But I obviously recognize it's hard to find people like this.
I'm going to Gilbert now that Matt hits a lot of my boxes for
me, so that's good. But Lex, I want to know, we'll
start with you. What do you look for in a Raid
team? This is so fun, Shawn, because I
think virtually every single one of those points I am the exact
opposite. Like, to an actually crazy
degree victory for the Forsaken. For Lauderon for.
The Karen Tour. For.
Pandaria. For calendar to.
The burning region for Gilnaeus, but has not died.
For the. Lynch King.
For the sindora. For the Alliance, for the Horde,
for Azeroth. Hello and welcome to episode 388
of For Azeroth. I'm one of your hosts, Sean, and
today I am joined by two lovely people who I will introduce at
the same time. It's Lex and Manny.
Hi, Sean, How's the worldwide treating you?
Lex, Oh my God, I'm so glad you asked.
I'm so glad you asked. I am a frost mage, mane.
Now I'm throwing ice lances. I'm casting flurries, I'm
procking ray of frosts. I'm having a blast.
It's been so much fun. I'm 274 ish item level.
I'm hitting purple parses already for my item level in
heroic raid. I am still, dungeons are still a
little bit like, you know, because there's a lot more
movement. And I've discovered that now,
this may come as a shock to you. Not all tanks pull the same way
that I pull. So when I'm expecting to happen
next in the dungeon doesn't always happen next in the
dungeon. In fact, almost never happens
next in the dungeon. So I'm, like, sending cooldowns
at wrong times and awkward times, and I'm chasing packs
down. It's been crazy.
Yeah. It's been a wild time.
But that's me. I'm going to flip it.
Manny, how has the World of Warcraft been treating you?
I'm trying to get back into the game.
We had long weekend in Canada and like though I had a good
half week off and then we had a long weekend in the US and I
translated that to I'm not going to try.
And so my vault has been a little sparse, we'll say sparse,
and the cress cap has disappeared.
And I think I've gained less crests in the last two weeks
than any other time in the game. But.
Old strategy, let's see if it pays off.
I don't think it's going to pay off.
I think at some point I'm going to have to figure this out and
get back into it. But I have been adjusting what
I've been playing. I've been doing, doing a little
bit of mount farming, you know the stuff that non real gamers
do. I have been looking at my parses
and I've just been enjoying enjoying like DPS ING and stuff.
Like of course I've still got the meter so I like can tell if
I'm like doing garbage tier damage or like somewhat decent.
And I've been working on professions.
Got my jewel crafting maxed out. That makes the sticks.
Nope that makes the 8th profession that I've now capped
out now which is good. The alt army is trying to make
gold again because I just, I kind of fell off because of the
issue we had at the beginning of midnight.
And so I was like, I'm not going to.
So I've got about 1,000,000 gold on two of them.
One of them that I just pushed the inscription man guys I I got
to look up what the hell I need to do to make a gold with
inscription, but my poor inscription is is.
Like you inscribe. Yes, but describe what if I if I
write it and it just looks like a a big F you, I don't think
people are going to buy that. So I have to figure out what to
describe. MIDI have you been on Etsy?
Like half of the stuff there is just like swearing on like
painted like all the calligraphy swears.
You 100% could just write F you and people would spend a lot of
money. Yeah, yeah.
I'm going to go with what Nick says.
I'm going to take my inscriber and I'm going to unscrible some
stuff and we'll see. We can make some gold on that,
but that guy is sitting at like I think he's down to 300 K, but
that's all right. And then of course, most of the
most of the gold, I don't trust the war Bank guys.
Every time something goes wrong, the War Bank is the first thing
to get shut down. I don't want my gold caught up
in there. So most of it's sitting on my
main who is at like 3 or 4 million or something like that.
And so like it's like trying to build up the the nest egg and
play that way. Because like I feel the best way
to get around the burnout is not to be like, oh, I'm going to
quit and I'm not going to do anything is to like find
different areas that are engaging and just find where the
fun is for me still. So that's that's what I
basically been doing. Like that?
This is where you ask Lex how the World of Warcrafts were
treating her. It's like a triangle.
She asked me in the night how you pass it back to you.
Oh, she asked me. And then I asked you.
It's this is how three people just ask her.
You ask her. She asked me.
I asked you. You ask her.
OK, OK. Rhea, how's the World of
Warcraft treating you? Very poorly.
Her mother is doing it all the goddamn time and literally not
even snuggling the puppy. And we're not watching TV.
And Raya loves watching TV because it's a fun little bot.
This is so dumb. I see what work is.
Treating me very well, Manny. I've been having a lot of fun.
I did some mythic plus with my Guild and now they are making
fun of me because I was on for two until 11, which is good for
me. But apparently, oh, apparently
I'm a little bit of a Guild granny for the awful time.
But I'm, I'm yeah, I'm having a lot of fun.
I think we are in a little bit of a a raid lull right now.
We're taking a couple weeks off because we had some travel going
on with some of our officers. So we are getting back into it,
not this week, but the week after, which is very exciting.
I miss my buddies and I. So I will say because Manny said
that he still has the chart, so he or the meter, so he knows you
know whether or not he's doing trash DPS.
If you are generally doing trash DPS, there is an argument to not
having the meter on at all. I always used to have ADPS meter
on and then I was sitting and thinking about it and I was
like, I'm never like purposefully doing bad DPS,
right? Like if my DPS is low, it's not
because I like decided to phone it in, right?
I'm always performing at the top of my ability at any given
moment. So seeing where I am in the DPS
meter does not convince me to do better DPS because I'm doing the
best DPSI can do in any given moment.
It just stresses me out and makes me feel bad about myself.
So I have my DPS meter off. I'll turn it on sometimes
between fights to see if there's something that I need to be
aware of. Like oh it seems like I'm doing
really poorly today, I should check this out later on logs and
try to figure out like instead of gear issue did I forgot an
enchant? Like what's happening here?
Am I? Is my rotation messy and I'm not
thinking of something? But during fights I do not want
to see that. I do not want to think about it.
I want to just do the best DPS I can do and not freak out and try
to do better DPS and just make myself all fussy.
Lex, instead of blind rating, you guys should try no DPS
meters for anybody, just the whole raid turns them off and
see if the enjoyment goes up. I know it's already pretty high
in Timbermont Tavern, so it'd be hard to go up from there.
And most of that is attributed to the fact that everybody has
to send you 50% of your gold of their gold.
You know they log on, send 50% of whatever they have to Lex for
the week, which seems reasonable.
Which seems reasonable, but I would like to see that.
That would be fun because I I on the beta we didn't have damage
meters. I felt like I was having the
most fun when I had no idea if I was doing good or not.
No, no, I I'd like to have a a general awareness of where I'm
at and like while I'm DPS ING, I'm constantly thinking like OK,
like am I doing this right? Am I setting this up?
A lot of things with elemental right now isn't even what you're
doing in the moment, but what you're setting up.
Hey, the fight's about to end. Start pulling your maelstrom so
you can take that into the next fight.
Your cooldowns are about to to come up.
Make sure you have this. I I'm about to get like to 60
and send my elemental blast. So I want to save a charge of
this. All the different things that I
don't want to overcap on. So like for me, it's a lot of
like thinking a little bit ahead of the damage.
Meter doesn't doesn't help you do any of that.
Yeah, but I'm always thinking about my damage and then I can
see, hey, did that did that work out when I pulled it?
Because like the, the, the fun thing or horrible thing for
elemental shaman is a lot of the damage exists inside my cool
down window. So for roughly 15 seconds, I'm a
God. I am like, it doesn't matter if
you've got I let it eye level on me or something.
I'm blasting and I'm there and then the bottom falls out and
suddenly that tank, the tanks looking at me being like, hey,
I'm going to take your spot. And then my cooldowns come back
and I go back up. And so the question the like ebb
and fall of the DPS meter and like how much I can retain a
level before the healer starts laughing at me gives me a unique
view of like where where I'm doing.
And so like, part of it is that I'm looking at what I'm doing
outside of my cool down windows. Part of me part of it is like,
how well did I do on that cool down window?
Because like taking a glance at being like, OK, you're doing 505
hundred DPS, that was a good burst, right?
That sort of stuff is like strangely beneficial for me.
And then there's also a bunch of times where I will be in a raid
and that thing will be tracking interrupts because listen,
friends, we can interrupt. We we can do that so that we're
not stuck on Laura with the orbs floating around for five goddamn
minutes. Do you not have monks in your
raid group? We had depends on the raid
group. Remember I'm running with.
Sorry, I'm running with two different groups.
So depends on the raid group and depends if the monk in one group
is there 'cause sometimes they have hockey on the same night,
sometimes they're late, so sometimes we don't.
But also purge works on it. So like why aren't you getting
getting rid of it? Like there's no cooldown I.
Mean purge works, shockwave works, all stuns all AOC CS, but
here's some hot tech for monks. Anybody who's working on Lura
Prague? Heroic Lura Prague Paralysis.
The monk ability Paralysis completely removes one of those
crystals. It does all four of the kicks in
one shot. So if you have a monk or
multiple monks, assign them to specific boss frame numbers.
There's going to be 3 of them. You say monk 1, you get boss
frame 1, Monk 2, you get boss frame 3 for paralysis, and then
they just disappear. You don't have to worry, we'll
kick anything. And and to be clear, for this
you do have to call the Monk 1 and Monk 2.
You're not allowed to call them by their name for the rest of
the fight. That's right.
Yeah, for eternity. Yeah, they're they're just done.
You don't get a name after that. You get to like this is the
trade off, right? On the one hand, you get to help
your team deeply with Prague. On the other hand, you can never
be called by your name again. Gone.
That's right, your monk one. We can shorten it to M1.
You know, we, we're not monsters here.
I'd be playing a lot of bed by daylight so like M1 is just
like, bring yourself me off in my head anyways.
I played a little bit of DVDI, didn't like it.
It's PvP game. It can get wrecked.
Yeah. I don't know why Michael Myers
just farms me and puts me in those books and we'll let me go.
I don't understand it. It's bad.
I hate it. And I could never get the
engines to work. I always anyway not important.
We're going to move on, Alexis team, get rid of the raid.
We're going to talk about raid. We have some raid news we're
going to bring up. We're going to start with this
topic. I think this is interesting and
I, I think we can open up a small discussion for us.
Blizzard last week. So at the start of the raid
tier, we had the the like blinded vanguard fight who and
they did the avenger shield ability, which was a debuff on
players that when the raid launched was a private aura.
Anybody not using default raid frames, and I don't think even
on default raid frames at the time, couldn't see this debuff
on people. So they were struggling to know
who did the spell when because they weren't able to track it in
any of their custom frames. So Blizzard said, hey, we hear
you. We're going to remove a bunch of
our debuffs from the private aura list and make them regular
debuffs so that you can see them and track them on your raid
frames. They did that.
They also then added four more Avenger Shields at the same time
because of the race world First they wanted to make that boss a
small wall. They did, but what that meant is
now it was 8 debuffs, which is impossible to be tracked by
humans, or most likely impossible because they have to
be dispelled right away. You can't coordinate that.
So people wrote because they were no longer private auras and
they were. They were debuffs.
People wrote a computational weak aura that assigned who
would dispel what. The race ended.
They cut it back down to 4 but because the technology already
existed for the computational week aura to tell you who to
dispel from the avenger Shields, people kept using that even
though it was now 4 and that you didn't need it necessarily in
that case. Now last week there was a hot
fix. Blizzard went in and they re
added the a lot of the spells that they had made that they
removed from private oral list and put them back on the private
oral list. There was 8 spells They did this
too, but the only one that matters because the rest of them
are are nothing burger spells. It's like the bleed on chimeras.
It doesn't matter as who's got that that's not important, but
they they re put avenger shield back as a private aura in They
also made it so that it showed up on default raid frames, but
this means that it might not necessarily show up on your non
default raid frames. This also essentially broke the
computational week or so. What does this mean?
Well, this means Hall of Fame is closed and people don't really
care and you don't need the competition we gore.
So it's sort of forcing our hand.
But what I want to ask, and we'll start maybe with Manny.
How do you feel about Blizzard opening this up so that it can
be a week or it can be used to get around it for Hall of Fame
and then once Hall of Fame is done, closing it off again like
this? How do you feel about this
apparently revolving door of it's OK, it's not OK for what we
gores can do in the raid? So I'm not rating Mythic as much
as he wanted to ask who was interested.
I just was like Nope. And also I'm not rating with you
guys anymore, No. Also I quit, I hate you.
No, just like I, as I said, I'm trying to look at different
things to play and pushing further into rating is not it's
not part of that, but for the health of the game in the long
run, I am glad they're doing it now.
And I remember when they did the initial change, they were
people, I think it was Lex that was just like, it's so stupid
that they would do this, that they they would immediately flip
to making it need a confrontation or or and like.
So finding a different solution is important because they'll,
they'll go to this well, again, they will they will need to
figure out a better way of doing it.
And they have more time with with more people who
unfortunately, I guess are going to be live testing whatever data
they're going to collect. I don't think they're going to
do much for it. And a lot of the scary stuff is
now past. We've got the Hall of Fame
filled up for every tier, we've got people with a lot more gear
now so that they can they can force through it.
The entire community is just well informed about this
mechanic and so it's not going to be the same as it was before.
So in that way, this is the second best time to screw around
and find out. The best time would have been
before it ever went live. But here we are.
Yeah, Lex, how does how does it, how do you feel that they've
made this fight harder this week than it was last week?
And it didn't even happen on the reset.
It was a hot fix that came in on a Wednesday and it was
unannounced. Yeah.
I mean, I think I something feels very silly.
I think, you know, Blizzard's whole argument was they wanted
to stop fighting against weak auras constantly.
And the result thus far, and to be fair, it's been, you know, 1
tier, right? This is there's going to be, we
always knew there was going to be some like gross time, but I
just feel like all they're doing is fighting against weak auras.
Not that not really. That's not fair.
There's been like a couple of these and of course there's
going to be a few things that are going to come up and
whatever. I I also don't raid Mythic.
I know that's a big surprise to everyone who's listening right
now. So it doesn't really affect me.
I don't really understand. I feel like, isn't the Hall of
Fame supposed to be the heart or what?
I feel like that was where you're kind of leaning towards
getting me to say shy. Yeah.
Yeah, it is. Yeah, so there's.
Other tuning that happens around it, but yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously they've been doing a ton of
nerf. Like Manny said, people have a
ton more gear. So I'm being a nuance and, you
know, ridiculous. But I would think they'd want it
to be harder during Hall of Fame and then easier.
And I also feel like if Hall of Fame is closed, why not just
leave it in? Because like, unless they're I,
I, I guess, well, OK, I guess we can steal them in them a little
bit. And we can say maybe what
they're doing is they're using this as a testing ground, right?
Because like Manny said, it's going to happen again.
They're going to have more debuffs they're going to figure
out how to deal with. And if they can right now, now
that Hall of Fame is closed, play around with that and get a
better sense of like, OK, now we know exactly how we decode this
in the future. That is not a test.
Terrible idea. I mean, you know, the automatic
rebuttal to that is, wow, imagine if there was like a
method of play where people are testing things for you.
But I'll be nice. I'll steal them.
So OK, yeah. I mean, I think it's, I think
it's all silly and whatever, but like, can.
I be mean I guess. I'd rather they do it now than
never do it right. Can I be mean?
Go be mean, yeah? OK, that's a Nirvana fallacy.
Like just because they didn't get it perfect doesn't mean they
shouldn't try it all. So like that's why it's like,
well, I guess since all the difficult things are sorry, all
the landmarks outside of cutting edge are done now.
What's the next time they get the test other than the PTR,
which by the like I mean we're going to complain about 8 week
cycle some other time. But like they they also shoot
themselves and foot with that. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I, I, I
would, I wouldn't argue yeah. That like the the time that they
test to test it next is the next time they are doing the mechanic
the next time, right? Because like I, you know, also
wow, that was a lot of next time.
It's also not like all these are going to be coded 100% the same,
right? If if coding was consistent
through everything, it wouldn't break every other patch.
But I you, yeah, listen, I'm being kind of a right.
I, I fully get that. And again, I think what I
probably actually land on if I'm going to sit and be thoughtful
and careful is like, yeah, you know, I'd rather they test it
now than ever. And so if that is the option on
the table is we're either going to release this heartbroken next
time because we will have no additional information going
into it than we did last time, or we're going to play around
with it after the Hall of Fame closes.
Yeah, play around with it after Hall of Fame.
Yeah. So yeah, fair.
I like. It ultimately Warcraft is a live
service game and we should expect changes in a live service
game. It that's how they work.
I don't. I I expect nothing to change.
We're going to be in midnight forever 12 point O .5 If that
ever, if anything else comes up, I'm quitting.
That's it. Just midnight.
Midnight till the end. I'm here for classing midnight.
Yeah. So anyway, Paladins, it's it
should have little impact if you're progging Paladins now,
you know, if you're, if you're brought in at this point, you
probably weren't using the weak core anyway.
That was really more of something that further advanced
teams were using. And it'll have little impact
like Manny, like you both mentioned because of the gear
increases and stuff like that. But it is interesting to see
them making changes. Hopefully it indicates that 12.1
is going to launch in a more complete state.
Fingers crossed, but we're going to move on.
We're going to move on. Manny and I talked a couple of
weeks ago. Some of you may remember the
episode as the episode Full of Joy.
It was the joyful episode where Sean and Manny expressed all of
the things they love about Warcraft.
And in that we were talking about the spore fall rate.
That's coming up in 12 point 0.7 on June 16th.
Date not yet announced, still locking it in as the actual
date. We'll talk about that in a bit,
and one of the issues we discussed was how the Sporefall
raid gear was randomized. The stats on it were all
randomized, and as you may remember, Manny and I did not
think that was a great idea. Well everyone, good news
everybody. They have changed the gear in
the Sporefall raid and the stats are now fixed.
Why is this important? Because bonus rolls exist and if
you are trying to bonus roll a 298 item level chest piece and
you do and it comes with the wrong stats and then you can't
get it again until you've looted every other piece of item on the
list through bonus rolls and you got the wrong stats, that
becomes a problem. So they have made the stats
fixed. There are these are all
upgrades, they're all 298. So these are the, the, the
counterparts to the weapons and trickets we're getting now with
our WS void course. Manny, are you?
I'm glad that they made this change.
Or were you really looking forward to tighten forging your
stats? I didn't care.
I thought it was annoying. I'm pretty sure that people were
going to complain about it because it would suck if you get
the drop, but the drop does like pour itemization and you get, I
don't know, verse crit when you're a haste mastery person or
whatever. Or that verse kid keeps on
dropping and like the healer that likes it gets it and then
the next 1 drops and you're like well who's going to use this?
So it sucks for people who actually give a damn about a
raid where the gear is going to be made obsolete 8 weeks later
by the coming of the next tier. But if you were able to take a
breath and realize it's a game, the itemization of this of this
gear with such a small, small grouping is going to make people
upset anyways. You might be a male wearer.
And because now that piece is haste mastery.
Well, your healer never, never gets the high level version of
it. So now the bad the feel bad.
I guess it's more front loaded. OK, I just I think that in any
situation people are going to complain.
It was just like, do you hate RNG?
Yes, I do. Do you hate do you hate that you
can't min Max? Yeah, I'm sure there's somebody
who has figured out how to post on the forums and will show me
that they're upset. So Manny's feeling good about
it. Lex, any thoughts on the gear
locking in the stats? Does it matter?
Do you care? So for real with you, I am not
good enough to care about anything outside of item level.
Like I know I'm supposed to. I know that it and obviously
like I have in my head a sense of like, oh, these are my top
stats. So if I'm ever in a situation
where I can do a trade out, I will do a trade out.
But overwhelmingly I am just going for whatever is the
highest item level and and living my dreams.
And if I got a higher item level item, I'm like that sick.
This I will. So I don't know if I just
haven't looked at other raid loot tables in this sense.
I am a little bit surprised by how, first of all, there's no
verse on this table, and it's not.
A single drop? No.
Versatility and it's just so mastery heavy to cloth, mail and
plate everything drops mastery both of the is that both rings
no, the neck and one of the ring and then the rings are both
mastery. It.
I'm a little bit curious if that's because I mean, I don't
look at anyone's primary stats other than mine.
So I don't know if that's because overwhelmingly most
group, like most people's primary secondary is mastery and
they're going to be over the moon or if they have just simply
chose it. I mean, yeah, I'm I'm Chris
strike mastery. So I'm happy because mine mine
is crit is the leather double. So I'm I'm bopping.
But if you like verse. If.
I mean, it's one rate boss. If I go do it in for a rate boss
it's fine. Yeah, versatility is the PvP
stat, right? It's not.
Now you're going to make the argument tanks exist, but.
No, they don't. Most tanks aren't running verse.
You know you're going to run crit haste for a lot of cases
for tanks because you get better value from the crit in the Perry
and the damage done. But yeah, it's it's a weird
choice, but like Manny said, it didn't matter if it was going to
be randomized or if they were going to choose, people were
going to find an issue with it somewhere.
And I guess the issue we're going to find is that there's no
versatility and Lex doesn't care enough.
Yeah, Manny, that's a big off. Manny I I.
Mean like Lex should care as much as she cares.
Like item level is king and I'm glad that they have set it up
that that is a good rule to go by when you start capping on
item level when you're rating mythic, yeah, then definitely
dig down. But I don't think that
versatility is worthless for some people.
A lot of healers do love themselves some versatility.
It is good when you are dealing with like high damage sort of
stuff just to help out. That's why the runes give
versatility because they do cushion a lot of mistakes when
you get that much, much verse. So like, I, I know people love
to hate on verse because it's nobody's best stat as it were,
but it is valuable to a lot of a lot of people.
But again, I just, I just think that regardless of the
itemization, somebody's going to be left out.
Just like when we were talking about the last thing, there's
going to be groups that are going to be pragging this on
Wednesday versus Tuesday or like this week versus a couple of
weeks ago. And they're going to be like,
why am I the Guinea pig? And it's like, yeah, some
somebody, somebody is going to draw the short stick on this.
And I'm sorry for those people. I don't think there was ever
going to be a perfect way to to make this unless, unless, I
don't know, you guys wanted to be designers.
Go ahead. We've got fast Dev in the chat.
Just tell them what you want. Yeah, I think I'm OK with it.
I think I'm OK with it. We're going to move on from RAID
news, though. I think it's enough RAID doc,
we're going to talk more about 12 point 0.7.
We have a lot of 12 point 0.7 news coming up because it just
became a release candidate, which usually means we're a
couple of weeks out from the launch.
We're going to dive into what the release candidate there's
not really anything to to talk about there, but I just want to
say that it is a release candidate.
Now we do have some more stories we're going to hit on.
We're going to start with that release candidate for 12 point O
.7 and if you are not already excited for 12 point O .7.
If you were like me and you found levelling alts kind of a
slog in season 1 and you were like man, I really wish I could
play some of my other characters.
I really wish I could get into this.
Blizzard came out with a blue post that is going to absolutely
blow your socks off. They have significantly
increased the amount of experience earned from
completing the following types of midnight quests.
First time delves? That's the delvers call.
So these delves were already giving you when you did those
quests, we were already getting over a full level of experience.
It was like a 1.5 levels for doing the full world tour of all
the delves, collecting all the quests and turning them in.
They've increased that by 1.75 times.
So I guess that's now 2 levels. You're probably going to get 2
levels out of this and then more if you have the the five bonus
from alts or 4 bonus from alts. They're also going to increase
midnight dungeon quests, so those will have those have been
increased by 2.29%. And I know what you're thinking.
Wow, that's pretty good. If we stop there, I'm OK.
I'm going to have a good time levelling up my characters in
12.0 point 7. But wait, there's more prey
quests. The prey hunts have been
increased by 5.72 times and you can just spam run prey hunts on
low level characters you're leveling up.
And more importantly, the weekly renowned quests are going from
11,750 XP per. So this is your abundance, your
Stormarian assault, your S Arel soiree to 101,000 XP per.
It's a 8.6% increase on top of this.
We're going to have turbulent time ways two weeks after.
We're going to talk about that in a second.
I know we're going to have some discussion there.
We're going to get to it. Turbulent time ways on top of
this quest stuff. Lex, is there a better time to
level alts in 12 point O .7? Yeah, never.
OK, OK, all right. I did not see that coming.
I'm so happy for you guys who love your olives.
I'm so happy that you all have your different characters and
you're like playing in different ways.
You love experiencing different things.
I am a Demon Hunter. I am a havoc Demon Hunter.
You will not catch me playing any of those.
I tried vengeance. I might one day go back to it
because tank's important, but unless one of these going to
make me going to increase my havoc Demon Hunter, I mean, I
might want to level my healer again one day.
But yeah, no, you guys have fun. I think this is good.
I'm in a little snarky food this this podcast, but I genuinely
this is this is really good, right?
I think it's good for people to have an easier time leveling up.
I think it's good for people to have more access to more alts.
I think there's there's no harm in people being able to level
alts faster. I think that tends to be an an
overwhelming positive. It it makes it easier to bring
friends into it. It makes it easier to try new
things. If, for example, you've decided
you're actually a frost mage and you're going to figure out how
to tank that, you know, good for you.
Now it's easier to level your alts.
I think this is an overwhelming positive.
All right Manny, you have an alt army of crafters.
Have they passively hit 90 yet from crafting or will you be
popping out to do your protect the rune stones once a week to
get that 100 and 1001 XP? So they get to Silver Moon and
that's all they need. They don't need to be 90.
They don't need any of that. Some of them I I kind of wish I
went out in the into the world and got those treasures for the
like a little bit of knowledge you.
Don't even have the treasures. Most of them.
You mean like the the weekly? Yeah, not the when.
You go through treasure chests. How did you maxo crafting all of
the crafting professions without getting the weekly treasures?
Just crafting and orders. They give you either.
Oh, hold on, maybe, maybe I misunderstood.
When you say Max Toad, you mean knowledge point trees?
Max No. Not knowledge.
No, no, no, no, no, no. That's like, no, no, I mean like
100 skill. For I got you.
I'm with you now. Yeah, I'm with you.
So you're not going to take little little scription Manny.
Little inscriber Manny. I wanted to say little orphan
Manny so bad, but I couldn't think of a profession that that
worked with it The leveled up the.
Inscriptionist is actually my vengeance Demon Hunter and so.
Can't play that. Point O 7 coming out and the
what we'll be talking about later.
I definitely do want to level that one.
So that's going to be my 4th 90, the Warrior, which was my third
90 actually leveled just by farming herbs and, and or so
like that one, like actually level that way, but I don't like
to do things over and over at nauseam.
I leveled the first one by doing the main storyline, doing like,
you know, doing The Dells and turning them in at the end,
doing the little bit of professions to get to the end.
That tech that was like there at the beginning.
The warlock levelled basically by doing local stories so that I
can enjoy all the local stories again.
So it's been a different way with each character.
I don't think I would enjoy the questing so much.
But that said, I do want to kind of go back and go through some
of them to record it. So there's a, so there's a
chance that I take a character that can like actually benefit
from doing these, doing these lower parts and playing through
on that. But from now, I would say from
now until the last Titan characters that hit 90 for me
are going to be doing it through time walking and those kind of
events like there'll be a holiday and collecting eggs will
give experience. And so I'll do that and get
experience rather than do it on my main that I don't care about
because like an old snot in any kind of danger or we will have
of course, like time walking. Every time there's time walking,
every character that's eligible to get that like initial quest,
I run them through and get them. So like my Demon Hunter is at 83
or something, maybe 84 because time walking has come across
enough times and I've done enough profession stuff to do
it. And so like that's that's where
I'm going to get the experience. I'm sure there's like lore
walking, which even though it's in the data files, we haven't
seen when that's going to show up.
And that's another thing that would get me experienced.
So there'll be Ways and Means, it's just not going to be
directly through this experience boost.
You're not going to join me in the I'm going to be such a
predator. When 12 point O .7 comes out,
I'm going to be hitting those praise.
Oh man, it's going to be great. Too soon.
Too soon, too soon man. You still burnt on pray.
All right, we're going to rock on.
We're going to move on. 12 point O .7 is coming at us hot and
fast. Congratulations.
June 16th. That's the date that I predicted
last episode. That's the date that the group
think of the community has been like yeah, we're locking in June
16th. Turbulent time waves starts on
June 16th. This has to be the date the 12
point O .7 is coming. There's no way.
And that's eight weeks after 12 point O .5.
And the universe agreed. And then Blizzard changed the
dates for turbulent time waves on the PTR.
It shifted from June 16th to June 30th, so turbulent time
ways now starts 2 weeks later and the speculation mills fired
up. Are we getting the patch 2 weeks
later? Has Blizzard learned their
lesson from 12 point O .5? Will it be a 10 week gap between
O 5 and .7? And I'm here to tell you people
in general, all people that no, we're not 12 point O you.
I'm I double I said it last week I'm doubling down this week 12
point O .7 will launch on on June 16th, and here's why.
This is straight from Mr. GM, who is the source for all things
PTR. There are items in the files,
transmogs, toys, etcetera. For Midsommar, which launches
June 21st, that's the Friday after June 16th.
There is no shot this patch comes after that Turbulent time
ways is just being shortened. Which is weird because there's
ten weeks of time walking dungeon like time walking
expansions but we're only going to have eight weeks to do them.
So there's going to be two that don't make the cut for the
turbulent time ways which is unfortunate.
Hopefully they picked the 2 ones that are the worst.
That's. What I was about to say which
two would you want to get the like the short cut?
Oh, that's a good question. I like that Burning Crusade and
Legion. I think I.
Thought Legion was going to be my hot take but you're right
there with me my brother. I'm with you.
On that yeah so that I so we are
getting so 12 point O .7 I'm still firmly saying that this is
launching on the 16th of June. I don't think there's any way
that that changes We have a raid coming.
We have those Midsummer things in the OR Midsummer Midsummer is
that awesome movie. Yeah, I.
Was going to say, Sean, is there a new event where we start like
sacrificing our elderly, like what is happening?
Yes. We should more sacrificing this.
Please listen, I could think anyway, that's not we're not
going to not this week, Lex. You're not going to bait me this
this week and it's saying just eat 1 billionaire and then the
rest will fall in line anyway. So I think it's still coming.
Lex, you were skeptical last week when I said the 16th and
locked it in and promised a Klingon only show, which I would
have to do by myself because I don't think you or Manny or are
fluent in Klingon like I am. And then this post came out and
you were like, oh, get ready to cook.
Pennsylvania, Sir. And what do you think?
Are we? Are the dates shifting?
Positive. We haven't done this for a
while, and I understand why, right?
We've been a little snarky. We've been a little mean.
We've been a little, you know, it hasn't been the relationship
with you. And I, I get that.
And I genuinely apologize for my role in that.
And I, I want you to know that you are loved and respected.
And I hope that you at least have always felt that I respect
and appreciate what you're doing, even if I have some, you
know, snarky opinions about what the Blizzard team is doing.
And so I feel bad, right, that we haven't had these
conversations for a while. And I'm, I'm coming at them with
the mindset of asking for something.
And I, you know, we can communicate if you want to find
a way to communicate back to me what you want in return.
I'm, I'm more than happy to have those conversations and, and to
talk about it. I I respect you as a person.
I need this to not be on June 16th man, because I want to hear
Sean do a Klingon episode so bad.
Like literally you can do it a week early that you could talk
your boss into doing it a week early.
This is I, I have never wanted anything as bad as this.
I don't Please, please convince, throw it like I bug out the the
launch. I don't care.
I just need it to not be June 16th man.
I'm I'm begging you here. I will never ask for anything
again if you make this not June 16th.
Flex about to DDoS the server so that they can't come up to the
17th Oh. Yeah, straight.
OK, OK, But to be clear, I actually don't know how to DDoS
something. So the servers do get DDoS.
I swear to God it's not me. Please don't program me.
OK, OK. There's another piece of
information we can extrapolate from this announcement, by the
way, from these dates. Typically when a turbulent time
waves ends, the new patch starts the next day.
Turbulent Time Waves ends on August 11th, so we can lock it
in now. We're going to lock it in now.
FAZ 12.1 August 11th. That gives it a month before
BlizzCon, which means the race to World First will be well and
clear. But the weird thing is it puts
us firmly into Season 2 for the MDI and AWC Championships, which
are Season 1 events happening live at BlizzCon.
So that's a bit strange. Manny, where we at?
How do you feel about these dates?
Are you still on the June 16th train or are you thinking
there's something in the mist here?
Honestly, what I would love to see come out on June 16th is 12
point O .5. I think that we'd be ready for
it. I, I I don't.
Think you spoke up from a coma? I don't care about the times,
guys. I don't want you to do it fast.
I want you to do it better. It just the stuff that comes out
that people want to play around with and stuff that people want
to have time for, like give it some breathing room.
If there's this raid comes out next month, am I going to do the
raid? I don't know, I, I really don't
know, especially since I'm not a mythic Raider.
Especially since like in the first week of of M Plus I'll
replace all this gear anyways and there's no real story that
looks to be around it. You know what?
I'll do the story up to and into the raid and maybe I'll do a run
with like, I don't know, dungeon Dojo or the story mode.
And yeah, but like, I don't particularly feel thrilled to
jump into this spore fall raid. I don't.
I've already talked about like my absolute love and reverence
for the borrowed power system of the of the patch as well.
So I'll be doing time walking. I like time walking.
I'm about to blow your mind, Manny, with the next news item.
So, real quick, are we not surprised that we're apparently
a couple weeks out from 12 point O .7 and like you haven't gotten
an announcement? Is that not weird?
Am I tripping out? Now that's par for the course
for the point fives and the point sevens, Yeah.
Never mind, I don't know. Probably here.
I suspect we'll get an announcement next week to say
it's coming June 16th. Man, you mentioned something
that I want to just dig into a little bit.
You said you're not worried about being done fast or being
done slow. You want it done right.
And then you said give the thing, give the systems that
people want to enjoy some room to breathe.
So looking at 12 point O .5, do you feel like ritual sites and
void assaults and abyssal anglers?
Like do you feel like there's too there's too much there for
people to have been able to enjoy it over the last 8 weeks?
I would say that what's there, there's a wide variety of stuff,
but they're all very shallow and I think that if they had just
picked 1 and developed it into something that we could have
enjoyed, that would have been preferable.
It's like Lex was talking about Ritual Sites 2 episodes ago and
be like, yeah, there was one. I went into it and then I didn't
want to go back in because it was the same thing, just
inflated numbers like that. And there's like very little
built around it if you want to compare it to its forefathers.
Like there was a lot of story and stuff that was built into
the horrific visions. And if you want to compare it
against delves, there's a large variety of delves and stuff that
like makes it more Evergreen and something that people can engage
in. So rituals look like an
experimentation of stuff. Like when I'm looking at 12
point O .7, I'm excited about the world tier difficulty and
then building that up and having content that even if I have like
nobody on right Sean's busy busy over on Europe, right Lexus,
hiring people to D dos, I'm going to play on.
I'm going to play challenging content just by myself and like
that to me is interesting, but like grinding for a power thing,
not so much the decor duel. I really felt like I missed the
boat because Sean was done with it before I before I even logged
in for the first time and I still haven't done it yet.
And people are like, oh, it's broken because of this or it's
broken because of this. And even after they fix the the
tracking, now people are like jumping into corners that you
can only get to if you're one thing or another.
And that's apparently busted. But I'd love if this, the core
dual had been folded into a holiday or became part of the
housing thing where people could do like that entire search in
their neighborhood sort of stuff.
I think that like there's really cool ideas.
Or a pre patch should have been a pre.
Patch Yeah. You were like, you were staying
like a quasi Season 4 sort of thing, right?
Like give it the space. Because like, I think if
Plunderstorm had gotten dropped here, a lot of people would be
like, I don't have time for that.
And it would have gone completely under the radar.
And I think that some of the good stuff that they're doing
here is going to have a unfortunate fate like that.
Yeah, to be super, I didn't even think about this until you
started talking Manny. But I'm like preemptively not
excited for 12 point 0.7 because I was just so burned by 12 point
0.5, right? Like I was so hype about it.
Like it is so perfect for me. They are.
They love the solo players. It's going to be so fun.
We're going to do all this cool stuff and there's so many
things. I'm like, I'm sorry you guys
aren't excited. I't excited.
And I did, I think one day of 12 point 0.5 things and I was like,
this sucks. I have no interest in continuing
any of this. I don't want to touch any of it
anymore, ever. And so I, I'm not getting hype
about 12 point 0.7. And I mean, I'm well on record.
I've been saying this for a very long time.
I would. But for that, they push out
release dates and give them space to like, I, I really
wanted 12 point 0.5 week. Good dude.
I wanted it so bad. I was so excited about that.
So, you know, yeah. This these coming 8 weeks of 12
point O .7 are going to be the time that I take to catch up on
12 point O .5 right. Chase after those mounts that
are like in the in the rituals that I haven't even looked at a
guide for chase after whatever stuff that was in 12 point O
like the drop rates of those zone Raiders and such is is at
such a low level. Yeah, I'd like the time to like
hunt for those sort of stuff, but also, you know, touch grass
and play other games like I'm really enjoying Diablo guys, so
I'm not going to go super into it, but I've been playing a lot
of Diablo and being very happy about that.
So yeah, I, I think I just, I have to do what they basically
have been telling us to do, which is be OK with skipping
over content, which is what they said that, yeah, they're going
to put out content that not everybody's going to going to
engage with. And the developers have to be
happy with that. I think as a Warcraft player,
it's taken me a bit longer than it should have to be.
Like I don't have to have my hands and everything to to feel
like I'm a real Warcraft player because that's what I've been
trained to do with like every system that came out that gave
power towards the raid and to Mythic Plus and such.
I like it. One last thing for turbulent
time waves. Then we're going to move on to
what I think is going to make Manny really excited.
So famed Dragon Independence activist Viranath is donating
her child for personal vehicle use in the turbulent time ways
and previously in turbulent time ways.
To get one of these mounts you would have to complete 5 weeks
of time walking, with the shortened time walking from 10
weeks to 8 weeks. They also shortened the number
of weeks required to get this mount and it is now only four.
So if they don't skip Legion and BFA like we all want, you can
personally skip those weeks and still be fine to get this mount.
This mount looks awesome. It's a frosty.
BFA is not your second one Lex, go ahead.
But they. Only you can only skip one week.
There's only five weeks of turbulent time, right?
Is wild line to me. Oh sorry, June 30th to August
11th? How many is that?
Is that 6 you're saying? Five, that's 1234.
It's. Definitely.
Oh. That is 6 Wowhead.
Why are you making me look stupid?
OK, I'm not. Funny.
Wow. In Wowhead's defense, they fired
all their writers. So the bots wrote that article?
Yeah. Claude.
Yeah, that's not, that's not nice.
I don't think that actually happened.
That's not true. Yeah, I apologize.
I apologize. Yeah.
Anyway, less weeks required. That's good news.
Yeah, we. Don't need to talk about
everybody know it is a cool looking mount.
I will. I will definitely be getting
that. Good news for you in the ritual
sites those mounts are so easy. I accidentally got them all.
So nice. You should have no problem
getting I'm. Going to stream again, I'm going
to do like mount farming and all that sort of like fun little
stuff and I'm going to stream stream again.
I say that and then I'm bring up on a.
Rating. I like that I like that Manny
stream we're here for Manny stream all right one last .7
news and this was going to make Manny happy.
So today Blizzard released a blog post outlining the 12 point
O .7 borrow power Mac guffin that all of us expected and we
even said it here on this show. We're going to get it in 12
point O .7. It'll be nerfed into the ground
in 12.1. We're going to have to grind
this power out for this eight week period.
You know, it'll be super strong two weeks in the 12:01 and then
it'll be nerves under the ground.
That may still happen, but Manny, Lex, it is not going
away. I want to read this to you.
This is extremely exciting to me.
So this is direct from the blog post.
Join Magister Umbrick and Grand Magister Raw Math to restore the
reawakened Sunstrider Omnium, an ancient Alvin relic once created
by Dathramar Sunstrider to study and preserve the schools of
magic. Now here's the exciting part.
Once unlocked, the Omnium Folio grants access to potent rooms
for Battle Continue activities to imbue additional power and
unlock its full potential against the forces of the Void.
Manny, are you listening? Come closer.
I'm just saying these room powers will be available to
players throughout the rest of the Midnight expansion.
I call bullshit. What they said it were you.
Yeah, they they can, they can say right there, but I already
know the reasons why they're going to have to turn it off.
Imagine coming in later later and somebody says you have to go
back and unlock this. There's no way they keep that
running. They're going to have it
automatically unlock or they're going to like make it super easy
to unlock later. Either way, I'm going to snore
through it until like later on. And then when I'm like, oh crap,
I've got a raid, then I'll deal with it.
Maybe they're it's not board power anymore.
Now it's just power. It's extended board powers,
board power for the rest of the expansion is still better than
short term. So good on that.
So yeah, it's it's better. It's not going to stay this way.
But maybe we ought to determine that they're never coming out of
midnight, that they're stopping changing everything forever, and
Midnight's going to be the last expansion ever.
They're scrapping last night. They can't listen to me.
I can't wait for the last Titan rework where some of the Omni
and folio powers get rolled into class abilities because they
become so intricate. I think this is good.
I because I I think what this means is we won't sorry.
I think this is good for people who are playing now and will
continue playing. I think like Manny said, if
you're somebody who who has stopped playing in in 1212 point
O and didn't come back in O 5 didn't isn't coming back in O 7
and isn't a lot of this, you're going to have chores and
homework to be optimal. I assume it will be a count walk
with the nebulous void cores. Yeah, I assume so.
And I imagine there'll be a catch up mechanic as well for
the 'cause you get little orbs that open it.
What I suspect will happen 12.1 will come along.
We'll either get more orbs or we'll get another tree.
They'll, you know, they'll unlock a second tree and and
that's how it'll go either. I don't think it's going to be
unlocked and forgotten going forward.
More power will open from it, I believe, as you go on.
But I I I like that we're not going to have a new Mac Guffin
to farm in point in 12 point 1.7 and 12 point 2.7 that we can
just carry this through to the end.
And I think that's kind of an elegant solution to their,
their, you know, quote UN quote board power, power bump at the
end. Well.
They're probably just going to, you know, make us reform in
different, right? Like, do do we not expect that
they're just going to make us reform later?
Yeah, I I think 12.1. So this is going to launch in O
seven. I think 12 point 1.7 will launch
and raw math or umbrick will be like, hey, we were able to
unlock a new tree that we discovered that we didn't
weren't able to unlock before. Here's five more quests to Max
that out, is what I suspect. I wow, I am really worried about
this. I think that if they go the way
that you're saying, they need to plug the next one into Apex
talents because I don't like that this would have more time
and more push than Apex talents, which is one of the selling
features and Apex talents are so much more into like our actual
character than this like thing that's there.
Nick, who's in our in our chat right now is saying like, oh,
they're basically better than tear sets now.
And that would be weird because they're less personalized.
I like like tear sets most when they are transformative to like
what I'm doing that that tear. So like it's like it takes an
ability that may not have been a star and then makes that like
what the the rotation revolves around.
That's when I like tear tear sets the best.
I know the first tier you always just get like straight little
flat buffs because they you're just getting used to whatever
nonsense they've done for this expansion.
So if they do additional stuff for the, for the Omnicron folio,
whatever you called it, that's it almost feels like a covenant
system at this point where it's like, oh, let me add a little
bit further down there. And then I wonder why it wasn't
in at the beginning. Is this something that slipped
from launch? No, this is I think this is 100%
plan from the beginning to be their their borrowed power.
Like their it's their this is their Cersei circlet.
But instead of just having it for one season because we
complain about having to firm it every season, they've just said,
hey, you're going to have it for the whole time.
I don't think the analogy to apex talents and tear sets works
though. This doesn't impact your
rotation in any way. Those both have impacts on your
rotation on the way you play your character.
This is just like bonus procs on your already attack.
So I don't think it's, I don't think that's a fair comparison
to Apex towns and tear sets. I would say a more fair
comparison is BFA. How like as we went into further
tears in BFA, they added things on top of it.
The way we remember the essences you put in your neck, the heart
of Azeroth. I actually think your covenant
thing was perfect analogy. This is reminiscent of the
covenant power trees that we would build up.
Yeah, I I don't know, I think it's good.
I think it's nice to know that I'm not going to have to farm a
new Mac guffin every season And if I just got to go and do five
more quests for Umbrecht, and so be it and they may not, it may
never unlock extras. Yeah, essentially Reshi Reshi
wraps is another good, another good analogy.
Reshi wraps as well, which I think we're a slightly less of
an impact, but right again, Reshi wraps are only one season,
whereas I think the I honestly, I think you nailed it with the
covenants, man That's. I'm going to that's going to be
forever, man, because we had those from the beginning.
Covenants lasted the whole expansion.
This is this is going to be similar to 12.0 point 7.
I'm excited to see what they do. I'm I'm curious to see what
happens and knowing that I'm not going to have to farm a new ring
or a new belt or a new cloak every season, that that's a win
for me. That is, that is a positive.
The fact that it is off of the gear is a complete win.
I, I'm hoping that we get a lot more story for our, our 2 arch
mages. So like that to me is
interesting and just like a fun little like, oh cool.
They're not going to make these characters obsolete after, after
this, this tear. So yeah, there's a, there's a
couple of things that I like about this.
We'll see how much I engage. Initially, Manny, you should
have never done to Ray Teams. It ruined you.
You were so happier when you had one raid team.
I think the two raid teams. I think you're burnt out and I
think you're unhappy because you had two raid teams.
I think if you had just had one raid team with your beautiful
shaman throwing your little lightning bolts and your lava
bursts and your other elemental spells.
Elemental blast. Yeah.
Elemental blast. I was trying to think of like,
what's the what's the zoom, zoom zoom version of shamans?
What? I couldn't think of it.
Yeah, one Tier 11 raid team next year.
Lex, can you cosign that for me? I I think, yeah.
I mean I think you should also only play Havoc Demon Hunter
because then you get to do your backflips and you get to inertia
build in Mythic Plus and then your tank hates you because they
learned they have to clear the whole room because otherwise
you're going to backflip into people.
I really love affliction warlock.
I switched to demonology and you know, demonology is pretty good,
but like it just doesn't have that same flavours affliction.
So I really do love affliction Warlock elemental instead of
enhancement. Now I'm I'm branching out, I'm
trying different things. I'm enjoying it.
It's just a time commitment, like work, content creation,
playing, playing the game so I can do content creation, you
know, real life. I think that's still supposed to
be a thing. I just, I, I tried.
I was burning too many things, juggling too many plates.
But again, I'm glad that I professions are coming back
together and I I'm loving being a little goblin on the I'm
excited. Lex, do you want to say thank
you to anybody listening today, anybody in particular, anyone
specifically or generally I do. First of all, obviously, I want
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You're all very fun, cool people.
Thank you for listening. But especially I want to say
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to put out content into the ether and, and scream and talk
about mushrooms and, you know, rant and have one on ones with
fast F. But we do this because we want
to connect with people. And so getting an opportunity to
see that people are really enjoying what we're doing to the
point where they want to support us is, is genuinely so, so
meaningful. So thank you deeply from the
bottom of my heart to all of our Patreon patrons, I suppose you
can call them even. And especially to those two who
just joined us recently, we so, so appreciate it.
I love it. Hopefully you're both enjoying a
new patron. Only access in the discord at
bit dot LOI slash faz discord. Manny.
I have no idea what legendary patron means.
Do I have to send Alan like locks of my hair now what?
What are the? What is happening?
We will. We will be sending a cut of hair
from the tip of Sean's head directly to you, Alan.
I think maybe we got to figure out what we do for legendary
patrons. It is our Top Rank of support.
So thank you so much, Alan. I think maybe that story that
that little bit of role play that you used to do was really
cool. We missed that.
We missed that We'll. Bring it back.
I'll do a personal one for Alan where I'm looking directly into
the camera so that he feels like I'm looking at him while I tell
while I tell the story. We'll get that set up.
But what I am multi. Wants feed picks.
Multi says feed picks for the patrons.
I'm not against it. I am going to, I'm going to veto
that one, but I am going to say that I I'm starting a new
series. You guys have seen that I've
been talking to various people around the World of Warcraft
community about different viewpoints.
Because for Asroff has always been about just going beyond the
headlines, talking to people and getting their perspectives.
We have done that with Lauria. We have done that with all
different people from all different walks of life,
including having Joss back, talking about being a returning
player, not doing the instance content.
We're going to be talking to you guys, our patrons.
So if you are a rare patron or higher and want to have a
conversation recorded, we're going to do that for our patron
audience as well. The first one that will be
recorded is going to be about mount hunting and so when that
comes out we will let you guys know, but I've got to schedule
that soon. I had no idea this was
happening. This is exciting stuff.
News breaking now. Is it with multi?
It is with. Multi in the chat.
Very exciting. All right, we're coming up to
the time of the show where I want to have fun.
I want to chat with you guys. This is a topic I was talking
about on stream the other day, yesterday in fact, and it got me
thinking because I know how I think you guys ever sit and
think to yourself. I wonder why everybody doesn't
think the way I think or do you ever are you ever curious like
how does that person think like? What is it like inside Lex's
head? I assume chaotic.
What is it like inside Manny's head?
A little bit organized. I I want to know what you guys
look for in a raid team. Now I'll just give a quick
description what I want a raid team.
I like organization, I like structure.
I like a nice quiet raid. Efficiency is fun for me.
I don't like chaos. I don't like a lot of chatter
even like some people are like Oh well in the trash polls it's
fine. I would be just as happy if the
raid was completely silent except for raid call outs.
I'm a psychopath obviously, and I like people that will go and
continue farming the raid once the AOTC or CE is achieved and
just keep going. Even if you don't need gear,
just go on and blast them and having a good time with the
homies. But I obviously recognize it's
hard to find people like this. I'm going to Guild right now
that Matt hits a lot of my boxes for me, so that's good.
But Lex, I want to know. We'll start with you.
What do you look for in a raid team?
This is so. Fun Shawn because I think
virtually every single one of those points I am the exact
opposite. Like to an actually crazy
degree, I am vibes on 99% of why I'm with a raid.
I I, I do want to be clearing AOTC every tier, right?
I I like having my little achievements.
I like having my little mounts, whatever.
I also like having a goal that would be right.
I, I, I like moving. I don't want to just be stuck on
a rate spot forever, but overwhelmingly what I care about
is how the people get along. I reading is, is arguably the
biggest social event of my week, which maybe is sad, but I, you
know, I like a nice quiet life. So I like I, I, it is important
to me that we're chatting and getting along.
I'm also very chatty myself. I will say during fights they
can go either way. I was actually trained to raid
on a team that was primarily veterans.
So they like we we would chat and have a good time in between
calls. But there was call like calm
discipline was enforced right? Like once the the fight was
going, everyone shut up and then I switched to a team that was a
womanly podcasters and now they yell at me because I well, I, I
got out of the calm discipline habit and now all of a sudden
they're like, OK, Lex, we're kind of doing, you know, the
final boss of the tier. Maybe you don't have to make
little comments on right 2 seconds.
So we're working on that. But I that, that I'm kind of I'm
happy to go either way on whether I want to be chatty or
or quiet. And I, I, I honestly, as much as
I am one of those chattier members of the team, I, I think
I tend to like when the entire team is, is pretty disciplined
during calls. But if we're not going to
discipline, I'm not going to, I'm not talking what are we
talking about? I, I like, and I also really
like having time off. That is one thing that's really
important to me. I don't want to be playing and
like, you know, waiting until the end of this year, right?
I want to have a few weeks that are, you know, the time that I
can catch up on shows and do craft.
I hike a ton, right? And so I like having
opportunities like walk more to hang out with other people to do
events in person on that happened on Thursdays and things
like that. So that but but really
overwhelmingly what I want in a raid team is cool people that
I'm excited to hang out with every week.
OK, I like it. I like it.
Manny, what are we? What do you look for in a raid
team? I like teams that do their
homework. I don't like this.
Like I like when people come prepared that they are bringing
their flasks and their potions and they've read up on the fight
and they know their rotation and everything.
So that we don't have. One thing that like really gets
me is that you'll have half the team that's done that and then
half the team that's sort of like a well, I haven't watched a
video. Why aren't you explaining this?
Like, oh, that that sends me that sends me for a loop.
I hate. I do not like that, but I do
like talking and conversation. Like, yes, you do have to lock
in sometimes. Like, OK, clear calms.
Let's get let's get the calls and stuff.
But like kitchen, if you can, if you can hear me, continue every
unhinged fucking thing that you keep saying, send Jeff to the
walls. Love it, I love it.
I like I'm there as a social thing it I do want to do.
I do want to kill the boss and everything, but I I don't want
to be an automaton. Am I saying that I'm somewhere
in between you 2? It just feels very formulaic if
I say that. It feels a little bit like
you're somewhere between. Yeah, OK.
But I don't like that. That sounds very formulaic.
I I will say that for my team, part of it is like what we're
doing in the raid, but a good amount of it is like I would say
the majority of it is outside the raid.
So like I already talked about doing the prep and all of that,
but I like that like all go on on a random day and people will
be doing stuff. And it's not just like we show
up to raid together and then we're we never see see each
other or talk to each other outside of that.
That to me is part of like, yes, it's part of a Guild, but like
part of the raid team. Like I generally would hate if
the only reason I know you is because you throw me heels every
so often, so how? Often.
How often do you play with the other people in your Guild
outside of raid and what content are you doing?
Could be anything. I actually think that it's like
part of it's just we just have conversations.
It doesn't have to be like that. We're doing Mythic Plus because
like the Mythic Plus team that I run with is outside of my raid.
The stuff that I do like small daily stuff is like my friend,
my Warcraft friend, but I met through Warcraft that I met back
in Wrath of the Lich King when I came back to the game.
So half the time it's not that we're doing contents, it's that
we're actually like talking and be like, OK, like what do what's
this about and all that, like that.
It is actually a community, not necessarily that we're playing
stuff. I mean, I did a, I ran around my
friend's house. That's not going to help me at
all in raid, but like we did that.
You won't get you understand their mind better.
So if you understand that like think about like this way you go
to Lex's house, you see the way Lex has things laid out, You
understand the way Lex thinks. So then you are able to better
predict what Lex will do in any given moment in the raid because
you're that much more in tune. Except on the issue is you go to
my house and you realize that I don't think about anything for
more than 5 seconds at a time and you're like well OK, which
first of all you probably already knew if you were raiding
with me. But no, I see what you're
saying. That in itself teaches me OK Lex
is going to miss this arrow on Demiarc.
John, you DPS this week as a frost mage and you realized.
I'm a mage now. And yeah, and you realize that
tanks don't operate the same way as you do.
Tanks don't operate the same way as other tanks, just in general.
I will say that there is a general pug mentality of the
it's the widely accepted routes and stuff.
And so you'll be like, OK, I this, this I know is a big pool
because everybody does this first big pool with lust and
yada, yada, yada. And I'll go check radar IO and
look for like the, the weekly route and stuff and use that as
like my template sort of thing. And then you'll come across
those tanks that are just like, I'm going to go this way and
we're going to do this skip and all of that.
And you'll you'll just be completely lost.
And I think that if you're running the content with your
guildies and you have conversations, yeah, you can
learn a lot from that. You can, you can also realize
that like, oh, Manny doesn't have interrupt on his bars or
whatever, or he doesn't like the like, I have you ever watched a
streamer and you're and you look at their bars, you're like, why
do you even have that on your bars?
You've never pressed that button.
Yeah, I, I don't. So typically when I watch
streamers, I'm watching for the personality.
I'm not I'm almost never watching for the gameplay.
There's very few streamers that I watch for the gameplay.
If I'm watching you for gameplay, you're one of the best
in the world. And so everything you're doing,
'cause I'm trying to learn, but I'm not going to watch you for
gameplay. I'm not going to watch Mr. GM
for gameplay. You know, I'm I Pete Dan
mentions that a lot of his stream that people give him
grief because he's doing his rotation wrong.
I couldn't tell you if if he's even doing a rotation because
I'm not watching any of the way that he plays.
I'm there for him, for his personality, just the same as if
I watched you. I wouldn't be AI don't have the
first clue about elemental shamans other than they cry when
you move out of earthquake. But I would have no, I would
have no idea what your rotation. Was enhancement man earthquake
just he was like. Yeah, I do judge you eyes though
I do look at people's U eyes and I think to myself wow you just
cleaned that up. You might not be the bottom.
I, we will. Have a conversation about UIS
because I could go so adept about like just things that
matter and don't matter for UIS. But regardless, I will watch
people for for personality, but it doesn't mean that I'm not
like also like watching them play and be like, Oh, that's
cool when they did that. Like I'll watch our good friend
Wochi because like Mochi plays elemental shaman.
So I know. So I just call.
Him our friend. I don't think we have to say
good friend. I don't want to.
Let's just call him our friend. I'm going to criticize him, so
we're going to say good friend so that we can try and get away
with it. OK, all right.
He's not Manny. He doesn't listen to the show
anyway, so. He's going to get tipped off and
be like Manny. Yeah, somebody's going to be
like, hey, you got to go check out that episode.
Sean and Manny just just totally just.
Totally again. Third time good friend Mochi,
which Sean is no longer fighting against.
Yeah, a good friend, Mochi like. So he's there and he's teaching
people how to how to go through dungeons and it's a very much a
learning experience. And the roots that he he will do
will be like, I don't like skips because skips will get screwed
up. And that's based on the play
that he's doing. If you're playing with a bunch
of new people, skips will likely get screwed up and he'll do
different mechanics differently because it is the more
accessible way. And so like that will like, even
though I'm watching Gochi for, for his personality and, and,
and chat, I will notice those things and be like, OK, like I'm
not going to do it that way, right?
He'll do his rotate, he'll do his rotation, or he'll be
avoiding a particular mechanic and you'll, let's say he doesn't
use spirit. Actually, that's a real thing.
He doesn't use Spirit Walker's grace, which will mean that his
his damage will get impacted. But that's kind of a big deal,
right? We're not gonna.
It's a good for emoji. It it's a particular thing where
he doesn't use the utility that would help keep without time,
so. He just sometimes I just don't
shield block. Fuck it.
Right. And so like, conversely, I will
go back and I will look at my logs and I will look through my
own, my own times that I've streamed once a year or
something, right? And I'll notice that that stuff
with it with myself. And when I'm watching like
Bondy, who is like the top rated elemental shaman that I could
find that actually streams, like his rotation is perfect, but
I'll learn from him and be like, OK, I that's he's setting up
stuff there. But the way his tank pulls
versus the way like a pug pulls, how much of that transferable,
right? So like he's got to pull lessons
from everywhere, even if they're not like the best in the world
or like the and you have to figure out what's applyable to
you, applicable to you. You know, like some people when
you're streaming, they're going to be like Lex, why do you have
things in your bag from 5 expansions ago and they just
don't understand your stuff? What if you have to go fighting
us off? You need to.
Go back the. Weekend A.
Time walking thing and all of my team had to go figure out how to
get their stupid cloak. You don't didn't have to go
figure out how to get their stupid cloak.
Manny guess, guess we didn't have.
To figure it out, you Lex is you I'm.
Not sure I ever told you this right.
I had a actual nightmare about your bags one time.
I feel like I was just like, I got to stop watching Lexus G.
He was just like, what The he was just like, I, you know, you
don't remember exactly what's going on, but I'm just like, oh,
Lexus bags. OK, they're.
Pretty bad, but like I just. I have everything I need.
I know where it all is. I know what are the bags that
are completely meaningless to me because it's all is that.
Where Rochi Spear Walker's grace is, it isn't Lexus bags then.
I can understand why he doesn't want it.
Nazov is going to come back and is coming out of Lexus bags.
Hanging out with me, buddy. I love it.
We're getting, we're getting
kind of long in the episodes. We're going to wrap them.
I do just want to say I love my Guild and I do hang out with
them and we have all kinds of laughs and discord and we do
keys together and we chat. I just like a nice, quiet,
organized raid. For Sean, Raiders should be
parsed, not heard. That's right.
Yeah. Yeah, Exactly, Exactly.
I don't even hear what these bots are saying.
That's it. Thanks for hanging out with us
today, listeners. We really appreciate it.
We're going to be back next week with some more for Azeroth and
apparently a special secret episode on mounts that I didn't
know what's happening. But until next time, we all your
hits be crit.