1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,960 But I didn't feel like I was earning anything towards like my 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,720 character being better for when I can play with folks. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,840 And that was like a big thing that I was missing. 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:13,280 Victory for the Forsaken, for Lauderon, for the Karen Tour, 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:23,000 for Pandaria, for Calendar to the Burning Region, for 6 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:30,360 Gilnaeus, but has not done for the Lich King, for the Sindori. 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:36,600 For the alliance. For the Horde, for Azeroth. 8 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,880 Hello and welcome to another special episode of For Azeroth. 9 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,840 I am one of your hosts, Manny AKA the Truvim. 10 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:50,400 Manny and I am joined by the one and only Missile Dine online. 11 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,040 Hello, Missile Dine. Oh, hi, Manny. 12 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,920 Welcome back to the show. How's the World of Warcraft been 13 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:58,520 treating you? Oh. 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,240 My God, it's so good. Warthin has been such a great 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,600 rekindling of my love for the game and it continues to 16 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,680 impress, especially with all the midnight stuff. 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,680 I'm very happy with it. Yeah, I know that you, like many 18 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,560 other people, had been disenchanted with Wow for a 19 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,080 time, and you've kind of refound your your love of the game. 20 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,720 And one of the big things that I know that you have been really 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,720 going into is Delves. And that's what we're here to 22 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,560 talk about today. For the people who might not 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,960 have heard you the last time you're on the show, could you 24 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:35,520 tell us a little bit about yourself? 25 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,440 Yeah, my name is Corey or Missile Dyne online. 26 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,120 I've been a full time streamer content creator now for I think 27 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:49,360 about 8 years this this November actually, no, I'm right. 28 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,520 Today I would have been full time for eight years. 29 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:58,160 I think I went, I went full time on September 1st, 8 years, eight 30 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,360 years ago. Happy anniversary then. 31 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,360 Thanks. Yeah, I just realized that right 32 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,800 now while I'm looking, yeah. So I've been doing a lot of 33 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:11,320 World of Warcraft content and RPGs in some Final Fantasy 14 34 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,400 that I kind of fell out of a little bit, but still love the 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,480 game. Just don't play it that often 36 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,600 right now. But yeah, you can find me on 37 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,640 Twitch and YouTube and all that jazz doing stuff. 38 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,400 Yeah, like obviously games have ebb and flow, just like with 39 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,000 Wolf Warcraft, like we were just saying. 40 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,480 And Final Fantasy has some critics that are being very 41 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,960 vocal right now and some things that it needs to Polish off. 42 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,360 But we were just talking about about how part of the reason 43 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,040 that you have found your love for the game is Delves. 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:45,680 And so tell me, like what you love about Delves. 45 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,440 Yeah, so first of all, I just have to say the the the 46 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,840 listeners can't see you right now, but that Warcraft shirt 47 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,920 that you're wearing, I love it. Like it. 48 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,600 Trust me, listeners, it is. It is. 49 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,640 It is good. I I want it. 50 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,040 I might steal it from Manny, but he's not looking. 51 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:08,560 Yeah, no, I so I've been a big fan of like solo content in 52 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,800 World of Warcraft. Not necessarily like that's how 53 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,360 I think the game should be played, but more I think that's 54 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,480 something that was missing in Wow was character progression 55 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,120 that you could do on your own without relying on scheduling. 56 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,120 A time where four other people can join you or, you know, nine 57 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,600 other people or 19 other people just give you something that 58 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,440 actually moves your character forward. 59 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,280 Not just in, oh, I collected these cosmetics or I've made 60 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,840 progress on this reputation, But meaningful progression for your 61 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,280 character is something that I thought was lacking a lot. 62 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,200 There were times where like I felt like playing, but I didn't 63 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,760 really want to pug. There was nobody around, but I 64 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,160 still wanted to play Wow, but I didn't feel like I was earning 65 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,920 anything towards like my character being better for when 66 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,600 I can play with folks. And that was like a big thing 67 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,400 that I was missing. And I feel like delves for me is 68 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,960 that it is that that single player progression that you can 69 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,760 still do when people are busy and you can take your alts in 70 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,600 there and you can make it as hard or as easy as you want. 71 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,320 And it's just been a breath of fresh air for me. 72 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,560 I definitely see the that appeal. 73 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,040 I am definitely somebody who pushes progression, but I've 74 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,360 always been group content. So being if I didn't have group 75 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,240 content, delves seem like exactly the thing. 76 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,960 Because I am not a person who likes the follower dungeons. 77 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,480 Because I love the ramping difficulty and at least delves 78 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,240 gives you that progression there. 79 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,920 Yeah. And one, one of the things that 80 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,520 because delves, delves are if you're somebody that's doing 81 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:47,960 mythic mythic plus, you know, even like a mythic 5 or higher, 82 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,080 delves are probably not going to feel that that hard for you. 83 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,680 I would say the same for raids and whatnot. 84 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,360 Maybe certain specs might struggle a little bit more in 85 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,120 delves than than other ones. I play a tank primarily and 86 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,880 tanks have a very, very easy time in delves. 87 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,600 But one of my favorite things to do with it is to take low 88 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,840 geared, low item level DPS characters and just see how high 89 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:12,920 I can go in a delve. I was just doing that on string 90 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,480 the other day where it's like I took a fire mage that I never 91 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,080 play and tried to do an 11 on it. 92 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,520 I was able to complete the 11, not with deaths remaining, but I 93 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,320 was able to do it. And like that was a really good 94 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:24,440 time. And that's something that you 95 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,040 you can't really get that in in a key or raid or anything else 96 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,160 without feeling like you've made somebody else's time worse. 97 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:35,120 And you don't have to worry about that with delves. 98 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,000 Yeah, you're right. There is a bit of a social 99 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,600 burden with some of the group play when you are trying out 100 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,040 characters that you're not familiar with or just learning. 101 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,400 You do say that you play tanks primarily, but I've also seen 102 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,520 you last season not with a DPS but with a healer when you're 103 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,600 trying out tank brand, trying to push through. 104 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,760 I think it was an 11 on the first week. 105 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,920 Yeah. So in terms of difficulty, how 106 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,520 has that gone through with the War Within as it was in Season 107 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,800 1, then they shifted things in Season 2. 108 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,240 I think from Season 2 to Season 3 it's been about the same. 109 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,960 But like, what's the story of like the challenge of Delves 110 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,520 being through the War Within? I think when so I had an 111 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,800 interview pretty early. It was the in between Season 1 112 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:31,120 and 2, I had an interview with some some Delve devs, which was 113 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,480 awesome opportunity. But one of the things that they 114 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:37,600 mentioned was that the first iteration, the first season of 115 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,200 Delves was kind of like no one really knew what Delves were 116 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,480 yet. Like a couple people, those devs 117 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,240 that I interviewed, they knew what Delves were, but like the 118 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,080 everybody else on the Warcraft team wasn't quite sure what it 119 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,560 was yet. And I feel like we've seen 120 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,880 Season 2 and Season 3, it started to click with the team 121 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,680 and you start to see the, the way that things are being 122 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,560 developed. And now going into midnight, 123 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,160 we've heard that like they're going to have the, you'll be 124 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,440 able to like ground mount and stuff. 125 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:08,960 And there might be like outdoor ones. 126 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,040 And it's, I feel like what they were saying is now the team gets 127 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,320 it. And I feel like if for somebody 128 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,000 like me who's been doing it a lot, I'm seeing that the team is 129 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:22,120 starting to get it too. Like taking out the the the 130 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,120 underwater delves that were like a cool in theory, but so many 131 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,200 people didn't like that that extra little mechanic or even 132 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,120 even more simple than that, just the candle mechanic in 133 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,920 waterworks Krieg balls rest like that type of thing where you had 134 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,800 to use an air purifier or candle to make sure that you can get 135 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,280 through safely. In season 1, that required 136 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,040 micromanagement of that object. Season 2 and three, they were 137 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,680 like, you know what, no, you can focus on the delve. 138 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,160 We're going to don't worry about that, that it's there, but like 139 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,880 you don't have to micromanage it as much. 140 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,600 And then one of the big things I've noticed going from season 1 141 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,400 to season 2 and now season 2 into season 3, I feel like 142 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,840 they've built so much into the delves that allow the delve 143 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,040 themselves to defeat the enemies for you. 144 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,360 So if you're struggling like I was on that I was, I'm not a 145 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,960 healer, I'm horrible, but I brought my shaman through so 146 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,840 many of the things in that delve that I did on 11. 147 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,920 The damage was coming from knowing the mechanics of the 148 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,640 delve. Like earth crawl Mines for 149 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,360 instance, has the the a story scenario where the carts are 150 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,159 coming through and if you bring mobs on top of the tracks, the 151 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:39,240 cart will hit those mobs, interrupt them, and do a pretty 152 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,159 significant amount of damage. Nightfall Sanctum has these like 153 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,960 blue purple lines you can cross and if you do, you get pelted 154 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,120 with these pools of of purple energy, whatever on the ground, 155 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,040 but you can also bring that on top of mobs and that will do 156 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,640 damage to them as well. And there's there's the spores. 157 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,520 There's so many different things that they have now archival 158 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,200 assault built, which is the brand new delve in season 3 that 159 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:08,880 even has like these pylons you can destroy that will do damage 160 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,720 to everything else. So like they're, I feel like 161 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,400 they've, they've taken that almost every Delve has something 162 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,440 like that in season 3. And that's, that's different 163 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,000 from Season 1 I, I think. OK. 164 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:27,200 So another part of delves are like the different items that 165 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,800 you get like little things that will like allow you to have like 166 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,720 not just more stats, but just different small little effects 167 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,120 Have have those being welcomed? Have they been something kind of 168 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,280 forgettable, or what's the story behind those in terms of your 169 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,680 own progress through delves? Yeah, I mean, even those I feel 170 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:48,560 like have come a long way since season 1. 171 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:51,200 Season 1, they were kind of like flavorful, but not that 172 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,240 impactful. Season 3, I feel like there are 173 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,320 some that are just like wildly good. 174 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,520 There's one where you beat a rare and you get a mercenary 175 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,800 contract, which randomly allows you to summon basically that 176 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,120 rare to come and defeat things for you. 177 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,480 And it that thing pumps, does so much damage. 178 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,400 And like that's one there's they take a lot of like the curious 179 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,480 that you might have had in previous seasons and like rework 180 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,960 them to be like a little bit lesser of a version and put 181 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,040 those in this one as like powers you can get. 182 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:28,400 So like the football, the foot bomb dispenser, if you get that 183 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,760 power and a delve, congratulations, you just beat 184 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,200 the delve. Like it's so it's so good. 185 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,960 You can just see a boss's health to just deplete when you have 186 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,600 that, even on an 11, it's amazing. 187 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,960 Yeah. But like they've done, I think 188 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,880 those powers, from my understanding and talking to 189 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,520 other people that don't really like delves, those powers are 190 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,640 always a welcome addition. I don't think anybody's ever mad 191 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,000 when they get one of those. Just kind of helps out, helps 192 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,240 them get through it. I find that most of the time 193 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:03,680 when people are having some struggles in delves at in these 194 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:06,560 later seasons, it's because they were ignoring some of the things 195 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:09,600 that you're talking about, not using the environment, not using 196 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,840 those items, and so you're kind of making it harder on yourself. 197 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,840 Do you think that there's a way that they could, I don't know, 198 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,760 have a tutorial to teach people, hey, these are things you need 199 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,840 to use? Or what do you think could help 200 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,720 people like remember to use these things? 201 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,000 You know, I, I don't know if I would like a tutorial because I 202 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,840 think there's something really cool about discovering something 203 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,560 organically and there's so many resources like if you're 204 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:39,600 struggling in a delve, I'm sure you can Google, you know, a 205 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,320 delve guide or something and someone's probably got like all 206 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,080 the tips and tricks you can do in a delve just like they do 207 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,000 mythic plus and raids and everything else, right. 208 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,960 So like I, I don't know, I, I feel like finding stuff out 209 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,680 organically is really cool of like discovering like, oh wait, 210 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,160 I can use the pools in nightfall sanctum. 211 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,920 I can use those to damage these. That's wait a minute, that's 212 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,800 really cool. Or the the spores in like we all 213 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,720 know about the spores now, but like when you first walked in in 214 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,160 season 1, you're able to use the spores to damage everything. 215 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,200 You're like, wait a minute, I can there's some strats I can do 216 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,920 with this now and I don't know, I wouldn't want to lose that 217 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,480 organic discovery. But I was going to say, I feel 218 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,040 like they're the the mechanics that do that need to do enough 219 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,240 damage that the player immediately is like, that wasn't 220 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,720 me. What did I just do that caused 221 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,440 that? And I feel like they've been 222 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,920 doing a pretty good job of that, but maybe maybe they can do even 223 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,360 more like the mine. Maybe not everybody knows about 224 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,000 like the minecarts for instance, because they just don't stand 225 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:49,600 near those. Yeah, maybe instead of a full on 226 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,960 tutorial, it's just like a little vignette where you're 227 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,360 like walking it, walking towards one spot and then you see like 228 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,880 just an enemy being like, Oh no, Oh no. 229 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:01,960 And then get hit by the card and and killed. 230 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,080 And it's like that's enough to tips a player off or something 231 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:06,560 like that. I mean, that's a really good 232 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:08,720 point. I think that we actually have 233 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,800 the perfect tool for that and it's our companion. 234 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,720 Like I like it makes sense that Bran bronze beard of Valera 235 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:23,400 Sanguinar in midnight could call stuff out to us with a line of, 236 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,360 you know, or just suggest something in case like maybe you 237 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,680 didn't, you didn't notice of like if Valero says like, Oh, I 238 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,080 wonder what those will do to them. 239 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,640 Or like, you know, something like there's there's so many 240 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,640 creative ways they can just tie it into the companion as well 241 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,280 without making it feel like a like a tutorial. 242 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,880 I feel like a brand kind of already does that right, with 243 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,320 the don't stand there. Like that's a quick reminder of 244 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,040 like, oh, I'm standing in something I shouldn't be. 245 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,520 OK, little bit of gold or whatever is to a cool. 246 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,840 That doesn't help at all. You just get a little bit of 247 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,160 gold, but you you get the, you get the point. 248 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:02,600 Yeah, Yeah, that, that's very true. 249 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,560 And actually on that topic, speaking about our companions, 250 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:10,960 that has been a big part of Delves is that's having again 251 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,040 throughout the war within we've had bronze, bronze, bronze beard 252 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,480 brand, bronze beard. Wow. 253 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,400 Bronze Twister. Anyways, he's been our constant 254 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:26,360 companion and each season he's been getting different abilities 255 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,680 that have been reset with this the season and each season we've 256 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,160 had to like relearn what's like good and what's like the 257 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,920 strategies with these. You were just saying that 258 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,120 organic discovery is is something that you enjoy. 259 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,280 Do you spend a lot of time just sort of testing out the 260 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,200 different curious and figuring out which powers kind of work 261 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,800 together? Or are you saying like you 262 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:55,240 actually it's cool to just go to like one of the websites and 263 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,720 finding out what they're like? Tear list of curious is. 264 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:00,800 Yeah. So I, it's funny you say that 265 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,720 because I actually have not looked at any other source for 266 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,800 the curios in season 3 other than me just like trying them 267 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,040 out and seeing what's cool. And you know, I got all my 268 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,800 curios maxed out. Felt like can't really make up 269 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,800 your mind without knowing exactly what the power is when 270 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,320 they're fully maxed. And this season in particular, 271 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,440 there's one that I was like, I don't need to test any other 272 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,600 ones in in this. That one's great, which is you 273 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:36,160 get 12% crit and it does like another thing where it like 274 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,240 summons a sand thing that pulls enemies into it, but that 12% 275 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,720 stacks with every single time Brand Bronsbeard finds a 276 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:49,680 gathering node so you can end a delve and it doesn't go away. 277 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,120 It's not time, it's just permanent while you're in that 278 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,720 delve. So if you're like looking around 279 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,000 and getting herb, letting him get herbs or mine mining nodes 280 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:05,920 or fishing nodes, you can get like 72% crit added on to your 281 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,640 character, which is just like, why would I do anything else? 282 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,880 Why would I go for these temporary ones that last? 283 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,360 They might proc often, but you only get them for, you know, 4 284 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,080 seconds and then it goes away. Why not just benefit from 72 285 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,800 crit percent crit the entire like that's amazing. 286 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,760 So like there's certain ones like that where I'm like, I I 287 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,440 don't even just kind of look at the tool tip and see how you 288 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,960 played. I kind of like that about 289 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,880 delves. If you look at the curious, you 290 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,400 know how you play in that delve, is that curio going to help you 291 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:41,160 with the way that you play Cool. Like a lot of people didn't like 292 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,560 the in season 2, there was the the robot that you would call 293 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,640 down and a lot of people didn't like it because you lost control 294 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,760 of your character like you would, you would kind of run 295 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,320 around in this robot. You couldn't pick exactly when 296 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,680 it was. It did tremendous damage and I 297 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,560 loved it. But then it started to be a 298 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,480 problem of like, you know what, my character actually does just 299 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,720 as much damage now after getting gear and everything else. 300 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,119 Like it was really only good in the season. 301 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,920 But then you could also you remote piloted the robot. 302 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,319 They made that change in Season 2, which was a good change, but 303 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,839 it also meant that your character could be in a bad spot 304 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:23,599 when you got out of the robot or like would set you pretty far 305 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:25,640 back. And some people just didn't like 306 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,119 playing with that. Doesn't matter how strong the 307 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,520 curio is, that's just not something that people enjoyed. 308 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,360 So they just wouldn't do it. So yeah, I think it's about 309 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:36,440 like, fine, like testing it. What, you have nothing to lose. 310 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,600 That's like the that's the coolest thing about the Delves 311 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,160 is you're not wasting anybody else's time. 312 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,040 It's just you. You can take as long as you 313 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,600 want. You can wait for all of your 314 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,200 cooldowns to come back in between every pole if you really 315 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,800 want to. It's just you have full control 316 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,480 of how you want to handle that thing. 317 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,600 And I don't really think there's other content in Wow that that 318 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,920 gives you that. I mean, outside of questing, no, 319 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,280 I I can't, I can't think of anything that is quite like 320 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,320 that. So you were talking about like 321 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,320 how powerful that is and how even when it's powerful, some 322 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,400 people didn't use use particular curious, how was the curio 323 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,400 balance overall throughout these seasons, in Season 1, Season 2 324 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,600 and now in Season 3? Has it been relatively balanced 325 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,560 so that you didn't feel so bad if you didn't like it using 326 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,000 curio? Or have there been like seasons 327 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,760 where the curios are just so out of balance that it's like you 328 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,880 could opt not to use it, but you're putting yourself X 329 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,480 percentage behind? Right. 330 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,600 I would say season 1 was far more of that. 331 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,360 There were, I don't don't even remember now exactly which 332 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:49,680 curios there were, but there were definitely 2 that was like 333 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,040 the meta. You would use those two curios 334 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:54,720 because they were so good. Everything else was kind of like 335 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,160 flavorful, but again, it was one of those things where it felt 336 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,080 like the team didn't quite get it. 337 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,120 Season 2, the curious were introduced. 338 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,520 They had a lot more variety. There was still like certain 339 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,560 ones that you would want to pick. 340 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,160 Like if you were a healer, you'd use the if you were a healer and 341 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,000 you were using tank Brand, you would want the pinged augment 342 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,040 chip because it was just really good. 343 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,360 There was no real downside. You just you could dispel Brand 344 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:23,920 instead of destroying the robot if it if you use that with 345 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,480 anything else and you keep don't have access to a dispel, you 346 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,360 would need to destroy that robot and it had too much health, so 347 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:31,400 you wouldn't do that. So like that ended up being kind 348 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,040 of like a meta pick, I think. But outside of that, I think 349 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,920 there were a ton of curious that you could use. 350 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:42,520 People really liked the the one that would summon the the robot, 351 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:47,840 the flaming robot T rexes. They like that one they would 352 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,800 use. They would also use the the one 353 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,680 that would make a copy of the elite that you damaged below a 354 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,920 certain amount. There was a lot more variety. 355 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,880 Season 3, from what I've seen so far, is like use whatever you 356 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,400 like. Like they all feel fine. 357 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,160 Like there's nothing that's like I I really like the sands of 358 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,760 Koresh one, but like all the other ones feel like you can 359 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,960 just yeah, if you want to use those in that moment, go ahead. 360 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,680 OK, I would like that. Seems really good. 361 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:18,560 So then the last component of Delves that we haven't talked 362 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:23,480 about is actually kind of a headliner of Delves and that is 363 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:29,360 like the seasonal nemesis, that one big fight that you do where 364 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:32,360 it is first on question mark and then double question mark. 365 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:35,800 And this is something that you've always tried to challenge 366 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:41,240 quite early in in seasons. How how's that been through the 367 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,200 seasons and how's it evolved over the course of the war 368 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,400 within? Yeah, so Season 1 we had Zack 369 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:55,560 Veer, which was annoying in a lot of different ways just 370 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,920 because it was kind of buggy, no pun intended. 371 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,000 There were times where like the cone would just hit you in the 372 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,080 because it could either go on you or Bran. 373 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,520 If it went on brand, you were fine. 374 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,120 But sometimes it could go on you at a time that you also had to 375 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:10,920 deal with the spider ad spawning. 376 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,280 And if that happened and you didn't have a any way to get out 377 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,360 of that, you were just kind of dead. 378 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,200 That's it. Like your attempts over there's 379 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,400 there's no real counter play to that outside of like you have to 380 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,480 bait the claw before you can. And then if there were issues 381 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,760 with like, can you even burn the AD down in time? 382 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,880 And if you're a speck that has trouble with that burst, you're 383 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,120 going to have a harder time. You kind of needed like specific 384 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:37,960 trinkets to get it down maybe. And then healers had a whole 385 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,240 other issue with that fight where like you as a healer, you 386 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,360 probably weren't getting that AD down in time either. 387 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,160 Now it was just a whole bunch of issues. 388 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,720 You didn't have tank Brand in Season 1, so Zechvir kind of 389 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:57,920 felt the most. You needed to be either like a 390 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,200 tank spec that could do good burst damage, or you needed to 391 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,520 be Adps and that's it. Like anything else, you were 392 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,560 you. You're fighting a uphill battle. 393 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,920 Got it. So the challenge was wildly 394 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,520 different based on the spec you were playing. 395 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:20,320 Totally, and then in season 2 I feel like they tried to fix that 396 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,840 and they almost went too far with it where they made the 397 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,360 underpin which was incredibly role agnostic because the only 398 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:31,600 real thing you had to do was burn through a shield that the 399 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,160 boss would do. Everything else was kind of like 400 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,920 your damage on the boss was irrelevant. 401 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,360 The ads that would spawn were your damage to them was 402 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:43,720 irrelevant because all you needed to do was kick the bombs 403 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,240 at them. And really it became more about 404 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,640 like positioning stuff, but that also can be a little bit harder. 405 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,680 But like you didn't need to be a tank, you didn't need to be 406 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,400 ADPS. You could be a healer, you could 407 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,000 be any. It felt like you could be 408 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,960 anything. But the the problem came with 409 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:05,960 like, how do you get him around the arena if tank Bran is now, 410 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,080 if you, if you're a healer that's using tank brand and like 411 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,600 tank brand is not the brightest. So he's just like sitting in one 412 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,960 spot and the ads won't go there. So now the ads are going on the 413 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,840 complete opposite side and you're just like, OK, I can't 414 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,360 really like this is this is a mess. 415 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,080 And a lot of people didn't know like how they thought that the 416 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,240 ads spawning were was completely random, which it's not. 417 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,920 It's based on proximity of where the previous bots were with him 418 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,960 as well. So like if he was standing near 419 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,360 the ads that you just destroyed, he wouldn't summon ads there. 420 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:41,080 They'd go to the next closest spot that they would. 421 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,080 And if you kept him in the center, then they would could 422 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,760 spawn all over the place, which is bad news bears. 423 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,800 But like I think people just didn't really learn that. 424 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,240 And then you of course, like beastmaster hunters could just 425 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,120 do the fight and not worry about anything. 426 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:03,000 And then they've nailed it though in season 3, like I, 427 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,960 they, I think they learned about, you know, role 428 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,640 agnosticism being good for these types of fights. 429 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,480 And then they introduced Kai Vezza, who has similar mechanics 430 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,640 like she does in the raid in the rhubarb palace in season 1. 431 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,600 She has similar mechanics. So like you kind of already seen 432 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,400 like her, her base kit. She actually doesn't. 433 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,160 She has like 3 that she'll do during the fight, but they're 434 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:31,960 all one shots. Therefore it actually doesn't 435 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,080 matter what spec you are, doesn't matter if you're a tank, 436 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,760 doesn't matter if you're DPS, doesn't matter if you're a 437 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,960 healer. You just need to avoid the 438 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,720 mechanic and you'll win. Like that's it doesn't matter 439 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,040 what brand is, doesn't matter what you are, none of that 440 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,400 matters. So they actually, in my opinion, 441 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:53,160 they succeeded with that, that role agnostic fight and it it's, 442 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,320 it's really fun. If all of her mechanics are one 443 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,160 shot, is there like no damage coming in at all? 444 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:05,840 Does that mean that like, you should just have brand DPS ING 445 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,440 regardless of what you're doing because you'll be able to keep 446 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,000 yourself up at the healer or DPS or a tank regardless? 447 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,120 She just still does like melees between those mechanics. 448 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,160 So I guess if you have literally no way of healing your character 449 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,960 at all, which I feel like a lot of specs, a lot of specs have 450 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,200 some way of doing something for themselves, some type of self 451 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,240 sustain. Now she still does those, but I 452 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,840 just don't think they're like Zekvir could melee you in two 453 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,520 hits and you die. Taibezza is not that right now. 454 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,120 But like if you get hit by her daggers that she throws or the 455 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:47,240 clones that she summons. If you're not looking directly 456 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,760 at those or if you click on the wrong shadow copy that she makes 457 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:57,560 when she does the the ball in a cup puzzle, those things are 458 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,760 going to kill you. The melees don't seem bad at 459 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,040 all. Like I know DPS that did it week 460 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,600 1 and I think there was like a little bit of bugginess going on 461 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,360 with the very when it like first came out. 462 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,760 But as far as I've seen it's fine now. 463 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,640 You could probably still you should probably still do healer 464 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,200 brand because again, DPS doesn't matter. 465 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,840 The only the only reason DPS matters is it's just less. 466 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,240 The fight is faster, so therefore you there's less 467 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,120 chances of you screwing up the mechanic. 468 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,080 But that's that's pretty much it. 469 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,480 So I think they like they learned. 470 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,360 It feels like to me that they learned a lot going from season 471 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:46,360 1 Zekvir to season 2 underpin and now Kybezza being the the 472 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,960 the delve boss of the last season of war within them. 473 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,640 I feel like they nailed it. I love it. 474 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,960 Been looking at what they've learned. 475 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,240 What are you hoping for for the midnight delves? 476 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,600 Are you excited about the outdoor delves and riding? 477 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,800 Or do you feel that being able to mount up is going to be 478 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,120 either not impactful or too gimmicky? 479 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,360 What? What are what are your hopes and 480 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:19,000 fears for midnight? Yeah, I think it's cool that if 481 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,040 World of Warcraft isn't going to let every single mount be able 482 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,560 to ride Skyride, then having something where a ground mount 483 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,000 is actually useful is good. Because I feel like every time I 484 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,200 get a ground mount, I'm like, Oh well, all right, 'cause that 485 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,200 doesn't there. It's just so niche when I can 486 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,320 actually use it. But in those situations, I think 487 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,960 it's cool. I do think like people with like 488 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,720 if you have the Brutus or mount that you, you kind of have a leg 489 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,360 up when it comes to the delve. If you can mount up inside of it 490 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:55,920 with the auction in the mailbox, like if you need something for 491 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,360 the delve, you can go get it, which isn't that big of a deal 492 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,400 because you can just walk out of a delve and reset it like you 493 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,560 don't lose anything, right. So it's like it's not like a 494 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,360 mythic. Plus, I'm one of the things that 495 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,720 they mentioned in the midnight stuff, and this is something 496 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:16,240 that I felt should be there the whole time is it can be a really 497 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,680 good Ave. for storytelling. And if people aren't interested 498 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,320 in that story, they don't care. They don't have to do it. 499 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:29,160 Like I don't it's it's A at most a 20 minute thing, right? 500 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,040 Most elves if if you're going slowly on an 11, probably only 501 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,400 takes about 20 minutes. This they said something in 502 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,480 midnight that like they're they're having more story. 503 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,400 They'll be telling like little a little bit more story in the 504 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,240 delves. So that to me, I'm like, that's 505 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,840 super exciting. I don't think it's going to be, 506 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,640 you know, what happens to Xalatath in these, but I think 507 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,160 it'll be like cool little side stories of like, oh, this is 508 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,840 what this group of blood elves was doing during the the March 509 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,400 of called de Nos and like that. I'm excited. 510 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,800 I'm excited to see story stuff for fears. 511 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:21,200 I feel like Blizzard has poor institutional memory of There 512 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,800 are things that I feel like they have solved in the past and then 513 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,920 given enough time that problem comes back and it's like, you 514 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,680 solved this before. Why is it here again? 515 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,280 Why are we dealing with this again? 516 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,920 So I'm a little worried that they might that might happen 517 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,240 with with Delves at some point of like there being a really 518 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,160 obnoxious mechanic that people have to deal with. 519 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,160 Like Krieg balls Rest had that with the with the candle that 520 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,040 you had to place in very specific spots and you needed 521 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,640 that and you couldn't see anything without it and you 522 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,440 couldn't you'd take damage and blah, blah, blah. 523 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,120 Or the underwater mechanics that nobody liked in the Tacrathon 524 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,840 and sinkhole. I'd be worried that they would 525 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,200 bring that type of stuff back, but other than that, I don't 526 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,440 really think I have any like strong fears about delves except 527 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,440 for them going away and I don't think they will. 528 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,160 I think. I think that from my 529 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,560 understanding, I think Blizzard is pretty happy with the 530 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,560 implementation of this this third end game pillar. 531 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,480 Do you have any thoughts on like? 532 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,240 Could delves be tuned to a point where they could be more 533 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,360 rewarding with gear eventually reaching something like just no, 534 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,880 just no? Because it's not about the 535 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,120 delve, it's it's not about the difficulty of the delve, it's 536 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,520 about the fact that it can be done solo. 537 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,960 And I think, I think right now heroic being the highest it can 538 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,080 get that you can get from doing them is a great hero track year. 539 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,440 I think that's a great middle ground. 540 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,320 If you start rewarding the highest tier gear in myth track 541 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:07,240 from a solo content thing that people can do, I I think that 542 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,160 that damages that other content to my it. 543 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,920 It becomes a point of like, why should I bother? 544 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,480 Even if I find it fun? Why should I go through the 545 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:25,240 stress of organizing 20 people to mythic raid consistently and 546 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,280 deal with that roster boss and deal with morale and deal with 547 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,680 scheduling and all of this other stuff when I can simply walk 548 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,360 into a delve and get it? Even if it's really hard, it's 549 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,920 I, I can almost guarantee there's nothing gameplay wise 550 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,880 that's going to be harder than scheduling 20 people to 551 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:50,320 consistently raid together or, you know, push mythic plus 552 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,320 consistently together or like any of that stuff. 553 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,040 I feel like you just you, I don't think you can do it. 554 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,720 I think you'd have to introduce a higher tier of gear from that 555 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,480 other content and therefore defeats the purpose of 556 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,920 introducing that. You know what I mean? 557 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,240 But maybe, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not a I'm not a dev, I 558 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:16,480 just like video games. Well, if people want to hear 559 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,120 from you and your love of video games, where can they find you? 560 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:27,080 Yeah, twitch.tv/missile Dine Online is where I stream 561 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,280 Thursday through Sunday and Manny frequently joins me. 562 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,920 Yeah, we push keys on Sunday and I bother you from chat on other 563 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,600 days. Yeah, it's the best. 564 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,640 And then I also do YouTube stuff. 565 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,680 You can just look up Missile Dine on YouTube and I got a like 566 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,240 3 different channels that I need to get back to consistently. 567 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,440 Yeah. And if people want to catch that 568 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,960 interview that you did with the Delve interview, I think that's 569 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,040 on your Missile Dine Wow channel as well. 570 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,040 Yeah, Yep, Missile Dine, Wow. And you can kind of hear some of 571 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,680 their. I really like that because it it 572 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,880 shared some of the thoughts that they've had about delves as like 573 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,120 a system. And they, that's where they 574 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,640 talked about like, well, we don't really want to put story 575 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,160 into it because we don't want people to feel like they have to 576 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,320 do this, like they have to wait for this specific story scenario 577 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,800 to come up so that they can do it. 578 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,800 And I'm kind of glad to see that of what they've talked about 579 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,040 with Midnight, because they've kind of maybe rethought that a 580 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,520 little bit. And then them talking about the, 581 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,240 the fact that like the Delve team, the people very 582 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,320 specifically crafting Delves understood what Delves were, but 583 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,320 like the World of Warcraft team as a whole didn't. 584 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,920 And them mentioning that like now they're starting to get it 585 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,880 and then seeing Delves in Season 3 and like how good those are 586 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,960 and, and everything else. I, it's, it's really cool to see 587 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,680 them talk about that and like be able to connect it to what we're 588 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,880 seeing in the game as well. So yeah, big fan of that, that 589 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,480 interview. Awesome. 590 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,040 All right, well, that is going to be it for for us again, you 591 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,120 can check out Corey on his channels on YouTube, Missile 592 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,960 Dine online, including Missile Dine. 593 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,600 Wow, If you want to see that dev interview, you can also check 594 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,679 him out on the Twitch streaming, as you said, Thursdays through 595 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,320 Sundays. Once again, Corey, thank you so 596 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,520 much for coming out today. Thank you, Manny. 597 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,760 You're the best. And until next time, guys, may 598 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,920 all your hits be quits.