1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,000 Someone someone will eat my head off if I don't say it. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,920 The follow up talents, the primordial wave for us. 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,640 Either delete them because you clearly hate them or do 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,640 something to them because no one is ever going. 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,040 They're going to pass down for the Karen Tor for. 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,920 Pandaria. For calendar to. 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:26,800 The burning region for Gilneus or has not died for the Lich 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,680 King for the. Sindori for the alliance. 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,840 For the horn for Azeroth. Hello and welcome to a very 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,800 special episode of For Azeroth. I am one of the hosts and the 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,320 only host for this episode. My name is Manny, AKA the true 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,760 villain Manny and I am sitting down with two masters of the 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,040 elements. First up we have Hawk Hogan. 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,320 Hawk, introduce yourself. Yeah, hi. 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,480 Most people just usually just go by Hawk, right? 16 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,880 Yeah, I mean, for me, right, like I started playing some time 17 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:11,560 late Warlords, so still a baby to most people, but still 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,520 playing for like, what's it eight years at this point? 19 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,080 So yeah, I got pretty active in the element of Shaman or the 20 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:19,760 Shaman discord and of Shrine, right? 21 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,200 Helping people out of like questions that they had about 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,800 the guides and stuff like that. And at some point I, when I 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,520 actually wanted to get better at the game, I found Wow Analyzer 24 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,520 started working on that to actually help myself get better, 25 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,240 just find my own mistakes all the time. 26 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:40,840 And yeah, from then on I somehow got into SIM craft, into the 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,440 whole theory crafting thing, into the communities. 28 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,040 And yeah, at some point took over the Wowhead guides. 29 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,720 And yeah, that's basically it about me. 30 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,280 That is amazing. And like it's great that we have 31 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,400 you keeping the Earth Shrine going for Elemental Shaman. 32 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,320 And then on the enhancement side, we have word up, Hello, 33 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,199 word up. Introduce yourself. 34 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,039 Hello, I'm a I'm more of a fossil. 35 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:16,200 I've been around since Sunwell so and I've been playing almost 36 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,000 exclusively enhancement since then, But I I double in a lot of 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,280 classes. But yeah, I I am I picked up 38 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,040 doing guides around the start of war odds, maybe the end of Mop 39 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,280 because more is like a way to channel how if I could explain 40 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,080 to other people, then I could understand it better myself 41 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,080 basically. And then once I'd done one 42 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,800 guide, it then ballooned into no one else is doing these. 43 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,000 Can you pick up the wild head one and the IC vanes one. 44 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,200 And then since I'd started, it kept rolling. 45 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,360 And here we are now like 20 years later, still doing the 46 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,560 same thing. And then we have Earth Shrine 47 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,280 when we started that in 20/15/2016, and all the other 48 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,520 resources that have trickled down through then. 49 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,840 So SIM Craft and God knows what else that we've had our hands 50 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,520 in. I do the enhancement stuff for 51 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,600 that. So I'm that guy along with the 52 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,120 other enhancement guys. Surgeon Russo when he's still 53 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,560 playing. So for those of you who have not 54 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,880 guessed the theme, I finally did it Guys this is my stubbornly 55 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,840 Shaman episode of For Us Off. We are going to be going deep 56 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,720 into the class just because Shaman has been in a very 57 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,640 interesting place. I think we have had some of the 58 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:38,000 specs be feeling a little bit of the pain in Dragonflight and 59 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,920 though enhancement, I think has been living the dream for the 60 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,800 last little bit. And then we got into the war 61 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,600 within beta and suddenly everything seemed like it was 62 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,200 flipped on its head, but very late into the into the beta. 63 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,480 And that has created this very interesting situation where 64 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,480 we're now going into 11 point 0.5 and we've got a lot of 65 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:07,000 changes coming. So I need to sort of rewind a 66 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,720 little bit and we got to talk about like how in the world we 67 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,080 got here. So going to the elemental 68 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,720 section, what has elemental been like? 69 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,920 I mean going into dragon fight through dragon fight Hawk. 70 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,200 Yeah, I mean, the with Dragonfly came the big talent tree revamp, 71 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,440 right? So instead of just choosing like 72 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:33,280 9 out of 27, it's like 61 out of 150 at this point it feels like, 73 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,960 right? Which opened up builds, right? 74 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,880 They're a lot more synergistic now than they ever were. 75 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,280 And for us, that usually ended up with us putting all eggs in 76 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:48,480 one basket, building the most synergistic builds that we 77 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:53,840 could, which just drowned out rotations very quickly, right? 78 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:55,920 And drank Clyde. We usually talked about fire 79 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,840 builds or lightning builds, because either we just increase 80 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:03,080 the availability of lava burst and generally lava spells, 81 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,320 right? So much that we could only press 82 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,560 that one button, or functionally just ignore filler spells 83 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,360 completely. Or on the other hand, when the 84 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,680 TS set demanded, we just got rid of lava burst almost entirely 85 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,360 and only pressed lightning bolts, which was the other 86 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,480 extreme. Still in season 1 there was 87 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,200 still the best, where the tear set itself was pretty agnostic 88 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,880 and didn't really offer any of those things, right. 89 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,000 Availability of lava bursts or damage of lightning bolts. 90 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,120 So we had options there. But ever since then, it was just 91 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,440 back and forth between those two archetypes. 92 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:43,040 Yeah, with the War Within, they we worked I guess the spec 93 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,120 already trying to get rid of some of those issues, right. 94 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,040 They reduce the availabilities of lava bursts and they reduce 95 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,760 some of the compounding effects on lightning bolt that made it 96 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:00,560 as strong and also removed some of the fixed duration effects, 97 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,800 let's call it that. That just put the rotation very 98 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,160 much in a very strict position for lightning builds. 99 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,520 So they just got rid of some of the problem factors that we had. 100 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:17,280 What that meant was that doing the beta a lot of the place that 101 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:21,560 was pretty, pretty well thought out was flew afloat pretty well 102 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,600 was just a lot of fun really. And then right before it 103 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:31,120 launched, they did one or two changes that just made it so we 104 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,440 are back to only pressing lightning bolts right now. 105 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,960 So while it can be said that they fix a lot of structural 106 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:43,600 issues with the specs during the first rework, right, going into 107 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,040 the War within with just now in this position where it doesn't 108 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,040 really where the numbers are very good, but it's not 109 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,400 particularly fun to play my personal opinion, right? 110 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,800 And yeah, that's where we're currently at and that's what 111 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,320 they hopefully try to fix with the coming rework. 112 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,680 But let's see. Yeah. 113 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,800 And honestly, I think it was like 1 particular change that 114 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,880 they did right at the end of beta that kind of tipped the 115 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,640 balance for Farsi. But remind me, I believe that 116 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:23,560 with the Stormbringer build, it was very much kind of already 117 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,120 going that way earlier on in the beta. 118 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:31,200 Was that is that correct? Do you mean do you mean storming 119 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,600 or do you mean fast here? Because currently the best build 120 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,320 for 8 is fast here, right? The problematic talent there is 121 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,720 flash of yeah, flash of Lightning, which reduces the 122 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,200 cooldown of all nature talents by I think it's one second every 123 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,280 time you cast lightning bolts, right? 124 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,000 And that means that every time you cast lightning bolts, you 125 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,520 reduce, for example, the cool down of your storm elemental. 126 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,960 The storm elemental itself gives you more lightning bolts where 127 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,200 the cast time reduction so you cast more lightning bolt so you 128 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,480 get more storm elementals which means and so on right? 129 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,040 All of that was probably fine and wouldn't have drowned out 130 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,840 the spec completely, but then they what they did was probably 131 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,680 a good change and at least a flavour win. 132 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,360 They changed primordial wave, the old shadow lens covenant 133 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,000 ability to be elemental. Elemental is basically just a 134 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,600 spell school that describes lava or fire nature and 1st at the 135 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:29,280 same time, right? So when they did that, that also 136 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,200 meant that flash of lightning now affected primordial wave. 137 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:36,440 And that is basically the driving force behind Farcia, 138 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,280 right? So all of the these different 139 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,640 effects just interact with each other in a way that they just 140 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,120 compound on top of each other. And they just made it basically. 141 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:48,240 I mean, impossible is a is a is a bad word to say, right? 142 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,360 But it made fire builds definitely worse in comparison. 143 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,720 Switching it over to the enhancement side, how did 144 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:03,040 enhancement feel because it also had two separate builds and like 145 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,840 what's the the story so far for enhancement? 146 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,520 Well, the the enhancement story's a really long one, 147 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,040 right? Because Enhancement went through 148 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,560 a lot of rework sort of back-to-back to back after, 149 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,240 after what where it had, it had settled into this really 150 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,280 complicated mesh of specs at the end of WOD. 151 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:26,360 And then Legion, they super simplified it into Storm Strike, 152 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:30,640 which everyone, well, some people liked, other people not 153 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,560 so much, which I might be one of. 154 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:34,560 And then that continued to be FA. 155 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:36,600 And then in Shadow Lands, they pivoted further. 156 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,640 So when they did Dragonflight, they had this giant melting pot 157 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,840 of different ideas that they tried that they could all throw 158 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,680 into the talentry and like see what worked. 159 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,960 And it turned out when you give us access to all of these 160 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,640 different competing effects and things, you can basically build 161 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,040 2 specs out of it. And so we had two properly 162 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,120 different builds that both functioned and they had their 163 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:03,240 own play style with Storm. And frustratingly it's called 164 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,040 Elementalist, which I'd like to change in the future, but that's 165 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,680 what it's called for now because it describes what it does. 166 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,720 And these two builds like 1 pitches all of the elements that 167 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,040 we use and the other one is Storm, Strike, and lightning. 168 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,880 And then when it comes to the war within, I personally would 169 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,880 have preferred the hero talents to like pick one of these two 170 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,920 build archetypes and go all in on it. 171 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,880 But that's not what happened. Instead, the two hero talents 172 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:38,440 tried to do both, and to to a degree, one of them works in 173 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:44,720 that area of doing both. It's very, dare I say, a bit 174 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,600 degenerate gameplay because it really pulls out a lot of the 175 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:52,600 nuance of how things work and it boils it all down into A1 176 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:58,880 singular focus, which is, to me personally, the antithetical to 177 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,840 the way the spec has always operated. 178 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,040 But it is strong, so obviously that means people like it, 179 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,400 because when things are strong, that means it's good. 180 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:14,040 So design issues put on the side. 181 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,280 You then have the other hero talent, which is Totemic, which 182 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,600 I, I don't want to speak for every class, but I think that 183 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,920 enhancement sits as like maybe the one of the most 184 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,680 polarizingly. One hero talent is amazing and 185 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:32,480 the other hero talent is basically non existent. 186 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,320 Because I despite the fact that I wrote guides for both hero 187 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,320 talents as their own archetypes entirely, I have yet to have a 188 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,520 single message from anyone ever since the like expansion launch 189 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,800 about I want to play totemic. How do I do this or this Because 190 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:54,840 aside from theming and so on, it's not fun because it doesn't 191 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,720 mesh with anything. It's got this horrible clash of 192 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,720 all of these ideas, but none of it flows. 193 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:08,200 Whereas Storm Ringer, it at least tells you very simply, you 194 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,040 have lots of maelstrom. Spend the Maelstrom on this a 195 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,320 lot and that's it. Everything else doesn't matter 196 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:17,720 and it works. It's problem ultimately is like 197 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,280 when you have that much synergy on a spec that's got a lot of 198 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,200 things that already have a lot of synergy together compounding. 199 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,360 It gets so strong that you need to do emergency nerves because 200 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,080 before the raid tear released and the season launched, the 201 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:42,160 spec was I I didn't realise how not strong or the specs were. 202 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:47,480 It would have released to be so oppressively strong that despite 203 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,640 the fact that it did really well in the raid, it would have been 204 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,760 overbearing. You'd have seen like 5 or 6 of 205 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:57,760 them maybe, which goes to show how dangerous leaning too hard 206 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,880 into synergy is for them. They need to maybe pick apart 207 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,840 individual bits that they care more about. 208 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,040 And then continuing on that, we're also seeing some 209 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,160 adjustments for Stormbringer, kind of reining it in a bit, 210 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,280 kind of making the gameplay a little bit like more controlled, 211 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,520 but also a little bit weaker. Can you tell us a little bit 212 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,640 about that? So the Stormbringer changes for 213 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,760 us specifically the, I think the intended goal, from what I can 214 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,160 glean from it is that they want to slow down the rate that you 215 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,560 get Tempest because right now, like relative to elemental, we 216 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:40,680 get Tempest really fast. Like you get, maybe I, I, I 217 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:43,520 mean, I can look at logs and I'll see that you have like 6/6 218 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,760 plus Tempest a minute minimum, if not more. 219 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:51,280 And Tempest hits really hard as as even elementals. 220 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,720 It's a it's a big button, does a lot of damage, looks really 221 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,200 cool. But for us it also spawns 222 00:13:56,560 --> 00:14:01,520 wolves, which is ultimately like the core problem in why it 223 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,960 overloads into being as strong as it is, because that's 224 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,080 multiplicative. So the more that you get in a 225 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,600 condensed window, the harder everything hits, which is why if 226 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,720 you ever see like an enhancement and elemental player play 227 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,000 together who haven't played the other one before, one also 228 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,600 suddenly asked the question, why does my lightning bolt and 229 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,400 Tempest hit for 2 million while yours hits for 20 million? 230 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,960 And that'll just be it's only the effect of the amount of 231 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,400 wolves that come. So if you slow that down, that's 232 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,040 starts to get rained in a little bit. 233 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,760 And there is a lot of slow down coming between nerfing 234 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,080 supercharge and basically removing storm swell from us. 235 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:44,560 And they're instead, I think trying to reorient that value 236 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,840 into after you do a Tempest, you get a bit more follow up damage 237 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:55,040 with arc discharge reworks. And so the individual impact of 238 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,360 each Tempest is a bit higher, but they'll be a bit more spaced 239 00:14:58,360 --> 00:14:59,880 out. I think it is their hope. 240 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,480 Whether that plays out with the other talent changes is a 241 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,760 different question, but I think that's their goal. 242 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,440 You spoke about like how like an elemental will come in and be 243 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,680 looking looking at Tempest and not be as happy with it. 244 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,080 Hawk, you were just saying that like, hey, Farseer's just been 245 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,520 the one ahead. How did that balance kind of 246 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,360 work out? Like what's holding Tempest as 247 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,040 rather not Tempest but Stormbringer back for elemental? 248 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,720 Yeah, so for us, hero talents were a bit weird to begin with, 249 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,640 right? Like First things first, right? 250 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,760 Like as I said, Farseer for rating was pretty much a lock in 251 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,560 from the start ish right? It just does significantly more 252 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,560 single target damage for AOE the fastest. 253 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,840 The the ancestors themselves don't really do a lot. 254 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,840 So recommending that formific plus was always a bit of a an 255 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,560 uncomfortable decision that we made. 256 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,480 We just argued, hey, boss damage is very important, especially if 257 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,560 you're pugging, if you're playing with like on the casual 258 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,800 level quote UN quote right, that it Warren still just playing 259 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,520 fast here in most cases. The problem there became that 260 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,640 farseers are bucked in a few different ways that they just 261 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,360 like pulling stuff. They just throw chain lightnings 262 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,720 and elemental bars everywhere. So in specific keys, siege is 263 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,080 one of them. It's very, very hard to play 264 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,600 just because you have to position your pets in a way that 265 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:27,960 they don't just pull the whole dungeon. 266 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,080 And generally, as it turned out, over the season or over the 267 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,280 first few months, I guess, especially if you're playing at 268 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,280 a higher level where you're pulling bigger and pulling more 269 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,920 Mop, Storm Bringer is pretty competent just because it offers 270 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,840 a lot more AOE damage. The point that word I've made 271 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:50,400 specifically about Tempest not really doing anything for us has 272 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,280 a lot to do with Tempest not interacting with any part of our 273 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,600 kit, right? For us, it's a button you press, 274 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,480 it does damage, does AOE damage. Nice. 275 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,080 OK for them. Maostrom weapon for example 276 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,400 buffsted by more than 100% would have can probably correct me on 277 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,839 the number if he wants to. It's about 250. 278 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,520 Yeah, Oh. There about. 279 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,280 So it's, it's, it's an, it's a noticeable difference, right? 280 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,000 What they did with the Wework, the one that we get in the .5 281 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,800 patch that's coming up is that they allow it Tempest to also 282 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,359 overload from search of power and from Power of the Maelstrom. 283 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,920 That means that every time you press The Tempest, you basically 284 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,760 get 0.7 tempests for free. On top of that, if you time it 285 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,840 correctly, if you manage your mouse jump properly and that is 286 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,280 pretty competent, that just does a lot of damage. 287 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,760 And they also changed it so that the arc discharge that we get, 288 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,160 which is different to theirs, also works in single targeted 289 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,440 AOE. So they made it so Stormbringer 290 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,560 or yeah the Stormbringer tree itself works better for Mific 291 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:00,760 Plus because it does post damage as well as AOE damage and they 292 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,080 also added a lot of mechanics that interact with it, right? 293 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,400 The next change that they did is very big rework of the 294 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,560 ascendance cooldown, right? Previously you pressed the 295 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,840 button, you threw out a lava burst on every flame shock 296 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,200 target, and then you reduce the cooldown on lava burst to 0. 297 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,600 So you set there for 15 seconds or however many depending on 298 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:27,320 your talent choices and if you got any procs and just pressed 1 299 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,920 button. That was not particularly fun 300 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,600 for most people. So they decided to actually 301 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,960 rework that. What it does now is it gives you 302 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,000 one additional overload on any overloadable spell and also 303 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,640 buffs the strength of the overloads that they reduced in 304 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,080 the previous rework to 35% by 150%. 305 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,760 So it's 82.5% or whatever it is now. 306 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,120 Which basically just makes it a very strong button to press to 307 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:56,240 begin with, but also means that for something like Tempest, when 308 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,120 you get your power of the Maelstrom, when you get your 309 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,840 Supercharge, when you get your search of power, you're now 310 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,440 throwing out five tempests at the same time in numerical 311 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,200 value. And all of those do AOE and all 312 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,440 of those do a lot of damage to begin with. 313 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,920 And all of those also funnelled into your lightning rods, which 314 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,560 they're also buffed by a new talent. 315 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:22,480 It's it's a lot, right? So generally the storm ring is a 316 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,920 lot better now and it's so much better to the point where also 317 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,600 eclipses Farse here for the rate build now, right? 318 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,560 It's a lot harder to play just because of the interaction that 319 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,880 I mentioned, right? You have to sync up random procs 320 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,160 that are timer based with random procs that are resource based 321 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,000 with random procs that are RPPM based, and all of that with 322 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:49,280 different spender events. So it's not trivial by any 323 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,360 means, and it's especially drastic of a change considering 324 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:55,080 what we're currently doing with RCR, just pressing 1 button the 325 00:19:55,080 --> 00:20:00,440 whole time basically. But yeah, so it's going to be a 326 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,720 very big change. Stormbringers currently 327 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,800 eclipsing everything. They probably need to do 328 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,640 something about Fast Year to actually address that. 329 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:13,680 And yeah. I mean, with all of those like 330 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:18,200 line UPS, you're almost aligning planets there to get to get to 331 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,440 some of those, but that's got to cause some amazing threat 332 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,280 issues. I'd I'd be worried about that 333 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,240 popping off at the beginning of a a pool. 334 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,400 Yeah, I mean, there's there's currently a GIF or something 335 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,400 going around right, of some guy standing in front of four target 336 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,640 dummies and pulling 20 million AOEDPS. 337 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,800 I'm not entirely sure. Yeah, I mean, the warrior can 338 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,920 probably press commanding shout once, but after that. 339 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,400 But what are you doing right? Also, especially because they 340 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,680 change deeply rooted elements, the random ascendance proc to 341 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:53,520 happen on spenders now. So it's feasible or it's very 342 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,040 possible that even if you try to intentionally, intentionally 343 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,120 delay the button, right, intentionally delay the 344 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:01,960 cooldown, you just put down your first earthquake, you proc the 345 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,120 thing and there you go. Like everything starts flying 346 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:07,280 and every nameplate just turns red. 347 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,920 And yeah, I don't know if you just have your pocket 348 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,960 augmentation with the that reduction talent with you now. 349 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,280 It's going to be interesting. We're going to get use of our 350 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,520 reincarnation at this rate, pretty much. 351 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,880 There is. There is one thing that is true 352 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,240 for both elemental and for enhancement and that is the 353 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,680 ascendance change that you just mentioned. 354 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,160 Ascendance is being changed to go off of spenders for both 355 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,720 enhancement and and elemental and I believe that it doesn't 356 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,600 care how much maelstrom or maelstrom weapon you spend, it's 357 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,520 just that you spent it. Both of you have mentioned that 358 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,960 this could cause issues. Word up. 359 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,920 You want to just tell us like what, what's going on there? 360 00:21:54,560 --> 00:22:00,160 So it, it, it causes a lot of problems for us and there's, 361 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,840 there's quite a few like little bugs in there with the way that 362 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,880 it works because it's changed twice for us because initially 363 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,440 it was going off the hit from the spell. 364 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,320 So things like chain lightning, we're getting three to five 365 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,840 instances to potentially pocket Primordial wave is getting 2 366 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:26,000 instances in single target and set 6-7 instances in AOE and so 367 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,760 on. And that's pretty bad because 368 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,400 that means you get into a sentence a lot in AOE. 369 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,880 So they they pulled that back and it was on cast and in a way 370 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,200 that fixes that problem. It stops it working with the 371 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,600 ride the lightning, the PvP talent, which is great. 372 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,960 Well for balance is great for people who want to kill people 373 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:47,800 in PvP. It's not. 374 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,760 But when you change it to on cast, that doesn't fix the 375 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,800 problem of Primordial wave technically does cast it 7 376 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,280 times. So it still gets seven chances 377 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:04,160 to roll on deeply rooted elements and arc discharge still 378 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,480 technically casts a second cast of the same spell. 379 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,560 So that gets 2 after every Tempest. 380 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,920 And so you still are basically shirking the idea of they've 381 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:20,200 they've put a limiter on Dre to be I think it's 8 fast failures, 382 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,840 but you can't proc it again after you go into ascendance 383 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,720 with Dre. And then it's 2%, four percent, 384 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,000 6% over and over and over again until it absolutely procs. 385 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,680 So the obvious stated goal when you put 88 force failures on is 386 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,040 you do not get back into a sentence until a sentence is 387 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,600 over and that's it. Like that's a very hard line 388 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,720 that they've made clear because it lasts for 8 seconds. 389 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,720 There's virtually no universe where you're going to get 8 390 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,240 back-to-back spenders technically. 391 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,080 But when you start getting hidden extra casts from Arc 392 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,640 Discharge and Primordial Wave and so on, theoretically with a 393 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,400 lot of luck you could get back into it. 394 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,840 And so it doesn't really make a lot of sense in my head as to 395 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,840 why you try and reinvent the wheel of we'll do it on cast or 396 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,240 hit or this. So that when we had the gloves 397 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,160 in Legion, they worked fine. They went off. 398 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,080 How much Maelstrom you spent was how it calculated the proc 399 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,520 chance. We could just use that method 400 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,920 and then also remove the problem of because we've got a talent 401 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,320 called Overflowing Maelstrom, which let's suspend up to 10 402 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,960 instead of five at once. When you're going off just 403 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,240 casting the spell and you've got a talent, that could potentially 404 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,160 mean you can only ever spend 5. So you can just spend a lot of 405 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,920 lower damaged ones to keep trying to get into it. 406 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,000 Potentially you can just get to the point where you don't play 407 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,400 that anymore and you become incredibly global locked. 408 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,280 You have a lot of resource waste because you can't spend it all 409 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,200 just so you can guarantee I can spam spenders over and over and 410 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:55,000 over again. And that's, at least to me, very 411 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,120 counter intuitive with the amount of buttons that 412 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:02,120 enhancement has to begin with. And it will guaranteeably lead 413 00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:05,480 to being SAT resource capped, not able to get rid of it. 414 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,680 And if there's one thing that I've learned over the years is 415 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,800 that players cannot reckon with the idea that they're just 416 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,200 burning resources off, it's that they don't like it. 417 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,840 Whether it's numerically good or not, they don't like it. 418 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,640 And if it's even a potential problem, they have to fix that 419 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,480 or else they get a lot of angry feedback. 420 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,240 Obviously that's going. To be a completely weird 421 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,320 situation where you're going to be like, don't take this talent 422 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,600 it's a trap You actually do want to only spend spend 5 even 423 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,720 though each one is weaker. So I can understand that it also 424 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,160 like I don't like trap talent. I don't like devaluing talent. 425 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,000 So I, I, I dislike that in terms of. 426 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,640 What? What Elemental is doing with 427 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,640 this now that it's on on Spenders? 428 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,480 How's it going for you guys, Hawk? 429 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,640 Yeah, I mean. It's probably a change made for 430 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,240 us, let's be real here, right? The issue is basically that 431 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:07,600 historically we had a thing build type that started in I 432 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,360 think Sheridan Season 4 that we called Fire AOE or yeah, 433 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:17,760 Wildfire or whatever the current name of it was, where we just 434 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:23,920 started only pressing lava bursts in AOE, pressing single 435 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,040 target spells in AUE to fish for some AUE proc which doesn't 436 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,320 really do anything, and just completely ignoring your AUE 437 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,000 generator for a lot of it. It's just boring in my opinion. 438 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,520 It's not too good design. So what they did with the 439 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,280 previous rework was they changed a lot of our flame shock procs 440 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,800 to scale in a way that it doesn't matter how many targets 441 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,440 they're on, right? So for lava search for example, 442 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,240 it doesn't matter if it's on one target or if it's on 6, it will 443 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:57,880 roughly need 9 ticks. I think it is per target for it 444 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,200 to proc on average. Once Right after they changed 445 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,880 that, deeply rooted elements and AOE was basically dead because 446 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,360 we just did not get the lava search box. 447 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,080 We just did not have the lava list available to get any use 448 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:18,320 out of it, and generally having deeply rooted elements broke on 449 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,200 spenders just so it works better on AOE if you're normal. 450 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:25,400 Normally generating with chain lightning was a thing that had 451 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,200 been asked previously just so we could get rid of the whole just 452 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,960 let's just spam Lava Burst the whole time. 453 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,560 The issues that we have with it right now is firstly also the 454 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,680 thing we'll have mentioned, right? 455 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,000 SIM Craft or internally, we call it background casts, right? 456 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,640 Any casts that are not actually cast but still just happen. 457 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,440 We have one of those that's called Fusion of Elements, which 458 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,920 is just generating an elemental blast that gets thrown, which 459 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,920 also has a chance for us to proc deeply rooted elements. 460 00:27:54,920 --> 00:28:02,800 Right now, I think this improves the talent by upwards of 50%, 461 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,640 certainly right currently on the PTR doing testing. 462 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,440 And if we ignore that right, if we pretend that this bug didn't 463 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,880 exist, then we get like 1 proc of the talent in like 3 minutes 464 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:23,080 at most, which it's still the best talent to take right? 465 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,880 So we are we're going to play it anyway. 466 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,400 But if you think they're like, hey, in this fight, will I get 467 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,080 one proc or two kind of boring. It's even though Ascendance is 468 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,680 strong enough to still support their talent and take it. 469 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,920 Not the best thing to do. And also another thing what I 470 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,880 mentioned, right, like it doesn't matter how much 471 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,680 maelstrom you spend a car, so how much resources you put into 472 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,120 that. We have two different spenders. 473 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:51,120 We have one that costs 55 and one that costs 80 if I have my 474 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,560 numbers right, and that just means that the higher cost 475 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,520 spender is automatically worse just because we'd get a lot less 476 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,680 tries on trying to poke the thing, right? 477 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,120 So while I like the change itself, it's not really balanced 478 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,160 for us right now, which coincides with Ascendance itself 479 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,640 being pretty strong, right? Especially in AOE, if they 480 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,360 increase the proc trans on it significantly, then they would 481 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,120 probably get it out of hand really quickly. 482 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,320 So those two would probably need to get head in hand in hand in 483 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,960 some way. I think I. 484 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,680 I just have to be clear as well with ours, it is a really, 485 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,160 really positive thing to change it to spenders. 486 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,000 If that wasn't clear, having it on Storm Strike was. 487 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,040 I know people like Legion. Having it on Storm Strike is 488 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,720 absolutely horrendous to me. There's no there's no other word 489 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,840 that I can use for it. It is. 490 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,560 People need to get out of their head. 491 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,840 Storm Strike is not a good button. 492 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,320 It looks cool, but it is a bad button right now and it does 493 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,320 nothing in AOE. So it was incredibly bad 494 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,080 designed to have it attached to that. 495 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,800 And it was horrible to be like so global to fish over and over 496 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,840 again. The infamous earth shrine ping 497 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,080 pin of just storm strike no matter what, doesn't matter what 498 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,440 else you have is not healthy. And moving into spenders is 499 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,560 really good, but where it's currently tuned is not. 500 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,760 And the way that it's designed really needs like a second pass 501 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,360 on effectively being a little more complicated for a lot more 502 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,400 player. Return if if I may. 503 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,920 What's your take on just removing the thing all together? 504 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,680 I hate the. Talent personally, yeah, I I 505 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,880 didn't I didn't like the gloves because I don't like wear RNG at 506 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:35,600 the best of times and the gloves and the RE have always been like 507 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:40,320 this extra X Factor of Oh my God, this is so much RNG. 508 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:46,120 I, I can't even like explain to someone sometimes your, your, 509 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,160 your damage is just going to be bad and there's nothing you can 510 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,480 do about it. It's not your fault. 511 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,800 Just go next. And a talent like that is really 512 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,960 unpleasant because while I. Am a gambling addict and I'm a 513 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,480 very big fan of RNG and stuff like that. 514 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,520 It's one of the reasons that I picked the class to begin with 515 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,920 during Legion, just because of the slot machine. 516 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,760 It's not healthy in the long run in a lot of cases, right? 517 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,840 And especially if the current way that while I was 518 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,800 progressing, or at least I think both of our specs are 519 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,840 progressing, is that there are a lot of different mechanics that 520 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,920 you have to time with each other, a lot of different RNG 521 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,760 factors. Anyway, this on top of it is 522 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,240 just pointless, right? There is enough RNG anyway. 523 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,800 I I think the. The way that our spec eventually 524 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:31,680 pivoted around the tail end of Legion and BFA and it's always 525 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,840 it it ran through after they reworked it too, is that there's 526 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,400 a lot of like sliders of basically you're hedging against 527 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,560 the worst outcome whenever you pick what button you press. 528 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,480 So while theoretically it might be the best to press this button 529 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,000 right now, if you press it right now, three globals later, you've 530 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,960 now not got anything to press and all of the pay off that you 531 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,200 sort of cashed out then is coming back to bite you now. 532 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,680 So you have to sort of sometimes make the quote UN quote wrong 533 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,760 decision right now so that you have a better decision in a few 534 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,280 seconds. But when you add Dre into the 535 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,840 mix in that you basically remove that lever of being able to 536 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,400 control at least at least try and influence the the needle and 537 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,360 instead you have to just go all out. 538 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,760 I will make the worst decision over and over and over again so 539 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,520 that I can get the best outcome eventually. 540 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,600 And fingers crossed it's really good. 541 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,840 And if it's not, well, then that's a shame. 542 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:34,640 We'll try again. And I don't, I, I, I personally 543 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,280 don't like that much control being removed from me, even 544 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,480 though it can have some funny logs. 545 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:47,120 But yeah, it's it's a polarising effect and the removing reducing 546 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,360 ascendance to two minutes does a lot for me anyway, because it 547 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,880 means that technically, unless they massively overtune it, I 548 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,680 can ignore it and just play regular ascendance and have a 549 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,560 call call down. I loved the casino build back in 550 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,600 Legion for elemental. It was just like hey do I do I 551 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,320 get my money back, let's roll again. 552 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:11,560 I conversely hated Legion enhancement because it was just 553 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,280 fishing for Stormbringer procs to go back into that same 554 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,920 change, which seems very weird but here I am. 555 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:24,640 I do think that fishing is is an issue that kind of feels like 556 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,280 they constantly want us to be in there as as shaman and Farsi 557 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,840 year is now becoming like the lesser child if you will of the 558 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,560 of the hero talents. What do we need in Farsi year to 559 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,880 bring that up? Hawk, I mean. 560 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,600 What they did to begin with right now were good choices, 561 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,200 right? Like the one thing that they did 562 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,720 is I think the town's called routine communication. 563 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,840 There was an 8% chance on lava burst to proc an ancestor, 564 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,800 right? With the way that the rotation 565 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,080 is currently progressing and the way the spec is developing, they 566 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,440 just made it so it prox on basically anything. 567 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,760 I think it's on lava burst, lightning ball, ice tree, and 568 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,160 frost truck or something. So that's a good thing to begin 569 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,040 with, right? The problem is for signature 570 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,320 it's probably just balancing right? 571 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:16,520 Like just us I think. I mean, numbers right now are 572 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,480 still very much up in the air because SIM craft is not 573 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,320 entirely done, we're just working on stuff. 574 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,760 But I think it's 5% behind for a significantly easier rotation, 575 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,480 which is probably fine. Could be a bit closer, but yeah, 576 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,000 fair enough for AUE. The problem is that the fascia 577 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,920 can only cast non elemental chain lightning, if that makes 578 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,400 sense. Like chain lightning by default 579 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,360 hits three targets and elementals specifically gets a 580 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,360 passive on top of that that it hits five. 581 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,719 So the farseer only hit 3 targets with the chain lightning 582 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:56,080 and that can't overload. And I don't think the extra 583 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,360 quick modifiers are on that, but I'm not entirely sure on that 584 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,320 one. But yeah, just a lot of our spec 585 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,080 interactions, a lot of our spec effects are not on the pets 586 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,000 itself, which that's just how the game works in all of cases. 587 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,440 But that just means that anytime we actually start to go into 588 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,520 AOE, the Farsi does damage to three targets. 589 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,320 Doesn't matter if they're six, if they're 20, if they're 25, 590 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,960 whatever. I mean, I understand that 591 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,920 Blizzard very much likes target capping spells in a lot of 592 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,920 cases, right? But 3 is probably a bit low on 593 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,400 the one end. And just generally this, the 594 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,040 chain lightning on that is just too weak. 595 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,360 How they fix that in practice if they're just going to make that 596 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,160 also able to overload or hit 5 targets on and how that works 597 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,280 numerically? Good question. 598 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,040 I'm not entirely sure, but yes, something probably should be 599 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,880 done and they also need to fix the targeting on that because 600 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:55,920 that's just ridiculous it seems. Like Blizzard is very stuck on 601 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,760 target capping shaman in particular. 602 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,400 We've seen Tempest itself get rained in when initially when we 603 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,960 went live that went rightfully so. 604 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,600 Yeah. Probably in. 605 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,840 In fairness, that one, that one was kind of justified, like, 606 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,920 yeah, yeah. There there is. 607 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,560 Some nerves that that feel bad when you read them, but you can 608 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,760 kind of go, yeah, yeah, I understand why you're going to 609 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,360 do that. And that was probably one of 610 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,120 them because we and that might be enhancements fault, but it 611 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:35,080 did a lot of damage, but like. When you look at what Shaman has 612 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,160 for like actually reaching reaching those large numbers, 613 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,880 it's sort of like the soft cap on Earthquake or Sunder and 614 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:51,360 flipping it over to enhancement. I have just seen how many things 615 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:58,120 have been hard capped in Totemic, where it is now being 616 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,000 completely revamped. But the biggest AOE we had was 617 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,000 the totem and lively and lively totems, which had a hard cap of 618 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,120 five. So what's going on with Totemic 619 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,800 that's getting the biggest revamp of anything for Shaman 620 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:18,280 right now? The totemics rework is really, 621 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,920 really big. It's they basically it's not the 622 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,360 same tree anymore. Like the the I mean the biggest 623 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,200 1 immediately is like totemic rebound. 624 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:31,880 Going from storm strike to spenders is a massive, like far 625 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,360 more like wider implications than almost anything else on the 626 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,040 tree. Because it's problem is always 627 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,920 you've got to tell them that there's lava lush stuff and the 628 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,960 talent, the storm strike stuff. They don't interact like they 629 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,800 they clash immediately. So those two talents existing 630 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,960 and being strong means the tree will never work. 631 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,360 So putting on the spenders instead, That's really good. 632 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,280 Though the problem is those bolts that it shoots out hit 633 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,960 really hard and they scale with how the totem is currently 634 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,480 scaling up so it rolls over into itself. 635 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,520 That's the exact same problem as Dre. 636 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,480 It doesn't care how much miles from you spend on those bolts, 637 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,080 it'll always fire 1. So if you've got Dre that's 638 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,160 saying spend it as low as possible and you've got rebound, 639 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,560 that's saying it'll proc and it'll do it's damage, you don't 640 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,680 take overflowing. And then that means the tree is 641 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,120 already very global locked to begin with. 642 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,920 It is now even more so because you are constantly riding 10 643 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,400 maelstrom and you can't get rid of it. 644 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,200 And then the sundering incorporation in there is very 645 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,960 cool. I think sundering could maybe do 646 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,760 with a little spray paint on there to make it look a little 647 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:46,520 less like it does. But it's it's a cool it's a it's 648 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,520 a cool effect. It's really cool to press 649 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,720 lavalash and sundering shootout and you do it a lot because you 650 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:54,240 have hot hand up a lot, especially with the new 651 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:59,120 capstone. But sundering as a button, 652 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:01,800 especially for the fact that it's got to cool down as long as 653 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,400 it is the actual base spell is pretty pretty terrible. 654 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,840 It's doesn't do good damage. It's like cool thing was the 655 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,080 knockback knockdown, so extra CC in the dungeon. 656 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,560 Everyone thinks that's awesome. That's removed from basically 657 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,760 all of the extra access to sundering in the in the new 658 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,960 tree. So you're hinging the trees AOE 659 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,360 off a button that already kind of wasn't very good, was being 660 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,560 dropped by a lot of builds and was just taken as a throwaway 661 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,560 point. And then you're suppressing it 662 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,040 further with the extra procs, which rightfully you're procking 663 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,800 a lot of them, but cutting it down to 30% is a huge downgrade 664 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,720 to an already weak spell. And then you're latching on a 665 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:50,680 lot of the payoff to earth surge, which is the you press 666 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,160 you manually cast on drinks. It doesn't work from the ones 667 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:58,080 that come from the lava lashes with reactivity and the totem 668 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:03,000 then pulses really hard and the totem already hits pretty hard. 669 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,760 And then they add a new talent to thundering, which is that it 670 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:12,880 can proc to reset, which again we have a lot of RNG. 671 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:19,600 This one is the most offensive RNG on every tree because that 672 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,240 hits really, really hard. OK, so to get it out of the way 673 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,520 that that'll that'll proc for like 5 million damage if it 674 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:31,040 crits, which is a lot in AOE. And that reset is a chance of a 675 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,040 chance. So your chance to get storm 676 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,960 surge or formerly Stormbringer is baseline like 8-9 percent. 677 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,760 And the chance for the sundering reset to happen is 8 to 9% again 678 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,240 on whenever it goes off. So it's 9% of 9%. 679 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:50,600 So it's super, super rare, but when it happens, that means you 680 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,760 just propped 5 million damage for free. 681 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,720 And then you add in over surge from there, which is that when 682 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,960 you're in ascendance, the totem does 150% more damage, which 683 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,080 includes those pulses. So if you proc a sundering reset 684 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,960 as you've proc the deeply rooted elements, you now get 2 685 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,640 back-to-back sunderings that deal 10 million damage instead. 686 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:19,800 And the chance of that happening is very low, but the payoff is 687 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:25,280 ludicrously strong and you have 0 control over all of it 688 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:32,560 entirely. And then the other other really 689 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:37,840 big talent problem is Flowing Spirits, which is the whenever 690 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,640 you press a button, you might spawn a dog. 691 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:42,920 And it's based on the element of the spell that you cast. 692 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,800 So if you don't take elemental spirits, it'll be stone trike 693 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,320 and Wind fury can proc physical wolves and that's it. 694 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,280 That's your only way of getting it. 695 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:58,440 And so right now the way that that is tuned is that you it's 696 00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,520 based it's a flat percent chance. 697 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,920 I think it's 10% on any instance of any of those spells. 698 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,040 You press storm strike a lot, you prog wind fury a lot and 699 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,360 you'll spawn a lot of multiplicative dogs. 700 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,880 I think my record right now is 24 up at once, which which is 701 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,560 not helped by the set bonus where it also always spawns an 702 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,720 extra 1, so you're getting 2 instead of 1. 703 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,200 And for some reason it's not suppressed on the physical ones, 704 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,720 so they last for 15 seconds, not 8. 705 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:34,640 And 24 dogs is around about a 2900% multiplier on physical 706 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,480 damage. So now Star Trek hits really 707 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,720 hard and you guessed it, the storm, the sundering procs on 708 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:42,240 the totem hit really, really hard. 709 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:46,840 So I think that'll that crits for around a little shy of 30 710 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,840 million out of nowhere. And we're looking at logs of 711 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,960 playing through it. And when this does happen very 712 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,600 rarely, you will suddenly see the log be very low and flat 713 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,760 line and a nice like happy one, 1.2 million. 714 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,880 And then suddenly it'll spike up in the middle of nowhere to like 715 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,640 20 million. And then it'll go back down and 716 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,240 you'll never see it again. And that is horrendously RNG 717 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,440 really. But you can't plan around it, 718 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,200 that needs to be super ultra fixed before this goes live 719 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,280 because it will get the spec nerfed because it will be 720 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,560 terrifying to see in practice. I don't even know what to say I 721 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,000 wanted to jump into the PTR and just like delete something in 722 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,360 BRD yeah, that definitely that definitely needs to be nerfed. 723 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,320 I I would have to say that the 15 seconds instead of eight, it 724 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,640 just seems it's got to be a bug, right? 725 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,200 There's no way that's Oh yeah. The the I think when they've put 726 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,600 it in because they've attached it to spells that proc the 727 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,240 element. So they've gone, you know, frost 728 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,520 shock, ice strike is frost wolf and so on down the chain. 729 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,320 They've put it in for elemental spirits and they've sort of 730 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,680 forgot that the non elemental spirit ones are going to work. 731 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,560 And then they've just sort of tagged the spell on and they've 732 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,160 not flagged it to be the reduced 1. 733 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,240 And so that one's the one that's abusable because they, for 734 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:18,160 whatever reason, there's a lot of different spell IDs going on 735 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,680 and service scripts with wolves to begin with. 736 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,840 And one of them hasn't been caught up in that because I mean 737 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,880 the the other bug, you might remember Once Upon a time, if 738 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,160 you happen to have the spirit Raptors glyph, which changes 739 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,040 your dogs into Raptors. This has happened once before. 740 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:42,320 If you have that glyph, then it doesn't have the scripts because 741 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,200 it's not flagged. So the so that'll just spawn any 742 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,320 type of dog at all or any type of Raptor in this case, without 743 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,520 any careful what elements propped it because who knows, 744 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,480 but the glyph just changes it. So it's no longer a cosmetic 745 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,400 glyph. It's a performance glyph. 746 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,080 So I think there's been a lot of there. 747 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,720 It's just spaghetti in there that is all messed up. 748 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:14,480 And that talent needs, well, it needs God right now before it 749 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,600 goes live. But it is a scary one. 750 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:23,680 And the the worst part of it is that talent is one that I think 751 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,200 the spec really, really needs because you have to cast Feral 752 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,280 Spirit a lot and it's not a fun button to press. 753 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,760 It's really cool to have loads of dogs, but it's not cool to 754 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,240 press it because it doesn't do anything when you press it. 755 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,600 So if you have a way to just proc them, that feels a lot 756 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:45,120 better as an alternative. But as it is right now, it's not 757 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:50,640 in a healthy spot to sort of release to the public is my 758 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,880 concern. And Totemic's the one that 759 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,280 abuses it the most because the other stuff in Totemic, it's 760 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,040 like a big thumbs up. The capstone rework is 761 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,880 fantastic. That's so much better. 762 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,200 The improvement to the imbuement 1 is really good. 763 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:09,160 The wind fury, flame tongue interaction and sort of the the 764 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,360 broad scope of pulling it away from caring about storm strike 765 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:17,320 and Lava lash in opposition and more like spenders procs. 766 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,400 These are the things that matter for Totemic and keep the tongue 767 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,800 down. It'll never fix the problem of 768 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,520 having to babysit the tone until they fix the like how it 769 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,080 targets, but I I it's a big, big improvement. 770 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,520 It just needs a little bit of extra work. 771 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,480 So then. Without the bug, the bugs or 772 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:41,840 this like out outlier is are we going to see Ashley Totemic 773 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:47,720 being in a good spot? So if you remove the bugs and 774 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:54,320 play it as is, it is slightly better than it is on live in 775 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,600 terms of numbers. So it's it's numbers aren't good 776 00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,640 right now. They they've significantly 777 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,800 nerfed the proc rate on lively totems. 778 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:08,080 So you don't get many searing totems out and just the tuning 779 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,880 points of a lot of things, especially sundering, which is 780 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,280 supposed to carry a lot of weight for this is basically not 781 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,160 because it just doesn't do enough damage and it doesn't 782 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,880 proc wind fury despite being a main hand attack because it's a 783 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,120 proc. There's a whatever the intention 784 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,680 is, it doesn't do that and it's relying on the totem a lot. 785 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,600 So it's a lot of pick all the talents above the totem and some 786 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,600 of those talents just still don't work that well together 787 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,480 because that's the only way you sort of extract damage out of 788 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:41,040 the tree. And that could very easily fix 789 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,080 be fixed by just changing some of the numbers around to weight 790 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,400 it away from the totem and more into what you do with the totem. 791 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,680 And I think they can do that. They're sort of running out of 792 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,280 time, which puts me in a bit of an alarming position because I 793 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,560 don't super want to write about like guide updates of ignore 794 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,960 everything and just full send buff the totem and hope that you 795 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,680 proc really well. But should those numbers be 796 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,760 fixed and these horrendous bugs reined in, I'd say that like in 797 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,120 single target, you've got a pretty reasonable chance that it 798 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:23,560 will just about maybe break even with your average storm bringer 799 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,360 pass. But where it stands right now, 800 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,200 it will still just be like out. It's just much more likely that 801 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:35,200 they can fix it at some point if they care to then before, before 802 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,800 it wasn't fixable, it was sort of a lost cause. 803 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,760 So I think they've done a good job, just not all of the job 804 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,600 that they needed to do. OK. 805 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,200 I feel like the biggest fear that I have with that is that so 806 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,680 much of it is like this guardian pet damage, not what I got into 807 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,960 shaman for, but unfortunately going over to elemental, I feel 808 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,880 like so much of it is elemental damage. 809 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,160 Hawk, please tell me what does it look like for Pharcy for 810 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,920 elemental? How are they sitting and do I 811 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,320 still need to have elemental as like my core part of my damage? 812 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,600 I mean, as I said earlier, right, like Farsio currently is 813 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,880 functionally non viable and if if you're trying to be optimal 814 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,840 about it, right, like Farsio will be 5% behind the single 815 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,480 target and just completely out and AOE more or less, right? 816 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:35,840 I think, I think the damage itself that the Farsias do 817 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,800 currently on life, it's about 30% plus or something, and it 818 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,040 goes down to like 20% plus just because the way that the Farsi 819 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,000 years work right is that every time you cast a spell, they do a 820 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,960 flat amount of damage. Basically they throw a lava 821 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,000 burst that's always a quit. So that's basically constant 822 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,480 number. And with the high uptime that we 823 00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,000 have on Storm Ali, we can just get a lot of lightning bolts 824 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,920 into that window and they do a lot of damage with Storm 825 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,440 elemental. First of all, it's being changed 826 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,000 to give haste now instead of car speed reduction and 827 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,240 significantly less haze than it did car speed reduction because 828 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,120 also it affects all spells now, right? 829 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,440 It just means that we can fit a lot. 830 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,120 And also the up time is we do significantly just because we 831 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:29,960 lose flash of lightning, right? So the faster the ancestors 832 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,480 themselves, we'll just do a lot less damage overall. 833 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,120 The bigger issue here that I'm seeing with the removal of Flash 834 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,400 of Lightning specifically is defensive because currently what 835 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,280 Flash of Lightning does is it reduces every nature spell, 836 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,000 right? This doesn't mean every 837 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,080 offensive nature spell. That means every nature spell 838 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,880 including wind shear, which is the interrupt, right? 839 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,960 Which also includes Astro Shift, which is the defensive, which 840 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,560 also it just reduces everything. We have 5 or 6 second cooldown 841 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,720 on the kick. We can basically mitigate 842 00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:06,080 everything at this point. Or that's kind of what it feels 843 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,960 like. And they will remove that, 844 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,640 right? So suddenly every single 845 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,520 defensive coolant basically goes up by 100%, right? 846 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,480 It just double S again. That's at least the feeling that 847 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,880 the player base will have when they go to the next patch. 848 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:27,320 I'm not sure how drastically necessary it is to address this. 849 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,560 I know that most people that I talk to that are rating very 850 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,760 high level rates are doing queen proc and stuff think they should 851 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,680 probably still be fine. Enhancement, for example, has 852 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,960 the full cool down duration on those defensives anyway, and 853 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,160 they seem to be mostly fine, I think. 854 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,200 So it's probably a workable situation, right? 855 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,360 But just having some kind of compensation for the amount that 856 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,920 we're losing would probably be a nice gesture, right? 857 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,440 In the Wild article that came out yesterday from recording 858 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:07,280 right, I mentioned that it would be an option to reduce the 859 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,720 cooldown on the Stoneskin totem or Stone Bull Walk totem, I 860 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:15,840 think to two minutes, Which first of all just means we have 861 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,000 it more often, right? And also means that we can to 862 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,360 tamic recall it and get some more value out of that. 863 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,160 It wouldn't be a big thing. The totem itself is numerically 864 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,640 pretty bad in my opinion, so probably wouldn't break the spec 865 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,440 or anything, but would probably just be a welcome change in that 866 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,240 direction. How they are going to, I mean, 867 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,720 how they're going to compensate for the utility. 868 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:39,000 They probably just don't need to. 869 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,640 It was ridiculous, especially with how they changed interrupts 870 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,440 to work. Having actual interrupts is a 871 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,000 lot more valuable this season or this expansion that was 872 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,520 previously right. And being able to basically just 873 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:55,280 solo kick a pack if necessary, just completely uncoordinate, 874 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,360 just go in there. I just kick everything that's 875 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,560 necessary. Don't worry, was probably a bit 876 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:05,800 much anyway, right? So yeah, it's it's still a very 877 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,800 hard loss, but we will probably manage. 878 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,280 But yeah, in terms of box that we have, right, like the fusion 879 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,320 thing, that prox DIE we mentioned earlier. 880 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,400 And then we have a lot of things where the numbers just kind of 881 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:26,360 don't work in AOE because of the way that they redid the mastery 882 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,400 with the previous rework. They just shuffled some parts of 883 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,440 their internal spell data won't. But that just means that 884 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,680 earthquakes currently are doing 100 or earthquake overloads 885 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,440 currently are just doing 100% too much damage on PTR. 886 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:49,160 And I think during a sentence they are fine, but it's very 887 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,640 hard to say because there's like 3 different bugs or four 888 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,440 different bugs that are interacting with each other. 889 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,640 And I am not entirely sure if the math that I'm doing there is 890 00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,320 correct because they forgot to apply some nerves again and 891 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,680 stuff like this. It's the usual stuff that always 892 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:08,320 happens kind of. But yeah, just generally I think 893 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:12,000 if it comes purely to box, we are in a much better position 894 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,920 than the enhancement Charmans right now. 895 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,760 I'm just scared that if they want to address the actual 896 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,640 numbers issues that they currently have, because I think 897 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,640 we will eat some nerve to ascendance to AOE in some form 898 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,000 or fashion. Even after they fix the box, I 899 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,480 think it's still probably too strong. 900 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,800 But if they aren't very careful as to how they're going to 901 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,400 change it, they might just completely nerf the spec into 902 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,440 oblivion and then they will have to actually buff it again. 903 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,000 And if they make a sentence less interesting numerically, even 904 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,440 people will probably see that as a loss of enjoyment just 905 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,760 generally in how the spec plays. Because I think right now on PTR 906 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,160 and single target, it feels really, really, really good to 907 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,240 play. OK. 908 00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,200 So we are a week away from this going live, so they've got a lot 909 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,400 of work to do. If you could ask the developers 910 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:13,360 for one thing to to encapsulate what what shamans need, word up. 911 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,200 We'll start with you. What would you ask for? 912 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,920 Well. You you can't, you can't fix the 913 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,080 problems right now with one thing because it's sort of a lot 914 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,320 of little individual things that need to be sort of teased out 915 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,960 like in order of priority. Like very, very, very, very top 916 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,760 of the list is that flowing spirits need someone to like go 917 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:39,000 into the office and just spend the day and work out what makes 918 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,040 this an acceptable level in their head. 919 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,800 Likely like RPPM is probably a good idea. 920 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,600 Flat percent chance, pretty dangerous and you just have 921 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,240 different RPPMS for each element. 922 00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:52,520 That's probably healthier than right now. 923 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,680 But however they choose to address that, that needs to be 924 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,840 addressed before live, not after in post before, because that'll 925 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,720 be really bad if that goes goes live. 926 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:08,200 The sundering reset is one that I I sort of picked out one. 927 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,200 You need to buff sundering no matter like that's the the 928 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,720 bottom line. That spell needs buffing the 929 00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:16,680 reset. Personally I'd rather go with 930 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,800 ticking Cdr instead. Just take it from flame shock or 931 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,640 something. Just make it trickle in. 932 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,920 Make it more predictable than what it is because we can't have 933 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:27,440 I I. I don't know if you played in 934 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,120 shadow lands with enhancement, but if you remember firewalls 935 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,720 and hot hand, it wasn't fun to have to roll for one to get the 936 00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:39,200 other one to then go nuclear because you've already got the 937 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,880 good one. I don't need to wait for the 938 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,920 other one to make it super good. So having the two layered super 939 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:51,480 RNG pick one, ideally the ascendants proc and make the 940 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,280 other one predictable. That one is another one. 941 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,960 Ascendance. Ascendance feels awesome. 942 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,280 By the way, I didn't touch on this. 943 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,400 Two charges on storm strike is really really fun for the new 944 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,440 ascendants. Well, old ascendants, but it 945 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,480 feels new. Dre just needs to be scaled off 946 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:13,680 the amount of males from you spend. 947 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,280 Bottom line, I know that it puts it in overlap with Tempest. 948 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,520 That's OK in my opinion anyway, just let's let's go with that 949 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,200 route. Then all of the finicky bugs of 950 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:32,480 hidden casts and one of the little thing that in case it 951 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,320 goes live for the sake of literally everyone else who 952 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,720 plays with enhancement of the potential problem it may cause. 953 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,520 Imbuement mastery, the procking flame tongue, AOI off wind fury 954 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,400 make it 1 hit not 3 ticks please. 955 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,320 Because the combat log if you look at like a 5 minute combat 956 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,560 log of enhancement in AOE, you you'll usually see like around 957 00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,640 5000 combat like entry log entries. 958 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:04,920 Maybe that's that's pretty high. But like if you add that talent 959 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:09,640 in there, it suddenly goes to like 10,000 or 12,500. 960 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:15,640 And if you played in wads, you might remember that if you used 961 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,600 Ancestral Guidance and then pressed Fire Nova, the entire 962 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:23,560 raid lags immediately. And as fun as it is to have a 963 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,480 kill switch on the entire raid to be able to press it and make 964 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,840 everyone lag, no one likes playing with you when you do it 965 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,600 more than once because the joke goes away. 966 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,880 Just like no one like playing with an Holly DK on Demathrius. 967 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,000 They press over the epidemic and then you can't play. 968 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,600 Please just change that, because if Totemic is good, people still 969 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,320 won't let you play it. But yeah, the key things is 970 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:54,560 sundering flowing spirits. Dre, look at them again, I will 971 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,840 say. One thing that I I am really 972 00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,640 happy with with the flowing spirits is that you can control 973 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,840 your wolves. Just that alone makes me want it 974 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,280 more than than the roll. The wolves that we have on live 975 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,120 right now that Yeah. That is, it is really cool that 976 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,640 they thought of that in the process because it that that 977 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,080 wasn't completely like agnostic of us saying anything. 978 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,240 They went on their own with that one and it is really cool. 979 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,360 And then? I, I, I got to give you the 980 00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:22,600 list. I gave word up the list. 981 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,680 What are the priorities of things that they need to fix for 982 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,440 Elemental? Yeah, I mean a few. 983 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,520 Things overlap, right? Like DAE Maelstrom just bug 984 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:37,440 fixing generally, right? Like everything that's there for 985 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:42,680 us, like I said, I, I will, I'm expecting a change to a 986 00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,240 sentence. I'm expecting a nerve there, but 987 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,240 I just want them to be real careful about it and just keep 988 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,720 it fun, right? So just specifically nerve the 989 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,880 AOE component if that's possible, and try to keep it 990 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,800 similar or exactly the same in single target. 991 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,880 When it comes to actually actual changes, it's mostly stuff that 992 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,880 I haven't talked about yet. It's fire elemental and the new 993 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,360 talent Erupting Lava, which I don't think fire elemental 994 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,040 basically is so bad now in comparison to Storm Melly that 995 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,120 they just need to do something with it that just put anything 996 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,040 on it and it's going to be better basically. 997 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,960 And the other talent are just erupting lava. 998 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,800 I just, I I like the concept, I just don't think it works 999 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,280 entirely well. It's a thing where every time 1000 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,080 you press lava burst you eat up a bit of your flame shock. 1001 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,680 And this whole dot management thing is not something that the 1002 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,600 community generally enjoys and that is really part of the spec. 1003 01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,960 So especially with the amount of passive eating up of the dot 1004 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,760 that happens right now, you're basically just pressing the 1005 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,480 button like you're just pressing flame shock every 5 seconds. 1006 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,400 Not even to mention that it's just under tuned and it just 1007 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,720 doesn't compete. But yeah, just keep an eye on 1008 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,120 the stuff that doesn't work, that will not be picked and 1009 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,320 those few things. Ascendance die. 1010 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,080 I'm going to. I'm going to just throw out my 1011 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,920 suggestion for that. My suggestion is simply that 1012 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,120 every time it would proc, it just empowers the next couple of 1013 01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,000 ticks. Just rather than having a a like 1014 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,120 it munch away the three seconds, which I believe in your article, 1015 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,320 you showed a a case scenario where you're basically eating up 1016 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:23,680 the entirety of the the flame shocks you put out just empower 1017 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,280 the next couple of ticks. So you get some like extra 1018 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,840 damage and you want to pump it in. 1019 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,520 Yeah, sure. Oh. 1020 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,080 I, I can't, I can't go someone, someone will eat my head off if 1021 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:33,640 I don't say it. The follow up talents, the 1022 01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,880 primordial wave for us, either delete them because you clearly 1023 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,960 hate them or do something to them because no one is ever 1024 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,360 going. They're going to pass down there 1025 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:48,080 anymore because it is so it has been crippled so much by repeat 1026 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,480 nerves that you can't pat down there anymore. 1027 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,120 Either add something to it, please, so that there's a little 1028 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,680 bit of like friction or choice or delete them because they have 1029 01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,200 no place anymore. Thank you that I have to say 1030 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,640 that because someone will be at my throat otherwise I I think. 1031 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,080 Ever since Amir Dasil, they're just like, no, you can't have 1032 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,720 that much haste on demand. So hopefully they will do 1033 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,160 something like that. But again, we could keep going 1034 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,920 for for hours. There's so much to talk about 1035 01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,760 with Shaman. This is something I've really 1036 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,000 wanted to do for a long time. Sorry. 1037 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,440 Thank you guys for coming out. Where can people find you when 1038 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,280 you're not here talking about Shaman Hawk, Let's start with 1039 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:28,920 you. Yeah, I mean. 1040 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,960 I'm chronically online on Earthshine basically, so if 1041 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,880 people want to get a hold of me, just ping me or mention my name. 1042 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,880 If you say it three times, I'd probably just appear or 1043 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,680 something. And other than that, it's just 1044 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,920 stuff like Wowhead and things, right? 1045 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,040 Well, just right guides and. Word up, where can people find 1046 01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,120 you if they need to know something about enhancement? 1047 01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,440 I'm the same. You'll find me on Earth trying, 1048 01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,760 lurking more, more so than anything at the moment, because 1049 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,520 I'm playing the game and they'll be like, there's Wildhead and 1050 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,120 Icy Veins. They're always updated by me 1051 01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,960 too. They're the best places. 1052 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,880 And if anything super important happens, I'll probably tweet 1053 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,280 about it. But that's basically where you 1054 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,800 can find me. I attempt to keep to myself at 1055 01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,480 the moment when it's this busy at the expansion. 1056 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,800 Definitely I've. I've been enjoying the Game 2 1057 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,320 just pre pre show talk. I was just saying I don't know 1058 01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,360 if I should be learning PTR stuff or I should be learning 1059 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:30,360 live and every time I jump into it takes me just a couple of 1060 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,880 pools before I realize which version of the game I'm in. 1061 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,720 So there's a lot to enjoy both on live and upcoming. 1062 01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:42,240 We will definitely talk more about what those impacts are as 1063 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:47,080 11.0 point five hits. But until next time guys, may 1064 01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,520 all your hits be crits.