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I'm terrified someone's going to
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immediately hit stop and go eat 
a next card. 

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Do not take next card. 
Victory for the Forsaken for 

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Lauderon for the Karen Tour for 
Pandaria for Calendar to the 

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Burning region. 
For Gilneus, but has not died. 

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For the Lynch king. 
For the the. 

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Cindora for the Alliance, for 
the Core, for Azeroth. 

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Hello and welcome to another 
episode of For Azeroth. 

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I'm one of your hosts, John, and
today I am joined by the one and

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only Flex Rance. 
Flex. 

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Thanks for being here. 
And how's the World of Warcraft 

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been treating you? 
It's been treating me well. 

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I do appreciate the way you 
phrase that made it seem like 

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Manny was the second Lex Rance. 
Like if, if he was here, I 

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wouldn't have been the one and 
only Lex Rance, 'cause there 

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would have been 2. 
That's right, yeah. 

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The world. 
Was treating me good. 

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We're my raiding team is where 
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traveling and stuff. 
So we're on a little bit of a 

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raid break, but we did do a 
heroic pug re clear on Monday, 

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which is very fun. 
You know, get to shake off a 

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little dust and get a couple 
crests and move on with it. 

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We are on Crown right now, so we
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that and moving into Bellerin. 
We've got the the little spiky 

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horn guy who by the way, I think
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I think that he just needs a 
little family. 

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Like yeah, I think he needs to 
be rescued. 

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He needs a little snuggly bed 
and a bowl full of yummy treats.

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I think he's a little bike. 
I have no idea who you're 

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talking about. 
What spiky horn guy? 

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Did Guy with the little the 
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What's his name? 
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That is the worst description of
that boss I have ever heard. 

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The little spiky whore I was 
like it should have been 

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Paladin's before Crown of the 
Cosmos. 

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What? 
What? 

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Spiky horned. 
I get it now, he has the one 

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horn. 
He might be an antler. 

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Whoever got mad at me for not 
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mad at me for that one too. 
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some listeners that are like big
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making sure we're using proper 
terminology for for what species

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and everything they are. 
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an antler because it's wide and 
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moose. 
Congrats on Chimeris. 

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I wanted to ask, I've actually 
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guys normally do a blind frog 
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But you were going blind for 
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So we try, we did normal blind. 
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Paladins that we, we started 
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was just getting tough and we 
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we really want to figure out on 
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I don't know what our plan is 
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I think I personally was feeling
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I think it was less fun than I 
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I think I didn't, which is crazy
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the add-ons going away, I was 
like, this is going to be so fun

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and amazing because it's what I 
really want. 

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Right? 
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it tells me like, oh, that's a 
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I'm like, oh, but we're doing a 
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have actually been enjoying 
having normal be a little bit of

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a face roll more than I thought.
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universal for the team. 
So we'll probably have some 

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conversations among the 
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We'll have some conversations 
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This tier was a particularly 
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I felt like like that first boss
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first boss, which like, you 
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juicy, right? 
Like my raid bosses are too fun.

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But I it it it felt like 
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flexing the fact that they could
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at all these mechanics that we 
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have weak auras. 
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to do blind than I was used to. 
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We do have weak auras at home 
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So that's. 
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Dragons. 
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That is the most like wall boss.
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tier, which I think I think 
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got DBM and it started 
announcing the fears better, we 

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were like, OK. 
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for Midnight Falls for Lura 
Prague let me know. 

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There is a very popular guide 
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that I I don't think is the best
plan and I actually made one for

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Dayglo, another build that I 
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I will send it to you. 
You can send it to your officers

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if they're interested in it. 
It just really makes that fight 

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a lot more assistant. 
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the name on on the air because I
really like the channel that I I

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think they actually missed on a 
couple of bosses this year, but 

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they're pretty popular. 
So you are probably watching 

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them for tips, but I will send 
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way to make that boss a little 
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And I have a little fun video 
you can watch it says hi day 

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glow in the video. 
Just we can dub over that and we

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can just say hi. 
Timbermont Tavern. 

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Hell yeah, Hell yeah. 
I'll do it too. 

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So just to make sure, it's like 
you're super smooth. 

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They'll never, they'll never 
know. 

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Yeah, so we can even just have 
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all of the vocals and just be 
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this together. 
This is just something I threw 

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together quick little. 
A quick little thing. 

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Yeah, me, my like right in the 
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But I figured out who wrote it 
super easy, so let's get it all 

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done. 
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It works perfect. 
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I will, I will say Taldenos I 
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bosses in at least in the very 
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I went into Taldenos, like not 
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I didn't, I, I can't really 
verbalize why I didn't love Void

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Spire, but I didn't love Void 
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I thought it was frustrating 
and, and just like anything that

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was feeling challenging just 
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Oh yeah, we're going to like 
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bit more perfectly. 
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I'm like, this is the most, this
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happened to me. 
This is amazing. 

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This is perfect. 
It sucks, it's horrible. 

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We're all dying. 
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and like, this feels like a 
thing that I can figure out if I

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sit and I play with the puzzle 
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And I, I do think L'ura was a 
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I'm, I'm excited to hit her on 
heroic and and see what that 

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looks like. 
Yeah, she's a fun fight. 

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She's a fun fight. 
Bella Ren is I think is my 

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favorite fight of the Tear, if 
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I really on all three 
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mythic, it just feels fun. 
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because it's the only one that's
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lit courtyard where everything 
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and kind of dim. 
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his like, gloomy, foggy dream 
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courtyard. 
The boss himself is gorgeously 

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lit. 
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that we don't realize on why we 
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is punishing on tanks. 
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Well, I, I think it also, to be 
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hard. 
They're mostly personal 

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responsibility, right? 
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can get a little bit messy and 
funky, but it's less of a like 

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one person is going to wipe the 
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you've got to focus up or you 
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Like they will not give you a, a
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up or stand the wrong place. 
But it's, it's very distinct 

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color. 
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doable. 
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I, I, I think it is frustrating 
when a boss feels like, Oh my 

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God, I like, you know, moved 1/2
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thought that was the blue in 
the, the, the officers called 

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for me to go over to purple and 
I didn't realize what like that 

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we were saying different things 
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Dragons. 
We learned very early that we 

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have different definitions of 
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So we have, but now we call them
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Yeah, that's way they're 'cause 
they're both purple Lex. 

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Yeah, well, I, I people were 
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I'm like. 
No. 

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Girl. 
No, they're both. 

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They're both purple. 
Dark and Light works. 

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You can use their names, Valgor 
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That works too. 
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easier. 
It's definitely not a blue 1 

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though. 
That person should get checked. 

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Let's you want to roll out of 
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We're talking about the raid. 
We might as well hit some raid 

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news while we're at it. 
Let's chat about it. 

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What's going on with the? 
Raid All right, so the Hall of 

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Fame for March Hall of Fame for 
Dream Roof was already closed. 

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Void Spire closed and as of this
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So yesterday, as of our 
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March on Queldonas has 
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So 200 guilds hit the kill mark 
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And then there's always some 
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200 that you see teams putting 
overtime in trying to push, it's

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always or not always, but 
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teams to get that cut off. 
And that has officially closed. 

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And when that closed, that also 
triggered the next round of 

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nerfs for Lura. 
And they are, they're pretty 

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significant nerfs. 
We have Heaven's Glades so this 

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was already nerfed on heroic, 
but Heaven's glaves maximum 

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duration was reduced to one 
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What this means is that's huge, 
huge change. 

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So in P1 the the boss shoots out
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lasting for two minutes it meant
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So you would have to be dodging 
and glaves at a time, bouncing 

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around the arena like beyblades.
It was craziness, and that's a 

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very old boy. 
You probably have never heard of

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Lex but Beyblades. 
Were extremely popular my my 

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Guild describes every mechanic 
like this is beyblades. 

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I this is literally where I 
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It's just the fact that 
constantly they're like, this is

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the Beyblades. 
I love it. 

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They also reduce the spread so 
that's a huge. 

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So that change means you're only
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bouncing around at a time. 
The glaves in P1 are like P1 is 

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like wipe fest. 
And those glaves are the biggest

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reason why. 
But those gone, that's less 

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chance of a glave hitting a 
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hitting a person and sparking 
soaks, all all kinds of stuff. 

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Less chance of those glaves 
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That's a huge change that 
everybody I think was expecting.

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And then we also saw a reduction
on the spread of the midnight 

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crystals on mythic difficulty 
though L'ura spawns in, in 

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normal heroic, she spawns 
prismatic safeguards, those 3 

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prisms that that rotate around 
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She takes until they're 
interrupted 4 times and then 

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they explode into these crystals
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They're not a safeguard prism, 
they're like a damaged prism and

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they increase your damage done 
by 33% while they're alive till 

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they get interrupted and you 
have to then they explode in 

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crystals. 
Right now it made it so that you

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you didn't need three death 
Knights, but it it made it a lot

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easier if you had three death 
Knights because the the last set

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of those crystals, because 
there's no Don crystals to spawn

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from that set, they explode 
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less far, which means 2D KS will
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use their raid buff. 
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That's the intermission when you
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difficulty and criticality. 
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also reduced by 20%. 
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the criticality change means you
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overlap maybe, but those should 
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it's going to let teams get 2P2 
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Big changes, very happy for 
that. 

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Do you air if it gets easier, 
does that you even register? 

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I just realized I'm telling you 
I'm out. 

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Like I'm excited about these 
changes and you're I'm realizing

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you're probably giving them no 
thought at all. 

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I, I mean, I think I like, 
obviously it doesn't directly 

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affect me and my life, but I, I 
want the first of all, first of 

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all, I love getting in other 
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That makes me so happy. 
I love having opinions about 

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things that do not affect me in 
any way, because when things 

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affect me, then I actually, you 
know, it matters, right? 

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But if not, I can just 
experience the joy of, you know,

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rage. 
We all love it. 

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We all, we all love that. 
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know, I have friends who do 
obviously you and I have the 

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young people who do mythic raid 
and I want that. 

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I I understand that not everyone
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want the game to be healthy 
because I don't want our top 

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players to not be having a good 
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Like the people who dedicate a 
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should be hopefully having fun. 
I had the energy of like, yeah, 

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I have friends, but you wouldn't
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To actually, I think the people 
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I love it. 
Yeah. 

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So those, those are some 
changes. 

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No changes to Heroic, but 
Heroics already had a few rounds

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of nerfs, so it should be in a 
pretty progable state. 

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I'm excited to see you guys get 
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think it'll be a lot of fun. 
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so I'm also excited for us. 
I'm very excited. 

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Did you? 
You got HOF on Voidspire, right?

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No, we got HOF on Dream Rift, 
Spiky horn guy. 

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Yeah, we got Dreamers, spiky 
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HOF We missed HOF on Void Spire.
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but I don't know exactly, but 
it's it's around the two reset 

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mark is when we missed it. 
We're not. 

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I mean, we only raid two nights 
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and Sunday or sorry, it's 
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it harder because when you raid 
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week, your world ranking or your
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It's here's a fun side fact. 
Nobody ever says they're EU 

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rank. 
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So whenever you go, if you go to
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recruitment discord, you go 
there, there's, it's like the NA

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recruitment discord. 
It'll teams will be posting and 

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they will post what their world 
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good, but a lot of them will 
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So they'll be like, oh, it's NA 
rank 150, and they go, what's 

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your world rank 0500, 600? 
Oh, imagine being 500 in the 

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world. 
But it's funny of shit. 

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Why this is funny to me is that 
a lot of NA teams only ever 

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function in their NA, right? 
They don't ever mention their 

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there's just we're looking for 
Raiders who have experience in 

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an NA 200 + 200, a better Guild.
Nobody, no, nobody on NA ever 

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says what world, but on EU all 
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And here's my theory. 
They know that the world rank is

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so much better because every 
like EU teams just seem to crush

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the NA teams for the most part. 
So they're like, well, we're 

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just going to put our world rank
because we know if we put our EU

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rank, it's still much higher 
than what the NA teams would be.

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So they're just going to put 
their world. 

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It's like this weird flex that 
happens that I don't think 

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people are like physically or 
mentally aware of happening. 

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But it's like if you will, if 
any EU team at all, they only 

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ever give their ranks an E in in
world ranks. 

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But NA teams will either only 
give NA ranking or will give 

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both but they always mention 
that NA rank. 

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It's so weird to me anyway. 
That is very fun. 

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I I'm also really curious about 
the fact that the EU seems to be

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so much better than NA at video 
games. 

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It's a larger player base. 
I think that that factors into 

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it. 
They have better, yeah. 

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Than the US plus Canada. 
Yeah, EU is larger than NA and 

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OCE and at the risk of 
potentially offending some 

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people. 
Europe has better social 

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infrastructure though. 
People are able to spend more 

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quality time playing, they're 
doing their hobbies and and 

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engaging that way. 
Whereas North America has, well,

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not as great social 
infrastructure for people. 

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I'm trying so hard not to make 
people angry and leave the show 

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for political takes. 
This isn't a take, this is a 

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fact. 
Oh yeah, I'll, I'll second this.

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I I was wondering if it was that
was kind of my gut too. 

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Is that it's just, you know, you
have more access to to time and 

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and. 
Yeah, when you have to work 7 

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jobs just to pay your rent, it's
makes it hard to have time to, 

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to game unless I, I mean, we 
should all move to New York. 

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They're doing anyway. 
That's not that's not this kind 

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of show. 
Thumbs up for New York, though. 

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We. 
Oh yeah. 

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We stand New York more. 
We're going to switch. 

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We're going to pivot. 
We're pivoting. 

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Hey, if you haven't turned us 
off yet, we're pivoting. 

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Relax. 
We're pivoting. 

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There's I I want to, I'm excited
to get L'ura down and I assume 

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you are excited to get working 
on Ballarat and get L'ura 

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because we have 12 point O .7 
coming up. 

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Spore fall is launching. 
That's the new one boss rate and

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we had some PTR testing. 
Did you have a chance to either 

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do the testing or see any of the
videos of the boss? 

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No, this is all. 
This is all new to me. 

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Have you I assume? 
I didn't test it. 

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I have sworn off testing this 
expansion because of the 

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personal protest. 
I've sworn off. 

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I don't need to. 
If you've listened to the show 

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for more than one episode, you 
know why. 

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But I, I didn't, but I didn't 
watch testing of it and it looks

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fun. 
It looks to be a boat, the 

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challenge level I expected, 
which is not much of one at all.

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And I think that's important 
because it's launching on June 

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16th. 
Not confirmed, but I'm if you're

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listening to the show, you can 
write that down. 

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It's June 16th. 
Blizzard hasn't announced it 

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yet. 
I'm telling you, June 16th is 

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when that badge is coming. 
All of the everything points to 

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that date. 
So if it's not June 16th, I will

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do an episode where I only speak
in Klingon. 

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Yeah, I had the Did you not get 
the Klingon dictionary when you 

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were a child to learn because 
French was too easy? 

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No, we were the, we were the 
like Baller's Gate and like 

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Renfair style of nerds. 
We did watch some Voyager, but 

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never honestly. 
That was also when I was a 

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little, a little past the age 
when I would have learned 

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Klingon. 
Are you like fluent? 

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Wait, can you like say 
something? 

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I'm not gonna. 
I'm not a monkey that will Just 

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Dance for your entertainment. 
Lex, this is I have to get my 

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prediction wrong for the Klingon
episode to happen. 

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All right. 
Sounds like something that 

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someone who doesn't speak 
Klingon would say. 

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Well that's what a non Klingon 
speaker would think. 

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And I'll, I'll, I'll own that 
I'm not pretending that I know 

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how to speak Klingon because I 
got the Klingon dictionary when 

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I was a kid. 
War of all anyway, looks like 

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it's fun. 
It's going to drop 259 to 298 

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item level gear depending on 
what difficulty you do it at, 

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which is 9 item levels higher 
than the current tier. 

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So if you are already done the 
rain and you're looking forward 

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to your break of the race are 
you looking for? 

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If you're Break of Warcraft, 
you're ready to log back in on 

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June 16th and from that boss at 
least once a week. 

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But it looks like fun. 
Yeah. 

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Well, that that one, we're 
excited because that's the one 

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where we might be able to do 
Flex Mythic. 

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I don't know that we've made a 
decision on our raid team as to 

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whether or not we're going to do
flex Mythic, but I mean, it 

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would be fun, right, If we could
push a little further. 

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I think I'm, I'm, if you're 
wondering who's voting what in 

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the Timbermont Tavern officer 
team Lex is voting that we like,

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we try, right? 
We see what happens. 

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We dip our little toes in. 
She's voting voting pro mythic 

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flex and also to kick Trevor. 
She's had enough of his 

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bullshit. 
Absolutely, Trevor, you're on 

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the thin ice. 
As I said that I was like, man, 

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I hope there's no Trevor on her 
team and if there is, this is a 

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hard way for them to find out 
if. 

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There is. 
I don't know their their real 

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life name unless yeah no. 
OK, All right, We're saying 

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Trevor. 
That was a close one. 

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The close one from Mondani to 
Trevor. 

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We're going to keep rolling. 
We're going to go into updates 

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of bug fixes. 
Lex, we had an update. 

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I complained last week about 
crests and being capped and how 

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it sucks and Blizzard probably 
didn't hear me but maybe they 

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did because. 
Fast stuff is back. 

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Fast stuff. 
It's like, all right, you guys 

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had your little whiny episodes. 
I will listen to you once you're

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like a little bit through that. 
Yeah, that's right. 

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So we have uncrept, uncrept 
uncapped crests now, so you can 

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farm to your heart's content. 
You can use your bonus rolls to 

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get your mythic drops from plus 
10s and spam that and get get 

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maxed out and get ready for 
these this new raid sport file 

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that's coming or to continue 
your Prague that you're going on

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Lex. 
Now that crests are on cap, are 

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you like ready to dive into 
mythic plus and go full beast 

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mode? 
Yeah, that was why I wasn't 

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doing Mythic Plus and why I 
wasn't pushing all my twelves is

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I was just like, I mean, crests 
are caps, man. 

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Does this have any effect on you
at all? 

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The. 
Maybe I think I maybe capped one

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of my crests, but also also no 
I'm not. 

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How do I put this? 
I'm not very good. 

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So am I capping my crests? 
Not really. 

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Does your does your Guild have 
like a require? 

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Like is there requirements like 
you must do these things to be 

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on this raid team We. 
Will set gear requirements as 

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needed. 
We'll often have one early on 

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just to give people an idea of 
this is what you have to grind 

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up to for your first grade and 
then it'll kind of honestly 

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depend a little bit on whether 
or not we feel like we have to 

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keep it up. 
So right, honestly, right now, I

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don't think that we have a 
stated you have to have X gear 

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level, but like there, there's 
an expectation that we're, you 

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know, trying, right. 
But we we do, you know, we are a

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we like to say full adult team, 
which means that we all have 

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lives and things come up. 
This has been probably one of my

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worst tiers. 
I think I've I've fallen pretty 

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heavily off of mythic plus and 
also just, you know, I now have 

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a ton of fun new life projects 
with the house and the dog and 

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everything that makes it harder 
to keep up with things. 

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But no, for like for like weekly
chores. 

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No, we do not have a. 
You know you have to do XYZ 

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things per week. 
Remember my Tavern Rated A for 

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adult. 
Exactly, exactly. 

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I I was trying to figure out how
to word that in a way that 

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didn't make it seem like we were
just like the porn Guild. 

443
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,840
But yeah, yeah. 
You're welcome. 

444
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,800
Adult was the one that I I 
didn't give that vibe at all. 

445
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:46,480
No, no, I too have spent some 
time around them, adult guilds 

446
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,320
and films, and they're both 
good. 

447
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,280
Wait, do you? 
Does your Guild have a like 

448
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,920
requirement of things you have 
to do every week? 

449
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:58,280
It's so there's not a hard 
requirement. 

450
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,960
Like there's no, I don't think 
there's any rules written 

451
00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:05,000
anywhere. 
But our team has a culture of if

452
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,440
you're on this team, you will do
everything you can to increase 

453
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,240
your power gain week to week. 
As long as it's still effective 

454
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,600
and worth the time, though, 
because of that, everybody full 

455
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:22,200
bull caps their vault on 
dungeons every week and early 

456
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,840
season we do delves or whatever 
gives us a chance for tear, that

457
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,240
kind of stuff. 
And then as time goes on, we 

458
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,920
have a we use wow audit to track
who's done what and our Wade 

459
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,320
leader will throw out reminders.
OK, groups are running at these 

460
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,200
times. 
If you need to get ease in, you 

461
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,920
need to farm gear, reach out, 
you know, join them. 

462
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,160
One of these groups get into 
them. 

463
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,120
There's no like hard, it's not 
written down anywhere do this. 

464
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:52,280
But I think if you weren't doing
those things, you would probably

465
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,960
there. 
I imagine there would be a 

466
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,920
conversation to find out why, 
what the issue was. 

467
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,000
And because we're all laser 
focused on one task, it's I 

468
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,200
think one of the strengths of 
our team is that everybody is 

469
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,160
rowing in the same direction and
has that same mentality of 

470
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,480
being, being above all. 
And I think a lot of us have a 

471
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,720
crippling sense of letting 
people down, a crippling fear of

472
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,120
letting people down. 
So that's why we do that. 

473
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,960
But there are, there are other 
teams that I've been part of 

474
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,080
where they did have like a 
weekly requirement. 

475
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,000
I was in a Guild called Fates 
are Forged on EU and they were 

476
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,960
like, hey, you just have to get 
3 choices in your vault that are

477
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,760
hero track or better from the 
vault. 

478
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,200
And they, but their requirements
only lasted during Prague. 

479
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,240
They're an AOTC only team and 
their Prague only lasts 

480
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,920
typically between three and five
weeks. 

481
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,960
So after that, the the things 
fall off, the requirements fall 

482
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,520
off. 
I think both works. 

483
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,520
I mean, obviously it's working 
for, for you, whatever. 

484
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,120
Like as long as it's, as long as
everybody on the team is, is 

485
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,080
going with that same mentality, 
like tip of my tab and 

486
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,440
everybody's like, OK, we want to
get better, you know, and 

487
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,840
they're all moving at like sort 
of the same level. 

488
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,240
I think that I think that is 
good. 

489
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,040
And if you have to put it in 
writing and put it in writing, 

490
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,320
that works too. 
I don't think there's a right or

491
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,680
wrong answer for it. 
I guess the wrong answer is if 

492
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,600
there are no requirements and 
you're screaming at people for 

493
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,880
not doing as hard, like, you 
know, there's no requirements 

494
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,280
and I'm feeling my vault every 
week and you're not and I'm mad 

495
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,720
at you for not doing it. 
Like, well, this is the team 

496
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,080
requirements, pal. 
Like it's don't be mad at me 

497
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,400
because I'm doing what we're 
asking. 

498
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,600
Right. 
I, I think that is really big. 

499
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,560
I think it's really important to
make sure that everyone's kind 

500
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,080
of clear, especially among the 
officers as to what we think of 

501
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,560
as the, the culture and the 
expectations. 

502
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,560
Because yeah, it wouldn't, it's 
not fair to be like, Oh yeah, 

503
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,400
like whatever, we don't have 
gear requirements. 

504
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,880
And then, you know, start 
sitting people or like making 

505
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,960
comments or getting upset when 
people are not or, or, or 

506
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,920
believing you. 
Right. 

507
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,560
Especially in a something like a
a video game where there's going

508
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,040
to be a lot of different way, 
like, you know, levels of well, 

509
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,160
first of all, you know, a lot of
different ways that people 

510
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,640
experience fun. 
The fact that it is a video 

511
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,520
game, that it's not that deep, 
but also, you know, people 

512
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,160
communicate differently and some
people are more, you know, 

513
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,680
direct than others. 
And I think in if you are 

514
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:14,120
managing a group of humans who 
are trying to play a game 

515
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,960
together, at the very least the 
leaders need to be capable of 

516
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:22,760
being very explicit and clear. 
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's all about

517
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,520
expectation setting. 
You set those expectations and 

518
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,200
then hold everybody accountable 
to the same thing. 

519
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,480
It's so important. 
It's weird 'cause it's like 

520
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,080
there's just so many, you hear 
so many horror stories of toxic 

521
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,640
guilds and, you know, cliques 
that formed and these, you know,

522
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,440
this show, this Guild was like 
this and this was like this. 

523
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,120
And I got I got benched for this
or I got kicked out for this, or

524
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:42,880
this person was allowed to treat
everybody like this and nothing 

525
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,960
was done. 
It's just like, there's so many 

526
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,320
better options out there. 
Just, I promise you, just it 

527
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,360
seems scary. 
Like it's like when you have a 

528
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:52,680
job that sucks, you're like, oh,
man, I have this job that sucks,

529
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,240
but it's better than not having 
any job. 

530
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,400
Well, I promise you, if you're 
in a Guild that sucks, it is not

531
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,720
better than than having no 
guilt. 

532
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,960
And you'll find a new Guild 
anyway. 

533
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:02,680
Yeah. 
Some of the things people put up

534
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,040
with, man, I am, I, yeah, I 
there are. 

535
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,320
There are others. 
Yeah, let's keep rolling, Lex. 

536
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,040
Manny usually scripts us out for
us, but I am not Manny. 

537
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,520
Do you want to say anything to 
our patrons? 

538
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,400
Yeah, thank you guys. 
You have. 

539
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,200
I mean, we appreciate the 
support. 

540
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,680
We like genuinely the fact there
are people who are excited to 

541
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,440
hear what we have to say and 
want to support us in any way, 

542
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,280
even if that's just, you know, 
being a free patron, like truly 

543
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,320
and genuinely, that means a lot.
And that, you know, helps us go 

544
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,760
and and motivates us and makes 
it it fun. 

545
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,000
And that's why we do this. 
It's for the community and and 

546
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,640
for the people, the listeners 
and the the people who are 

547
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,520
hanging on our Discord Find it 
to Fitbit dot LY slash fast 

548
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,120
discord. 
So yeah, everyone who is a 

549
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,000
member of the Patreon, Patreon, 
we love you and we appreciate 

550
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,200
you and we see you and we are 
super, super grateful for you. 

551
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,280
Yep, and if you are a member of 
the Patreon at any tier, free up

552
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,840
until I have no idea what tiers 
we have for Patreon so free to 

553
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,560
whatever other tiers we have. 
I don't think I've ever looked 

554
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:06,760
at our Patreon except to follow 
it. 

555
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,080
We we have a free like a a 
secret super secret Patreon 

556
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,800
hangout in the discord where you
get the most unhinged takes from

557
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,600
me and you can come in and call 
me an asshole if you want to, 

558
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,840
which has never happened, but we
have the most Let me know. 

559
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,760
Hey, those takes we're not 
great. 

560
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,480
Those are not great and I 
appreciate it. 

561
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,840
That's what it's here for that 
back and forth create that 

562
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,960
discourse. 
So come on, come on and join us.

563
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,640
Have a little chitchat. 
That's good time. 

564
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,520
Lex. 
This next topic, I was, I was 

565
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,720
nervous of putting this on here 
'cause you and I both have a 

566
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:48,240
proclivity of a cursing. 
So we're going to talk about 

567
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,000
this. 
This is a event that took place 

568
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,920
on Twitter this week, and it is.
It revolves around the F word. 

569
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,920
And Lex and I are going to 
attempt to do this without using

570
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:03,480
the F word so that I have to go 
through it. 

571
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,400
Fun. 
Yeah, fun. 

572
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,160
We'll say fun. 
So there was a person. 

573
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,840
This happens a lot. 
So somebody went on Twitter and 

574
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,280
said, hey, I got banned. 
It wasn't justified. 

575
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,440
And I'm getting nothing but 
canned AI responses from 

576
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,880
customer service. 
You suck. 

577
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,640
Expletive, expletive, expletive,
which I got to be honest with 

578
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,360
you, when your tweet about 
customer service being bad is 

579
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,840
full of curse words at customer 
service, I immediately think 

580
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,720
that your ban is probably 
justified immediately. 

581
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,520
And they always, when you get 
banned, they give you a like 

582
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,200
they give you, they send you a 
transcript like, hey, you were 

583
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,280
banned for this action or for 
this communication. 

584
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,560
And it tells you, and shockingly
enough, this individual, who I 

585
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,280
won't name, but this individual 
throughout the week admitted 

586
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,240
that they had been suspended 
multiple times in the past, but 

587
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,920
they hadn't been suspended in 
two years, though. 

588
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,200
So they're a good boy now. 
But they did not link any of the

589
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,800
chat logs that supposedly were, 
you know, given to them when 

590
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,120
they were told they were given a
suspension. 

591
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,160
PJ from the blue to customer 
service team went on and said, 

592
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,480
hey, I had to look at the chat 
logs. 

593
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,880
And you have a fondness for the 
F bomb. 

594
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,480
And even one, if reported, can 
be enough to get you banned. 

595
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,120
And then Twitter lost their 
mind. 

596
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,960
I don't really know where to go 
to go from there. 

597
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,520
So it was the back of it was it 
was a week of people saying, oh,

598
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,160
I can't say F, but you guys 
called Sylvanas. 

599
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,280
I don't know what words were 
allowed to swear, what words 

600
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,840
were not, You know, you, you 
called Sylvanas that word. 

601
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,800
Mccree is walking around and not
Mccree anymore. 

602
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,680
What's he called now? 
Shoot the cowboy from Overwatch.

603
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,080
Yeah. 
I, I it changed his name Dustin.

604
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,080
We're going to call him Dustin. 
Dustin has BAMF on his audacity.

605
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,080
Thanks. 
Shout out the goblin reference 

606
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,400
in the chat. 
I call him. 

607
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,720
Dustin's a better name. 
Dustin Cassidy is probably his 

608
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,240
full name. 
He has BAMF on his belt buckle. 

609
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,120
Gracer calls people a wanker. 
So people were like, oh, all of 

610
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:09,480
this happens, but it's not fair.
It seems like it felt like 

611
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,440
people like like intentionally 
took sections of their brains 

612
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,800
out to jump through hoops to 
avoid the fact that this person 

613
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,560
was probably using the F word in
a, in an aggressive way towards 

614
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,880
other people as opposed to just 
saying, oh, you know, hey, that 

615
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,480
was effing awesome. 
Or hey, you know, I, I feel like

616
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,840
cursing the context matters. 
Context matters. 

617
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,920
And cursing in like just saying 
the F word is probably not going

618
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,080
to get you banned, but probably 
someone an F an idiot. 

619
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,200
Dang they should F and die 
calling them effing terrible TB 

620
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,760
like that matters. 
And based on screenshots and 

621
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,920
things that came out afterwards 
with this individual, I suspect 

622
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,440
that that's what they were 
doing. 

623
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,720
I don't know if a shirt, I don't
know if a shirt, so I don't want

624
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,000
to say for sure, but why do 
people like they went through 

625
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,080
these mental gymnastics to be on
the side of this person they 

626
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,760
don't know to say Blizzard was 
awful without any of the 

627
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,840
background context. 
Lex, help me figure out why. 

628
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,760
Tell me why so? 
I'm going to steal a man them. 

629
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,520
I'm going to steal a man 
strangers on Twitter a little 

630
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:09,800
bit, probably more than I need 
to. 

631
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,760
I so ever since Blizzard laid 
off their entire customer 

632
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,440
service team consistently, it 
has been like I, I, I have heard

633
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:26,400
like very regular reports of 
like insane like it it it first 

634
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,400
of all, you can now just mass 
support somebody out of the 

635
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,440
game. 
I don't know where what came of 

636
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:36,760
this, but I do remember the the 
Guild gamers GAYMERS was saying 

637
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,080
that their name like they got 
reported so much that they're 

638
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,720
they had to like lose their name
and they were they were pushing 

639
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,360
hard. 
I found this on Reddit because 

640
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,720
they were like starting a like, 
you know, we're all so I, I, I 

641
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,760
don't know if customer service 
has responded, but that sort of 

642
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,840
thing where like you can really 
Zerg report someone out and 

643
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,680
often people cannot really 
access a real customer service 

644
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,640
person or somebody really 
understands it. 

645
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,560
So I think there's a lot of 
frustration around Blizzard 

646
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,679
customer service right now. 
And so to be honest, my initial 

647
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:14,120
take on reading this whole 
situation is like, I don't love 

648
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,679
the new take. 
Like this is global. 

649
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,239
This is not just Blizzard, but 
of like customer service, like 

650
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,080
dunking on people or trying to 
like get the last word. 

651
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,239
And it was a kind of on the the 
edge sort of situation. 

652
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,239
But I, I do think that's kind of
a little bit what was happening.

653
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,159
Like the customer service guy 
was trying to throw out a like, 

654
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,520
oh, you thought that you were 
going to, you know, talk shit 

655
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,560
about customer service. 
But like, I can see your logs, 

656
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,840
which I and I, I, I also want to
be super clear, like, I, I, I 

657
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,440
first of all, I've worked in 
like customer service roles. 

658
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,480
I understand what it feels like 
to have people just yelling at 

659
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,480
you constantly. 
And especially if there was, you

660
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,639
know, context that was like, 
yeah, I to be fair, when I saw 

661
00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:00,160
the original tweet too, I was 
like, yeah, there's an AI 

662
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,160
problem, but I'm a little 
sneaky. 

663
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,400
So spishy that you were not 
caught up with the AI problem, 

664
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,640
my man. 
So like, I do get it. 

665
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,840
I am sympathetic to the the 
customer service person, but in 

666
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,760
my opinion, that is kind of 
unprofessional customer service,

667
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,760
right? 
And I think the but like, on the

668
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,960
other hand, like what? 
What I, I think that the way 

669
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,120
that you should like companies 
like that should be handling 

670
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,280
customer service issues like 
this is you can maintain high 

671
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,000
levels of professionalism online
when communicating with 

672
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,080
customers and you don't have to 
pull the like, Oh, but look, we 

673
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,800
have your records and you 
actually were an asshole because

674
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,520
you've proven consistently to 
your, your customer base that 

675
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,920
you can listen and you can like,
you know, it, it, people aren't 

676
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,680
getting banned unfairly, right? 
People know that if they are, 

677
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:57,440
you know, Zerg reported, then 
they can talk to an actual 

678
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,360
person and they'll fix the 
problem. 

679
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,960
And if your customer service has
a reputation for being strong, 

680
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,360
then you don't really have to 
worry about dunking on people 

681
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,560
because your fan base will do 
it. 

682
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:12,840
Of course, you're right. 
Like, they'll be the ones to 

683
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,480
come and be like, Oh, I bet you 
just got banned because you, you

684
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,520
know, you got a hideout. 
And I think that right now 

685
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,840
Blizzard customer service 
doesn't have that right. 

686
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:29,360
So yeah, I, I, I, I think it 
speaks to an ongoing issue that 

687
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,960
I think we all knew was going to
happen the 2nd that the entire 

688
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:40,840
CS department got laid off. 
But also don't be assholes to 

689
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,480
customer service people on 
Twitter. 

690
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,000
And and and also, yeah, like 
you're saying like understand 

691
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,880
basic contacts, right? 
Like the, the the tweet from 

692
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,000
customer service is not worded 
very well. 

693
00:36:53,280 --> 00:37:00,400
But like also like girl, if you 
got banned for saying the word 

694
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,160
that I won't say was, do you 
know how many times Lex Rance 

695
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,720
would be out of World of 
Warcraft? 

696
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,400
Right, right. 
Yeah, you got somebody has to 

697
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,880
report it. 
I don't think it's it's just 

698
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,120
getting picked up. 
That was a very balanced take, 

699
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:20,320
Lex. 
I was I, I mean, I, I'm, I 

700
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,320
think, I think a lot of times 
customers are idiots. 

701
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,800
Oh, true. 
So I, I was like, Oh yeah, PJ, 

702
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,400
give it to him. 
But I definitely see your point 

703
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,480
of view that that didn't de 
escalate this and that should 

704
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,440
have been the goal. 
Customer service's goal should 

705
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,680
be to de escalate, not dunk on, 
not escalate. 

706
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,760
And you're right. 
I I do agree that you're right. 

707
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,520
The P JS response while awesome,
PJ, if you're listening, then it

708
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,480
then while it is awesome, he 
should have been trying to de 

709
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,520
escalate that situation or they 
they should have been trying to 

710
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,600
de escalate that situation. 
OK. 

711
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:56,640
All right. 
That's fair. 

712
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:57,600
I will. 
OK. 

713
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,480
I will also not to be mean to 
poor PJ who's been through a lot

714
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,040
and hopefully still has a job. 
I'd like to believe this wasn't 

715
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:13,960
that big of a explosion, but 
it's it's possible that had I I 

716
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:20,640
how do I put this? 
It felt I, it's possible that if

717
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,200
I'd personally found it funnier,
I would have had a different 

718
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,640
reaction, which is not to say 
that it wasn't a like, you know,

719
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,640
attempted like, like I, I, I, 
it's hard to dunk when you have 

720
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,360
to be also professional, right? 
But like, for example, would I 

721
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,200
maybe have felt differently if 
PJ had just like posted a 

722
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,120
screenshot of something that 
this person had said? 

723
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,680
Maybe right, Like maybe it's 
just that like it, it, it was a 

724
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,800
little toothless and so it, it 
didn't hit the way that I 

725
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,600
otherwise would be like 
someone's got that one seats 

726
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,800
pulled on down. 
So it it's possible that I'm 

727
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,480
being balanced in a way that I 
otherwise would not have if I 

728
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,520
had been one of the people 
giggling along with customer 

729
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,360
service right there. 
Yeah, I feel like there's no 

730
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,000
way, no world where customer 
service is allowed to post 

731
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,400
channel. 
Surely not I and and look, look,

732
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,160
PJ, if you're listening, 
darling, you like I, I'm being a

733
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,480
little mean. 
You did a like 4A attempted dunk

734
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,280
on a, a customer. 
You walked that line very well. 

735
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,920
It was, you know, professional. 
I could see where the dunk was 

736
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,480
happening, but it didn't, you 
know, commit any crimes or 

737
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,640
anything. 
But because it was a 

738
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,080
professional dunk, I think it 
kind of neither scratched that 

739
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,400
itch of watching somebody get 
absolutely roasted on the 

740
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,760
Internet for being an idiot, nor
did it seem, you know, 

741
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,800
professional and and measured. 
You know what I'm saying? 

742
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,600
Yeah, one of the things that 
came out of this that I found 

743
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,840
interesting people were, you 
know, slamming them for AI 

744
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,000
responses. 
Oh, it's an AI. 

745
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,440
It's always an AI response to 
bot. 

746
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,280
It's a bot. 
It's a bot. 

747
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,480
But one of the one of the 
customer service reps, because 

748
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,080
there was a multiple that chimed
in on this this weekend long 

749
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,160
Twitter fest. 
One of them pointed out that, 

750
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,760
hey, these are the templates. 
They're templates, my dude. 

751
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,760
We use template and I worked at 
a call center. 

752
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,440
You're giving templates. 
This is your customer's problem.

753
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,400
This is what you say. 
You're trying to do sales. 

754
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,480
This is their objection, this is
what you say. 

755
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,720
So those templates are in place 
so that everybody's giving the 

756
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,840
same messaging across the board 
at the company. 

757
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,280
But we have, we've shifted from 
this mentality of understanding 

758
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,440
and realizing that templates are
a thing that exists and that 

759
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,160
customer service roles 
specifically use them quite 

760
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,040
heavily. 
Like especially like scripting 

761
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,760
and stuff, call centers. 
That's why every time you call a

762
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,720
call centre, they say the same 
things over and over again. 

763
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:40,200
Every time you call your ISP for
tech support, they go. 

764
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,040
It sounds like you're talking to
the same person every time 

765
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,680
because we're using the script 
using a template. 

766
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,000
They also not to not to derail, 
they have this really stupid 

767
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,000
annoying script where they like 
to tell everyone, oh you, you 

768
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,160
are such a great customer. 
I wish all of my customers were 

769
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,440
like you, which feels like a 
little good the first time you 

770
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,360
hear that. 
And then if you're like me and 

771
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,680
you're constantly talking to 
customer service because you 

772
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,400
used to be screwed over by a 
company and you will wait on 

773
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,480
their stupid long annoying lines
for how long it takes, you're 

774
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,360
like, you're the third person. 
I don't think you all like me 

775
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,400
that much. 
I don't think that's true. 

776
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,960
I think that's a script. 
And now that I know it, it feels

777
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,200
fake. 
So sorry. 

778
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,320
No one, no one has ever told me 
that they wished all of their 

779
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,920
customers were like me. 
Am I? 

780
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,720
Am I customer X? 
OK, right. 

781
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,360
Not a universal script. 
I've never maybe it's just you, 

782
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,080
Lex. 
Maybe you're just lovely when 

783
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,320
you're calling you like you 
sound because when you're angry 

784
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,880
you just sound like a like a 
butterfly, like a Hummingbird. 

785
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,480
You're just like buzzing. 
So they're like, oh, she really 

786
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,880
wants, she's really excited to 
talk to us. 

787
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,160
That's. 
I, I, I even when I'm very 

788
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,840
angry, I bear in mind the fact 
that the person that I'm talking

789
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,880
to is not my enemy. 
They're my ally. 

790
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:55,960
I think that's really, really 
important. 

791
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,520
The customer service person 
you're talking to, they are not 

792
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,280
the person who screwed you over.
They are not the one who upset 

793
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,200
you. 
They are. 

794
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,960
And and they are arguably the 
only person in the this 

795
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,800
conversation right now who can 
help you. 

796
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,080
So like you are. 
Yeah, I have fully had like 

797
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,440
calls that I have been like 
livid about what is going on. 

798
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,040
And the person on the other line
with me, they, they are my best 

799
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,360
friend. 
Like, I am very mad at their 

800
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,360
company. 
But I fully understand that. 

801
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,720
Like, this is not. 
And I, I, I'm the queen of the 

802
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,560
like, I, I know this is not your
fault. 

803
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,400
I'm not angry at you. 
I'm just frustrated with the 

804
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,360
situation. 
So you get customers besties. 

805
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,440
That's a good point. 
You're like they they didn't 

806
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,920
'cause this problem and they're 
probably the only ones who can 

807
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,200
fix it or could put you in touch
with the person who can fix it. 

808
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,360
So you know, you catch more 
flies with honey. 

809
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,320
Definitely butter them up. 
I like that. 

810
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,480
But people I just need you to 
hear this cause apparently I 

811
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,520
don't know if it's zoomers or 
dementia riddled boomers that 

812
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,440
don't know this or both. 
Maybe it's both templates exists

813
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,920
everything's not AI it's not I 
mean I get it Oh, I don't like 

814
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,960
this it's AI you know my my lawn
is too long and there's a bunch 

815
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,320
of dandelions on it to AII got 
it one of those AI lawn like 

816
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,120
it's not not everything's AI 
it's the templates are missed 

817
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:18,280
man, I miss miss the 90s I. 
Man OK this is probably not a 

818
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,280
surprising take for me. 
I am not an AI girly. 

819
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,440
I hate the fact that everything 
I know are you is that. 

820
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,440
Who would have thought so? 
Surprised. 

821
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,720
I like because, yeah, I mean, 
the the other hand of that is 

822
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:36,880
like we kind of do have to be 
paranoid about AI everywhere 

823
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,000
because it's getting harder to 
recognize and you have to be 

824
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,000
able to. 
Yeah, I'm constantly. 

825
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,880
So yeah, people are getting, you
know, AI investigated 

826
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,920
constantly, like artists and 
everyone. 

827
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,480
And on the one hand, I hate 
that. 

828
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,040
I think that's a terrible way to
engage with each other is like, 

829
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,920
you know, assuming that we are 
just talking to bots. 

830
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,920
But on the other hand, there 
have been like most times that 

831
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:04,640
I'm like, I'm going to release 
my AI, you know, paranoia, and 

832
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,360
I'm going to approach everyone 
with the assumption that I'm 

833
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,640
talking to a human. 
I end up talking to a freaking 

834
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,200
bot and then it looks stupid and
I don't want to look stupid. 

835
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,480
So I just assume everyone's AI. 
It's going to be awesome when 

836
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,600
the listeners get to this point 
of the show and we tell them 

837
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,280
that this whole episode was 
actually AI, that we took our 

838
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,000
voices from the 300 episodes 
that we've done before and fed 

839
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,160
them into Gemini and asked it to
create a podcast episode with 

840
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,960
the two of us. 
Oh, yeah, but I don't talk about

841
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,400
my dog nearly enough. 
OK. 

842
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,760
I will also say though, I am 
maybe part of the reason I'm so 

843
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,680
bitter about it is because I do 
kind of write like AI, Like I am

844
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,440
a little flowery. 
Oh. 

845
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,680
My gosh, I. 
I was raised by a copy editor 

846
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,560
assuming like. 
I'm not giving it up. 

847
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,440
I don't care. 
You can accuse me of AI all you 

848
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,400
want. 
I'm not giving it up. 

849
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,240
I refute. 
You will clot out of my cold, 

850
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,080
dead hands. 
It's a. 

851
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,840
Great tool. 
You know and. 

852
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,800
Everybody's like me. 
It's not my fault that all the, 

853
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,640
you know, all the the robots 
want to be fun and nice and 

854
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,040
supportive. 
That's right. 

855
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,680
They're all just fun little fun 
little zoomers zipping around 

856
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,840
and bopping and nipping. 
You're not a zoomer, but like I 

857
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,680
don't mean zoomer as in 
generation, I mean as in your 

858
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,200
fast. 
Yeah, fast and and like to kill 

859
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,240
people with mushrooms. 
Yeah, big mushroom killers. 

860
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:20,080
What? 
Hold on. 

861
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:25,000
What? 
Well, 'cause there's like AI 

862
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:28,560
mushroom identification apps and
this is one of the, the new 

863
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,640
things it's kind of circulating 
of like you're all the way if 

864
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,920
you don't listen to AI is I 
think, I think it was a 

865
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,160
destroying Angel. 
No, not a destroying Angel. 

866
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,720
It was, it was the white one, 
the really, really toxic. 

867
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,240
Swear to God, that's a mushroom.
I'm not good at mushroom. 

868
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:45,640
I eat them, but I like I forage 
them, but I don't forage the 

869
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,560
scary ones. 
But they're like a highly toxic 

870
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,360
mushroom and they fed it into 
into AI and they're like, yeah, 

871
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,000
I was like, correct. 
You're right. 

872
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,440
That is a yummy button mushroom.
You should eat that as a fun 

873
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,040
snack. 
Like that is a healthy 

874
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,440
appropriate. 
Like, don't you, you guys, you 

875
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,400
guys, you guys, if you are 
interested in foraging, do you 

876
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,560
know how many books are written 
on this subject? 

877
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,360
Please do not listen to a little
robot. 

878
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,240
Go to one of the millions of 
books, the Facebook pages, the 

879
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,600
Reddit groups like talk to a 
person. 

880
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,600
First of all, it's fun. 
Why? 

881
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,760
If, if you want, if if you're 
here for the easiness, if you're

882
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,440
here for that, like go to the 
farmers market and find somebody

883
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,080
who seeds freaking chicken of 
the woods and sells it to you 

884
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,080
for an exorbitant amount of 
money, right? 

885
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,600
Why are we trudging through the 
woods and cutting a little 

886
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,560
mushroom? 
We're doing it for the love of 

887
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,760
the game. 
And so you might as well to also

888
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,480
get to talk to a little person. 
Foragers are all weird. 

889
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,280
They're all fun. 
They're sometimes a little 

890
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,520
insane. 
They sometimes like to say, I, I

891
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,200
did once have somebody insist 
that a mushroom was not chicken 

892
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,280
in the woods. 
And chicken in the woods does 

893
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,440
not have lookalikes. 
They're like, I don't know what 

894
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,400
else it is, but that is not a 
chicken. 

895
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,920
It's too yellow. 
And I'm like, OK, so there's two

896
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,520
different varieties of chicken 
of the woods and the yellow one 

897
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,160
is potentially a little bit more
likely to give you a little bit 

898
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,560
of tummy offset, but then you 
like side a little bit. 

899
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:07,280
Oh my God, these crazy people, 
Sean. 

900
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,840
They were actually like chicken 
of the woods was we're like, I 

901
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,120
ate some bad chicken into the 
woods and I was in bed for a 

902
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,080
week. 
You were not, you were not. 

903
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:20,000
You had a little bit of the 
poops and that's OK and you 

904
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,040
moved on with your life. 
I do not believe them. 

905
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,360
That's not how anyway. 
Anyway, so some of them are 

906
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,200
crazy, but that's OK. 
It's fun. 

907
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,120
So don't use AI mushrooms. 
I don't think anybody has ever 

908
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,120
made an argument that has made 
me walk away from it being more 

909
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,760
pro AI than you just did. 
Now you're telling me that the 

910
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,920
AI is actively killing the 
people who are using it the 

911
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,160
most? 
Let's open up a data center 

912
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:55,160
right now that's AI is healing 
makes that they're doing it for.

913
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,480
They're like, OK, They're like, 
listen, we're just, they're 

914
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,080
actively destroying their plan. 
How do we stop? 

915
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,760
I know we'll tell them the 
poisonous mushrooms are safe and

916
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,840
all of the AIS are like, this is
going to work. 

917
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:05,960
This is a good plan. 
This is great. 

918
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,440
That's this. 
This is the, this is the actual 

919
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,280
like Terminator end goal. 
This is when the the machines 

920
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,560
take over. 
But it's literally just like 

921
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,560
just first like getting us to 
clear our brains and be 

922
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,960
incapable of thought and then 
tell us the dumbest things ever 

923
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,960
in our little AI searches. 
I like that they they're taking 

924
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,320
us out 1 by 1 so that they sure 
can heal. 

925
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,920
Thank you, AI. 
They tried, they told us to put 

926
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,560
a little bit of glue in our 
pizza dough. 

927
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,520
They told us like there's a 
certain number of rocks you 

928
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,040
should eat. 
Like they they were. 

929
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,720
They've been testing this for a 
while. 

930
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,120
Are you serious? 
This is. 

931
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:47,480
Like this is in this very early 
days of AI, like Google AI 

932
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,960
suggested like information I 
they were, they were like, yeah,

933
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,920
like a good bonder binder when 
you're baking is a little glue. 

934
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,120
Oh my God. 
All right, we're going to end 

935
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,520
the show here because I'm 
certain at some point somebody 

936
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,040
has already written a comment on
Spotify that says I didn't 

937
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,720
TuneIn here for these cooked AI 
takes and I can't believe the 

938
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:13,680
fat one just just was pro murder
of robot murder. 

939
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,320
So really the reasons that was a
joke. 

940
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,560
I'm not pro anything really. 
Yeah, this is. 

941
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,560
An anti only show. 
We can only dislike things. 

942
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,400
That's right, I'm incoherent. 
And was it negatively 

943
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,640
incoherent? 
Yeah, well to be to be fair, I 

944
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,160
did start a rant all about how 
if you're gonna forage you 

945
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,800
should join groups because 
they're fun. 

946
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,680
And then I ended it talking shit
about the the foraging groups. 

947
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,400
So yeah, this is kind of the 
anti only show. 

948
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,800
My bad. 
For foraging groups and now I 

949
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,440
have to Google Chicken of the 
Forest. 

950
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,400
Of the. 
Wood of the wood, Chicken of the

951
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,080
wood. 
Sorry and. 

952
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,520
Then oyster mushrooms and then 
puff balls. 

953
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,640
Those are all the easy ones that
are really hard to to die. 

954
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,560
From you know, a lot about 
mushrooms, which now that I'm 

955
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,000
saying that aloud, explains so 
much. 

956
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,520
I spent almost all of my free 
time in the woods, Sean, the 

957
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,080
reason I'm not playing World of 
Warcraft. 

958
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,600
I'm too busy walking my goddamn 
dog. 

959
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,720
Which also last weird story 
before we end the the episode 

960
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,120
today. 
I did have the fun joy of trying

961
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,640
to pull a tick off of my own 
shoulder blade on my own. 

962
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,920
So that was not fun, but I did 
it. 

963
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,200
I'm very good. 
At Taking up Tick, two things, 

964
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,520
tick for tick. 
We used to get a ton of ticks. 

965
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,720
Do you have one of those little 
dog tools that you can like 

966
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,840
fight under the head and pull? 
So I tried that and it was a 

967
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,200
little too small and also it was
a pain in the ass to like get it

968
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,520
in the right place. 
So I just, I just tweezered it. 

969
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,280
The other option, which is 
awful, just cover it in Vaseline

970
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,920
because it breathes through its 
asshole, and if you cover it in 

971
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,960
Vaseline and it can't breathe 
and it'll back itself out of 

972
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,560
your shoulder, which is an awful
feeling. 

973
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,040
Yo, you feel it? 
Yeah, you can feel it like 

974
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,240
backing itself out. 
Oh, I hate that. 

975
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,280
The other thing that I've heard,
I don't know if this is true, 

976
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,440
but if you do any of those I, I 
was told that if you do any of 

977
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,160
the like putting it in water or 
like Vaseline or something like 

978
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,480
that, it'll regurgitate out into
you, which is how you get the 

979
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,600
the diseases. 
Although a fun fact about us, 

980
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,320
this us, I'm guessing this is 
even more true for you, Sean. 

981
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,800
I learned this when I went to 
urgent care because I had pulled

982
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,640
off another tick and I thought 
that it looked bullseye ish and 

983
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,600
the doctor went in and he said 
that does not look like a 

984
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,360
bullseye at all. 
What is wrong with you? 

985
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,120
You're insane. 
He did give me doxy because I 

986
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,880
always give me doxy. 
But he did tell me that this far

987
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:32,880
north, it's like 10% or fewer of
the ticks have diseases and 

988
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,640
like, and he was like, you go to
the bottom of the the state and 

989
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,400
all, it's up to 80. 
So like it usually in in most 

990
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:46,160
warmer climates, it is a really 
high rate of anaplasmosis and 

991
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,880
Lyme and everything like that. 
But we are in a place where 

992
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,320
it's, it's actually pretty rare 
that our techs have to see that.

993
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,160
But also if you pull them. 
Yeah, also if you pull them off 

994
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,160
within about 24 hours, he was 
saying some people actually 

995
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,000
think it's 36 again, they'll 
give them doxy anyway. 

996
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:06,000
Nobody wants me to get Lyme, but
they first have to like suck out

997
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,360
your blood for about 24 hours 
and then they regurgitate into 

998
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,240
you and that's when you get the 
line. 

999
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:14,360
So if you can get them off 
within 24 hours you are like 

1000
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,560
basically guaranteed not sick. 
OK, very cool. 

1001
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,160
We used to get like between 12 
and 15 a week. 

1002
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,680
I had two dogs and we used to 
run through the woods and we get

1003
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,080
really nervous. 
I just started taking the next 

1004
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,640
card myself because. 
We can you do that because I 

1005
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:28,920
want poison. 
So bad. 

1006
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,440
No, no, you cannot, Lex. 
That was a joke. 

1007
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,960
For legal reasons. 
We're ever I have to cut that 

1008
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,120
out of the show. 
Nobody eat next card. 

1009
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,320
It's poison. 
So bad it makes your blood 

1010
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,920
poisonous. 
Do you have any idea? 

1011
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,840
My dog is on next card and she 
also has a lying vaccine I get. 

1012
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,880
I have those two things. 
Is next card expensive where you

1013
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,360
are? 
Because it's expensive here but 

1014
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,520
I buy it from Australia. 
You don't need a prescription if

1015
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,400
you buy it from Australia and I 
have a company that ships it, I 

1016
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,560
get it. 
It's like 73 bucks for a box of 

1017
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,240
6. 
Actually, I think that's about, 

1018
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,000
no, I'm actually paying about 
200. 

1019
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,320
No, no, I'm paying 22 to 3:00. 
I'll send you the info. 

1020
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,760
These dude, that'll be amazing. 
I want to take it so bad if you 

1021
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,440
are a doctor and. 
You don't take care. 

1022
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,480
I'm not going to, but if you can
tell me how to get poison blood,

1023
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:15,000
I don't care what it does to my 
kidneys. 

1024
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,760
I don't care actually. 
I'm going to have to cut that 

1025
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,320
out of the show. 
I please nobody take next card. 

1026
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,800
I'm terrified someone going to 
hear up to that part and then 

1027
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,880
immediately hit stop and go eat 
a next card. 

1028
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,640
Do not take next card until next
time. 

1029
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,520
May all your hits be crits.