1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,040 You're, you're essentially going to have to relearn how to play 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:07,400 this game because you have however many years you've been 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,880 playing using a custom UI that you set up yourself that is 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,040 visually designed for you and your brain to process the 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,040 information in the best way possible for you. 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,800 And now Blizzard is saying, here's one of three different 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,160 raid frame options you have, figure out which one is closest 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,800 to being best for you and that's what you'll use. 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,720 Now we may get add-ons that adjust raid frames down the 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,520 road, but we don't have those today. 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,320 And and the goal isn't for players to have to install an 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,480 add on to be able to play the game. 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,720 Victory for the Forsaken. For Lauderon. 14 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:45,840 For the Karen tour. For. 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:51,760 Pandaria. For Calendar to the burning 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:01:00,880 region for Gilnaeus, but has not died for the Lich King for the. 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:07,760 Sindori for the alliance for. The Horde for Azeroth. 18 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,280 Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth. 19 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,200 I am of course one of your hosts, the Truvilla Manny or 20 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:22,040 just Manny and I am joined coming from we were gonna say 21 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:27,120 this time the heart of Texas, it is Lex Rance. 22 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,120 How y'all doing? We're we're doing great. 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,400 I was thinking Texas. I was gonna make a like, oh, 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:34,800 like literally popped into my head. 25 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,400 Then you said heart of Texas. So we're we're connected. 26 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:41,720 I'm doing great. Manny, I started a remix 27 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,560 character today because my Guild is doing things tomorrow and I 28 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,440 wanna see if I can get high enough that they can carry me 29 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,200 through. So yeah, we'll see how it goes. 30 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,040 It is more fun than I thought it was going to be. 31 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,440 I'm going to be. Honest that's I am glad that now 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,800 all three of us have tried it and the two people who were like 33 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:07,680 least about it have found that it is more enjoyable Sean is 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,880 joining us again as well how is World of Warcraft doing for you 35 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,600 are you playing remix or what's happening for you I. 36 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,160 Actually fell out of love with remix pretty hard. 37 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,960 There's a lot of changes in the way gearing works from Mop Remix 38 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,760 to Legion Remix. I will never Pooh Pooh Blizzard 39 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,000 for trying something new and they tried something new, so 40 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,560 thank you for trying something new. 41 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:39,480 I much prefer the gearing in Mop remix to Legion remix, but I am 42 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,520 almost done so it doesn't really matter. 43 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,840 I almost have everything bought that I want. 44 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,840 I'll probably go through and do the class fall amounts for ones 45 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,280 that I'm missing just because it's so much faster to do them 46 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,120 in remix than it is to do them on live, but other than that the 47 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,360 games were treated me fine. OK, how, how did they change the 48 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,240 gearing in in remix? Like what's what's worse about 49 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,880 in your mind? So in Mop Remix, you would get a 50 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,000 piece of equipment and you would spend bronze to upgrade that 51 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,640 equipment. I think it was 16 tracks it had 52 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:10,400 to upgrade to Max, I want to say. 53 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,440 And so you could just upgrade whatever pieces you wanted in 54 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,640 whatever order you wanted using bronze. 55 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,600 The big complaint that came from that from a lot of people was 56 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:27,600 that it felt bad to them that the that the currency used to 57 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,040 upgrade the gear was the same currency that you used to 58 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,160 purchase the things. So people, that was the big 59 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,800 feedback that people gave for Mop. 60 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,360 Now if you had just taken the time to Max out your gear with 61 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,680 bronze, it became infinitely faster to farm more bronze. 62 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,520 Like if if no upgraded gear meant you could farm all of the 63 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:54,040 bronze in a week, making these numbers up, upgrading your gear 64 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,040 to Max, and then going to farm the bronze, you would have it 65 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,520 done in a day and a half. Like that was that much faster. 66 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,720 But people saw that it was the same currency and so they 67 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,360 immediately thought, I can't take from this to upgrade my 68 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,160 gear because I can't. I want that bronze to buy things 69 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,000 so they didn't invest in themselves to get stronger to 70 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,760 them from the bronze faster and better. 71 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,920 Sounds like people don't like meaningful choice. 72 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,360 Yeah, definitely. Yeah. 73 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:20,399 I mean, it wasn't a meaningful choice. 74 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:21,680 The choice. There was no choice at all. 75 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,640 Upgrade your gear from the bronze faster, save, save the 76 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:29,240 bronze, save the world. But it in in Legion Remix, they 77 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,200 changed it. So they said, hey, we hear you. 78 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,080 We know you don't like that, so we're going to change the way 79 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,520 this works. You now do not upgrade your 80 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,920 gear. You get a random drop off of 81 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,600 bosses or out of the treasure chests from things that you 82 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,760 kill. And that random drop will go up 83 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,680 in item level slowly based on your in bag item level for each 84 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,560 item that drops. But you can't target specific 85 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,360 pieces. So your item level, your in bag 86 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,440 item level is going to be limited by whatever your lowest 87 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,360 item level pieces. And in a lot of cases you could 88 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,640 go multiple days without getting an upgrade to that lowest item 89 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,360 level piece. So the gearing is significantly 90 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,560 slower. There's no cost associated with 91 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:14,680 it. The bronze is just for 92 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,880 purchasing cosmetics and mounts and toys. 93 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:24,120 So it's you're purely at the the whim of RNG and it takes a lot 94 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,880 longer to Max out. And the downside is especially 95 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,920 now into phase 3 is that if you're not, if you're somebody 96 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,640 who's not already 740 item level, you're going to have a 97 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,600 significantly harder time getting into the other raids 98 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,760 like Aunt Taurus and Tuma Sargaris, because people are at 99 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,880 the point where those are harder than than the phase one raids. 100 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,240 So people are just inviting people that are 740. 101 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:51,520 You know, you open up the queue and it, it, it's 60% people that 102 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,920 are 740. Well, if I have the option to 103 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,520 take somebody who's already Max level gear and then therefore 104 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,640 gaining versatility on top of that, which is the real power, 105 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:04,720 I'm going to take that person as opposed to this person who's 537 106 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,120 or even 739. Because if you're 739, your 107 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,880 versatility is still lower than somebody who's 7:40. 108 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,960 So it's, it's not great. It's not great and it's the the 109 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,520 RNG is not good. I think if they were to do 110 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,320 another remix, they should meet it in the middle and have the 111 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,320 gear be upgradable again, but maybe drop a separate currency 112 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,680 for upgrading or just go right back to Mop. 113 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,680 I I loved the bronze way, but I know a lot of people didn't. 114 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,680 So I'm trying to like, I don't normally try to find out what 115 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,640 people want to do or try to think like other people. 116 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:41,280 I really like just thinking and speaking for myself. 117 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,440 But I think 1/3 or a second currency where where you can 118 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,040 upgrade specific pieces would feel a bit better. 119 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,760 And then on top of that in Mop remix, there's two major things 120 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,400 in Mop remix. Your artifact power, So your 121 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,560 cloak power carried over to alts. 122 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,040 So whatever power level you were at on your main, your alts are 123 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,520 at that same power level. That's completely gone in Legion 124 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,080 remix. So if you make an alt, you reset 125 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,280 back to 0 power on your artifact, but you keep your 126 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,840 infinite knowledge, which is the modifier that determines how 127 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,040 quickly you gain knowledge. So you will gain power faster 128 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,160 than you did on your main, but you go back to zero and your 129 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,360 gear goes back to what it was. So your gear is going up slower 130 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,680 and you're already resetting your like, I don't know anybody 131 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,080 who's playing alts and enjoying it or even really even playing 132 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,960 alts because it's it's, it's a very alt unfriendly experience. 133 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,640 Whereas Mop remix was super friendly for alts because you 134 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,120 started out with all of that power carrying over. 135 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,800 So a couple of misses in my opinion, but yeah. 136 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,080 I know I have some friends who have like multiple alts already 137 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,840 through it. I am not one of them. 138 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,520 My character, I've played all of two days through the two 139 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,600 sessions, through the entirety of a Legion remix or Lee Limix, 140 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,440 as we're calling it. But now we're at Argus, so this 141 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,120 is one of the final chapters. This is all the content. 142 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,480 It's now released. So as of November 18th in NA, 143 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,920 November 19th in EU, we are now at Argus Eternal. 144 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,320 So that includes all of the stuff with Argus that was opened 145 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,840 up at the end of Tomb of Sargaris, the seat of the 146 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,280 Triumphant, and the on Taurus, the Burning Throne raid. 147 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,559 I saw a couple of people who were trying to solo it to get 148 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,720 their friendship burbs and it is possible. 149 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,799 And so people are happy about that and I'm glad that people 150 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:41,480 are doing that. The next update, of course is 151 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,320 again in two weeks. So November rather December 9th, 152 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,520 the catch up opportunities will open up. 153 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,040 Maybe that's when I'll be able to get actually to level cap. 154 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,880 There will be Remix content updates and more rewards as 155 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,040 well. So maybe that will be when more 156 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,920 people TuneIn, when it is a little bit faster, maybe they 157 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,920 unlock things that make those alts better. 158 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,480 But at this point, if you're enjoying Remix, you've got more 159 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,680 content and I hope that's good for everybody. 160 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,680 With that said, let's get into stuff that I guess more of us 161 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:21,720 are playing, which includes stuff on the beta because today 162 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,360 was the first day of raid testing. 163 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,240 There has been a new build that came up and that included a 164 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:34,680 number of great things, including a level 90 realm that 165 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:36,960 is specifically to test the end game. 166 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,600 That is Zalitaf's end game. You will have the profession 167 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,640 vendors and trainers, the class set vendors. 168 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,880 So you can check out your class sets, PvP gear vendors, trinket 169 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,800 vendors, and all of that. But the environment is locked 170 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,880 for the Max level template only. You're not able to copy over 171 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,800 your character and boost that to 90. 172 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,160 You're not able to go and access the midnight outdoor content 173 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,320 because it is specifically for instance, content. 174 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,840 With that said, we got to play through some of these raids, 175 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,880 some Mythic Plus, and we'll be talking about that, But we got a 176 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,320 number of changes. Something that we talked about 177 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:25,200 last week that we're seeing in this this week's build is that 178 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:30,080 melee ultimate, sorry, the melee auto attack damage being pumped 179 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,880 up on particular classes. So you're seeing death nights of 180 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:40,240 all varieties getting their melee increased, shamans and and 181 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:41,680 so forth. Well, enhancement shaman 182 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:46,640 particularly and so forth. These are huge jumps in damage. 183 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,320 You're seeing in some cases quadruple auto attack damage or 184 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,640 triple auto attack damage for tanks. 185 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:59,560 I've seen like 150 on some. So you're seeing a lot of that 186 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:06,720 white damage being improved. I guess it helps for uptime and 187 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:13,520 with less abilities. I guess it what do you, what do 188 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,720 you think about this? Because I'm, I'm sort of 189 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,000 scratching my head on it. I don't think that white damage 190 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,640 should actually be an important part of the damage other than to 191 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,920 like get procs that you need and generate resources. 192 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:34,840 But John, what do you think? Well, you removed a lot of 193 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,560 abilities that dealt damage and a lot of modifiers to simplify 194 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:40,040 it. So it's not so complex. 195 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,880 And maybe you want to bring that damage back to a certain level. 196 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,160 So the best way to do that is to increase white damage. 197 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,760 I don't, I don't, I'm not sure what the reasoning is. 198 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,480 I think that in the post they were like, we feel like melee 199 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,480 attacks, melee cat melee specs should have a significant 200 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,640 portion of melee damage or white damage be be part of their 201 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,680 damage breakdown. We're not doing this for 202 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:01,640 casters, right? It's not like casters are 203 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,080 suddenly wandering again. So I don't know I, I, I don't 204 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,360 know, I, I think it's, it's just a change. 205 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:09,440 I don't know that I have a feeling on it. 206 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,240 Lex, you actually play melee DPS. 207 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,560 So how do you feel about the fact that you can do less and 208 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:14,360 get more now? Well. 209 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,640 So I'm just, OK, so first of all, I'm going to have to be a 210 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,640 little bit of an idiot for a second. 211 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:24,080 So you don't do like if if I'm meleeing and I'm casting my 212 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,960 abilities, I'm not doing auto attacks on top of that, correct? 213 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,240 Or is there like damage that's that's ticking in the 214 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,400 background? In some abilities, but like 215 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,840 there are some abilities that will stop your auto attack 216 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,920 damage. So anything that has a cast you 217 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,440 won't do. So when you're doing an i-beam 218 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,920 as a as a Demon Hunter, you're not doing auto attacks during 219 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,600 that time. But if you're doing some, if 220 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,560 you're doing many of your other abilities, you're also getting 221 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:53,400 your auto attacks in on on top of that. 222 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,960 OK, I guess I also I'm just perplexed. 223 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,920 I don't personally, I've never been like, you know, what I 224 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,360 really want in my video game is I want not doing anything to be 225 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,320 really beneficial. Not really beneficial. 226 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,720 Obviously, it's not like I'm sure it's not actually like a 227 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:16,000 significant amount of my purses. I guess I I feel like I I like, 228 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,760 I don't necessarily have a strong opinion on it because 229 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,280 again, it's not me. It's just the fact that I 230 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:27,040 clicked on the boss. I guess I I'm also kind of 231 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,760 having trouble wrapping my head around it because it just feels 232 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:38,200 like such a OK I sure I'll have bigger numbers because I clicked 233 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,200 on the boss. It kind of Harkins back to 234 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,360 classic right? I feel like man, I don't this is 235 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,280 like a a dozen episodes a show ago. 236 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,480 I made an offhanded snarky comment that it feels like they 237 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,880 brought somebody back who was around with the game in Classic 238 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,520 and they're trying to push everything back to the way that 239 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:55,840 it was in Classic to make it better. 240 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,880 But this feels like, you know, it wasn't like white damage was 241 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:04,040 a more significant portion of your auto attack, like your auto 242 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,000 attacks were more significant part of your damage in Classic 243 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,720 to the point that you would like macro attack start into some of 244 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,920 your abilities in order to make sure you're getting those. 245 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,520 So I don't know, I mean, maybe stop letting the person who was 246 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,760 there when the game was made in 2004 make these decisions for us 247 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,600 'cause it's 2025. I get it. 248 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,360 He he's a great storyteller, But obviously these are jokes. 249 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,440 I don't think that. Listen I I was hard pressed to 250 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,080 remember the last time you made a snarky comment so like this is 251 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,280 refreshing and new for me. Yeah, refreshing and new. 252 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:40,160 Yeah, I don't know. I I'm yeah, I don't really have 253 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,280 a feeling on it. It's, it's just a something that 254 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,680 everybody's going to get. It's not like, oh, this is gonna 255 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,200 make players who aren't very good do better because they're 256 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,600 getting more white damage 'cause everybody's gonna get that 257 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,440 bonus. So I don't know, I guess the. 258 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,880 Only thing I can think of is like if they just want bosses to 259 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,080 fall over a little faster right 'cause. 260 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,080 I think or hit on something that could that could be where it 261 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,600 changes the floor a little bit because if a greater portion of 262 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,360 your damage is just I'm by I'm sticking with the boss and not 263 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,320 I'm pressing the right buttons in the right order. 264 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:18,440 Exactly. Then the floor of damage for all 265 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:23,520 these melee classes is, is raised a bit, right? 266 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,960 You're not going to be doing like, I mean, it just definitely 267 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,480 stresses up time a little bit more, but because these things 268 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,360 always generated your resources for most melee classes, like 269 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:40,480 warriors don't take don't get rage off of taking damage as 270 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,720 much as they used to. It's all about them actually 271 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,560 dealing damage. Maelstrom weapon, the stacks and 272 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,160 so forth. Uptime always felt like 273 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:54,160 important, like I don't know why, but just, you know, 274 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:59,160 sticking by the boss is going to give you a certain level of 275 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,640 damage and that's been raised. So I guess there's that. 276 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:09,360 And I, yeah, I'm a little lost on this. 277 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,160 I wish they kind of explained a bit more why they felt that 278 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,600 white damage or auto attack damage was so important. 279 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,440 But there are some other changes in there. 280 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,920 There are dev notes on various classes so people can check 281 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,200 that. But along with all of this, they 282 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:32,040 they decided to add in or enable the damage meters. 283 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,160 They enabled a couple of things that they were talking about 284 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,560 before, especially Ian in in his blog post and an interview that 285 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,560 he had with PC Gamer. And so we've actually been able 286 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,760 to test a little bit of these before we go into like the ray 287 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,840 testing itself. I did want to take a little bit 288 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,400 of time to talk about these things that have been added 289 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:03,200 specifically for me. I'm looking at the damage meters 290 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:09,240 and what what it is right now. And in general it's a basic 291 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,839 damage meter. It is not able to drill down to 292 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:17,880 the level of detail that other other damage meters were able to 293 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:25,160 do. But I also found that when I 294 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:29,760 needed that, I was more likely to be looking at logs than than 295 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:34,440 looking at the damage meter. I just think that some of it's 296 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:39,640 really unintuitive, like how many times when I was talking 297 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,200 with somebody, they didn't know that they could get a damage 298 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,880 breakdown by right clicking. And the the time that I 299 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,160 discovered it myself was just accidentally. 300 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,920 I was just sort of like, OK, let me Scroll down and I actually 301 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,600 hit the wrong. But I was like, oh, that's where 302 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:59,360 that is. It's also incredibly annoying 303 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,560 that when you leave the instance, it auto clears. 304 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,680 I don't want that. It really should be clear when I 305 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:08,840 asked for it. Go ahead, John. 306 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,640 There's a drop down menu that has past encounters. 307 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,560 It's the circle next to the cog wheel. 308 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,440 I think. I, I, I can't confirm this, but 309 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,720 I'm pretty sure if you click that, you can go back to 310 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,600 previous, OK, previous ones. Because I know a lot of people 311 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,560 were saying that it was auto clearing, but I'm pretty sure 312 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,760 that little cog it, it looks like a circle, which is a circle 313 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,360 in the right next to the the gear that will give you your 314 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:33,360 previous ones. So that's another, but again, 315 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:36,280 unintuitive that it automatically does that. 316 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:40,760 Yeah. Yeah, I think Blizzard needs to 317 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,080 put out a tutorial video on their official site or, you 318 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,240 know, work with the content creator. 319 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,240 They've done several times where they've worked with different 320 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,760 content creators. Do a tutorial video, blast it 321 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,640 out there so people know how how this thing works. 322 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,880 Yeah, there's still notably some issues with it. 323 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,440 There's no death recap, so there's no way to know from 324 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,960 details what killed you. So you can't find out until you 325 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,960 check the logs. And then like you can look at 326 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,240 you can click recap on the center of your screen it gives 327 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,560 you, but like it won't, there's no details death. 328 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,480 So you have to check the logs for that, which is awful, which 329 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,680 you can't see until the the combat has ended, which is 330 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:25,000 awful. And it's the part that's 331 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,320 unfortunate is that it has bugs in it that were fixed in WAD. 332 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,360 So monk stagger damage counts as damage done for monks for 333 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:38,800 brewmaster monks. So their stagger is showing as 334 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,200 damage that they've done, inflating their damage on the 335 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,400 meters. The augmentation evokers have no 336 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,520 hooks at all, so any damage. So it's just like when Ogg 337 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,600 launched day one how on details they were below the healers and 338 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,680 below the tanks. That's how they look in the 339 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,240 Blizzard in game meters, because they're not accounting for any 340 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,920 damage that Ogg is boosting of their allies the way the details 341 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,760 had rectified to fix. To give an approximation. 342 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,720 So those issues and there's some other issues with like things 343 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,520 that are like long channeled heels and stuff, things that 344 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:10,600 aren't damaged aren't it was damaged. 345 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,640 That's the stuff that concerns me a little bit more is that 346 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,600 like we're, we're excited for this because it's server side 347 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:25,640 validation, but it's, it doesn't seem like it was properly built. 348 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,000 I again, I don't want to say they're probably built because 349 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,800 it's still very much a work in progress. 350 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,240 But like I will say that the oversights, considering how 351 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:43,760 glaring they are and how notable they are, it feels poor that 352 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,680 they weren't at least documented and saying this is something we 353 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,880 are aware of and we're we're looking to put that in in a 354 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,240 future version. Like I think a lot of these 355 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,280 add-ons, a lot of the, well, I don't want to call them add-ons 356 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,440 because they're integrated. A lot of the integrated options. 357 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:13,800 I think that the team would be best served if they said, here's 358 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,520 what you're going to see in this one, Here's what we're working 359 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,040 on in the in the next edition and here's stuff that's future 360 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,200 that's like future promises that you'll see down the line, right? 361 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,320 Especially if they said, here's the stuff that we are going to 362 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:31,240 guarantee that we're going to get in by launch. 363 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,720 That would stop a lot of a lot of complaints. 364 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,200 And it would also alert people if they saw something that 365 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,560 wasn't on that list to to give that feedback. 366 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,400 It's just, I think it's a little bit more of proactive 367 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,000 communication needs to be done with the setups in a similar 368 00:21:51,000 --> 00:22:00,160 way, the raid frames that were put out as Adpsi don't 369 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,280 particularly need those rate frames to be like as functional 370 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,440 as healers or tanks. But I think this is a, this one 371 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,120 was a weak point for me. This was a, this was in terms of 372 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:18,320 sizing. Like I get that you can size the 373 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,440 panels, but I need those icons to be sized. 374 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:27,320 I need to not have like the raid buff that I put out. 375 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,160 So I'm I'm putting out sky fury. I don't need that to take up 376 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,120 everybody's bar right That that's stupid. 377 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:41,800 If I'm a if I am a tank or not a tank, I don't want it to be. 378 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,680 I either see it and this take it up the whole bar and even then 379 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,640 like it. Sometimes it might be a bit of a 380 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,320 stress to see it or I don't see it at all. 381 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,920 There might be a point where I, you know, I can throw an off 382 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:59,200 heal or I'm in a mythic plus and I can, I can like help the 383 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,000 healer with with a cleanse spirit. 384 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:10,480 And right now it feels very, it doesn't feel like it can be 385 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,160 customized enough. I I just, I would like them to 386 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,400 add that same slider that says take the take this bar and go 387 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,520 from like 100% to 150% or 70% and put that on the icons too. 388 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,520 I just want major buff icons, outside buff icons, buffs and so 389 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,040 forth to have that sort of filter on top. 390 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,080 Sorry, that sort of change in size on top of the filters that 391 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,760 they say are going to be coming soon And from the rating, the 392 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,960 little bit of rating that I did, healers really want those 393 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,360 filters. Blizzard get to that fast. 394 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,240 Yeah, Lex looked like she wanted to say something about damage 395 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,920 meters, and I'm really excited to hear it 'cause I haven't had 396 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:59,080 snarky Lex for a week. Oh, I, I so I to be completely 397 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,800 honest, damage meters are one of the ones that I'm watching the 398 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,640 least closely because like what I have done is I've plugged in 399 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,000 like on on my actual game. I have details and it just, 400 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:13,160 it's, I sometimes look at kicks when I need to yell at my reign 401 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,360 team and be like, Hey guys, I can see that you're not kicking. 402 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:24,080 So this has always like for me, this is fine if it's clunky. 403 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,480 Personally, I, I, I understand that it is not for other people 404 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,720 and I'm not, you know, not everything. 405 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,600 My, my opinion is not the most important in the world, but 406 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,320 overwhelmingly if I'm doing a granular deep dive, I'm going to 407 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,440 go into logs anyway. So the, the damage meters are 408 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,680 not really something that I'm overly concerned about 409 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,280 personally. And admittedly, now that I'm not 410 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,160 a healer, grave frames aren't really either, right? 411 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,640 Like that's also something that I, I, I, I want it good because 412 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,040 I want, I, I, I really do feel like the healers are the ones 413 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,040 who've kind of gotten like core gameplay taken or not gameplay, 414 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,520 but like ways that multiple people were playing, like click 415 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,920 casting, things like that have just been taken away from them 416 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,640 with like you, you simply cannot play by the way that you were 417 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,560 playing before, which isn't really true for any other group 418 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,560 of people. So at the very least the ways 419 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,280 that we can kind of ameliorate that. 420 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,360 And to be fair, also, I'm a mouse over macro girly. 421 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:28,040 So even if I was healing, I was not using click casting. 422 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,960 I wasn't using voodoo or anything fancy. 423 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,080 So like, again, it really doesn't affect me, but I, I, I 424 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,800 do just feel like the healers have kind of gotten shafted the 425 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,680 most and if nothing else, I want them to have nice rate frames. 426 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,360 I yeah, I definitely want the nicer rate frames that present 427 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,920 that information, but I do want to push back against the voodoo, 428 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,840 not necessarily for my own sake, but because I think this is 429 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,720 something that like, it is one of those functionality things 430 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,640 that Blizzard is just not going to do. 431 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,440 And so I think that they that they need to, of course, design 432 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,280 the mechanics accordingly so that you don't need to be that 433 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,680 fast to remove a debuff poison or whatever or whatever it is 434 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:21,000 that they are highlighted well enough so that you know that 435 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,760 it's on on there through either the rate frames or through like 436 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:36,640 in game notification. I I do feel that the name plates 437 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,640 themselves one big thing that John and I were saying a little 438 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:45,520 bit before we got started, threat, the default threat 439 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:52,280 indication is incredibly lacking and I think might need to be 440 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,280 just generally reworked in a tank mode. 441 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:03,320 Maybe that like that version might be OK for somebody who is 442 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,160 in a role where they're where like, hey, it's big and red and 443 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,880 such. And so like, Oh my goodness, 444 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:16,320 I've got I've got threat only on the ones that are that are at 445 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,400 me. Sure. 446 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,680 But like I have seen some nightmare scenarios. 447 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:28,400 I have also had just tanks that I have run with on. 448 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,880 Well, I did a little bit testing earlier that did not we're not 449 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:39,800 easily able to know something was in combat with them because 450 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:46,000 in many of the add-ons, they will prevent the bars from 451 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,040 leaving your screen. It will like you can actually 452 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,640 like set it to so so it doesn't go so far on your screen. 453 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,840 But Blizzard hasn't put that consideration in. 454 00:27:54,160 --> 00:28:00,760 And so if something is way out of your your screen and in 455 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,520 combat with you, like let's say a caster that's picking off your 456 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:08,960 healer from the fringes of the arena, you do not know. 457 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,400 And that seems incredibly painful. 458 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:20,080 In fact, a friend of the show, Chrisette, had spoken about how 459 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,880 she felt somewhat blind because of the UI changes, that she just 460 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,880 did not feel like she knew what was going on. 461 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,600 And then from like reviewing videos from, from my own 462 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:39,600 experience, it's because there is a gap in information that is 463 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,520 that is still not being properly communicated with the base 464 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,960 Blizzard features right now. One thing that I actually, 465 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,800 because I feel like I've been really mean about Final Fantasy 466 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,960 recently, one thing that I think Blizzard could pull from Final 467 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,520 Fantasy that could be really beneficial is in Final Fantasy, 468 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,480 there is on the side of your screen, everything that you're 469 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,280 in combat with is listed and has a little threat icon. 470 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,640 So it's three different colors. There's like, you know, full 471 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,160 thread is red. It's like a red shape. 472 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,240 So it's all sued off of our color blindness because it, you 473 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,360 know, it's different shapes and there's a yellow circle, I 474 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,320 think, and then a green square. And that's really helpful 475 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,840 because you can immediately, first of all, you can 476 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,240 immediately see. I don't, I don't know if you 477 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,280 can. I, I'm trying to remember if you 478 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,800 can like click on it to target. I don't think you can, but that 479 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,680 would be great, right? If there is like, oh Jesus, this 480 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,480 one is, you know, red and I'm tank or like green or whatever. 481 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,000 I, I can't remember anything. But like, I, I, I need to target 482 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,880 that one specifically. But if nothing else, it means 483 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,640 that you can just at a glance say, do I have all threat? 484 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,000 And am I at risk of losing threat without needing to look 485 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,920 around and, and figure out what's going on and even know 486 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,600 exactly where things are. You just know I'm good to go or 487 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,800 I'm not good to go and I got to go figure out who's getting 488 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,760 whaled on right now. I like that it's there's a lot 489 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,560 of places that could go to get information to learn. 490 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,000 I think I have. So I have a quote from a very 491 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,840 skilled healer who was in the rate testing with us and I asked 492 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,440 them how they felt about the rate frames because I from a 493 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,840 tank perspective was not overly happy with them. 494 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,360 The only way to see the stacks. So I have a positive and a 495 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,400 negative. So the negative is the only way 496 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,080 to see the stacks that your other your Co tank has is by 497 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,800 looking at the raid frames. And you can set them as main 498 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,680 tanks. So then they pop out of the raid 499 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,360 frames, but they're still locks to the top and left corner of 500 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,680 the raid frames. So wherever you're, you can't 501 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,600 set it to grow from the right. So your tanks are always going 502 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,800 to be on the left hand side, which is on the on on as far 503 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,640 away from your eye line as possible. 504 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,200 As a tank, you can't change that. 505 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,400 That's really unfortunate. You could. 506 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,240 Move the entire that's a negative to the right side. 507 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,080 Move. The entire and then it would 508 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,680 grow out to you, I guess. Yeah, and then it would grow. 509 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,840 Yeah, into the wall. So that's not ideal. 510 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,160 It's it's not I I, I frankly don't like it. 511 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,640 I like having a separate box that I can put somewhere near 512 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,480 the center of my screen that tells me what my code tanks 513 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,080 health is and what's what they have for debuffs. 514 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,680 Someone suggested using a focus, using my focus target for that, 515 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,000 but I use my focus target for kicks, so I don't know. 516 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,320 We'll have to. We'll adjust anyway, I wasn't 517 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,880 happy with the ray transfer. I reached out to one of the 518 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,520 Raiders, one of the healers in our raid group with us. 519 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,320 It was testing because they were all pretty vocal about the raid 520 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,360 frames. I said, can I get a quote for 521 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,960 the show tonight on the state of the raid frames? 522 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,560 And the quote that she gave me was, it's rough, man. 523 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,440 That's rough, buddy, That's rough. 524 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,800 Yeah. And then so that was first boss, 525 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:36,440 2 bosses in, she came back and said hope is slightly renewed or 526 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,240 hope is renewed. I've adjusted. 527 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,080 I think I adjusted because that boss felt infinitely better. 528 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,360 And the the take away here is oh, I forgot to say the good 529 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,640 thing. So the bad thing was that I have 530 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,000 to look at the red frames for my tank thing. 531 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,880 The good thing is all of the bosses except for Nexus King, 532 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,680 which was sorry, Fallen King, Saladar, the so the three bosses 533 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,680 we tested up to that point, it didn't matter what he had for 534 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,080 Stax, my coat tank, because I could tell I knew when to taunt 535 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,840 based on what mechanic the boss had just done. 536 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,600 So I didn't have to look and see what stacks he had because it's 537 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,800 all taunt on one very exciting gameplay. 538 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,920 Taunt on one, but I don't have to overly on the raid frames for 539 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:13,920 us that's good. So that was the good thing. 540 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,040 That was a positive. They did make it very clear 541 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,040 Nexus King complete opposite Nexus king. 542 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,440 You have to taunt on like you have to watch and see how many 543 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,920 stacks they have and it builds up very fast. 544 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,160 It's very fast. I spent most of that fight 545 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,640 looking at raid frames as a tank. 546 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,920 Not ideal, but what So what I'm trying to say with the raid 547 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,320 frames is a lot of healers and tanks and a lot of players, and 548 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,360 I think this is something that we may have mentioned on the 549 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,600 show. You're, you're essentially going 550 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,080 to have to relearn how to play this game because you have 551 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,320 however many years you've been playing using a custom UI that 552 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,840 you set up yourself that is visually designed for you and 553 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,440 your brain to process the information in the best way 554 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,520 possible for you. And now Blizzard is saying, 555 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,240 here's one of three different raid frame options you have, 556 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,360 figure out which one is closest to being best for you and that's 557 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,840 what you'll use. Now we may get add-ons that 558 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,080 adjust raid frames down the road, but we don't have those 559 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,160 today. And and the goal isn't for 560 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,160 players to have to install an add on to be able to play the 561 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,440 game. So we need we need more in game 562 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,800 options to edit things and make them better. 563 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,400 Let us move what buffs are where. 564 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,240 Let us decide what buffs we want to track. 565 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,240 Let us. I don't know it's. 566 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,360 I do. Another quote they gave me was 567 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,080 they need to talk to a healer, any healer, just somebody who's 568 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,680 healed this game in the last five years. 569 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,840 Please talk to one of them was the other quote I got from 570 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:43,760 somebody else, which is a bit extreme, but if you look at 571 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,880 Twitter, it's not any brighter for. 572 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:52,760 You, I'm sorry, I, I will, I will assume that that that that 573 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,280 person hasn't gone through and interviewed every employee to 574 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,840 determine that they're not healers and that they have not 575 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,880 healed in five years. No, no, no, they didn't even say 576 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,520 they had to heal. They just said talk to. 577 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,680 Talk to heal. OK, I but I'm going to do 1 578 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,280 better and assume that there are people who heal within the 579 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,920 Blizzard staff that talk to devs. 580 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,040 Yeah, of course. Yeah, regardless. 581 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,320 People were frustrated. Today I think is the is the take 582 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,199 away. But I, I think that you've 583 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,040 actually hit on something that I do want to, I do want to cover. 584 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,719 But you know what, Lex, let me give you the floor for this. 585 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,040 I was gonna be, I was gonna be a little bit of a jerk. 586 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,560 I was gonna say, this is great news for little scrubs like me. 587 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,000 With our Frankenstein UI. We don't have to relearn 588 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,400 anything. I've got no changes. 589 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,960 Mine already looks like the base UI. 590 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,360 This is gonna be sick. I'm gonna be top of the DPF 591 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,760 charge while you all figure out how to replay your game. 592 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,960 I'm sorry. Your white damage is increased. 593 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,360 You will be Oh. Hell yeah. 594 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:53,960 But actually my comment lines with Lexus, I think that what 595 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,840 you're going to find is that there is going to be an 596 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,800 adjustment period. It's going to be very rough. 597 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,280 In fact, that might be the name of the of this show. 598 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,640 Whenever you get onto the beta or whenever the pre patch comes 599 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,120 and changes everything, you lose your your UI stuff and you have 600 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,720 to reset up with the base UI. It's going to be not only the 601 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:21,440 adjustment of that and the loss of information that you're so 602 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,760 used to knowing exactly where to look because you've lined it up 603 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,160 with your your natural instincts, but on top of that, 604 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,720 it's going to be relearning your class because a lot of these 605 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:33,640 classes have been significantly pruned. 606 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,280 It's going to be new encounters and and so forth. 607 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:47,160 So while I expected today to be the most culture shock that that 608 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,920 we're going to see, I expect a lot of people just logged in for 609 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,160 ray testing and being like, OK, cool with maybe some testing on 610 00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,920 the dummies ahead of this. I don't think that it is that 611 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,120 you should take what we're saying today and expect that it 612 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,880 is all doom and gloom. I I think that one, the UI is 613 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,880 going to improve. How much remains to be seen, but 614 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,080 also players are going to adjust. 615 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:21,280 We are a resilient bunch for the most of us, and others of us are 616 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,320 just going to immediately roll with the punches. 617 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:28,720 Some of us are doing this full time, and by the time the rest 618 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:32,160 of us get to level 90, they will have cleared through the week's 619 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,320 worth of dungeons and already know all the skips and such and 620 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,600 have already hit their stride. So I no. 621 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,640 He's talking about me, Sean. Yeah, no, sorry talking. 622 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,400 About one of us. Yeah, like it, it is reflected 623 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,840 in this show as well. It is going to be the, the, the 624 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,320 growing pains of how much you customized your UI, Sean and how 625 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,240 quickly you put in the repetition to like adjust to the 626 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:04,600 changes. It is going to be how much I've 627 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,080 customized my UI and how long it takes me to make those 628 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,200 adjustments. It is going to be the exact same 629 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:18,400 thing for Lex, and the truth of the matter is that the UI has 630 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,920 become such a personal thing that I cannot tell anybody how 631 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,320 good or bad it is for them, only that it will not be the tailored 632 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:33,440 glove that you're used to. I think a lot about the first 633 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,880 time that I ever played with my gaming mouse and within like 5 634 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,160 minutes of playing with it. I was like, I have wasted like 635 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,840 money. This is dumb, this is terrible 636 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,000 and I was like literally like because I have a like a 12 key 637 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,400 like a my entire gaming is my thumb and I remember sitting 638 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,960 there like literally craning my neck to look at what numbers 639 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,040 were where to figure it out and I was like this, this is 640 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,960 impossible. I don't understand how I don't 641 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,120 understand why I bought this stupid little piece of junk. 642 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,040 I don't understand how anyone ever plays with this. 643 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,560 And right now if you took away my gaming mouse and told me to 644 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,480 do it all with key binds with my keyboard only I would not be 645 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,680 able to play anymore. I so, so I, I do, I do worry 646 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,640 about accessibility that, and again, it's not something that I 647 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,560 can speak to directly, but I do, I am, I have concerns. 648 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,440 I worry, I think healers are getting the biggest or have the 649 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,600 biggest risk of shifts, right? I don't think anyone else has 650 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,600 had their core way they have played this game taken away, 651 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,920 right? There's little things that, you 652 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,240 know, the way that you're used to your UI being set up is going 653 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,960 to be jarring. I, I think that healers are the 654 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,560 only people who are going to be like, oh, wait, like this is a 655 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,320 whole new game from what I've been doing. 656 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,120 And I also understand that I am at a pretty casual level. 657 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,040 So the harm to me is always going to feel different. 658 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,360 But I do overall think you're probably right, Manny. 659 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,800 I think that humans have very elastic brains and we're good 660 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,880 at, especially as gamers, we're really good at kind of plugging 661 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,640 ourselves in and, and having a rough time and figuring it out. 662 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,000 I will say, and you guys can tell me if you disagree with 663 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,520 this take. This is to fast dev directly. 664 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,440 This is a tier to tune down right, make it easy, make it a 665 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,040 bunch of sludge fists, make it like very straightforward, like 666 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,960 everything is like just kind of teaching you make it so that 667 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,040 everyone's getting to AOT. You're expecting people to get 668 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,920 to AOTC early, like obviously don't make it like babies first, 669 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,840 but like tuned down, right? Because yeah, we are re learning 670 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,480 how to play and we are going to be struggling. 671 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,760 And if we're doing that with like highly complicated bosses 672 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,320 and highly complicated raids and and dungeons, that put seeing 673 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,320 much higher risk of people hitting frustration walls. 674 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,880 Yeah. OK, I. 675 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,240 Have good news for you Lex. When we talk about RAID testing, 676 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:40,520 I have good news for you. I think that's a good segue as 677 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,960 we're ever going to get. So Sean, take it away. 678 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,200 We did raid testing today. This was day one of beta raid 679 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,480 testing. We tested the only boss in the 680 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,160 dream Rift Awakens raid or whatever it's called. 681 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,640 Probably the worst boss model I've ever seen. 682 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,120 I did not like the way that it looked. 683 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,600 Then we tested. I just it's, it's like a weird 684 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,040 chimera. So it's like like a moose's tail 685 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,400 and a wolf's face and. Skin or it's arm is like the the 686 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,400 femur bone is, is like actually, I like the details. 687 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,360 I was actually staring at the details being like, wow, there's 688 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,680 a lot of work put in that that thing. 689 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:19,960 No details is gone man. They turned that off and then we 690 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,720 did the first 3 bosses of the Void Spire, which was the first 691 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,040 boss who everybody from this point forward will just call tic 692 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:32,520 tac toe, the second boss who is a weird 4 armed Taros, and then 693 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:38,120 the third boss was Fallen King Saladar and Lex. 694 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,480 I think you're going to get your wish. 695 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,760 We were able to kill three of the four of them. 696 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,120 This was heroic bosses and we were wearing gear that was the 697 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,400 same item level from heroic dungeons. 698 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,600 So not mythic 0, not LFR heroic level dungeons. 699 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,600 We were killing heroic raid bosses. 700 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,680 Obviously tuning will change that. 701 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,640 Let's do the good, the bad and then one thing I would like to 702 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,040 see different. So the good all four of the 703 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:12,400 bosses were easy. They sorry easy. 704 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,200 As I mentioned the tank to. Kill or Easy to understand? 705 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,480 Both. Both. 706 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:25,680 With the exception of the four armed terrace one, the they were 707 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,320 all it was very easy to see a mechanic, see what happened when 708 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,040 that mechanic played out and through that and reading the 709 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,280 dungeon journal understand what to do. 710 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,800 Especially so for the first boss, the the chimera boss from 711 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,080 the dream rift, the first boss in the void Spire and Nexus King 712 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,000 Saladar. So all of those were it was easy 713 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,120 to understand what to do. You could blind progbies Lex 714 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,000 Timbermont Tavern could blind progbies very successfully. 715 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,800 I think the the four armed boss not not easy to figure out. 716 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:03,000 I still now after talking to multiple Raiders in top 50 world 717 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,840 ranked guilds do not understand how we were supposed to do that 718 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:13,680 tank mechanic and one of those guilds wasn't even they just 719 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,680 decided to rotate immunities. They're like we're just going to 720 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,520 have DPS immune soak this and not make it a tank mechanic. 721 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,640 So I don't I don't know what the solution is there. 722 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,400 That boss was the one that was the only one that frustrated me 723 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,400 because we it was just was not clear what to do with that 724 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,680 mechanic. It's it's a debuff that goes on 725 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,680 you when he does this ability that he does multiple times 726 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,320 before the debuff expires. So it's like, I don't know what 727 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,040 we're supposed to do here. It wasn't clear whether the 728 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,040 dungeon journal testing different things didn't seem to 729 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,640 work. That was very frustrating the. 730 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,520 I I do want to I do want to ask. Yeah. 731 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,200 Multiple buffs going on you not sure what to do, but like it 732 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,080 wasn't it wasn't that you weren't sure what to do and you 733 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,360 needed a you feel like it needed a week or like when we were 734 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:07,520 testing the last raid, we there were specific bosses. 735 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,280 We were like that's a week or a boss. 736 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,760 Did any of these seem like that needed that would be like solved 737 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,560 with a week or? No, no, this I just. 738 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,440 This is just poorly designed or poorly explained or poorly 739 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,280 Telegraph. Like it's a he he does it's two 740 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,120 he does 2 he he does 2 smashes with his big hands. 741 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,880 Each smash puts a 2 minute long debuff on you that increases 742 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,880 your damage taken, your physical damage taken by 150%. 743 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,160 And then after he does two big smashes with the debuff, he does 744 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,200 4 smashes with his small hands, which are still significant 745 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,160 damage but don't apply the debuff. 746 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:46,560 But the debuff lasts for two minutes. 747 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,440 If you were the tank who takes the first big hand smash, your 748 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,840 debuff has not fallen off by the time the next first big hand 749 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,560 smash comes around. So you can't just trade off big 750 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,280 hand smashes. So what some groups were doing 751 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:08,160 on the testing was having one tank soak both of the first two 752 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,760 big hand smashes and then the off tank soak all of the small 753 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,360 stand smashes. And then when it cycled back 754 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,760 around again, they switched. But the damage from the small 755 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,400 hand smashes multiple in a row back-to-back was still a lot 756 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,440 more than like you, you run our defensives as the as the tank 757 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,520 taking the smallest matches, unless you're a brewmaster monk 758 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,360 who are completely broken right now. 759 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,920 And we're able to take both of the big hand smashes and all 760 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,280 four of the small hand smashes and one more big hand smash. 761 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,880 And not only because the stagger keeps you going, but sometimes 762 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,400 you dodge it and therefore don't get the debuff that wasn't. 763 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,800 So it's just a very there's no, the dungeon journal doesn't 764 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,840 explain it. Well, you can normally tell by 765 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,320 how long a debuff is and how long until the next time that 766 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,760 mechanic comes around what you're supposed to do. 767 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,600 It was just not we weren't able to figure it out. 768 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,200 Nobody was. And like I said, one Guild just 769 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,120 said, Hey, you are DPS and somebody has to be in the soak 770 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,640 to in order in order kills everybody. 771 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,360 So they were just saying DPS, you turtle, you bubble, you go 772 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,760 in that you're this one. And the tanks were never dealing 773 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,920 with it it. Did the group soak it? 774 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,080 Could you like it, didn't it? Was not a group soak. 775 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,480 No, it was just a solo soak. Yeah. 776 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,440 So that's that was the only frustrating part. 777 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,320 But the boss is easy to understand outside of that. 778 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,960 And yeah, they were easy to fight. 779 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,720 Like we killed them and we our our gear was like I said, tuned 780 00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:27,040 very low for what it should be for heroic rating. 781 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:34,720 So that was fine. And the bad the visuals on some 782 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:36,280 of the bosses could use some work. 783 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,040 So the first the the Chimera boss does a strafing run across 784 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,120 the platform during his intermission and it's a Gray, 785 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,520 it's just a Gray bar. It's like a, a Gray, opaque 786 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,720 dusty bar that cuts across the platform. 787 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,880 That is, if you're on the edge of it, you can see because the 788 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,800 borders are slightly darker Gray. 789 00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:57,960 But if you're in the middle of it, you can't tell which way to 790 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,800 go because it's you don't even know you're in it sometimes 791 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,920 because it's just Gray. So that needs a better visual 792 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,880 and obviously raid frames and everything like that was an 793 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,880 issue there. There was nothing that felt like 794 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,120 people kept making exclamation and statements like, Oh, I can't 795 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,880 believe I don't need weak cores. You know, this is I can figure 796 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,480 this out. The tic tac toe boss. 797 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,560 You can't let him have his ads create straight line, you know, 798 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,960 so you have to using mechanics break things to to stop from 799 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,320 being a straight line. And people were like, oh, this 800 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,200 is great. I don't need weak cores. 801 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:29,120 They're like, well, of course you don't. 802 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,880 It's nine boxes. We only have the option for 9. 803 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,040 Like even if weak cores existed, you wouldn't need a weak. 804 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,640 Car for this? Yeah, but if. 805 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:39,560 We go design boxes. The question is, are they 806 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,520 designing where weak cores would not be needed? 807 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,200 And yes, with only a three by three grid, you're not really 808 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,200 going to need a weak weak or for it. 809 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,000 No. Could they have designed 810 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,560 something where you would have needed a weak or? 811 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,880 Yes, of course, right? Would this have been trivialized 812 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,000 with a weak or? I don't think so. 813 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,680 This just seems like so basic that it would be almost harder 814 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,720 to look at a weak or whereas you've got a grid. 815 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,240 But it's, it was, it was a fine bot. 816 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,000 And the, and the thing I would, I, I think I would do 817 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,600 differently. Like I'm really struggling. 818 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,000 And it might be a case of the fact that the UI is different, 819 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,840 or it might be the environments, but I'm really struggling to 820 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,360 visually parse any of the information to the point that I 821 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,720 actually started to worry that I might have like a, a visual 822 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,920 learning problem. But like I was really struggling 823 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,000 to the, the, the Blizzard timer bar basically didn't exist. 824 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,400 Like I was like, I couldn't even see it, it, it basically didn't 825 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,600 exist to me. And it's right next to my 826 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,800 screen. But because I was so focused on 827 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,520 everything else, it didn't seem to exist to me. 828 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,280 And I, I was just, I don't know if it was maybe the zones 829 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,680 weren't overly interesting. It was a lot of purple on 830 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,520 purple, a lot of Koresh themed stuff in the Void Spire. 831 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,760 And none of these bosses, like none of them stood out to me. 832 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,840 Whereas in testing last year, even in that first day, there 833 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,920 was like Forge Weaver. We did Forge Weaver on that 834 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,320 first day. And afterwards I was like, this 835 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,640 is going to be one of the best bosses ever. 836 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,720 But from testing today, like none of these bosses to me are 837 00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:18,600 memorable in any way. I even though you said it was 838 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,040 the boss that was hardest to understand, I really feel that 839 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:27,840 the giant forehand forehand boss forearm boss is was like pretty 840 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,080 visually stunning, especially that like laser breath that he 841 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:36,720 puts across the arena. That that to me was fairly epic. 842 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:40,720 I mean, like it is, it is again, one of those like a mobile 843 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,360 bosses that stands at the edge of the Cliff and is like, oh, 844 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,200 I'm going to attack you. And so the animations that they 845 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,320 do are kind of cool. The, the radiating circles, the 846 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,240 crystalline walls and everything. 847 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:56,840 I felt that like that was a pretty visually impactful boss. 848 00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,000 I think I don't even see any of that. 849 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,440 Are you ranged or melee? I'm melee. 850 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,520 I don't even I don't even see any of that. 851 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,240 Like his his what? I'm looking at his chest 852 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:12,240 essentially and I play at Max camera zoom like all I can see 853 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,400 is the 1st 2 feet of that wall. I don't even know what the ads 854 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,280 looked like. I didn't see a single ad so I 855 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,720 don't. Maybe it is me, maybe there is 856 00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:22,360 something wrong with my eyes. I'm gonna go back and watch my 857 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,000 VOD, but I don't even that beam. I I remember a very like a blue 858 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,600 glow from his mouth, but I couldn't tell you that there was 859 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,520 like an epic beam shooting across the platform. 860 00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:33,800 Like most of the platform, 'cause you have you have to go 861 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,480 to the left or the right to, like, avoid it. 862 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,680 OK, yeah, maybe, maybe it is your perspective, but that 863 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,600 doesn't doesn't negate your point because you were fighting 864 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,000 these other bosses and still with the same perspective. 865 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,520 You found them just more visually engaging. 866 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:55,200 Yeah, I like, I, I think this in general from the fights that I I 867 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,120 got to see and I, I did have to step away in the middle of it. 868 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,360 So I did not get to test as much as you, Sean. 869 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,600 I think that there is like there's some more that they 870 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,120 could do, especially that wind tunnel where the boss is in the 871 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:15,040 intermission needs something to be better defined. 872 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:22,000 When I was doing Mythic plus, I also found that like some of the 873 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,480 visuals do still need that touch that they started adding in 874 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,720 dragon fight that we were lauding. 875 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:34,320 It's it's funny because we have one of the oldest dungeons to 876 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,920 ever grace mythic plus returning with the pit of Saron and I 877 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:44,640 thought that this would be like an absolute like nightmare for 878 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,840 visuals, but they they did a decent job. 879 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,360 Some of the models are dated because they're like Wrath of 880 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,200 the Lich King models, but most of the models actually got 881 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,760 replaced with Shadowlands counterparts. 882 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,280 And I didn't even know I didn't even notice at first. 883 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,840 I was like, oh wait, that's that's from Shadowlands. 884 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,040 That's why that looks so good, which is really good. 885 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,320 It's. Just the jailer. 886 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,320 They're all just the jailer. Oh God, they are a lot of models 887 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,200 from Maldraxis. There are a lot of models from 888 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,480 Maldraxis and then of course they just use like updated death 889 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,760 knight armor for for others of them. 890 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:32,000 But the the visuals are pretty good other than because it's 891 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,640 shadow on that dark blue sort of things sometimes. 892 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,440 Like again, I was talking about the caster picking off from the 893 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,680 side. Sometimes the caster will be 894 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,760 picking picking you off from the side and you won't see the 895 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,160 actual bolt that they're using at you because unlike Mel Draxus 896 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,120 where they're like bright green and stuff, so you could see 897 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,200 them. These are shadow magic over dark 898 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,320 Grays and you'll just see your health being chunked. 899 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,560 So there's a lot of things that I think that they need to do 900 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,880 visual clarification that that they should make another pass 901 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,400 with on that, especially when they are were no longer supposed 902 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:12,280 to be relying on the UI primarily to solve these things 903 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,400 for us. But yeah, that I guess that's a 904 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,840 segue for Mythic Plus here, unless you have something 905 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,760 further to talk about RAID. Yeah, so I, I did some testing 906 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,000 of Mythic Plus in general, the biggest thing that I want to 907 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:32,720 talk about is the Zealotath affixes because we are now in 908 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,440 we're we're past the war within. We are now looking at midnight 909 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,800 and it's the same suite of affixes. 910 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,760 I I don't have any other way to describe this other than lazy. 911 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,000 Like, no, you could have Zealotath back and she's got a 912 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,120 new bag of tricks and I'd be and I would have been cool with 913 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,000 that. I would have preferred that they 914 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,760 had done something else, but whatever. 915 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,200 But the exact same affixes with this little bit of tuning seems 916 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,120 just lazy. I don't know, Sean, you mostly 917 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:14,840 played at the first week to get to your to get to your 10's and 918 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,000 then push to twelves. So you probably had the least 919 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,280 amount of time with the with the affixes, but I feel like even 920 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,760 you would have gotten bored of them over the course of three 921 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,320 tears. Yeah, I hate all ethics very 922 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,560 anti ethics so I I don't know that I would have gotten bored 923 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:39,720 with them I I'm a very strange creature I liked when the 924 00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:44,960 dungeons never changed. I lament the days of being able 925 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:50,040 to farm the blood scale three tears in a row because I like 926 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,480 that it's comfortable right? It's like a hoodie that I or my 927 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,680 my slippers that I've had for four years like I know how they 928 00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,160 feel. I know what to expect. 929 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,320 I know how to pull them. I know what the creatures do and 930 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,720 what the mobs do and I know what loot I'm farming. 931 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,160 So I liked that familiarity, that sameness. 932 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,240 I'm. Sorry, but if you're looking for 933 00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:13,320 loot in your slippers, 4 years is too long to have those. 934 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,360 No man, what slippers are great. I have glare UPS. 935 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,120 They're fantastic. They're a marine wool with a 936 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,600 leather sole anyway, I know. So I, I mean, I met, have gotten 937 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,440 bored with them. I don't like affixes though. 938 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:30,000 So I, I, I, I would have liked to seen change just for the sake 939 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,160 of change. But there's, there's got to be 940 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,680 people who live in those affix ranges who are tired of them, 941 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,040 you know, even just for the fact that it's a different expansion 942 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,840 like what we, although we, we carried affixes over, I guess 943 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,120 from, from Legion forward. So with very little change to 944 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,160 them. So I don't know I'm I'm a bad 945 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,920 person to ask ask. I'm anti affix but I'm also 946 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,280 super comfy when things don't change. 947 00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:00,600 OK, Lex, from your your point of view, I know that like season 1 948 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,040 you gave it a shot, Season 2 you're staying away. 949 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,000 I don't know your season 3 journey off the top of my head, 950 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,920 but where do you sit with the Zaltath affixes? 951 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,400 So I did extremely few mythic plus. 952 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,880 So I don't like on the one hand, it's not repetitive to me. 953 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,040 I do and this obviously at a very different level. 954 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,600 I feel like this is kind of potentially the same issue we 955 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,520 had with them. Just like randomly deciding that 956 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,360 actually they were going to have one delve companion for an 957 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,800 entire expansion, which is if you're like, oh, this is 958 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,240 actually like the the people like it right now. 959 00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:35,760 So I guess you don't have to change it. 960 00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,960 You kind of forgot that when you when people don't get changed, 961 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,880 it gets boring. And also I again, as I, I'm not 962 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,080 a mythic plus player, so like, who really cares what I think? 963 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,160 I do think it's kind of sad. I do think like the, you know, 964 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:54,280 special expansion effects is always like from my mythic plus 965 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,720 time. I always think it's kind of cool 966 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,760 that there's something that's expansion specific. 967 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,440 So I think it's I, I just, I think it's, I think it's sad. 968 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,600 And frankly, to your lazy point, I haven't said this for a while, 969 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,880 it makes me worry about how much they're taking on if they're 970 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,200 deciding like, you know, this one thing that we've done a 971 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,240 special affix ever expansion. What if we just didn't do that? 972 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:19,960 Like do you think they care a little concerning? 973 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,560 Maybe they won't notice. Maybe they won't notice. 974 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:22,760 It's so it's. Just it's. 975 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,960 So it's the World Soul trilogy. In fairness, they did change 976 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,880 them. We now have two extra seconds to 977 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,680 deal with Devour. We have four extra seconds to 978 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,480 deal with Oblivion so there was changes made. 979 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,800 It's not like they just cut and pasted. 980 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,560 I've been snarky twice this. Episode and what what I've what 981 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,840 I've always been saying is on new expansions, they should 982 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,760 basically just like release basic patch notes like why not 983 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,240 just do another .7 right? It's changes. 984 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,040 They made changes. Manny doesn't get to say they're 985 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:03,400 lazy and I I get to be snarky. That's other words. 986 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:05,320 Well, that works. Yeah. 987 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,160 It's, I mean, it's not a good luck, but we, I don't know. 988 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:18,040 Yeah, I, I when I look at the Xalataf affixes and I look at 989 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:23,400 what's come before, before this, when we were in Dragonflight, it 990 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,560 was the the end of seasonal affixes. 991 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,920 They got rid of those and they said, hey, we're just going to 992 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:34,160 have the affixes that we will change change each season. 993 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,560 And then we had Zealotath and it was staying for the expansion. 994 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,560 But I was like, that's fine. This is what ties it together. 995 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,120 You don't have to relearn the affixes, but you do have to deal 996 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,200 with new dungeons and the revamped versions of the 997 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,040 dungeons when they come back. And then they did Season 3 and 998 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,960 people voted for the same stupid dungeons and we had to deal with 999 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:58,520 that. And maybe that helped to line up 1000 00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,280 with like how I got bored of it because it was again repeating 1001 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,960 those dungeons as well as the affixes. 1002 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,680 So it wasn't as much change up, I guess. 1003 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:16,800 I guess I don't want to put more work on them, so I'll leave it 1004 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,880 alone for this one just so that I don't make Lex cry. 1005 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:30,080 But I think that in terms of the dungeons, if I had to make one 1006 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:36,880 wish, Blizzard, just one wish for Christmas break, mythic from 1007 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,560 Mythic plus. I don't want the mythic dungeons 1008 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,640 rotating with the mythic plus season. 1009 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,480 Like that's it. Like I I understand it was to 1010 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,880 line up and give a starting point, but now that the Zalitaf 1011 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:55,680 affix doesn't even come into play at at a certain point that 1012 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,960 time doesn't come in that like losing lifes doesn't come into a 1013 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,960 certain point. You've kind of already made that 1014 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:06,320 that on ramp going through and the Mythic 0 can just stay as 1015 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,680 the like dungeons that are actually relevant to the 1016 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:14,120 expansion throughout. Because there are many dungeons 1017 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,440 that came in at the beginning of the war then that we just never 1018 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,800 saw again after season 1. And I feel that that's a little 1019 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,560 sad. Good done they were good 1020 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,760 dungeons. Stone vault good dungeon has a 1021 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,200 mount. If you didn't get it in season 1022 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,720 1, you have to wait till midnight to try and get. 1023 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,200 It right that that too for my for my mount collecting Sean 1024 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,400 standing up for us non players. Thank you. 1025 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,040 Thank you. Listen, I got you. 1026 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,240 I'm going to be a mount collector. 1027 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,120 I, I, I'm close. We're almost there. 1028 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,560 We are we're like one more raid test day away for me becoming a 1029 00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,000 mount full time mount collector and housing Maine because. 1030 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,360 As we know Manny, you can't raid and also do mount collecting so 1031 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,520 he has to drop. If he's going to collect 1032 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,080 mountains he has to drop out of raid you. 1033 00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,960 Can only do one. I deserve that. 1034 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,360 No, no, John's sticking up for the mound collector, so we'll 1035 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,920 leave him alone this time. That's right, trying to help. 1036 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,720 With the little people. So the other part that was a 1037 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,400 little bit of bad news for us is that while we wanted to play 1038 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,200 with the Blues, while I wanted to finally prove to Sean that 1039 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:24,720 Blizzard devs actually do play this game, it appears that Sean 1040 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,480 is right and they cancelled play with the Blues this week. 1041 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,280 Sean, go ahead. Never. 1042 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:35,880 Questioned that publicly yeah, we were supposed to do the 1043 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:40,200 testing of the midnight pre patch event but server issues 1044 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,960 happened it's beta beta's going to beta. 1045 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:47,200 So we we didn't get a chance to the rescheduling it for another 1046 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:48,360 time. Manny I wanted to ask you 1047 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,400 because I haven't done dungeons yet, how did I don't know how 1048 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,000 many you did? How did the interrupts field? 1049 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,480 How many casters per pack have we gotten the vaunted limited 1050 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,560 number of casters per pack the Blizzard promised us or is it 1051 01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,000 still you know, and when I say per pack, I mean you're 1052 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,160 obviously pulling two or three packs at a time. 1053 01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,720 So in that two or three pack pull, is it how many kicks are 1054 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,000 recording? It is so hit and miss It like 1055 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:21,760 pack pit of Saron. Then like maybe they need to 1056 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,560 change the way that it's pulling. 1057 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:28,760 So you're pulling on the casters, but like there's not 1058 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,240 much line of sight to like get to pull the casters into a 1059 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,360 certain point. It is, I think, the scenario 1060 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,960 that would make you hate it, hate it the most. 1061 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,880 But there are other dungeons where they are far better or 1062 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,800 better done. I think actually dungeons that 1063 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,120 they've made for For Midnight are better. 1064 01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,640 So like Algathar Academy? They've like completely not 1065 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:56,320 Algathar Academy. What's the one from BCI? 1066 01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,680 Can't remember the name of it from BC. 1067 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:10,480 BC Magister's Terrace. OK, so that wasn't Magister's 1068 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,240 Terrace that wasn't open for Mythic Plus testing, but it was 1069 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,880 open, but it was something that you were able to to test through 1070 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,040 and between like the fact that it's a bunch of hallways. 1071 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,960 So it's it's pretty easy to to line a sight between the fact 1072 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:29,760 that like the casters are like maybe one or two in a in a pack. 1073 01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:34,400 So like the DPS can can generally handle the interrupts. 1074 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,720 I was also with the paladin on that one. 1075 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:42,400 That shield does some good work. I ran that on normal and the 1076 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,320 cast it was it's it's all casters every pack is like 3 and 1077 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,360 4. Casters like in the library, but 1078 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,360 when you're in the courtyard, when you're in the the the 1079 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,000 pathway in between, like remember you like get from the 1080 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,640 library, go into the courtyard, go to the I. 1081 01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,480 Can't. I can't skip the library when I 1082 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,560 run it on mythic class. I'm still gonna have to go prove 1083 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,400 that you. Can, but you can. 1084 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:07,320 But like, generally, like the library was where the casters 1085 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,080 were and that was a significant jump in the casters that's 1086 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,360 different from the rest of the dungeon. 1087 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,200 So like a bad. All right, that's fair. 1088 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:14,360 Yeah. Yeah. 1089 01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,720 All right, I'm checking. Yeah, you. 1090 01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,240 Call me out. Plus that is that is something 1091 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,120 that was before they made changes, they decided to make 1092 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,520 these changes, right. So hopefully that's a pinpoint 1093 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,120 point. They they if there's interviews 1094 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,000 where they have said that Operation Floodgate and Ecodome 1095 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:39,360 Aldani are great examples of the level of casters they want to 1096 01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,240 see in dungeons and Ecodo Maldani is literally all every 1097 01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,760 single mob their cats. Like Floodgate? 1098 01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:50,440 Is no man. Seems fine in my in my. 1099 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,400 Yeah, floodgate's fine. I agree, Floodgate's fine. 1100 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,640 There are a lot of packed with casters. 1101 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,240 Seems such a wide for. Most of the kicks you can just 1102 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,680 ignore. Yeah, it's it's, yeah. 1103 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:05,040 It's really weird that it's so different from what they said. 1104 01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:12,520 Skyreach I found wasn't bad but that's because like the first 1105 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,240 half circle you, you're basically line of sight pulling 1106 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,920 into a big group and then they're together. 1107 01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:23,560 When you get past the first boss it's like 1 big pull before 1108 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,200 getting into the second boss. The birds aren't casters. 1109 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:32,960 The and then going to the last boss it's like 2 stops on the 1110 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,160 way. And that big Amatron isn't a 1111 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,360 caster period. So that one just seems kind of 1112 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,000 designed in with this in mind already. 1113 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,560 Yeah. I just, yeah, my concern is that 1114 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,640 there. There are, there are definitely 1115 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,800 pain points by my admission and by your, your memory, there are 1116 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,320 definitely pain points and they need to address them. 1117 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,600 But that's what we were saying last episode where it's like 1118 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,080 it's now on them. Yeah, yeah. 1119 01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:08,360 I just at this point in the War within beta cycle, I was so 1120 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,280 excited. The raid looked like it was 1121 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,240 going to be good. Like at that point it was the 1122 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,240 first raid, so it was Nurbar Palace, which was a great raid. 1123 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,640 The classes felt great, the the world felt amazing. 1124 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,880 I was just, everything was positive. 1125 01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:31,600 I was very excited. And at the same time point now 1126 01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,720 in this beta cycle, I'm like considering just taking three 1127 01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,960 weeks to play Breath of the Wild and wait and see what happens, 1128 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,640 like. We got to, we got to like record 1129 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,440 that, that as a separate. I love this. 1130 01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,680 I love In the Wild. Yeah, That's a Patreon bonus 1131 01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,080 episode where I tell everyone how it's the most perfect game. 1132 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,680 Yeah, I just, I'm, I have a lot more concerns. 1133 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:56,560 I'm really, genuinely nervous for the first time since I can 1134 01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,400 remember. Yeah. 1135 01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,720 And for the first time since I came back to the game at 8.2. 1136 01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,720 Like Nya Latha was the first rate that I had done. 1137 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,280 I did. I after I scratched it all, I 1138 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:10,240 took a break until Nya Latha and as soon as I did Nialatha once 1139 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,160 on heroic, I immediately went to find a mythic rating Guild and 1140 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,600 never looked back. And this is the first time since 1141 01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:20,200 then that I'm genuinely considering that maybe it's time 1142 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,360 to just take a step back from rating entirely. 1143 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,240 And that because if it's not like it, whether or not the UI 1144 01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,120 can be customized or you know, the, the challenge or any of 1145 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,840 that, if it's, if I'm not having fun, if it's just not fun. 1146 01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,760 And like I said, none of those bosses today stood out to me as 1147 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,520 hey, this is I can't wait to pull this on live. 1148 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,520 None of them did. And even the last PTR cycle, the 1149 01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,360 going into midnight or going into the season 3 Forge Reaver 1150 01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,640 Araz felt like an all time great boss right on the first day of 1151 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,320 testing. Plexus Sentinel was fun as a 1152 01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,200 first boss. And even now today still, I 1153 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:59,200 enjoy pulling after killing him, you know, 16/17/18 times. 1154 01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,720 And even like Lumothar and Soulbinder, well, they weren't 1155 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,080 like, hey, these are amazing bosses. 1156 01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:09,000 They're not. They're there's stuff to do. 1157 01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,000 They're, they engaged me. And I did not feel that at all 1158 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,920 today. I just, and maybe it's because I 1159 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,120 was trying to adjust to the UII just felt like most of today was 1160 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,080 just me being sort of lost in the sauce of what was going on. 1161 01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:22,560 I didn't know the boss mechanic names. 1162 01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,000 I didn't really know what was going on. 1163 01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,120 None of it mattered to me. I don't know. 1164 01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,520 I'm just, I'm really worried and I don't want to be worried 1165 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:33,760 because I love this game and I really want to go to BlizzCon 1166 01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:38,000 and hug a dev and thank them and please let that happen. 1167 01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,080 Otherwise I'm going to buy an Overwatch and she's this new 1168 01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:41,720 Overwatch hero. She looks amazing. 1169 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:43,680 Vendetta. I'm in. 1170 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,440 Anyway, I've definitely had worries. 1171 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,200 They haven't been so focused on such fundamentals before. 1172 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,880 And I think that's that's a scary thing. 1173 01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,160 Like I, I remember about this time in, in the war within, I 1174 01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,720 was just like, I don't know what they're doing with Totemic. 1175 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:04,760 They they're they're not thinking about this. 1176 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,360 And that landed very poorly at first. 1177 01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:12,920 So I'm hoping that this is not the same thing, but we will see, 1178 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,200 I actually think. You being worried makes me more 1179 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,760 worried 'cause you're like the rock, You're like the Blizzard 1180 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,279 rock. You know, you're like, no, 1181 01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:23,600 listen, guys, like you're like, you're just the, you're the, 1182 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,000 you're the Blizzard rock. But now you're like, tonight 1183 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,160 you're like, no, I'm kind of worried. 1184 01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,640 Here's some things that I, I, I didn't like that that I saw and 1185 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,399 I'm a little worried about this. And I'm like, Manny's never 1186 01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:32,920 worried. Manny's usually admonishing us 1187 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,680 for being so alarming. I admonish you for being 1188 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:41,319 alarmist before we get actual things things there. 1189 01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:44,880 I, I, I admonish you for being like, oh, the devs are lying to 1190 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,399 us and they're blowing smoke out of our butts. 1191 01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:49,120 And it's like, OK, well, I guess at that point, why are we even 1192 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,479 having this conversation? But when there's like. 1193 01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:56,319 You, man, it's fun. It's fun to be snarky and it's 1194 01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,960 fun to be like a little bit doomer sometimes. 1195 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,880 And then maybe that's the thing You should have admitted. 1196 01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,120 I shouldn't have admitted on air. 1197 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,520 But we do have more ray testing. There is still time to test more 1198 01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:14,680 dungeons. This week for dungeons, the test 1199 01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,240 for Mythic plus R for Pit of Saron, which I mentioned, 1200 01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:23,120 Skyreach, which I mentioned the seat of the Triumphant and 1201 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,240 Algathar Academy. That's why that was in my head. 1202 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,560 I didn't get to test that myself, but that that's also 1203 01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,960 available for testing. So those are the returning 1204 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,920 dungeons that they would need to adjust. 1205 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,120 So I'm glad that they are putting those through. 1206 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:41,120 And then of course, we've got more ray testing starting 1207 01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:46,319 tomorrow. We will be having another couple 1208 01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:49,720 of bosses tested and we will of course report back to you about 1209 01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,399 that next week. But for those who are wondering 1210 01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:58,480 when we are going to get the midnight a pre pre launch event, 1211 01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,040 they have rescheduled that for Friday. 1212 01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,920 So make sure you are ready. That's going to be Friday, 1213 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:11,480 November 21st at 11 PST. That's 2:00 PM EST, or if you 1214 01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:15,800 are over in jolly old England, that's going to be 7:00 PM for 1215 01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,440 you those. Freaking jerks. 1216 01:10:18,440 --> 01:10:21,400 They schedule it for the one phone call I have at work. 1217 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:26,560 Fast dub fix this. Not that I'd ever play World of 1218 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,960 Warcraft on work hours. Yeah, like Lex would just be 1219 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,240 watching watching videos while diligently working. 1220 01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:40,080 Anyways, again, they did have to cancel this before. 1221 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,760 Hopefully this will work this time. 1222 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,840 All testing is scheduled to change, as we now know for sure. 1223 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:51,960 But I'm looking forward to this. I'm hoping that it's going to be 1224 01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:56,800 something more in the vein of the successes like the legion 1225 01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,880 pre launch event where we got a good amount of story as well as 1226 01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,960 some really cool little events that we got to run around and do 1227 01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:09,440 and less like the well I guess. The shadow lands pre launch 1228 01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:10,880 event was actually pretty decent. 1229 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,080 Just running around 1 area, kill off all the rears to get some 1230 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:19,800 stuff that was like like a nice Easter egg hunt and not like too 1231 01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,880 too much of a headache. And also really good on the 1232 01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,320 experience for alts, people who wanted to level up their alts. 1233 01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:29,840 So I'll give that 1A win. What's a bad one I feel? 1234 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,440 Like the War Within One was bad only because it became the like, 1235 01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:35,960 rinse and repeat. They did that exact same event 1236 01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,200 like 10 times. Like the first time I thought I 1237 01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:40,920 was like, Oh yeah, that's actually kind of cool. 1238 01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:42,960 And then we're at like the anniversary event and they were 1239 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,160 pulling the same thing out. And I'm like, oh, OK, well, I'm 1240 01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,520 kind of. Over it, yeah, yeah, like, and 1241 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,320 the Dragonflight one was basically the same thing except 1242 01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,480 like a pallet swap so that we can have the like what were the 1243 01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:55,080 bad shamans called? The Primalist. 1244 01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,480 We could have the Primalist instead yeah. 1245 01:11:57,480 --> 01:11:58,760 So they've they've kind of gone to that. 1246 01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,120 Well, no more of that again, Blizzard. 1247 01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,720 What is it called? The bad Shaman's Manny? 1248 01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:07,240 What is a good? Shaman. 1249 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:08,400 Exactly. And he's. 1250 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:09,560 A good shaman? They just called the good 1251 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,080 shaman's Manny. There you go. 1252 01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,640 There you go. I mean like good in terms of 1253 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,800 like being a true a true hero, not good in terms of gameplay. 1254 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,440 At that point, I'm a bad shaman. I'm go good with that. 1255 01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,400 Hey, you beat that augmentation Booker today. 1256 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,480 I have a wish it's not going to happen but I have a dream. 1257 01:12:29,480 --> 01:12:31,360 I actually don't even remember if this is a pre patch or just 1258 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,280 like a fun little event. I want another like stupid 1259 01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,560 annoying immersive thing like when we're all turning into 1260 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,720 zombies. I want like a like in world. 1261 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,560 Everyone hates it except it's actually super fun and it's 1262 01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:46,520 insane and nothing makes sense. I want them to break the game. 1263 01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:48,760 I would be. They are, yeah. 1264 01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:55,000 Yeah, it's a it's a new zombie virus that just screws with your 1265 01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,120 UI. But until next time guys, may 1266 01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:59,480 all your hits regrets.