1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,760 But I obviously recognize it's hard to find people like this. 2 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:04,720 I'm going to Gilbert now that Matt hits a lot of my boxes for 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,240 me, so that's good. But Lex, I want to know, we'll 4 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,160 start with you. What do you look for in a Raid 5 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,240 team? This is so fun, Shawn, because I 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,800 think virtually every single one of those points I am the exact 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,800 opposite. Like, to an actually crazy 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:26,880 degree victory for the Forsaken. For Lauderon for. 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,000 The Karen Tour. For. 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,800 Pandaria. For calendar to. 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:41,160 The burning region for Gilnaeus, but has not died. 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,040 For the. Lynch King. 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:51,320 For the sindora. For the Alliance, for the Horde, 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:01:00,130 for Azeroth. Hello and welcome to episode 388 15 00:01:00,130 --> 00:01:02,920 of For Azeroth. I'm one of your hosts, Sean, and 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,760 today I am joined by two lovely people who I will introduce at 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,240 the same time. It's Lex and Manny. 18 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:13,560 Hi, Sean, How's the worldwide treating you? 19 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,280 Lex, Oh my God, I'm so glad you asked. 20 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,800 I'm so glad you asked. I am a frost mage, mane. 21 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,480 Now I'm throwing ice lances. I'm casting flurries, I'm 22 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,160 procking ray of frosts. I'm having a blast. 23 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,360 It's been so much fun. I'm 274 ish item level. 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,600 I'm hitting purple parses already for my item level in 25 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,360 heroic raid. I am still, dungeons are still a 26 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,840 little bit like, you know, because there's a lot more 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,520 movement. And I've discovered that now, 28 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,960 this may come as a shock to you. Not all tanks pull the same way 29 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,680 that I pull. So when I'm expecting to happen 30 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,440 next in the dungeon doesn't always happen next in the 31 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,000 dungeon. In fact, almost never happens 32 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,800 next in the dungeon. So I'm, like, sending cooldowns 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,840 at wrong times and awkward times, and I'm chasing packs 34 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:08,759 down. It's been crazy. 35 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:11,400 Yeah. It's been a wild time. 36 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,480 But that's me. I'm going to flip it. 37 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:17,360 Manny, how has the World of Warcraft been treating you? 38 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,880 I'm trying to get back into the game. 39 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:27,280 We had long weekend in Canada and like though I had a good 40 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,440 half week off and then we had a long weekend in the US and I 41 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,960 translated that to I'm not going to try. 42 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:40,200 And so my vault has been a little sparse, we'll say sparse, 43 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:46,160 and the cress cap has disappeared. 44 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,040 And I think I've gained less crests in the last two weeks 45 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,920 than any other time in the game. But. 46 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,960 Old strategy, let's see if it pays off. 47 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,280 I don't think it's going to pay off. 48 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,520 I think at some point I'm going to have to figure this out and 49 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,120 get back into it. But I have been adjusting what 50 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,800 I've been playing. I've been doing, doing a little 51 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,640 bit of mount farming, you know the stuff that non real gamers 52 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:15,920 do. I have been looking at my parses 53 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:19,920 and I've just been enjoying enjoying like DPS ING and stuff. 54 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,880 Like of course I've still got the meter so I like can tell if 55 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,320 I'm like doing garbage tier damage or like somewhat decent. 56 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,600 And I've been working on professions. 57 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:36,160 Got my jewel crafting maxed out. That makes the sticks. 58 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,240 Nope that makes the 8th profession that I've now capped 59 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:44,720 out now which is good. The alt army is trying to make 60 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,640 gold again because I just, I kind of fell off because of the 61 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,760 issue we had at the beginning of midnight. 62 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,720 And so I was like, I'm not going to. 63 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:59,480 So I've got about 1,000,000 gold on two of them. 64 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,640 One of them that I just pushed the inscription man guys I I got 65 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,400 to look up what the hell I need to do to make a gold with 66 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,760 inscription, but my poor inscription is is. 67 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,760 Like you inscribe. Yes, but describe what if I if I 68 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,480 write it and it just looks like a a big F you, I don't think 69 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,560 people are going to buy that. So I have to figure out what to 70 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,480 describe. MIDI have you been on Etsy? 71 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,280 Like half of the stuff there is just like swearing on like 72 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:30,400 painted like all the calligraphy swears. 73 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,360 You 100% could just write F you and people would spend a lot of 74 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:34,640 money. Yeah, yeah. 75 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,120 I'm going to go with what Nick says. 76 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,120 I'm going to take my inscriber and I'm going to unscrible some 77 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,400 stuff and we'll see. We can make some gold on that, 78 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:50,600 but that guy is sitting at like I think he's down to 300 K, but 79 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,720 that's all right. And then of course, most of the 80 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,800 most of the gold, I don't trust the war Bank guys. 81 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,120 Every time something goes wrong, the War Bank is the first thing 82 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,600 to get shut down. I don't want my gold caught up 83 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,280 in there. So most of it's sitting on my 84 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:09,280 main who is at like 3 or 4 million or something like that. 85 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,720 And so like it's like trying to build up the the nest egg and 86 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,400 play that way. Because like I feel the best way 87 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,560 to get around the burnout is not to be like, oh, I'm going to 88 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,440 quit and I'm not going to do anything is to like find 89 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,640 different areas that are engaging and just find where the 90 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,800 fun is for me still. So that's that's what I 91 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,920 basically been doing. Like that? 92 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,320 This is where you ask Lex how the World of Warcrafts were 93 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:33,640 treating her. It's like a triangle. 94 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,080 She asked me in the night how you pass it back to you. 95 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,960 Oh, she asked me. And then I asked you. 96 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,080 It's this is how three people just ask her. 97 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,200 You ask her. She asked me. 98 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,400 I asked you. You ask her. 99 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,800 OK, OK. Rhea, how's the World of 100 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,720 Warcraft treating you? Very poorly. 101 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,200 Her mother is doing it all the goddamn time and literally not 102 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,600 even snuggling the puppy. And we're not watching TV. 103 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,560 And Raya loves watching TV because it's a fun little bot. 104 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:02,680 This is so dumb. I see what work is. 105 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,160 Treating me very well, Manny. I've been having a lot of fun. 106 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,160 I did some mythic plus with my Guild and now they are making 107 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,920 fun of me because I was on for two until 11, which is good for 108 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,960 me. But apparently, oh, apparently 109 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,160 I'm a little bit of a Guild granny for the awful time. 110 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,520 But I'm, I'm yeah, I'm having a lot of fun. 111 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:25,280 I think we are in a little bit of a a raid lull right now. 112 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:28,200 We're taking a couple weeks off because we had some travel going 113 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,080 on with some of our officers. So we are getting back into it, 114 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,560 not this week, but the week after, which is very exciting. 115 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,280 I miss my buddies and I. So I will say because Manny said 116 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:44,040 that he still has the chart, so he or the meter, so he knows you 117 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,040 know whether or not he's doing trash DPS. 118 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:51,320 If you are generally doing trash DPS, there is an argument to not 119 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,480 having the meter on at all. I always used to have ADPS meter 120 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,920 on and then I was sitting and thinking about it and I was 121 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,400 like, I'm never like purposefully doing bad DPS, 122 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,800 right? Like if my DPS is low, it's not 123 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,280 because I like decided to phone it in, right? 124 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:09,160 I'm always performing at the top of my ability at any given 125 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,800 moment. So seeing where I am in the DPS 126 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,480 meter does not convince me to do better DPS because I'm doing the 127 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,440 best DPSI can do in any given moment. 128 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,160 It just stresses me out and makes me feel bad about myself. 129 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,840 So I have my DPS meter off. I'll turn it on sometimes 130 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,120 between fights to see if there's something that I need to be 131 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,480 aware of. Like oh it seems like I'm doing 132 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,000 really poorly today, I should check this out later on logs and 133 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,480 try to figure out like instead of gear issue did I forgot an 134 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,840 enchant? Like what's happening here? 135 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,600 Am I? Is my rotation messy and I'm not 136 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,360 thinking of something? But during fights I do not want 137 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,120 to see that. I do not want to think about it. 138 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,680 I want to just do the best DPS I can do and not freak out and try 139 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,680 to do better DPS and just make myself all fussy. 140 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,680 Lex, instead of blind rating, you guys should try no DPS 141 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,320 meters for anybody, just the whole raid turns them off and 142 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,560 see if the enjoyment goes up. I know it's already pretty high 143 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,520 in Timbermont Tavern, so it'd be hard to go up from there. 144 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,320 And most of that is attributed to the fact that everybody has 145 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,720 to send you 50% of your gold of their gold. 146 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,760 You know they log on, send 50% of whatever they have to Lex for 147 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,240 the week, which seems reasonable. 148 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,520 Which seems reasonable, but I would like to see that. 149 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,600 That would be fun because I I on the beta we didn't have damage 150 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,120 meters. I felt like I was having the 151 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,840 most fun when I had no idea if I was doing good or not. 152 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:33,720 No, no, I I'd like to have a a general awareness of where I'm 153 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:38,400 at and like while I'm DPS ING, I'm constantly thinking like OK, 154 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,840 like am I doing this right? Am I setting this up? 155 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:48,200 A lot of things with elemental right now isn't even what you're 156 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,080 doing in the moment, but what you're setting up. 157 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,200 Hey, the fight's about to end. Start pulling your maelstrom so 158 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,600 you can take that into the next fight. 159 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,600 Your cooldowns are about to to come up. 160 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,800 Make sure you have this. I I'm about to get like to 60 161 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,760 and send my elemental blast. So I want to save a charge of 162 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,360 this. All the different things that I 163 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,720 don't want to overcap on. So like for me, it's a lot of 164 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,920 like thinking a little bit ahead of the damage. 165 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,560 Meter doesn't doesn't help you do any of that. 166 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,120 Yeah, but I'm always thinking about my damage and then I can 167 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,520 see, hey, did that did that work out when I pulled it? 168 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:29,080 Because like the, the, the fun thing or horrible thing for 169 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,240 elemental shaman is a lot of the damage exists inside my cool 170 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,720 down window. So for roughly 15 seconds, I'm a 171 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,680 God. I am like, it doesn't matter if 172 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:42,720 you've got I let it eye level on me or something. 173 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,560 I'm blasting and I'm there and then the bottom falls out and 174 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:49,840 suddenly that tank, the tanks looking at me being like, hey, 175 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,600 I'm going to take your spot. And then my cooldowns come back 176 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:57,840 and I go back up. And so the question the like ebb 177 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,960 and fall of the DPS meter and like how much I can retain a 178 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:09,720 level before the healer starts laughing at me gives me a unique 179 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,200 view of like where where I'm doing. 180 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,840 And so like, part of it is that I'm looking at what I'm doing 181 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,920 outside of my cool down windows. Part of me part of it is like, 182 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,840 how well did I do on that cool down window? 183 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,360 Because like taking a glance at being like, OK, you're doing 505 184 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,720 hundred DPS, that was a good burst, right? 185 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:38,880 That sort of stuff is like strangely beneficial for me. 186 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,880 And then there's also a bunch of times where I will be in a raid 187 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,240 and that thing will be tracking interrupts because listen, 188 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:53,880 friends, we can interrupt. We we can do that so that we're 189 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,800 not stuck on Laura with the orbs floating around for five goddamn 190 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,120 minutes. Do you not have monks in your 191 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,840 raid group? We had depends on the raid 192 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,120 group. Remember I'm running with. 193 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,240 Sorry, I'm running with two different groups. 194 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:15,520 So depends on the raid group and depends if the monk in one group 195 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,680 is there 'cause sometimes they have hockey on the same night, 196 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:23,720 sometimes they're late, so sometimes we don't. 197 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,160 But also purge works on it. So like why aren't you getting 198 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,080 getting rid of it? Like there's no cooldown I. 199 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,160 Mean purge works, shockwave works, all stuns all AOC CS, but 200 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,880 here's some hot tech for monks. Anybody who's working on Lura 201 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,840 Prague? Heroic Lura Prague Paralysis. 202 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,440 The monk ability Paralysis completely removes one of those 203 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,680 crystals. It does all four of the kicks in 204 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:49,000 one shot. So if you have a monk or 205 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,920 multiple monks, assign them to specific boss frame numbers. 206 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,640 There's going to be 3 of them. You say monk 1, you get boss 207 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,480 frame 1, Monk 2, you get boss frame 3 for paralysis, and then 208 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,160 they just disappear. You don't have to worry, we'll 209 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,760 kick anything. And and to be clear, for this 210 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,760 you do have to call the Monk 1 and Monk 2. 211 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,640 You're not allowed to call them by their name for the rest of 212 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:07,760 the fight. That's right. 213 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,960 Yeah, for eternity. Yeah, they're they're just done. 214 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,560 You don't get a name after that. You get to like this is the 215 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:15,880 trade off, right? On the one hand, you get to help 216 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,280 your team deeply with Prague. On the other hand, you can never 217 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,120 be called by your name again. Gone. 218 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,280 That's right, your monk one. We can shorten it to M1. 219 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,120 You know, we, we're not monsters here. 220 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,160 I'd be playing a lot of bed by daylight so like M1 is just 221 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,240 like, bring yourself me off in my head anyways. 222 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,800 I played a little bit of DVDI, didn't like it. 223 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,440 It's PvP game. It can get wrecked. 224 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:42,840 Yeah. I don't know why Michael Myers 225 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,800 just farms me and puts me in those books and we'll let me go. 226 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:45,880 I don't understand it. It's bad. 227 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,400 I hate it. And I could never get the 228 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,840 engines to work. I always anyway not important. 229 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,480 We're going to move on, Alexis team, get rid of the raid. 230 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,320 We're going to talk about raid. We have some raid news we're 231 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,720 going to bring up. We're going to start with this 232 00:12:58,720 --> 00:12:59,800 topic. I think this is interesting and 233 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,000 I, I think we can open up a small discussion for us. 234 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,400 Blizzard last week. So at the start of the raid 235 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,760 tier, we had the the like blinded vanguard fight who and 236 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,080 they did the avenger shield ability, which was a debuff on 237 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,080 players that when the raid launched was a private aura. 238 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:19,240 Anybody not using default raid frames, and I don't think even 239 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,160 on default raid frames at the time, couldn't see this debuff 240 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,720 on people. So they were struggling to know 241 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,040 who did the spell when because they weren't able to track it in 242 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,280 any of their custom frames. So Blizzard said, hey, we hear 243 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,960 you. We're going to remove a bunch of 244 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,280 our debuffs from the private aura list and make them regular 245 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,680 debuffs so that you can see them and track them on your raid 246 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:39,160 frames. They did that. 247 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,520 They also then added four more Avenger Shields at the same time 248 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,560 because of the race world First they wanted to make that boss a 249 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:49,400 small wall. They did, but what that meant is 250 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,120 now it was 8 debuffs, which is impossible to be tracked by 251 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,960 humans, or most likely impossible because they have to 252 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,640 be dispelled right away. You can't coordinate that. 253 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,720 So people wrote because they were no longer private auras and 254 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,320 they were. They were debuffs. 255 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,600 People wrote a computational weak aura that assigned who 256 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,640 would dispel what. The race ended. 257 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,960 They cut it back down to 4 but because the technology already 258 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,360 existed for the computational week aura to tell you who to 259 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,320 dispel from the avenger Shields, people kept using that even 260 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,640 though it was now 4 and that you didn't need it necessarily in 261 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,440 that case. Now last week there was a hot 262 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,200 fix. Blizzard went in and they re 263 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,280 added the a lot of the spells that they had made that they 264 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,480 removed from private oral list and put them back on the private 265 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,840 oral list. There was 8 spells They did this 266 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,920 too, but the only one that matters because the rest of them 267 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,200 are are nothing burger spells. It's like the bleed on chimeras. 268 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,480 It doesn't matter as who's got that that's not important, but 269 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:53,800 they they re put avenger shield back as a private aura in They 270 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,520 also made it so that it showed up on default raid frames, but 271 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:02,320 this means that it might not necessarily show up on your non 272 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,920 default raid frames. This also essentially broke the 273 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,040 computational week or so. What does this mean? 274 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,400 Well, this means Hall of Fame is closed and people don't really 275 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,880 care and you don't need the competition we gore. 276 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:14,880 So it's sort of forcing our hand. 277 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,400 But what I want to ask, and we'll start maybe with Manny. 278 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,800 How do you feel about Blizzard opening this up so that it can 279 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,880 be a week or it can be used to get around it for Hall of Fame 280 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,840 and then once Hall of Fame is done, closing it off again like 281 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,720 this? How do you feel about this 282 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,680 apparently revolving door of it's OK, it's not OK for what we 283 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:41,600 gores can do in the raid? So I'm not rating Mythic as much 284 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,160 as he wanted to ask who was interested. 285 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,720 I just was like Nope. And also I'm not rating with you 286 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,400 guys anymore, No. Also I quit, I hate you. 287 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:57,640 No, just like I, as I said, I'm trying to look at different 288 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,960 things to play and pushing further into rating is not it's 289 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:08,880 not part of that, but for the health of the game in the long 290 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,800 run, I am glad they're doing it now. 291 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,680 And I remember when they did the initial change, they were 292 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,840 people, I think it was Lex that was just like, it's so stupid 293 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,080 that they would do this, that they they would immediately flip 294 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,080 to making it need a confrontation or or and like. 295 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:34,880 So finding a different solution is important because they'll, 296 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,920 they'll go to this well, again, they will they will need to 297 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,600 figure out a better way of doing it. 298 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:49,080 And they have more time with with more people who 299 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,880 unfortunately, I guess are going to be live testing whatever data 300 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,480 they're going to collect. I don't think they're going to 301 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:02,120 do much for it. And a lot of the scary stuff is 302 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,839 now past. We've got the Hall of Fame 303 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:15,240 filled up for every tier, we've got people with a lot more gear 304 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,599 now so that they can they can force through it. 305 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:26,280 The entire community is just well informed about this 306 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,360 mechanic and so it's not going to be the same as it was before. 307 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:36,840 So in that way, this is the second best time to screw around 308 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,720 and find out. The best time would have been 309 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,640 before it ever went live. But here we are. 310 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,560 Yeah, Lex, how does how does it, how do you feel that they've 311 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,640 made this fight harder this week than it was last week? 312 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:51,760 And it didn't even happen on the reset. 313 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,720 It was a hot fix that came in on a Wednesday and it was 314 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,800 unannounced. Yeah. 315 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,880 I mean, I think I something feels very silly. 316 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,200 I think, you know, Blizzard's whole argument was they wanted 317 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,720 to stop fighting against weak auras constantly. 318 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:14,520 And the result thus far, and to be fair, it's been, you know, 1 319 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,160 tier, right? This is there's going to be, we 320 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,440 always knew there was going to be some like gross time, but I 321 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,680 just feel like all they're doing is fighting against weak auras. 322 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,600 Not that not really. That's not fair. 323 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,760 There's been like a couple of these and of course there's 324 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,520 going to be a few things that are going to come up and 325 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,240 whatever. I I also don't raid Mythic. 326 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,200 I know that's a big surprise to everyone who's listening right 327 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,880 now. So it doesn't really affect me. 328 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:46,280 I don't really understand. I feel like, isn't the Hall of 329 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,760 Fame supposed to be the heart or what? 330 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,640 I feel like that was where you're kind of leaning towards 331 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,120 getting me to say shy. Yeah. 332 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,320 Yeah, it is. Yeah, so there's. 333 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:58,400 Other tuning that happens around it, but yeah. 334 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,560 Yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously they've been doing a ton of 335 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,680 nerf. Like Manny said, people have a 336 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,120 ton more gear. So I'm being a nuance and, you 337 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:08,560 know, ridiculous. But I would think they'd want it 338 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,480 to be harder during Hall of Fame and then easier. 339 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,800 And I also feel like if Hall of Fame is closed, why not just 340 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:19,720 leave it in? Because like, unless they're I, 341 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,440 I, I guess, well, OK, I guess we can steal them in them a little 342 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:23,600 bit. And we can say maybe what 343 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,160 they're doing is they're using this as a testing ground, right? 344 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,680 Because like Manny said, it's going to happen again. 345 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,360 They're going to have more debuffs they're going to figure 346 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:33,040 out how to deal with. And if they can right now, now 347 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:38,080 that Hall of Fame is closed, play around with that and get a 348 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,960 better sense of like, OK, now we know exactly how we decode this 349 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,800 in the future. That is not a test. 350 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,440 Terrible idea. I mean, you know, the automatic 351 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,720 rebuttal to that is, wow, imagine if there was like a 352 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,960 method of play where people are testing things for you. 353 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,920 But I'll be nice. I'll steal them. 354 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,600 So OK, yeah. I mean, I think it's, I think 355 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,880 it's all silly and whatever, but like, can. 356 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:01,520 I be mean I guess. I'd rather they do it now than 357 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,960 never do it right. Can I be mean? 358 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,200 Go be mean, yeah? OK, that's a Nirvana fallacy. 359 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,720 Like just because they didn't get it perfect doesn't mean they 360 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,200 shouldn't try it all. So like that's why it's like, 361 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,840 well, I guess since all the difficult things are sorry, all 362 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,400 the landmarks outside of cutting edge are done now. 363 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,560 What's the next time they get the test other than the PTR, 364 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,520 which by the like I mean we're going to complain about 8 week 365 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,160 cycle some other time. But like they they also shoot 366 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,080 themselves and foot with that. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I, I, I 367 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,440 would, I wouldn't argue yeah. That like the the time that they 368 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,600 test to test it next is the next time they are doing the mechanic 369 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,440 the next time, right? Because like I, you know, also 370 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:44,640 wow, that was a lot of next time. 371 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:49,280 It's also not like all these are going to be coded 100% the same, 372 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,040 right? If if coding was consistent 373 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,280 through everything, it wouldn't break every other patch. 374 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,800 But I you, yeah, listen, I'm being kind of a right. 375 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,320 I, I fully get that. And again, I think what I 376 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,840 probably actually land on if I'm going to sit and be thoughtful 377 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,440 and careful is like, yeah, you know, I'd rather they test it 378 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,440 now than ever. And so if that is the option on 379 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,640 the table is we're either going to release this heartbroken next 380 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,360 time because we will have no additional information going 381 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:21,160 into it than we did last time, or we're going to play around 382 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,800 with it after the Hall of Fame closes. 383 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,040 Yeah, play around with it after Hall of Fame. 384 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:27,880 Yeah. So yeah, fair. 385 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,000 I like. It ultimately Warcraft is a live 386 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,360 service game and we should expect changes in a live service 387 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:36,040 game. It that's how they work. 388 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,960 I don't. I I expect nothing to change. 389 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,520 We're going to be in midnight forever 12 point O .5 If that 390 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,680 ever, if anything else comes up, I'm quitting. 391 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:45,840 That's it. Just midnight. 392 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,080 Midnight till the end. I'm here for classing midnight. 393 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,680 Yeah. So anyway, Paladins, it's it 394 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,640 should have little impact if you're progging Paladins now, 395 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,600 you know, if you're, if you're brought in at this point, you 396 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,000 probably weren't using the weak core anyway. 397 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,440 That was really more of something that further advanced 398 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,320 teams were using. And it'll have little impact 399 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,080 like Manny, like you both mentioned because of the gear 400 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,600 increases and stuff like that. But it is interesting to see 401 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,040 them making changes. Hopefully it indicates that 12.1 402 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,760 is going to launch in a more complete state. 403 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,360 Fingers crossed, but we're going to move on. 404 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:17,760 We're going to move on. Manny and I talked a couple of 405 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:18,920 weeks ago. Some of you may remember the 406 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,880 episode as the episode Full of Joy. 407 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,200 It was the joyful episode where Sean and Manny expressed all of 408 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,920 the things they love about Warcraft. 409 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,040 And in that we were talking about the spore fall rate. 410 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,600 That's coming up in 12 point 0.7 on June 16th. 411 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,760 Date not yet announced, still locking it in as the actual 412 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,280 date. We'll talk about that in a bit, 413 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,440 and one of the issues we discussed was how the Sporefall 414 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,160 raid gear was randomized. The stats on it were all 415 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,760 randomized, and as you may remember, Manny and I did not 416 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:54,280 think that was a great idea. Well everyone, good news 417 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,320 everybody. They have changed the gear in 418 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,880 the Sporefall raid and the stats are now fixed. 419 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:04,520 Why is this important? Because bonus rolls exist and if 420 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:11,800 you are trying to bonus roll a 298 item level chest piece and 421 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,400 you do and it comes with the wrong stats and then you can't 422 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,760 get it again until you've looted every other piece of item on the 423 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,400 list through bonus rolls and you got the wrong stats, that 424 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,480 becomes a problem. So they have made the stats 425 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,600 fixed. There are these are all 426 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,160 upgrades, they're all 298. So these are the, the, the 427 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,640 counterparts to the weapons and trickets we're getting now with 428 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,960 our WS void course. Manny, are you? 429 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,280 I'm glad that they made this change. 430 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,640 Or were you really looking forward to tighten forging your 431 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:51,600 stats? I didn't care. 432 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,800 I thought it was annoying. I'm pretty sure that people were 433 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:02,920 going to complain about it because it would suck if you get 434 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,160 the drop, but the drop does like pour itemization and you get, I 435 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,600 don't know, verse crit when you're a haste mastery person or 436 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,640 whatever. Or that verse kid keeps on 437 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,960 dropping and like the healer that likes it gets it and then 438 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,120 the next 1 drops and you're like well who's going to use this? 439 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:28,360 So it sucks for people who actually give a damn about a 440 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,120 raid where the gear is going to be made obsolete 8 weeks later 441 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:40,880 by the coming of the next tier. But if you were able to take a 442 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:50,920 breath and realize it's a game, the itemization of this of this 443 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:58,400 gear with such a small, small grouping is going to make people 444 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,720 upset anyways. You might be a male wearer. 445 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,960 And because now that piece is haste mastery. 446 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,760 Well, your healer never, never gets the high level version of 447 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,480 it. So now the bad the feel bad. 448 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,000 I guess it's more front loaded. OK, I just I think that in any 449 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,440 situation people are going to complain. 450 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,080 It was just like, do you hate RNG? 451 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,200 Yes, I do. Do you hate do you hate that you 452 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,360 can't min Max? Yeah, I'm sure there's somebody 453 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:31,240 who has figured out how to post on the forums and will show me 454 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:36,760 that they're upset. So Manny's feeling good about 455 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,640 it. Lex, any thoughts on the gear 456 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,080 locking in the stats? Does it matter? 457 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,880 Do you care? So for real with you, I am not 458 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,560 good enough to care about anything outside of item level. 459 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,320 Like I know I'm supposed to. I know that it and obviously 460 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,960 like I have in my head a sense of like, oh, these are my top 461 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,120 stats. So if I'm ever in a situation 462 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,840 where I can do a trade out, I will do a trade out. 463 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,400 But overwhelmingly I am just going for whatever is the 464 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,280 highest item level and and living my dreams. 465 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,920 And if I got a higher item level item, I'm like that sick. 466 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,160 This I will. So I don't know if I just 467 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,640 haven't looked at other raid loot tables in this sense. 468 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,600 I am a little bit surprised by how, first of all, there's no 469 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,120 verse on this table, and it's not. 470 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,280 A single drop? No. 471 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:35,040 Versatility and it's just so mastery heavy to cloth, mail and 472 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:41,640 plate everything drops mastery both of the is that both rings 473 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,320 no, the neck and one of the ring and then the rings are both 474 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,600 mastery. It. 475 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,440 I'm a little bit curious if that's because I mean, I don't 476 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,280 look at anyone's primary stats other than mine. 477 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,680 So I don't know if that's because overwhelmingly most 478 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,000 group, like most people's primary secondary is mastery and 479 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,240 they're going to be over the moon or if they have just simply 480 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,120 chose it. I mean, yeah, I'm I'm Chris 481 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,840 strike mastery. So I'm happy because mine mine 482 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:14,240 is crit is the leather double. So I'm I'm bopping. 483 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,040 But if you like verse. If. 484 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,520 I mean, it's one rate boss. If I go do it in for a rate boss 485 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,480 it's fine. Yeah, versatility is the PvP 486 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,680 stat, right? It's not. 487 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,560 Now you're going to make the argument tanks exist, but. 488 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,280 No, they don't. Most tanks aren't running verse. 489 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,480 You know you're going to run crit haste for a lot of cases 490 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,440 for tanks because you get better value from the crit in the Perry 491 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,160 and the damage done. But yeah, it's it's a weird 492 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,040 choice, but like Manny said, it didn't matter if it was going to 493 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,200 be randomized or if they were going to choose, people were 494 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,360 going to find an issue with it somewhere. 495 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,720 And I guess the issue we're going to find is that there's no 496 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,480 versatility and Lex doesn't care enough. 497 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,600 Yeah, Manny, that's a big off. Manny I I. 498 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,080 Mean like Lex should care as much as she cares. 499 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,400 Like item level is king and I'm glad that they have set it up 500 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,640 that that is a good rule to go by when you start capping on 501 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,880 item level when you're rating mythic, yeah, then definitely 502 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,080 dig down. But I don't think that 503 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,560 versatility is worthless for some people. 504 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,280 A lot of healers do love themselves some versatility. 505 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,080 It is good when you are dealing with like high damage sort of 506 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,320 stuff just to help out. That's why the runes give 507 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,320 versatility because they do cushion a lot of mistakes when 508 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,200 you get that much, much verse. So like, I, I know people love 509 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,040 to hate on verse because it's nobody's best stat as it were, 510 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,880 but it is valuable to a lot of a lot of people. 511 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:57,000 But again, I just, I just think that regardless of the 512 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,800 itemization, somebody's going to be left out. 513 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,400 Just like when we were talking about the last thing, there's 514 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,160 going to be groups that are going to be pragging this on 515 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,600 Wednesday versus Tuesday or like this week versus a couple of 516 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,720 weeks ago. And they're going to be like, 517 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,120 why am I the Guinea pig? And it's like, yeah, some 518 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,200 somebody, somebody is going to draw the short stick on this. 519 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,080 And I'm sorry for those people. I don't think there was ever 520 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:26,040 going to be a perfect way to to make this unless, unless, I 521 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,880 don't know, you guys wanted to be designers. 522 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,360 Go ahead. We've got fast Dev in the chat. 523 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:38,200 Just tell them what you want. Yeah, I think I'm OK with it. 524 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,920 I think I'm OK with it. We're going to move on from RAID 525 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,520 news, though. I think it's enough RAID doc, 526 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,840 we're going to talk more about 12 point 0.7. 527 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,080 We have a lot of 12 point 0.7 news coming up because it just 528 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,800 became a release candidate, which usually means we're a 529 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,000 couple of weeks out from the launch. 530 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,200 We're going to dive into what the release candidate there's 531 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,920 not really anything to to talk about there, but I just want to 532 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,120 say that it is a release candidate. 533 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,880 Now we do have some more stories we're going to hit on. 534 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,000 We're going to start with that release candidate for 12 point O 535 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,800 .7 and if you are not already excited for 12 point O .7. 536 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,640 If you were like me and you found levelling alts kind of a 537 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,000 slog in season 1 and you were like man, I really wish I could 538 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,840 play some of my other characters. 539 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:17,920 I really wish I could get into this. 540 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:23,000 Blizzard came out with a blue post that is going to absolutely 541 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,120 blow your socks off. They have significantly 542 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,840 increased the amount of experience earned from 543 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,680 completing the following types of midnight quests. 544 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,680 First time delves? That's the delvers call. 545 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,480 So these delves were already giving you when you did those 546 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,200 quests, we were already getting over a full level of experience. 547 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,200 It was like a 1.5 levels for doing the full world tour of all 548 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,720 the delves, collecting all the quests and turning them in. 549 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,760 They've increased that by 1.75 times. 550 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,720 So I guess that's now 2 levels. You're probably going to get 2 551 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,080 levels out of this and then more if you have the the five bonus 552 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,160 from alts or 4 bonus from alts. They're also going to increase 553 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,760 midnight dungeon quests, so those will have those have been 554 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,680 increased by 2.29%. And I know what you're thinking. 555 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,640 Wow, that's pretty good. If we stop there, I'm OK. 556 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,000 I'm going to have a good time levelling up my characters in 557 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,840 12.0 point 7. But wait, there's more prey 558 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,200 quests. The prey hunts have been 559 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:30,560 increased by 5.72 times and you can just spam run prey hunts on 560 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,080 low level characters you're leveling up. 561 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,360 And more importantly, the weekly renowned quests are going from 562 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,480 11,750 XP per. So this is your abundance, your 563 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:45,720 Stormarian assault, your S Arel soiree to 101,000 XP per. 564 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,520 It's a 8.6% increase on top of this. 565 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,760 We're going to have turbulent time ways two weeks after. 566 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,120 We're going to talk about that in a second. 567 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,640 I know we're going to have some discussion there. 568 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,800 We're going to get to it. Turbulent time ways on top of 569 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,000 this quest stuff. Lex, is there a better time to 570 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,360 level alts in 12 point O .7? Yeah, never. 571 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,080 OK, OK, all right. I did not see that coming. 572 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,720 I'm so happy for you guys who love your olives. 573 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,200 I'm so happy that you all have your different characters and 574 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,360 you're like playing in different ways. 575 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,680 You love experiencing different things. 576 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,000 I am a Demon Hunter. I am a havoc Demon Hunter. 577 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,160 You will not catch me playing any of those. 578 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,480 I tried vengeance. I might one day go back to it 579 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,080 because tank's important, but unless one of these going to 580 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,720 make me going to increase my havoc Demon Hunter, I mean, I 581 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,920 might want to level my healer again one day. 582 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,760 But yeah, no, you guys have fun. I think this is good. 583 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:45,000 I'm in a little snarky food this this podcast, but I genuinely 584 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,720 this is this is really good, right? 585 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,680 I think it's good for people to have an easier time leveling up. 586 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,320 I think it's good for people to have more access to more alts. 587 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,320 I think there's there's no harm in people being able to level 588 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,120 alts faster. I think that tends to be an an 589 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,160 overwhelming positive. It it makes it easier to bring 590 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,800 friends into it. It makes it easier to try new 591 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,160 things. If, for example, you've decided 592 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,240 you're actually a frost mage and you're going to figure out how 593 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,160 to tank that, you know, good for you. 594 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,000 Now it's easier to level your alts. 595 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,720 I think this is an overwhelming positive. 596 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,680 All right Manny, you have an alt army of crafters. 597 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,960 Have they passively hit 90 yet from crafting or will you be 598 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,400 popping out to do your protect the rune stones once a week to 599 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:32,040 get that 100 and 1001 XP? So they get to Silver Moon and 600 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,640 that's all they need. They don't need to be 90. 601 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,000 They don't need any of that. Some of them I I kind of wish I 602 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,360 went out in the into the world and got those treasures for the 603 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,840 like a little bit of knowledge you. 604 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,600 Don't even have the treasures. Most of them. 605 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,560 You mean like the the weekly? Yeah, not the when. 606 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,960 You go through treasure chests. How did you maxo crafting all of 607 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,160 the crafting professions without getting the weekly treasures? 608 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:08,159 Just crafting and orders. They give you either. 609 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,120 Oh, hold on, maybe, maybe I misunderstood. 610 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,880 When you say Max Toad, you mean knowledge point trees? 611 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,760 Max No. Not knowledge. 612 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,159 No, no, no, no, no, no. That's like, no, no, I mean like 613 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,280 100 skill. For I got you. 614 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,760 I'm with you now. Yeah, I'm with you. 615 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,239 So you're not going to take little little scription Manny. 616 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,239 Little inscriber Manny. I wanted to say little orphan 617 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,880 Manny so bad, but I couldn't think of a profession that that 618 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,679 worked with it The leveled up the. 619 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:40,040 Inscriptionist is actually my vengeance Demon Hunter and so. 620 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,440 Can't play that. Point O 7 coming out and the 621 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,040 what we'll be talking about later. 622 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,719 I definitely do want to level that one. 623 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:59,680 So that's going to be my 4th 90, the Warrior, which was my third 624 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:06,480 90 actually leveled just by farming herbs and, and or so 625 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:12,800 like that one, like actually level that way, but I don't like 626 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,160 to do things over and over at nauseam. 627 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,840 I leveled the first one by doing the main storyline, doing like, 628 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,080 you know, doing The Dells and turning them in at the end, 629 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,400 doing the little bit of professions to get to the end. 630 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,480 That tech that was like there at the beginning. 631 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:37,920 The warlock levelled basically by doing local stories so that I 632 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,840 can enjoy all the local stories again. 633 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,240 So it's been a different way with each character. 634 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,160 I don't think I would enjoy the questing so much. 635 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,640 But that said, I do want to kind of go back and go through some 636 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:59,120 of them to record it. So there's a, so there's a 637 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,920 chance that I take a character that can like actually benefit 638 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,560 from doing these, doing these lower parts and playing through 639 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,800 on that. But from now, I would say from 640 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,200 now until the last Titan characters that hit 90 for me 641 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,880 are going to be doing it through time walking and those kind of 642 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,080 events like there'll be a holiday and collecting eggs will 643 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,080 give experience. And so I'll do that and get 644 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,520 experience rather than do it on my main that I don't care about 645 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:39,200 because like an old snot in any kind of danger or we will have 646 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,080 of course, like time walking. Every time there's time walking, 647 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,680 every character that's eligible to get that like initial quest, 648 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:55,440 I run them through and get them. So like my Demon Hunter is at 83 649 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,400 or something, maybe 84 because time walking has come across 650 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,160 enough times and I've done enough profession stuff to do 651 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,440 it. And so like that's that's where 652 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,520 I'm going to get the experience. I'm sure there's like lore 653 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,320 walking, which even though it's in the data files, we haven't 654 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,520 seen when that's going to show up. 655 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:15,480 And that's another thing that would get me experienced. 656 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,880 So there'll be Ways and Means, it's just not going to be 657 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,520 directly through this experience boost. 658 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:23,600 You're not going to join me in the I'm going to be such a 659 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,080 predator. When 12 point O .7 comes out, 660 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,920 I'm going to be hitting those praise. 661 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,680 Oh man, it's going to be great. Too soon. 662 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,280 Too soon, too soon man. You still burnt on pray. 663 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,200 All right, we're going to rock on. 664 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,920 We're going to move on. 12 point O .7 is coming at us hot and 665 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,200 fast. Congratulations. 666 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,640 June 16th. That's the date that I predicted 667 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,560 last episode. That's the date that the group 668 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,560 think of the community has been like yeah, we're locking in June 669 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,840 16th. Turbulent time waves starts on 670 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,000 June 16th. This has to be the date the 12 671 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,960 point O .7 is coming. There's no way. 672 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,480 And that's eight weeks after 12 point O .5. 673 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,760 And the universe agreed. And then Blizzard changed the 674 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,920 dates for turbulent time waves on the PTR. 675 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:10,360 It shifted from June 16th to June 30th, so turbulent time 676 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,880 ways now starts 2 weeks later and the speculation mills fired 677 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,520 up. Are we getting the patch 2 weeks 678 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,200 later? Has Blizzard learned their 679 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,040 lesson from 12 point O .5? Will it be a 10 week gap between 680 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,480 O 5 and .7? And I'm here to tell you people 681 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,800 in general, all people that no, we're not 12 point O you. 682 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,800 I'm I double I said it last week I'm doubling down this week 12 683 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:40,400 point O .7 will launch on on June 16th, and here's why. 684 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,720 This is straight from Mr. GM, who is the source for all things 685 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:48,080 PTR. There are items in the files, 686 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,760 transmogs, toys, etcetera. For Midsommar, which launches 687 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,800 June 21st, that's the Friday after June 16th. 688 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,640 There is no shot this patch comes after that Turbulent time 689 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,800 ways is just being shortened. Which is weird because there's 690 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,520 ten weeks of time walking dungeon like time walking 691 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,320 expansions but we're only going to have eight weeks to do them. 692 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,440 So there's going to be two that don't make the cut for the 693 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,840 turbulent time ways which is unfortunate. 694 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,840 Hopefully they picked the 2 ones that are the worst. 695 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:20,800 That's. What I was about to say which 696 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,360 two would you want to get the like the short cut? 697 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:32,080 Oh, that's a good question. I like that Burning Crusade and 698 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,320 Legion. I think I. 699 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,800 Thought Legion was going to be my hot take but you're right 700 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,960 there with me my brother. I'm with you. 701 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,120 I'm with you. On that yeah so that I so we are 702 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:49,000 getting so 12 point O .7 I'm still firmly saying that this is 703 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,160 launching on the 16th of June. I don't think there's any way 704 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,440 that that changes We have a raid coming. 705 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,520 We have those Midsummer things in the OR Midsummer Midsummer is 706 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:00,880 that awesome movie. Yeah, I. 707 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,680 Was going to say, Sean, is there a new event where we start like 708 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,680 sacrificing our elderly, like what is happening? 709 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,120 Yes. We should more sacrificing this. 710 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,240 Please listen, I could think anyway, that's not we're not 711 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:14,200 going to not this week, Lex. You're not going to bait me this 712 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,880 this week and it's saying just eat 1 billionaire and then the 713 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,080 rest will fall in line anyway. So I think it's still coming. 714 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,640 Lex, you were skeptical last week when I said the 16th and 715 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,040 locked it in and promised a Klingon only show, which I would 716 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,200 have to do by myself because I don't think you or Manny or are 717 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,120 fluent in Klingon like I am. And then this post came out and 718 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,000 you were like, oh, get ready to cook. 719 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,040 Pennsylvania, Sir. And what do you think? 720 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,560 Are we? Are the dates shifting? 721 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,320 Positive. We haven't done this for a 722 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,360 while, and I understand why, right? 723 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,800 We've been a little snarky. We've been a little mean. 724 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,600 We've been a little, you know, it hasn't been the relationship 725 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,320 with you. And I, I get that. 726 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,800 And I genuinely apologize for my role in that. 727 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,120 And I, I want you to know that you are loved and respected. 728 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,880 And I hope that you at least have always felt that I respect 729 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,000 and appreciate what you're doing, even if I have some, you 730 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,640 know, snarky opinions about what the Blizzard team is doing. 731 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,760 And so I feel bad, right, that we haven't had these 732 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,360 conversations for a while. And I'm, I'm coming at them with 733 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,160 the mindset of asking for something. 734 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,360 And I, you know, we can communicate if you want to find 735 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,280 a way to communicate back to me what you want in return. 736 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,000 I'm, I'm more than happy to have those conversations and, and to 737 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,080 talk about it. I I respect you as a person. 738 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,920 I need this to not be on June 16th man, because I want to hear 739 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,240 Sean do a Klingon episode so bad. 740 00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:40,080 Like literally you can do it a week early that you could talk 741 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,560 your boss into doing it a week early. 742 00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:45,400 This is I, I have never wanted anything as bad as this. 743 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,760 I don't Please, please convince, throw it like I bug out the the 744 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,040 launch. I don't care. 745 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,040 I just need it to not be June 16th man. 746 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,000 I'm I'm begging you here. I will never ask for anything 747 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,880 again if you make this not June 16th. 748 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,160 Flex about to DDoS the server so that they can't come up to the 749 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,920 17th Oh. Yeah, straight. 750 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,360 OK, OK, But to be clear, I actually don't know how to DDoS 751 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,000 something. So the servers do get DDoS. 752 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,200 I swear to God it's not me. Please don't program me. 753 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,800 OK, OK. There's another piece of 754 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,960 information we can extrapolate from this announcement, by the 755 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,800 way, from these dates. Typically when a turbulent time 756 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,080 waves ends, the new patch starts the next day. 757 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,960 Turbulent Time Waves ends on August 11th, so we can lock it 758 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,480 in now. We're going to lock it in now. 759 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:38,800 FAZ 12.1 August 11th. That gives it a month before 760 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,080 BlizzCon, which means the race to World First will be well and 761 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,600 clear. But the weird thing is it puts 762 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:50,560 us firmly into Season 2 for the MDI and AWC Championships, which 763 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,800 are Season 1 events happening live at BlizzCon. 764 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,640 So that's a bit strange. Manny, where we at? 765 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,560 How do you feel about these dates? 766 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,480 Are you still on the June 16th train or are you thinking 767 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,560 there's something in the mist here? 768 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:10,840 Honestly, what I would love to see come out on June 16th is 12 769 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,960 point O .5. I think that we'd be ready for 770 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:19,480 it. I, I I don't. 771 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,040 Think you spoke up from a coma? I don't care about the times, 772 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,280 guys. I don't want you to do it fast. 773 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,920 I want you to do it better. It just the stuff that comes out 774 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,840 that people want to play around with and stuff that people want 775 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:41,800 to have time for, like give it some breathing room. 776 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,720 If there's this raid comes out next month, am I going to do the 777 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:53,920 raid? I don't know, I, I really don't 778 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,280 know, especially since I'm not a mythic Raider. 779 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,200 Especially since like in the first week of of M Plus I'll 780 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:09,120 replace all this gear anyways and there's no real story that 781 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,120 looks to be around it. You know what? 782 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:16,680 I'll do the story up to and into the raid and maybe I'll do a run 783 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,400 with like, I don't know, dungeon Dojo or the story mode. 784 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:28,480 And yeah, but like, I don't particularly feel thrilled to 785 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,440 jump into this spore fall raid. I don't. 786 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,360 I've already talked about like my absolute love and reverence 787 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:44,600 for the borrowed power system of the of the patch as well. 788 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,640 So I'll be doing time walking. I like time walking. 789 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,320 I'm about to blow your mind, Manny, with the next news item. 790 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,480 So, real quick, are we not surprised that we're apparently 791 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,560 a couple weeks out from 12 point O .7 and like you haven't gotten 792 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,400 an announcement? Is that not weird? 793 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,720 Am I tripping out? Now that's par for the course 794 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:09,760 for the point fives and the point sevens, Yeah. 795 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,080 Never mind, I don't know. Probably here. 796 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,640 I suspect we'll get an announcement next week to say 797 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,320 it's coming June 16th. Man, you mentioned something 798 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,440 that I want to just dig into a little bit. 799 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,160 You said you're not worried about being done fast or being 800 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,000 done slow. You want it done right. 801 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,720 And then you said give the thing, give the systems that 802 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:31,600 people want to enjoy some room to breathe. 803 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,320 So looking at 12 point O .5, do you feel like ritual sites and 804 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,200 void assaults and abyssal anglers? 805 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,600 Like do you feel like there's too there's too much there for 806 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,720 people to have been able to enjoy it over the last 8 weeks? 807 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,200 I would say that what's there, there's a wide variety of stuff, 808 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,320 but they're all very shallow and I think that if they had just 809 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,160 picked 1 and developed it into something that we could have 810 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,000 enjoyed, that would have been preferable. 811 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:11,200 It's like Lex was talking about Ritual Sites 2 episodes ago and 812 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,320 be like, yeah, there was one. I went into it and then I didn't 813 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,760 want to go back in because it was the same thing, just 814 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,520 inflated numbers like that. And there's like very little 815 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:29,000 built around it if you want to compare it to its forefathers. 816 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,320 Like there was a lot of story and stuff that was built into 817 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:40,520 the horrific visions. And if you want to compare it 818 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,760 against delves, there's a large variety of delves and stuff that 819 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,360 like makes it more Evergreen and something that people can engage 820 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,480 in. So rituals look like an 821 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,840 experimentation of stuff. Like when I'm looking at 12 822 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,440 point O .7, I'm excited about the world tier difficulty and 823 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:05,000 then building that up and having content that even if I have like 824 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:12,080 nobody on right Sean's busy busy over on Europe, right Lexus, 825 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,920 hiring people to D dos, I'm going to play on. 826 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,320 I'm going to play challenging content just by myself and like 827 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:28,080 that to me is interesting, but like grinding for a power thing, 828 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:34,400 not so much the decor duel. I really felt like I missed the 829 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,000 boat because Sean was done with it before I before I even logged 830 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,920 in for the first time and I still haven't done it yet. 831 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,320 And people are like, oh, it's broken because of this or it's 832 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,880 broken because of this. And even after they fix the the 833 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,800 tracking, now people are like jumping into corners that you 834 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,520 can only get to if you're one thing or another. 835 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:58,640 And that's apparently busted. But I'd love if this, the core 836 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:05,160 dual had been folded into a holiday or became part of the 837 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:11,440 housing thing where people could do like that entire search in 838 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,800 their neighborhood sort of stuff. 839 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,200 I think that like there's really cool ideas. 840 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,480 Or a pre patch should have been a pre. 841 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,920 Patch Yeah. You were like, you were staying 842 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,960 like a quasi Season 4 sort of thing, right? 843 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,600 Like give it the space. Because like, I think if 844 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:34,800 Plunderstorm had gotten dropped here, a lot of people would be 845 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:35,840 like, I don't have time for that. 846 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,720 And it would have gone completely under the radar. 847 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,840 And I think that some of the good stuff that they're doing 848 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,120 here is going to have a unfortunate fate like that. 849 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,800 Yeah, to be super, I didn't even think about this until you 850 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,440 started talking Manny. But I'm like preemptively not 851 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,880 excited for 12 point 0.7 because I was just so burned by 12 point 852 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,960 0.5, right? Like I was so hype about it. 853 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,040 Like it is so perfect for me. They are. 854 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,720 They love the solo players. It's going to be so fun. 855 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,800 We're going to do all this cool stuff and there's so many 856 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,000 things. I'm like, I'm sorry you guys 857 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,160 aren't excited. I't excited. 858 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,680 And I did, I think one day of 12 point 0.5 things and I was like, 859 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,280 this sucks. I have no interest in continuing 860 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,120 any of this. I don't want to touch any of it 861 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,160 anymore, ever. And so I, I'm not getting hype 862 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,880 about 12 point 0.7. And I mean, I'm well on record. 863 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,640 I've been saying this for a very long time. 864 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,360 I would. But for that, they push out 865 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,520 release dates and give them space to like, I, I really 866 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,320 wanted 12 point 0.5 week. Good dude. 867 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,760 I wanted it so bad. I was so excited about that. 868 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,760 So, you know, yeah. This these coming 8 weeks of 12 869 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,240 point O .7 are going to be the time that I take to catch up on 870 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:52,160 12 point O .5 right. Chase after those mounts that 871 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,040 are like in the in the rituals that I haven't even looked at a 872 00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:00,480 guide for chase after whatever stuff that was in 12 point O 873 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,000 like the drop rates of those zone Raiders and such is is at 874 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,560 such a low level. Yeah, I'd like the time to like 875 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,200 hunt for those sort of stuff, but also, you know, touch grass 876 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,880 and play other games like I'm really enjoying Diablo guys, so 877 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,840 I'm not going to go super into it, but I've been playing a lot 878 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,440 of Diablo and being very happy about that. 879 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:26,320 So yeah, I, I think I just, I have to do what they basically 880 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,200 have been telling us to do, which is be OK with skipping 881 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,480 over content, which is what they said that, yeah, they're going 882 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,680 to put out content that not everybody's going to going to 883 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,160 engage with. And the developers have to be 884 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,720 happy with that. I think as a Warcraft player, 885 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,960 it's taken me a bit longer than it should have to be. 886 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,840 Like I don't have to have my hands and everything to to feel 887 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,880 like I'm a real Warcraft player because that's what I've been 888 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,400 trained to do with like every system that came out that gave 889 00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,920 power towards the raid and to Mythic Plus and such. 890 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,080 I like it. One last thing for turbulent 891 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,800 time waves. Then we're going to move on to 892 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,640 what I think is going to make Manny really excited. 893 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:14,280 So famed Dragon Independence activist Viranath is donating 894 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,960 her child for personal vehicle use in the turbulent time ways 895 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,320 and previously in turbulent time ways. 896 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,480 To get one of these mounts you would have to complete 5 weeks 897 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,400 of time walking, with the shortened time walking from 10 898 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,760 weeks to 8 weeks. They also shortened the number 899 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,920 of weeks required to get this mount and it is now only four. 900 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,520 So if they don't skip Legion and BFA like we all want, you can 901 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,440 personally skip those weeks and still be fine to get this mount. 902 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,040 This mount looks awesome. It's a frosty. 903 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,600 BFA is not your second one Lex, go ahead. 904 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:47,600 But they. Only you can only skip one week. 905 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,680 There's only five weeks of turbulent time, right? 906 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:56,720 Is wild line to me. Oh sorry, June 30th to August 907 00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:58,120 11th? How many is that? 908 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:04,360 Is that 6 you're saying? Five, that's 1234. 909 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:05,520 It's. Definitely. 910 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,760 Oh. That is 6 Wowhead. 911 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,600 Why are you making me look stupid? 912 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:10,880 OK, I'm not. Funny. 913 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,360 Wow. In Wowhead's defense, they fired 914 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,800 all their writers. So the bots wrote that article? 915 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:15,960 Yeah. Claude. 916 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,600 Yeah, that's not, that's not nice. 917 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,240 I don't think that actually happened. 918 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:21,440 That's not true. Yeah, I apologize. 919 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,040 I apologize. Yeah. 920 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,680 Anyway, less weeks required. That's good news. 921 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,360 Yeah, we. Don't need to talk about 922 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,120 everybody know it is a cool looking mount. 923 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,000 I will. I will definitely be getting 924 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,200 that. Good news for you in the ritual 925 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,480 sites those mounts are so easy. I accidentally got them all. 926 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,080 So nice. You should have no problem 927 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,560 getting I'm. Going to stream again, I'm going 928 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,600 to do like mount farming and all that sort of like fun little 929 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,720 stuff and I'm going to stream stream again. 930 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,400 I say that and then I'm bring up on a. 931 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,800 Rating. I like that I like that Manny 932 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,000 stream we're here for Manny stream all right one last .7 933 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,600 news and this was going to make Manny happy. 934 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,400 So today Blizzard released a blog post outlining the 12 point 935 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,360 O .7 borrow power Mac guffin that all of us expected and we 936 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,080 even said it here on this show. We're going to get it in 12 937 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,920 point O .7. It'll be nerfed into the ground 938 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,760 in 12.1. We're going to have to grind 939 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,640 this power out for this eight week period. 940 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,240 You know, it'll be super strong two weeks in the 12:01 and then 941 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:21,520 it'll be nerves under the ground. 942 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,200 That may still happen, but Manny, Lex, it is not going 943 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,840 away. I want to read this to you. 944 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,200 This is extremely exciting to me. 945 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,960 So this is direct from the blog post. 946 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,400 Join Magister Umbrick and Grand Magister Raw Math to restore the 947 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,920 reawakened Sunstrider Omnium, an ancient Alvin relic once created 948 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,960 by Dathramar Sunstrider to study and preserve the schools of 949 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,000 magic. Now here's the exciting part. 950 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,320 Once unlocked, the Omnium Folio grants access to potent rooms 951 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,240 for Battle Continue activities to imbue additional power and 952 00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:58,040 unlock its full potential against the forces of the Void. 953 00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,400 Manny, are you listening? Come closer. 954 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,720 I'm just saying these room powers will be available to 955 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:06,880 players throughout the rest of the Midnight expansion. 956 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,320 I call bullshit. What they said it were you. 957 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,040 Yeah, they they can, they can say right there, but I already 958 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,040 know the reasons why they're going to have to turn it off. 959 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,200 Imagine coming in later later and somebody says you have to go 960 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,080 back and unlock this. There's no way they keep that 961 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:27,920 running. They're going to have it 962 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,480 automatically unlock or they're going to like make it super easy 963 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,280 to unlock later. Either way, I'm going to snore 964 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,800 through it until like later on. And then when I'm like, oh crap, 965 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,600 I've got a raid, then I'll deal with it. 966 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:42,840 Maybe they're it's not board power anymore. 967 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,360 Now it's just power. It's extended board powers, 968 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:50,080 board power for the rest of the expansion is still better than 969 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:52,640 short term. So good on that. 970 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,000 So yeah, it's it's better. It's not going to stay this way. 971 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,720 But maybe we ought to determine that they're never coming out of 972 00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:04,720 midnight, that they're stopping changing everything forever, and 973 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:06,800 Midnight's going to be the last expansion ever. 974 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,720 They're scrapping last night. They can't listen to me. 975 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,000 I can't wait for the last Titan rework where some of the Omni 976 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,400 and folio powers get rolled into class abilities because they 977 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,280 become so intricate. I think this is good. 978 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,160 I because I I think what this means is we won't sorry. 979 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,240 I think this is good for people who are playing now and will 980 00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:29,840 continue playing. I think like Manny said, if 981 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,560 you're somebody who who has stopped playing in in 1212 point 982 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,200 O and didn't come back in O 5 didn't isn't coming back in O 7 983 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,280 and isn't a lot of this, you're going to have chores and 984 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:45,560 homework to be optimal. I assume it will be a count walk 985 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,280 with the nebulous void cores. Yeah, I assume so. 986 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,680 And I imagine there'll be a catch up mechanic as well for 987 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,000 the 'cause you get little orbs that open it. 988 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,800 What I suspect will happen 12.1 will come along. 989 00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,200 We'll either get more orbs or we'll get another tree. 990 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,360 They'll, you know, they'll unlock a second tree and and 991 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,960 that's how it'll go either. I don't think it's going to be 992 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,120 unlocked and forgotten going forward. 993 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:12,680 More power will open from it, I believe, as you go on. 994 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,600 But I I I like that we're not going to have a new Mac Guffin 995 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,880 to farm in point in 12 point 1.7 and 12 point 2.7 that we can 996 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,280 just carry this through to the end. 997 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,840 And I think that's kind of an elegant solution to their, 998 00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,400 their, you know, quote UN quote board power, power bump at the 999 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,080 end. Well. 1000 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,680 They're probably just going to, you know, make us reform in 1001 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,520 different, right? Like, do do we not expect that 1002 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,480 they're just going to make us reform later? 1003 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,320 Yeah, I I think 12.1. So this is going to launch in O 1004 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,200 seven. I think 12 point 1.7 will launch 1005 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,400 and raw math or umbrick will be like, hey, we were able to 1006 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,240 unlock a new tree that we discovered that we didn't 1007 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,440 weren't able to unlock before. Here's five more quests to Max 1008 00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:01,480 that out, is what I suspect. I wow, I am really worried about 1009 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,320 this. I think that if they go the way 1010 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:12,960 that you're saying, they need to plug the next one into Apex 1011 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:18,120 talents because I don't like that this would have more time 1012 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,160 and more push than Apex talents, which is one of the selling 1013 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:28,040 features and Apex talents are so much more into like our actual 1014 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:32,000 character than this like thing that's there. 1015 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:37,920 Nick, who's in our in our chat right now is saying like, oh, 1016 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,800 they're basically better than tear sets now. 1017 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,560 And that would be weird because they're less personalized. 1018 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:50,520 I like like tear sets most when they are transformative to like 1019 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:56,160 what I'm doing that that tear. So like it's like it takes an 1020 00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,040 ability that may not have been a star and then makes that like 1021 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,320 what the the rotation revolves around. 1022 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,600 That's when I like tear tear sets the best. 1023 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,960 I know the first tier you always just get like straight little 1024 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,640 flat buffs because they you're just getting used to whatever 1025 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,760 nonsense they've done for this expansion. 1026 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:20,760 So if they do additional stuff for the, for the Omnicron folio, 1027 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:29,360 whatever you called it, that's it almost feels like a covenant 1028 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,840 system at this point where it's like, oh, let me add a little 1029 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,720 bit further down there. And then I wonder why it wasn't 1030 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,760 in at the beginning. Is this something that slipped 1031 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,280 from launch? No, this is I think this is 100% 1032 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,760 plan from the beginning to be their their borrowed power. 1033 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,840 Like their it's their this is their Cersei circlet. 1034 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,680 But instead of just having it for one season because we 1035 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,640 complain about having to firm it every season, they've just said, 1036 00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:58,840 hey, you're going to have it for the whole time. 1037 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,560 I don't think the analogy to apex talents and tear sets works 1038 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:03,840 though. This doesn't impact your 1039 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,280 rotation in any way. Those both have impacts on your 1040 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:07,760 rotation on the way you play your character. 1041 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,680 This is just like bonus procs on your already attack. 1042 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,440 So I don't think it's, I don't think that's a fair comparison 1043 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,320 to Apex towns and tear sets. I would say a more fair 1044 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:22,000 comparison is BFA. How like as we went into further 1045 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,160 tears in BFA, they added things on top of it. 1046 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,040 The way we remember the essences you put in your neck, the heart 1047 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,720 of Azeroth. I actually think your covenant 1048 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,000 thing was perfect analogy. This is reminiscent of the 1049 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,960 covenant power trees that we would build up. 1050 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,200 Yeah, I I don't know, I think it's good. 1051 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,840 I think it's nice to know that I'm not going to have to farm a 1052 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,720 new Mac guffin every season And if I just got to go and do five 1053 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,960 more quests for Umbrecht, and so be it and they may not, it may 1054 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,760 never unlock extras. Yeah, essentially Reshi Reshi 1055 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,520 wraps is another good, another good analogy. 1056 00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,880 Reshi wraps as well, which I think we're a slightly less of 1057 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,760 an impact, but right again, Reshi wraps are only one season, 1058 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,160 whereas I think the I honestly, I think you nailed it with the 1059 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,480 covenants, man That's. I'm going to that's going to be 1060 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,120 forever, man, because we had those from the beginning. 1061 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,000 Covenants lasted the whole expansion. 1062 01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,880 This is this is going to be similar to 12.0 point 7. 1063 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,800 I'm excited to see what they do. I'm I'm curious to see what 1064 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,720 happens and knowing that I'm not going to have to farm a new ring 1065 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,960 or a new belt or a new cloak every season, that that's a win 1066 01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,720 for me. That is, that is a positive. 1067 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,680 The fact that it is off of the gear is a complete win. 1068 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:33,520 I, I'm hoping that we get a lot more story for our, our 2 arch 1069 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:38,320 mages. So like that to me is 1070 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,480 interesting and just like a fun little like, oh cool. 1071 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,720 They're not going to make these characters obsolete after, after 1072 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,920 this, this tear. So yeah, there's a, there's a 1073 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,600 couple of things that I like about this. 1074 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:59,000 We'll see how much I engage. Initially, Manny, you should 1075 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,240 have never done to Ray Teams. It ruined you. 1076 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,680 You were so happier when you had one raid team. 1077 01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,360 I think the two raid teams. I think you're burnt out and I 1078 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,600 think you're unhappy because you had two raid teams. 1079 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,960 I think if you had just had one raid team with your beautiful 1080 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,160 shaman throwing your little lightning bolts and your lava 1081 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,960 bursts and your other elemental spells. 1082 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,160 Elemental blast. Yeah. 1083 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:22,840 Elemental blast. I was trying to think of like, 1084 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,440 what's the what's the zoom, zoom zoom version of shamans? 1085 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:27,440 What? I couldn't think of it. 1086 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,560 Yeah, one Tier 11 raid team next year. 1087 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,080 Lex, can you cosign that for me? I I think, yeah. 1088 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,000 I mean I think you should also only play Havoc Demon Hunter 1089 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,880 because then you get to do your backflips and you get to inertia 1090 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,800 build in Mythic Plus and then your tank hates you because they 1091 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,880 learned they have to clear the whole room because otherwise 1092 01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,680 you're going to backflip into people. 1093 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,120 I really love affliction warlock. 1094 01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,400 I switched to demonology and you know, demonology is pretty good, 1095 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,600 but like it just doesn't have that same flavours affliction. 1096 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,320 So I really do love affliction Warlock elemental instead of 1097 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,480 enhancement. Now I'm I'm branching out, I'm 1098 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,080 trying different things. I'm enjoying it. 1099 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:15,040 It's just a time commitment, like work, content creation, 1100 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,640 playing, playing the game so I can do content creation, you 1101 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,320 know, real life. I think that's still supposed to 1102 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,200 be a thing. I just, I, I tried. 1103 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:28,000 I was burning too many things, juggling too many plates. 1104 01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:33,360 But again, I'm glad that I professions are coming back 1105 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,560 together and I I'm loving being a little goblin on the I'm 1106 01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,200 excited. Lex, do you want to say thank 1107 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,760 you to anybody listening today, anybody in particular, anyone 1108 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,680 specifically or generally I do. First of all, obviously, I want 1109 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:49,880 to say thank you to all of you. I love you all. 1110 01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,160 You're all very fun, cool people. 1111 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,240 Thank you for listening. But especially I want to say 1112 01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,840 thanks to our new Patreon supporters. 1113 01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,640 There is Alan, who is a legendary supporter, and we are 1114 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,720 so utterly grateful, so much. Thank you so much. 1115 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,920 I mean, also we're grateful to give you a cool part about you 1116 01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,000 and Matt Dam as well, who has joined us on Patreon. 1117 01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,320 I we we so deeply appreciate you. 1118 01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:19,360 We for us all to always be free, of course, but it it means a 1119 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,640 lot, right? It's, you know, it's, it's fun 1120 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,200 to put out content into the ether and, and scream and talk 1121 01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,520 about mushrooms and, you know, rant and have one on ones with 1122 01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,080 fast F. But we do this because we want 1123 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,480 to connect with people. And so getting an opportunity to 1124 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,520 see that people are really enjoying what we're doing to the 1125 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,480 point where they want to support us is, is genuinely so, so 1126 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,440 meaningful. So thank you deeply from the 1127 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,680 bottom of my heart to all of our Patreon patrons, I suppose you 1128 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,840 can call them even. And especially to those two who 1129 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,920 just joined us recently, we so, so appreciate it. 1130 01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,520 I love it. Hopefully you're both enjoying a 1131 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,120 new patron. Only access in the discord at 1132 01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,000 bit dot LOI slash faz discord. Manny. 1133 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,640 I have no idea what legendary patron means. 1134 01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:07,080 Do I have to send Alan like locks of my hair now what? 1135 01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,080 What are the? What is happening? 1136 01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:12,720 We will. We will be sending a cut of hair 1137 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:17,080 from the tip of Sean's head directly to you, Alan. 1138 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,560 I think maybe we got to figure out what we do for legendary 1139 01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:26,280 patrons. It is our Top Rank of support. 1140 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,440 So thank you so much, Alan. I think maybe that story that 1141 01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:34,320 that little bit of role play that you used to do was really 1142 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,080 cool. We missed that. 1143 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,440 We missed that We'll. Bring it back. 1144 01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,800 I'll do a personal one for Alan where I'm looking directly into 1145 01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,840 the camera so that he feels like I'm looking at him while I tell 1146 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,720 while I tell the story. We'll get that set up. 1147 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,880 But what I am multi. Wants feed picks. 1148 01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,760 Multi says feed picks for the patrons. 1149 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,960 I'm not against it. I am going to, I'm going to veto 1150 01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:00,200 that one, but I am going to say that I I'm starting a new 1151 01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:01,920 series. You guys have seen that I've 1152 01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,400 been talking to various people around the World of Warcraft 1153 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,680 community about different viewpoints. 1154 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,960 Because for Asroff has always been about just going beyond the 1155 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,760 headlines, talking to people and getting their perspectives. 1156 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,800 We have done that with Lauria. We have done that with all 1157 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,120 different people from all different walks of life, 1158 01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,080 including having Joss back, talking about being a returning 1159 01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,440 player, not doing the instance content. 1160 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,320 We're going to be talking to you guys, our patrons. 1161 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:38,520 So if you are a rare patron or higher and want to have a 1162 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,760 conversation recorded, we're going to do that for our patron 1163 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,200 audience as well. The first one that will be 1164 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:50,640 recorded is going to be about mount hunting and so when that 1165 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:55,000 comes out we will let you guys know, but I've got to schedule 1166 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,680 that soon. I had no idea this was 1167 01:05:58,680 --> 01:05:59,960 happening. This is exciting stuff. 1168 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,640 News breaking now. Is it with multi? 1169 01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,880 It is with. Multi in the chat. 1170 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,840 Very exciting. All right, we're coming up to 1171 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,800 the time of the show where I want to have fun. 1172 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,680 I want to chat with you guys. This is a topic I was talking 1173 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:18,120 about on stream the other day, yesterday in fact, and it got me 1174 01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,840 thinking because I know how I think you guys ever sit and 1175 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,920 think to yourself. I wonder why everybody doesn't 1176 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,520 think the way I think or do you ever are you ever curious like 1177 01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,880 how does that person think like? What is it like inside Lex's 1178 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,000 head? I assume chaotic. 1179 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:33,600 What is it like inside Manny's head? 1180 01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:39,240 A little bit organized. I I want to know what you guys 1181 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:44,320 look for in a raid team. Now I'll just give a quick 1182 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:45,680 description what I want a raid team. 1183 01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,320 I like organization, I like structure. 1184 01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:51,880 I like a nice quiet raid. Efficiency is fun for me. 1185 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,200 I don't like chaos. I don't like a lot of chatter 1186 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,840 even like some people are like Oh well in the trash polls it's 1187 01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,520 fine. I would be just as happy if the 1188 01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,240 raid was completely silent except for raid call outs. 1189 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:07,760 I'm a psychopath obviously, and I like people that will go and 1190 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,720 continue farming the raid once the AOTC or CE is achieved and 1191 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,560 just keep going. Even if you don't need gear, 1192 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,720 just go on and blast them and having a good time with the 1193 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,600 homies. But I obviously recognize it's 1194 01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,120 hard to find people like this. I'm going to Guild right now 1195 01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:21,880 that Matt hits a lot of my boxes for me, so that's good. 1196 01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,360 But Lex, I want to know. We'll start with you. 1197 01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,240 What do you look for in a raid team? 1198 01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,160 This is so. Fun Shawn because I think 1199 01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:32,480 virtually every single one of those points I am the exact 1200 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,520 opposite. Like to an actually crazy 1201 01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:40,880 degree, I am vibes on 99% of why I'm with a raid. 1202 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,360 I I, I do want to be clearing AOTC every tier, right? 1203 01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:45,960 I I like having my little achievements. 1204 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,480 I like having my little mounts, whatever. 1205 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,680 I also like having a goal that would be right. 1206 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,160 I, I, I like moving. I don't want to just be stuck on 1207 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:57,120 a rate spot forever, but overwhelmingly what I care about 1208 01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:02,880 is how the people get along. I reading is, is arguably the 1209 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,080 biggest social event of my week, which maybe is sad, but I, you 1210 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:11,800 know, I like a nice quiet life. So I like I, I, it is important 1211 01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,080 to me that we're chatting and getting along. 1212 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:19,920 I'm also very chatty myself. I will say during fights they 1213 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,120 can go either way. I was actually trained to raid 1214 01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,120 on a team that was primarily veterans. 1215 01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,120 So they like we we would chat and have a good time in between 1216 01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,120 calls. But there was call like calm 1217 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,760 discipline was enforced right? Like once the the fight was 1218 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,200 going, everyone shut up and then I switched to a team that was a 1219 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:42,000 womanly podcasters and now they yell at me because I well, I, I 1220 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,080 got out of the calm discipline habit and now all of a sudden 1221 01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,600 they're like, OK, Lex, we're kind of doing, you know, the 1222 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,800 final boss of the tier. Maybe you don't have to make 1223 01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,000 little comments on right 2 seconds. 1224 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,800 So we're working on that. But I that, that I'm kind of I'm 1225 01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,399 happy to go either way on whether I want to be chatty or 1226 01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:58,479 or quiet. And I, I, I honestly, as much as 1227 01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,920 I am one of those chattier members of the team, I, I think 1228 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,720 I tend to like when the entire team is, is pretty disciplined 1229 01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:06,800 during calls. But if we're not going to 1230 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,359 discipline, I'm not going to, I'm not talking what are we 1231 01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,120 talking about? I, I like, and I also really 1232 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,359 like having time off. That is one thing that's really 1233 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:18,279 important to me. I don't want to be playing and 1234 01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:20,880 like, you know, waiting until the end of this year, right? 1235 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,160 I want to have a few weeks that are, you know, the time that I 1236 01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,720 can catch up on shows and do craft. 1237 01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,399 I hike a ton, right? And so I like having 1238 01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,560 opportunities like walk more to hang out with other people to do 1239 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,880 events in person on that happened on Thursdays and things 1240 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,920 like that. So that but but really 1241 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,840 overwhelmingly what I want in a raid team is cool people that 1242 01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,240 I'm excited to hang out with every week. 1243 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,160 OK, I like it. I like it. 1244 01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:50,800 Manny, what are we? What do you look for in a raid 1245 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:56,680 team? I like teams that do their 1246 01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,680 homework. I don't like this. 1247 01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:05,000 Like I like when people come prepared that they are bringing 1248 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,880 their flasks and their potions and they've read up on the fight 1249 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,720 and they know their rotation and everything. 1250 01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,600 So that we don't have. One thing that like really gets 1251 01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:19,280 me is that you'll have half the team that's done that and then 1252 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,960 half the team that's sort of like a well, I haven't watched a 1253 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:23,160 video. Why aren't you explaining this? 1254 01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,200 Like, oh, that that sends me that sends me for a loop. 1255 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:31,960 I hate. I do not like that, but I do 1256 01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,240 like talking and conversation. Like, yes, you do have to lock 1257 01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,600 in sometimes. Like, OK, clear calms. 1258 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,280 Let's get let's get the calls and stuff. 1259 01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,800 But like kitchen, if you can, if you can hear me, continue every 1260 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,400 unhinged fucking thing that you keep saying, send Jeff to the 1261 01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,000 walls. Love it, I love it. 1262 01:10:54,680 --> 01:11:01,640 I like I'm there as a social thing it I do want to do. 1263 01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,600 I do want to kill the boss and everything, but I I don't want 1264 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,800 to be an automaton. Am I saying that I'm somewhere 1265 01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,920 in between you 2? It just feels very formulaic if 1266 01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,080 I say that. It feels a little bit like 1267 01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:16,240 you're somewhere between. Yeah, OK. 1268 01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,720 But I don't like that. That sounds very formulaic. 1269 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:31,320 I I will say that for my team, part of it is like what we're 1270 01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,600 doing in the raid, but a good amount of it is like I would say 1271 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,800 the majority of it is outside the raid. 1272 01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,000 So like I already talked about doing the prep and all of that, 1273 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:45,000 but I like that like all go on on a random day and people will 1274 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,360 be doing stuff. And it's not just like we show 1275 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,960 up to raid together and then we're we never see see each 1276 01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,440 other or talk to each other outside of that. 1277 01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:57,640 That to me is part of like, yes, it's part of a Guild, but like 1278 01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:01,200 part of the raid team. Like I generally would hate if 1279 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,240 the only reason I know you is because you throw me heels every 1280 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:11,160 so often, so how? Often. 1281 01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,840 How often do you play with the other people in your Guild 1282 01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,360 outside of raid and what content are you doing? 1283 01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,520 Could be anything. I actually think that it's like 1284 01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,680 part of it's just we just have conversations. 1285 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,520 It doesn't have to be like that. We're doing Mythic Plus because 1286 01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,360 like the Mythic Plus team that I run with is outside of my raid. 1287 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:38,120 The stuff that I do like small daily stuff is like my friend, 1288 01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:42,680 my Warcraft friend, but I met through Warcraft that I met back 1289 01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,200 in Wrath of the Lich King when I came back to the game. 1290 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,320 So half the time it's not that we're doing contents, it's that 1291 01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,480 we're actually like talking and be like, OK, like what do what's 1292 01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:56,560 this about and all that, like that. 1293 01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,680 It is actually a community, not necessarily that we're playing 1294 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:05,320 stuff. I mean, I did a, I ran around my 1295 01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:11,200 friend's house. That's not going to help me at 1296 01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,480 all in raid, but like we did that. 1297 01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:16,920 You won't get you understand their mind better. 1298 01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,480 So if you understand that like think about like this way you go 1299 01:13:19,480 --> 01:13:22,400 to Lex's house, you see the way Lex has things laid out, You 1300 01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,680 understand the way Lex thinks. So then you are able to better 1301 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:31,440 predict what Lex will do in any given moment in the raid because 1302 01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:35,160 you're that much more in tune. Except on the issue is you go to 1303 01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,280 my house and you realize that I don't think about anything for 1304 01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,640 more than 5 seconds at a time and you're like well OK, which 1305 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,560 first of all you probably already knew if you were raiding 1306 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,480 with me. But no, I see what you're 1307 01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:47,680 saying. That in itself teaches me OK Lex 1308 01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:52,000 is going to miss this arrow on Demiarc. 1309 01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:57,800 John, you DPS this week as a frost mage and you realized. 1310 01:13:58,440 --> 01:14:00,480 I'm a mage now. And yeah, and you realize that 1311 01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:03,320 tanks don't operate the same way as you do. 1312 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,840 Tanks don't operate the same way as other tanks, just in general. 1313 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:13,120 I will say that there is a general pug mentality of the 1314 01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,400 it's the widely accepted routes and stuff. 1315 01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:19,720 And so you'll be like, OK, I this, this I know is a big pool 1316 01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,560 because everybody does this first big pool with lust and 1317 01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,040 yada, yada, yada. And I'll go check radar IO and 1318 01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,760 look for like the, the weekly route and stuff and use that as 1319 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,640 like my template sort of thing. And then you'll come across 1320 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,440 those tanks that are just like, I'm going to go this way and 1321 01:14:36,440 --> 01:14:38,160 we're going to do this skip and all of that. 1322 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,400 And you'll you'll just be completely lost. 1323 01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,640 And I think that if you're running the content with your 1324 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,240 guildies and you have conversations, yeah, you can 1325 01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:54,680 learn a lot from that. You can, you can also realize 1326 01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:58,480 that like, oh, Manny doesn't have interrupt on his bars or 1327 01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:03,400 whatever, or he doesn't like the like, I have you ever watched a 1328 01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,800 streamer and you're and you look at their bars, you're like, why 1329 01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,360 do you even have that on your bars? 1330 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,120 You've never pressed that button. 1331 01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,320 Yeah, I, I don't. So typically when I watch 1332 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,160 streamers, I'm watching for the personality. 1333 01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:21,160 I'm not I'm almost never watching for the gameplay. 1334 01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,320 There's very few streamers that I watch for the gameplay. 1335 01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,520 If I'm watching you for gameplay, you're one of the best 1336 01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,560 in the world. And so everything you're doing, 1337 01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,160 'cause I'm trying to learn, but I'm not going to watch you for 1338 01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:32,840 gameplay. I'm not going to watch Mr. GM 1339 01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,200 for gameplay. You know, I'm I Pete Dan 1340 01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,040 mentions that a lot of his stream that people give him 1341 01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,480 grief because he's doing his rotation wrong. 1342 01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,120 I couldn't tell you if if he's even doing a rotation because 1343 01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:44,880 I'm not watching any of the way that he plays. 1344 01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:48,120 I'm there for him, for his personality, just the same as if 1345 01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,320 I watched you. I wouldn't be AI don't have the 1346 01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,960 first clue about elemental shamans other than they cry when 1347 01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,640 you move out of earthquake. But I would have no, I would 1348 01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,440 have no idea what your rotation. Was enhancement man earthquake 1349 01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:05,040 just he was like. Yeah, I do judge you eyes though 1350 01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,920 I do look at people's U eyes and I think to myself wow you just 1351 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,240 cleaned that up. You might not be the bottom. 1352 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,960 I, we will. Have a conversation about UIS 1353 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,320 because I could go so adept about like just things that 1354 01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:23,160 matter and don't matter for UIS. But regardless, I will watch 1355 01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:28,280 people for for personality, but it doesn't mean that I'm not 1356 01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,880 like also like watching them play and be like, Oh, that's 1357 01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:36,160 cool when they did that. Like I'll watch our good friend 1358 01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,040 Wochi because like Mochi plays elemental shaman. 1359 01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,200 So I know. So I just call. 1360 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:41,480 Him our friend. I don't think we have to say 1361 01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:42,560 good friend. I don't want to. 1362 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,720 Let's just call him our friend. I'm going to criticize him, so 1363 01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,640 we're going to say good friend so that we can try and get away 1364 01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:48,840 with it. OK, all right. 1365 01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,200 He's not Manny. He doesn't listen to the show 1366 01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:54,360 anyway, so. He's going to get tipped off and 1367 01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,840 be like Manny. Yeah, somebody's going to be 1368 01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,200 like, hey, you got to go check out that episode. 1369 01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,800 Sean and Manny just just totally just. 1370 01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,720 Totally again. Third time good friend Mochi, 1371 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,000 which Sean is no longer fighting against. 1372 01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:11,520 Yeah, a good friend, Mochi like. So he's there and he's teaching 1373 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,600 people how to how to go through dungeons and it's a very much a 1374 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,720 learning experience. And the roots that he he will do 1375 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,640 will be like, I don't like skips because skips will get screwed 1376 01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,760 up. And that's based on the play 1377 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,320 that he's doing. If you're playing with a bunch 1378 01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:31,720 of new people, skips will likely get screwed up and he'll do 1379 01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,280 different mechanics differently because it is the more 1380 01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,760 accessible way. And so like that will like, even 1381 01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,960 though I'm watching Gochi for, for his personality and, and, 1382 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,000 and chat, I will notice those things and be like, OK, like I'm 1383 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,040 not going to do it that way, right? 1384 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,200 He'll do his rotate, he'll do his rotation, or he'll be 1385 01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:00,360 avoiding a particular mechanic and you'll, let's say he doesn't 1386 01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,200 use spirit. Actually, that's a real thing. 1387 01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,080 He doesn't use Spirit Walker's grace, which will mean that his 1388 01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:10,160 his damage will get impacted. But that's kind of a big deal, 1389 01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:10,960 right? We're not gonna. 1390 01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:15,200 It's a good for emoji. It it's a particular thing where 1391 01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:20,200 he doesn't use the utility that would help keep without time, 1392 01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:21,520 so. He just sometimes I just don't 1393 01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:22,400 shield block. Fuck it. 1394 01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:29,960 Right. And so like, conversely, I will 1395 01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,760 go back and I will look at my logs and I will look through my 1396 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:38,120 own, my own times that I've streamed once a year or 1397 01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,840 something, right? And I'll notice that that stuff 1398 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,800 with it with myself. And when I'm watching like 1399 01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:48,480 Bondy, who is like the top rated elemental shaman that I could 1400 01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:52,680 find that actually streams, like his rotation is perfect, but 1401 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,600 I'll learn from him and be like, OK, I that's he's setting up 1402 01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,920 stuff there. But the way his tank pulls 1403 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,680 versus the way like a pug pulls, how much of that transferable, 1404 01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,880 right? So like he's got to pull lessons 1405 01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,840 from everywhere, even if they're not like the best in the world 1406 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:11,360 or like the and you have to figure out what's applyable to 1407 01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,400 you, applicable to you. You know, like some people when 1408 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,920 you're streaming, they're going to be like Lex, why do you have 1409 01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:20,200 things in your bag from 5 expansions ago and they just 1410 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,600 don't understand your stuff? What if you have to go fighting 1411 01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:24,880 us off? You need to. 1412 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,480 Go back the. Weekend A. 1413 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,600 Time walking thing and all of my team had to go figure out how to 1414 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,720 get their stupid cloak. You don't didn't have to go 1415 01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:33,920 figure out how to get their stupid cloak. 1416 01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:35,120 Manny guess, guess we didn't have. 1417 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:36,840 To figure it out, you Lex is you I'm. 1418 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,560 Not sure I ever told you this right. 1419 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,960 I had a actual nightmare about your bags one time. 1420 01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,680 I feel like I was just like, I got to stop watching Lexus G. 1421 01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:51,600 He was just like, what The he was just like, I, you know, you 1422 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,000 don't remember exactly what's going on, but I'm just like, oh, 1423 01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:58,000 Lexus bags. OK, they're. 1424 01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:01,000 Pretty bad, but like I just. I have everything I need. 1425 01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,000 I know where it all is. I know what are the bags that 1426 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,160 are completely meaningless to me because it's all is that. 1427 01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,120 Where Rochi Spear Walker's grace is, it isn't Lexus bags then. 1428 01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:09,560 I can understand why he doesn't want it. 1429 01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,200 Nazov is going to come back and is coming out of Lexus bags. 1430 01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,800 Hanging out with me, buddy. I love it. 1431 01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,280 I love it. We're getting, we're getting 1432 01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:21,680 kind of long in the episodes. We're going to wrap them. 1433 01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,960 I do just want to say I love my Guild and I do hang out with 1434 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,040 them and we have all kinds of laughs and discord and we do 1435 01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,280 keys together and we chat. I just like a nice, quiet, 1436 01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,040 organized raid. For Sean, Raiders should be 1437 01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,520 parsed, not heard. That's right. 1438 01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,160 Yeah. Yeah, Exactly, Exactly. 1439 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:37,520 I don't even hear what these bots are saying. 1440 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,480 That's it. Thanks for hanging out with us 1441 01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:42,600 today, listeners. We really appreciate it. 1442 01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,200 We're going to be back next week with some more for Azeroth and 1443 01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,920 apparently a special secret episode on mounts that I didn't 1444 01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,880 know what's happening. But until next time, we all your 1445 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:51,440 hits be crit.