and so

674
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,600
forth, and that has all been 
done away with to allow for 

675
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,880
cross realm play. 
Where do you find a tipping 

676
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,960
point is to go from one to the 
other? 

677
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,920
My guess is when the player. 
Base was dumpstered and that 

678
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,200
there wasn't enough people to 
justify keeping realm first and 

679
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,360
they needed to open it up to 
cross realm to keep braiding 

680
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,280
alive otherwise it would have 
died off because people were too

681
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,000
spread across realms. 
Like you can't give a realm 

682
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,640
first title. 
I'm on Stonewall, but it's 

683
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:59,840
partnered with Mayev Shuhala. 
It's partnered with six 

684
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,160
different yeah the battle 
groups. 

685
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,320
So how do you give a realm first
title when the Guild is on 

686
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,840
Stonewall and there is just no 
Guild on Mayev that died? 

687
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,400
Like would we get the one for 
all of them? 

688
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,360
So I imagine it was just a 
logistics thing. 

689
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,480
Yeah. 
Yeah, and that doesn't I. 

690
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,520
Mean that's the battle groups 
don't really have names that 

691
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,080
doesn't feel that's like a 
faceless, you know, so I I 

692
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,760
imagine that and then just that 
the fact that they were forced 

693
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,320
to merge realms together, you 
know. 

694
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,680
Not really a point, but I do. 
Think the battle groups do have 

695
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,440
names, but I think the fact that
we don't know them is kind of 

696
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,320
telling as well. 
OK. 

697
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:41,760
And then the next question I 
would have of course is do you 

698
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:42,440
feel? 
Like. 

699
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,360
Mythic rating is in troubled 
because they are inventing this 

700
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,600
like you wouldn't go to such a 
drastic thing that hits tuning 

701
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,520
that changes the very nature 
that you have to like balance 

702
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,480
against Hall of Fame. 
If mythic rating didn't need the

703
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,720
help, do you find if you think 
that well, you work with Raider 

704
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:02,400
IO. 
So you see you see these 

705
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,440
numbers. 
Does mythic rating need this 

706
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,320
help? 
Yeah, I think mithic grading 

707
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,760
needs the. 
Help for sure. 

708
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,120
I think it's more Blizzard 
having foresight to look ahead 

709
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,960
and seeing where Mythic grading 
was at and where it's headed, 

710
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,480
especially now in the new world 
we live in and getting ahead of 

711
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,040
it and saying we're going to 
need to bolster this roster. 

712
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:25,720
We, we've said it for a long 
time, you know, the rest of the 

713
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:27,320
world first. 
There's only so many players on 

714
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,320
those rosters because they just 
keep trading back and forth. 

715
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,000
There's just no new blood coming
in. 

716
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,040
In order to get new people in, 
you have to entice them in. 

717
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,200
And that means finding a way to,
to entice people in from heroic 

718
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,280
guilds. 
There are absolutely people on 

719
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,280
heroic guilds that could play in
Hall of Fame guilds, mythic, if 

720
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,360
they had the, the time and, or 
the inclination. 

721
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,520
And this is just, it's opening 
that doorway to them and saying,

722
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,040
hey, and it's also something the
community's been asking for for 

723
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,800
a very, very long time. 
So yeah, I think, but. 

724
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,720
IA Blizzard has those numbers. 
They can they. 

725
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:01,160
I guarantee they've looked and 
seen where rating is, how many 

726
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,320
kills, how many clears we have 
of bosses going forward. 

727
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,800
And you know, that's almost 
without a doubt that they've 

728
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,400
they're seeing the writing on 
the wall. 

729
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,760
And maybe they've been listening
to podcasts and streamers and 

730
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,240
Twitter and everybody saying, 
hey, listen, if you're going to 

731
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,800
change raids this way, it's not 
fun for a lot of us. 

732
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,800
And they're saying, OK, well, 
we'll bring in new people that 

733
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,720
do find it fun, hopefully. 
Are you still on your? 

734
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,480
Way out next to it here is that 
what that is the solution that 

735
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,440
you're does the battery of a go 
flex or not you're done I mean 

736
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,000
I. 
Have made my. 

737
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,600
I think I made my stance pretty 
clear. 

738
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:44,200
I need to see some level of I 
need. 

739
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,160
To I I got to see. 
I need to see the result. 

740
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,600
I I want to. 
I don't just want to be told 

741
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,440
things, I want to see those 
things in action and hopefully 

742
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,480
we do. 
I don't think we did this to 

743
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,080
here but. 
Lex, As for you. 

744
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,520
With the roster boss, as you 
were calling it, somewhat 

745
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,720
defeated or cowed, is this 
something that would more likely

746
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,840
allow your team to like dive 
into it? 

747
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,520
Yeah, so I said. 
At the beginning of this that I 

748
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,960
don't think this would actually 
change whether or not my team 

749
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,640
would do mythic and the past 
like 45 seconds I've been in a 

750
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,360
conversation with the officers. 
OK, if you're on my team, this 

751
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,640
is not me making an 
announcement. 

752
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,440
To be very, very clear, Lex is 
not saying whatever Taverns 

753
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,120
going to do. 
We were having a conversation 

754
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,080
about mythic that I did not 
think would happen again. 

755
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,920
I thought that we might have 
been like kind of like hard. 

756
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,080
We tried it, we didn't like it. 
No thank you. 

757
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,760
So, yeah, maybe actually, which 
I think I I think would be fun. 

758
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:48,760
I, you know, I it it does feel 
like mythic is such a wall of, 

759
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,720
you know, you're either an AOTC 
team or you're a mythic team. 

760
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,640
And our team has been the type 
of team that hits AOTC usually 

761
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:02,240
like with months to spare and 
then takes a break, which I kind

762
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:05,680
of like I, you know, I, I do 
think for me personally, having,

763
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,440
I don't want to play world. 
This is bad as a podcast. 

764
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,440
So it's on a World of Warcraft 
podcast, but I don't want to 

765
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,480
play World of Warcraft every 
single day for years in a row, 

766
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,520
right? 
Like I want breaks. 

767
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,160
I want some time that I get to, 
you know, play other games, 

768
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,360
watch TV, hang out with my dog, 
read books, right. 

769
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,280
And so I like having those solid
break times, but a few months, 

770
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,720
sometimes a little long, right? 
But you know, what are we going 

771
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,840
to do, right? 
Are we going to push Bithik and 

772
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,640
deal with the sits and the 
complications And, you know, 

773
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,880
what happens if we don't have 
enough people Like that feels 

774
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,720
kind of bad. 
Or are we just going to run AOTC

775
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,160
again and again and again and 
again and again until I want to 

776
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,760
like throw my computer out the 
window every time I hear a voice

777
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,240
line. 
So I think having something that

778
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:54,840
you can sort of play at without 
getting fully in, I think 

779
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,080
actually would make Mythic feel 
like something that we could, we

780
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,240
could try, right? 
We could experiment with it and 

781
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:01,920
see how it goes. 
Timber much happened with the 

782
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,040
complete one. 80 What a huge 
announcement from Lex here live 

783
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,400
on the show, speaking for all 
the officers. 

784
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,320
It's like one of your officers 
is watching us right now. 

785
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,480
And they were like, hey, we 
gotta tell Lex to stop telling 

786
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,360
people we're not doing this. 
Yeah, that's exactly that's. 

787
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,200
Exactly what? 
Happened. 

788
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,800
And certainly not that I would, 
in the middle of a podcast 

789
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,480
episode, copy in an article into
Officer chat and be like, what 

790
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,560
do we think about this? 
Because that would make me a bad

791
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,880
podcast host. 
So no, it was definitely the 

792
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:28,320
first. 
Yeah. 

793
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,280
Actually, like I don't need to 
listen to what Sean's. 

794
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,960
Going to say he's going to say a
lot of gobbledygook. 

795
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,160
He's going to say this is great 
for mythic Raiders and I don't 

796
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,040
care about those people. 
Let me do my doubts every week. 

797
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,760
They're so mean. 
Well. 

798
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:48,120
Moving on from the toxic Mythic 
Raiders to the toxic Mythic Plus

799
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:54,800
players, we have a adjustment or
rather announcement of things 

800
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,520
for Mythic Plus. 
So Sean, do you want to cover 

801
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,560
this one? 
Yeah. 

802
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,280
For sure so. 
I don't have the article in 

803
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,400
front of me, but I'm going to 
give you the TLDR that means too

804
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,400
long. 
Didn't read. 

805
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,880
For those of you who don't know 
what TLDR means, and there could

806
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,440
be some of you I don't know. 
Starting in 12 point 0.5 this 

807
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,720
season there will be two new 
carrots for mythic plus players.

808
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,440
The first happens at the score 
of 3400. 

809
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,600
So Blizzard has identified that.
You know what, we recognize that

810
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,600
between all twelves timed, which
is your first level for 

811
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,320
resilient or and removal of 
South of FX's or all 10s which 

812
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,040
is portals and maximum Volt 
slot. 

813
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,560
There's not a lot of reason for 
players to push if they're not 

814
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,080
getting title. 
Title is the .1% and the gap 

815
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,960
between all twelves time to .1% 
is huge. 

816
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,040
So you see a lot of people hit 
that twelves or hit 3K because 

817
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,160
it's kind of a personal goal and
stop there. 

818
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,400
Blizzard wants to improve that. 
They want to give us a reason to

819
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,640
do more. 
They want to reward those people

820
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,600
who do already push their limits
beyond to see and they want to 

821
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,160
try and incentivize others to 
get into it. 

822
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:07,960
So now starting at 3400 IO, 
which is all sixteens in time 

823
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,800
with A1 star time, obviously 
this number fluctuates. 

824
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,880
If you're 2 starring, if you're 
2 chesting fifteens, then you 

825
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,120
have to do less sixteens, yadda 
yadda. 

826
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,640
But it's all sixteens across the
board. 

827
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:22,520
Gives you 3400 and you will get 
a saddle very similar to the 

828
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,400
vicious saddles that you get 
from PvP. 

829
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,440
And this saddle will be able to 
purchase from a selection of 

830
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:37,160
mounts from the KSM and KSL pool
and potentially others we don't 

831
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,800
know. 
It just says it specifically 

832
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,240
mentions KSM and KSL mounts and 
how the saddle will let you 

833
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:45,000
purchase previous ones that you 
didn't get. 

834
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,960
It doesn't mention anything else
now. 

835
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,080
I think a lot of people are 
hoping for other things. 

836
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,240
One thing I've seen suggested is
any dungeon mounts, any mouse 

837
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,600
that drop in a dungeon that was 
part of a mythic plus pool. 

838
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,560
Having these available for 
purchase would be cool, but yes,

839
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,200
we don't know yet. 
We'll find out Tuesday 

840
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,120
presumably when we see what the 
options are. 

841
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,520
But you get a saddle that you 
can use to buy that. 

842
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,560
If it's like the PvP saddles, 
you can bank it and hold it for 

843
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,080
another season. 
You don't have to spend it that 

844
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,040
season. 
That's how the PvP saddles work.

845
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,520
Again, we don't know for sure if
this will work that way, but 

846
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,240
potential add a little by 
amount. 

847
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,200
If you've already got all of the
KSM and KSL mounts and those are

848
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,760
the only ones on the list, I 
guess you just get a cool mount 

849
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,440
for hitting 3400. 
I don't know. 

850
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,960
Again, did you say that they're 
going to? 

851
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,200
Be adding new mounts to the pool
so it. 

852
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,560
It mentions it, yeah. 
So if, if you, I'll read it word

853
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,240
for word because I think a lot 
of people are misreading it. 

854
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:36,800
Go for it. 
So. 

855
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,800
It says Keystone. 
Myth will launch with a 3400 

856
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,000
rating requirement, but we do 
not expect that threshold to 

857
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,840
remain. 
Oh sorry, above, further above 

858
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,360
upon 30. 
Upon reaching 3400 Mythic Plus 

859
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,880
rating, players will earn a time
slot Saddle, earned once per War

860
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,920
Band per season. 
This item can be bought can be 

861
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,640
brought to Lindormi and Silver 
Moon or the Time Waves, where it

862
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,960
can be exchanged for a mount of 
your choice from a curated 

863
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,480
selection. 
This is the important part. 

864
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,120
This includes Keystone Master 
and Keystone Legend mounts from 

865
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,560
previous seasons, as well as all
new mounts being added to the 

866
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,280
pool. 
That to me reads as all new 

867
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,840
Keystone Master and Keystone 
Legend mounts which you would 

868
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,080
have already earned by getting 
to 3400. 

869
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,040
So you're well. 
I, I I think that it it's 

870
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,520
supposed to be read as as well 
as all new mounts, as in like 

871
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,680
entirely new mounts will be 
added to this pool. 

872
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,040
I do not. 
I do. 

873
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,640
Not read it that way at all. 
The first one would imply. 

874
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:42,240
A long term like. 
The the only reason the way that

875
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:45,600
the first. 
One would make sense would be if

876
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,280
they're confirming with this 
that this is staying on forever 

877
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,840
and so all new mounts are going 
to be added in the future. 

878
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:53,920
Yeah, so they are. 
They did say. 

879
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,640
This is staying forever. 
Oh, did they? 

880
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,040
They do say that this Yeah, this
is going to launch with a 3400 

881
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,840
rating requirement. 
But we don't expect that to 

882
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,200
remain fixed forever. 
Evolve season to season. 

883
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,640
We're going to want the 
achievement to represent a 

884
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,360
similar level of difficulty each
season. 

885
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,480
Beyond that, we may adjust the 
rating requirement future 

886
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,040
seasons. 
OK, that actually, so never 

887
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:10,600
mind. 
I can't read. 

888
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,360
Yeah. 
So I I. 

889
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,760
AM the The reason I want to 
bring this up is because the 

890
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,880
next thing they announced is 
Umbrell Champion which is a new 

891
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,400
1% reward. 
So we currently have the reward 

892
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,760
for the .1% which is the title. 
This is a percent for the top 1%

893
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,200
of mythic plus players and they 
will get a mount. 

894
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:37,040
I think people are reading this 
as that mount being purchasable 

895
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,600
by getting 3400. 
Oh sure. 

896
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,400
And, and because that mount will
almost certainly not be in that 

897
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,120
pool. 
It shouldn't be because that 

898
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,720
mount is for getting a score 
that is considerably higher than

899
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,040
3400. 
Is there a word for the top 1%? 

900
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,880
Of the plus ratings and also 
every single person who gets a 

901
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,560
34, yeah, Who gets 3400, yeah. 
Unless unless it gets added to 

902
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,840
the like if the season 1 umbrell
champion mount gets added to the

903
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,520
season 2 pool. 
So you didn't get it in season 1

904
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:05,960
but you can buy it in season 2 I
don't think. 

905
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,120
Just like you can't buy the Glad
mounts with Vicious saddles, I 

906
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,120
don't think you're going to be 
able to buy the Umbrel Champion 

907
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,320
mounts with the Keystone Myth 
saddles. 

908
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,160
So this sentence, this includes 
Keystone Master and Keystone 

909
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,280
Legend mounts from previous 
seasons, as well as all new 

910
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:28,360
mounts being added to the pool, 
is extremely vague and as it is 

911
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,560
written it is only mentioning 
KSM and KSL mounts and doesn't 

912
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,560
indicate any other mounts from 
other sources. 

913
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,600
So if you don't have all the KSM
and KSL mounts, this is great, 

914
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,200
you can earn start to earn them.
But if you do I I don't know 

915
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,000
what this gives you. 
I think that that is. 

916
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,960
A small amount of players and 
continuing to get smaller. 

917
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:54,280
This is me. 
I have every single KSLKSM mount

918
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,160
that has ever been released. 
I read it the same way you do 

919
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:03,360
Sean. 
It as all the new mounts right? 

920
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,360
Not all new mounts that are that
are being created specifically 

921
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,680
for this. 
The specific new mount is akin 

922
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,080
to Gladiator that you can get 
for being in that top 1%. 

923
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,840
That is a high level of prestige
that you won't be able to get in

924
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,040
the future through through other
means, much to some people's 

925
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,240
chagrin. 
I know that will be something to

926
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:32,240
complain about. 
And for those, the comparison to

927
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:35,600
PvP is pretty good. 
The people who get saddles, 

928
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,360
there's no new mounts that you 
can get with saddles. 

929
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,720
It's going back through the 
backlog and picking out mounts 

930
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:46,480
that you've missed. 
So I think that's equivalent. 

931
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:52,080
I think that is. 
Like it's clearly the president.

932
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,440
Is there so I I think that is 
fine. 

933
00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:00,160
Obviously, personally I would 
love to get a new mount, but I 

934
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:06,120
have to point to the fact that 
you can only get 1 saddle per 

935
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,680
season per account. 
And if they added in a new 

936
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,320
mount, you would be doing 
yourself a disservice by going 

937
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,360
backwards because you would 
always be infinitely behind. 

938
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:22,920
So that that seems like such a 
bad situation to put a player 

939
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,080
base in. 
And that's another knock against

940
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,680
this being some unique mount 
that is only accessible with 

941
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,000
these saddles. 
Yeah, I'm. 

942
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,680
Like, I'm almost positive that 
this is only going to give you 

943
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,680
the option to buy previous KSM 
and KSL mounts if you don't have

944
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,480
them. 
But I would like for it to also 

945
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,400
include any mounts from dungeons
that were part of the the the 

946
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,080
keystone of the mythic plus pool
for those of us who already have

947
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,160
all the KSM and KSL mounts. 
So for example, the stone vault 

948
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,640
mount that is a rare drop in 
stone vault. 

949
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,600
Stone vault was a mythic plus 
dungeon. 

950
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,160
If that was purchasable with one
of these saddles, I think that 

951
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,720
would be nice. 
Not all dungeon mounts, just 

952
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:03,200
dungeons that were part of a 
mythic plus pool. 

953
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:04,800
Understood. 
Yeah. 

954
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,200
I think that would make it would
give it an option for people who

955
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,400
either have every KSMKSL mount 
that they would like or just 

956
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,640
flat out have them all. 
There's just not that many. 

957
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,520
It only goes. 
Back to the last season of BFA, 

958
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,840
the KSM mounts, that's the first
one that appeared from that 

959
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,040
point. 
So if you have everything from 

960
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,680
then forward like you've got 
them all, it's not not a ton, 

961
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,600
it's like less than a dozen 
mounts. 

962
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,640
Yeah, I forgot that. 
Mythic Plus was so new when I 

963
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,720
was looking at that list of the 
mounts available. 

964
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,720
Like there's no way. 
But yeah, it's, it's really, 

965
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:42,280
it's really a, a fairly small 
group, yeah. 

966
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,680
I do find it. 
Strange that it is a curated 

967
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,680
list that that's not available. 
Not all of them are available 

968
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,680
and you just go and pick. 
I'd like to know the reasoning 

969
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,480
behind that, but that's not 
something that's explained in 

970
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,840
the article, no. 
So we'll find out Tuesday. 

971
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,000
So we we could be completely 
wrong. 

972
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,000
They could launch this and it 
could be old Mop challenge 

973
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,040
mounts, challenge mode maps like
it could be, you know, it could 

974
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,560
be any. 
I hope it's that AOTC mount that

975
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,000
everybody pissed blood over when
they thought it was going to 

976
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,520
show up in Mop. 
Remix that wolf you. 

977
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,320
Remember the one from? 
Yeah, I hope it's that one. 

978
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,920
I hope it's that one and that 
chicken that everybody likes. 

979
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,760
No, that's got. 
To be that itself, it's got to 

980
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:29,240
be like the Twitch drop. 
To end all Twitch drops, you can

981
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:33,200
go to the to. 
EBay and see how. 

982
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,560
Much those those mounts are 
going for right now. 

983
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,360
But overall, I think this is a 
positive. 

984
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,640
I think this is a good thing for
the Mythic Plus community. 

985
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,800
I think it's good to reward 
players who push themselves 

986
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,040
already, and I think it's nice 
to give a carrot to potentially 

987
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,400
move some people off of. 
You know, I'm timing all 

988
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,680
twelves, but I don't think I'll 
get title, so I'm just going to 

989
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,000
stop here. 
I think it's good to give that 

990
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,600
incentive to get them to push 
harder. 

991
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,600
I like this. 
It interests me, but it really 

992
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,880
puts into perspective like my 
burnout. 

993
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:11,640
I don't like if I were to 
continue rating on 2 characters 

994
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:16,480
doing like 16 plus mythic, 
mythic plus a week, all that all

995
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,240
that stuff. 
And I know there are people who 

996
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,280
do it with like way more 
characters than me, but with 

997
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:26,920
like my available time and, and 
what I want to engage with, it's

998
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,960
too much. 
And so like, I like systems. 

999
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,080
That are deeper that. 
Allow you to explore them as 

1000
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,720
much as you want rather than 
being done with a system so 

1001
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:42,080
quickly that my. 
Logical alternative is. 

1002
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,160
To do it all over again on 
another character. 

1003
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:52,400
I like that I could go further 
into mythic rating more easily. 

1004
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,200
I like that I can go further 
into Mythic Plus with one 

1005
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,040
character and make that 
character my own. 

1006
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,800
I like that professions actually
have some depth, and I'm not 

1007
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,720
done with them by sitting down 
with a guide one afternoon and 

1008
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:08,000
buying out enough to like Max it
out. 

1009
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:14,680
And I'm glad that the depth of 
these game systems is being 

1010
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:20,360
explored because this season, 
having like, stretched myself 

1011
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:25,160
more widely than I have before, 
like. 

1012
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:29,280
I get it, Sean. 
Like I like pray because I get 

1013
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,000
in, get out and don't have to 
deal with it. 

1014
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,840
It's a checklist to me. 
And I like when Lex is like, Oh 

1015
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,800
yeah, go through spelunking into
caves and stuff. 

1016
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:44,000
And I get that, that interest. 
I want that joy, but like I. 

1017
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,280
Don't want to spend? 
More than 5 minutes on a prey 

1018
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,480
when I want to when I also need 
to be checking off the The Dells

1019
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,880
off the list and then checking 
off the mythic plus off the 

1020
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,360
list. 
I don't want to push past what 

1021
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,920
gets me the maximum gear out of 
my vault when I've. 

1022
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,920
Got to do that on. 
The next 2-3 other tunes and I 

1023
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,120
find. 
I don't know. 

1024
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,760
Like I, I'm sure people enjoy 
this and they like that 

1025
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,800
checklist. 
I am a mount collector and 

1026
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,760
that's very much a checklist 
sort of activity of like there 

1027
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,960
are definitely mount that I 
absolutely love and treasure 

1028
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,160
more than anything else, but 
there are a ton of mounts that I

1029
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,200
pick up just to like in see 
number go up and I. 

1030
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,680
Don't like that so much? 
Of this game is becoming number 

1031
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:39,160
go up to me it's. 
Robbing the joy. 

1032
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,320
Like if I miss a night because 
I'm hanging out with my with my 

1033
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,280
friend for her birthday and my 
friends from the state, I can't 

1034
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,760
miss. 
I can't do a raid night because.

1035
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,280
Family or whatever other. 
Commitments and that puts me 

1036
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,640
behind I get frustrated that 
whatever I need to do takes me 

1037
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,800
five extra minutes like that's 
just a point of like irritation 

1038
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,280
and. 
Like maybe it's just. 

1039
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,880
Like because I I have had 
burnout like I had vaults that 

1040
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,920
were full on every slot for 
every week up until last week 

1041
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,520
where I didn't do a single 
mythic plus on one character and

1042
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,000
on both characters and I missed 
half my rating on another 

1043
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,600
character. 
I went from 10 hours of rating 

1044
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:31,560
in a week to like. 
I think I got. 5:00-ish Yeah, I 

1045
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:36,440
did matchy make 5:00-ish because
this pure burnout and I. 

1046
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,000
And while I know there are. 
Players that enjoy that level of

1047
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,320
play and like being able to like
get that breath and width of 

1048
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,280
play. 
It's it's not me and I'm. 

1049
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:53,320
Glad that they like that they 
are putting things out out for 

1050
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,440
me and it's nothing to do with 
the characters. 

1051
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,720
I love how Warlock is playing 
right now. 

1052
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,760
I love how. 
I generally love how shaman. 

1053
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,560
'S playing. 
I wish the single single target 

1054
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:10,600
was like a bit better and like a
bunch of classes that seem like 

1055
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,360
a lot of fun are out there. 
I think that the they've done it

1056
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:19,080
well. 
I just am looking for stuff that

1057
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,840
rewards a single character more,
even if it's just story. 

1058
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,240
I don't know what what's what's.
Your take on that, Lex? 

1059
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,560
Yeah, my take is I do not gear. 
More than one character. 

1060
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,120
At a time and I also. 
Don't really do mythic plus and 

1061
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,680
it's a great way to live. 
Maybe I'm bad at the game but 

1062
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,720
I'm having a grand old time. 
Although I should say I did say 

1063
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:47,400
this at the beginning but like I
also I I enjoy playing delves 

1064
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:53,600
and pray when I'm doing it but 
once I hit full champ gear I. 

1065
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,760
Sit down at night. 
And I'm like, I, I mean like, I 

1066
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,520
could, I guess go do a couple 
bells. 

1067
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:04,080
But it yeah, I, I, I think. 
There is some. 

1068
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,400
Degree to which World of 
Warcraft has a little bit of the

1069
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,480
giving a kid a sticker for 
coloring problem, right Where if

1070
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,840
you are very used to, oh, I'm 
doing this thing, it's really 

1071
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,760
fun for me and I get a reward 
when I do it and I get a reward 

1072
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,320
and then you stop getting the 
reward. 

1073
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,480
Yeah, why would you do it right?
Like, I mean, yeah, because it's

1074
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,000
fun, sure, whatever. 
But like I. 

1075
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,920
I was getting a sticker right? 
And like, I mean, yeah, I used 

1076
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,040
to color, but like, if I'm not 
going to get the sticker, I 

1077
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,880
could go do something else, 
right? 

1078
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,400
And I, I, I frankly, I'm, I'm 
very impressed with the people 

1079
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,440
who do the, you know, super fun 
game modes just for the sake of 

1080
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,400
fun, because it's a fun game. 
And I think that's kind of 

1081
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,040
supposed to be the point. 
But yeah, I, I, I would hope 

1082
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,680
that that. 
Is the point of games like I, I 

1083
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,440
look, I. 
Look at world of. 

1084
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,360
Warcraft and it's very like 
something you said at the 

1085
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:01,040
earlier on in the podcast, you 
said your team likes rating and 

1086
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,280
getting some time off so you can
do other things. 

1087
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:08,160
And I love that time when the 
game like I do enjoy when the 

1088
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,600
game doesn't have things that 
make me want to play. 

1089
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,880
Like I've already complained 
about how like they will do the 

1090
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,800
turbo boost thing and you'll 
have to come back because you've

1091
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:23,840
got to get the gear to to get up
and I play. 

1092
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,440
Played. 
Blueprints and I love that game.

1093
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,680
No man, that was like such such 
a thing. 

1094
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:33,360
And I play other games when I'm 
not playing World of Warcraft. 

1095
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,480
Like I love playing Magic the 
Gathering which isn't going to 

1096
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,560
get me any item level anytime 
soon. 

1097
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,520
And I I think. 
That like while the speed of 

1098
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,520
the. 
Patches and such. 

1099
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:54,840
Is good for people who want to 
remain engaged I think that they

1100
01:01:54,840 --> 01:02:00,600
need to diversify the rewards 
that they're giving so people 

1101
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,400
who want to step away can't step
away without the guilt of 

1102
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,440
compromising their team or 
pulling your team back. 

1103
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,120
I forget how exactly you said 
it, Lex. 

1104
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,360
Right I. 
I I'm not sure. 

1105
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,800
I just, I don't know what it is 
because like I do feel that they

1106
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,240
should reward, they should give 
people additional power so they 

1107
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,920
can push through those like 
bosses that they were getting a 

1108
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,240
roadblock on. 
But like maybe just put it back 

1109
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:34,680
to like the what are we the 
crystals in Narobar Palace that 

1110
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,880
like gave you no get out get. 
Out. 

1111
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,000
No, you don't like that. 
What hell screams are you 

1112
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,040
thinking of? 
Are you thinking of? 

1113
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,840
Sanctum of domination. 
The fucking no no, no no no 

1114
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,840
Narobar. 
Palace you would every couple of

1115
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:53,040
weeks you get enough crystals to
give yourself a 3% damage boost 

1116
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,680
and stuff. 
Oh yeah, you had to collect. 

1117
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,480
See I don't like that either 
because you have to collect them

1118
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,760
off the bosses so you still have
to play every week. 

1119
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,040
OK, they dropped off the. 
Bosses I think. 

1120
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,880
The way they did it, I mean, the
renowned track is again the same

1121
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:04,920
thing. 
You got to play every week. 

1122
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,800
Yeah, I think this new system is
probably good because it's 1% a 

1123
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,320
week and I assume it just turns 
on. 

1124
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:11,560
I don't think you have to do 
anything. 

1125
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,160
OK, yeah, if they're going to do
a a power boost like that to to 

1126
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,120
resolve the issue you're talking
about, I don't, I don't think it

1127
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,080
needs to be. 
I think it just needs to happen 

1128
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,320
automatically. 
I think making it be something 

1129
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,640
that you have to have played the
game to get defeats the purpose.

1130
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,400
If if we're worried about 
Burnham, we're worried about 

1131
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,120
people not being miserable, not 
wanting to play, forcing them to

1132
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,520
have to play to get a 3% buff. 
And then so you take a week off,

1133
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,360
you show up to raid, now you 
don't have the buff and 

1134
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,120
everybody else does. 
But that's yeah, I that was what

1135
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,240
how that wasn't no, but you had 
to kill the bosses to collect 

1136
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,200
the thing. 
So teams were doing clears 

1137
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,920
before raid nights to get the 
buff so they would have it for 

1138
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,320
their raid nights. 
So I guess. 

1139
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,280
The Wrath of the Lich King, War 
Chief's call and stuff where 

1140
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,440
it's automatic and here's an 
extra 5%, here's an extra 5% 

1141
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,560
sort of thing. 
Maybe we. 

1142
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,480
Launched the bosses. 
I have a hot take. 

1143
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,240
This is a hot take. 
It's a it's a spicy take. 

1144
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:05,800
If you're a fan of the race 
world first, you're going to 

1145
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,320
hate me. 
Send that hate mail to bit dot 

1146
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,520
LY slash faz discord. 
OK, good. 

1147
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,800
I know what you're about to. 
Talk about and I, I like, I 

1148
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,080
almost didn't talk about on the 
show, but I'd love to. 

1149
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,120
I'd love for you to give your 
take, I think. 

1150
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:24,080
The raid tier needs to launch 
tuned for the Hall of Fame, not 

1151
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,840
tuned for the race to world 
first and then dialed back, 

1152
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,640
which is what we do now. 
Right now we, well what we do 

1153
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:35,200
now is release it, panic Buffett
till the race is over, wait for 

1154
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,680
method to kill the bosses and 
then dial it back. 

1155
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,480
And that I mean it happened this
year. 

1156
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:46,560
We saw instant dollars who was 
in 9th place jump to 5th place 

1157
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:52,840
because the tuning they did on 
Lura was so egregious that they 

1158
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,080
leapfrogged 5 other teams from 
the EU that were progging it 

1159
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,480
ahead of them who just didn't 
get the the nerf in time because

1160
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:00,920
it happens on Wednesday for 
them. 

1161
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,560
So they leapfrogged a bunch of 
teams that they were behind on 

1162
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,240
prog on like they were, they 
were not in kill range and then 

1163
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,800
the nerve happened and they 
killed it in four poles, I think

1164
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:14,720
it was. 
I think I think it's time for 

1165
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:19,960
the race to roll first, to stop 
being as degenerate as it is to 

1166
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,720
stop having 20 characters run 
infinite splits. 

1167
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,320
I think you release the raid 
tuned in the state that you 

1168
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:27,640
wanted to be for the Hall of 
Fame. 

1169
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,280
So for that top 200 slots and if
the race clears it in three days

1170
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,760
and they don't have to do 40 
days of splits or 40, 40 hours 

1171
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,520
of splits, great. 
And then you leave that tuning 

1172
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,520
as is till the hall closes. 
You put it where it needs to be 

1173
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,120
for the Hall of Fame, leave it 
till the hall closes. 

1174
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:47,240
And then give us set dates. 
Tell us On this date we're going

1175
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:48,880
to we're going to nerf these 
bosses. 

1176
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,960
Let us know ahead of time like 
they did with with class tuning.

1177
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:56,720
I don't think, I think, I think.
We got to stop doing. 

1178
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,600
These baby steps and I think we 
have to stop catering to the 

1179
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,160
race to world first. 
And I know people don't want to 

1180
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,080
hear that because they're like, 
oh, the race is the biggest 

1181
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,600
advertisement for the game and 
it's the spectacle and it brings

1182
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,240
everybody in. 
And if it wasn't for the race, 

1183
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,320
nobody would ever experience 
Warcraft or discover it and play

1184
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,520
it. 
But that's not that's just not 

1185
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,960
true. 
And I mean, we're looking right.

1186
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,280
We're seeing it in real time 
right now. 

1187
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,280
Teams who are being affected by 
these nerves that are happening,

1188
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,040
who are losing spots on the 
leaderboard that they thought 

1189
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,080
they were going to get because 
nerves happen different at 

1190
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,320
different times for different 
regions. 

1191
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,480
And, you know, and then we run 
into teams that are hitting 

1192
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:32,760
walls and they can't do 
anything. 

1193
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,240
They can't raid at all because 
the boss is tuned for three 

1194
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,680
guilts. 
Anyway, that's what I think. 

1195
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,840
Yeah, you, I, I've actually. 
Never in the wild heard the 

1196
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,080
argument that like, the race 
pulls people into World of 

1197
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,560
Warcraft. 
So it's possible that I'm, you 

1198
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:52,960
know, getting angry off of like 
telephoned information, but that

1199
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,400
I'm like half the World of 
Warcraft players that I know 

1200
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,360
don't watch the race, right? 
Like I I actually OK actually 

1201
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,240
no, I'm not going to be snarky 
and me I am genuinely curious. 

1202
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,000
I genuinely and openly would 
love to hear either in our 

1203
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,280
comments or at bit dot LY slash 
fast discord if you or someone 

1204
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,080
you are like close with got into
World of Warcraft through 

1205
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,120
watching the race and had no 
World of Warcraft experience. 

1206
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:22,200
Like it was 100% just, oh, I 
discovered this one cool thing 

1207
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:23,600
and now I'm interested in World 
of Warcraft. 

1208
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,000
And also how you felt when you 
learned what World of Warcraft 

1209
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,480
looks like when it's not being 
played by the top. 

1210
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,160
Top .001% what it's at what the 
game's actually. 

1211
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,160
Like and look to be. 
Fair. 

1212
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,280
I don't have. 
Anything near a horse in this 

1213
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,560
race because I'm not playing 
remotely at the content where 

1214
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,200
I'm feeling these shockwave, 
right? 

1215
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,480
I'm here for the snack. 
I'm here for the funny little 

1216
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,400
tongue, right? 
I, I believe you guys as the 

1217
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,560
people who do feel the 
shockwaves that this is a 

1218
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,960
problem. 
Do I have a single hair of a 

1219
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:55,720
horse in this race? 
Surely not. 

1220
01:07:56,080 --> 01:08:00,720
So, you know, I feel like that's
a weird. 

1221
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,280
Argument Lex. 
I feel like that's a weird 

1222
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,960
argument. 
Like there we've had on this 

1223
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,800
show conversations of like how 
many devs actually race at a 

1224
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,320
like at like a cutting edge 
level, at a Hall of Fame level, 

1225
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,240
Definitely not in the race the 
world first level, right. 

1226
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,439
And how can those devs really 
talk about about this? 

1227
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,640
Like, obviously they they build 
this race even though they're 

1228
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,520
not on the race the world first 
teams. 

1229
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,560
So they have some sort of input 
in on that, probably an outsized

1230
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,680
input that any guy on any of our
mics. 

1231
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,720
And there's a question of like, 
do you need to be actively 

1232
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,520
participating in it? 
Do you need to have that horse 

1233
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,880
in the race to talk about it 
with any kind of confidence? 

1234
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,279
And I don't think that that is 
true because like, especially in

1235
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:46,920
this particular argument where 
it's like if you have a friend 

1236
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:50,160
who joins your Guild because 
they're like, oh, I'm just 

1237
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,439
getting into it. 
And I felt I saw like Echo and 

1238
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,279
all those guys playing. 
I was like, this is a cool game.

1239
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,040
And they joined Timbermar 
Tavern. 

1240
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:02,120
Well, that's this conversation 
affecting you, but more than 

1241
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,000
that, right. 
And, and maybe this is part of 

1242
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:09,080
part of my burnout. 
I think that people are going to

1243
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:14,080
defend what they want. 
And a lot of these arguments are

1244
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,560
going to be done, especially at 
the the show, Like you're both 

1245
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,520
intelligent people. 
I would have invited you onto 

1246
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,080
the show if you if you were 
stupid. 

1247
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:22,600
And if you think you're stupid, 
you're just misinformed. 

1248
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,800
And so we're going to defend the
arguments well because we can 

1249
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,479
think of angles and we can think
of ways to defend our positions,

1250
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,960
which makes it harder for us to 
shift positions. 

1251
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:42,880
But with this setup, if somebody
is doing well and gets against 

1252
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,399
the wall because of tuning, 
whether that is the initial 

1253
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:48,760
tuning that happens right after 
the race to world first or 

1254
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,800
tuning that happens 2 weeks 
later, they're going to feel off

1255
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,920
put. 
And if we put it at a particular

1256
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:01,240
particular angle where we say, 
hey, it's now four weeks after 

1257
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:05,680
the raid has been opened up and 
that's where it where we're 

1258
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,520
going to do the adjustments that
might split part of the Hall of 

1259
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,520
Fame. 
And therefore Sean, Sean would 

1260
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,040
like that. 
But if we do buy the Hall of 

1261
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:18,760
Fame, there might be a Guild 
that is like 102nd or whatever 

1262
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,880
just outside the Hall of Fame 
cause like it, you know, like 

1263
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,800
the Hall of Fame fills 100 and 
then you have that week to get 

1264
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,000
in. 
Do you think I'm in the Hall of 

1265
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,880
Fame, Manny? 
No, Sean, you. 

1266
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,920
Are actually no, I apologize, 
sorry tech Yeah, OK. 

1267
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,240
Yeah, we did. 
We did get chimeras. 

1268
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,920
So the Hall of Fame Raider. 
Here trying to defend his that 

1269
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,160
doesn't really. 
Count, But yeah, anyway, no, in 

1270
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,440
the chimeras you are defending 
your. 

1271
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:43,000
Position for your personal 
stake, Sean? 

1272
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,000
Yeah, 'cause I even forgot about
that till you're like, do you 

1273
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,160
think it was like, actually, 
yeah, you are for that? 

1274
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,760
No, I wasn't thinking of you as 
the Hall of Fame Raider. 

1275
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:52,600
Sean. 
I see. 

1276
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,880
Give you as Sean presenting an 
opinion. 

1277
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:56,240
Gotcha. 
OK, cool, cool, cool. 

1278
01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:58,920
OK 'cause I'm not, I don't want,
I am not. 

1279
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,440
I wish I was at that skill 
level. 

1280
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:03,880
I'm I'm nowhere near there. 
Perhaps you are. 

1281
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,280
Maybe the rest of the gills. 
Holding you back? 

1282
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:06,840
I don't know. 
I've never raided those guys 

1283
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:11,480
anyways. 
We have. 

1284
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,040
Like. 
A set up where it's going to be.

1285
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:19,160
Arbitrary the how tough this 
race is versus how tough the 

1286
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:23,080
next race is versus how tough 
last race is, is based on a 

1287
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,600
number of different things in 
tuning as well as well as class 

1288
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,920
balance set up. 
As well as like when these guys 

1289
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,560
discover certain things as well 
as do they have add on authors 

1290
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:39,160
on staff or not that will affect
the rate at which these gills 

1291
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,640
progress. 
And so if the changes come in on

1292
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,600
a calendar date or based on a 
number of teams hitting a 

1293
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,320
particular benchmark, there are 
going to be teams that are going

1294
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:53,680
to feel shorthand the short 
stick from from those. 

1295
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:57,640
And so regardless of what they 
do, I'm not arguing for one way 

1296
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,320
or another. 
I think that the biggest thing 

1297
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,280
that I would take away from 
Sean's argument is that they are

1298
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,280
commutative and they're forward 
about it. 

1299
01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:11,520
So if they're saying, hey, we're
going to do changes every week 

1300
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,120
and. 
We're not sure which bosses. 

1301
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,520
Are going to be hit, but the 
bosses that seem to be causing 

1302
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,880
the most trouble are going to be
hit every week. 

1303
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:23,560
I think that might be OK because
the nuance of it doesn't feel as

1304
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,280
bad as when a huge wave of 
changes come in and then you 

1305
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,720
really feel robbed if it's 
incremental, you're like, hey, 

1306
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,960
let's get it in this week 
because we know next week there 

1307
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,480
are going to be changes and 
might be this boss that feels 

1308
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,560
like if it's more more 
scheduled, more frequent than 

1309
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,120
that, that feels like natural 
progression that wouldn't create

1310
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:46,200
such a hard break of like, well,
top three teams are in everybody

1311
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:47,800
else. 
Congratulations, now you can do 

1312
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,080
your race. 
Yeah. 

1313
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:50,920
I mean I. 
Think the other thing that would

1314
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:56,400
help a lot is if they stopped 
regional roll outs, right? 

1315
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,080
Because I feel like half of the 
reason this is an issue is just 

1316
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,080
because it's coming to people at
different times. 

1317
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,760
Like even with she's example of 
like, Oh well, you know like one

1318
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,960
person the the issue of the 
nurse they hit at such a time 

1319
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,520
that one person is able to go 
from 9th to 5th, that just 

1320
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,360
simply would not happen. 
I mean, it might have because 

1321
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,920
there's still like time zones 
and sleep schedules and stuff, 

1322
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,520
but if everything dropped at the
same time, and again, I'm not an

1323
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,840
engineer, I don't understand why
that would be complicated. 

1324
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,520
But if it was no longer like, Oh
well, E use a, you know, few 

1325
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,480
days behind or even the day 
behind that would. 

1326
01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:28,640
Fit so without going into 
engineering. 

1327
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:32,240
Because I am not an engineer 
either, I still hold one second.

1328
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:33,440
I thought we were all in. 
I thought. 

1329
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,680
We had to. 
Why did you require a PhD for me

1330
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,160
to be on this show? 
I had to fake APHD to get on 

1331
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:39,680
here. 
You mean to tell me you guys are

1332
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,720
nowadays engineer? 
Well, I mean you can get a P. 

1333
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,400
HD in something other than 
engineering? 

1334
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,560
No, it's the only PhD available.
Actually, that's it. 

1335
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,160
You can only get a P. 
HD that's. 

1336
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,960
What the the, it, it's. 
That's why the vaccines are. 

1337
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,680
Engineering in Latin. 
That's why the vaccines. 

1338
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:55,000
Are all so messed up. 
It's all by. 

1339
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,880
They're all designed by 
structural engineers. 

1340
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:01,440
You go but. 
What I was going to say is that.

1341
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,400
Even if you take. 
Out the technical limitations 

1342
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:11,640
and tomorrow snap a finger and 
every region is on, let's say 

1343
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,880
even the same servers. 
So like region regions no longer

1344
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,280
exist. 
They all get reset at the same 

1345
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,320
time. 
You still have the issue of what

1346
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:24,920
time servers reset in the middle
of limits raid day in the middle

1347
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:29,080
of echoes raid day and and that 
would cause an issue. 

1348
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,040
And that's already something 
that when the hot fixes come 

1349
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,760
because the hot fixes don't 
respect regional resets there. 

1350
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,320
There's already people being 
like, oh, they're favouring X or

1351
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:43,680
Y team based on when they they 
send the hot fix already. 

1352
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,440
So it would just, I think it 
would just shift the the 

1353
01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:49,120
argument and then cost them a 
bunch of money just to shift the

1354
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,560
argument. 
That's why until like it becomes

1355
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,680
cheap enough and the pros and 
the cons outweigh, like outweigh

1356
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:00,160
it, and it's not a argument 
about even race, the world first

1357
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:04,280
or Hall of Fame catering to the 
elites or catering to the 

1358
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:08,160
casuals, whatever that it makes 
sense on that level, then yeah, 

1359
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:09,720
go for it. 
But until then, yeah, I don't 

1360
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,520
care. 
In my defense, I'm either. 

1361
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,760
On record or have thought really
hard while we were having other 

1362
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,800
conversations that they should 
not they shouldn't touch 

1363
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,160
anything at least during race 
war first. 

1364
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,800
I think until Hall of Fame close
makes more sense but I unless it

1365
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,760
is literally like we are at 2000
polls and we're not going to get

1366
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,200
this boss down and everyone is 
stuck on the same wall. 

1367
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,960
I personally vote or like a game
breaking like everything I I 

1368
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,720
think they just let it run it's 
course and afterwards they learn

1369
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,880
their lessons and they tune 
differently in the next one. 

1370
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,800
I because I just the amount that
people. 

1371
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,240
Everything. 
Yeah, You know. 

1372
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,200
Oh, it was a reset during their 
poll and Oh well, you know, like

1373
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,360
you're right. 
Anytime they do any tuning 

1374
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,560
during the race, at least if not
through Hall of Fame, someone is

1375
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,840
going to feel that it was a 
personal affront and that is the

1376
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:57,640
reason why they did not win, 
right? 

1377
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,400
Everything can be twisted and to
some degree maybe that means you

1378
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:05,800
just let it roll off your back. 
But I I thought for a while that

1379
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:09,240
they should just, not just just.
Plug and go. 

1380
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,920
And if that means that you need 
to get your team, you know, your

1381
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,520
devs, spending more time running
mythic tests. 

1382
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:19,640
Sweet pay more QA that. 
Sounds great. 

1383
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,720
I'm happy about that. 
That's a win all around. 

1384
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,720
That's so so I, yeah, I, I, I, I
think. 

1385
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:28,840
Regardless of anything else, I 
think they should. 

1386
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,000
Stop tuning in the middle of the
race. 

1387
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,320
I think that has I I've never 
once seen them tune in the 

1388
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:35,840
middle of the race and 
everyone's like, that was so 

1389
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,240
good Blizzard, thank you so 
much. 

1390
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,280
We are happy. 
Nobody's upset. 

1391
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,720
We're all having a great time. 
That was such a win across the 

1392
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,320
board. 
I. 

1393
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,520
Definitely have. 
Seen where it's like, thank God 

1394
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,840
that that was impossible. 
How could you let it go live 

1395
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,760
like that as several 
conversations? 

1396
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,760
What the hell were you guys 
thinking when you tune that? 

1397
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,520
Of course it couldn't go live 
like that. 

1398
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,720
Do you guys even test your 
boss's sort of rhetoric 

1399
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,640
constantly like it? 
Obviously there's there's a 

1400
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,840
complaint for everything. 
There's a Twitter post for 

1401
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,120
everything. 
People are. 

1402
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:17,800
People are going to be people. 
I think that the Hall of Fame is

1403
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:25,920
a wider range of skill than 
we're giving it credit in this 

1404
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,040
conversation. 
I think that the people getting 

1405
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:36,040
like top 20 Hall of Fame versus 
the people who are, is it a 

1406
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:39,120
Horde and Alliance still? 
No, it's just top 200. 

1407
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:40,200
Teams. 
That's that's what I thought. 

1408
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:45,560
The people getting like in, 
yeah, it is under the wire. 

1409
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,840
It is a massive. 
Skill gap, like it's, it's a 

1410
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,800
huge skill gap, like the 
difference between Liquid and 

1411
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:55,560
Echo and the 10th place team is 
like Jeff Bezos to the guy that 

1412
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,760
owns your corner store. 
It's it's a massive difference 

1413
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,800
in skill. 
Most of the guys who are 10th. 

1414
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:05,680
Are significantly better people.
Yeah, they're definitely more. 

1415
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,760
Moral they wouldn't make. 
Weak oars against the wishes of 

1416
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,400
the game until somebody else did
it. 

1417
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,200
That's right. 
So. 

1418
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:16,320
Episode from from #1 to #200 is 
a huge skill gap. 

1419
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,760
That's why I think, I think it 
should be. 

1420
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:23,560
I think the raid should release 
tuned for number 200 and 

1421
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,640
everybody else just clears it 
faster. 

1422
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,920
They're taking breaks anyway and
they're going to run the raid on

1423
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,160
repeat anyway afterwards. 
I don't think it's a problem if 

1424
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:37,680
the race to world first is 6 
days instead of 10 days. 

1425
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,120
I don't think that's a problem. 
You know, it's a problem for 

1426
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,000
those teams because they lose 
sponsorship money. 

1427
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,520
But I don't care about that. 
I don't think it would. 

1428
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:50,240
Even be 6 days, I think that if 
it's tuned for that's good 200 I

1429
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,640
think you're looking at a 2 day 
race. 

1430
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,040
I think that's good. 
They. 

1431
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,480
Because then they don't have to 
do 20 splits, they don't have to

1432
01:18:56,480 --> 01:19:00,040
level 20 killers, which Max is 
on record as saying has caused 

1433
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:01,560
burn. 
But see, they won't. 

1434
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,240
If a team like Instant Dollars 
goes in there without doing it 

1435
01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:08,000
and is blasting towards the end 
boss, they're going to kill it 

1436
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,680
without having done that. 
Then they'll immediately swap in

1437
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,240
and that's what I think you just
make it easier. 

1438
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,120
Then teams don't have to do as 
many splits. 

1439
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:17,760
They don't have to have as many 
characters levelled. 

1440
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,480
It becomes more exciting. 
It becomes an actual Sprint 

1441
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:23,000
instead of what it is now. 
I don't know. 

1442
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:29,360
I just, I, I, I don't like I now
what you mentioned, if it was 

1443
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,760
regular communication of, hey, 
we're doing this on this, we're 

1444
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,760
doing this, you know, get ready 
for it. 

1445
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,960
But we had tuning happen this 
week to the life blind Vanguard 

1446
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,280
that wasn't ever announced. 
It got found through data 

1447
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,120
mining. 
Their health was all nerf, which

1448
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,920
is a pretty significant nerf 
because you were currently 

1449
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,040
having to run like really 
degenerate DPS comps. 

1450
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,400
You didn't have to, but it made 
the fight significantly easier 

1451
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,880
to run them. 
And so the health was nerfed of 

1452
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:55,560
all three of them and it just 
was never announced. 

1453
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,560
So even if they were like, hey, 
because they told us going into 

1454
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,120
the race and this was really 
good, they said you're on March 

1455
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:08,520
17th, March 24th, April 2nd and 
April 7th or whatever the dates 

1456
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,120
were. 
Your April, March 2030 first and

1457
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,800
then April 7th, you're getting 
tuning for classes on those 

1458
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,120
dates. 
If they release the raid and say

1459
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,440
On this date you're getting 
tuning for these bosses this 

1460
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:23,160
date, you're getting like, tell 
us something because the current

1461
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:27,480
state is, I don't know. 
I just, I don't, I'm tired of it

1462
01:20:27,480 --> 01:20:29,760
being tuned for the top three 
guilds. 

1463
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,640
And people are going to come 
with the argument of it's not 

1464
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,720
just the top three guilds. 
300,000 people watched. 

1465
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,240
Yeah, well those 300,000 people 
would watch on Thursday instead 

1466
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,320
of Monday if the race was easy. 
Yeah, frankly, I feel like, I 

1467
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,640
mean. 
Not to say everything is would 

1468
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,320
be it, it should be about me. 
But I mean, one reason I don't 

1469
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,040
watch the race is because like, 
how are we going to watch like 

1470
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,040
however many weeks? 
No. 

1471
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,440
And then we, I don't know. 
I yeah, if if the race was, you 

1472
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,800
know, two to three day affair, 
I'd be much more likely to and 

1473
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,160
especially the people who really
don't want to watch mythic 

1474
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:04,720
splits or heroic splits or 
whatever because they don't 

1475
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,280
understand World of Warcraft 
because apparently it's drawn a 

1476
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,400
new people. 
I genuinely on ironically, like 

1477
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:13,160
I would be really excited to 
hear if there are people who are

1478
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:14,520
like, yeah, I found this on 
twitch. 

1479
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,800
So please, I'm not even kidding.
Go hang out, find us on bit dot 

1480
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,720
LY fast discord and say Lex 
you're a moron and I'll know 

1481
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:24,560
what it means. 
Will eat my hat if anybody comes

1482
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,160
in and says I had never played 
Warcraft before. 

1483
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,840
I had no family members who told
me to play Warcraft before I 

1484
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:32,800
watched their. 
I stumbled upon the race on 

1485
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,800
Twitch and it excited me so much
that I bought Warcraft and 

1486
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,840
played it and also started 
listening to a Warcraft podcast.

1487
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,920
There's another. 
Little dividing factor here as 

1488
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,520
to why they might not. 
I, I mean, I'm, I'm just going 

1489
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:49,600
to say. 
Sean, that Sean is not going to 

1490
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:50,840
honor that. 
Please. 

1491
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,760
Like that. 
There's no, there is no way that

1492
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:59,880
I could in good faith think that
that is verifiable. 

1493
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:01,600
And I don't want Sean eating a 
cat. 

1494
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,880
But if it did happen to you, we 
do wanna hear it. 

1495
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:05,360
Yeah. 
OK. 

1496
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:06,600
I'm gonna think you're. 
Lying. 

1497
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,680
I'm going to. 
Think you're a liar, but I want 

1498
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:12,560
you. 
To Oh, I watched this and I kept

1499
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,160
receipt from when I watched this
and then I bought the game and I

1500
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:16,920
can't receive from when I bought
the game. 

1501
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,000
And then I started listening to 
the podcast and I I could show 

1502
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,560
you when I started downloading 
the episode. 

1503
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,480
Such a. 
Ridiculous pathway into the 

1504
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:25,880
game. 
I can't imagine it existing. 

1505
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:27,240
I'll believe you. 
I'll believe you. 

1506
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,920
If you come to bit dot LY flash 
faster and you can lie to me 

1507
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:33,000
about anything. 
You guys, I believe so many 

1508
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,920
things. 
The lies told to Lex do not. 

1509
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:41,320
Reflect your who anyways. 
But yeah, I I think that there's

1510
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:46,960
a lot that they can do to 
improve just general rating. 

1511
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:50,720
I think that yes, if they don't 
challenge the top teams at the 

1512
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:55,720
highest level and just make it 
make it something that is that 

1513
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,120
something that they blast 
through, I don't think that the 

1514
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,120
general community is losing much
at all. 

1515
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,680
So I agree with you on that 
Sean, but like Lex is saying, 

1516
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,920
let us know what you think. 
Until next time, though, may all

1517
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:09,920
your hits be crits.